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Title: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Roma on September 03, 2014, 08:25:01 PM
First Crocus pulchellus of the season flowering yesterday.  Another was open in the border today.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 03, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Really nice Roma, looking lovely in the grass.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Tony Willis on September 05, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
My first of the season,a self sown weed in the plunge.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Janis Ruksans on September 06, 2014, 08:20:45 AM
My first of the season,a self sown weed in the plunge.
Could be ilgazensis.
Janis
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: udo on September 07, 2014, 04:58:21 PM
a seedling from Crocus autranii with open flower today
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 07, 2014, 05:31:15 PM
a seedling from Crocus autranii with open flower today

Lovely Dirk  , how old is it ?
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: udo on September 07, 2014, 05:34:11 PM
Lovely Dirk  , how old is it ?
Hi Kris,
this is a four years old plant. His mother grown from JJAseed.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on September 07, 2014, 05:56:27 PM
a seedling from Crocus autranii with open flower today

 Is there some Crocus kotschyanus blood in there, Dirk ?
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 07, 2014, 06:53:51 PM
Hi Dirk,

Does the Crocus autranii also has got the strange habit to germinate in the second year after sowing, i just read this in a document of the crocus group... .

For me Crocus kotschyanus ssp. kotschyanus and Crocus hadriaticus ssp. parnassicus where in flower today.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: tonyg on September 07, 2014, 10:28:00 PM
Is there some Crocus kotschyanus blood in there, Dirk ?
Looks quite like others I have seen ... including the one I grew  :'(  It is quite closely related to kotschyanus though.

Awaiting Dirk's opinion too.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: tonyg on September 07, 2014, 10:32:40 PM
Here's my first of the season.  Crocus kotschyanus growing in a raised bed outside.  Nearly halfway through re-potting the collection and it looks like the last growing season was indeed a good one with plenty of healthy corms with plenty of healthy corms all ready to grow!
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: udo on September 08, 2014, 05:21:41 PM
Is there some Crocus kotschyanus blood in there, Dirk ?
Maggi, I am confused a little bit. Why should be there Crocus kotschyanus with in it. He blossoms when autranii is over. Unfortunately, Crocus autranii, scharojanii and vallicola have the habit to open her blossoms only at higher temperatures a little further.

Ruben, except with Crocus michelsonii and sometimes caspius the biggest part of the seeds germinates in the first year, but only if on time (August) of the seeds comes to the ground.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on September 08, 2014, 05:44:13 PM
Dirk, I thought the flower did not look as I might expect "pure" autranii to look - you said it was from seed and it is often possible that species flower at odd times in other seasons so in cultivation a hybrid might be possible.  I am not aware of the full range of variability in autranii so I was asking if you felt it was pure. Its seems you do.  :)
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Graeme Strachan on September 10, 2014, 08:00:15 PM
Here is my first of the season - Crocus Vallicola

       regards

           Graeme
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on September 10, 2014, 08:09:25 PM
One of my favourites, Graeme - the wispy tips on a bloom that manages to be dainty and sturdy at the same time is a winner for me.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Graeme Strachan on September 10, 2014, 08:17:05 PM
Maggi,
           Thanks - this is always my first one of the season and rekindles my enjoyment of crocuses.

              regards

                    Graeme
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Steve Garvie on September 10, 2014, 11:06:22 PM
Here is my first of the season - Crocus Vallicola

       regards

           Graeme

Lovely images of this beautiful crocus Graeme!

Here is a close relative -Crocus autranii (I can take no credit for flowering it as it was only recently bought from Janis Ruksans).
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5569/15179640316_b6d37876c7_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: tonyg on September 11, 2014, 08:26:13 AM
Wonderful light and detail Steve  :)
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Janis Ruksans on September 11, 2014, 03:44:10 PM
Crocus autranii easily hybridizes with Crocus gilanicus F-1 generation looks exactly as autranii, may be a bit lighter in colour, but you can note this only when both are side to side. In F-2 hybrids split in various forms - closer to gilanicus and closer to autranii. So only seedlings of your plant can confirm that your plant are "pure" or hybrid.
If you will saw seeds immediately after harvesting - C. autranii will germinate in first spring as all other crocuses. Don't keep seeds till autumn, saw just after harvesting!

This day is very joyful for me. Just got parcel with few crocuses from Russia. They were collected last autumn in Abchasia - true and clean Crocus autranii and sample of Crocus speciosus from Talish, near Lerik - must be crocus described as C. polyanthus by Grossheim (nomen nudum) collected there this spring. Corms travelled long way - at first to Russia, then brought to Kiev by my Ukrainian friend who forwarded those to Lithuania (via Byelorussia) and from Lithuania were posted to me. After treating with insecticides and fungicides corms were immediately potted.

Corms collected for me by my Ukrainian friend still stay in Donetsk unplanted in my Ukrainian friend's parents garden.  He can't reach them and may be all his collection will be lost due terrorist horror in East Ukraine, if Europe and other world will not stop new Hitler of 21-st century - Putin.
Janis
 
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Janis Ruksans on September 11, 2014, 03:47:50 PM
Lovely images of this beautiful crocus Graeme!

Here is a close relative -Crocus autranii (I can take no credit for flowering it as it was only recently bought from Janis Ruksans).
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5569/15179640316_b6d37876c7_o.jpg)
True and perfect!
Janis
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Tony Willis on September 11, 2014, 04:27:31 PM
Steve

a superb picture.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 11, 2014, 08:14:10 PM
Steve
A superb picture.

Oh yes it is ! Great picture Steve.

Here autranii is in bud and I hope to see the open flowers very soon.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Oakwood on September 12, 2014, 03:28:30 PM
in wild....
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on September 12, 2014, 03:43:33 PM
My word, Dima, these are beautiful photos of these most gorgeous of Crocus  8)
Crocus scharojanii and C. vallicola are glorious when we manage to grow them in our gardens but these magnificent specimens in the wild are "something else", so to speak.  Wow! 8)
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: art600 on September 12, 2014, 03:54:02 PM
Seeing Crocus sharojanii is on my 'Bucket list'  8)
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Cyril L on September 12, 2014, 07:22:10 PM
Dima, seeing these wonderful crocus in the wild prompts me to post some pictures of my plants in the last few weeks.

Crocus vallicola
Crocus autranii
Crocus scharojanii
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: udo on September 12, 2014, 07:49:33 PM
Dima, seeing these wonderful crocus in the wild prompts me to post some pictures of my plants in the last few weeks.

Crocus vallicola
Crocus autranii
Crocus scharojanii
Cyril,
real wonderful pictures, especially the Crocus scharojanii.
I have ever only one flower in the year. ;D >:(
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 12, 2014, 08:21:00 PM
Dima, seeing these wonderful crocus in the wild prompts me to post some pictures of my plants in the last few weeks.
Crocus vallicola
Crocus autranii
Crocus scharojanii

 :o :o :o  I agree with Dirk .Stunning pots with some superb Crocus Cyril....
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 12, 2014, 08:22:49 PM
in wild....

Lovely to see them growing in the wild Dima. Superb and thanks for showing. 
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: pehe on September 12, 2014, 08:49:38 PM
in wild....

Dima, I envy you seeing Scharojanii in the wild. It is really beautiful pictures of these rare crocus.
These valicola from Dombai are more beautiful than the Turkish ones I grow.
Have you been travelling in this area recently?

Poul
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Cyril L on September 12, 2014, 09:43:38 PM
Dirk, here I find Crocus scharojanii does not flower all together regularly, i.e. flowers usually appear in succession, a bit like C. autranii.  It is however still more reliable than the spring flowering C. scardicus.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Steve Garvie on September 12, 2014, 10:11:34 PM
Wonderful images of these beautiful crocus in the wild!

Cyril, that pot of scharojanii is stunning!!!  :o
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: pehe on September 13, 2014, 05:09:31 AM
Dima, seeing these wonderful crocus in the wild prompts me to post some pictures of my plants in the last few weeks.

Crocus vallicola
Crocus autranii
Crocus scharojanii

Cyril,

I can only repeat what others have said - stunning to see a pot full of C. scharojanii flowers. Well done!
Could you tell us how you grow them so well? It is not the easiest one to deal with.


Poul
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Diane Whitehead on September 13, 2014, 06:33:08 PM
Crocus banaticus from SRGC seed.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Cyril L on September 13, 2014, 07:32:17 PM
Cyril,

I can only repeat what others have said - stunning to see a pot full of C. scharojanii flowers. Well done!
Could you tell us how you grow them so well? It is not the easiest one to deal with.


Poul

Poul,

I grow it in much the same way I grow other bulbs that don't like drying out too much.  Compost is 2 JI No. 3 + 1 grit with some composted bark, repotted in July (sometimes leaves are still green) and never allowed to get dry at any time.  During the growing period, when new leaves begin to appear, 1/2 strength high potash feed is given every week/fortnight.  It is grown in a clay pot plunged in sand in the greenhouse which is more or less frost free and given full exposure, which is fine in a Scottish climate, but with a continental climate, a shadier and cooler place would be more appropriate.

As mentioned previously, it does not always flower well.  I have been growing it since 1997 when I got it from the then 'Pottenton & Martin Nursery'.  I have several bulbs but only a few flower every year.  This year they flowered end of July, but the leaves have not appeared yet which is quite normal.  Fingers crossed that they are still fine underground.

Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: udo on September 14, 2014, 11:55:01 AM
Dirk, here I find Crocus scharojanii does not flower all together regularly, i.e. flowers usually appear in succession, a bit like C. autranii.  It is however still more reliable than the spring flowering C. scardicus.
Cyril,
with me it is exactly different, Crocus scardicus blossom everybody at the same time. Indeed, is there only one clone, with Crocus autranii and scharojanii these are different seedlings.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: pehe on September 14, 2014, 12:16:42 PM
Crocus autranii
Crocus banaticus 'First Snow'
Crocus karduchorum? The troat should be pure white.

Poul
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Cyril L on September 14, 2014, 01:18:45 PM
Cyril,
with me it is exactly different, Crocus scardicus blossom everybody at the same time. Indeed, is there only one clone, with Crocus autranii and scharojanii these are different seedlings.
Dirk, this is an interesting point.  I bought 3 bulbs of C. scharojanii in 1997 and it could be they are all different clones which might explain why they flower at different times.  Also C. autranii was raised from seeds so the bulbs are all different clones.  Maybe if they are all the same clone they would flower together.  C. scardicus is very unreliable to flower here, at most I had 3 flowers at the same time but most years it does not flower.  Maybe it is a matter of getting a good flowering clone!
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 14, 2014, 07:18:59 PM
Poul,

I also think you're Crocus karduchorum is not a pure karduchorum. I think you're crocus is a cross between kotschyanus and karduchorum. Its has the yellow dots in the throat from kotschyanus but the style is typical karduchorum for me.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Janis Ruksans on September 15, 2014, 12:21:36 PM
Regarding Crocus karduchorum - there are some problems. I have stock collected by Stevens, Archibald, Seisums - SASA-102 - at locus classicus which looks close to cappadocicus, but stigma is much more divided. I still have original plants (not seedlings) and I'm always doubtful about name. Just now I compared both again. SASA - 102 has dark yellow spots at base, petals intensively striped, stigma much divided creamy. Seedlings repeat mother plants. Cappadocicus has much less divided deep yellow to orange yellow stigma. Kotschyanus is not growing side by side with karduchorum. So it is questionable plant. What really is SASA-102?
I have other acquisitions of karduchorum, too - they are very pale with white throat, stigma from pure white to creamy, allways much divided.
Janis
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Tony Willis on September 15, 2014, 04:09:28 PM
Crocus hadriaticus from Mt Parnassus
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: pehe on September 15, 2014, 05:39:11 PM
Regarding Crocus karduchorum - there are some problems. I have stock collected by Stevens, Archibald, Seisums - SASA-102 - at locus classicus which looks close to cappadocicus, but stigma is much more divided. I still have original plants (not seedlings) and I'm always doubtful about name. Just now I compared both again. SASA - 102 has dark yellow spots at base, petals intensively striped, stigma much divided creamy. Seedlings repeat mother plants. Cappadocicus has much less divided deep yellow to orange yellow stigma. Kotschyanus is not growing side by side with karduchorum. So it is questionable plant. What really is SASA-102?
I have other acquisitions of karduchorum, too - they are very pale with white throat, stigma from pure white to creamy, allways much divided.
Janis

Perhaps this species is more variable than first thought?

Poul
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: WimB on September 16, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
A very easy species, but beautiful none the less. Crocus kotschyanus subsp. kotschyanus.
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Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Janis Ruksans on September 16, 2014, 05:29:02 PM
Perhaps this species is more variable than first thought?

Poul
Unfortunately impossible ask to Jim - is SASA-102 originally collected plants or his seedlings? I supposed that they were his own original stock. I got them by his wish. Will try to contact Arnis Seisums, he is so busy, that not easy met him. May be he will remember this trip of 2003.
Janis
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on September 16, 2014, 06:20:09 PM
A very easy species, but beautiful none the less. Crocus kotschyanus subsp. kotschyanus.
(Attachment Link)

Cracking image Wim.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: WimB on September 16, 2014, 06:31:55 PM
Cracking image Wim.

Thank you, David!
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Steve Garvie on September 16, 2014, 09:49:11 PM
Crocus (kotschyanus) cappadocicus
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3907/14959520188_cc0939ce46_o_d.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3906/14959520048_c12dd1f5c7_o_d.jpg)

The corm grows on its side like Crocus suworowianus.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 18, 2014, 10:32:33 AM
Brilliant Steve !
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: udo on September 18, 2014, 06:06:10 PM
Nice pictures from all.
Here is Crocus cancellatus and Crocus karduchorum in flower.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Cyril L on September 18, 2014, 10:08:48 PM
Dirk, wonderful Crocus karduchorum, in its best form.  The much divided stigma is so delicate.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 19, 2014, 01:10:23 PM
Crocus kotschyanus is well in flower today.

Crocus kotschyanus ssp. kotschyanus (dark blue form)
Crocus kotschyanus ssp. kotschyanus ('white' flowering type)
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 19, 2014, 01:10:58 PM
Crocus kotschyanus 'Reliance'
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: tonyg on September 19, 2014, 08:52:33 PM
Crocus niveus - been in the garden for over a decade.  Found a new home in a raised bed last year and seems happy there.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Janis Ruksans on September 20, 2014, 06:16:24 PM
I almost finished replanting of collection. Still left Ornithogalums - approximately 150 stocks, so around 200 pots. Of course I will help to Liga with replanting of business stocks - still left around half - Scilla, Muscari, Ornithogalum, Allium, tulips, Irises and aroids, but now I'm more free with other activities and will have more time for forum.
So this time I want to show you some plants and nursery
On first picture pots with replanted Crocus collection. There are more than 1500 stocks or more than 2000 pots. Still I wait for some super-rarities from my friends, so some more stocks will be added in following days.
The next is not crocus but with similar flowers - Sternbergia colchiciflora. This autumn it blooms unusually abundantly. I suppose that it was induced by very hot summer and good watering after replanting. On picture stock collected in Turkey at Ziyarertpesi gecidi where are growing a lot of fantastic bulbs between those C. cappadocicus and Crocus from biflorus group similar to C. schneideri.
The first of Crocus speciosus group every season is Crocus ilgazensis. Here flowers from stock originally collected by me on Ilgaz Dag. I have some other stocks got from Gothenburg and from Potterton & Martin. They bloomed a little earlier but with much smaller flowers. By other features - those early dwarfs completely respond to description given by Brian Mathew. If this (pictured) plant would not be ciollected by myself at locus classicus - I would be a little doubtfull for size of flowers. Phantastic plant! When I collected it, flowers were half wilted, just at end of blooming. There are some earlier speciosus, too - but they are exceptional forms from Crimea, occupied by Russia now. They still are not named, but I hope to describe Crimean speciosus as C. puringhiorum, in honour of Latvian botanist who first described Crocus tauricus.
Crocus mazziaricus Mt. Kiliani Greece I got from Jim Archibald by his wish. Elegant and good grower.
And as last today - most painful for me crocus. It is Crocus brachyfilius described by I. Schneider, but before him by me as C. speciosus subsp. elegans. Genetical research confirmed that both are identical. I was too cautious describing it as subspecies. If I would have more courage and background of institutes and genetic laboratories.. but I'm only amateur. Of course name Crocus elegans most perfectly responds to beauty of its flowers, but rules of international code now preference gives to epithet C. brachyfilus. Pity to loose two names in one year (another is Puschkinia kurdica - which name appeared 12 days after Turkish publication although my article was given to publisher 2 months earlier) but such is life...
Janis
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: pehe on September 21, 2014, 05:49:34 PM
Nice to see some Crocus flowers from Latvia!

C. speciosus has started flowering. This is an early flowering clone I got from my Dads garden.
Crocus banaticus self seeds all over my garden even in my lawn.
This C. banaticus seedling looks odd
A second flower on C. karduchorum

Poul
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Janis Ruksans on September 23, 2014, 05:15:10 AM
Today again are cold and rainy – if last days where as fantastic Indian summer, now we returned to real autumn. Yesterday I finished replanting of collection. Still left business bulbs but that is not more my problem. I will work at Liga’s nursery only as “consultant”.
Some more pictures from last sunny and warm days.
At first are pictures of two very nice Crocus damascenus (earlier regarded as subsp. of cancellatus) – the best form from Kubbe gec, another from Mazikiran.
Then is picture of new Crocus puringhiorum. It is former speciosus from Crimea, Ukraine, now occupied by Russia. Last autumn I succeed to visit Crimea and to prepare type herbariums, but still need to find good morphological features to separate this, although genetically it is very different from other speciosus group crocuses.
What is Crocus speciosus from vicinity of Pinarbasi, Turkey – I still don’t know. Morphologically by flower it looks similar to C. ilgazensis, but it is not my collection and I didn’t see wild population of it to make some decision. Working in Turkey for foreign botanists now is quite difficult, so I will leave this question without answer. This locality is quite far to South from locus classicus of C. ilgazensis, but may be it is growing in much larger area than supposed earlier.
And last is picture of last flowers of Crocus scharojanii flavus. This season it started blooming later than usually and not so abundantly as a year before, but is nice as always.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 23, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
I got this crocus as crocus nudiflorus. It forms stolons and the leaves appaers long after the flowers.
But the throat isn't colorless. Can someone help me with the ID? Is this crocus nudiflorus? (or is this a virus infected plant)?
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 23, 2014, 06:21:10 PM
Janis, the crocus damascenus from mazikiran is wonderful! What was the previous name of damascenus? Crocus cancellatus ssp. ..?
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: tonyg on September 23, 2014, 08:01:53 PM
I got this crocus as crocus nudiflorus. It forms stolons and the leaves appaers long after the flowers.
But the throat isn't colorless. Can someone help me with the ID? Is this crocus nudiflorus? (or is this a virus infected plant)?
Yes could be C. nudiflorus BUT C. serotinus salzmannii occasionally makes stolons and it can also be somewhat feathered in it's colouring.  Yours is very deep colour compared to those I have seen.  The dark colour is more typical of C. nudiflorus.
Virus?  hard for me to say.  Janis is expert in this.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Cyril L on September 24, 2014, 05:00:04 PM
Two easy crocus in the open garden, slightly different from the usual:

Crocus pulchellus with dark veins
Crocus kotschyanus cappadocicus ssp. kotschyanus with pink/purple flowers (with one of the more usual colour in the background)
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Matt T on September 24, 2014, 05:09:04 PM
The sun came out today and so did these Crocus, which have been sitting as unopened buds for a while (hence some slight weather damage).

Crocus banaticus
Crocus cartwrightianus
Crocus kotschyanus leucopharynx
Crocus mathewii
Crocus medius
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Janis Ruksans on September 24, 2014, 05:26:55 PM
I got this crocus as crocus nudiflorus. It forms stolons and the leaves appaers long after the flowers.
But the throat isn't colorless. Can someone help me with the ID? Is this crocus nudiflorus? (or is this a virus infected plant)?
Seem to be nudiflorus although I haven't such form, but about virus infection - of course it was my first opinion. Certainly check the leaves. It looks suspicious.
Janis
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 24, 2014, 05:28:41 PM
The sun came out today and so did these Crocus, which have been sitting as unopened buds for a while (hence some slight weather damage).

Crocus banaticus
Crocus cartwrightianus
Crocus kotschyanus leucopharynx
Crocus mathewii
Crocus medius


Beautiful Matt. Here there is stil not much happening .
The only two flowering are kotschyanus and banaticus but beside this two it is silent in Crocus land.   
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on September 24, 2014, 06:03:46 PM
Nice set Matt.

My first one of the season-Crocus longiflorus. This one grown from Crocus Group seed 2009, sown October 2009 and flowered for the first time last year.

Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Yann on September 24, 2014, 06:06:45 PM
Very nice David.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on September 24, 2014, 07:26:36 PM
Thanks Yann.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Yann on September 24, 2014, 07:43:31 PM
Kriss same here, nothing flowering but some pots have the substrat spliting a bit.
Temperatures are dropping down we should get some buds within few weeks now.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 25, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Autumn has started in Germany, too:
011 - Crocus salzmanni two forms, nudiflorus and cancellatus
015 - Crocus kotschyanus, Cyclamen hederifolium and an unknown Colchicum
024 - Crocus nudiflorus, kotschyanus and speciosus in my lawn
025 - Crocus kotschyanus leucopharynx and Cyclamen hederifolium
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 25, 2014, 01:34:11 PM
Two plants that I thought were dead after the 2012 black frost - no flowers in the following season,
but two years later they flower like nothing has happened:
016 - Colchicum aggripinum
022 - Crocus cambessedesii, started with one corm in 2011
014 - Crocus nudiflorus
035 - Cyclamen cilicium, never saw such a dark flower, all my plants are bright rosy
008 - Crocus hadriaticus - hasn't survived, this one was a gift from Dirk Schnabel  :D
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 25, 2014, 01:40:14 PM
032 - Crocus ligusticus/medius, the original wild plant is much better than the trade form.
036 - Crocus kotschyanus Albus growing in the sandbed for tender plants that I built after the disaster
026 - Crocus salzmannii, two forms
033 - More Crocus ligusticus to come between this Cyclamen purpurascens
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Boyed on September 25, 2014, 02:19:20 PM
I got this crocus as crocus nudiflorus. It forms stolons and the leaves appaers long after the flowers.
But the throat isn't colorless. Can someone help me with the ID? Is this crocus nudiflorus? (or is this a virus infected plant)?

Ruben, I also not bad in identifying viruses. I even 'smell' virused plants. You speciman is very unusual, but I do not think it is virused.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on September 25, 2014, 02:23:43 PM
Hi Hubi! We are very happy to see that some of the losses you thought you had suffered in the black frost are now showing themselves again. It's good news!
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 25, 2014, 02:29:03 PM
Thanks Maggi - I'm also happy. Seems like only the leaves died in 2012,
but many of the below-surface-parts have survived   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 25, 2014, 03:18:54 PM
Hi Zhirair,thank you for answering! I will wait for the leaves and post them again. I hope it hasn't got virus.

Woow Thomas,  that Crocus cambessedesii is soo nice! I have one bub of it but no sign of it yet!

For me crocus boryi was flowering well today.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on September 25, 2014, 03:49:45 PM
Fine C. boryi portrait, Ruben.

I must apologise to you for being so late in offering my good wishes to you and Eshley  on the birth  (http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=1551.0)of your beautiful daughter Hannah - I wish you all health and happiness!  :-*

Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 25, 2014, 05:14:43 PM
Kriss same here, nothing flowering but some pots have the substrat spliting a bit.
Temperatures are dropping down we should get some buds within few weeks now.

Sometimes it is hard to wait longer  Yann  ;D
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 25, 2014, 05:18:55 PM
Two plants that I thought were dead after the 2012 black frost - no flowers in the following season,
but two years later they flower like nothing has happened:
016 - Colchicum aggripinum
022 - Crocus cambessedesii, started with one corm in 2011
014 - Crocus nudiflorus
035 - Cyclamen cilicium, never saw such a dark flower, all my plants are bright rosy
008 - Crocus hadriaticus - hasn't survived, this one was a gift from Dirk Schnabel  :D

Great show Thomas and glad to hear from you again . Do you grow cambessedesii outside in your garden ?
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: johnw on September 25, 2014, 08:46:53 PM
Thanks Maggi - I'm also happy. Seems like only the leaves died in 2012, but many of the below-surface-parts have survived   :D :D :D

Very good news indeed Thomas.

johnw - +19c
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Boyed on September 26, 2014, 06:21:44 AM
Hi Zhirair,thank you for answering! I will wait for the leaves and post them again. I hope it hasn't got virus.

Hello Ruben,

You should certainly check the leaves. Just for your info, I would like to add, that when crocus blooms show colour break it doesn't mean that the leaves should show mosaic symptoms and the opposite. These are different viral deseases.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 26, 2014, 06:24:12 AM
Yes Kris, the surviving cambessedesii grows in the open garden.
Unfortunately the ones that I grew in baskets all died. Seems
like growing in plantbaskets is not the best way..... 80% of my
collection growing in baskets died. Now I have everything planted
directly into the soil.
Does somebody have similar experiences?
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: art600 on September 26, 2014, 09:30:53 AM
Yes Kris, the surviving cambessedesii grows in the open garden.
Unfortunately the ones that I grew in baskets all died. Seems
like growing in plantbaskets is not the best way..... 80% of my
collection growing in baskets died. Now I have everything planted
directly into the soil.
Does somebody have similar experiences?

Sadly yes
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: tonyg on September 26, 2014, 11:16:33 AM
Sadly yes
Some crocuses have survived in the 10cm net pots, Colchicum cupanii and Sternbergia 'angustifolia' too but generally I have to agree that net pots are not great for crocus.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 26, 2014, 11:54:40 AM
I use always net baskets for all my bulbs (tulipa, crocus, galanthus...) and never had problems. Ist allready the 8 year i use those baskets.
Every year i pick up the baskets and devide the bulbs (seems to be important for the crocusses). I also have very sandy soil and my garden never collects water. So the risk of bulb rot because of the water is small. If you have more heavy soil i can understand net baskets aren't good.
I use the net baskets otherwise the rodents pick up the bulbs   >:(

Crocus niveus was flowering well today
Crocus goulimyii selected at Monemvasia Greece is also doing well.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 26, 2014, 12:14:35 PM
Ruben, you might be right that it's your sandy soil - I have loamy soil, mixed up with sand, but still not sandy.
Do you need some more baskets?   How many hundreds do you want.... ?
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 26, 2014, 12:26:07 PM
Thomas, thanks for the offer but last year i bought 1000 baskets so i have enough for the moment  ;D
I also never have more than 5 crocus mature bulbs in one basket - so they have enough space. If i have enough stock i plant my extra bulbs in a new spot in the garden.
Forms with stolons (nudiflorus ...) I plant in open ground. 
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 26, 2014, 12:33:25 PM
OK Ruben - I think 1000 is enough for this year  ;)
If you need more, just let me know....
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: WimB on September 26, 2014, 02:42:07 PM
A few in flower here now:

Crocus cancellatus subsp. mazziaricus
Crocus hadriaticus subsp. hadriaticus f. lilacinus (2 x)
Crocus speciosus 'Alba'
Crocus speciosus 'Oxonian'
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 26, 2014, 02:45:49 PM
Wow, speciosus Albus is still one of the best autumn crocus  :o

Wim, the style of your hadriaticus looks more like cartwrightianus.....but whatever it is: It's a wonderful plant !
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: WimB on September 26, 2014, 02:54:19 PM
Wow, speciosus Albus is still one of the best autumn crocus  :o

Wim, the style of your hadriaticus looks more like cartwrightianus.....but whatever it is: It's a wonderful plant !

That's possible, Thomas, received it this year from a friend... I like it though!
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 28, 2014, 10:22:23 AM
2 new species in flower today.
Crocus kotschyanus ssp. cappadocicus with very nice veins in the flower.
Crocus cancellatus ssp. mazziaricus.

Both from Janis Ruksans nursery.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Pauli on September 28, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
Hello,

 Crocus season starting in Austria too!
goulimyi und g. leucanthus
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: udo on September 28, 2014, 06:54:08 PM
Nice pictures from all.
Here after some days with rain a weekend in full sun:

Crocus kotschyanus
    ``           ``         f.leucopharynx
    ``    gilanicus x kotschyanus
    ``    karduchorum `Album`
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: udo on September 28, 2014, 06:57:58 PM
and more:
Crocus nudiflorus
    ``         ``       `Orla`
    ``    pulchellus
    ``    `Netsuke`, speciosus x pulchellus from Leonid Bondarenko
   
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: pehe on September 28, 2014, 07:00:57 PM
Very nice Dirk!

Crocus nudiflorus

Poul
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: pehe on September 28, 2014, 07:03:35 PM
Crocus banaticus
Crocus speciosus
Crocus vallicola
Crocus gilanicus

Poul
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: udo on September 28, 2014, 07:03:49 PM
and the last:
Crocus hadriaticus ssp.parnonicus, thanks Thomas Huber
    ``    pallasii
    ``    mathewii in several forms
    ``          ``      selection
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 28, 2014, 07:32:00 PM
Very nice Dirk!

I especially like the kardochorum 'Album' and the mathewii selection!
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on September 28, 2014, 07:35:46 PM
Congratulations Croconuts - what fabulous flowers you are growing   8) 8)
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: tonyg on September 28, 2014, 07:44:22 PM
The favourable autumn weather is producing dividends here too.  Crocus have been showing in the garden for a week or two and are now approaching their peak display.  In the frames today was the first day with a proper display, watering after repotting only started about ten days ago.

Three forms of Crocus mathewii in flower on the same day .... the best possible start to the season?

Maggi - I have not forgotten that CD.  Life is a series of crises at present but the Crocus Group Archive will reach you sooner or later  :)
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: tonyg on September 28, 2014, 07:46:42 PM
Crocus tournefortii -my favourite autumn crocus.  Sorry to mathewii fans but this is a great doer in garden or frame and has the most beautiful flowers ... with the leaves.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on September 28, 2014, 08:04:25 PM
Thanks for the note, Tony.
Those flowers are a great pick me up for stress, I hope.

I do agree your tournefortii are just glorious - those fuzzy styles are irresistible - but my heart is still with the incomparable blackcurrant-hearted C. mathewi -exquisite!
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: tonyg on September 28, 2014, 08:14:43 PM
A couple more since it has been such a good day here  :)

Crocus tournefortii with Crocus pulchellus albus among others.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: johnw on September 28, 2014, 08:15:03 PM
Crocus kotschyanus ex Janis Ruksans today.

johnw - +23c & brilliant
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 28, 2014, 08:40:01 PM
Crocus tournefortii -my favourite autumn crocus.  Sorry to mathewii fans but this is a great doer in garden or frame and has the most beautiful flowers ... with the leaves.

This is so wonderfull  to see Tony. 
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 28, 2014, 08:43:25 PM
Great mathewii's Dirk and Tony  :o :o :o .

Here Crocus time stil has to start ........Except for banaticus , the first goulimyi and kotschyanus .

I don't know why but I suppose the main reason is the fact that it is stil to warm here ? (25 degrees during day and even 14 degrees at night )
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 28, 2014, 08:47:27 PM
Crocus kotschyanus ex Janis Ruksans today.
johnw - +23c & brilliant

Hummm, Crocus in combination with caudex plants John ? 
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 28, 2014, 08:50:51 PM
Crocus gilanicus
Poul

Seems a gilanicus with big flowers Poul ? Mine has much smaller flowers.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: tonyg on September 28, 2014, 08:51:50 PM
Great mathewii's Dirk and Tony  :o :o :o .

Here Crocus time stil has to start ........Except for banaticus , the first goulimyi and kotschyanus .

I don't know why but I suppose the main reason is the fact that it is stil to warm here ? (25 degrees during day and even 14 degrees at night )
We have warm days but many nights have been much cooler.  I worry about root rot when we have very warm weather after the potted crocus have been watered.  Once I lost a lot of plants to this problem.  Warm and wet at the root is not good for crocus.  A good thing that yours are still sleeping.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: johnw on September 28, 2014, 11:09:23 PM
Hummm, Crocus in combination with caudex plants John ?

Nerines just stripped of their old tunics Kris. ;)  Only one caudex plant here I'm sorry to say.

johnw
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 29, 2014, 12:27:38 PM
A first flower on Crocus biflorus ssp. melantherus. I've got this selection since 2012 but flowers for me the first time.
Another collection flowers allways around Christmas.

Is this Crocus biflorus ssp. melantherus? What could be the reason that it flower so early?
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: art600 on September 29, 2014, 02:02:57 PM
Some Crocus pulchellus.  Very variable in colour and size!
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Tony Willis on September 29, 2014, 03:35:34 PM
In flower today

Crocus hadriaticus ssp hadriaticus forma lilacina with a white one in the background.
Crocus mathewii
Crocus pulchellus
Crocus niveus
Crocus robertianus
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: art600 on September 29, 2014, 04:28:46 PM
Tony

Excellent plants as usual.  Particularly like the Niveus

Arthur
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: pehe on September 29, 2014, 05:50:16 PM
Seems a gilanicus with big flowers Poul ? Mine has much smaller flowers.

In fact it is rather small.
I've just been out measuring: The closed flower is 3,5 cm long versus vallicola which is 6 cm.

Poul
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: udo on September 29, 2014, 07:02:18 PM
Many thanks Poul, Ruben and Kris.
It seems to become a good flowery autumn.

Ruben, i have also the first shots from Crocus melantherus.
Maybe the early spring still works, or we get an early winter.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Janis Ruksans on September 30, 2014, 04:47:55 AM
Dirk, fantastic white Crocus karduchorum! Envy you for such beauty.

With me started more abundant blooming and only this morning I finished typing of planting book for autumn crocuses so now I had time for Forum.
At first Crocus autranii – I finally got authentical wild plants.
The next is the darkest Crocus banaticus seen by me and most surprisingly – it is seedling of white C. banaticus ‘Snowdrift’.
Following is very typical Crocus bolensis from speciosus family collected by me at Abant Lake.
Next picture is of true Crocus oreocreticus grown from seeds collected by Marcus on Crete. Previous stocks unfortunately turned mix with hadriaticus (were bought by me from good grower) I tried to clean, but again some hadriaticus appeared this year.
And as the last today – best of Crocus suworovianus stocks HN-0114 – originally collected by my Czech friend and in my book erroneously published as C. hakkariensis which really is much less spectacular.
Janis
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on September 30, 2014, 01:11:50 PM
 Janis : Both Ian and I are speechless at the beauty of that  C. suworovianus  HN-0114  8)
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Steve Garvie on September 30, 2014, 01:21:01 PM
Janis : Both Ian and I are speechless at the beauty of that  C. suworovianus  HN-0114  8)
A stunning Crocus Janis!!!
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Janis Ruksans on September 30, 2014, 03:40:46 PM
Today some white bloomers – day was very sunny and flowers nicely opened.
At first white form of Crocus pallasii from its locus classicus – Crimea. Flowers a little old, so not of best shape, but still glistening white
From Crimea comes white form of Crocus puringhiorum now puringiorum, comparing with following albino of Crocus bolensis note the position of stigma (both are from speciosus family)
Crocus vallicola from Caucasus – note the very typical tips of petals
As last in this entry (for some more colour) – excellent form of Crocus mathewii – JJJ-020.
Janis
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Janis Ruksans on September 30, 2014, 03:44:14 PM
Two more whites
Crocus cartwrightianus
and Crocus mazziaricus from Pellopones
Janis
P.S. Maggi and Ian - many thanks for compliments. I like HN-0114 very much, too
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Yann on September 30, 2014, 05:58:47 PM
Nice sets Janis
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: ruben on September 30, 2014, 06:11:47 PM
Stunning Crocusses Janis!!
Especially Crocus suworovianus stocks HN-0114 ! I hope to grow this form once in my garden!  ;D
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Tim Ingram on September 30, 2014, 09:53:18 PM
This is a crocus we must grow! C. speciosus 'Oxonian' in Paul Powis' garden today. Paul gave the garden a thorough watering a few days ago and these have seemingly appeared overnight. Here we are still very dry and only a few flowers of speciosus are up, but this dark form is stunning.
Title: Re: Crocus September 2014
Post by: Matt T on September 30, 2014, 11:33:36 PM
What a glorious swathe! Great picture, Tim.
I know some folk aren't so keen on those that bloom without the leaves, but I love the way they pop up without warning. They're just magic, not rare or expensive and easy to grow - who couldn't love these autumn blooming Crocuses?
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