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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: fermi de Sousa on August 01, 2014, 07:50:58 AM
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In flower today, one of Graham's (I think) N.cyclamenius hybrids, 'Papa Snoz'
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fermi
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Narcissus romieuxii grown from AGS Seedex a few years ago,
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fermi
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Hi Fermi
Yes Papa Snoz is one of ours. It is a diploid and therefore fertile with our diploid miniature seedlings (standards and cyclamineus hybrids). It is good as both a seed and pollen parent. it gives good seedlings - we have some nice 6W-Y's from it. Like Papa Snoz, they tend to have short stems - a desirable quality in miniatures or rock garden size plants.
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Some more photos. This time the focus is on some of what I term our pot daffodils. Too large to be miniature so they would be classed as dwarf intermediates. Often they have flowers that are more than 50 mm but not much more and they usually come on short and often miniature stems. They are ideal for things like pots and alpine gardens. A lot of our breeding material is lacking in perianth width. However, as you will see we are now producing pot miniatures that are of exhibition form and have the texture and substance and petal width of standard daffodils. It has taken us a while to get to this point. We have acquired some pot miniatures from Glenbrook Bulb Farm in Tasmania to assist our breeding program. They are called Cedrics. The 1Y-Y pot daffodil in the photos below is on a stem that is about 10 cm high on opening.
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As you can see from the photos our pot daffodils come in quite a variety of colours. They can be bred down to miniature simply by crossing with N. asturiensis variety vasconicus. The Little Beauty x Gipsy Queen is miniature and has amazing petal coverage.
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A few more photos.
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Last post for the evening. Lots of things to do.
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Hi Fermi
Yes Papa Snoz is one of ours. It is a diploid and therefore fertile with our diploid miniature seedlings (standards and cyclamineus hybrids). It is good as both a seed and pollen parent...
Sadly all the pollen was gone when I checked this morning! I've used pollen from "Tatiana" on it (I got this from a friend as "Tatiana x N.cyclamenius" but it's possibly 'Titania' x N.c)
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fermi
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I was a bit disappointed when seed from 'Smarple' (10W-W) yielded this bright yellow "hoop".
On reflection I realise now that it's the earliest yellow hoop in the garden though not huge it has green petals, so may be useful in breeding :)
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fermi
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Enjoying your posts, folks!
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Glad you're taking a break from packing and re-planting to enjoy them, Anne (or have you finally got the minions to do that? ;D )
Here's another hybrid I raised - using pollen of 'Mondieu' on a form (not recorded!) of Narc. romieuxii,
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fermi
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I am attaching a photo of one of our smaller miniatures that would be ideal for exhibition at alpine garden shows. It is small and grows well in pots. The stem is very dwarf. It is a bicolor so it is unusual.
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I don't care what anybody thinks about this word - sometimes the only appropriate word to succinctly express an opinion is "cute"
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Occasionally it needs a 'very' before it! :)
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In my case always ;)
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I don't care what anybody thinks about this word - sometimes the only appropriate word to succinctly express an opinion is "cute"
Occasionally it needs a 'very' before it! :)
In my case always ;)
So....Maggi is cute, Anne is very cute and David is always cute! Sounds about right ;D
This is the pot shown above (reply#1) of seedlings raised from AGS Seedex of Narcissus romieuxii ex 'Julia Jane' - at least these 4 look close to "mum"!
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fermi
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I would have said David was cuddly rather than cute. ;D
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I've put myself down as both Lesley ;D
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Some other mini-daffs from Keira last year are flowering again now,
a section of the "Keira Bulb Bed" ;D
Narc.KB -20-2002 (6 Y-Y)
Narc. KB-BH -white -small-1-04 (10 W-W)
Narc. KB-M-23-02 (6 Y-Y)
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fermi
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A few more open today,
Narc. KB-M- 6 WW -4 -08 (from Keira Bulbs - it should fade to white)
Narc. KB-M-34-2000 (also from Keira)
Narc. 'Ken's Cross' (about what?? ;D )
Narc. cordubensis - growing through Jasminum parkii
Narcissus hispanicus (or is it? I got 2 bulbs from the supplier under this name and the other has a somewhat different flower)
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fermi
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I love them all :o
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Fermi I would be using KB-M-6W-W-4-08 on some of your other seedlings. It is a very good exhibition flower and fertile both ways.
I will join Fermi in showing some of Keira Bulbs seedlings. The first group will show what happens when you grow a lot of seedlings. It is a double headed micro mini double. At first I thought it was a split cup but on closer examination I realised it was a double as it had lots of petals. What is missing is the cup. Of course it is one for Lesley. Our miniature split cups are also starting to open. Lesley look in the background for the split starting to open.
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Some more Keira Bulbs seedlings. The miniature 1Y-P is very nice.
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More Keira Bulbs seedlings.
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More Keira Bulbs seedlings. Another big day of hybridising. I did a lot of crosses to get miniature 6W-O's, 6Y-O's, 1W-O's and 1Y-O's. I also did bit of bulbocodium hybridising. I have N. tenuifolius flowering much earlier than normal so I have put it onto our small white bulbocodiums. I have also put Mondieu pollen onto some of our seedling bulbocodiums. It is a very strange season. We have had our coldest winter in 40 years but we have a lot of bulbs flowering much earlier than normal. It is incomprehensible. The pinks are not colouring up much this year.
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This may be a pretty tall order but, I was given some bulbs of this little dwarf Nacissus and I've never had a name for it. I hate not knowing what I'm growing, it bugs me no end... Can anyone ID it from this photo?
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3857/14881854655_c29d8b572f.jpg)
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Hi Jamus,
it looks like a campernelle, Narcissus x odorus,
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fermi
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Thanks Fermi, I think you got it. I reckon that's it... good enough for me. :)
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Some more photos.
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More photos.
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Some more photos.
The 1W-W is interesting. A slight asymmetry to the tips of the tepals? Gives quite a pleasing sweep and the soft yellow flush is nice.
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Last post for the evening.
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The lack of symmetry means it is ok for breeding but not any good for exhibition.
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Jamus the campernelle Narcissus is one of my favourites. I have one clump that reliably flowers each year but doesn't seem to increase much.
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Pat I love it too. The woman who gave it to me said it was hoop petticoat, but it was in leaf at the time and I could plainly see it wasn't. I got a nice surprise when it flowered for the first time. A charming little daffodil I agree.
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Last post for the evening.
So we're standing to attention and looking suitably serious. :)
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I even love the double campanelle, N. x odorus campernellii 'Plenus,' though I think I've lost it now. :'(
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Just to prove we don't just grow daffs from Keira Bulbs, here's a clump of one of Rod Barwick's "Little Detectives" - either Kholmes or Smarple, I think,
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fermi
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Lovely, Fermi! Is the colour reproduction accurate in your pic? Such a lovely shade on a bulbocodium. It's clearly enjoying your conditions.
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Hi Matt,
yes, it's close to the colour in "real life" - a soft lemon, so I think they are classed as 10 Y-Y, those some of the others are considered 10 W-W.
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fermi
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Another one of Keira Bulbs' Narc. cyclamineus hybrids, KB-N-28-2000,
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fermi
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Another "Little Detective", 'Kojak',
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fermi
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this one is stunning.
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Mmmm, a really honey. The foliage looks quick substantial compared to the usual bulbocodium group forms. Do you know the parentage here Fermi?
Another look tells me that there is a quite different daff behind it, so the foliage is probably typical after all. Still, the flowers are really thick textured so the parentage would still be of interest. The frilling at the edges is really nice.
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Hi Lesley,
I'm not sure about the breeding for 'Kojak' - I'll have to dig out one of Rod's catalogues and see if it's listed.
Here's one of the Narcissus cantabricus grown from seed Rafa collected in Madrid, sown in 2010,
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fermi
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Fermi & Lesley,
Daffseek is a great resource for info on Narcissus. Here the details held for N. 'Kojak': http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?cultivar=Kojak&lastpage=1& (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?cultivar=Kojak&lastpage=1&)
Especially for hybrids and cultivars, as it give details of parentage (where known), as well as whether that plant has been used as a parent itself. Just enter the name of your daffy in the query box on the query page/homepage and hit 'enter': http://daffseek.org/ (http://daffseek.org/)
Checking the 'expanded menu' tick box you can also search on seed and/or pollen parent, i.e. if you are planning a cross and want to check out if it has been done before and whether any cultivars resulted from it.
A very helpful resource.
Cheers,
Matt
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Hi Lesley,
I'm not sure about the breeding for 'Kojak' - I'll have to dig out one of Rod's catalogues and see if it's listed.
Here's one of the Narcissus cantabricus grown from seed Rafa collected in Madrid, sown in 2010,
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fermi
Oh, the crystalline glitter! And the frilled corona! Gorgeous.
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Thanks for that Matt. I know it exists but should actually USE it, when I'm looking for something.
I have some of that seed from Rafa Fermi. You may have sent it to me or maybe it was Anthony. None flowered yet but if they're anything like that I'll be really chuffed. :D
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Fermi, our bulbs are doing well for you. It also looks like Rod Barwick's bulbs do well for you as well. If those who live in the UK look at Dryad's list you will see the ubiquitous "K" in the parentage of many of Anne Wright's seedlings.
Anyway, a few more photos of Keira Bulbs' seedlings.
There are lot of things flowering at the moment that are flowering much earlier than normal. One of these is N. dubius. It will provide us with some interesting hybridising opportunities. We have three pots in our garage at them moment as it has been raining and we don't want to lose the pollen for those opportunities. One of the pots is N. dubius.
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Achieving perfect symmetry in split cup hybridising is a goal for the hybridiser but often you fall short of it and end up with some very odd looking flowers. Here are a few especially for Lesley.
N. cyclamineus is also flowering at the moment.
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Some photos of something really special. It is an all apricot miniature cyclamineus hybrid. The colour in the photos of the petals does not properly reflect the true colour of the petals.
As it has been raining I don't have as many photos as I would normally have as I spent more time hybridising before the rain set in.
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This Narcissus romieuxii type is flowering where I don't remember planting one, so probably a seedling, but possibly a stray bulb - looks a lot like Rod Barwick's selection 'Mondieu',
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fermi
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You really do have some cracking hoops, Fermi!
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MonDieu (in french) was the exclamation at the sight of this beauty!
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According to Rod's 2006 catalogue Kojak is bred from Spoirot x a sibling.
Does he mean a sibling of Spoirot? I have always thought that Olumbo looked very much the same cross.
Spoirot is bred from N. bulbocodium ssp conspicuous x N. cantabricus ssp foliosus.
According to his 2012 catalogue Olumbo is a sibling of Mitimoto. Mitimoto is bred from N. b. conspicuous x Nylon. So much for my theory!
I seem to remember Kojak having a very nice scent. Or is that Olumbo? I'd better go and check first hand!
Cheers, Marcus
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I seem to remember Kojak having a very nice scent.
Cheers, Marcus
Did he wear a man perfume do you think? or maybe it was his aftershave. He'd need a lot of that on top. :)
Sorry. What I especially liked in Fermi's 'Kojak' was the very thick-seeming texture of the flower. It would stand the weather well, even today's, more snow and sleet.
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I don't know about the man perfume but he was always impeccably dressed and had a very shiny pate ... unlike Olumbo who was perpetually dishevelled and spoke like he had a horse's bit permanently stuck between his molars. Although he did make a very good, if not unusual, angel in Wim Wender's classic, Wings of Desire, not the crappy USA version).
Both the above do have very thick textured flowers, upright and tall stems.
Don't worry about the sleet. Lots of sun on its way!
Cheers, Marcus
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You really do have some cracking hoops, Fermi!
Thanks, Anne,
they seem to do well here :)
Here's a clump of 'Mitimoto' (GBF Nylon Group x N.bulbocodium ssp bulbocodium v. conspicuous)
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fermi
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Sleet has stopped but still very cold. I'm off to 3 nurseries tomorrow with a couple of friends, so hope it's a bit warmer. I have a substantial order to collect from Hokonui and it is the open day (weekend) at the Telford Hellebore nursery. I foresee another expensive day. ::)
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Leave your credit card and cheque book at home, Lesley ;D
Here are a couple more from Keira Bulbs:
'Turland's Gold'
A Narcissus triandrus hybrid
cheers
fermi
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Leave your credit card and cheque book at home, Lesley ;D
What a spoilsport you are Fermi. ;D
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Leave your credit card and cheque book at home, Lesley ;D
What a spoilsport you are Fermi. ;D
That wouldn't help, fermi, the little bandit already has a pre-order at her beloved Hokonui!
( Enjoy the retail therapy, Lesley!)
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That's correct Maggi and in any case, they've had my credit card number from way back! Having said that, I'll have to be very careful with its use for some time as on Thursday I picked up from the framer, a picture I've been having reframed at astronomical cost. It's worth it and the result is stunning so I don't regret a cent of it but it has brought my plant excesses up short for the meantime. Maybe I'll post a photo of it, with new, Italian, hand-made frame! :)
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Lesley I have not forgotten your love of split cups so I have included one that is 60mm in diameter. I am sure you are going to buy a whole of them when you go nursey shopping!!
As I have said it is a very unusual year. It is a first for us to N. dubius flowering this early but it is beyond belief that we should have NTT as well. We won't be short of hybridising opportunities that are not the norm this year. I have been busy making use of N. dubius already.
We do lots of crosses so we are never quite sure what will pop up amongst our seedlings. A very unusual miniature jonquilla hybrid whose colour is very unusual. I have no idea what the pollen parent was.
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A few more photos. I have found the new camera and lense makes life much easier than before. I am not stretching the macro abilities of the camera anymore with our tiny miniatures. I am sure you miss my blue backgrounds. They will back!
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Lesley I have not forgotten your love of split cups so I have included one that is 60mm in diameter. I am sure you are going to buy a whole of them when you go nursey shopping!!
Hi Graham,
I think this would be one of the few times Lesley will be glad she can't buy from Australia ;D
I especially like that 6Y-W!
Here's the daff I have labelled as 'Mitzy' - now faded to the 6W-W it's supposed to be ....or is it? It's identical to the one Jon B brought to our last AGS VG meeting but Otto thought it was facing outwards too much (rather than downwards); any opinions?
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fermi
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Fermi, there are more pictures on Daffseek of it pointing outwards than there are of it pointing downwards ???
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Thanks, David,
I think it is as labelled :)
Here's another look at a couple of the seedlings from the cross I made between Narc. bulbocodium ssp graellsii and 'Mondieu';
the third seedling is huge compared to a newly opened bloom of seedling#2 (pic #1)!
When it first opens there is an obvious kink in the corona (pic #2) but that seems to even out as it matures to about 5cm/2" across (pic #3)!
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fermi
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Can anyone help me to identify this narcissus?
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3859/14672121717_23a3e6a72e.jpg)
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Hi Jamus,
Good ol' "Paperwhites" Narcissus papyraceus - although it could be a hybrid or selection,
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fermi
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Just noticed that I have 2 pots of Narcissus showing leaf already!
Narcissus bulbocodium var. citrinus and also N. albidus SF15.
I think this is a record for me. We've had some pretty chilly nights (temperatures in single figures) for the last couple of weeks, but daytime temperatures are up again. Those hours spent building the bulb frame over the winter have paid off, as it is doing an excellent job now and giving the bulbs the temperature gradient they need to trigger growth. The sand plunge is damp and many pots have put down roots but I was holding off watering for another week. Given that the plants seem to want to grow I may just do it now.
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Narcissus 'Turland's Gold' from Keira Bulbs
A Narc. triandrus hybrid from KB'
A "lost label" - possibly GBF's 'Bezzababe'
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fermi
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Mondieu!! What are you feeding them on, Fermi!!
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Mondieu!! What are you feeding them on, Fermi!!
Not much! I usually add a few "organic" pellets or a slow release fertilizer when I repot in late summer. The ones in the ground get a water with liquid fertilizer once or twice while in growth.
I'm thinking of using potash powder like Ian Young does, but never remember when it should be put on!
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fermi
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Turland's Gold is an excellent cyclamineus hybrid. Ours is more orange than gold and looking at your photos it is also more orange than gold. It is not one of our seedlings but a seedling of Tony Davis who lives in Bowral. Tony is an excellent hybridiser of standard daffodils although he does dabble in cyclamineus hybrids. Turland's Gold is relatively fertile so you should pollinate it with one of our miniature cyclamineus hybrids.
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Fermi, like us, has a Mediterranean climate and the bulbocodiums like the heat. We had 13 years of drought and our bulbocodiums performed much better than when we had a lot of rain.
Mondieu grows quite large here. Around 50mm.
One of our specialities is growing giant bulbocodiums that are too big for miniature. In other word they exceed 50 mm in diameter. We have registered two giant bulbocodiums, Clay's Gold and Pilgrim Clay, and we have quite a few in the production line. At the moment we have quite a few very large bulbocodium hybrids flowering that I am using for breeding giant bulbocodiums. I am trying to put Mondieu onto large flowers with taller stems.
Pilgrim Clay is just opening and it is going to be huge this year.
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.... One of our specialities is growing giant bulbocodiums that are too big for miniature. In other word they exceed 50 mm in diameter. We have registered two giant bulbocodiums, Clay's Gold and Pilgrim Clay, and we have quite a few in the production line. At the moment we have quite a few very large bulbocodium hybrids flowering that I am using for breeding giant bulbocodiums.........
But what's the point doesn't that produce something that is just totally out of the scale for the species, or is it a "mine's bigger than yours" thing?
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Not much! I usually add a few "organic" pellets or a slow release fertilizer when I repot in late summer. The ones in the ground get a water with liquid fertilizer once or twice while in growth.
I'm thinking of using potash powder like Ian Young does, but never remember when it should be put on!
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fermi
Sulphate of Potash powder is applied when they're in flower, fermi.
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But what's the point doesn't that produce something that is just totally out of the scale for the species, or is it a "mine's bigger than yours" thing?
I bear in mind that Graham's main purpose is to grow daffodils for exhibition - not "our" type of show where plants are exhibited in pots - that is to say for showing in the way of daffodil shows - where blooms are cut and displayed in a vase. This gives a completely different ethos to the process and different attributes are desirable in the blooms.
For alpine gardeners the overall scale of the plant is important to give a neat miniature plant but for showing blooms only the features sought are quite other.
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Sulphate of Potash powder is applied when they're in flower, fermi.
Thanks, Maggi,
I'm afraid "old-timers" disease is setting in :( my memory is just not what it used to be. Must remember that it's Sulphate of Potash!
David,
Graham's breeding focuses on both the small end and large end - he had one of the most amazing little daffs at last year's Canberra Hort. Soc Spring Show!
cheers
fermi
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There are quite a few bulbocodium species that are naturally very large. There is a very large bulbocodium species from France that is very tall and very large. It grows in very wet conditions. I got some seed at some time but I am not sure if it has germinated for me or not.
Anne is also selling seed of a tetraploid bulbocodium that is quite large - Narcissus akersianum.
N. obesus is also a very large flower.
If you have a large population N. bulbocodium conspicuus you are likely to find both big and small.
We grow quite a few forms of N. tenuifolius. There are many truly tiny forms but some are not so tiny.
As a hybridiser our aim is for a large flower on a tall stem similar to the species from France. Nobody wants a tall weak stem with a large flower that flops over in the wind.
We also breed tiny bulbocodiums using our N. tenuifolius. There may be a bit of my flower is bigger than your and there is also a bit of my flower is smaller than yours.
Failure as a miniature breeder is when the flower is truly small but so is the stem so the flower opens at ground level.
We also breed miniature bulbocodiums that are neither large nor overly small. We like to breed different forms that are attractive and in various colours.
Anne, I have attached some photos of some of our giants. What is truly annoying is when the ferals (from dropped seed) is better than what is in our seedling boxes.
As you can see we "throw" our surplus bulbs into our house garden. Daffodils of different kinds are coming up in our house garden including quite a few bulbocodiums.
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Fermi is correct. We are primarily miniature breeders and he has had the advantage of both seeing and growing our seedlings.
If you look at Anne's miniature seedlings you will see a lot of K's. That K is for Keira Bulbs which is my wife and I. We are one of the largest breeders of miniature daffodils in the world. We have bred miniatures in every daffodil division.
However, we do a nice line in giant bulbocodiums that are very sought after for exhibition.
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Size is an interesting thing and in that context the species daffodils are quite diverse.
We seek out small versions of the species for our miniature hybridising. We have some very miniature species that we use in our hybridising programs.
In the US there are quite a few miniature poeticus being exhibited. We have some that are borderline miniature that we have grown from seed sent to us from the US. They are exceptional flowers.
We also have a dwarf for of N. nobilis ssp primagenus. It allows us to breed very late flowering miniature trumpets.
We also have an extremely miniature form of N. assoanus. It is particularly useful for breeding.
If you looked carefully at the photos we have posted of N. triandus you would have seen miniature, intermediate and giant forms of N. triandus.
Our form of N. cyclamineus is not miniature at all. To get very miniature cyclamineus hybrids we use dwarfing species such as N. asturiensis. We have a rare form of N. asturiensis that allows us to breed superior miniature hybrids.
We can breed some things that others can't because we have some fertile hybrids that are not available on the market. This is particularly true of our Division 7 hybridising.
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It takes all sorts, David. The aim of a professional breeder is to please as many people as he can, which means lots of different types/sizes so there is something for all tastes. Flowers for exhibition in daffodil shows are a special case. A flower is classed as miniature purely on the size of the flower, even if it were on a stalk 1m high!
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Anne, it does take all sorts. In our climate we can grow our daffodils outside in conditions similar to those in Spain and they grow like weeds in some cases. We don't have to grow things in glass houses unless we want to grow the autumn flowering daffodils or some kinds of tazetta that prefer warmer climates. What we do have is a shade house for those daffodils that like it damp all year like N. cyclamineus.
In relation to short and tall miniatures I have posted some photos. The smaller flower is the taller. We don't like our miniatures to have stems taller than 10cm. We have the hybridising skills to ensure that is the case.
In Scotland miniatures have long stems compared to ours because of the Scottish growing conditions. Maggie can add the scientific name for this.
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In Scotland miniatures have long stems compared to ours because of the Scottish growing conditions. Maggie can add the scientific name for this.
My pleasure - it is "the ruddy weather" :-X ;)
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My pleasure - it is "the ruddy weather" :-X ;)
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More often than not ! Well, that's often how we feel -though this is our third sunny day in a row ;D
Wonderful though the light is for artists here in the North East, the light levels for plant growth, especially under glass, where we must keep so many plants to be able to maintain them from frost, wet or just to be able to enjoy their flowers in some comfort for us, are not great and so we have to suffer a lot of etiolated stems .... :'(
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And etiolated gardeners too!! :'( :'(
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The significance of etiolation is that the best miniature daffodils for Scotland that are bred in Australia is a smallish flower on a short stout stem. A tall stem with a big flower would not do well in your conditions nor would a large flower on a short weakish stem. I don't think our tall large bulbocodiums would look good if they had a lot taller stem.
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Sorry I came across a bit tetchy yesterday. Put it down to pre-wedding nerves ;D
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Sorry I came across a bit tetchy yesterday. Put it down to pre-wedding nerves ;D
Getting a tad stressed, David? It'll pass when you see the happy couple leave for their honeymoon! Or is that when you'll pass out? Well, something like that, anyway. Have a drink and/or a bar of chocolate and relax :-* :-*
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Getting another wife, David?
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Not likely, I can't afford the one I have! ;D
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Some more Narc. cyclamineus hybrids;
'Tracey'
'Slip'ry'
cheers
fermi
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The daffodil season is well and truly in full swing now.
Lots of intermediate and standard flowers are also blooming.
There is a photo of another one of our giant bulbocodiums. It measure 60 mm in diameter so it is not miniature by any means. All our big bulbocodiums have been named after one of our US friends, Clay Higgins, so I will have to come up with another name variation for this giant.
Sometimes mm's make a lot of difference. We flowered an 11Y-Y hybrid that is 2mm from being miniature. Stem is miniature but flower is just too big. As an intermediate it is worth a fraction of what it would be as a miniature.
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Pilgrim Clay is staggering large this year but the flowers have no pollen.
The 1Y-Y intermediate is product of our breeding down program. Tremendous substance and texture which is only to be expected since our standards have Jackson's Daffodils heritage.
Nice cyclamineus hybrids Fermi. That clump of Tracey looks like it needs lifting after this season.
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I hope you enjoyed the photo with the spider. If the flower is miniature then the spider is indeed tiny. The new macro lense is working a treat when it comes to photos of our miniatures. Much better than our point and click camera.
I hope Lesley enjoyed those split cups and the cyclamineus hybrid double. While the little flower does not quite make miniature it makes a nice pot daffodil. It has 6 splits so it is symmetrical.
One of the pots of bulbocodiums has quite a spectrum of seedlings in terms of size. There is a very large W-Y seedling that is almost certainly a son or daughter of Olumbo (we have found Olumbo a better breeder than Mitimoto).
Tomorrow will be a day of the Triffids. I will be doing some giant bulbocodium hybridising using Goszilla Clay, the 60mm giant bulbocodium.
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some nice ones there! I was out this afternoon crossing a few daffs, so I'll post the results in 4 to 5 years ;D
Here is one of Rod Barwick's "little breeders" - 'Decoy x Swagger' - just opening, so petals haven't reflexed much,
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fermi
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Nice to see all your daffs when I've hardly started repotting mine! Pretty 6W-P, Graham.
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Narcissus minimus received as Narcissus Minimus go Gardens I hope this is the right size Maggii
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Narcissus varduliensis Archibald seed 2008
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Narcissus 'Snipe'
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How super to see your narcissus, Vivienne - I've got a real soft spot for Snipe.
Is there any chance you have a note of the Archibald number for the N. varduliensis ? I can add it to the Archibald plant photos thread. 8) :)
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Yes Maggi I do have a collection number for Narcissus varduliensis 0707.600, I will also have a picture of Narcissus readinganorum in a few days not quite out yet and it is from Archibald seed Number 0704.900. Thank you Snipe is one of my favourites too.
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A few photos of what is flowering today in Canberra.
There are photos of two miniature 1Y-Y seedlings. The larger one is a Keira seedling while the tiny miniature seedling is from Glenbrook Bulb Farm (Rod Barwick). The larger one is a the sort of thing that is ideal for pot culture. It has foliage that is similar to a standard daffodil. Like all good miniatures the flower is above the foliage.
The last photo is of a very good 1Y-W miniature seedling.
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Some more photos.
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Forgot to say that there were some split cups for Leslie in my last post!
A few intermediate sized cyclamineus hybrids.
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Yes Maggi I do have a collection number for Narcissus varduliensis 0707.600, I will also have a picture of Narcissus readinganorum in a few days not quite out yet and it is from Archibald seed Number 0704.900. Thank you Snipe is one of my favourites too.
Yay, excellent! Thanks!
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Narcissus readinganorum Archibald seed 0704.900 as you can see some variation in the flower structure and height . Im not sure which is the correct one
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Graham, I really like the 6y wyy (with spider, mainly on account of its gree :)ny colour. Is it really or is this just a photograph thing? Green flowers are always a hit with me (unlike most splits and doubles ;D).
Also like nos 2 and 4 in replies 98 and 107. These rather elongated forms are really elegant I think and different from what's around already.
A warm welcome to the Forum Vivienne. Pleased you could no longer resist. :) Doubtless Fermi and Otto were nagging at you to get in there. ;D
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Narcissus readinganorum Archibald seed 0704.900 as you can see some variation in the flower structure and height . I'm not sure which is the correct one
Narcissus radinganorum Fern.Casas is a synonym of Narcissus hispanicus Gouan - according to the Kew Plant List.
John Forrest showed plants grown from seed collected by Margaret and Henry Taylor,http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=307.msg7114#msg7114 and here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1195.msg34477#msg34477 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1195.msg34477#msg34477) - you'll see form other posts that the name is, as is often the case, mildly disputed!
and Tony Goode shows one here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=307.msg7316#msg7316 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=307.msg7316#msg7316)
Luc S shows it :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4766.msg143330#msg143330 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4766.msg143330#msg143330)
and there's a nice photo here from Spain:
http://www.florasilvestre.es/mediterranea/Amaryllidaceae/Narcissus_radinganorum.htm (http://www.florasilvestre.es/mediterranea/Amaryllidaceae/Narcissus_radinganorum.htm) so it looks as though the littler chap in the centre of your pic is the one. :)
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Thank you Maggi for all of that helpful information, I think 2 are very different and will have to separate them.
Lesley Hello to you to, I have more time now since we have left our last garden no more 5 to 6 hours of mowing lawns every week.
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My goodness, Vivienne, you won't know what to do with yourself without all that grass to tend - you must feel liberated!
Lots of people moving house these days- jolly hard work it is too, eh?
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Lesley, if you grow enough seedlings you get quite a deal of variety and one of things you do get is some green. Out of the seedling photos I have posted the one with the most green is the Div 7 with N. dubius in its parentage. The colour in my photos is pretty good. It is pink that is the most difficult to capture properly.
The long elegant trumpets come from using our form of N. cyclamineus and trumpet parents. Unfortunately it is not a good way of breeding good miniatures as the trumpets are too long. Most of our standards that flower around the same time as N. cyclamineus are early trumpets so we use them but it does not result in a short compact cup or trumpet. The right technique is to cross N. cyclamineus with N. asturiensis and then cross with a large cup rather than a trumpet.
Long elegant trumpets with somewhat spidery petals are not the preferred form for exhibition Div 6's where the preference is for more of a short straight trumpet with swept back overlapping petals. The shortness of the cup tends to more pronounced in relation to miniatures so the flower measures less than 50mm.
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Here's another KB hoop petticoat -it's labelled KS-BH 1-02 and I've written "cream hoop"
on the label but it's a 10-W-Y so I'm not sure why I've put that on the label!
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It looks big. What is its diameter?