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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: orchidsworld on March 09, 2014, 06:08:04 PM

Title: Ophrys 2014
Post by: orchidsworld on March 09, 2014, 06:08:04 PM: Ophrys reinholdii

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Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: orchidsworld on March 09, 2014, 06:08:49 PM: Ophrys tenthredinifera

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Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: fixpix on March 10, 2014, 12:40:00 PM: Gorgeous, Francois.
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Neil on March 10, 2014, 11:27:16 PM: Very nice photos
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: mark smyth on March 11, 2014, 12:00:05 AM: O. leochroma open a few days now
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: orchidsworld on March 11, 2014, 05:26:33 AM: Nice, but leochroma is synonym for tenthredinifera ;)
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: orchidsworld on March 12, 2014, 10:13:17 AM: Ophrys lutea

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Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: johnstephen29 on March 12, 2014, 09:38:53 PM: Beautiful orchids guys
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Tony Willis on March 13, 2014, 11:55:00 AM: two of mine in flower

Ophyrs tenthredinifera not a brightly coloured as either those of Francois or Mark

Orchis papilionacea
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: art600 on March 13, 2014, 01:22:57 PM: I am so glad this thread was started.

During a holiday in Northern Greece last year, I photographed some orchids on an area of open ground near Panorama. I have no idea hat they are, and to my eyes some look 'strange' - they appear to lack colour.

Identification would be much appreciated, plus any comments on the 'strange' ones.
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: art600 on March 13, 2014, 01:29:06 PM: I also have some orchids from 2007 Northern Greece that I would like identified. They are not Ophrys, but hope the experts see them and can help.

First three images are Dactolyrhiza (?)

Fifth image should be a close up of the fourth.
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Tony Willis on March 13, 2014, 01:49:04 PM: Arthur

beautiful pictures,I am not going to put a name to the strange brown one but the one thing you can be sure is they will be called by different names by different people. The dactylorhiza are sambucina which occurs in huge numbers in Greece and the second is Orchis (Anacamptis) morio
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: art600 on March 13, 2014, 02:00:08 PM: Thanks Tony
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Anthony Darby on March 14, 2014, 06:48:00 AM: Some that are not Ophrys spp. creeping into this thread.
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on March 14, 2014, 06:55:11 AM: Quote from: art600 on March 13, 2014, 01:29:06 PM
I also have some orchids from 2007 Northern Greece that I would like identified. They are not Ophrys, but hope the experts see them and can help.

First three images are Dactolyrhiza (?)

Fifth image should be a close up of the fourth.

=> the fifth and fourth is Orchis mascula ;)
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on March 14, 2014, 08:03:48 AM: Quote from: art600 on March 13, 2014, 01:22:57 PM
I am so glad this thread was started.

During a holiday in Northern Greece last year, I photographed some orchids on an area of open ground near Panorama. I have no idea hat they are, and to my eyes some look 'strange' - they appear to lack colour.

Identification would be much appreciated, plus any comments on the 'strange' ones.

At the end of flowering they chance into this colour for usual. I´d expect Op. transhyrcana, which always has a long and small lip.
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: zen on March 14, 2014, 09:48:18 PM: Hi, my friend has got a big collections orchis and ophrys.

http://eophrys.blogspot.com/ (http://eophrys.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: art600 on March 14, 2014, 10:45:20 PM: Quote from: Anthony Darby on March 14, 2014, 06:48:00 AM
Some that are not Ophrys spp. creeping into this thread.

Humble apologies
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Tony Willis on March 17, 2014, 10:30:54 AM: Quote from: Anthony Darby on March 14, 2014, 06:48:00 AM
Some that are not Ophrys spp. creeping into this thread.

and will probably continue to do so.

another

Ophrys tenthredifera and

Ophrys spegodes
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Anthony Darby on March 17, 2014, 10:53:23 AM: Quote from: Tony Willis on March 17, 2014, 10:30:54 AM
and will probably continue to do so.
;D
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: art600 on March 17, 2014, 11:37:37 AM: Quote from: Gerhard Raschun on March 14, 2014, 08:03:48 AM
At the end of flowering they chance into this colour for usual. I´d expect Op. transhyrcana, which always has a long and small lip.

Gerhard

Are you saying all the Ophrys I showed are transhyrcana? or just the odd brown ones.
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Neil on March 17, 2014, 09:13:10 PM: Arthur

The first image is Ophrys. transhyrcana, which is a synonym Ophrys sphegodes subsp. mammosa and so is the second but the flower has gone over the third is probably the same. The fourth is an Ophrys sphegodes, also gone over, but I cannot tell which subspecies.
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: art600 on March 17, 2014, 11:37:18 PM: Neil

Many thanks

Arthur
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: mark smyth on March 19, 2014, 02:22:16 PM: Do these photos show the natural variation in flower shape of O. leochroma or is it something else?
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Neil on March 19, 2014, 02:33:01 PM: Mark they are both Ophrys tenthredifera of which Ophrys leochroma is a synonym.
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: mark smyth on March 19, 2014, 03:58:22 PM: Thanks. Should I relabel them as Ophrys tenthredifera?
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2014, 04:02:29 PM: Accepted name from Kew Plant List is Ophrys tenthredinifera

- lots of synonyms: http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-141835 (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-141835)
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: SteveC2 on March 19, 2014, 05:53:32 PM: But if, like me, you have several clones of tenthredinifera, it helps to include both on the label so you know which is which.
;D
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Tony Willis on March 19, 2014, 06:04:35 PM: You either follow Delforge who lists 520 species in Europe most distinguished by a spot here or a hair there or a slight colour change (great names for selling plants) or you just accept they are the same and just have slight natural variations.

It is interesting to visit Spili in Crete to watch evolution in action within your own lifetime. Every time you go they have changed into new species.
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: SteveC2 on March 19, 2014, 08:04:24 PM: Perhaps we should follow the Pleione and snowdrop fans and have cultivar names?
Kidding! ;D > ;D
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Neil on March 19, 2014, 08:26:33 PM: I am lumper but I do have plants with variation in there colourings and markings, which I keep in separate pots.

Steve, snowdrops all look the same to me white with a splash of green. Now where did I put my body armour ;D
Title: Re: Ophrys 2014
Post by: Tony Willis on March 19, 2014, 09:20:23 PM: I also keep mine individually in separate pots with where they came from and the date I obtained it on the label.