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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Hagen Engelmann on October 31, 2014, 11:29:07 PM
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No BARNES no SHEDS AND OUTHOUSES
but BUDENZAUBER.
I hope, I do not bore you again with these green snowdrops.
No better plants here in the moment…..
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Hagen
Never bored by your snowdrops. Another beauty :)
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but BUDENZAUBER.
A snowdrop with such prominent green tips is a great addition to the 'earlies'. 'Zauber' means 'magic', I think, but I cannot translate 'buden' unless you gave us a clue and it means something like 'sheds or outhouses'. So would the name translate into English as 'Magic Sheds'? Like 'Sheds and Outhouses' (which also has green tips; see http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8170.msg221809#msg221809 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8170.msg221809#msg221809) for example) but greener and is it earlier too?
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Think Hagen is having a joke with us.....................no barns,sheds and outhouses
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I hope, I do not bore you again with these green snowdrops.
No better plants here in the moment…..
As if we would be bored Hagen ::) No need for any better plants if you have this one ;D
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Budenzauber is an old German idiom and has several meanings.
1. all activities you make for a fine party inside
2. an accumulation of small huts in the background of the garden, not even tastefully.
This snowdrop will create his own magic, when growing inside. And stands in tradition to BARNS and SHEDS AND OUTHOUSES, all are autumn Gem's with a name of buildings, isn't so?
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Yes Alan, it is a good addition to the "earlies", I hope so.
Chas, no joke. Here is the first of November, not the first of April. But GREEN JOKE could be a fine name. Please reserve it for me ;)
Brian, the better thing is always the enemy of the good thing. Someday there will come the next.
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Wonderful snowdrop Hagen :o, very nice green markings.
Not as beautiful as Hagen's snowdrop, but some more in flower in the garden;
Faringdon Double
Autumn Beauty
Dorothy Foreman
Butterflies still going on with this kind of weather
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Dear all,
After being a lurker for several years, I have finally decided to register and join this highly informative forum. My name is Sven, 37 years old and I live in the Netherlands. I hope to learn here and gain new contacts. And maybe I will be able to contribute to the discussions once in a while.
Although I do my utmost to combine the two, I must say I am more of a plant collector than a gardener. I am interested in a lot of different plants: snowdrops, aroids, (half-)hardy orchids, paeonia, to name a few.
About the snowdrops: I got hooked on this genus about 7 years ago. Wondering what all the fuss was about, I read Van Dijk and Van der Kolk’s book “Sneeuwklokjes”. I now have a small, but growing collection. Because I was restricted by the size of my city garden, I had to be selective and so I only grow snowdrops that in my opinion are outstanding, instantely recognisable (I know that this is discutable…). Luckely, I recentely managed to obtain some more gardening space.
Finally I hope that I can also show you some snowdrop pictures during this season that you will like. To kick off:
Picture 1: Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp. reginae-olgae “Pink Panther”. This snowdrop has a pinkish glow that is very difficult for me (my camera) to catch on photo. It was in flower in September already;
Picture 2: Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp. reginae-olgae “Ruby Baker”. Mine has good green outers this year. Unfortunately some slug liked it, too…
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Hi, Sven. I believe we know each other already. But maybe I am wrong?
Anyway, welcome on this forum. This the place to be for you, I am sure.
Lina.
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Hi, Sven. I believe we know each other already. But maybe I am wrong?
Yes, it's me... ;) Thanks for your welcome!
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Hello
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Welcome here, SNOWCLOCK. It is a good place to enjoy all things about galanthus.
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a warm Welcome to you, Seven :)
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Hello and welcome!! :D
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Good to see you here to Sven! Looking forward to see pictures of you're nice collection snowdrops!
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Luckely, I recentely managed to obtain some more gardening space.
Welcome Sven! You of course realize this new space means you have officially entered the most serious phase of this snowdrop disease..... ;)
johnw
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Welcome to the forum Sven, it is good to have you on the forum. Looking forward to your postings ;)
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Hi I wonder if I could have the opinion of the other galanthophiles on here please, I was on ebay today & I was browsing through the snowdrops section. There were two snowdrops on the buy it now option Galanthus E.A.Bowles & Galanthus nivalis Berthille one bulb for each. The sums wanted are in three figures, what I would like to know is are these prices the norm for these two snowdrops? The most I have paid for snowdrops is £20.00 including P&P from the continent which I though was very good, if I forked out as much as the two sellers are wanting I would be in big trouble. I haven't the figures in this post as I didn't know if it was ok or not.
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It would be surprising to see many of 'Berthille' on ebay - she has scarcely been released as yet- see this thread http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11041.msg287924#msg287924 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11041.msg287924#msg287924)
You can also see more about 'Berthille' here: http://le-jardin-de-berthille.over-blog.com/article-une-fabuleuse-aventure-1-122489581.html (http://le-jardin-de-berthille.over-blog.com/article-une-fabuleuse-aventure-1-122489581.html) where we see that only a very few have been sold .
When buying on ebay it is always a good idea to check if the seller is using a photo of their own plant or one taken from elsewhere - too many here have found that a person selling without h their own photos is not selling the true plant.
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I paid £60.00 for E A Bowles from very reputable reputable sellers.
I think it will be on sale again at the Myddleton House Snowdrop meet in January.
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Excellent point, Art - and you could see what you were getting, too!
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This year all my cultivars with green tips show an intensive green color.
And some "normal" ones also have a hint of green. Here starts G cilicicus.
Why it is so?
Any idea?
Who made also this experience?
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It is 'normal' for the rarest and most desirable snowdrops to fetch prices in excess of £100 (although this must be a manifestation of a collective madness amongst some galanthophiles).
I paid £60.00 for E A Bowles from very reputable reputable sellers.
That was definitely the going rate last year (down from £120 a year or two ago). If you cannot get to a snowdrop event, the "consortium" of which I am a part plan to auction one or two of our surplus stock of 'E.A. Bowles' on eBay in 2015 (if and) when they are in flower and can be photographed.
If you buy a plant that is only distinguishable by its flower and you buy it out-of-flower then you need to be completely confident of the reputation of the seller. eBay does not understand the concept of a 'fake' that can only be identified as such long after the time of purchase and is not very helpful under those circumstances.
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Galanthus cilicicus in flower and just like Hagen's it has green tips this year, last year there was a small green mark but this year they are more pronounced.
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Welcome to the forum Sven, a shame that your camera does not do justice to 'Pink Panther' but Joe does say it is very difficult to photograph, perhaps it needs a bit of afternoon sun on it ;)
John, there are not many 'Berthille' in the country yet, and the only way this would be true (and it is quite possible) is if it came as a good flowering bulb with side bulbs on it. That way the seller could be using one of the bulbs this year to recoup some of the expense. Mine came with a small secondary bulb but I have not looked to see if it is still happy - fingers crossed it is :)
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Welcome to the forum Sven..................a little late I think apologies
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Welcome to the forum Sven, a shame that your camera does not do justice to 'Pink Panther' but Joe does say it is very difficult to photograph, perhaps it needs a bit of afternoon sun on it ;)
I think seeing colours that cannot be photographed is probably a manifestation of some sort of mass hysteria - 'galanthomania' if you will. But let me offer Sven a belated welcome to the forum.
John, there are not many 'Berthille' in the country yet, and the only way this would be true (and it is quite possible) is if it came as a good flowering bulb with side bulbs on it. That way the seller could be using one of the bulbs this year to recoup some of the expense.
However the seller on eBay did not use their own photograph but one that appears on the jardin-de-berthille web site and that always sets alarm bells ringing in my ears.
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Welcome Sven. I enjoyed your photos and will look forward to seeing more along the way.
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When buying on ebay it is always a good idea to check if the seller is using a photo of their own plant or one taken from elsewhere
Last week a seller was using my photos to sell about half of what he had for sale. If a seller can sell a snowdrop s/he must have photos no matter how bad
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However the seller on eBay did not use their own photograph but one that appears on the jardin-de-berthille web site and that always sets alarm bells ringing in my ears.
The seller on Ebay is "zorija" from Blackburn, Lancs. According to Ebay this seller has bought items from Matt Bishop recently, so presumably Matt knows his/her identity.
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I think this may be the forumist "zorija" - so he could comment if he wished.
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Sven,
Good to "see" you here
(how are my bulbs doing?)
Loes
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Sorry, I've come in a bit late on this one.
Is it the authenticity or the price that is at question here? Or another...
Edit : a) On reflection the photograph should not have been used and it should have been sold as a blank canvass i.e.
links to photos on the web.
b) Berthille is true.
c) I agree that there is little ebay buyers can do when their bulbs are not true. My bulbs are only sourced from reputable sellers - any excess/not required stock is sold on ebay. IF I had such a problem whereby I had sold a bulb that later was not true then I would issue an immediate refund. I can assure you that if my bulbs were not true then yours would also not be true.
d) I would not expect Matt Bishop to disclose my details - as already debated elsewhere on the SRGC.
e) Given my comments above assuming the item is true then ebay is purely demand versus supply. If there are people prepared to pay, what may seem excessive amounts for a snowdrop, then so be it. If I have made a profit then it means I can put that money towards the next snowdrop on my wanted list.
f) To assume that photographs are plagiarised does not infer counterfeit goods...
I'm guilty to the picture...
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Sorry, I've come in a bit late on this one.
Is it the authenticity or the price that is at question here? Or another...
Ah, you are the same "zorija" then.
I think it is the authenticity which is being queried by some of us . ......However the seller on eBay did not use their own photograph but one that appears on the jardin-de-berthille web site and that always sets alarm bells ringing in my ears.
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Zorija, the price is for you to decide, it's the authenticity that is being questioned.
You may or may not be aware that in the past people have sold fake snowdrops on eBay. The get away with this, for a while, by selling a bulb that is out-of-flower. And since they rarely if ever own the real snowdrop they use a photograph taken from another source. Currently you are doing both of these, selling a snowdrop that will not come into flower until February and using the same photograph that is on the jardin-de-berthille web site. You may have legitimate reasons for doing both these things but you should be aware that it looks suspicious
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I can assure you that Berthille is not sourced from the U.K. and it is 100% genuine !!!
Fraudsters wouldn't, in my opinion, post here.
If I was a fraud I think I would target plicatus Bumblebee. Will you remind me to post some of my pictures of Berthille in the spring...
One last comment - I am not very keen on Berthille but it is a stepping stone to others.
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Hi I wonder if I could have the opinion of the other galanthophiles on here please, I was on ebay today ...There were two snowdrops on the buy it now option Galanthus E.A.Bowles & Galanthus nivalis Berthille one bulb for each.
Oddly, the 'E.A Bowles' is on sale by ebay seller '2010coco44' and located in Swadlincote.
The 'Berthille' is on sale by ebay seller 'Zorija' and is located in Blackburn.
Forumist 'Zorija' says he is the 'Zorija' selling on eBay but on the forum his location is indicated to be Swadlincote.
Now that's a strange coincidence, isn't it?
Edit: For those unfamiliar with UK geography, Blackburn and Swadlincote are over 100 miles apart by road.
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Alan_b
Whilst my address has changed for Berthille to Blackburn then that, per se, is not a crime. I accept that it may look suspicious
but there are valid reasons for doing so.
I will discuss the reason if you PM me...
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The seller of Narwhal is using Joe Sharman's photo to see his/her snowdrop. The same seller is using a photo of EA Bowles from the Gardens Illustrated web site
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And that seller, '2010coco44' is also selling those two very expensive snowdrop at fixed prices ('buy-it-now'), just like 'Zorija' is, and they actually say they are in Swadlincote
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Alan_b,
As stated if you want the answers then PM me...
Edit : This forum is about November snowdrops. I suggest anyone that disputes my authenticity then PM me...
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Zorija, I have reviewed your record of postings on this forum. You first introduce yourself in February 2011 here http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6675.msg185574#msg185574 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6675.msg185574#msg185574) as someone called Mark who has inherited a collection built-up by his father, not all of which you can identify. Shortly afterwards you post a couple of photographs http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6675.msg185760#msg185760 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6675.msg185760#msg185760) and mention that your father lived in Blackburn http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6675.msg185770#msg185770 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6675.msg185770#msg185770) , which seems to explain the Blackburn/Swadlincote connection. To be frank, the identification questions you asked three years ago were quite naive and not indicative of someone with great expertise in snowdrops at that time.
You then drop out of sight and don't reappear on the forum until July of this year with pictures of some bulbs eaten by narcissus fly larvae http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12328.msg313763#msg313763 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12328.msg313763#msg313763) . Thereafter you make occasional contributions but there has never been anything to prove that you own any of the really rare and expensive snowdrops.
Fraudsters wouldn't, in my opinion, post here.
I'm afraid they do, an instance from earlier this year springs to mind. A young galanthophile, formerly a regular contributor to this forum, was identified as the seller of fake snowdrops on eBay. Due to pressure exerted here and elsewhere the listings were pulled before the auction came to a close.
Sadly, Galanthophiles on this forum have become quite adept at spotting fraudsters. And Zorija, you are certainly doing a lot of the things that fraudsters do.
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Zorija, no-one has called you a fraudster.
It has simply been pointed out that many of the things which we here have all discovered in the past to be indicative of possible and probable problems are being seen in connection with certain ebay listings.
M.Y. - forum moderator
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Maggi,
Seems to me Alan_b was over stepping his mark.
He had his chance to PM me but continued with his allegations on this forum. In my view he is completely out of order.
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Valid points of concern have been made - and zorija has stated that his plant of Berthille is correct.
It is up to all to make up their own minds on the matter
Enough already! I would be most grateful if you folks could play nicely - as good children do.
The matter is closed.
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two clones of Galanthus cilicicus
The first is a Nutt collection and the second a Kletzing one.
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Thank you all very much for your warm welcome!
You of course realize this new space means you have officially entered the most serious phase of this snowdrop disease..... ;)
Oh no! I thought I already was at the very bottom of this slippery slope! Could it get any worse? :-\ ;)
(how are my bulbs doing?)
Your crocus flowered about a month ago, Loes. No sign of your snowdrop yet, but I give it lots of TLC!
I think seeing colours that cannot be photographed is probably a manifestation of some sort of mass hysteria - 'galanthomania' if you will.
This is not the case with "Pink Panther". It is pink tinged. It is due to my camera or, more likely, my limited camera skills that I am not able to post a picture that does justice to it. I made a few attempts, though, against a white background. I think it is only my wishful seeing that the colour can be noticed. Just make your own judgement...
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A new snowdrop named 'Sweetheart' from Michael Broadhurst flowering over here. I has a nice sweet scent , and it can have
green tips on the outers.
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This is not the case with "Pink Panther". It is pink tinged. It is due to my camera or, more likely, my limited camera skills that I am not able to post a picture that does justice to it. I made a few attempts, though, against a white background. I think it is only my wishful seeing that the colour can be noticed. Just make your own judgement...
It's visible, Sven....a slight pink tinge. Glad to see you have the real one after thinking it never was gonna be pink last year => http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=1243.msg50607#msg50607 (http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=1243.msg50607#msg50607) ;)
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Snow, try a plain pale grey background or a clear blue sky. The camera will concentrate on the flowers. I use plaster board.
Looks like you might be too close for your camera to focus while on macro. What's your camera?
plaster board and no plaster board
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Sven, I can see the pink quite clearly on these shots...thanks for sharing these photos of remarkable cutting edge colored drops. Great fun to see. Rick
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These two photos, originals just reduced in size, show what I have done. Taken minutes apart and the same flower. For the grey background I just lifted the pot of the sand.
I got my square of plaster board free from the local builders yard
Ian Young explains the grey background in one of his logs
http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2006/250106/log.html (http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2006/250106/log.html)
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This is not the case with "Pink Panther". It is pink tinged.
Sorry Sven, my cynical comment was not directed towards you or your camera or 'Pink Panther' in particular. It's just that the colours in these 'coloured' snowdrops are never strong enough to get me excited. Way back when, Dulux used to run an advertising campaign for a range of paints that were all 'white with a hint of ...' - well some colour or other. Now galanthophiles have snowdrops that are white with a hint of orange or white with a tinge of pink but still, fundamentally, white. Except the virescent ones which can be very green indeed - and those I do find exciting.
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I like to try and imagine if everyone sees colours the same way , I imagine we don't .
I'd like to see 'pink panther ' in the flesh so to speak . I was impressed with Anglesey orange tip .
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I am a bit red/green colour blind so I know I don't see colours exactly as others do. For example, if there is a plant with lots of green leaves and red flowers then from a distance the contrast between the red and the green background is not that striking to me. So when my wife says "Look at those red flowers over there" I have to look quite hard to spot them whereas to her they stand out and are obvious. However I don't think that is why the 'coloured' snowdrops leave me cold.
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Like you Alan I am slightly red/green colour blind. Traffic lights are no problem, but travelling in Turkey I can pass a field of red tulips without seeing them. It also happens with hedgerow poppies - much to the amusement of friends.
The only 'coloured' snowdrops I like are the 'Yellows' . I am waiting for the yellow r-o 'Fotini' and the yellow 'Rosemary Burnham'. Think they might set a new EBay record :)
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Hi could I have some advice from the expert snowdrop growers on here please, I grow galanthus Cilicicus, peshmenii & Reginae Olgae Tilebarn Jamie, there flowers have gone over, I want to ensure a good seed set so I can increase my number of these loverly plants. How do I treat them?, do they need feeding & when will the seed be ripe? Thanks John
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Hi Mark,
Thanks for the photography examples.
I've messed around with backgrounds, mostly when photographing pleione.
The conclusion I've come to is that sunshine is a significant factor.
In the two examples you post, sunshine is a more obvious component of the 'plasterboard' shot.
Looking at the ovaries in both shots gives some indication as to where the majority of light is coming from.
Tim DH
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here is for all a test with seeing colors...thats the famous Ishihara test :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishihara_Test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishihara_Test)
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I am waiting for the yellow r-o 'Fotini' and the yellow 'Rosemary Burnham'. Think they might set a new EBay record :)
Me too, Arthur. Yet, oddly, I don't think there are any known examples of a yellow equivalent to a virescent snowdrop. Perhaps each type (yellow markings and virescent) is individually rare so the chances of combining the two by accident is very small. But a yellow analogue of the trym-types has been bred so perhaps a really yellow snowdrop is not too far off?
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here is for all a test with seeing colors...thats the famous Ishihara test :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishihara_Test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishihara_Test)
The test is also here with reasons why some numbers are not seen:
http://ishiharatest.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://ishiharatest.blogspot.co.uk/)
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Hi could I have some advice from the expert snowdrop growers on here please, I grow galanthus Cilicicus, peshmenii & Reginae Olgae Tilebarn Jamie, there flowers have gone over, I want to ensure a good seed set so I can increase my number of these loverly plants. How do I treat them?, do they need feeding & when will the seed be ripe? Thanks John
I'm a long way from an expert snowdrop grower, John - so I hope one of the real 'drop lovers will advise you - but - for other bulbs, I'd give a pinch ( not more than a quarter teaspoon) of sulphate of potash powder, sprinkled over the top of the pot and watered in to feed the bulb while it is ( you hope!) making seed.
But let's see what the experts say........
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This is the first year I've noticed snowdrops that bloom in Feb/Mar being sold on Ebay at a time when the bulbs have just established or still forming their root systems.
Unless the bulb is grown in a pot & shipped in the pot how can the root disturbance & possibility of root damage/drying be anything but detrimental at this stage of its growth cycle?
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This is the first year I've noticed snowdrops that bloom in Feb/Mar being sold on Ebay at a time when the bulbs have just established or still forming their root systems.
Unless the bulb is grown in a pot & shipped in the pot how can the root disturbance & possibility of root damage/drying be anything but detrimental at this stage of its growth cycle?
Something I think a few of us would wonder, Mike. Can't be a good thing, I would think - though it must be a great idea for anyone wishing to pull the wool over the buyer's eyes - since it will be so long before any "mistake" is noticed.
Cynical? Yes, I am .
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At least one is offering pot grown bulbs - Blacksmith's http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/blacksmithscottagenursery/m.html?item=201200998957&hash=item2ed8839a2d&pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/blacksmithscottagenursery/m.html?item=201200998957&hash=item2ed8839a2d&pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562)
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The test is also here with reasons why some numbers are not seen:
http://ishiharatest.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://ishiharatest.blogspot.co.uk/)
And here is the whole test..... http://www.dfisica.ubi.pt/~hgil/p.v.2/Ishihara/Ishihara.24.Plate.TEST.Book.pdf (http://www.dfisica.ubi.pt/~hgil/p.v.2/Ishihara/Ishihara.24.Plate.TEST.Book.pdf)
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I don't think experienced growers would be too keen to purchase highly priced snowdrops at this time of year when they can soon be ordered & received at a more appropriate time for the bulbs or better still buy flowering snowdrops in rude health at the SHAFTESBURY SNOWDROP FESTIVAL ;D
See what I did there Emma?? 8)
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Are you coming to Shaftesbury Mark?
It would be good to meet you again.
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I don't think experienced growers would be too keen to purchase highly priced snowdrops at this time of year when they can soon be ordered & received at a more appropriate time for the bulbs or better still buy flowering snowdrops in rude health at the SHAFTESBURY SNOWDROP FESTIVAL ;D
See what I did there Emma?? 8)
Don't know about Emma - but I nearly fell off my seat laughing there! Well done !!
Couldn't agree more - there will be quality plants for sale from a whole range of well-known growers - I think that starting to fill a piggy bank now would be a great idea ;)
See here for booking details for the Day - and just for the sale - if you can bear to miss the talks: http://www.shaftesburysnowdrops.org/#/study-day/4581752903 (http://www.shaftesburysnowdrops.org/#/study-day/4581752903)
The Scottish Rock Garden Club is proud to be sponsoring Matt Bishop's Talk and so cementing our association with this super event in Shaftebury.
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Great news that SRGC is again sponsoring a talker at Shaftesbury ;)
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I don't think experienced growers would be too keen to purchase highly priced snowdrops at this time of year when they can soon be ordered & received at a more appropriate time for the bulbs or better still buy flowering snowdrops in rude health at the SHAFTESBURY SNOWDROP FESTIVAL ;D
See what I did there Emma?? 8)
I think I may have noticed 8)
I liquid feed my snowdrops with a dilute maxicrop seaweed feed
Hi could I have some advice from the expert snowdrop growers on here please, I grow galanthus Cilicicus, peshmenii & Reginae Olgae Tilebarn Jamie, there flowers have gone over, I want to ensure a good seed set so I can increase my number of these loverly plants. How do I treat them?, do they need feeding & when will the seed be ripe? Thanks John
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Snow, try a plain pale grey background or a clear blue sky. The camera will concentrate on the flowers. I use plaster board.
Thanks for the advice, Mark! Next year I will experiment a bit with different backgrounds.
Looks like you might be too close for your camera to focus while on macro. What's your camera?
I have a Nikon D5000 with a 18-105 mm lens.
It's just that the colours in these 'coloured' snowdrops are never strong enough to get me excited. [...] Now galanthophiles have snowdrops that are white with a hint of orange or white with a tinge of pink but still, fundamentally, white.
Of course you are right, Alan, that "Pink Panther" is "only" off-white and not really pink. But it is different. That is what makes this new range of "coloured" snowdrops highly collectible for me.
But I do love the virescent, too. And the yellow..., the Trym-likes..., the green-tipped and... *sigh* Okay, I love them all... ::) ;)
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Hi Maggi Brian has already giving me some excellent advice and now Emma has as well, I've proberbly said this before, but I'm going to say it again this is what I love about the srgc people on here readily give you advice and helpful hints and tips, love it :)
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We're all learning John no matter how long we have loved growing our snowdrops & seeking out some new 'affordable' treasure. :)
Mike
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Absolutely, Mike. I feel I still have a long way to go up the learning curve.
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That is so true Mike, to my mind all snowdrops are treasures :)
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I went and bought some more G. elwesii from my local garden centre. The best are gone but I chose the best of what was left. They all had root buds poking out looking for moisture. I soaked them in water since yesterday, 24 hours, to rehydrate them and get the roots going before planting today. The root growth is amazing
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Would you like a copy of the 'Drop Out the new 'magazine'/booklet that looks at new snowdrops? There will be a charge which has to be finalised.
Email your name, address and post code to me at markATmarksgardenplants.com replacing AT with @ and subject line 'Drop Out
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Hi Galanthus Peshmenii which I got from Pontus in Switzerland is in flower, beautiful little snowdrop.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7571/15542869080_614c88a436_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pFtgto)Galanthus Peshmenii (https://flic.kr/p/pFtgto) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11213044/Margaret-Owen-obituary.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11213044/Margaret-Owen-obituary.html)
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What a lovely obituary for Margaret Owen. Thank you for this link, Emma
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Thank you Emma, for the link. Lovely to read this.
In the summer I received a bulb of a Elwesii Monostictus, from a friend. It is in flower now. Good substance and size flower
with nicely green markings on the outers. It is not named yet.
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In Denver, too. I guess this is plain old G. elwesii var. monostictus.
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In the summer I received a bulb of a Elwesii Monostictus, from a friend. It is in flower now. Good substance and size flower
with nicely green markings on the outers. It is not named yet.
Fantastic!! I hope its being twinscaled if the green outers are stable
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In Denver, too. I guess this is plain old G. elwesii var. monostictus.
G. elwesii Hiemalis Group if its flowering now. The leaves are correct for G. elwesii
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Thanks. I consulted the snowdrop book, and wondered if it might be Hiemalis Group, because the label just says elwesii. I have read that variety monostictus blooms early here, but that would have been on the label, too. (It came from The Temple Nursery.)
Being a galanthophile over here isn't exactly easy ....
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That green tipped elwesii monostictus looks quite special.
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Thanks. I consulted the snowdrop book, and wondered if it might be Hiemalis Group, because the label just says elwesii. I have read that variety monostictus blooms early here, but that would have been on the label, too. (It came from The Temple Nursery.)
Being a galanthophile over here isn't exactly easy ....
Hiemalis Group is just that, a group comprising all elwesii that flower early (around this time) provided they are also monostictus, which is a classification for elwesii with 'a single apical segment marking'. You don't show the marking on the inner petals so we don't know if it is a monstictus and therefore in the Hiemalis Group. Statistically it is likely to be because the vast majority of early-flowering elwesii are. But there are exceptions, 'Peter Gatehouse' for example, which has too large a mark to be classified as monostictus so does not fall into the Hiemalis Group despite the fact that it is in flower here now.
Although Hiemalis Group snowdrops are rare amongst the sum total of all elwesii, they are sufficiently common that only a few of them have names and this is either because they are old enough to have been named at a time when they were thought more rare or because they have some special extra feature as well as being early flowering. A prime example of a badly-named Hiemalis Group snowdrop is 'Earliest of All' which most certainly isn't by modern standards.
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The Galanthus nivalis have just surfaced here & the Cambridges are up but an inch. It's been an odd year.
johnw
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It finally opened....just in time for bitterly cold weather to arrive.
The main snowdrop season here usually begins about the third week of January, lasting into February, but unfortunately the weather patterns seem to be changing, and not in a way I appreciate.
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monostictus, which is a classification for elwesii with 'a single apical segment marking'.
Are all G.elwesii which have only a single apical mark monosticus? I have an unnamed G.elwesii with only singe mark, but it flowers quite late, at the same time as G.nivalis or even later, here usually in April.
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Are all G.elwesii which have only a single apical mark monosticus?
Yes. Monostictus is just a descriptive term (when applied to elwesii). They can flower at any time.
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Thanks. :)
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Sometimes the Galantus elwesii monostictus are real gems.....
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wow, Hagen! :o :o
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Wonderful variety in the marking Hagen. ;D
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Brian, I needed a little bit time to understand your smiley!
Now my world is OK again ;)
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Galanthus corcyrensis
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Hi Roma I've never heard of this snowdrop, is it a cultivar or another name for a species? It is a loverly snowdrop all the same.
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From Bishop, Davis & Grimshaw, page 127 of the first edition.
Despite being reduced to synonomy of G. reginae-olgae by Davis (1999), the name G. corcyrensis is likely to prove difficult to dislodge as it is widely used by gardeners to to refer to later clones that flower with the leaves present.
So the prediction made in 2001 has proved true; here we are in 2014 and the old name is still in use.
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Hi Alan thanks for that, I have some Reginae Olgae still flowering, but I'll stick to this name easier to pronounce.
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I still have my pot labelled corcyrensis as that is what I obtained it as. I suppose originally it was described as "coming from Corfu", but where my stock originated I don't know. I have seedlings of reginae-olgae from Sicily seed and elsewhere, and look forward to seeing them flower.
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Galanthus reginae olgae ssp vernalis out at the moment
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Galanthus reginae olgae ssp nivalis out at the moment
I don't know this one.
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I don't know this one.
That is because I have typed the wrong name-sorry
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Nice Tony
I wonder if there is a real difference with these or is where they are growing?./ Here is a Reg olgae out at the moment which always flowers here late November and early December
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And a couple more
Elw Peter Gatehouse
Elw Barnes
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Nice Tony
I wonder if there is a real difference with these or is where they are growing?./ Here is a Reg olgae out at the moment which always flowers here late November and early December
Ian non at all they are both white with green bits as David N. would say.
It is interesting that one of the true galanthophiles rang me and said'why are you calling it that' and I replied 'because that is what you put on the label when you gave it to me!'
Last year it flowered at the end of December into January.
I see from my records that my r-o have over the years flowered from mid September up to the beginning of February. There is no consistency.
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'Remember Remember' was on time this year and is still in flower but Advent has come early. The first Sunday in Advent is November 30th but here today is Galanthus elwesii var. elwesii 'Advent' nearly a fortnight earlier! Found in the garden of Mary Parry in Redisham Suffolk hence the synonym 'Mary's early'.
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'Advent' is a new one on me, Brian. Early elwesiis that aren't monostictus are relatively rare - as I'm sure you know.
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Stupid question maybe but could 'Advent' be a monostictus Hiemalis Group with two marks?
Spotted my lone surviving G. trancaucasicus 'November Snow' today. I'm sure it would be happier anywhere but facing north. The first of my G. snogerupii are now open - only two flowers last year but 7 this year
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The term elwesii 'Hiemalis Group' applies only to elwesii var. monostictus types. John Grimshaw once corrected me over this and I have not forgotten. Monostictus literally means single mark and elwesii var. monostictus is applied to elwesii with an "inner segment marking on apical half or less".
So a monostictus with two marks should be a contradiction in terms - but then there is 'Deer Slot' where the normal mark is split in two. I don't think 'Advent' is such, Mark.
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Galanthus elwesii var elwesii 'Advent' first appears here:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6017.msg172311#msg172311 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6017.msg172311#msg172311)
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Thanks, Brian. I was amused to see (on the same page) that even back in 2010 I was enquiring after early-flowering snowdrops. I guess I have been interested in those for longer than I remember.
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It was available at Myddleton House last year:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9587.msg265180#msg265180 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9587.msg265180#msg265180)
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It was available at Myddleton House last year:
From Michael Broadhurst, presumably? I guess I should be making a wants list of early-flowering snowdrops so I recognise more of the names.
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From Michael Broadhurst, presumably? I guess I should be making a wants list of early-flowering snowdrops so I recognise more of the names.
I have no idea as I didn't go. I would think that if you want more of any type of snowdrop it would be sensible to make a wants list, who sells it and how much you are prepared to pay. You could even see if you could swap as you have found some nice 'drops yourself.
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You're absolutely right, Brian. And I would far rather swap than buy.
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Came home from my hols to discover 'Santa Claus" has been and gone - don't think I will tell the grandchildren.
In the meantime 'Snogerupi' has just come in to flower. It is so good to come home and check what is happening - unfortunately huge amounts of leaves to clean up but that means an ongoing supply of leafmould so I am not really complaining.
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Came home from my hols to discover 'Santa Claus" has been and gone - don't think I will tell the grandchildren.
In the meantime 'Snogerupi' has just come in to flower. It is so good to come home and check what is happening -
Shocking news indeed - I'm not going to tell Ian either.......
It is so good to come home and check what is happening - unfortunately huge amounts of leaves to clean up but that means an ongoing supply of leafmould so I am not really complaining.
Wonderful stuff, leafmould - and all the better if its DIY !
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'Santa Claus ' is here instead lol
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I don't have 'Santa Claus' but I do have plenty of leafmould and lots in the making for next year.
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This Galanthus reginae-olgae flower has been out for about 2 weeks now. Haven't had a chance to photograph/post it before because I've been too busy/it's been too grey and wet. I'm impressed with it's longevity.
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Ian also mentions Galanthus reginae-olgae in today's Bulb Log
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Nov261417007041BULB_LOG_4814.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Nov261417007041BULB_LOG_4814.pdf)
He also mentions the lack of pollinators around at the moment here. I wonder if the snowdrops are able to last so long because they are not being fertilised?
Also in the BulbLog Ian shows Narcissus 'Cedric Morris' which must be one of the longest lasting flowers of any kind that we grow. This delightful narcissus comes into flower now and individual flowers can still be absolutely lovely in several months' time. I am talking, as I say, of individual flowers, staying fresh, not of a succession of flowers. The N. 'Cedric Morris' are sterile flowers, of course, so even when the ovary swells enthusiastically, making one think that lots of seed is being made, the flowers continue to look good and, in the end, there is never any fertile seed.
All part of the fascination of flowers, isn't it?
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I have noticed that flowers I've hand pollinated seem to go over quicker than others that haven't had their parts dabbed at. Nothing empirical, just a perception I have. I hope to get hold of Cedric one day, but it seems to be permanently out of stock.
I did have a lovely fat seed pod swelling on a Gr-o that had flowered earlier. A slug chewed most of the way through the stem last week so it was only hanging by the thinest fragment. I hoped it might still be attached enough to keep developing but it's withered :'(
A couple of Narcissus flower buds have also been attacked but other Galanthus are untouched, including my favourite, G. peshmenii. So, like Ian I have very carefully sprinkled just a few blue pellets of Gardener's revenge!
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... The N. 'Cedric Morris' are sterile flowers, of course, so even when the ovary swells enthusiastically, making one think that lots of seed is being made, the flowers continue to look good and, in the end, there is never any fertile seed. ...
A clone of N. jacetanus does the same here. Fortunately I didn't give up checking though, because this year it presented me with a single fat glossy seed :o ;D
Under glass, my efforts with a paintbrush regularly give nice fat pods on GG. reginae-olgae & peshmenii but many prove to be false pregnancies. So far however G. cilicicus hasn't even produced pods despite cross-pollination between several clones. Maybe it's a temperature problem.
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I have been following Galanthus germination thread with interest, and when I noticed these G.nivalis seeds germinating earlier in November, I took a picture of them. I have my oldest G.nivalis patch near (they barely show their noses now). I was making a new path through the bed, and this path had been covered all summer (to kill weeds), and in October I took the covering away because I knew that there could be snowdrops also in this place in the spring (I plan to move them away from the path in the spring).
So the seeds start to germinate also here in autumn. I covered them with mulch for now so that they survive the coming winter. :)
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Under glass, my efforts with a paintbrush regularly give nice fat pods on GG. reginae-olgae & peshmenii but many prove to be false pregnancies.
Despite being self-pollinated, my slug-attacked Gr-o was developing and handful of fat seeds. I'm sure they're not yet developed enough to be viable, but have buried them in the moist plunge sand in any case.
I have several clones of Gr-o, but having them in flower together to enable cross pollination is another thing ::)
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I'm very happy with my pot of ikariae snogerupii. I must put some out in the garden or in a trough
I bought my bulbs in 2012 at the Mid Anglia bulb sale. I now have 7 flowering bulbs, 1 bulb with an aborted flower and 9 non flowering bulbs
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Some sun today here in Belgium, so a good moment to take some pictures of flowering snowdrops!
- Galanthus elwesii 'Faringdon Double': the earliest double flowering snowdrop for me
- Galanthus elwesii 'Kinn McIntosh': small but very nice
- Galanthus reginae- olgae from Calabrië in Italy. This one has got long and narrow flowers. This one is very vigorous and in contrast with other reginae-olgae types this one hardly suffers from cold winters!
- Cyclamen elegans 'Silverleaf' with Galanthus elwesii 'KinnMcIntosh'
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He is a photo of my Galanthus rizehensis Trabzon that has been out for 3 weeks already. Not the most remarkable of forms, but unusual for a G.rizehensis to be out at this time.
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Topsy-turvey timings - just wonder how many more plants will make such an early start this year? In Scone on the 15th November I saw a perfect clump of Helleborus niger in full flower.
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I have H. niger in bud and a self sown hybridus in flower. Primroses are flowering. Lonicera 'Winter Beauty' is covered in flowers. Ranunculus acris and montana have flowers ... and too many snowdrops above ground
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In flower during the last week of november in South Turkey : Galanthus peshmenii