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Title: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 08:46:44 PM
Ivano-Frankivsk area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Leucojum vernum
Galanthus nivalis
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 08:49:29 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 08:51:33 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 08:55:12 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Crocus heuffelianus
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 08:57:37 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Crocus heuffelianus
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:00:16 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:06:06 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Crocus heuffelianus
Leucojum vernum
Primula acaulis
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:09:09 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Crocus heuffelianus

Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:12:16 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Crocus heuffelianus
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:14:10 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:16:37 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:19:48 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:21:51 PM
Kolomyia area, Prykarpattia, Ukraine

Galanthus nivalis
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:24:53 PM
Khust area, Transcarpathians, Ukraine

Crocus heuffelianus
Leucojum vernum
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:29:01 PM
Khust area - Narcissus angustifolius valley, Transcarpathians, Ukraine

Narcissus angustifolius, leaves
Crocus heuffelianus
Leucojum vernum
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: mark smyth on March 11, 2014, 09:29:31 PM
fantastic finds! I really like the double Leucojum
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:32:02 PM
Khust area, Transcarpathians, Ukraine

Leucojum vernum
Helleborus purpurascens
Corydalis cava
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 11, 2014, 09:34:53 PM
Hope, you liked them all my finds - enjoy!!  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: mark smyth on March 11, 2014, 09:35:38 PM
OMG those yellow tips are fantastic
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on March 11, 2014, 09:44:33 PM
Dima! We are nearly speechless to see such wonderful variety in all these flowers. So very exciting to be able to see this fabulous display in nature.
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Alan_b on March 11, 2014, 09:55:31 PM
Dima, how much time has it taken you to get all those photographs?  I was struck by the similarity of many of your nivalis finds to things I have found myself in my local nivalis woods.  But that has been by spending perhaps 10 hours per year over 10 years and you have more variety than I do.  So I would feel more encouraged if you told us that was the work of days or even weeks than if you said those were things you found in an afternoon.
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Brian Ellis on March 11, 2014, 10:19:38 PM
Yes there certainly are a lot of variants Dima! Amazing how different they all are, did you cover a large area?
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Mariette on March 11, 2014, 10:22:53 PM
Thank You for some good news from Ukraine, Dima! You do enjoy a wonderful flora and a fantastic range of variations of Galanthus nivalis!
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: johnw on March 11, 2014, 10:38:12 PM
That was a thrilling tour Dimitri.  I wonder how seed set is in the Galanthus stands and if voles are a problem eating Crocus bulbs in the wild there?

More tours please.

johnw
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 11, 2014, 11:56:17 PM
Amazing!
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: pehe on March 12, 2014, 05:52:17 AM
Dima, welcome home after a very successful trip! These nivalis variations are fantastic. Thanks for showing us.

Poul
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Leena on March 12, 2014, 07:20:49 AM
Wonderful to see plants in their natural habitat, thank you! :)
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 12, 2014, 07:43:20 AM
Dear all - many thanks for your comments! I was there 4 days, and most of nivalis finds was made in one day, you're right Alan!  ;D ;D
Brian - nivalises were searched for at 6 loci on 3 mounts in a same area of Kolomyia.
Mark - it isn't double leucojum, just curly one, but simpatico!!
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Alan_b on March 12, 2014, 07:52:48 AM
Thanks for the background information, Dima.  Like everybody else, I'm tremendously impressed.
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: fixpix on March 12, 2014, 08:06:33 AM
Very nice pictures. I wonder if it's the time for me to start visiting the forests around.
:)
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Tim Ingram on March 12, 2014, 08:25:55 AM
Nature has something of the galanthophile in her! - beautiful pictures and places. My favourite - the Leucojum in the early morning frost. Wonderful to see plants from a different place - many thanks.
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 12, 2014, 08:57:51 AM
to the homologous ranks in Galanthus - here below some similar flower type without inners, found both at nivalis in Carpathians and at plicatus in Crimea. I asked myself if there is already such flower type in culture in gardens?? Does such a cultivar already exist?
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: mark smyth on March 12, 2014, 09:03:30 AM
to the homologous ranks in Galanthus - here below some similar flower type without inners, found both at nivalis in Carpathians and at plicatus in Crimea. I asked myself if there is already such flower type in culture in gardens?? Does such a cultivar already exist?

I have never seen any that look like that
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Alan_b on March 12, 2014, 09:14:56 AM
Does such a cultivar already exist?

I do not believe so in nivalis.  But was there an elwesii found at the Kencott site like that?  I half-remember a story that at first it as thought to be a practical joke played by one Galanthus expert on another but was in fact genuine.  I think it was probably Matt Bishop telling the story - and he of all people would know the answer to your question.   
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 12, 2014, 09:27:19 AM
ok, thanks, guys!!
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: emma T on March 12, 2014, 09:40:00 AM
Yep it was Matt , the one they found will be named " nobody's prank"
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 12, 2014, 09:45:09 AM
Yep it was Matt , the one they found will be named " nobody's prank"

do you have a picture, Emma?? or a link on it?
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Gerard Oud on March 12, 2014, 09:58:48 AM
to the homologous ranks in Galanthus - here below some similar flower type without inners, found both at nivalis in Carpathians and at plicatus in Crimea. I asked myself if there is already such flower type in culture in gardens?? Does such a cultivar already exist?

These are Super Dima and never seen before some like these, almost no innerpetals Wow :o
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 12, 2014, 10:23:25 AM
These are Super Dima and never seen before some like these, almost no innerpetals Wow :o

Conversely, Gerard. Emma says there is a similar Matt's elwesii "nobody's prank"..........
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: art600 on March 12, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
Dima

Fantastic snowdrops and leucojum, but the Crocus are also special :) ;D :)
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Alan_b on March 12, 2014, 11:11:47 AM
do you have a picture, Emma?? or a link on it?

Matt Bishop is a forum member now so you could try sending him a PM.  Thanks, Emma, for filling the holes in my recollection of what Matt said.
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Mavers on March 12, 2014, 02:56:30 PM
That wonderful double leucojum Dimitri & the fabulous one with the large yellow tips :o.

Will you be able to get then into cultivation?
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: emma T on March 12, 2014, 04:35:44 PM
I don't have the picture , Matt showed it at one of his talks . He's in America at the moment still I think .
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: snowdropcollector on March 12, 2014, 06:31:32 PM
Dima, thank you for showing your fantastic finds  :o :o :o. Some really specials are between them.
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: annew on March 12, 2014, 07:01:08 PM
A wonderful trip, Dima. Are those molehills in the Narcissus angustifolius valley?
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 13, 2014, 08:46:14 AM
Matt Bishop is a forum member now so you could try sending him a PM.  Thanks, Emma, for filling the holes in my recollection of what Matt said.

thanks, Alan! I would ask him.
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 13, 2014, 08:47:56 AM
That wonderful double leucojum Dimitri & the fabulous one with the large yellow tips :o.

Will you be able to get then into cultivation?

I'll do my best, Mavers ))) at least I'll try them at me
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 13, 2014, 09:03:55 AM
A wonderful trip, Dima. Are those molehills in the Narcissus angustifolius valley?

you're right, Anne! It is rather Bucovina Mole Rat - Spalax graecus - habitat))
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: emma T on March 13, 2014, 09:14:19 AM
Oh the mole rat looks cute , prettier than a mole
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Oakwood on March 13, 2014, 09:39:29 AM
Oh the mole rat looks cute , prettier than a mole

Emma, but this guy is herbivore ((( instead of insectivorous mole....
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: emma T on March 13, 2014, 10:45:22 AM
Oh that's a bad kind of mole ! I will stick then with our ugly black worm eating moles !
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Mavers on March 13, 2014, 04:05:44 PM
I had to have a mole catcher when I first started developing my present garden.

They tunnel at quite a pace don't they.

I did have the briefest moment of empathy for the mole when I saw it squished in the mole clamp  :-X but then I remembered my snowdrops & the damage it had caused  >:(

So I soon felt very happy  ;D
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Alan_b on March 13, 2014, 04:20:19 PM
When a mole got into my garden I used a free 'natural repellent'.  This seemed to do the trick although my neighbour might have taken more punitive measures. 
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: emma T on March 13, 2014, 04:44:11 PM
I am very good at catching and killing moles in my mole traps . I'm waiting for the day when I get a pied or orange mole , then I will have it stuffed  .
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Mavers on March 13, 2014, 04:52:05 PM
I looked at other methods & apparently the mole traps that kill them are more humane than the ones I initially thought I'd use that trap them alive.

http://www.trapman.co.uk/mole-trap-catching-hints.htm (http://www.trapman.co.uk/mole-trap-catching-hints.htm)

'All our traps kill the mole and if used as advised are quick and humane, we did once make a live catch mole trap but found them to be more inhumane than kill type traps due to the fact that people would set them in the mole run and then either not check on the trap regularly sometimes for days or forget where the trap was placed, captured mole's suffered and died of dehydration or starvation............'

I did stroke it before the trapper took it away......... :-\
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Mavers on March 13, 2014, 04:54:01 PM
Oh damn it Emma I didn't think of stuffing it  8)

I could have had it mounted above me fireplace. ;D
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: emma T on March 13, 2014, 09:57:55 PM
Eww don't stroke the mole , damn things are riddled with fleas ! I'd probably have enough to make a coat if I'd have skinned the moles , not really the done thing now though .
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Gerard Oud on June 03, 2014, 05:54:14 PM
I have a dog that caught one lately. Normally she does catch mice, but this time a mole. She kept it with pride in her mouth when we continued walking!
Here she is:
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Gerard Oud on July 10, 2014, 08:45:50 PM
No rats or what so ever but 3 hedgehogs together found by Jacky! Normally you see just one but 3 is quit incommon.
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 11, 2014, 06:31:47 PM
Hello Dima,

here is a G nivalis without inners. I called it DREISPORN and found it in 2007. I'm sure every species is able to create this genetic constellation.
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 11, 2014, 06:34:38 PM
In the moment I also have a G elwesii without inners in trial.
Title: Re: Galanthus nivalis in Eastern (Ukrainian) Carpathians, March 2014
Post by: Jacek on January 23, 2018, 02:12:37 PM
I was looking for an appropriate topic and found it. By the way, excellent pics Dima. What I noticed, these were not high mountain locations. What I want to share are my 30 years old memories from a nearby location in Poland , but high in the mountains. No photos though.

Being a student this was one of my many trips to remote and difficult-to-reach Bieszczady mountains. Look at the map-  this is  the south-eastern 'corner' of Poland. Very wild and depopulated since  1947. The soil there is an extreme clay, no conifers in the woods, low tree line, high mountain meadows with very high grass and generally extreamly lush vegetation. Altogether atypical for our part of the world. Max altitude 1350 m asl.

Being there  in April when the snow was melting high in the mountains I noticed thousands of snowdrops growing through the surface of the mountain path and also around through the previous year grass. I mean over the tree line. I hope my memory is correct as recently looking through the net I couldn't confirm my past observations.

G. nivalis certainly is a lowland plant. What about high mountains populations? Are they common? Are they different? Are they represented in cultivation?

If not - it might be wise to enrich the genetic pool from atypical source.
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