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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Maggi Young on March 07, 2014, 06:37:16 PM
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Following filming at the Birmingham Botanical Gardens, the BBC Gardeners' World programme to be broadcast on Friday 7 March will feature Cyclamen, with interviews with Vic Aspland and Nigel Hopes the BBG Alpine Area Supervisor.
That would be pleasure enough, but....
BBC website says : "In this episode, Carol is looking at one of the gems of early spring - the crocus, and meets world-renowned crocus expert Brian Mathew."
So not sure whether cyclamen or crocus, or both are to feature.....
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There is a little film clip here : http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01tglpf (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01tglpf)
Crocus expert
Duration: 01:42
Carol Klein talks to world-renowned crocus expert, Brian Mathew, at Myddelton House. He has spent a lifetime devoted to this little spring gem and offers some top advice about the different types and where to grow them.
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Sounds great. Lets hope GW will stay this way and not lapse in to the usual crap
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"Brain Mathew" - predictive text strikes again!
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"Brain Mathew" - predictive text strikes again!
Nah, Ralph, just a combo of how I think of dear Mr Mathew and lousy typing! :-[
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wasn't exciting was it.
How many times has Monty planted Pulmonarias, pruned his clematis and someone been to a fab rose garden
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I was glad the sound lasted long enough to show Brian Mathew - the lack of a soundtrack for the rest wasn't much of a loss I suspect. . Took 'em along time to get the apology note on screen as well.
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Missed it should I download from catchup?
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The segment with Brian Mathew was quite near the beginning - then there was quite a long loss of sound - not sure it's worth it. Christine.
There are two very short clips here : http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03xl41f/clips (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03xl41f/clips)
Full programme here- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03xl41f (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03xl41f) not sure if the sound will be okay, though it SHOULD be!
The programme is repeated today at 20:15 BBC Two Wales only - you can catch that in the UK on SKY TV if you have it, even if you are not in Wales.
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The version on BBC iplayer does not have the interruption in sound, so they seemed to have sorted things out.
The information on my Sky Box a few days ago when I set it up to record the programme stated that it would have a feature on cyclamen, but when I looked at the information last night, this had been changed to crocus. As we now know, the feature was on crocus.
Bob
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The version on BBC iplayer does not have the interruption in sound, so they seemed to have sorted things out.
The information on my Sky Box a few days ago when I set it up to record the programme stated that it would have a feature on cyclamen, but when I looked at the information last night, this had been changed to crocus. As we now know, the feature was on crocus.
Bob
Yes, that was the info from Vic Aspland too - we can but hope that the cyclamen piece will appear in the next few weeks.
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I believe Vic Aspland and Cyclamen is next Friday.
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Thanks Arthur i'll make sure I set my sky box.
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wasn't exciting was it.
How many times has Monty planted Pulmonarias, pruned his clematis and someone been to a fab rose garden
As usual those with the attention span of a gnat will have enjoyed the production whilst others............................
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Seen it now on my ipad while Harry watched Scotland lose once again at rugby. He never loses faith that one day they'll win.... but the programme was entirely predictable and contained very little information worth my time and attention. If only they'd let the people who know speak instead of the piece always being about the presenters....
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Hi Chris I enjoyed the crocus piece with Brian & I'm glad Carol Klein interviewed him as she really knows her plants. Should have put her in charge of gardeners world.
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The trouble is Chris how do you go about making a programme without presenters? We would all like to see programmes on the plants we enjoy so much - and I could think of a programme on the Czech Rock Gardens for example, but in the absence of a presenter(s) with a special interest in this, the people and plants, and an ability put this across in a way that actually captures and holds viewers attention, it's unlikely to happen. It's all very well moaning that it doesn't happen, but it is no easy thing to bring together different sorts of programmes without some sort of groundswell of opinion and practical support. All of David's gnats who watched Gardeners World would probably have interesting things to say about the minutae of alpine gardening at times - ie: it's not for them. The trick is convincing them that it is for them as much as it is for all of us.
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It's true Carol does know her plants John, and it's good they are interviewing experts such as Brian.
But Tim - we all know that Brian is the expert on this subject so yes, by all means let her introduce him but then, let Brian do the talking. There's precious little time for the piece so maximise the expert and minimise the presenter is what I'm saying...
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I agree with you on that Chris, but what I would like to see is something beyond this - say a programme devoted to Crocus with Brian Mathew and Jānis Ruckšāns, maybe Tony Goode and David Stephens too(!) and looking at the plants in both gardens and Nature, and really putting across the huge experience these people have which goes beyond Carol for example saying how beautiful these plants are, which no one would argue with. You are right it would be fascinating to really listen to Brian speaking about the plants, and to have a presenter who has the skill and knowledge to bring out much more of the magic and detail behind them. I'm overly optimistic I know, but who doesn't get excited reading Jānis' entries on this Forum for example and all that lies behind his wonderful nursery. A dialogue between expert and presenter is necessary for this to happen and you do see this in programmes on music and musicians for example and sometimes about artists, but it requires plants and gardening to be regarded with some of the same sophistication, but also showing that it is accessible to everyone.
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That's a dream programme Tim... I remember the time before presenters when documentaries were made 'properly' with editing and if any explanation was needed there was 'voice of God' interpretation but the filming was of the subject - in your case it would be the plants where they grow and the experts talking about them. That's my sort of programme. Don't know if you're old enough to remember the golden years of BBC documentary such as Cathie Come Home or Now That The Chips Are Down or a host of others but presenters and personalities hadn't yet been invented so directors had to work to put their story together and sit at editing tables splicing and suchlike. I still see some traditional documentaries on the PBS channel we now get on Sky and they are a joy to watch because your brain doesn't spend half it's time thinking about the person presenting and can concentrate on the story instead. Some of the Storyville docs are traditional too nobody famous presenting. What a joy.... And they are probably cheaper to make as well, these personalities don't do it for nothing....
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Ofcourse you all are right and the program could improve a lot by giving the experts more time to say what THEY want to say. But in The Netherlands we only have very commercial garden programs sponsored by gardencenters. They plant very small gardens with lots of plants in full bloom and the soil is so easy to work, they can make the holes for the plants with their hands!
No real gardens to my opinion.
So I am very happy, Gardeners World starts again. And I am a fan of Carol.
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Good that you keep us in perspective Lina! I sometimes forget how lucky we are in the UK. When I lived in Canada there were no gardening programmes at all - so I had to read books to find out anything.....
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Iconic Project (http://www.iconictrees.org/) and Perthshire Big Tree Country are to be featured on Countryfile today - 7pm BBC 1
http://www.countryfile.com/countryfile-tv/countryfile-sunday-perthshire (http://www.countryfile.com/countryfile-tv/countryfile-sunday-perthshire)
"This week, Countryfile heads north of the border to find out how Perthshire has earned its reputation as big tree country.
Ellie Harrison meets the scientists travelling the globe to bring endangered conifer species back to Scotland and also discovers what impact nature's own lumberjack, the beaver, is having on the countryside."
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I saw that program Maggi it was the best one they have done in ages.
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Good news - Vic Aspland is on GW tonight - programme has started now...... 8)
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Yes I saw it Maggi well worth the wait. Carol was as good as ever & saw some great cyclamen
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You might like to know that the 5 minute slot with Brian (It may have been less) took 5 hours to make :o
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Sigh, sounds like a jobs worth to me.... please let us know when Beechgrove is going to be on. They were there all flippin' day for that piece... hope they got a few good soundbites!
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Five hours to do that job is quite good going for a TV crew!
Beechgrove Garden programme returns at 7:30pm on Thursday 3rd April on BBC2 Scotland and on Sunday 6th April on BBC2 network. No word of programme content yet. I'll contact Carole Baxter to ask if she has any definite news of Dunblane footage.
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Following Tim's comments about thoughtful programmes. One of the best I ever saw was a short series on BBC called The Quest for the Rose with Phillips and Rix. It was followed by a book of the same name which is still available on Amazon and ebay. It was made in the early 1990s, and presumably that sort of thing would cost too much to make now.
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Following Tim's comments about thoughtful programmes. One of the best I ever saw was a short series on BBC called The Quest for the Rose with Phillips and Rix. It was followed by a book of the same name which is still available on Amazon and ebay. It was made in the early 1990s, and presumably that sort of thing would cost too much to make now.
I think I recall the programme, Richard - was it mainly concerned with the early roses from China?
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Beechgrove Garden programme returns at 7:30pm on Thursday 3rd April on BBC2 Scotland and on Sunday 6th April on BBC2 network. No word of programme content yet. I'll contact Carole Baxter to ask if she has any definite news of Dunblane footage.
Carole got right back to me :
".........All fine and looking forward to another series of Beechgrove. The feature from SRGC from Dunblane
(I really enjoyed my day!) will go out on the first programme Thursday 3rd April 7.30pm BBC2 Scotland and repeated Sunday 6th April BBC2 network, time to be confirmed. "
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'The Quest for the Rose' by Roger Phillips and Martyn Rix. I have this book too (from 1993! quite a while ago). It covers a lot more ground than just China and especially looks back to the history of the rose. A partnership between two people, both so brilliant at what they do, is pretty rare, but it is that really solid and strongly researched base which results in such fine television. So it looks like we are going to have to sit down and write something of the same quality about alpine gardening and then persuade some enlightened producers and film companies to get behind a programme of this sort. The big difference is that roses are universally popular, highly bred and grown and very romantic. Alpines are tiny little jewels that few people ever see, nearly impossible to grow and come from cold, windswept and inhospitable places only of interest to Wainwright and a few mountaineers, and grown in little pots at obscure Alpine Shows! Which of the emoticons should I add here?
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Which of the emoticons should I add here?
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Speaking of old programmes does anyone else remember the BBC 4 series on apples? I remember it too being very interesting, especially the part about the history of Golden Delicious...
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So it looks like we are going to have to sit down and write something of the same quality about alpine gardening and then persuade some enlightened producers and film companies to get behind a programme of this sort.
Go for it Tim! Surely we have some freelance producers in the ranks who know how to get started with something like this. Come to think about it we must have a budding presenter somewhere too.......