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Title: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: ArnoldT on November 30, 2014, 01:14:36 AM
Narcissus cantabricus subsp. cantabricus foliosus

Flowered last year Dec. 3.
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on December 01, 2014, 03:59:51 PM
Perhaps Maggi would be able to amend this title please to "Nov/Dec 2014" it would be a pity to start a new thread and abandon one with only one post in it.

Slow going in the greenhouse but here's a slightly ragged Narcissus ex Nylon Group, from seed sown September 2009 (SRGC 08/9-2456)
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on December 01, 2014, 04:08:18 PM
Here you go, David. 
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on December 01, 2014, 06:04:47 PM
Cheers Maggi.
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Matt T on December 05, 2014, 01:33:34 PM
Despite the cold grey weather a good number of Narcissus are in flower here now.

N. 'Treble Chance' is new this year and I'm very impressed with it. It looks great next to this Crocus laevigatus 'Fontenayi', a happy accident. A selection from the same collection as 'Julia Jane' JCA 805, which has also started to bloom.

N. albidus SF110 in purest white.

And N. cantabricus subsp. tananicus, which open a creamy colour and fade to what to the eye is an off-white shade. The taxonomy of these hoops is certainly confusing.

I'm too ashamed to show N. 'Craigton Chorister' because it's one that was attacked by that pesky slug  :-[ Why do they always go for the choicest treasures??

Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Matt T on December 05, 2014, 01:49:46 PM
N. 'Craigton Clumper' is looking a bit deformed because a leaf was lying across the bloom, but it has good form nonetheless and plenty more buds are on the way.

The first flower on N. 'Julia Jane' is untypical, trumpet shaped instead of being petunioid and a bit small. It doesn't look like it will open any further. All these bulbs flowered last year and the blooms were all 'normal'. I suspect that I was a bit conservative with the watering last year, so maybe the bud didn't form properly. We'll see what the rest look like.

Just waiting for a bit of warmth to open, I've never had N. jonquilla so early.
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on December 05, 2014, 03:00:52 PM
We've been admiring a lovely Narcissus 'Golden Mary '  - but it's not flowering here now, it's a photo on a super card  from Matt and Patrick :) ;D   Thanks, Guys!
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: YT on December 07, 2014, 05:20:23 AM
N. ‘Kôhô/Ôhô (黄宝)’. It's the first petticoat flower on my bench of this season :)
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Matt T on December 07, 2014, 08:12:31 AM
We've been admiring a lovely Narcissus 'Golden Mary '  - but it's not flowering here now, it's a photo on a super card  from Matt and Patrick :) ;D   Thanks, Guys!

Super organised with the post this year. Glad you like it  :-*
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: ikizzeki on December 07, 2014, 03:36:48 PM
Hi you all masters.
 I made a mistake and didnt order N.dubius seeds,SRGC 68th seed distribution list no 5274 which is donated by Mr.Y.Dubois. Now I dont know how to solve it.
I also want to get
N.tazetta subsp. aureus
N.tazetta subsp. lacticolor
N.tazetta subsp. ochroleucus, tiny bulblets much appreciated.

Sorry for posting here but I beleive if I post these to ''Seed wanted'' most probably there would not pay attention.
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: YT on December 10, 2014, 06:36:28 AM
Today's Narcissus cantabricus var. foliosus. Usually this is the earliest blooming petticoat here but the yellow one I previously posted was the earliest this season.
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Matt T on December 10, 2014, 08:21:36 AM
Looking good, Tatsuo. I just love these Bulbocodiums in all their variety.

What's the background to N. ‘Kôhô/Ôhô (黄宝)’? Is there a Japanese hybridisation programme going on that the wider World doesn't yet and should know about?
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: YT on December 10, 2014, 10:16:07 AM
Thank you, Matt :)

I'm hoping I get your meaning right and reply... The background of N. ‘Koho’ is uncertain, unfortunately. It's an unregistered variety to The International Daffodil Register and named by an alpine nursery in Japan, The Alpine Garden YAMAKUSA. According to the nursery owner, the seeds were from an alpine plants society’s seed exchange and labelled as something mysterious ‘Narcissus cantabricus conspicuus’. The seedlings’ flowers varied in colour and blooming time, then a plant with relatively early blooming deeper yellow flower was selected and named. I feel some N. bulbocodium influence from it (long, upright and glossy leaves and relatively shorter stamens) so perhaps a hybrid origin with N. bulbocodium and N. cantabricus.

The daffodils in Bulbocodium Section are minor plants in Japan. There are a few alpine/bulb nurseries breeding actively with small narcissus (as owner’s hobby) but they don’t look being interested in registering names and vegetative propagation to sell them. I only know 1 nursery to sell its original breeding narcissus commercially in Japan (below).

KOMORIYA Nursery
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/komoriya-nursery/c/0000000173/ (http://item.rakuten.co.jp/komoriya-nursery/c/0000000173/)
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/komoriya-nursery/c/0000000192/ (http://item.rakuten.co.jp/komoriya-nursery/c/0000000192/)
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Roma on December 15, 2014, 01:01:06 PM
A few more narcissi flowering here but lots of buds showing

Narcissus 'Atlas Gold' x albidus SF110 (from Anne W)
Narcissus albidus foliosus
Narcissus obtained as 'Joy Bishop' but obviously not 
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: ArnoldT on December 17, 2014, 01:39:46 PM
Narcissus cantabricus "Peppermint".
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Matt T on December 17, 2014, 02:07:57 PM
A couple more early blooms are out here, but lots more buds are showing so there is lots to look forward to in January.

The precocious jonquil is fully open now and the scent from just this single bloom is powerful.

I have a new obsession. I love all the Section Bulbocodium plants, but Narcissus hedraeanthus (ex Cazorla) is a darling! Most of the texts I have are quite disparaging when dealing with this species and I have to say that they are all wrong. A more perfect plant I could not wish for! Having said that, I have been dabbing pollen from another species onto that stigma to see if we get some interesting hybrids  :)
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Matt T on December 17, 2014, 02:15:16 PM
Thank you, Matt :)

I'm hoping I get your meaning right and reply... The background of N. ‘Koho’ is uncertain, unfortunately. It's an unregistered variety to The International Daffodil Register and named by an alpine nursery in Japan, The Alpine Garden YAMAKUSA. According to the nursery owner, the seeds were from an alpine plants society’s seed exchange and labelled as something mysterious ‘Narcissus cantabricus conspicuus’. The seedlings’ flowers varied in colour and blooming time, then a plant with relatively early blooming deeper yellow flower was selected and named. I feel some N. bulbocodium influence from it (long, upright and glossy leaves and relatively shorter stamens) so perhaps a hybrid origin with N. bulbocodium and N. cantabricus.

The daffodils in Bulbocodium Section are minor plants in Japan. There are a few alpine/bulb nurseries breeding actively with small narcissus (as owner’s hobby) but they don’t look being interested in registering names and vegetative propagation to sell them. I only know 1 nursery to sell its original breeding narcissus commercially in Japan (below).

KOMORIYA Nursery
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/komoriya-nursery/c/0000000173/ (http://item.rakuten.co.jp/komoriya-nursery/c/0000000173/)
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/komoriya-nursery/c/0000000192/ (http://item.rakuten.co.jp/komoriya-nursery/c/0000000192/)

You got my meaning exactly Tatsuo. Thanks for your reply.

‘Narcissus cantabricus conspicuus’ is certainly confused naming!  ;D It's look more likely to be N. bulbocodium conspicuus and someone got confused with the name on the packet.

There's so much scope for interesting work with Bulbocodium hybrids. Some people are creating some good plants in this Section, but they are too few and far between. Given how easy the Bulbos are to cross-pollinate and grow from seed and what excellent show and garden plants they make, it would be good to see more hybrids.
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: annew on December 17, 2014, 09:57:38 PM
Your wish is my command! Some rolled-back hoops from me and 'Lemon Flare' from Brian Duncan. The Narcissus romieuxii var zaianicus M168 has been out for a few weeks and is almost over now.
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: YT on December 18, 2014, 06:59:37 AM
It's look more likely to be N. bulbocodium conspicuus and someone got confused with the name on the packet.

Yes, Matt. But it has a cantabricus like scent.

Your wish is my command!

My wish is your  rolled-back hoop in the first pic :P
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Yann on December 20, 2014, 01:46:01 PM
Narcissus albidus SF110 x bulbocodium praecox Moulay Brahim
Narcissus romieuxii var zaianicus
Narcissus cantabricus ssp cantabricus
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: annew on December 20, 2014, 10:15:23 PM
They look happy with you, Yann!
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: mark smyth on December 20, 2014, 11:22:11 PM
One of my Craigton Clumpers has petaloid stamens. Is this normal? Has one got too many stamens?
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Yann on December 21, 2014, 08:44:01 AM
Anne : Yes, it's Christmas in the greenhouse  ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: ArnoldT on December 21, 2014, 07:44:39 PM
Here's an unnamed Narcissus from the PBS exchange.  Described below:

Narcissus mixed seedlings
These date back to a mass sowing in 2004 of seed from moderately
controlled crosses of romieuxii, cantabricus, albidus, zaianicus, and
similar early blooming sorts of the bulbocodium group. Colors tend to be
light yellow through cream to white, and flowers are large, much larger
than the little gold colored bulbocodiums of spring. These have been
selected three times, and the keepers are choice.

Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: YT on December 24, 2014, 11:21:07 AM
Narcissus ‘Hatsuyuki’ from the Komoriya nursery.
Compare flower size and height to N. cantabricus var. foliosus (left) in the second picture.

Happy Christmas ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: Matt T on December 28, 2014, 01:24:09 PM
Caught just before I left Benbecula for Christmas travels, Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 'Atlas Gold'. A nice contrast to the usual, paler yellow selections of N. romieuxii.
Title: Re: Narcissus November/December 2014
Post by: ashley on December 28, 2014, 02:00:51 PM
Very nice Matt, and a week or two earlier than here.
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