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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Thomas Huber on March 01, 2014, 08:14:41 AM
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Great photos in the February thread - my own are out for weeks now, but never opened due to lack of sunshine and warmth.
Hope you will forgive me if I can show only 'standard' plants, most of my rarities are in heaven :-[
First some sights from the lawn and the rockgarden after two days of sunshine:
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Some more from the garden:
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Some of the surviving goodies:
- Crocus chrysanthus Jeannine, Crocus etruscus from Tuscany and malyi from Croatia
- Crocus versicolor from Southern France
- Crocus fleischeri together with C. angustifolius
- a C. vernus form from Liguria which will be described as a new species this year together with some of the green tipped whites
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Some of you may have noticed wonderful hybrids on my lawn.
I have marked them for later replanting and hope to increase them well:
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Some more hybrids:
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I am stunned by the view of your crocus lawn, it is absolutely fantastic!
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Dear Hubi, thank goodness the sun has come out at last for your wonderful lawn - a sight to gladden our crocohearts!
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Thanks Leena and Maggi!
Your flattering words let the sun come out again :D
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What a wonderful sight Thomas, and beautifully photographed 8)
That Ligurian C. (no longer) vernus is very elegant
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A magnificent sight Thomas and perfectly photographed.
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A wonderful collection. H1421 is particularly beautiful.
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It's great to see your garden again Thomas - looking beautiful! Please tell me if I can send you back any that you have lost.
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Tomorrow I'm going to Greece. Fortunately I selected road not through Kiev, but in Aprill my flight to Erevan is just through Kiev. Air space over Ukraina now is closed. I hope that world protests will stop barbarians from East. Now we all are in heart with Ukrainian patriots trying protect their independence.
Others in this and following entry are Crocus sieberi grown from wild collected seeds. Seeds were sent me by Marcus Harvey who collected them on Crete. Note the huge size of white specimen - just as large Dutch so named vernus cultivar.
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Other sieberi from Omalos, Crete
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Janis, Crocus sieberi Purple Tip (01.jpg) is lovely!
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Hello Thomas, fabulous hybrids, thanks for showing us your garden again.
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Janis , thanks for showing us the C.sieberi, lovely variation. Have a great time in Greece.
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Janis, Crocus sieberi Purple Tip (01.jpg) is lovely!
I agree
Thomas
its great to see your Crocus lawn again. The tomm. Eric Smith I got from you look well
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Cannot agree more, it is fantastic to see pictures of your lawn again, Thomas!
Fantastic plants, Janis!
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Is it just my computer but are masses of photos missing from Thomas' Crocus pages
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0)
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Is it just my computer but are masses of photos missing from Thomas' Crocus pages
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0)
All fine here, Mark - just went through them all and they are all there in 'glorious techicolor'
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Great photos from everyone.
Janis, we will hope for good weather and great flowers for your trip to Greece.
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nice pictures, Thomas and Janis
here some Crocus from this weekend:
Cr.angustifolius 'Bronze'
corsicus, native forms
jessoppiae
olivieri
veluchensis from Rila Mts.
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Fantastic pictures Thomas, something for a Newbie like me to aspire to. They look so beautiful in the setting of the lawn.
grenadier :)
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Thomas, I want your magic lawn carpet creates a range of chrysanthus hybrids!
Janis, I was really impressed with your beautiful sieberi collection! Especially the purple tip one.
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Thomas really enjoyed the lawn as good as ever and Janis the sieberi are excellent.
A white Crocus pelistericus
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Thomas really enjoyed the lawn as good as ever and Janis the sieberi are excellent.
A white Crocus pelistericus
That looks incredibly ethereal.
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Almost like a ghost crocus! Ghost of pelistericus.
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Lovely crocus, Thomas, Janis, Dirk and Tony!
Here are a few of mine:
1 +2 Crocus sieberi sieberi
3 + 4 Crocus corsicus
5 Crocus cvijicii
Poul
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And some more
1 + 2 Crocus minimus
3 + 4 Crocus abantensis from 2 different sources
5. Crocus aerius
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Here are a few of mine:
1 +2 Crocus sieberi sieberi
3 + 4 Crocus corsicus
5 Crocus cvijicii
Poul
Nice crocus Poul. I suspect your C. corsicus may be a hybrid. According to Mathew the throat should be white or lilac.
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What a marvellous sight Thomas, thanks showing us.
The sun shone here all day on Saturday & the crocus were wide open soaking up the warmth.
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Hello at all and thanks for the wonderful pictures.
Now I want to show you some of mine...
(http://666kb.com/i/cmbmbzejgzez6o10b.jpg)
Cr.malyi `Karlobag`
(http://666kb.com/i/cmbmc66gfm22cojkr.jpg)
Cr.sieberi `Tricolor`
(http://666kb.com/i/cmbmc6grbh6s7mf4r.jpg)
Cr.chrysanthus`Romance`(?)
(http://666kb.com/i/cmbme9pozvic3bwnv.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/cmbmfzapocq6fpbff.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/cmbmfz7emqoymd2qj.jpg)
3x Cr.heuffelianus `Schneeprinzessin`(one corm - 3 flowers!)
(http://666kb.com/i/cmbmhcb361281rt3v.jpg)
Cr."etruscus" 'Zwanenburg'
(http://666kb.com/i/cmbmgak9p0k4cyiaj.jpg)
Cr.etruscus from Toscana
Kind regards- Daniel
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Some more hybrids:
Hi Hubi - Your crocus lawn is maybe the best in the world. Who needs fussy rarities with a display like yours? These hybrids, maybe with garden vigour, are worth just as much. Great to see them in the sunshine :)
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A white Crocus pelistericus
Absolutely stunning Tony! It seems there are albino forms of most crocuses.
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You're completely right, TonyG - I really enjoy these Crocusses as flowers, not as species....
TonyW - what a wonderful white pelistericus, and as always grown perfectly.
Daniel - seems like your trip to Tuscany was successful....great etruscus plants!
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Thomas thank you,the climate helps.
two Crocus pelistericus almost white with slight purple streaks.
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Another two striking Crocus pelistericus Tony.
Two not so striking crocus:
Crocus paschei
Crocus chrysanthus Macedonian Ivory
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Nice crocus Poul. I suspect your C. corsicus may be a hybrid. According to Mathew the throat should be white or lilac.
Gerry, you are probably right. They are 'just' commercial ones, but I find them pretty anyway.
Poul
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Cyril, how can a Crocus not be striking ;)
- Rain has damaged most of the chrysanthus flowers in the lawn now, but in a shaded part of the garden they are at their best now
- Cyclamen coum and Galanthus doing well
- Crocus etruscus and suaveolens planted together - not easy to distinguish by flower
- views from the garden with many vernus variants and hybrids with tommasinianus
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- Crocus malyi 'Ballerina'
- Crocus x leonidii (angustifolius x reticulatus) Early Gold
- Crocus versicolor and in the background Crocus vernus/exiguus from Croatia
- garden views
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and some more hybrids from my lawn....
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A great come back, Thomas !
Gorgeous Spring views !! 8)
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Hey, good to see you posting again Thomas.
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and some more hybrids from my lawn....
Fantastic view of your Crocus (and Galanthus and cyclamen) lawn Thomas. Very uplifting.
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Hi Thomas,
Nice to see you here again - your lawn is just overwhelming!
Gerd
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Thomas just wonderful and superb hybrids.
my final pot of Crocus gotoborgensis
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:o :o :o :o :o :o
Really stunning Tony !!!
:o :o :o :o :o :o
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Luc
thank you I am pleased with them.
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Cracking looking crocus Tony!!!
I have a strange compulsion to pull up a chair and warm my hands over them!
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A rainbow in a pot!
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Tony,very nice plants!
And what a meadow, Thomas!
I hope my meadow will flower well, too.
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Yes, I am happy about my etruscus.:-)
Greetings Daniel
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my final pot of Crocus gotoborgensis
Stunning, Tony! Have they flowered before or is this the first year any have flowered in this group of seedlings? Looks like, if this isn't first flowering for them all, there's one alpha seedling (the very richly coloured one) that is increasing fast, plus some others. All lovely, but the darker one is especially nice.
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Martin
several in the pot have flowered before but this is it's best display. They are still in the original pot they were sown in ,in July 06. I never repot the pelistericus and their hybrids and the only time they are disturbed is when I get some out to give away. They always seem to be in growth and I do not want to break the roots. Benign neglect seems to suit them. This does not apply to my other crocuses which are repotted every summer.
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Martin
several in the pot have flowered before but this is it's best display. They are still in the original pot they were sown in ,in July 06. I never repot the pelistericus and their hybrids and the only time they are disturbed is when I get some out to give away. They always seem to be in growth and I do not want to break the roots. Benign neglect seems to suit them. This does not apply to my other crocuses which are repotted every summer.
That's what I thought, in which case the dark one is almost certainly the alpha seedling and all one clone. Which is good news because it means it's an increaser as well as a stunner 8)
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my final pot of Crocus gotoborgensis
Superb Tony. It is amazing how these differ
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my final pot of Crocus gotoborgensis
wow :o :o
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my final pot of Crocus gotoborgensis
:o :o :o Extremely beautiful Tony ! The best you can get as "croconut " .....
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Thomas just wonderful and superb hybrids.
my final pot of Crocus gotoborgensis
Tony, I agree with everybody about Crocus gotoborgensis. I think this is your best potful.
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Tony, I agree with everybody about Crocus gotoborgensis. I think this is your best potful.
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Really splendid Tony; such rich colours and fine venation.
The forum allows us all to enjoy so many amazing plants.
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Just returned from Monastery State Athos (Holy Mountain) in Greece where went to check what is mysterious Crocus athous included by Brian Mathew in synonyms of C. atticus. After 5 hours long ascend by very narrow and steep footpass winding by almost vertical rock we (Professor of Saloniki University, my Czech friend and I) reached pass at altitude 800 m and after that down to 200 m up to Kerasia skiff (small monastery) where we were accepted by Father Theologus. There are no electricity, no mobile, no internet. Light in evenings from candles and oil lamps. As started p-re-Easter time food was was very moderate, but excellent and monks all this (sleeping, food) provide free of charge.
Next day we went up in direction of tip of Mount Athos. And at altitude of 1200 we found searched crocus growing together with other bulbs and crocuses (C. pulchellus, Crocus olivieri - still in flowers, Crocus mazziaricus - between splits of rocks, possibly Crocus chrysanthus, but out of flowers, so could be misidentified). So in short distance at least 4-5 species.
Fortunately we found even 3 flowering specimens of searched Crocus athous. When we returned to warm air of monks cell - flowers opened and it was possible to make good pictures. For 90% I'm certain that it is valid species and must be restored in status (not only by flower but by corm tunics etc., too), but will decide this after comparing with other species from Crocus atticus family.
On pictures - Crocus athous and one of localities where pass along which those crocuses are growing was not very steep (some 100-200 m below Panagea refugee).
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Very interesting report, Janis. Not the easiest plant to find, it seems.
So in short distance at least 4-5 species.
Quite unusual to have a place with so many species closeby ?
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Very interesting report, Janis. Not the easiest plant to find, it seems.
Quite unusual to have a place with so many species close by ?
It isn't so that they all grow together but 3 species - yes - olivieri, athous and pulchellus. About chrysanthus I'm not so certain, it could be side by side, but may be I regarded as chrysanthus smaller specimens of pulchellus with narrow leaves. Crocus mazziaricus (or some of cancellatus group) were only on real rocky soil - just in splits between calkstone, but habitats there change after few meters both ways.
To reach Athos as such is not easy. There only four non-clericals allowed per day and for four days only and you must obtain "visa" at least two months before. Our greatest luck was just joining of company by Greek professor. Otherwise we couldn't get visas in time. How we could image that office will be open at 6 o'clock in morning if on doors is written - working hours from 7-30. The ship for S end of peninsula departs on around 7-00 (not mistake - just "around") , but ticket office opens at 8-00. We must reach very end of peninsula, but today ship will not go so far... So we used longer way from Agia Anna Monastery harbour.
There are stone steps up for some distance, I counted up to 4000, but after that stopped...St. Anna (Agia Anna) Monastery is located around 100-150 m over sea level and there is our first stop. Monks serve us with cup of excellent coffee, glass of cold water and small glass of own maid brandy - all this is free of charge. Going up is very steep. Soon steps ends and farther is narrow foot pass with few large stones positioned at side of gorge in most dangerous spots. Fortunately weather is nice and dry. A day before it was heavy rain and fine raining was still in early morning. I can't image ascending in rain when pass must be slippery.
Going up is not easy for heart and breathing, but all the time I'm thinking about way down on return. It will be very painful exercise for legs. But seeing first crocus leaves on top I forgot any pain, regardless of disappointment that this is not searched Crocus athous but only olivieri. Next one collected at first moment looked as true for reticulate tunic but long fibrous neck - oh, again not true - it is autumn bloomer from cancelletus group. Some hundred meters further I was finally greated with correct one, with searched one for which I came there - most likely Crocus athous, confirmed next day with flowers shown on previous entry.
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Kerasias skiff (small monastery) is situated only 600 m over sea level and adjacent sea port, but no one know - will be ship come to this point or not. So we go back by same road to largest Agia Anna. We start in dark and when we reach large croice on pass sun just rise up. Monks told that there are 2-2,5 hours needed for way back, for us it takes 3,5 hours. At Agia Anna we again got coffee, water and brandy. The chief of Monastery open for us around thousand years old church and we are greated with possibility to see one of greatest treasures of Athos - remnants (reliquie) of St. Anna - Mother of St. Maria.
From there we can see how today ship goes further by coast to Kerasia haven. Who could know this...
Still left 200 meters down and we are in port 15 minutes before departing of ship to Daphne (border control and customs) and Ouranopolis (proper Greece). In mountains of Macedonia snow changes to rain and back. From +18 C on Athos we return to winter with +2-4 C. All crocuses are under snow and we go back to Thesalloniki for two days in hotel before flying home.
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my final pot of Crocus gotoborgensis
Wow!
+1 to all! Colors are incredible.
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Thank you, Janis, for your wonderful account about your trip to the orthodox republic of Athos. The males of the Greek part of my family told me similar stories of neck-breaking steep paths and uncertainties about the ferry. Ah well - an adventure that we females will never be able to experience... :'(
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Later than 'Zwanenburg': Crocus etruscus 'Rosalind'
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Crocus korolkowii flowering in a crocus vase
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Now Crocus malyi is in blossom, the form of Karlobag with narrow pedals and the form of Sveti Roc with broader petals and a little bit more yellow in the throat.
Crocus malyi , Karlobag
'' '' , Sveti Roc and
'' kosaninii
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Some Crocus in flower in my garden today:
Crocus heuffelianus 'Schockwave'
Crocus heuffelianus 'Carpathian Wonder' (Still one of my favourites)
Crocus heuffelianus 'Dark Eyes'
Crocus minimus 'Little Girl'
Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'
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This is obviously a cultivar but it is quite amazing to me such rich colour. It does however have the politically incorrect name of 'Negro Boy'
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Thomas, I have just opened this thread for the first time and am thrilled to see your lawn and the wonderful things growing so well. All are amazing but the hybrids must be a special thrill for you. I'm pleased that your terrible winter didn't mean total devastation of your crocuses.
I am also delighted with your method of marking and isolating the crocus hybrids, for future lifting or maybe for seed. I had never thought of this way and will be saving the tags from my bread and other items at the supermarket from now on. ;D
Small parcel in the post to you tomorrow. I've been repotting at the weekend and most are well into root now but should be OK in damp paper towel and clingfilm.
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I'm more and more amazed at the... diversity!
Another... commercial :)
C. vernus Pickwick?
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The Corcus heuffelianus are stunners!
Here is Crocus karduchorum (I think...)
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Well - sorry - that is definitely not C. karduchorum. However, as I lost the label, I'm lost...
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A couple of crocuses on the raised bed today.
Edit to add names:
Crocus heuffelianus Carpathian Wonder
Crocus malyi Sveti Roc
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'Carpathian Wonder' is a delight at any time, but en masse like that, is truly amazing. ;D What a gorgeous picture.
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Yesterday, finally the snow melted enough to locate my cold frame, Today the sun came out and several crocuses are already blooming! A long wait for signs of spring in the cold snowy midwest, but the cold weather is not over, zero F (-20C) predicted again. still have over 12" average snow on the ground.
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is this Crocus laevitates have a virus?
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Can't see any symptoms. I suppose it is healthy. Why you suppose it virused?
Sorry, couldn't enlarge the second picture. It stay on my screen small sized. As I can judge - there shine through petals outside stripes. Check the leaves - if they are plain green - could be OK.
Janis
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Cyril, a very nice clump of Carpathian Wonder!
I have only a few in my garden, but I hope I can show a similar picture in a few years.
Crocus heuffelianus 'Carpathian Wonder'
C. veluchensis, cvijicii and pelistericus
C. cvijicii
C. pelistericus
C. sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten'
Poul
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A few more crocus from my garden.
Crocus biflorus 'Fairy' ? They are less blue in life.
C. biflorus/chrysanthus cultivar
C. 'Vanguard'
C. vernus hybrid
C. chrysanthus 'Constellation'
Poul
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And finally
Crocus minimus
C. korokowii
C. tommasinianus
Poul
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Lovely selection Poul
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I was regretting there are no crocuses in the south yet but yesterday, without warning, pulchelllus albus, kotschyanus, serotinus ssp serotinus, serotinus ssp salzmanii, banaticus albus and vallicola. So from now on it will be non-stop crocuses until October! Yeah ;D
I've not noticed before especially, but do white forms almost always flower before their blue siblings? I know minimus albus flowers a good two months before the coloured forms!
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large flowered crocus are often planted in mixed colours in public areas but can be effective as single or limited colours - five snaps from the verges in one East Lothian village.
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lovely showy display, Stan - they must cheer the spirits of everyone who sees them.
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I much prefer these plantings with a limited colour palette to the pick'n'mix you usually see. I think the purple and lilac combination is particularly effective.
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Hey, great to see so many wonderful Crocus. I have this labelled as Crocus biflorus var. waldsteinii 'Fairy' Can anyone confirm this?
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Hey, great to see so many wonderful Crocus. I have this labelled as Crocus biflorus var. waldsteinii 'Fairy' Can anyone confirm this?
Crocus biflorus ssp weldenii 'Fairy' .... and it looks like the plant I have grown under this name :)
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Crocus biflorus ssp weldenii 'Fairy' .... and it looks like the plant I have grown under this name :)
Your a star Tony, many thanks.
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When I had a crocus named as biflorus ssp weldenii 'Fairy' some years ago, from Van Tubergens in Holland, the flowers were white with a greyish tinge on the outside. Those in your picture look pale lilac Ross. Any comment from anyone?
Those mass plantings are really spectacular and so lovely. :)
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Lesley, when I received my Fairy from Holland they also were white with some grey,
but in the next year they had the soft blue colour you see on Pehe's and Ross' photo.
I have often noticed this in Dutch plants, maybe its due to their growing method....
perhaps anybody from the 'scene' can tell us more details....
Also the intensity of the blue is variable, darker when the flowers are young
and fading when getting older....
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Crocus veluchensis JJA 354.002 woodland ex Serbia, Kosovo,
first time blooming from 10 seeds started in January 2008- only one to make it this far.
it has been in a deep cool cold frame for 6 years.
is this identified correctly?
it does not look like the forms on Tony's Crocus Pages
is this C. vernus?
or a hybrid of veluchensis x vernus ?
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some more I have grown that I hope are named correctly
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Thanks for that Thomas. I haven't had it for a long time but I always remember it as greyish rather than the soft lavender shade. I think it stayed that colour. I would have imported it way back in the late 1960s probably.
The C. olivieri ssp balansae 'Zwanenburg' is lovely and that is one I had from Marcus a few years ago. It is still with me, happily. But Ross, do you have this one? I am conscious of some responsibility, as my friend Otto who phoned from Australia last night, says the few people there who had it, have now lost it. Mine's doing well and has increased from 1 to abut 10 in all. Marcus had it from Alan Edwards who had it from Primrose Warburg who had it from Bowles' own garden.
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Lesley,
Love the 'Chocolate Soldier', amazing.
My C. olivieri ssp balansae 'Zwanenburg' came from a Dutch man, as have quite a few of my new bulbs, so I am very interested to see if they are what they are suppose to be. Do you think my C. olivieri ssp balansae 'Zwanenburg' looks correct?
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Ross, have a look at the plant shown in the Connoiseur Collection - http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1331.msg33333#msg33333 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1331.msg33333#msg33333) and the Crocus Pages, of course:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269808828Crocus_olivieri_balansae.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269808828Crocus_olivieri_balansae.pdf) and earlier in this thread, Rimmer has a pic of his plants : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11493.msg298481#msg298481 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11493.msg298481#msg298481) - you'll see that yours looks just fine.
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oooo, just the job, many thanks Maggi :)
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Crocus veluchensis JJA 354.002 woodland ex Serbia, Kosovo,
is this identified correctly?
Patience grasshopper!
with the tepals open it looks ok, i think?
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Crocus biflorus isauricus JJA 034.1250
seed started Jan 2008
this is a very variable seed lot
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Lesley, when I received my Fairy from Holland they also were white with some grey,
but in the next year they had the soft blue colour you see on Pehe's and Ross' photo.
I have often noticed this in Dutch plants, maybe its due to their growing method....
perhaps anybody from the 'scene' can tell us more details....
Also the intensity of the blue is variable, darker when the flowers are young
and fading when getting older....
I have had the same experience. When I received a few bulbs about 12 years ago they were more grey than blue, but have gradually turned more blue. Because of that I was in doubt that it was biflorus weldenii Fairy. But after Thomas' explanation I am quite sure that it is Fairy.
It is a very good garden crocus.
Poul
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Patience grasshopper!
with the tepals open it looks ok, i think?
Quite doubtful. Confused by "v" mark on top of petals. No one of mine acquisitions of veluchensis has such - just checked pictures made wild in Macedonia last summer - no one has such mark. It is more characteristic to some forms of vernus/heuffelianus/scepusiensis. I really have one stock got as veluchensis from Jim looking as this one pictured by you, but I put large "?" mark at its name.
Janis
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Quite doubtful. Confused by "v" mark on top of petals. No one of mine acquisitions of veluchensis has such - just checked pictures made wild in Macedonia last summer - no one has such mark. It is more characteristic to some forms of vernus/heuffelianus/scepusiensis. I really have one stock got as veluchensis from Jim looking as this one pictured by you, but I put large "?" mark at its name.
Janis
Thanks, i should have stuck with my initial impressions of a vernus type.
with 2 days above freezing in a row the snow is rapidly melting and things are popping up quickly!
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Rimmer
as you know I thought it was a vernus but here is a Crocus sieberi with a 'v' shaped marking from Mt Parnassus where it is a very mixed population of sieberi/veluchensis
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Rimmer
as you know I thought it was a vernus but here is a Crocus sieberi with a 'v' shaped marking from Mt Parnassus where it is a very mixed population of sieberi/veluchensis
Hi Tony
yours is a very nice coloration!
how did you determine it was Crocus sieberi?
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Rimmer
collected it on Parnassus where sieberi grows,slight yellow in throat to distinguish it from veluchensis.
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What's the correct pronunciation of sieberi please? I've heard 'seeberi'; 'sybeeri' and 'syberi'
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Slovenia is covered in Crocus vernus ssp. vernus and Crocus vernus ssp. albiflorus at the moment!
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What's the correct pronunciation of sieberi please? I've heard 'seeberi'; 'sybeeri' and 'syberi'
My answer is how you feel comfortable pronouncing it !
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Well that'll do me Tony.
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What's the correct pronunciation of sieberi please? I've heard 'seeberi'; 'sybeeri' and 'syberi'
Tony W is right of course!
I say seeberi.
Next lesson: How to pronounce cvijicii ;)
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Thanks Tonyg, I like that pronunciation best, I shall adopt it :)
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Thanks Tonyg, I like that pronunciation best, I shall adopt it :)
But you did not rise to the svee-each-e-i challenge .....darn, I gave it away!
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It's a sneeze isn't it? ;D
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But you did not rise to the svee-each-e-i challenge .....darn, I gave it away!
Can we stay away from Bowles, that upper class English twit? Despite Brian Mathew, his comments are not at all amusing. They reflect a crass & lazy English mentality which regards all things foreign as funny. So a paeony has to be "Molly the Witch - hilarious!
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Tony W is right of course!
I say seeberi.
Next lesson: How to pronounce cvijicii ;)
Regarding cvijicii - play on violin... (recommendation by E.A. Bowles)
On mainland Greece are growing only atticus, sublimis, nivalis and athous
Crocus sieberi grow only on Crete.
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Can we stay away from Bowles, that upper class English twit? Despite Brian Mathew, his comments are not at all amusing. They reflect a crass & lazy English mentality which regards all things foreign as funny. So a paeony has to be "Molly the Witch - hilarious!
I'm sure that other countries have more than a few laughs at the expense of our language with it's inconsistencies and idiosyncrasies. Indeed playing with words is at the root of much great English comedy :)
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Regarding cvijicii - play on violin... (recommendation by E.A. Bowles)
In that case I'd have to agree with Gerry. NOT amusing!
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In that case I'd have to agree with Gerry. NOT amusing!
I'm always reeding Bowles with greatest pleasure - so beautiful comparings, specific English proverbs. Need a little thinking to understand what will be the Latvian equivalent and then you find how same things can be explained in various nations. It is very interesting and enlarges your world. No one is thinking that it is bad or abusive. So I can't understand why you feel so... What is bad in "cvijicii" plaid on violin? I use same comparing when I'm making lectures in Latvia, too, of course citing Bowles as author. It is fantastic and shows how intelligent and educated was E. A. Bowles.
Janis
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English 'humour' -
“Crocus cvijicii
The seemingly unpronounceable specific name of this Balkan Crocus commemorates Professor Jovan Cvijicic a Yugoslavian geologist noted for his particular knowledge of Macedonia. The nearest equivalent sound seems to be ‘shveeyeech-e-e’, and the amusing comment by E. A. Bowles, that it might be best to imitate a sneeze or play it on the violin, it seems sound advice!”
B. Mathew The Crocus (p 61)
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.....but is it meant to be sound effect advice?
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Janis, I was assuming, perhaps wrongly, that the comment from Bowles was disparaging of the violin which I happen to love very much indeed. :)
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with the last Crocus this spring,
Crocus exiguus from Croatia
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and more,
Crocus minimus from Col de Bavella, Corsica
`` `` 'Little Girl', the Crocus with the shortes stem?
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I wanted to have fertile Crocus flavus in my garden and hopefully I have it. There are two reasons:
1. The only crocus that reliably survived winters and my local conditions is Golden Yellow, but it is sterile. C. chrysanthus cultivars tend to die due to frost injury. Crocus korolkowii and angustifolus - are not growing well.
2. When I was a student I was skiing in Pamporovo, Rhodope Mountains, Bulgaria. Except skiing I wanted to do some mountain walks, but because the resort is located close to Greek border and it was still the communist time - soldiers stopped me. Then instead of going up I decided to go down into w wild valley and there I saw yellow crocuses. It had to be C. flavus.
OK, so I bought some corms. Because Janis says in his book that they like to grow deep in soil - I did it. Playing like a child in the sandpit or rather like a mole, using different tools including a table spoon - I managed to plant them DEEP. Down to 40 cm.
And now I have the result - the latest crocus in my garden.
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Next time I will plant deeper - may be they will show up in Australia?? ;D