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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Oron Peri on December 04, 2014, 12:51:37 PM
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First C. moabiticus for this seoson and C. hyemalis
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Great plants, Oron ! :o
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Great plants, Oron ! :o
Oh yes , I agree with Luc ! :o
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So many pale beauties, Oron! 8)
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Stunning Crocus Oron!
Last week I saw the first leaves emerge from seed I bought from you last summer. (Hyemalis, allepicus, veneris). I'm very happy with the first results.
I hope to post such beautiful pictures in 3 years :-d
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Excellent crocuses, Oron,
Especially I like moabiticus. It surprisingly well grow with me, too, but not bloomed this autumn. Here started some warming and temperature day and night is around zero after minus 14 C few days ago. Still some flowers are on laevigatus, melantherus, goulimyi, ochroleucus and few others, but generally blooming was less abundant than in other autumns. Some of crocuses even didn't started yet. In same time several spring bloomers showed leaves - as allways between "runners" are michelsonii but especially long leaves has several aquisitions of C. fleischeri and some of so named "biflorus" group - those from low altitudes.
Janis
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Yet another form of Crocus laevigatus is in flower here. The colour is excellent, as good as that of C. 'Fontenayi'. However, I think this may be an even better form, because the flowers have a better shape and don't collapse like C. 'Fontenayi'.
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Oron , your C. moabiticus is a great and rare beauty ! I just hope that it will be on your 'Seeds of Peace ' list next year ? and may it be a peaceful Christmas in Jerusalem this year .
warm regards , Otto.
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Oh yes , I agree with Luc ! :o
Thanks Luc and Kris,
Maggi, in fact this season is particularly good for the white ones, probably due to the fact that they are native to this region and for good conditions they grow in.
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Oron , your C. moabiticus is a great and rare beauty ! I just hope that it will be on your 'Seeds of Peace ' list next year ? and may it be a peaceful Christmas in Jerusalem this year .
warm regards , Otto.
Dear Otto,
I join your wishes for a peaceful Christmas in this region once and for all.
Regarding C. moabiticus, i lost most of my plants two years ago due to excess of water in winter. Still i hope to harvest some seeds this year.
Regards
Oron
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Oron , your C. moabiticus is a great and rare beauty ! I just hope that it will be on your 'Seeds of Peace ' list next year ? and may it be a peaceful Christmas in Jerusalem this year .
warm regards , Otto.
That is such a great thought Otto.
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C. hyemalis
Here it is also a very productive Crocus. One plant is stil flowering and flowers now for the fifth time and I see stil more flowers coming.
I have to grow in pots offcourse.
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Crocus wattiorum .
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Crocus wattiorum .
Kris , i guess photo is taken in its habitat?
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Finally some color today, Crocus cartwrightianus with different color forms
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A nice form of pallasii pallasii from Turkey
C. laevigatus
C. palaestinus ssp hermoneus from Jordan
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Kris , i guess photo is taken in its habitat?
Yes that's right Oron . It was taken in South Turkey last week of november .
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Finally some color today, Crocus cartwrightianus with different color forms
C. cartwrightianus was always one of my favorites ! Great to see them in the ideal situation...
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Crocus wattiorum .
Oh yes- quite the crevice plant! We have a Crocus (pulchellus) hybrid that has seeded itself in the very small gap
( 0.5cm) between two paving slabs on the terrace in our garden. I feel so sorry for the poor thing in such a tight spot!
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I always thought that it would be extremely difficult to collect C.wattiorum in wild. Fortunately I got two different gatherings maid by other travellers, so my plants are genetically different and I'm getting seeds. It is good grower here in pots regardless of low altitudes and mild climate at its homeland.
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Here is my C. wattiorum. It is replaced just outside of my siting room which looks east. It takes only 4 hour sun in the morning between 08-12. It is increased up very good only from a singl corm. It sets also perfectly seeds. The only problem is the frost. It is very sensitive, in few minus degree they can all die! So in snowy time just I take it to inside.
ibrahim
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Several crocus species suffered from frost with me, but never C. wattiorum. My crocus pots almost every winter are frozen hard. I'm covering pots in greenhouses only when temperature inside drops below minus 10 C. So C. wattiorum is exposed to frost with me.
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Wonderful wattiorum Ibrahim !
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Here is my C. wattiorum. It is replaced just outside of my siting room which looks east. It takes only 4 hour sun in the morning between 08-12. It is increased up very good only from a singl corm. It sets also perfectly seeds. The only problem is the frost. It is very sensitive, in few minus degree they can all die! So in snowy time just I take it to inside.
ibrahim
::) Wow , looks very good Ibrahim. The way I like them , very short stems .
Thanks for sharing this information. This is very useful.
I was surprised to see them growing in that much shade in Turkey . Maybe I could post some more pictures of the wild if this is interesting ...
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Several crocus species suffered from frost with me, but never C. wattiorum. My crocus pots almost every winter are frozen hard. I'm covering pots in greenhouses only when temperature inside drops below minus 10 C. So C. wattiorum is exposed to frost with me.
Thanks Janis , very interesting information.
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I always thought that it would be extremely difficult to collect C.wattiorum in wild. Fortunately I got two different gatherings maid by other travellers, so my plants are genetically different and I'm getting seeds. It is good grower here in pots regardless of low altitudes and mild climate at its homeland.
Hello Janis , I bouhgt a corm from you 3 or 4 years ago. First two years it was flowering but now the corms getting smaller and always divide themselves . I think I don't grow them the right way ? As I see them growing in the wild now , I think they are to warm here in summer ? (I grow them in my hot greenhouse )Turkey offcourse is also warm but they grow in so much shade overthere ? Another thing , I see them growing in a very peaty soil or in crevices. A friend of mine added some bark to the substrate.
Maybe I can make myself more clear with more pictures from the wild.
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::) Wow , looks very good Ibrahim. The way I like them , very short stems .
Thanks for sharing this information. This is very useful.
I was surprised to see them growing in that much shade in Turkey . Maybe I could post some more pictures of the wild if this is interesting ...
Oh, yes, please!!
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Kris,
It is always very interesting to see plants from wild.
I don’t have any special advice to your C. wattiorum. Each garden has its own conditions. I think, they don’t like too much watering in winter. If you try from seeds, maybe some seedlings will like your growing way.
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Kris,
It is always very interesting to see plants from wild.
I don’t have any special advice to your C. wattiorum. Each garden has its own conditions. I think, they don’t like too much watering in winter. If you try from seeds, maybe some seedlings will like your growing way.
Ibrahim & Maggi ,
I try to post more pictures of wattiorum from my last trip in Turkey .
Ibrahim ,
Yes I agree , I have a much greater chance to succeed if I can grow them from seed . I had never the opportunity to get some seeds but if I get this chance sooner or later I sure try to grow them from seed. In the meanwhile I enjoy the ones I try to grow from Janis. You're right I think they don't like to much water in combination with lower temperatures . It is always a challenge to grow them well but it is welworth to go for it....
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It seems rather foreign to me for anything to be blooming in December, even if they are in pots. Seems crocus would bloom earlier fall or in spring. I have not tried to grow any in pots, only in the ground and mostly fall blooming species.
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Here is my C. wattiorum.
ibrahim
Ibrahim, that is a super crocus!!
Here are a couple from today
C. longiflorus and a white form of C. hyemalis [no yellow in the throat]
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Kris
I'm growing wattiorum in standart mix - 1 part peat moss + 3 parts coarse sand + dolomite chalk and watering with 0.2% complex fertilizer solution. I'm adding additional peat only for Crocus carpetanus. In summer are kept in same greenhouse where temperature can raise up to + 40 C. It splits, but blooms well and I didn't noted decreasing of corm size. At present I have 5 pots of flowering size + 3 pots with seedlings of various years. They got full sun. May be you need more fertilizer and longer watering to make season longer? We have quite different natural conditions with Holland.
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Kris
I'm growing wattiorum in standart mix - 1 part peat moss + 3 parts coarse sand + dolomite chalk and watering with 0.2% complex fertilizer solution. I'm adding additional peat only for Crocus carpetanus. In summer are kept in same greenhouse where temperature can raise up to + 40 C. It splits, but blooms well and I didn't noted decreasing of corm size. At present I have 5 pots of flowering size + 3 pots with seedlings of various years. They got full sun. May be you need more fertilizer and longer watering to make season longer? We have quite different natural conditions with Holland.
Many thanks for this information Janis . I certainly try to use this information to get a better performance. I surely think that they can use more fertilizer. But as you say , then maybe I have to water them longer .
I am curious about the peat moss , is this the same as "sphagnum" ? Do you have a picture of this moss ?
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As promised to Maggi ;) here my pictures taken in Turkey last week of november ....
It was not easy to find them because this is a rare plant and the flowering season was almost finished. First I did'nt find any plant at "the locus classicus" but after a while I suddenly find one that was just over.
It was growing in a very big gap in a rock between small grasses ....
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The first one is always the most difficult to find ......Suddenly I find some with very fresh flower .
It was growing higher up in a vertical crevice.
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It was amazing to see the way that the flowering stem almost lies down ........
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And higher up more wattiorum stil in flower ...... This time in horizontal crevices ....
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This plant grows on a fantastic place .........
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Only few plants where growing in the soil .........
Hope to give you a good impression of our fantastic Crocus wattiorum ....
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Who would think that these crocus could make a life in such places? ??? Most interesting to see this, Kris, thank you!
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Amazing to see crocus growing in these narrow crevices but it seems they like to grow in this way.
Could it be the key for growing them successful?
Kris, I have the same experience as you. My wattiorum did also split up in many small corms.
Poul
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Great pictures Oron, Ibrahim and Kris! :o
Thanks a lot for sharing them!
Oh yes- quite the crevice plant! We have a Crocus (pulchellus) hybrid that has seeded itself in the very small gap
( 0.5cm) between two paving slabs on the terrace in our garden. I feel so sorry for the poor thing in such a tight spot!
Lost Crocus wattiorum once when I grew it in the open ground, now nearly all Crocus species I grow are in crevices where they respond well, even they cannot be lifted without dismantling the rockery, but so far there is still some space left. Here as example C. cambessedesii (which also grows in crevices in nature).
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Thanks Hans,
Photos a bit dark as it is cloudy today,:
C. graevolens from its south most area of distribution in S. Lebanon.
C. tournfortii - deep color ex. Crete
and two unusual color forms of C. laevigatus, 'John's Yellow' and a creme colored form.
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Phantastic crocuses again, Oron!
Especially this laevigatus - never could image so deep yellow toned, although I saw some yellow shaded, but far from yours.
Janis
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A wonderful array of crocus Oron!
Nice series of Crocus wattiorum Kris!
I'm a bit late but here is my plant (recent light levels here have been atrocious, the flower opened under a small spotlight):
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7574/15818447450_42f1c58713_b.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7465/16003745961_8e8dde8f48_b.jpg)
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Nice pictures everyone!
Cold weather in Belgium but the first (Spring) - winter crocusses show there colours. To cold to open the flowers but the outside is also very beautiful.
Crocus suaveolens 'De Jager'
Crocus leavigatus CEH 613
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A wonderful array of crocus Oron!
Nice series of Crocus wattiorum Kris!
I'm a bit late but here is my plant (recent light levels here have been atrocious, the flower opened under a small spotlight):
Great shots of a great plant Steve ! Worth wile to wait a bit ....... ;)
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Here is my first spring Crocus as usual.
C. demirizianus allways start to flower in the beginning of december with me.
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Quite new to me, Ibrahim !
But it's another topcrocus !!
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Here is my first spring Crocus as usual.
C. demirizianus allways start to flower in the beginning of december with me.
Such a beauty, Ibrahim.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2014Feb061391706509CROCUS_DEMIRIZIANUS.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2014Feb061391706509CROCUS_DEMIRIZIANUS.pdf)
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Instead of horrible frost here came very mild weather. Yesterday was the highest temperature ever registered in 19th December + 9 C. Still some crocuses bloom, but only Crocus tournefourtii keeps flowers open. Surprisingly long and late is blooming of some Crocus niveus stocks. For Crocus laevigatus late blooming is usual and there are forms blooming in spring, too. Strange looks crocus received from Jim Archibald as C. cartwrightianus var. creticus. By B. Mathew it is worth of greater attention about its status.
But great attention must be given to all autumn blooming crocuses. Mild, dark and wet weather conditions are the best for Penicillium and Fusarium. So carefully must be removed all last flowers. Sometimes flower you take off, but flower tube remain attached (especially with C. goulimyi) and it is spot where start infection. Sometimes even cataphylls must be checked. Several species from C. speciosus group push shoots with leaf tips out of soil late autumn. Cataphylls of those quite often got penicillium infection. Sometimes species from C. pallasii group forms long cataphyll tube, not allowing for leaves to spread. In case of C. speciosus s.l. and C. pallasi s.l. (and others, too) I’m taking leaf tips by fingers and pushing them to sides and cataphyll tube then is splitting. More air allows quicker drying and infected parts of cataphylls can be removed. On attached picture you can see cataphylls lying down and with black spots of starting penicillium infection (right top corner). As secondary infection came Fusarium nivale. They all must be removed and I recommend in first sunny day to spray autumn crocuses with some fungicide used on golf-courses against Fusarium nivale.
Janis
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Here is C. cartwightianus var. creticus, usually flowers later than the common variety.
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Crocus laevigatus pumilus
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Super flowers from Oron and Yann - here we are troubled, as is Janis, about the problems of rot and moulds http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Dec101418207903BULB_LOG_5014.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Dec101418207903BULB_LOG_5014.pdf)
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Great to see these wonderful Crocus so late in the season Yann, Oron and Janis !! :D
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Merry Christmas!
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This morning a gift was waiting for me.
Crocus reticulatus ssp hittiticus
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This morning a gift was waiting for me.
Crocus reticulatus ssp hittiticus
Now Crocus hittiticus!
Janis
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I will put my photos of hitticus when I return from sunny Spain - you can't beat Christmas lunch on the beach.
Found I had loaded a spent battery rather than a full battery so no pictures.
Have both striped and stippled hitticus
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Yes Janis, following Baytop and ipni records.
Arthur: lucky man ;)
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This morning a gift was waiting for me.
Crocus reticulatus ssp hittiticus
We seem to have had the same Santa visiting us, Yann :o ;)
Crocus hittiticus in flower on Christmas Day !
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héhé ;D
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We seem to have had the same Santa visiting us, Yann :o ;)
Crocus hittiticus in flower on Christmas Day !
Early spring, Luc and Yann. Another lovely species with black anthers. Santa seems to have forgotten about me. My C. hittiticus is way behind.
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Early spring, Luc and Yann. Another lovely species with black anthers. Santa seems to have forgotten about me. My C. hittiticus is way behind.
Here it is also way behind Cyril .Luc lives at the Flemish riviera.............
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;D ;D ;)
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Today it's not the riviera climate but more Ural one
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One from the very start of December:
Crocus biflorus melantherus
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7570/15944912889_697f710d98_o.jpg)
And one currently in flower:
Crocus imperatii suaveolens
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7478/16105203496_17a311c337_o.jpg)
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Both stunning 8)
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One from the very start of December:
Crocus biflorus melantherus
And one currently in flower:
Crocus imperatii suaveolens
And there we have, in two "simple" photos, just why it's such a joy to be a croconut!
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Great shots of two beautiful crocus Steve. You are way ahead with the Crocus imperati. Here nothing is moving with the severe cold spell we are getting.
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Well not exactly December but a pic of C. boryi that may be of interest. A friend shot it in Greece late October/ early November this year. The photo arrived with her Christmas greeting!
"Old Olive Grove West of Gythio - 36 - Crocus boryi with characteristic white anthers"
johnw
+8c, raining, foggy.