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Title: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 31, 2014, 09:34:53 PM
A drizzly start to November but we've already had hot days into the low 30s (oC) and the first brown snake(s) have been seen in the garden!
One of my favourite North American bulbs in now in flower, Dichelostemma ida-maia, the firecracker flower;
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 01, 2014, 03:30:59 AM

Fermi that's lovely, starting November off with a bang I see.  ;D  Sorry, if I didn't say it someone else would have I'm sure...

A few things flowering here but I haven't had time to do any photography for a while. I hosted a barbecue lunch today and have been cooking all morning, cleaning up for the last hour and now I'm sitting down, finally!
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 01, 2014, 06:39:31 AM

Androsace lanuginosa

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7509/15494424580_497f059e3b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pBbYBo)

Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 02, 2014, 09:09:48 AM
Dichelostemma ida-maia, the firecracker flower;


I haven't had this for a long time but got some seed recently. It is germinating now but so is something else in the same pot, looks like maybe one of the easier calceolarias or something, like C. falklandica or biflora. A little mystery for later and how did I come to oversow the bulb seed?
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: vivienne Condon on November 05, 2014, 10:12:37 AM
A few plants that are just loving our new garden.

    Ramonda myconi Alba 2
    Ramonda myconi 2
    X Brigandra calliantha 'Salisbury'
    Edraianthus serpyllifolius
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: vivienne Condon on November 05, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
I'v just read Cytisus demissus has had a name change to Cytisus hirsutus, I find it difficult to keep abreast of all the name changes. I grow this plant in an old copper pot as the slugs, snails and rabbits love every bit of it and leave me with just the stalks.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 05, 2014, 02:03:27 PM
I'v just read Cytisus demissus has had a name change to Cytisus hirsutus, I find it difficult to keep abreast of all the name changes. I grow this plant in an old copper pot as the slugs, snails and rabbits love every bit of it and leave me with just the stalks.
Crikey - I've  lost the plot with name changes - my brain hurts......... though these photos of your plants looking so good is better than an aspirin, Viv!   

 X Brigandra calliantha 'Salisbury'  is especially pretty - great  colour markings.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 05, 2014, 02:14:19 PM
Viv: do you know the history of  X Brigandra calliantha 'Salisbury'   ?
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 05, 2014, 07:39:58 PM
Lovely plants and pictures Viv. I do feel for you, with rabbits around. Roger shot 3 a couple of days ago so we've had respite for the last 2 nights but there are plenty more in surrounding paddocks. We are fencing everything! It doesn't look too bad on the whole, the green wire blending into the landscape and the stakes will weather to greyish quite quickly. I think this photo shows the fencing and it's not very obtrusive and has certainly stopped both rabbits and poultry from their marauding.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Hoy on November 05, 2014, 08:26:25 PM
Lesley,

It's easier to fence out rabbits than sludges anyway! Even now in November the mild moist weathes has been ideal for the gastropods >:(
And this summer I have had problem with common sparrows. They love to pick all my small new plants in the rockery.


Vivienne,

Nice plants! I haven't had flowers on my Ramonda this summer. Too shady maybe.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Otto Fauser on November 06, 2014, 05:29:59 AM
Viv , lovely plants in your new ,cooler garden where Ramondas seem at home . Your blue one is a much paler one  than mine . Do you still grow the pink R. myconi .? Please strike a cutting of Edraianthus serpyllifolius for me .
 
   The late Essie Huxley in Tasmania received the bi generic hybrid  x Brigandra calliantha 'Salisbury'  from the late Gerry Mundey (UK)as well as several Petiolaris Primulas . The first person to make this cross was Prof . Otto Schwarz , Jena  Bot. Garden . in the 1960s , of which he sent me a plant. Unfortunately I lost it ,as it was of a slightly different colour.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: vivienne Condon on November 06, 2014, 09:00:45 AM
Hello Otto, I do not have Ramonda myconi pink at all I'm sorry, we will have to keep trying to raise it from seed. I will certainly do some cuttings of the Edrianthus serpyllifolius for you.
Thank you Maggi, Lesley and Hoy for the lovely comments some times my garden looks like little Fort Knox every where trying to protect my plants.
Maggi I have a question and photos on a pulsatilla I wondered where I should put it would Olga and Susanna look on the Southern Forum I have taken pics of the leaves and the flowers. Viv.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 06, 2014, 09:39:51 AM
Viv - I suggest you post the photos  in the pulsatilla thread - keeps all those together there and makes a better resource for those plants.  When you've done that I'll post link here so they're noted here too. 8)
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 06, 2014, 09:41:33 AM
Otto, thank you for the background on the x Brigandra -  it is so interesting to know something of the history of these plants.  Not to mention learning of these connections with the legendary Essie Huxley and Gerry Mundey.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 07, 2014, 04:21:59 AM
Fermi that's lovely, starting November off with a bang I see.  ;D  Sorry, if I didn't say it someone else would have I'm sure...
Jamus,
this Forum can never have too many punsters ;D
Lovely Androsace - I must re-introduce it to our garden (it's often on sale at the FCHS Shows) as it survived the first 5 years of drought but the 6th or 7th finished it off :( Amazing to think it lasted so long considering it comes from the Himalayas!
Here are a few November Flowers in the garden,
First a Nicotiana hybrid we got from Craig Wilson at Gentiana Nursery, Olinda - it's been magnificent in its second year in the garden (after 2 or 3 in a pot!); the vari-coloured flowers give a lot of interest, I think,
Next is a burgeoning clump of Spuria Iris hybrids, the brown one is 'Intensity', if I'm not mistaken,
Third is a clump of the black centred Ixia rouxii flowering over a clump of dianthus and then an individual wand close-up,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Leena on November 07, 2014, 05:35:19 AM
How exciting colored Iris spuria. :)
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 07, 2014, 08:32:36 AM
Fermi thanks for posting the images of your garden. It looks absolutely stunning.

Poppies are almost done here but the 'Danish Flag' are a bit late because they were started later.

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Laburnum


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Tanacetum ptarmiciflorum


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Linum grandiflorum ' Brighteyes'





Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 07, 2014, 11:29:23 PM

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7466/15735292355_fffe608363_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pYtud4)

Geranium cinereum 'Ballerina' (thanks Otto)


(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7563/15115333004_ffa53796d2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/p2G2TJ)

Dianthus pinifolius


(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5598/15549411879_d0b15d8a6d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pG3Nqg)

Delphinium requienii


(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7540/15115901213_2a81b29615_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/p2JWNr)

Tanacetum ptarmiciflorum over Euphorbia 'Blackbird'



Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Robert on November 08, 2014, 12:46:26 AM
Jamus,

Some "killer" combinations!

I like seeing species Delphiniums. There are a number of species in our area and I enjoy growing them even if they can be challenging to grow.

Your photography is first rate! Thank for sharing so much with all of us.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 08, 2014, 05:30:30 AM

D. requienii is one of my favourites Robert. It's so big and exuberant, it self seeds and isn't garish. You're welcome to some seed, in fact I should donate some to the seed exchange as well. I'm not really certain of the name. I remember reading somewhere that requienii is a subspecies rather than a species, but I can't recall the species if that is true... Anyone know anything about this plant?

I had a very relaxing morning wandering around the garden with my camera. Having time to breathe increases the keeper ratio substantially!
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: astragalus on November 08, 2014, 12:48:24 PM
Fermi thanks for posting the images of your garden. It looks absolutely stunning.

Poppies are almost done here but the 'Danish Flag' are a bit late because they were started

That is one fantastic poppy.  What can you tell me about it?
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 08, 2014, 01:37:51 PM
I was rather taken with the striking marking of 'Danish Flag' , too.

It seems to come in both that deeply cut  form, making the petals lovely and  frilly and also in a solid petal form - both with the red/white  flag markings. There are  many adverts online for seeds of this form of Papaver somniferum so it must come reliably from seed.   :)
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: arilnut on November 08, 2014, 02:03:53 PM
Yep Maggi, just ordered some from "One Stop Poppy Shoppe"

John B
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 08, 2014, 06:59:51 PM

Yep from my reading danish flag is a named variety and comes true from seed (doesn't segregate). Yesterday I had a freak flower with SIX petals! I didn't get a photo, I wondered if every flower on that plant will be the same... unlikely but I'll find out soon enough.


My cardoons are enormous this year, they must be 3 metres tall.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7524/15550102097_f2e5bb580f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pG7kAz)


Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tasmanian Taffy on November 08, 2014, 10:10:43 PM
Hi all,
I have some seed of Papaver Danish Flag if anyone would like some please pm me cheers John.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 09, 2014, 07:35:45 AM
This poppy was collected and pressed by the father of a fellow chorister, who is now 82. His father was a teenage volunteer in WW1.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 09, 2014, 09:40:11 PM
What a beautiful thing to have the pressed poppy as a remembrance, so much happier (maybe) than pieces of schrapnel! I knew a gardener some years ago who had brought back tubers of Cyclamen hederifolium from Italy after the 2nd world War. It was said by his wife, after he'd died, that they'd come from Monte Cassino.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 09, 2014, 09:42:47 PM
Had to post this extra picture of Iris 'Queen's Grace.' It is glorious this morning and the original seven spathes are making extra flowers and I counted a total of 15 this morning, all on the one stem.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 10, 2014, 06:14:16 AM
That is a lovely delicate iris Lesley. I popped over to Joy Plants after school - if you can do that sort of thing in 40 minutes down the Southern motorway to Bombay. Wandered round the place for 15 minutes. The office door was open, but couldn't find anyone about, so came home again! If I'd found the plant I was after (which they have) I'd have taken it and left the money, but I didn't.  :-\
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Stephen Vella on November 10, 2014, 07:12:17 AM
Lesley that's a nice Iris.. Japonica or hybrid of some sort?

Jamus great Cardoon.. I use to grow this one with great effect when the flowers go over you get 6 months of dead flower heads, when the fluffy seeds are gone the dead flowers have a bristle that stay for a long time, I strip the dead leaves, one year a spray painted the stems red and the public were amazed by it.. Looks great for a wintery effect.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 10, 2014, 07:58:28 AM

Sounds great Stephen, yes I like the seed heads too. The only trouble are the copious volunteers which follow, but I don't mind as they are easy to weed out and it's pretty obvious what they are. I let a lot of things go to seed and enjoy the seed heads, as you do too by the sounds of it.

It's very dry here in Adelaide. We have quite a drought going on unfortunately. Things are hanging in there but it's on the edge.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Stephen Vella on November 10, 2014, 09:09:29 AM
As attractive as the seed heads are on perennials they also serve a purpose for next generations and even accidental hybrids that maybe something unusual/ desirable, seeding in places that are more favorable.
Hope the rains come in time as to alleviate the time spent on hand watering. The heat really dries the place up fast in the high 20s, low 30s. The grass is starting to become crunchy and it's not even summer.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 11, 2014, 03:41:47 AM
Revisited Joy Plants and came away with four pots. One huge Scilla natalensis with a flower spike in bud and three Drimia urginea, and all for $30. Terry Hatch was in good form.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ruweiss on November 11, 2014, 07:44:06 PM
It is nice to read, that Terry Hatch is in good form.
He was one of our tour guides during Southern Alpines 1996 and we had
a fine time together with this excellent plantsman.
Please give him our best wishes if you see him again.

Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 11, 2014, 10:25:11 PM
Stephen, the iris is wattii x tectorum and was bred and registered by the late Jean Stephens, an early NZ TB breeder.

Anthony, Terry's always in good form isn't he? ;D
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 11, 2014, 11:37:08 PM

Saxifraga cochlearis 'Snowdrift'

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7483/15745360246_b0e2452050_z.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jstonor/15745360246/)


An unknown (to me) species Alstroemeria.

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Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 12, 2014, 03:09:27 AM
Anthony, Terry's always in good form isn't he? ;D

Yes, I could spend a day there and still not see everything. Every plant seems to have a history. He says he got the original Scilla natalensis bulbs 50 years ago. I can believe it! He was at a flower show at the weekend and spent more than he made in the first hour. I can believe that too.  ;D
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 12, 2014, 03:34:58 AM
He was at a flower show at the weekend and spent more than he made in the first hour. .  ;D

As you do! :)
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 13, 2014, 07:28:23 AM

Another orange flower... I love this little poppy for its ability to survive and thrive, but orange offends me in the garden, so it's an awkward relationship. How do others here feel about orange in the garden?

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Papaver atlanticum (Papaver rupifragum var. atlanitcum?)
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Matt T on November 13, 2014, 07:36:53 AM
Oh, Jamus! Orange is a wonderful colour in the garden. Even the untidy, invasive Crocosmia x crocosmiiflora reprieves itself in late summer when ablaze with flower. The rest of the year we wage a war against it. I follow the Christopher Lloyd school of design with colour and revel in mixing colours of all hues. To be honest we need to be grateful for anything that will manage to flower in our difficult conditions.

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Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 13, 2014, 07:52:45 AM

You see that Crocosmia is stunning and I agree, it's such a glowing and sunny hue, but it just jars somehow.. i can't explain it. I feel the same way about yellow and I was really upset when the 'red' Erysimum I planted en masse turned out to be half red and half yellow/orange.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tim Ingram on November 13, 2014, 10:47:47 AM
Maybe if you live in a hot sunny place with vivid flowers you yearn for softer pastel shades - and if in a cooler overcast climate something much more vivid! There is a very good book by the photographer Andrew Lawson - 'The Gardeners Book of Colour' which looks at the way colours and plants interact, and a lot is to do with the balance of foliage and flower. How can you end up except as a flower arranger? Beth Chatto's garden confirms this so well.

What about here...?
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Stephen Vella on November 13, 2014, 12:12:12 PM
Jamus, it could be our harsh sun. The light in the northern hemisphere is softer and these hot colours are more acceptable. Just an observation.
Have you noticed as a photographer the hot colours really stand out early in the morning or at sunset and even better on foggy/ misty days when the light levels are just right and photograph well or otherwise on a hot sunny day there is too much glare and the colours bleach out and so use a filter.. But our eyes don't have filters just blinkers.
Oranges look great with blues, greys, greens and autumn colours. Or go with shocking purple and pinks.
It is a matter of taste.. Working in public garden I've noticed the public go straight for the hot or shocking colours.
Orange is a great colour!
Cheers
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 13, 2014, 06:32:59 PM
I love orange too and it's easily tempered with hot scarlets, gold/yellow/lemon/cream colours or blues and they look wonderful with lime green colours as in the many euphorbia species, lime-green tobacco, alchemilla and others. The only no-no for me would be orange with magenta or rosy pinks. Put several orange shades together. I always believe - I've seen it so many times - that plants of the same or very similar shades ENHANCE and strengthen each other, rather than cancel each other, as some believe. Colour is so much a matter of perception - and taste of course.

I can't find the picture at the moment but I have a marvellous Cheiranthus called C x Kewensis 'Rufus' which is a low bush of hottest burnt orange. It's known locally as 'Taieri Sunset' but the other is correct. I think it's on a different card and not processed yet.

In the meantime, at last, after 3 attempts, I have the true Papaver 'Patty's Plum,' a glorious plant in a rich, smoky deep red/pink. I adore this form! ;D
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 13, 2014, 07:23:07 PM
Oh Lesley, that oriental is gorgeous. I absolutely love that colour. I hope you will be keeping seed when it's ripe (silly question considering who I'm talking to).

Yes colour is very much a matter of taste and highly subjective. I guess like many of you here for me the plants take precedence over the 'garden' so I haven't been able to create a colour themed garden, apart from my silver and purple corner, which is working quite well I think, albeit on a small scale.

My youngest sister is drawn to combinations of hot pink and orange...  :o  I agree with you, it has to be the most jarring colour combination in existence. Likewise I work with a woman who is planting a "red, white and blue" garden.  :-X   Not my cup of tea at all, but each to their own.

Stephen, yes I've often seen hot colours burning out in photographs. You're right about our sunlight here. I wouldn't be surprised if it was double or more the intensity of European daylight, I haven't seen any figures on thus subject but I've seen plenty of Brits on holiday as red as beetroots! I'd take photographs but my camera just can't accurately render that intensity of red!  :)

I don't use filters; the only one I own is a circular polariser which might actually help. A neutral density filter would suffice I suppose. The era of filters is a by-gone one, tweeks to whitebalance and shooting bracketed sets for later HDR processing in photoshop is the way things are going. I don't get that technical though. NO TIME!



Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 15, 2014, 08:44:53 PM

Maggi I keep coming back and looking at your poppy. I have a hard time growing orientals here and I'm not going to try any more, so please post pictures as I love them. I have a friend who grows them beautifully deeper into the hills here so I can go there and admire them when the cravings get really bad.

I have a bit of a fetish for Digitalis species and have a little collection here. The first of them flowering now with more to come later;

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Digitalis lanata


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D. parviflora
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Stephen Vella on November 16, 2014, 05:54:16 AM
Jamus the colour combination and details on the Digitalis lanata flowers are captured beautifully, love the coffee and white. I grow a few species. I experimented with taking cuttings on Digitalis ferruginea. I don't know if you grow this one but it tends to produce rosettes along the flower stems these all struck. Not sure if lanata does this as well my one plant had been attacked by spider mite as they started to flower and died.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 16, 2014, 06:38:27 AM
That's interesting Stephen, might be worth a try! Do you just pot the cuttings up in potting mix or sand? I have ferruginea, quite a few in the garden this year and I've grown them in previous years. I will have a shot at it. I think ferruginea is my favourite so far, although laevigata is beautiful and very successful here for me. It self seeds like crazy and the patch is growing year by year.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 16, 2014, 06:46:32 AM
I like that and it's on the allowed list. 8) http://www1.maf.govt.nz/cgi-bin/bioindex/bioindex.pl (http://www1.maf.govt.nz/cgi-bin/bioindex/bioindex.pl) Will you have seeds later Jamus?
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 16, 2014, 07:09:29 AM

Anthony yes, plenty of seed and you're very welcome to some. It'll be a month or two until seed are ripe. I'll make a reminder for myself in my outlook calendar.

Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 16, 2014, 08:25:13 AM
Thanks.  8)
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 16, 2014, 10:06:39 AM
I just love  all these Digitalis  - can't help feeling they tend to be a bit overlooked by many people.
I hope the likes of these great photos will open peoples' eyes to the charm and detail of these flowers.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 16, 2014, 08:13:28 PM
Seed Jamus? well actually, no!  So far as I can tell it's pretty much sterile and in any case it wouldn't come true. If it sets some I'll certainly sow it (and send you some) but I doubt if it will. I'm puzzled though about a plant I had in bloom last year under the same name and from what should have been a reliable source. It was a muddy pink, dull and not unattractive really but not true. Maybe it was a seedling? maybe not. so far this year it's not flowering.

At one stage a few months ago, 'Patty's Plum' was selling on Trade Me (our version of E-Bay) for $85! Much less now though as it gets around a bit. :-X
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 16, 2014, 09:44:47 PM
Sisyrinchium "Yellow" and some general shots of the front garden. The roses came with the house. The hollyhock came from seed, and it is flowering for the second year. There are three plants here. The huge six stemmed red one on the back fence and two that are single stems beside the side fence, one of which is hidden behind a rose in "front garden 1", but can be seen in "front garden 2". Today it is a miserable, cold, wet and windy day.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 17, 2014, 03:45:01 AM
The rose and hollyhocks look good Anthony. Nice scent too, I expect.
Today and every day for last weeks- wet or about to be wet and cold and windy here too. Thoroughly sick of it. For heaven's sake it's mid/late November and there should be warmth and sunshine!.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 17, 2014, 04:13:20 AM
Quite so Lesley. As manager (and scorer) of our school's 1st XI cricket team I spent five hours on Saturday in a howling gale on McLean's College (many high schools are called colleges here) cricket pitch number three. It should have been a 45 over match, but we bowled their 2nd XI (we are div. 2) out for 147 and knocked off the runs in double quick time for the loss of two wickets. I was chilled to the bone. The heavens opened five minutes after the match was over. Nice view over to Waiheke and Ponui Islands, on a sunny day. The red billed gull was looking for lunch the home team is supposed to supply but didn't. He doubled the number on watchers, the other being one of our parents.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Stephen Vella on November 17, 2014, 10:08:58 AM
Hi Jamus ..I thought you might grow Digitalis ferruginea, such a great species and so drought tolerant. With the cuttings I just pulled them away from the flower spike with a heel. I struck them in an organic standard mix, water them and place them in a plastic bag and tie the top to conserve moisture and place them in the shade. A week later I open the bag a little to acclimatize them and finally a week later I take them out of the bag and grow on in the shade and then sun.
The ones I did were in September and about to pot them up and will plant them out soon. Cuts out 2 years from seed to flower. They might flower later this summer if I push them.
Cheers
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 21, 2014, 11:03:28 AM


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Digitalis ferruginea, as discussed above

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Echinops ritro
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 21, 2014, 11:24:33 AM
Is it just me or do Jamus' pix of Digitalis ferruginea and , previously, D. lanata look remarkably similar? :-\
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 21, 2014, 05:16:57 PM
I know! Labelling mixup? I could have sworn I had it right... I did hesitate Maggi but these are similar looking species. Maybe someone here has some experience and can clarify things for me? Anyone?  ???

Update: I've done some googling and I'm sure both plants are D. lanata, which is slightly troubling. Either I mixed up my labels or I was sent the wrong seed... I'll have a closer look at other 'ferruginea' plants in the garden when the sun comes up. Maybe the leaves will have distinguishing features which can save me from a long wait for flowers on all of them.

Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Matt T on November 21, 2014, 05:24:21 PM
I think in D.ferruginea the lip of the flower should be very hairy. Neither of Jamus' pics show this, so I'd say they both look like D.lanata.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 21, 2014, 05:30:02 PM
That's funny, Matt! I was going to say that I thought the foliage should be furry in lanata  (- in Jamus' pix the foliage looks small and "hard" with only some hairs on the edges) and that  lanata should have more coloured veining on the lip and the flower should be more furry, as well as the foliage - so I thought both were ferugineum!

Ooh errrrr......  :-[ :-\
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Matt T on November 21, 2014, 05:33:58 PM
There are hairs in Jamus' pics, one the flowers and leaves, just very small so you have to get really close to the screen. It's the underside of the leaves that are 'wooly' so your only seeing a few on the edges of the leaves. The white lip is also quite characteristic of D.lanata.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 21, 2014, 05:35:58 PM

You were all typing feverishly away while I was writing a response, and googling.

I know! Labelling mixup? I could have sworn I had it right... I did hesitate Maggi but these are similar looking species. Maybe someone here has some experience and can clarify things for me? Anyone?  ???

Update: I've done some googling and I'm sure both plants are D. lanata, which is slightly troubling. Either I mixed up my labels or I was sent the wrong seed... I'll have a closer look at other 'ferruginea' plants in the garden when the sun comes up. Maybe the leaves will have distinguishing features which can save me from a long wait for flowers on all of them.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Matt T on November 21, 2014, 05:36:37 PM
Granted it's not as wooly as other plants we'd regard as such, i.e. Stachys byzantina.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 21, 2014, 05:39:38 PM
I think both may well be lanata - on the grounds we're not seeing the whole plant.
Some lovely furry lanata pix here : http://www.friendsofthewildflowergarden.org/pages/plants/foxglove.html (http://www.friendsofthewildflowergarden.org/pages/plants/foxglove.html)  :)

Now for me to work out why I've been getting muddled!
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 21, 2014, 05:44:55 PM
Yes both must be lanata. That's a good page Maggi with good close ups of leaves, buds and stems. Just like my plants.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tim Ingram on November 21, 2014, 08:26:30 PM
D. ferruginea from my memory has smaller flowers without such a prominent and distinctive lip (i.e: similar colour to the rest of the flower) and very tall slender spikes. D. laevigata is closer to lanata but with yellower flowers but my favourite has to be D. parviflora with those small brownish flowers and generally a more perennial habit. They are rather exquisite seen close-up - no wonder they are so attractive to bees!
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 21, 2014, 08:36:15 PM
I'm with you , Tim  - they are all charming.

 Hope you had a suitably cake-filled birthday?!  :)
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jon Evans on November 21, 2014, 09:18:27 PM
Some pictures of Digitalis ferruginea from the AGS garden in 2008 - a magnificent plant.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 21, 2014, 09:45:58 PM
Super photos  of the fuzziness of the flowers, Jon. The  spike is  a real skyscraper, isn't it ?  8)
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 22, 2014, 12:06:15 AM

Thanks for the pictures Jon, I'm really looking forward to my ferruginea flowering after seeing those, although I might have to wait another year yet...

I've grown them all from seed, D. parviflora and D. laevigata are perennial in the garden now and self seed and spread around freely. The "ferruginea" which I grew previously was seed given to me by an acquaintance online and I'm now doubting the identity of those. I will have to dig out the photos when I get a moment and remind myself. New ferruginea 'gigantea' seed sown in the winter is now planted out in the garden but none have flower spikes yet. I may buy some seed of stewartii this autumn and add another species to the garden. I really enjoy them.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Robert on November 22, 2014, 02:04:23 AM
It also gets interesting when they hybridize with each other and seed around the garden. That is what happen here in our California garden. I'm not sure who hybridizes with who, but they are out about 15 generations and completely mixed up now. Some are quite nice but with three years of drought now many have died out.  :(
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 22, 2014, 11:09:53 AM
We had an inch of rain last week and today Habranthus robustus (ex 'Russell Manning')was in full flower,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tim Ingram on November 22, 2014, 03:51:41 PM
Sumptuous flower Fermi - if only this was hardy with us. We've had the rain at both ends of the year!
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 22, 2014, 06:08:31 PM
Beautiful fermi. I've not heard of rain lilies before. Your photo prompted me to go and look them up. Very interesting!
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 22, 2014, 10:25:23 PM
Beautiful fermi. I've not heard of rain lilies before. Your photo prompted me to go and look them up. Very interesting!
3 words for you, Jamus: a new obsession! :D
Tim,
For us it's more frost hardy than Zephyranthes grandiflora but usually just gets the foliage burnt off and the bulb recovers; Z.grandiflora has disappeared in the garden :'(
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 23, 2014, 09:24:30 AM

I'm not giving in to any urge I may (or may not) be having to start ordering seeds of Zephyranthes... I have enough going on here at the moment and the beginning of summer is not the time be adding to the workload.

Cobaea scandens is quick to get a grip on this old piece of chain.


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Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 25, 2014, 06:33:44 AM
I wonder if Merwilla plumbea is self-fertile?
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 25, 2014, 09:15:38 AM
Yes, it is.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 25, 2014, 09:47:25 AM
Excellent.  ;D You grow it Fermi?
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 25, 2014, 11:31:56 AM
Yes, Anthony, but it hasn't flowered so far this year.
I'm presuming it's self fertile as it sets seeds most years but I've never raised the seed myself..
Is that yours in the pic?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 25, 2014, 06:15:42 PM
Yes, but I bought it with a flower stalk from Terry Hatch at Joy Plants.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 25, 2014, 06:28:10 PM
Yes, but I bought it with a flower stalk from Terry Hatch at Joy Plants.

I'm sure that's cheating!  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 25, 2014, 08:33:39 PM
Absolutely, but the only difference is this one was grown in a pot near the Bombay Hills, Auckland's southern limit as opposed to in a pot in Botany, East Auckland. Until I get my own garden it will remain in this pot and we'll see if it flowers next year.
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 26, 2014, 01:09:09 AM
Last year we got a piece of a Tillandsia Paul T had growing outdoors in Canberra.
I keep it in our shade-house and this year it's decided to flower - very pretty but the pics aren't great as I took them in the evening,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Jupiter on November 29, 2014, 09:13:18 AM

Alstroemeria psittacina, common as dirt but I prefer it to many of the better known ones


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