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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Diane Whitehead on December 17, 2014, 04:28:53 PM
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If we cross an all-over green with a yellow-marked, might we develop an all-over yellow?
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Diane, if you could find the right parents?!?!?!
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I'm sure it's only a matter of time, Diane. But how long it will take is something I really don't know.
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Dianne & Hagen - Which leads to the starter question: Which yellow snowdrop has the highest percentage of yellow surface area on both inners and outers? Perhaps time for another thread as this one is getting rather long and now off topic....
johnw - close to 2" of rain overnight making for close to 6.5" in a week...........
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I don't know of any with yellow on the outers.
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Which yellow snowdrop has the highest percentage of yellow surface area on both inners and outers? Perhaps time for another thread ....
The two best-publised snowdrops with yellow on the outers are:
G. nivalis 'Ecusson d'Or' which you can see depicted here: http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/nivalis/ecusson_d_or/ecusson_d_or.htm (http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/nivalis/ecusson_d_or/ecusson_d_or.htm) . This was a chance find on a roadside verge (spotted from a moving car!).
G. plicatus 'Golden Fleece' which Joe Sharman achieved by cross-breeding 'Trym' with a yellow snowdrop (over several generations as the first generation were all green). You can see that here http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12420.msg316173#msg316173 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12420.msg316173#msg316173) although the picture only shows the outer petals.
AFAIK those are the only two so far. 'Golden Fleece' wins on the amount of yellow coverage.
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No, I'm wrong; there is another one called 'Golden Chalice' which is similar to 'Golden Fleece' but with a green ovary.
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Colin Mason is auctioning a Galanthus nivalis "Goldcrest" on Ebay at the moment. According to the description, it has yellow tips on the outer segments "if the bulb is left undisturbed": http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Galanthus-nivalis-Goldcrest-Exquisite-Sandersii-gp-snowdrop-/261699873847?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item3cee872c37 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Galanthus-nivalis-Goldcrest-Exquisite-Sandersii-gp-snowdrop-/261699873847?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item3cee872c37)
And there is Gerhard Raschun's Galanthus nivalis "Carinthian Summer": http://www.cypripedium.at/product_27.html (http://www.cypripedium.at/product_27.html)
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If we cross an all-over green with a yellow-marked, might we develop an all-over yellow?
Well here's your starter for ten. Joe crossed Trym with Wendy's Gold and got green seedlings. Those were crossed with another yellow plicate and that made a yellowish Trym...
Now it's down to you ;D
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I remember when there was so much excitement about the price that Ecusson d'Or was fetching - we have many photos of it in the forum - here are a few nice shots, to show what the plant is , for those not sure :
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Hagen's photo
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Ollie Howes' photo, via Mark S.
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from The late Günter Waldorf in 2009- his first flower on this plant
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I remember when there was so much excitement about the price that Ecusson d'Or was fetching
Yes, in fact this is the only one of the snowdrops mentioned that is at all available for purchase. Okay, you can bid for 'Goldcrest' on eBay but it is so rarely offered I suspect it will fetch a lot of money.
Those are lovely pictures of 'Ecusson d'Or', Maggi, but the first time I saw it in reality I was not at all impressed. I presume it is one of those that needs to settle before it looks its best.
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Joe crossed Trym with Wendy's Gold and got green seedlings. Those were crossed with another yellow plicate and that made a yellowish Trym...
... which he has named 'Golden Fleece'.
Also Anne Wright crossed plicatus 'Wendy's Gold' with a yellow nivalis and got a range of yellow hybrids.
So 'Wendy's Gold' x 'Green Tear' and any virescent progeny back-crossed with a yellow snowdrop might do the trick to create a lutescent snowdrop. That's why I think it will happen in time.
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This is Galanthus nivalis 'Ecusson d'or' in my garden last year. It a very good grower for me.
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There are quite a few photos in the Forum where Ecusson d'Or is not showing good yellow outers - the pix here are of more defined examples.
Sadly it seems to me that a lot of snowdrop markings are transient or lacking in all manner of situations :P ::)
N. B. I remind new readers that there are other threads in the forum from previous years on the matter of yellow drops - so do have a good look around via the search button ( fourth from the left in the line of "buttons" near the top of the page) to see what else has been posted.
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My Galanthus elwesii "Carolyn Elwes" has small yellow dots on the outers, too. I made this photo in February 2013.
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Drops with yllow blotches on the outer segments.
Hre is GOLDEN CHALICE.
Breeder is Jörg Lebsa. In my eyes it is not only yllow, it is golden.
Alan, please note, there is a difference betweeen my picture and the picture in the journal "drop Out".
But only one can be the original!!!
And the difference to GOLDEN FLEECE is still bigger.
If we want to speak about galanthus,
all we need are information and knowledge.
An e more or less is not important.
The breeder said
this culticar is part of the inverse poculiform group.
Also in my eyes. Hope you galanthophiles can agree also!
It is a golden beauty.
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'Golden Chalice' does look to be a lovely golden yellow, Hagen. I only have a modest collection of snowdrops myself and before you posted this I had only ever seen a single picture of what was supposed to be 'Golden Chalice' - the one in 'The Drop Out' No. 2 (which I had forgotten about until I looked up 'Golden Fleece' therein). What snowdrop is pictured in 'The Drop Out' if it is not 'Golden Chalice'?
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Alan, at first you should go in contact to the publisher.
He should know what he has offered at the journal.
Second, listen to my little story.
In the beginning there was a little group of seedlings.
Jörg was happy and took pictures of the first flowers.
But the best seedling was not the first flower.....
In "drop Out" you can see one of the first flowers.....
All of our beauties have a little story, have a little soul.
This is the inner life of the our cultivars... and if you could be a good storyteller.............
OK???
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Thanks for that explanation, Hagen. I suspect it's quite a frequent occurrence that where a group of seedlings that are similar but not identical is bred (or discovered) then the 'best' one is named and the others are not publicised so we never know of their existence. I wonder if they are typically destroyed or just confined to some remote corner of the garden/plot?
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I see a new list in the making!!! I thought 'Ecusson d'Or' was the only snowdrop with yellow on the outers, and I feel fortunate to have planted one in September. Now 'Golden Chalice' .... where will this end? Is there another double yellow besides 'Lady Elphinstone'?
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No, not as far as I know and even 'Lady Elphinstone' obeys Maggi's principle of unreliable markings being not always yellow. There are many snowdrop variations that don't seem to exist as doubles; for example I cannot think of a double poculiform snowdrop (although somebody will probably enlighten me).
By the way, most of the names mentioned here are wholly unavailable so for most practical purposed 'Ecusson d'Or' is the only snowdrop with yellow on the outers.
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I'm sure all of the above are being bred somewhere by someone
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Is there another double yellow besides 'Lady Elphinstone'?
I have one with the label G N Netherhall Double Yellow but it has not flowered yet and I know nothing about it. Saw it on Monksilver's table and bought it on impulse.
John(M)
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I found this list of yellow snowdrops on Google, linked to a word doc on SRGC
Galanthus 'Andrew Thorpe' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Anglesey Orange Tip' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Beloglavi' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Belvedere Gold' Gold Group
Galanthus Bill Bishop yellow form Gold Group
Galanthus 'Bill Clark' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Blackthorn' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Blasses Wesen' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Blonde Inge' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Bohemia Gold' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Carolyn Elwes' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Ceri Roberts' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Chadwick's Cream' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Chatton' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Chrome Yellow' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Daglingworth Yellow' = Galanthus 'Ronald Mackenzie' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Daisy Sunshine' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Das Gelbe vom Ei' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Doddington' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Ecusson d'Or' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Elizabeth Harrison' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Elles' = Galanthus 'Elles Dream'? Gold Group
Galanthus 'Elles Dream' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Fiona's Gold' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Flavescens' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Gelbe Marlu' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Gilt Edge' ex Gunter Waldorf Gold Group
Galanthus 'Gold Edge' ex Gunter Waldorf = Galanthus 'Gilt Edge' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Gold Edge' ex Phil Cornish Gold Group
Galanthus 'Goldcrest' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Golden Boy' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Goldmine' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Grakes Gold' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Grakes Yellow' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Green Witch' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Günter's Geist' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Günters Geist' = Galanthus 'Günter's Geist' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Helios' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Honigmund' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Howick Starlight' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Howick Yellow' = Galanthus Gold Group Gold Group
Galanthus 'Ilse Bilse' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Janet Aspland' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Janet's Gold' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Joe's Yellow' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Joy Cozens' Gold Group
Galanthus 'June Boardman' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Karla Tausendshön' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Kristin Meier' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Kullake' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Lady Elphinstone' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Lichtgeel' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Lowick' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Lowick' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Lutescens' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Madelaine' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Madelaine' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Malovše' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Marmin' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Miss Elly' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Netherhall Double Yellow' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Netherhall Yellow' Gold Group
Galanthus neu 3170004 Gold Group
Galanthus 'Nightlight' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Norfolk Blonde' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Ochrospeilus' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Ochrospilus' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Pale Cross' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Pale Face' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Pluto' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Primrose Warburg' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Ray Cobb' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Rheingold' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Robert Wijnen' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Ronald Mackenzie' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Ronald MacKenzie' = Galanthus 'Ronald Mackenzie' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Ruby's Gold' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Rumeni A' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Rumenoglavi' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Sandersii' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Sandersii' ex Davis [excl. synonyms] Gold Group
Galanthus 'Sarah Dumont' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Savill Gold' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Schorbuser Irrlicht' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Senne's Sunrise' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Sharman's Late' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Spetchley Yellow' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Spindlestone Surprise' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Steve's Yellow' Gold Group
Galanthus 'The Whin's Yellow' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Treasure Island' Gold Group
Galanthus Trym yellow form Gold Group
Galanthus 'Utrecht Goud' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Utrecht Lime' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Wandlebury Ring' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Webb's Gold' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Wendy's Gold' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Windesheim' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Windmill' ex vd Kolk nom.illeg Gold Group
Galanthus 'Windsor Yellow' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Wisp' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Woodpeckers' Gold Group
Galanthus 'Yellow Angel' Gold Group
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Is there another double yellow besides 'Lady Elphinstone'?
I have one with the label G N Netherhall Double Yellow but it has not flowered yet and I know nothing about it. Saw it on Monksilver's table and bought it on impulse.
John(M)
please post photos when it blooms, it sounds potentially exciting.
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A new topic began today:
Snowdrops with yellow on the outer petals
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All right - my new project. I'll beg some Rosemary B pollen from a friend and dab it on my several yellows.
Maybe a group of us will do so, and we can trade pollen of our results about 2020?
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I have a picture of a lovely lutesent snowdrop .......sadly it was just sick and didn't live , but I have the picture . I might email it to mag give later so she can make it fit so you can all see it
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I have one with the label G N Netherhall Double Yellow but it has not flowered yet and I know nothing about it.
This must have originated from Timothy Clark who lives at Netherhall Manor in Soham https://www.rhs.org.uk/gardens/GardenDetails?id=61 (https://www.rhs.org.uk/gardens/GardenDetails?id=61) . He has the most fantastic collection of 'historic' plants of many different species. You may have seen Timothy Clark at one of the shows, he is pictured here http://www.newmarketjournal.co.uk/news/latest-news/it-s-a-magical-history-tour-1-5249260 (http://www.newmarketjournal.co.uk/news/latest-news/it-s-a-magical-history-tour-1-5249260) . He also has a single called 'Netherhall Yellow'.