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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: monocotman on March 21, 2014, 08:28:02 PM
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Hi,
first up this year is, as you would expect, formosanum.
My old one died in the hard winter of 2010/11 and this new one has been with me for 18 months.
It came as a couple of nice lareg rhizomes from a kind forumist but just put up four stems last year.
This year is much more like it - about 13 stems and 10 flowers.
Regards,
David
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Looks like the 2014 season is officially off! Very nice formosanum David , mine has a long way to go yet!
Phil
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That's lovely, David. well done. Mine in the pleione house is nearly over and the ones I have outside surprise me every year by not dying. I shall put them in a cold frame before they flower. :) :)
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Maren,
thanks.This pot has to dodge between the greenhouse and outside depending on the weather,
I don't think the flowers would like the frosts.
I've brought the rest of my pots out of the garage in the last week.
Segawai will be the next to flower.
This very mild winter has meant that the flowering times of the hybrids look like they will be much closer together than usual.
Many of the kentuckiense crosses have shoots that are almost as advanced as the fasciolatum crosses,
Regards,
David
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David, what you say about C. kentuckiense is interesting. Mine are 5 inches out of the ground already, most unusual, as they normally flower in late May. ???
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Maren,
very interesting - mine is not showing at all yet, although plenty of the hybrids are!
Kentuckiense comes from warmer climes than most of the species so may not need to 'vernalise' in the cold as much as others.
The mild winter has therefore made it shoot much earlier than usual,
Regards,
David
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Maren,
Just checked the garage and pulled out several pots that should not be shooting yet.
Pixi, Dietrich and a couple of reginae hybrids as well as kentuckiense
These are all generally some of the latest plants to flower.
This year is going to be quite different.
Normally the plants flower over about 6-8 weeks but this year it is going to be
compressed into half that!
David
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Very nice indeed.
Can you give us some idea of location, orientation, soil mix etc.
Thanks,
It is very nice to see formosanum out of doors, I thought being so early it would have to be under glass.
Thanks ,
Glynn
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Germany , USDA - Zone 7 b , Soil mix : akadama , kanuma , perlit and seramis
Regards
Hakone
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Hi,
This charming and diminutive species has become more freely available in recent years.
The plant is about 6 inches high and flowering for the first time.
No special treatment it grows in perlite along with everything else,
Regards,
David
cyp. segawai
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I left mine out all winter because I wasn't happy with them this time last year. Lots of noses are up but not many fat ones. Can I give them a weak feed now?
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Mark,
please do.
I feed mine weekly at this time of year,
David
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cypripedium japonicum
Edit : Apologies - the photos have been removed because of a security issue with their remote hosting site.
Forum Moderator.
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Cypripedium plectrochilon is out today, as is C. debile, although the latter is too difficult to photograph for me!
Alex
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Hi,
nice plectrchilum Alex.
This is the start of the usual hybrids and brings Inge and Michael alba.
Inge took a real set back 4 years ago when I repotted it and it is only just now really starting to motor.
Probably about mid 20's growths and about half the flowers now out. Nice red margin to the lip.
Michael alba is not really alba - more 'light green'. The flowers don't fade to white over time.
Michael is a grex that takes it's time to show it's true potential.
Early flowerings on young plants have weak stems and small flowers.
As the plant get bigger the stems strengthen and develop multiple flowers.
The final photo shows the plants growing on the north side of the greenhouse.
I'm feeding every week at a higher rate than normal and watering probably twice a week.
The flowers needed a bit of fleece protection from the odd frost this week.
I've spaced the pots out a bit more this year and there are more younger plants growing under the staging.
One or two suffered last year due to being overshadowed by other plants.
Regards,
David
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The final photo shows the plants growing on the north side of the greenhouse.
My goodness - you are clearly growing these plants like weeds - they look fantastic.
For clarification - this staging is outside, against the north side greenhouse ?
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Maggi,
you're correct. The pots sit in the garage over winter and come in early March.
The staging stays in the greenhouse over winter and comes out with the cyps.
I don't find them too hard to grow - they're easier than Frits and Onco irises.
I've failed with both of those.
The biggest plants, all hybrids, are now in 10-12 inch pots and some have over 40 growths.
The photo is Gabriela and has somewhere around mid thirties growths and flower buds.
Regards,
David
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I would reply - but I've fainted ! ;)
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What an amazing sight David 8)
I look forward to following your progress through the season.
Do you grow any in the garden?
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Ashley,
sorry - no.
All plants are in pots.
Living in East Anglia I think that they'd suffer in the summer and I'd forget to water them,
Regards,
David
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Golly, Alex, your C. plectrochilum is early. Mine is still thinking about it. ;) ;) ;)
David, what do you grow them in? they look superb.
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Maren,
they're all in about 90% super coarse perlite plus a bit of orchid bark.
Thanks,
David
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Looking good David, can't wait to see some of mine flower. Hopefully better than last year.
Angie :)
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Angie,
I'm looking forward to seeing yours.
Most of mine have increased from last year - just a couple have gone backwards.
A couple of macranthos clones have just put up a single small weak growth.
It isn't clear why.
David
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Interesting to hear about your macranthos clones. I have the same problem. One of my first cyps was a macranthos which is doing well, but I have never quite managed to find one to match it.
Also quite a few blind plants this year, despite (or because of?) having increased in size since last year. I am wondering if the lack of winter is to blame. Many of mine were very late to go dormant and very early to come up.
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Steve,
Very interesting - I have the same problem with regards to blind macranthos growths.
I've had this issue for several years during both very cold ( 2010/11) and warm winters like this one.
This year I have a normal macranthos with 7 large growths and no flowers.
So I don't have an answer. It doesn't correlate with winter temperatures unless they need a narrow window
of winter temperatures.
There are no blindness problems with any other species or hybrid, even with
the closely related species tibeticum, franchetti and froschii,
Regards,
David
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At last!
After more years than I can remember, and so very many leaves, I have finally flowered my Cypripedium japonicum. Still only one flower on a nine shoot plant but hey, who's counting?
I think that this one is down to the lack of winter cold here.
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Steve,
I'm inclined to agree with you about the lack of winter cold.
I've just counted up and there are a couple of ventricosums as well as two macranthos clones and a froschii that have all produced
fewer, weaker new shoots that are initially albino when they first appear.
David
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Updates showing the last week's growth.
Since the nights warmed up at the end of last week and we lost the threat of frost the shoots have really started to move.
The 2nd photo shows 'Gabriela' and 'sabine alba' approaching full bloom.
Between them there are somewhere around 55 flowers.
Gabriela has so many shoots that I've had to support them with thin stakes as they develop otherwise the ones on the edge run
out of room and get pushed over.
I'll remove them when the shoots are fully developed and stronger.
They're pretty weak as they shoot up.
The last photo is the hybrid 'Ursel'. Nice smallish yellow flowers,
David
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Looking good David 8)
Angie :)
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Phantastic!!! :) :) :)
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Hi,
a couple more out today including my new favourite hybrid.
This is a seedling Sabine flowering for the first time, with a very favourable set of characteristics from each parent.
Sabine is usually quite a short grower, inherited from fasciolatum and also usually has
it's slightly bulbous lip.
This clone is taller growing, from the other parent macranthos and also has a nice round lip.
In addition the flower appears to be completely albino and large, about the size of a good tibeticum.
It has only just opened yesterday so should mature and whiten quickly.
It should make quite a potful in a couple of years.
Next up is a fasciolatum that has had a hard life.
I repotted it in 2009 and it must have dried out as it barely appeared in 2010.
Then we had the hard winter of 2010/11 and again was set back.
Now finally getting going with nine growths and seven flowers.
Regards,
David
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Super plants, David.
Here's Cypripedium parviflorum var. parviflorum today.
Alex
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Hi,
a couple of mature plants.
'Sabine alba' now with over twenty flowers and increasing well.
This one is much closer to fasciolatum in height than the previous one posted.
'Inge' now also with over twenty flowers.
David
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Cypripedium tibeticum
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Steve,
excellent colour in that clone!
David
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Both about at their peak for this year.
I'm not sure how much bigger the individual plants will get before starting to go backwards.
Michael Wienert's dictum to split them when they are around 10-15 stems has been left behind a long time ago.
'Pixi' is now up to 55 growths and shows no sign of stopping.
Michael doesn't quite have the flower power of some other hybrids but
the individual flowers are very pretty with all the fine veining,
Regards,
David
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Hakone, great cypripedium!
Your soil mix is akadama , kanuma , perlit and seramis.
Are the plants in that medium in pot and buried in the garden with pot and all? or are they in open ground in that medium?
Which fertilizer you give and how often?
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Couldn't find a general Cyp thread for this year - or did I miss it?
Here is Cypripedium macranthos, doing particularly well this year.
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And a hybrid: Cypripedium 'Pueblo' that might be Cypripedium parviflorum var. pubescens. Your guess...
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I'm merging the various cyp. threads for 2014 to make it easier for people to find.
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My cyp's are starting to show colour so will take photos tonight.
What's your feeding regime David?
Also is it possible for 'blind' plants to regenerate then?
I have a cyp hotei-atsumorianum that was bought with 4 buds but has receded to just one weak growth.
Unfortunately I'm going on me hols 8th May so I think I will miss some of my cyp's flowering. So its a........ ;D with a bit of a >:(
Mike
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Hakone, great cypripedium!
Your soil mix is akadama , kanuma , perlit and seramis.
Are the plants in that medium in pot and buried in the garden with pot and all? or are they in open ground in that medium?
Which fertilizer you give and how often?
Hi lily-anne,
they are in open ground in that medium. I fertilizer 1x season, from June until September.
Best Regards
Hakone
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Mike,
I feed every weekend at this time of year when they are just starting to grow.
Full strength miracle gro or phostrogen for the hybrids and half strength for the species.
Later on I'll cut back to every two weeks and in July I'll start them on tomorite.
Regards,
David
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cypripedium parviflorum x segawai
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cypripedium fasciolatum x candidum
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Hi,
a few different Sabines (macranthos x fasciolatum).
First up shows two mature plants a 'semi alba' and a normal form, both originally from Frosch.
The semi alba is pretty dwarf and much like fasciolatum in height.
The normal form is about average height, although it was quite dwarf when young.
Next up is a dwarfish normal form bought originally as 'Renate pastel'.
All these plants have a similar style of flower with an elongated lip.
Last is the new seedling Sabine alba. Quite different in height and flower shape.
Much more like macranthos than fasciolatum.
News from the breeder describes the macranthos alba parent as coming originally from the
area around Vladivostock where these alba types are tall (40-50 cm) with large flowers, much bigger than other alba types.
There may be some hybrid vigour and x ventricosum genes floating around in this population.
This population of seedlings are all tall and segregating 1:1 for true albas and semi albas.
So this plant may be typical of this group of seedlings.
Finally we have a nice seedling of macranthos 'red' flowering for the first time.
As usual with these descriptions 'red' should read 'more purple red' than the usual form,
Regards,
David
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Maggi,
the merge is a good idea. I kept getting lost... ;) ;) ;)
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HI David, thanks for the info.
I use 'Growth Technology' orchid feed as I was onec told that orchids do not like the ureic forms of nitrogen, obviously from your photos they DO!!
Some of my cyp's taken yesterday evening.
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Mike,
nice plants!
Just to answer another question - you can recover cyps that have gone backwards, but it may take a year or two.
You just need a bit of luck and patience.
Just checking - you're not growing the plants in the greenhouse are you?
they're just in there for a decent photo?
David
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Mike, fasciolatum x segawi has been registered as Cypripedium Barry Phillips. A bit less of a mouthful ;D
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No Ian just to take the photos.
They grow outside in the shade on the north side of my bungalow. During the winter I keep the wet off them with cold frames. If it gets really cold they go in my garage to protect the roots. They stayed out all through last winter.
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Cheers Steve, I didn't know that.
It's a lovely cyp'
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My Cyps are all in the Berlin garden, summer and winter ;) but I keep them dry from Nov. to March.
This ist a C.macranthos alba, last year one flower, now two
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A "wrong" alba, I don't know, what it is. Last year one flower, now 4.
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Cyp "Hank Small"
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and Cyp macranthos
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Hi,
three more now fully out.
First up is a mature 'normal' form of Sabine.
Next up is a true alba Sabine with much more of a macranthos shape to the lip.
This seedling is flowering for the first time and shows some serious potential.
I love it.
The cross was made with a macranthos alba originating from a region round Vladivostock where a
particularly tall and vigorous form grows.
I suspect it has a few x ventricosum genes in it somewhere.
Last we have a nice deep coloured macranthos seedling made using the well known 'red' form from baikal.
The actual flower is a better colour than that shown in the photo,
Regards,
David
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Hi
I have bought this Cypripedium as machrantos 'White'. But it's not. Can anyone put a hybrid name to it.
I would appreciate your help.
Regards Erling
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Nice Cyps everyone,
Erling your Cyp has classic kentuckiensis colouring with petals and sepals of greenish striped and mottled with purple while the very large lip, or pouch, is a creamy ivory or pale yellow. If its a hybrid it sure does have kentuckiensis in the cross.
Your flower has a little more opening to go, if it developes twisted long sepals its sure to be kentuckiensis.
cheers
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Greta pictures some of my Cypripediums are flowering in the garden as well I post a picture of some pot grown ones which have no cover all winter, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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One more from the open ground in the garden, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Cypripedium Gabriela
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Hello, superb pictures and superb clumps of flowering Cypripediums, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Hi
Cyp Monto, big and fat
Sabine alba first flowering seedling - huge and vigorous.
Sabine seems small in comparison to the Alba form , but I split it last October so maybe it's still cross with me - still most growths flowered.
Phil
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I agree with Ian. Beautiful plants. Keep posting guys. Brings back happy memories. 8)
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Transvaal,
lovey Cyp sabine alba.
did you source yours from Floralpin?
Regards,
David
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Thanks David, I sourced the Sabine Alba from Edrom Nursery in Jan 2013 as a single growth seedling.
I bought a ventricosum alba at the same time which is happy enough but the sabine alba seems to have much more vigour.
Phil
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Phil,
I asked as it is very similar to mine and not at all like other Sabines.
Edrom may have sourced plants from Floralpin.
He breeds and sells his own plants whereas pretty much all the cyp sellers in the UK are dealers.
I have to agree about the vigour of this grex.
Give them three years we we should see some spectacular potfuls.
Regards,
David
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David
I was looking at the Floralpin website earlier this year and was taken by his large red hybrids Adelheid, Mathilde and Theophanu. I may well succumb in October. Have you any experience of these?
Phil
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mine are only just through the surface
by the way can anyone let me know what the seedlings look like? Mine have been kept in pots away from anything else and they have seedlings on top of the pots and I am wondering what they are?
Thanks
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hi Graeme,
why not post a picture. These seedlings may be weeds, or maybe not. ;)
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Crikey! What have you got and where have you been keeping them Grahame?
Even my reginae, which are usually my last to flower, are six inches tall. Plants which I took to the show at Malvern in mid June last year are flowering now, so my season is about five weeks earlier than last year.
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Now flowering:
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Rudi - lovely clumps of cyps.
Phil - I have 'Theophanu' growing as a freshly bought seedling.
It may flower next year.
I also bought Mathilde but it rotted off before emerging.
I was sent several photos of the range of flowers produced
by the crosses and they look like the Sabine albas but with colour.
David
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Hi,
the garden have taken a bit of a beating in the last 48 hours with the high winds but fortunately the cyps are well protected with polypropylene wind breaks and plus canes for the thinner stemmed growths.
This henryi has taken a few years to take off but this year there are four large growths with a total of 13 flowers. The largest growth has four in a line.
Next up is froschii. As usual for a species, it grows a bit bigger each year, another growth, larger flowers. It is still pretty short - about 4-5 inches high.
Last is ventricosum pale. A frosch plant and fairly vigorous. It is starting to produce two flowers per stem as the plant matures.
Regards,
David
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David - more stunning plants, I like the vibrancy of the green on Henryi . I hope your ' Theophanu' proves as impressive as Sabine alba - it's certainly on my wanted list.
Phil
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Phil - thanks.
I nearly got rid of the henryi last winter as it had been so unimpressive for a couple of years.
Just shows how patient you have to be with some species.
Here is another one from Frank at Floralpin.
Macranthos pink - nice and vigorous and should have had 6 flowers this year
but I seem to have a problem with drying buds on macranthos over winter,
David
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Cypripedium plectrochilum
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Steve,
cute flower.
Some more hybrids.
In contrast to plectrochilum, these three are all very big plants. Growths are up to 2 feet high.
Sunny has over 30 flowers and is in my biggest plastic pot, over a foot across.
The growths had a few problems developing and one or two flowers are misshapen.
Next up are two forms of Lucy Pinkepank (kentuckiense x tibeticum).
These both have the biggest flowers of any of the hybrids.
regards,
david
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I managed to take some photos before high winds and pouring rain started to buffet them around:
Cypripedium calceolus - increasing very slowly indeed
Cypripedium 'Dietrich'
Cypripedium yunnanense
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Lovely cyps.. Seems like everyone is grasping the cultivation of these orchids from looking at the amount of blooms.
Dave I'm lovin your froschii the colour and form is divine.
Anne your cyp yunnanense now that's special and in the garden too..how do you cultivate this one in the garden?
Cheers
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Lucy Pinkepank is lovely. 8) I had one for a few seasons but parted with it and fled the country before it flowered. ;D Wonder what happened to it?
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Stephen: I'm a bit reckless with my cyps. I work a lot of sand and grit into my soil before planting them - after that they only get some fertilizer when first they look out of the ground after the winter - and some water if we have extremely dry weather. Apart from that they have to fend for themselves... I have had the C. yunnanense about 5 years now, so I expect it hasn't passed the final test yet. It grows in moderately moist soil in the dappled shade of a magnolia.
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Cypripedium flavum :D
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Cypripedium fargesii
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In its second year with me, first time flowered. I had to photograph this before it meets its maker!
(The top images include a bit of make-up (moss) for the camera!).
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Wonderful Cypripediums everyone, Steve your are a knockout thanks for posting, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Hello, here are two pictures of my Cypripedium tibeticum came from the late great Kath Dryden, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Steve the most amazing C fargesii picks Ive ever seen...hope it flowers for you next year.
Ian..nice dark tibeticums
cheers
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Hallo ichristie, great, these dark C. tibeticum!
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Some lovely Cypripediums and all grown so well. Here are some of mine. The first picture I have posted has me baffled, some of the flowers are upside down or leaning to the one side. I wondered if it was the heavy hail and rain that we had.
Angie :)
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Looking good Angie.
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Steve,
wonderful C. fargesii and great photography. I like the way you left in the bits of dry grass in the first picture to make it look natural. ;) ;) ;)
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Angie - lovely plants - is the last one macranthos?
Here are a couple that have done pretty well this year.
First up is Pixi - this one has well over 50 shoots and about 30 flowers.
Not sure how much bigger it will get.
Then I have my favourite species - tibeticum.
This large flowered form is a division from Peter Corkhill and this year
there are 22 shoots and 18 flowers.
Regards,
David
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That tibeticum looks superb!!!
If ever you are tempted to take a knife to the rhizome -I'm your first customer! ;)
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David the label says its tibeticum but I have another tibeticum and it is much darker. Your Pixi is amazing. It's lovely seeing your pictures, it makes me what to grow more of these Cyps, .I have read that if the plant gets really big there is a chance that it might rot and die do you have ant knowledge of this. I would be upset if something like that happened to a mature plant. I can't remember where I read this.
Angie :)
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Looking good Angie.
Anthony your plants are living happily and they make me happy having them, thanks again :)
Angie :)
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Some great plants everyone but especially - everything by David, Steves Fargesii, Iains tibeticum and that last one of Angies which looks like macranthos
Here are some of mine - all very dark and some not what I bought them as.
1. C. 'Pixi' which everyone seems to be doing well with.
2. Bought as C. smithii but is tibeticum
3. Bought as C. macranthos but looks like tibeticum
4. Bought as C. tibeticum and probably is
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Graham your plants are looking good no matter what their names are. Graham you also think that my tibeticum is macranthos. I will change its name today before I forget. I must say that I am not very good with labels. I bought some metal labels some time ago so I need to use these and hopefully they will stay in the pots.
My Cyp, Pixi had it flowers all over the place. Not sure what happened there. I have moved my plants to a new area with some overhead shading. Not sure if I will leave them there or put them back in the cold frame for the winter.
My flower piggy bank has filled up nicely so I hope to buy some more Cypripediums.
Angela :)
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Steve - those fargesii plants and photos are superb.
Angie - I'm testing this assertion about plant size and rot.
It was Michael Wienert who stated that it is best to split them at 10-15 bud size.
Well if I did that I would be overrun with plants plus I like to grow them to specimen size.
Splitting them up is not easy and they take a year or two to recover.
Michael W may have been talking about plants grown in soil.
As all mine are in perlite, we'll see what happens.
So far I've found no extra problems with large plants compared to smaller ones.
I know that Peter Corkhill ended up growing some huge hybrid plants in polystyrene fish boxes.
Your Pixi just needs a bit of support whilst the stems are developing - it is probably just down to a bit of wind damage
Graham - Nice plants and I think you are correct in naming them.
I find a large proportion of new plants I buy are mis-labelled.
At least you received similar species of comparable value,
Regards,
David
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Hi Hakone,
You've been posting these photos for weeks now!
How many different ones do you grow?
Tim DH
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Hi Tim Harberd ,
44 Hybrid and 30 Spezies
Best Regards
Hakone
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Thanks everyone for all the super pictures, Angie yours look great despite you being worried they were not doing well. I saw all the hundreds of plants at Amand's stand at Chelsea so many flowers , cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Steve - those fargesii plants and photos are superb.
Angie - I'm testing this assertion about plant size and rot.
It was Michael Wienert who stated that it is best to split them at 10-15 bud size.
Well if I did that I would be overrun with plants plus I like to grow them to specimen size.
Splitting them up is not easy and they take a year or two to recover.
Michael W may have been talking about plants grown in soil.
As all mine are in perlite, we'll see what happens.
So far I've found no extra problems with large plants compared to smaller ones.
I know that Peter Corkhill ended up growing some huge hybrid plants in polystyrene fish boxes.
Your Pixi just needs a bit of support whilst the stems are developing - it is probably just down to a bit of wind damage
Graham - Nice plants and I think you are correct in naming them.
I find a large proportion of new plants I buy are mis-labelled.
At least you received similar species of comparable value,
Regards,
David
David I knew I read this somewhere. I really wouldn't want to split a plant that I had waited years for to bulk up but I would hate to lose the plant to rot.It would be interesting to hear others thoughts on this. I think you are right about my pixi as we had hail and wind when the flowers were emerging. I will stake for next year. I have shifted the plants to give them a bit more protection, its a windy old place here.
Angie :)
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Thanks everyone for all the super pictures, Angie yours look great despite you being worried they were not doing well. I saw all the hundreds of plants at Amand's stand at Chelsea so many flowers , cheers Ian the Christie kind
Ian I was intending to go to Chelsea this year but family commitments have come first. Maybe its good that I never managed to get there how would I have managed to get all these Cypripediums home. Off course I would have managed, hubby could have easily took the train home, hate having a car with a little boot :(
Angie :)
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Hello again Angie yes I fancied quite a few from John's stand but NO sales are allowed at Chelsea that pleases my financial advisor (Ann) cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Hi,
we're moving towards the end of the season and these two are always late.
First is Philipp. This plant was one of my first cyp purchases in 2006 and has been split once.
On a good flowering there is a distinct picotee edge to the lip and staminode.
I have a large division with 8-9 stems- if there is anyone with another spare cyp I may be up for offers.
Next is Dietrich, getting quite tall as it matures. Most stems carry two flowers and
they have a distinct and pleasant scent.
Last photo shows the two hybrids plus pixi in the greenhouse next to the tomatoes.
Heavy rain (I wish) is forecast for overnight and I want to prevent them being battered,
Regards,
David
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Hello again Angie yes I fancied quite a few from John's stand but NO sales are allowed at Chelsea that pleases my financial advisor (Ann) cheers Ian the Christie kind
Ian,
NO SALES, not sure I would enjoy myself then. Thats like being a kid in a sweetie shop and not getting anything :'(
Love the quote My financial advisor ;D
David,
Those three are amazing. Gives us all something to aspire to.
Angie
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Dear David,
did you tell us how you get them to these amazing sizes? if not, please let us into your secret. Mine do well, but your's are remarkable. I believe some of my lack of progress is due to grazing by molluscs, found another few stems neatly chomped off just above the ground. Or maybe it's the rabbits or squirrels.... :(
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Yesterday I accidentally kicked over one of my Cyp pots. No roots! Where are the roots? No evidence of weevils or other insects. What do I do now?
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How long have you had that plant Mark?
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Maren,
there is no secret - we've discussed the culture in previous years 'cyps in pots' threads.
I may feed more than most. At this time of year during very active growth it is every week.
I use full rate for the hybrids and half rate for the species.
As they settle down growth wise it goes to every two weeks and the species drop to quarter rate.
I keep the plants out of the sun for almost all the time so the foliage stays pristine for most of the summer.
Plants are over potted and watered every day when it gets hot so they never suffer from lack of water.
Rain water is used as often as possible especially in the spring so that there is plenty of room for feed.
if I've had to water more often than expected then I feed a bit more so that the compost never runs out of food.
I do use slug pellets early in the year for slugs and I find that they don't like to travel across the hortag on top of the pots.
Mark - your plant has lost all it's roots to rot, the compost looks like it is too high in organics.
It is living on the reserves from the rhizome.
Wash off all the old compost, drench everything with a fungicide and then repot into a very free draining mix like perlite.
Keep the plants in a cool humid place where transpiration losses are low with no wind and hope!
Some new roots may be initiated later in the summer and the plant may survive,
Regards,
David
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Thanks David. It was in the same pot as when bought. It's one of those mass produced ?Dutch Cyps.
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So was that last week; last year Mark? Scottish slugs must not like cyps as I never had any slug damage and believe me, we had slugs. Scotland is also in the shade, even when the sun is shining.
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The Dutch cyps never have much root when purchased. I have bought / been given a few and I always repot as soon as I get them. I guess in their perfect growing conditions the plants do not need to search for water so do not feel the need to make larger root systems. Pot it up in a perlite / pumice mix and I think it will survive, though it may go backwards next year.
Lincolnshire slugs love cyps, as do our snails. I find that they will happily cross gravel, perlite, copper wire, copper tape, you name it, to get to them. Perhaps people who never experienced slug issues had more choice plants around to tempt them?
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Angie and David just going back to why it was suggested to divide up cyps was spoken about years ago on a frosch cyp forum and was suggested that the over crowding of leaves leads to poor air circulation and can be a great environment for botrytis where the spores travel in the air and find a great place to attack especially in warm springs with still air and glass house like conditions, that's why glass houses are not great for cyps... Other diseases like Pithium rot as you get in humid moist springs attack tender growth at soil level more so on organics(acid soils?) but inorganic aren't all ways safe, the problem with this one is that it travels in water and has been know to wipe out whole collections more so in a nursery or collectors with large collections. this can be introduced from a diseases source(newly purchased plant,running water from garden to collection etc)... So to keep this one at bay is HYGINE!.. keep potted collection raised off the ground and wire benches are best, this will prevent the water running to other pots like you would on a wooden bench or on the ground of concrete or plastic where it puddles, recycle water can be a problem if its not sterilized, if the disease is in the water source it's spread quicker. This is all "general nursery hygiene practice" anyhow and any good gardener has this at the back of their mind.. So keeping them on wire benches are the best or somewhere where the water doesn't run into other pots...use pasteurized soil mix,perlite is great for this.. And bleach any reused pots.
Pithium will destroy the leaf base and rhyzome and will work its way through a clump and it maybe too late when its noticed. The leaves will start off by wilting in the heat of the day and the unsuspecting would water it causing further rot because it really needs to dry out and be cool.. So keeping pots cool helps, keep them healthy and let them dry out a little between waterings especially when it's humid...it's a real tricky disease and is common in glass houses because of the humidity, high fluctuating temps in spring and splashing water or plants too close to each other and having a monoculture of one genus together also dosnt help..you can rescue a plant if its not too late and that's to pull away at the rotten parts and plant up in perlite and have back ups in the garden.. Have I made u start to really worry now? Well I wouldn't, as I havnt seen it yet and mine are in an organic mix and pots are sitting on the ground and we get more warmer temps than you. Some of the smaller pots I have plunged in gravel to keep the roots cool and placed under a tree, as long as you keep the feeding up to them and their healthy. I would split up the biggest clumps and its been suggested after having them refreshed in a new mix after 3 or 4 years is good practice and at this stage you can inspect the roots and rhizomes and see if theres rot... if so you can cut the outer parts of the clumps that has vigor. They do tend to form a thicket entanglement like David has said and to plant in the garden and give to a friend so you know you'll have a back ups :)
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Hi Hakone,
Of all your cultivars.. which would you say are the three most rewarding ones to grow?
Tim DH
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Hi Tim HD ,
Cypripedium Oliver
Cypripedium Gabriela
Cypripedium kentuckiense x microsaccos
Best Regards
Hakone
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I found Phillip and Emil the best ones for me. Both really clumped up very fast.
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cypripedium montanum x tibeticum
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My solitary Cyp finally tried to open in very early morning sunshine, after days of rain. Note the heavy dew on it! Sorry, I didn’t spot the greenfly until editing the photo! Since C. calceolus is an indigenous plant of this county, I always assumed it would be relatively easy to grow……..
Tim DH
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I think if Cypripedium calceolus was easy to grow it would be in every one's garden. Too wet and the roots rot; too dry and instant death.
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Cypripedium tibeticum
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Frazer, what a stunning colour. I love it. :) :) :)
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Cypripedium flavum
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This year I have given my flavum more shading than in previous years and though less compact as a result it also seems to have much more red spotting on the flowers than before.
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Steve your flavum looks very green.. Now I know you have a great camera.. Never seen a green flavum with great red spots..nice cyp
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I would be grateful if anyone could offer opinions on the identity of the Cypripedium in this thread: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11901.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11901.0)
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Cypripedium cordigerum
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Unfortunately and rather bizarrely this plant was lasered by a beam of light reflected from a nearby window (which also zapped some Omphalogrammas). The flower stalk flopped badly to one side as a result (and I have since had to remove the flower & stalk) but, I was then able to gain a view of the normally unseen base of the lip, which on the outside has attractive deep rosy spots that I have never before noticed.
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View of cordigerum lip from underneath.
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Nice Cypripediums there Steve, I will try and post later a picture of Cypripedium Reginia when my son comes home from work.
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Lovely Cyp. Steve.
Unfortunately and rather bizarrely this plant was lasered by a beam of light reflected from a nearby window
Do you mean that with the increased illumination from one side it phototroped over that way? I've seen that from natural causes, but never from glass reflections.
Geo
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Lovely Cyp. Steve.
Do you mean that with the increased illumination from one side it phototroped over that way? I've seen that from natural causes, but never from glass reflections.
Geo
Unfortunately no.
This was a consequence of strong reflected light (and heat) causing scorching. I have also had problems with strong reflected sunlight off a whitewashed wall causing thermal damage -the Cyps in question are on the north side of a wooden fence and have 70% overhead shade netting but are close to the south-facing wall of our house. Leaves directly facing this wall have become scorched, and having witnessed the strength of the reflected light on a sunny day at around midday I now realise just how much light and heat can be reflected by a whitewashed wall. I think that water droplets on the leaves may possibly have magnified this effect. Plants sitting behind those that were scorched show no damage whatsoever. Initially I hadn't a clue as to the cause of the damage and as I am normally at work at the time the sun is at its strongest I hadn't appreciated what was happening until very recently when I experienced the reflected heat first hand.
I think I need to construct a shade structure that can offer protection from this type of damage.
Here is a BBC article which illustrates the potential damage reflected light can cause:
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Hi all, here is an image of my Cypripedium Reginae, which is four years old.
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And here is my C. reginae from today in an east facing raised bed. I don't want to move it but it is struggling a little under the ever increasing Podophylum delavayi.
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Nice reginae Derek & Graham!!!
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I do like Cyp, retinae, coming to an end now for me. Enjoyed everyones pictures.
Angie :)
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Derek
Cause of the tiny spots on petals of your retinae? spray or mist?
Geo
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Cypripedium reginae flowering now, just 4 of 8 stems blooming this year, otherwise it seems healthy.
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Cyp. reginae is, to my mind, one of the most lovely of the cypripediums - but I must mention that I am cheered to see that McMark has oxalis covering swathes of his garden too- that makes me feel a LOT better!
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Hi Geo, the answer if i spray or mist the cyp is no I just thought that it was nearing the end of its flowering period sorry that I cant be more specific, p.s Graham like your podophylum delavayi have one in my garden aswell but isnt as nice,atb Deke.
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Cyp. reginae is, to my mind, one of the most lovely of the cypripediums - but I must mention that I am cheered to see that McMark has oxalis covering swathes of his garden too- that makes me feel a LOT better!
I'm seriously rethinking Oxalis acetosella, while a shallow-rooted cloud carpet of green, it is a bit too "billowing" and tall for small plants; has gotten into my cyclamen areas and threatening to smother them; lesson learned. For larger plants, like Jeffersonia diphylla and Deinanthe, it's a wonderful backdrop, but for plants even as large as Epimedium, I'm finding it distracting, and possibly deleterious to their health and vigor.
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Is this hail or sun damage on all my Cyp leaves?
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Hi Mark, not sure what has caused this, maybe David might be able to give you an answer.
Haven't been on the forum much lately ( just been busy helping out my niece ) how are you feeling now ?
Angie :)
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My plants get morning direct light only
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Cypripedium lichiangense
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Stunning. Simply stunning Steve,atb Deke..
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Hello Steve stunning pictures and the plants look so happy, cheers Ian
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Wonderful Steve, and the photography matches the subject. :) :) :)
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Hi,
it is interesting to see what size the modern hybrids will reach if you just let them grow and do not divide.
This is Pixi and now has about 85 growths in an 11 inch pot. It started off in spring 2008 with two and last year was just over 50.
It is still increasing in size quickly.
Michael Wienert recommends splitting plants when they get to 12-15 growths but I like specimen plants and dislike
splitting cyps - a difficult operation from which they take several years to recover.
This year feeding was haphazard due to family emergencies. I doubt that the plants were fed more than once or twice
once they had flowered so this increase cannot be down to 'over feeding'.
The plants was grown in a spot that received very little sun and fairly sheltered and stayed green and healthy all summer.
I think that this is the critical point about growing cyps well - maintaining pristine foliage for as long as possible.
regards,
David
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Hi David,
what an amazing sight. I look forward to seeing it in flower next year. :) :) :)
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Hi David,
what an amazing sight. I look forward to seeing it in flower next year. :) :) :)
Maren, you have just said what I was thinking, just amazing.
Angie :)
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