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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: emma T on November 13, 2014, 05:42:23 PM
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I got asked by head gardener here if anyone actually grows this other than Kew Gardens ?
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JOSEF JURÁŠEK was advertising seeds.
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I think Emma wanted to know about Galanthus trojanus?
I think Steve, you have posted a picture of Galanthus Trojan which is different plant..large flowered and strong growing.
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Hi Anthony do you have any contact details for Josef? I wouldn't mind getting some of those seeds if he has any left?
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Here's a link. http://zahradnictvi-svjan.cz/prodej_semen.html (http://zahradnictvi-svjan.cz/prodej_semen.html) Galanthus trojanus doesn't appear on his current list.
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I think Steve, you have posted a picture of Galanthus Trojan which is different plant..large flowered and strong growing.
Well they all do look the same...... don't they ;D
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Wash your mouth out David :)
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I am now a bit confused
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I grow G. trojanus already within 7 years, true wild plants obtained from Janis and from Hendrik...
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I am now a bit confused
David was only kidding. They don't all look the same.
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;D ;D ;D
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Galanthus trojanus is in Vojtec Holubec's seed list. Maggi posted a link in the 'Grow from seed' thread.
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Loverly plants Dimitri
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I think Emma was confused because Anthony said that Josef was selling Trojanus seeds, then he said they are not on his current list? Is that right Emma? It confused me anyway :) I have just had a look at Vojtec Holubec's seed list Roma he has trojanus as you said but also Galanthus koenenianus, I would love to send off for these but he has a minimum of 25.00 euro if you want to order and i'm near the top of my plant budget >:( oh well.
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No confused that Steve took his photo down , was it trojanus or "Trojan" ? Is it the same thing ? . Good to know it's out there . Will try and track down seed or a bulb for work
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There has been confusion in the past about Galanthus trojanus and Galanthus 'Trojan' - Oakwood showed Galanthus trojanus on the previos page of this thread and here is the link to a photo of G. 'Trojan' on Mark's snowdrop gallery : http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20trojan.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20trojan.html)
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Calling a snowdrop 'Trojan' when there is a species trojanus is almost as confusing as calling two snowdrops 'Ruby Baker'. Or was it the other way around and 'Trojan' came first?
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Galanthus trojanus A.P.Davis & Özhatay original publication details: Bot. J. Linn. Soc. 137: 409 2001.
Kew Herbarium specimen shows seed was collected in 1997 and at first wasdifficult to properly identify....
http://citesbulbs.myspecies.info/sites/citesbulbs.myspecies.info/files/Davis%20%26%20Ozhatay%202001.pdf (http://citesbulbs.myspecies.info/sites/citesbulbs.myspecies.info/files/Davis%20%26%20Ozhatay%202001.pdf)
"We have, given this new Galanthus the name G.trojanus, after the ancient region of Troad in north- western Turkey, which included within it the city of Troy. "
-but I know nothing of the cultivar 'Trojan'
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There has been confusion in the past about Galanthus trojanus and Galanthus 'Trojan' - Oakwood showed Galanthus trojanus on the previos page of this thread and here is the link to a photo of G. 'Trojan' on Mark's snowdrop gallery : http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20trojan.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20trojan.html)
I didn't know I had a photo of 'Trojan'. I'll look it up and see where I took it - if I did
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Taken in Feb 2011 during the Galanthus Gala weekend
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I didn't know I had a photo of 'Trojan'. I'll look it up and see where I took it - if I did
Well, in 2012 you said in the forum that you'd seen the plant and photographed it with the name 'Trojan' : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8500.msg230012#msg230012 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8500.msg230012#msg230012) in response to Hans J. in the previous post in that thread.
Steve O. showed a photo of Trojan in this thread- which he has since removed. In 2012 he wrote that he grew the plant which he didn't think had anything to do with G. trojanus : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8282.msg225030#msg225030 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8282.msg225030#msg225030)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8282.msg225030#msg225030 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8282.msg225030#msg225030)
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Seems a "Trojan" has infected the trojanus thread. ;D
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I will just get some seed of trojanus
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If you watch Antiques Roadshow, the experts like to refer to the provenance of an antique but when it comes to snowdrops we don't seem to care so much about provenance. I think we should. It seems that Galathus 'Trojan' was sold by an unidentified vendor at the Galanthus Gala in 2011 (and Steve Owen bought one). We know so little about it that it seems quite likely that it originates from that vendor. If it has never been "written-up" to formalise the name then it would not be a bad idea to change it to avoid confusion with the species trojanus. Perhaps 'Warrior' would be an apt substitution for 'Trojan'? Not that it looks very remarkable in Mark's photograph http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20trojan.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20trojan.html) - perhaps it's large?
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It seems that Galathus 'Trojan' was sold by an unidentified vendor at the Galanthus Gala in 2011 (and Steve Owen bought one). We know so little about it that it seems quite likely that it originates from that vendor. If it has never been "written-up" to formalise the name then it would not be a bad idea to change it to avoid confusion with the species trojanus. Perhaps 'Warrior' would be an apt substitution for 'Trojan'?
I happened to mention this thread to Richard Bashford this morning and, as it turns out 'Trojan' was on of his own selections 'early on' chosen for its bulk and ability to increase and make a show in the 'S. Arnott' vein of things. Visitors to the garden admired the clone and it were given bulbs. At some point the name 'Trojan' was attached inspired by the phrase 'works like a Trojan' in the context of its value as a good garden plant. Its has nothing to do with G. trojanus and TBH I don't see a problem with both names being in use at the same. But I imagine its originator might be a bit miffed at someone suggesting alternative names for his snowdrop without first asking him!
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Hi Emma have you seen my previous post about trojanus seeds and who is selling them?
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Hi Emma have you seen my previous post about trojanus seeds and who is selling them?
I have , thank you .
My boss might be buying them for his collection 8)
I love my job ;D
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It seems that Galathus 'Trojan' was sold by an unidentified vendor at the Galanthus Gala in 2011 (and Steve Owen bought one). We know so little about it that it seems quite likely that it originates from that vendor. If it has never been "written-up" to formalise the name then it would not be a bad idea to change it to avoid confusion with the species trojanus. Perhaps 'Warrior' would be an apt substitution for 'Trojan'?
I happened to mention this thread to Richard Bashford this morning and, as it turns out 'Trojan' was on of his own selections 'early on' chosen for its bulk and ability to increase and make a show in the 'S. Arnott' vein of things. Visitors to the garden admired the clone and it were given bulbs. At some point the name 'Trojan' was attached inspired by the phrase 'works like a Trojan' in the context of its value as a good garden plant. Its has nothing to do with G. trojanus and TBH I don't see a problem with both names being in use at the same. But I imagine its originator might be a bit miffed at someone suggesting alternative names for his snowdrop without first asking him!
Thank you Matt for the history of 'Trojan'
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I have to admit I agree with Matt, why would anyone confuse the names - they are quite distinct...unlike the Ruby Bakers.
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I have to admit I agree with Matt, why would anyone confuse the names - they are quite distinct...unlike the Ruby Bakers.
Well it has happened on this thread .
I have never seen either plant in the flesh (well not that I remember ) so I don't know how much the resemble each other .
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Well it has happened on this thread .
I have never seen either plant in the flesh (well not that I remember ) so I don't know how much the resemble each other .
Surely a minor error on Steve's part though - probably done in haste. I meant the names being distinct Emma, like you I don't recall seeing them.
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I guess it depends on how you write your labels and how deep you stick them in the ground ;D
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I guess it depends on how you write your labels and how deep you stick them in the ground ;D
Good point Emma ;D
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...TBH I don't see a problem with both names being in use at the same. But I imagine its originator might be a bit miffed at someone suggesting alternative names for his snowdrop without first asking him!
Sorry, I did not intend to 'miff' Richard Bashford (or anybody else had it been anybody else's snowdrop). I was only being fanciful with my suggested alternatives and trying to tease-out why 'Trojan' was so-named. And it sounds as if the use of that name could pre-date the naming of the species trojanus.
I see a bit of a problem with confusing 'Trojan' with trojanus because the names are similar. After all, you would surely resist the naming of a Galanthus nivalis 'Elwes' or a plicatus 'Woronow'?
I once had an ambition to find a novel snowdrop and name it 'A cushioned oar' but that is definitely not allowed!
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It shows the reasoning for the use of trojanus quite clearly in the paper to which I gave the link: because of the area where it was found Troy has been latinised to trojanus .
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Oh, for heaven's sake Alan,
I am AM partially sighted and even I, with my tunnel vision, can make out the difference between 'Trojan' and trojanus. To not see That difference, to my mind, required a determined effort, on the part of the viewer.
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Okay Matt, I'm not trying to raise this as some terrible issue that needs to be addressed; I just thought it unfortunate that the names were similar. Perhaps I'm compensating for the current paucity of actual snowdrops to see by making mountains out of molehills?
I was going to ask Maggi about Scots Pine vs. Edinburgh Pine but I think I'd better shut up.
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Perhaps I'm compensating for the current paucity of actual snowdrops to see by making mountains out of molehills?
You'd better buy 'Advent' next season to compensate ;)
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Yawn, yawn....... it's nearly Primula time. Why is it that such pretty little white flowers (with green bits) so often have the capacity to produce abject boredom ???
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You'd better buy 'Advent' next season to compensate ;)
If it's available (and doesn't cost an arm and a leg) then I would love to get hold of it. I'm concentrating on early-flowering snowdrops at the moment.
David, you're bored; I'm not. And my primulas have been producing the odd flower for some weeks now.
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Each to there own david, some people might find primula's boring, not me I might add, I like them as much as galanthus.
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I should have qualified it, plants, being inaminate objects (except perhaps to Prince Charles) are unable to cause abject boredom but ............ :D
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Hi Emma have you seen my previous post about trojanus seeds and who is selling them?
Big boss man will love that list apparently
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There were two galanthus species seed trojanus & kemulariae offered, two species I don't have, but I'm not forking out Ł25.00 for other seeds I don't want, pity though.
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Looks like the answer to the original question is a big no. :-\
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I intend to try and change that ;D
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I intend to try and change that ;D
;D ;D ;D
Did you get a reply from Vojtec Holubec?
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Looks like the answer to the original question is a big no. :-\
No - Dima has it and others are growing it from seed...... that's what I read in the answers and searching the forum for other mentions of the plant, anyway.
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Quite so Maggi. ;)
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;D ;D ;D
Did you get a reply from Vojtec Holubec?
I understand that he hardly ever answers emails, but orders come when they are ready, so no worries. I also ordered snowdrop seeds from him and I hope they arrive sometime in December. :)
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No - Dima has it and others are growing it from seed...... that's what I read in the answers and searching the forum for other mentions of the plant, anyway.
you're right, Maggi, there is no alternative, I meant wild growing species G. trojanus from the Trojanus clade, not any other species cultivar....
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How long would it take to flower from seed?
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Presumably the same as other Galanthus species, 3-5 years depending on conditions.
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I have a flower bud on a plant grown from seed sent by Josef Jurasek, sown in January 2012, that I'm hopeful of.