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Title: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: charlotte on January 22, 2008, 02:49:57 PM
Does anyone have an unwanted copy of the subject monograph, The Genus Erythronium, by E.I. Applegate, 1935.  I have checked a couple of the used books sellers and do not find it.  Hardly surprising given the age of the book.

It is strange that this subject has not been covered more recently.  Mr. Young, perhaps you should consider doing so.  Your expertise and knowledge on the matter would surely lend itself to full publication.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you

 
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Alberto on January 22, 2008, 03:32:57 PM
Maybe this could be of any help:

 http://herbarium.biology.colostate.edu/reprints.htm

Ciao
Alberto



Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Maggi Young on January 22, 2008, 04:24:29 PM
Since Mr Young is up a mountain on the other side of the world at the moment, i will presume to answer for him   ::)  There are promised mongraphs for Erythronium which he and I ... and many of you, as well, are patiently awaiting..... I have made enquiries of a person reported to have written a thesis on the subject, to see if that might be available but I have had no reply  :(  The idea of an Erythronium book is one that Ian and our hero, Brian Mathew, have been mulling over for years... perhaps one day!


As to a copy of Applegate... the one we have here is only a photocopy and not of great quality so not fit, I think, for further reproduction. Blasted scanner doesn't work, anyway. >:(  Perhaps a reprint via Alberto's link is as good a route as any. :)
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: charlotte on January 22, 2008, 06:23:17 PM
Alberto
Thank you for the reference.  Will check it out for possibilities and report back.

Maggie,
I am pleased to learn that those who know are considering such a publication.  In the meantime I will delve into the Quarterlies of all the groups.  How such a group of plants can be overlooked for such a long time is a mystery.  It may have to do with the long waiting time from seed to flower, but then Trillium is in print and it is worse than Erythronium in getting from seed to flower.

Thank you both for your help

Best regards
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Ed Alverson on January 22, 2008, 07:44:16 PM
Applegate's Erythronium monograph was published in 1935 in volume 3 of the journal Madrono (note there should be a ~ above the "n" in Madrono).  This is the journal of the California Botanical Society and it is possible that they might still have back issues that you could purchase.  This web link: http://www.calbotsoc.org/madrono.html has the relevant contact information.  Unfortunately Madrono is not on JSTOR which is an electronic archive of older scientific journals where you can easily print a pdf version of old papers.

Madrono is a regional botanical journal that is in the holdings of many university libraries in the western US, and probably would also be in libraries of some of the larger botanical gardens in Britain and Europe.  The Erythronium monograph is 55 pages long, so not too long to make your own photocopy.  Despite having been published in 1935 the information is still very relevant and I refer to it all the time.  It of course doesn't have the recently described species, most of which (interestingly) were also published in Madrono.  So, if you are ordering back issues of Madrono, you would want to also get vol. 32 no. 1 (1985); vol. 37 no. 4 (1990); and vol. 44 no. 4 (1997) to complete your Erythronium library.

Ed
 
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Maggi Young on January 22, 2008, 07:57:24 PM
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Despite having been published in 1935 the information is still very relevant and I refer to it all the time.
Yes, so do we.


I'll just take this opportunity to refer any newcommers to Ed's excellent series in the main Website on his searches to find erythronium in the wild.... "My Erythronium Big Year"  Part 1 to 5   .....index page here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/monthfeature/content.html
 Ed's articles  are from April through to May 2006
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Paul T on January 22, 2008, 11:17:11 PM
There's some useful information on Erythronium in "Bulbs of North America", by the North American Rock Garden Society.... just in case you didn't know about it.  Some lovely pics to.  Obviously this covers only the North American species.  Of course having read it I just HAVE to have E. umbilicatum.  Something to find one day!!  ::)
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: kaydale on January 23, 2008, 06:22:36 AM
If anyone ever does do a book on Erythroniums I'd love to get it, although I only grow the more common species they are still one of my favourite genus (in the top 10 anyway :))
Lesley
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 23, 2008, 07:08:15 AM
Research is being published about Erythronium, but probably not in such
an accessible way as those of us who are gardeners and not botanists
would hope for.

Dr. Geraldine Allen of the University of Victoria, in Victoria, British Columbia,
has these current research interests:

Hybrid zones and hybrid speciation. Many plant species have poorly developed reproductive barriers, and where they come together, they frequently give rise to novel taxa through hybridization. I am using molecular approaches to investigate the origin of hybrid races and species in two genera, Erythronium (Liliaceae) and Aster (Asteraceae).
Phylogeny and biogeography of Erythronium. This genus is highly diverse in western North America, and contains both rare and common species. I am using both morphological and molecular characters to construct a phylogeny of the western North American species, as a basis for inferring morphological evolution, post-Pleistocene migration patterns, and possible causes of rarity.
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: charlotte on January 23, 2008, 10:20:16 AM
It is pleasing to know the great interest in the subject.  Ed, thank you for giving me the information on the current publications by Madrono.  I have been in contact for the 1935 copy and learned that a xerox can be supplied at a cost of US$10 - includes the postage.  I will now ask for copies of the current material.
It does seem I have a lot of research to do - always to my liking.  One never knows what will come to light on the second reading.

Thank you all for your help
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: charlotte on January 23, 2008, 04:54:50 PM
Ed,
Can you please tell me what pages of Vol 37, No. 4 pertain to Erythronium.
I am able to secure issues of 1985 and 1997, but the 1990 issue is not available.  They will xerox the relevant pages if I can tell them which ones.

Thank you for your help
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Maggi Young on January 23, 2008, 10:32:18 PM
I hope that lots of you will be pleased by Ian's choice to make his Bulb Logs over the period of his trip to New Zealand on his favourite subject (starting last week, next instalment online now) : Erythronium
What a surprise choice, indeed :-X ::)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2008/160108/log.html
http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2008/230108/log.html   
...there's more to come!
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Diane Clement on January 23, 2008, 10:51:29 PM
I hope that lots of you will be pleased by Ian's choice to make his Bulb Logs over the period of his trip to New Zealand on his favourite subject (starting last week, next instalment online now) : Erythronium
What a surprise choice, indeed :-X ::)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2008/160108/log.html
http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2008/230108/log.html   
...there's more to come!

Excellent, look forward to the next installment.  He really ought to write a book about them ...
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: charlotte on January 24, 2008, 02:40:06 PM
Ed,
No need to answer.  Have discovered the answer.

Charlotte
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: charlotte on January 24, 2008, 05:54:25 PM
Ed,
I am embarrassed to say that until today I had not read your excellent series of Erythronium in the wild.  It is wonderfully presented and the photos are inspiring.  When will you and Ian get together for publishing?

Thank you for your generousity

Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Maggi Young on January 24, 2008, 05:56:01 PM
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until today I had not read your excellent series of Erythronium in the wild.  It is wonderfully presented and the photos are inspiring.
I told you so!!
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Ed Alverson on January 27, 2008, 12:41:52 AM
Thanks, Charlotte, for your kind words.

Before I could contribute to any publication I would need to do more travelling during Erythronium flowering season - first to Eastern North America, then Europe and Asia, in order to see all of the species in the wild.  It's a tough job, but someone has to do it!

But seriously, I am a bit wary of both making promises that might be hard to keep, and to take something on that someone else is already planning to do.  The great thing about the SRGC web site is that it has allowed me, with a relatively modest amount of effort, to put information out there in a way that is accessible to all, without all of the to-do that would be associated with creating a "real" publication.

Ed
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Maggi Young on January 30, 2008, 11:20:56 PM
Third part of Ian's Erythronium Bulb Logs, ERYTHRONIUMS OF WESTERN NORTH AMERICA PART 2 (??!!), now online: http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2008/300108/log.html


ERYTHRONIUMS Part 1 : http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2008/160108/log.html
ERYTHRONIUMS OF WESTERN NORTH AMERICA : http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2008/230108/log.html
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Matt T on February 07, 2014, 12:48:17 PM
This topic has been inactive for some time, but I just stumbled across this on a well-known booksellers website:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genus-Erythronium-Botanical-Magazine-Monograph/dp/1842464922/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1391776461&sr=1-1&keywords=erythronium (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genus-Erythronium-Botanical-Magazine-Monograph/dp/1842464922/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1391776461&sr=1-1&keywords=erythronium)

I'm sure it will be available from other outlets too, although it says publication will be in July here, but I've seen November mentioned elsewhere.
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Maggi Young on February 07, 2014, 12:52:46 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genus-Erythronium-Botanical-Magazine-Monograph/dp/1842464922/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1391776461&sr=1-1&keywords=erythronium (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genus-Erythronium-Botanical-Magazine-Monograph/dp/1842464922/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1391776461&sr=1-1&keywords=erythronium)

I'm sure it will be available from other outlets too, although it says publication will be in July here, but I've seen November mentioned elsewhere.

at last!
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: charlotte on February 07, 2014, 02:11:23 PM
Now I know what to do with the research material I collected and did not know how to approach a very complex genus.   :-[

Charlotte
Renaix Belgium
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Tim Ingram on February 07, 2014, 05:35:07 PM
Only just realised that the earlier posts date back a few years. This should be an exciting publication, perhaps on a par with Stearn's Epimedium, which is a wonderful book. Time to put aside some pennies over the next months! The picture of Ian Christie's 'Ardovie Bliss' in the latest 'Rock Garden' is exquisite, and I am reminded again of Ray Drew's beautiful display of Erythronium at the local Essex AGS Group Show last spring.
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Maggi Young on February 07, 2014, 06:07:07 PM
Now I know what to do with the research material I collected and did not know how to approach a very complex genus.   :-[

Charlotte
Renaix Belgium

Dear Charlotte - we have missed you very much!
Why do you not assemble  your researches into articles for the SRGC website - so many enthusiasts around who would find such things of use - not everyone has money for books.......
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: charlotte on February 08, 2014, 12:42:02 PM
Maggie,

That is very sweet of you  :) :) :)

I will see what I can do with the information I have but will probably also buy the book to assure myself that I am not repeating findings more thoroughly searched out.

Again, thank you for your kind thoughts,

Charlotte
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: charlotte on February 08, 2014, 01:06:07 PM
I have checked this supposed "book".  It will be a monograph sponsored by the RHS and authored by someone very knowledgeable.  I am feeling quite indiminated approaching the subject.  Guess I can take a simple approach to it.  Time will tell if I can put anything together warranting publication.

Charlotte

Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Maggi Young on February 08, 2014, 01:19:08 PM
I was serious in my suggestion , Charlotte.
There will be some for whom that book, no matter if it is the most wonderful book ever, will be too expensive and perhaps, many for whom a Kew Monograph will be too "complicated"- so I have every reason to suppose that a freely available treatment of the subject that is "accessible" in every aspect will be welcome.
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Tim Ingram on February 08, 2014, 04:35:46 PM
I would agree with Maggi - we visited John and Carolyn Millen today to see their snowdrop collection, and they have copies of all the snowdrop books that have come out over the past few years. Even if all are written from individually different perspectives, each is equally interesting and instructive - especially when one's interest in a subject is growing and you meet the people who have been growing the plants for much longer than you have yourself. We only grow a few erythroniums and gaining knowledge from the experience of others would be really valuable (and I already have a few Scottish raised varieties high on the wish list!).
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Upico on June 11, 2014, 08:33:48 PM
A small "Monograph" .The author well known. Self-made for personal use.
A single piece, not for sale!  ;D



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Ian, thank you so much for the wonderful Bulb Log. ;)
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Ian Y on June 11, 2014, 08:45:42 PM
You have made a lovely binding Upico, thank you for showing it to us and for your support.

See today's bulb log or some more pictures of Erythronium seed.
 :)

Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Upico on June 11, 2014, 08:55:50 PM
I have already read the bulb log. Thank you again!  ;)
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Maggi Young on June 11, 2014, 09:02:25 PM
A small "Monograph" .The author well known. Self-made for personal use.
A single piece, not for sale!  ;D

Ian, thank you so much for the wonderful Bulb Log. ;)

Wow! It looks so good - our friend Jack Brownless, sadly no longer with us, was a very accomplished book binder - so is this your job or just a hobby? ?   
We no  longer have a commercial bookbinder near here in Aberdeen to bind our SRGC/AGS journals. It is a dying art. :'(

Ian is very proud that you would make such a book for his favourite flowers - thank you so much for giving us this great pleasure.  8) :-*
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Upico on June 11, 2014, 09:12:23 PM
Oh, no. It is not my job or  hobby. The book made a commercial bookbinder.  ;)
Title: Re: Erythronium Monograph
Post by: Maggi Young on March 08, 2017, 04:46:20 PM
Thought it  a good idea to post here about the availability of Ian Young's e-book - Erythroniums in Cultivation -  in pdf form - download via this link :

http://www.srgc.net/filessub/general/ERYTHRONIUMS-IN-CULTIVATION%20-2016-IanYoung.pdf

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-and  at least one enterprising reader has has  it printed!

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