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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: erf on December 28, 2014, 06:45:52 PM
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Hello all
I have been searching the internet to find a place to buy Ponerorchis, but can not find any. Do any of you know where to buy this type of orchids.
I think I will give it a try and grow it together with my Pleiones.
I have managed to find one on Ebay, Ponerorchis graminifolia. Only one for sale, and I would like to try a few more species.
From an article that Paul Cumbleton wrote in the Wisley log, he describe Ponerorchis as difficult to grow, but I will take the challenge. If any of you grow Ponerorchis I would be grateful for any advise on culture.
Thank you in advance for any information
Erling
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Hallo Erling,
I have the same problem: Would like to buy some Ponerorchis but cannot find a source. Paul Christian (rareplants.co.uk) has some in his shop but they are listed "out of stock". That's curious as they are dormant now and it would be the best time for shipping. I have already emailed him (about two weeks ago) but he didn't reply. Will try to phome him tomorrow.
Best regards - Ulrich
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Hello Ulrich
I have this evening found this link to a Dutch dealer. The only problem is, when it comes to paying you can only choose Germany, Luxemburg, France and Austria as delivery address. I have send them an email to hear if it is possible to send to Denmark.
http://www.baldur-nederland.nl/produkt/Orchideen/1594/Vaste+planten/Winterharde+vaste+Planten+A-Z/Orchidee%C3%ABn/Japanse+orchidee%C3%ABn+Ponerorchis+Mix/detail.html (http://www.baldur-nederland.nl/produkt/Orchideen/1594/Vaste+planten/Winterharde+vaste+Planten+A-Z/Orchidee%C3%ABn/Japanse+orchidee%C3%ABn+Ponerorchis+Mix/detail.html)
If you are lucky, please inform me of where you found them.
Regards Erling
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Andrew Bannister at Orchid Alchemy sells Ponerorchis graminifolia on eBay so I assume that is the one which you found. I have never seen any other Ponerorchis species for sale in the UK.
I have about a dozen plants of four different clones, all sitting dryish in moss at the moment, under the bench in a frost free greenhouse. When I see signs of growth I stand the pots in water and feed weakly.
One clone is bulking up nicely, the others make a single replacement tuber, so I think that this must be a genetic thing.
Out of stock at Paul Christian very often means that he had them years ago but has not replaced them. It does mean that his site is a useful reference point as a huge variety of plants are listed, but can be frustrating when you are actually looking to buy things.
Just a thought, two of mine are from Andrew, the others I bought from Wubben orchids at Peterborough Orchid Show, some time ago, but I am sure that he had them at Malvern this year so it may be worth tracking him down.
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Hallo Erling,
yes, some german vendors (Baldur) also sell this mix and I've already tried ordering it. But this was not successful: I received potted plants in early spring but they didn't sprout (? sie trieben nicht aus). The same applied to Habenaria radiata I also ordered. Seems that these sources are not recommendable.
The only Ponerorchis I currently own is from mein-orchideengarten.de. I received it in spring 2013 and it flowered in 2013 and 2014. They write that this is a mix and different variations in color are possible.
I think that vendors being specialised on orchids are more recommendable.
Best regards - Ulrich
BTW: I've also ordered the one being sold at Ebay some days ago.
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Hello ,
I have some Ponerorchis for sale,
regards Peter
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Fraser Thimble Farms Nursery on Saltspring Island, BC, Canada has Ponerorchis graminifolia listed for sale... not sure of the intricacies of shipping to Europe from there.
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Impossibly expensive!
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Hello ,
I have some Ponerorchis for sale,
regards Peter
You have a big list of all plants for sale, Peter! http://www.deplantspecialist.nl (http://www.deplantspecialist.nl)
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Hi Erling,
It might be worth sending an email to Andrew Bannister at Orchid Alchemy to ask for his spring list (sent as a .pdf) as there are is generally much more in his spring and autumn lists than he sells on eBay, and his website does not get updated. The deflasked seedlings of various species I obtained from him the spring have grown well, and there was a nicely spotted form of P. graminfolia amongst them.
I notice that Wubben Orchids also list P. graminfolia at present.
I've been growing mine in a 50:50 mix of perlite and sphagnum (the commercial product Supersphag) which I use for Disas. They are stood in a tray with the Disas in 0.5cm of rainwater during growth, kept drier and cost-free during the winter. My first clone (acquired from Paul Christian several years ago) doubles the number of tubers each year under these conditions.
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I have bought them in the past from Jacques Amand. They are lised on the website.
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I have bought them in the past from Jacques Amand. They are lised on the website.
But are unavailable, as is virtually every other orchid on this site!
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Hi Erling. Wubben have them listed.
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Hello all
As always a very efficient forum. I have now ordered som plants from different places, and I am ready to give Ponerorchis a try. Also thanks for the growing tips. I may turn back to you for more information.
Happy Newyear to all
Kind regards
Erling
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You have a big list of all plants for sale, Peter! http://www.deplantspecialist.nl (http://www.deplantspecialist.nl)
Thanks Maggi,
I do my best!
I have some smaller Ponerorchis for 6.- euro.
;)
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Erling,
I grow mine with the pleiones in the same open compost and growing conditions and they do fine and increase.
Keep dry over winter. They can take several degrees of frost when dormant.
They survived the 2010 winter with no problems.
Water and feed when you see growth in the late spring.
Regards,
David
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I've been growing mine in a 50:50 mix of perlite and sphagnum (the commercial product Supersphag) which I use for Disas. They are stood in a tray with the Disas in 0.5cm of rainwater during growth, kept drier and cost-free during the winter. My first clone (acquired from Paul Christian several years ago) doubles the number of tubers each year under these conditions.
What size pots do you use?
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Andrew Bannister at Orchid Alchemy sells Ponerorchis graminifolia on eBay so I assume that is the one which you found. I have never seen any other Ponerorchis species for sale in the UK.
I bought a couple from him without researching first ::)
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Erling,
I grow mine with the pleiones in the same open compost and growing conditions and they do fine and increase.
Keep dry over winter. They can take several degrees of frost when dormant.
They survived the 2010 winter with no problems.
Water and feed when you see growth in the late spring.
Regards,
David
Hello David
What type of compost do you use for your Pleione. I use only organic material in my Pleione compost.
Regards Erling
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Erling,
I use a mix of NZ sphagnum, perlite and orchid bark.
It is 'springy' and very free draining,
david
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Thank you David, I will give it a try.
Regards Erling
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Hi Erling,
first of all, I wish you and everybody else a HAPPY NEW YEAR and successful growing.
Regarding Ponerorchis graminifolia, I have a few and I grow them together with my winter flowering pleiones, which get slightly higher temperatures than the rest. They get re-potted into pleione compost in January and they seem to like it most of the time.
My treasure is a white variety, of which I have an 8cm potful, and they flowered last year for 3 months. But, generally speaking, the bulbs/corms don't seem to be long lived.
A friend brought 20 for me from Japan at great expense and none of them flowered. I also had some from Jacques Amand, saw them in flower at his nursery and he sold me the pot. They are still going but nothing special. I would really like to have some of the large flowered varieties, with the bold central patch. But that appears to be difficult.
Paul Cumbleton is very good at growing his ponerorchis. On the rare occasions when he gives talks, he shows photographs of his plants in flower, and it inspires me every time to go and look for some more (unfortunately, he doesn't sell his and I can understand why).
Good luck. :)
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Hello Maren
And a Happy NewYear to you and all others as well.
It seems to be a challenge to start growing Ponerorchis, but now I will try. If it trives just half as well as my Pleione, it can not be all bad. I have ordered from Wubben, and from Peter (deplantspecialist) and bought three at Ebay, so now I will have to see what I get. Maybe it is all the same clone, you never know. ??? ;) ;)
Should I get some growing and flowering I wiil post pictures and comments, otherwise "nice try" :'(
Hope you all get a good growing season, and yet again tanks to all for comments and advise.
Regards Erling (thenotyetponerorchisexpert ;D
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One of mine Ponerorchis and a beautiful white form. It flowered past year and I send this picture to the online show
of the AGS. I grow them in forrest ground ( the toplayer) and perlite. On to warm days I put them in the shade.
;)
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Hello Peter
Realy beautiful, so pure white. Thanks for sharing. I like the long spur, both that and the color reminds me of the time I was growing Aerangis, back in the warm orchids days. :)
Regards Erling
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Thanks for the compliment Maren, but I still find Ponerorchis far from easy to grow and several of the nice varieties I had are no longer with me. I grow mine in a mix of equal parts peat, perlite and sand. Otherwise they get the same regime as for my pleiones. Definitely fickle plants!
Paul
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Hello Peter
Realy beautiful, so pure white. Thanks for sharing. I like the long spur, both that and the color reminds me of the time I was growing Aerangis, back in the warm orchids days. :)
Regards Erling
Hello Erling,
I have some 6 or 7 Aerangis species in my LIVING room on a south window. I cover in the warm summer days for the hot sun from13.00hours till about 16.00 hours and gif them every day rain wather. Every once to 2 times a week a feed them. The are all doing perfect. No special treatment.......
The do best on a piece of wood with a little spagnum on there roods.
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What size pots do you use?
The clone that has bulked up is in a 12cm, round, deep pot. The others are still in sqaure 7cm pots until they start to show signs of multiplying.
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Hello
Just found this web page with some insrtruction video from Japan on planting and general culture of Ponerorchis.
http://www.ranyuen.com/en/ponerorchis/ (http://www.ranyuen.com/en/ponerorchis/)
Regards Erling
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Just came across these pictures in my gallery.
1 Ponerorchis graminifolia closeup (I have a terrible feeling that this may be Paul Cumbleton's photo. If so, I apologise, but it is rather lovely, isn't it?)
2 & 3 Ponerorchis graminifolia A friend's plant (no longer with us, the plant, that is, the friend is still there) on a Thames Valley Orchid Society display;
4 Ponerorchis graminifolia tubers (these are the ones I received from Japan that never made it). My fault, no doubt. :(
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Hello Maren
That first picture.... I would not mind have a few tubers of that one. It is realy nice looking. Actualy, it looks like an angle in a very nice dress, seen from behind :D
Erling