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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: mark smyth on February 28, 2014, 09:03:24 PM
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Isnt this a fantastic spathe? Its very distinctive
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Were you a premature baby? ;)
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I don't see the link ???
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Wow,March already?
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I know - crazy. Two extra hours daylight since Christmas. Plants in the green house jumping for joy because the sun, when its out, now shines on them again
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ouaiiiiii! c'est parti le printemps!!! ;)
angustifolius
nivalis
trojanus
alpinus
lagodechianus
G. trojanus - a unique relic species, the most ancient and plesiomorphic Galanthus species morpha with chracteristic i.p.s. sinus, standing cladistically alone between Platyphyllys clade the most ancient species (krasnovii, panjutinii and platyphyllus) and all the rest Galanthus species.
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Not well distributed to date but I think this will take the accolades as the best of Irish snowdrops.
Galanthus 'Barnhill'
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Very nice Paddy, is it tall?
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Not well distributed to date but I think this will take the accolades as the best of Irish snowdrops.
Galanthus 'Barnhill'
What is the story behind it, Paddy? (The name strikes a chord with me because a wonderful SRGC stalwart, the late Joyce Halley, who worked tirelssly for the Seed Exchange over many years, lived at "Barnhill" in Broughty Ferry , so it would be a name easy to remember!)
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Brian,
I was very kindly given a bulb last year and it produced two flowers this year - a good start to its time in our garden. In its first season with me it is about 6inches tall.
Maggi,
It came to me from a lady who lives near Dublin and she had it from the garden of the late David Shackleton in Cloncilla, Co. Dublin. I am nearly certain of these facts though not entirely certain. I had seen it in this lady's garden over the previous two seasons and was very impressed by it. She says it is very vigorous and generally produces two flowers per bulb.
Here is a shot of a clump in her garden.
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'Barnhill' looks to be a robust upstanding sort of 'drop - I like that!
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Well I am so ooooo pleased I have had this since 2008 and it is the first time that has flowered in all that time.............................but I think it was worth the wait
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I provided the link below in the February web-stream but then remembered that today is actually St David's Day 1st March!
So here goes a second time!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/gardeningpicturegalleries/10631794/Beautiful-snowdrops-in-bloom-in-pics.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/gardeningpicturegalleries/10631794/Beautiful-snowdrops-in-bloom-in-pics.html)
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In Finland this winter has been very mild and in the south with very little snow, and even that has melted during the last week. The temperatures have been now little over 0°C in the daytime and below 0°C during nights. The ground is still frozen, but not so much as usually. The weather forecast is promising the same mild weather to continue all March :) (last winter all March was -15-20° with lot of snow still), so this is going to be a wonderfully long season for snowdrops this year, compared to last year when they flowered in the last two weeks of April, after the snow finally melted.
These pictures are from today, just to show how the snowdrops are doing here right now.
In the first picture there is G.nivalis 'Flore Pleno' and on the right a possible 'Atkinsii', the person who gave them to me wasn't sure, but it is one of the earliest now, just little behind 'Mrs Macnamara'. Only now I realized that 'Flore Pleno' is earlier now than my normal G.nivalis.
Second picture is 'Magnet'
Third picture is 'S.Arnott'
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Not well distributed to date but I think this will take the accolades as the best of Irish snowdrops.
Galanthus 'Barnhill'
Looking great.
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Many galanthus now past their best but Selina Cords and Angelina still looking ok.
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Angelina, very nice Melyyn. One of my Ecusson d'Ors this year has developed donkey's ears (or is it rabbit's ears ?).
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Wow, Andre. Maybe this implies some Scharlockii ancestry? Or you have accidentally created a hybrid.
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... this is going to be a wonderfully long season for snowdrops this year,
That's a nice position to be in, Leena. Most of my snowdrops are going-over now after a short season caused by weather that has remained mild (in temperature) the whole winter.
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I have seen a number of scharlockii ears on Ecusson d'Ors , it seems to be a random occurrence
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Thanks Alan. :) Last night we got some snow, but I'm sure it will melt away today.
Many galanthus now past their best but Selina Cords and Angelina still looking ok.
Selina Cords looks lovely and it is good to know which ones are late over there, so they might be good to grow here, too.
Diggory seems to be quite early, this was planted last summer and looked yesterday like this.
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I have seen a number of scharlockii ears on Ecusson d'Ors , it seems to be a random occurrence
Are there other snowdrop cultivars that do this, i.e. ocassionally produce Scharlockii 'ears'?
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Just from today because its springtime or it feels like anyway;
And just before i go out snowdrophunting in one of my favorite forrests, pics later ;D
nr 1 the elwesii with green at the base of the outer petals
nr 2 elwesii with 4 leaves i have seen several with 3 but 4 ???
nr 3 the same one with 4 leaves must be a big bulb.
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One of my favourite snowdrops Percy Picton. It reminds me of the man and it is such an elegant plant
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Just back from the woods. I have seen more then a million snowdrops at least ;D
I even have seen them growing almost in a vertical way :o
And i found one of the tallest nivalis ever 40 to 45 cm :o
Last pic there is a normal 15 cm nivalis in the middle of the bunch.
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At the end there was some time to make a selfie in a snowdropbed and getting drunk of the immense scent of snowdrops ;D
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I think this is one of the nicest yellow ones out there!
Galanthus nivalis 'Grake's Yellow'
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I think you are right Wim, it really is very nice!
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At the end there was some time to make a selfie in a snowdropbed and getting drunk of the immense scent of snowdrops ;D
Gerard - I thought that was a pic of you at a sales table. ;)
johnw
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prachtig Wim! Damn this is a must have
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Gerard, what wonderful pictures of the galanthus in the woods. I've never seen it like that.
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prachtig Wim! Damn this is a must have
Dank je, Yann! Even though it's a very good multiplier, it's not growing quick enough to supply the demand (unless through chipping).
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Gerard - I thought that was a pic of you at a sales table. ;)
johnw
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I never look that serious behind a table ;D This time i got 2 wet knees ;D
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Seeing this spring in a garden my last-year Armenian snowdrop collections, I can tell now again about snowdrop vernation and its some unstable nature within one species, even within one localized population: for example, G. lagodechianus species within Armenia (both northern and southern loci), which classically possess applanate vernation, but in broad-leaved plants it is still supervolute!! - see an image. It's just such broad-leafed clone of this species with clear supervolute vernation flowering this year at me (I suppose for these broad-leafed clones it should be genetically determined, other words, the same broad-leafed plants couldn't have one year applanate and other year supervolute vernation). Hence, there is 70-year-old taxonomic confusion history both for G. lagodechianus and G. transcaucasicus in Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran. So, now I can note in Armenia G. lagodechianus and G. alpinus are ONLY distributed, but in Azerbaijan and Iran G. lagodechianus, G. alpinus and G. transcaucasicus occur.
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Very interested in your observations Dimitri, some of us have been looking at the populations of G.graecus in the Vermion area of Northern Greece to see the leaves at vernation and believe that both applanate and supervolute are present in the same population. I wonder if there is a factor to do with the maturity of the plant as they all seem applanate as seedlings and then some become supervolute at flowering size.
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Very interested in your observations Dimitri, some of us have been looking at the populations of G.graecus in the Vermion area of Northern Greece to see the leaves at vernation and believe that both applanate and supervolute are present in the same population. I wonder if there is a factor to do with the maturity of the plant as they all seem applanate as seedlings and then some become supervolute at flowering size.
Exactly, Melvyn, here below our field observations from a known paper, 2013, p. 214, on a different types of vernation in a same population of G. elwesii sensu lato (cfr. G. graecus) in Greece and Ukraine. Such two type vernations have been observed not only in juvenile, but at fully generative individuals (vegetative clones). All Turkish G. elwesii sensu stricto plants have only supervolute vernation.
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Todays photography task ;D
The second photo is large at 1000 pixels wide
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Lovely seeing the varieties together. Are there 26 or 27? Couldn't see Diggory - one of the few I can recognise.
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Possibly 29. Diggory is over for another year
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Maybe I'll retake the photo tomorrow and set them out so all inners can be seen and have the tallest at the back
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Really nice way of displaying them, is that custom made?
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I bought it in Habitat
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Ta, might have to pinch that idea :)
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Hello! ;D
I have not much Galanthus.
My last year in england ordered`Blonde Inge`is flowering now.
I am happy that is it yellow in the first year.
Kind regards- Daniel
(http://666kb.com/i/cmbpvi9ioipbxtl3v.jpg)
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Can anyone tell me how to tell the difference between Fieldgate Forte and Fieldgate Fortissimo?
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Did anyone buy a huge leaved, large flowered G. plicatus plicatus from Margaret Owen several years back? My label is gone. I'll photograph the whole plant tomorrow
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Thank you Oakwood, for the pictures and observations of the snowdrops in the nature, I find them very interesting. :)
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Such wonderful detail in your photos Mark, I really must get round to buying a better camera.
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Not much left now but a few things clinging on in shady spots.
Wendy's Gold
David Shackleton
Greenish
Peardrop
Trymlet
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Such wonderful detail in your photos Mark, I really must get round to buying a better camera.
Thanks. The majority of my photos are taken with a point and shoot Canon IXUS 230HS
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-IXUS-230-Digital-Camera/dp/B005I8XMJA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393943278&sr=8-1&keywords=Canon+IXUS+230HS (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-IXUS-230-Digital-Camera/dp/B005I8XMJA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393943278&sr=8-1&keywords=Canon+IXUS+230HS)
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The large plicatus from Margaret Owen
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Exactly, Melvyn, here below our field observations from a known paper, 2013, p. 214, on a different types of vernation in a same population of G. elwesii sensu lato (cfr. G. graecus) in Greece and Ukraine. Such two type vernations have been observed not only in juvenile, but at fully generative individuals (vegetative clones). All Turkish G. elwesii sensu stricto plants have only supervolute vernation.
Very interesting and informative, Dimitri. Thank you very much!
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Just from today found about 24 selections, no worldrecord but quite a lot and a lot administration.
At first look to nongalantophiles they look all the same, but with the inevitable wet knee you start seeing the differences ;D
They even grow in the water!
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part 2 ;D
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part 3 ;D
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part 4 ;D
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part 5 ;D The last ones pffffew!
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Gerard,
If ever you need anyone to carry your rucksack,I'm your man ;D ;D ;D
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We take a large wheelbarrow Steve ;D ;D ;D
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We take a large wheelbarrow Steve ;D ;D ;D
And a boat??? ;D
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When you have time we can have a look together. Maybe there are more who would like to have a look, i can organise a tour. But NO wheelbarrow or rucksack only photoequipment and you do the rowing ;D
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I love looking at snowdrops and would gladly take a tour - but I cannot row for toffee.
Is it my imagination or is the mark near the base of the snowdrop in picture 2 of the second set a perfect heart shape? It certainly looks that way in the one we can see most clearly. Now that really would make for a perfect valentine snowdrop.
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Is it my imagination or is the mark near the base of the snowdrop in picture 2 of the second set a perfect heart shape? It certainly looks that way in the one we can see most clearly. Now that really would make fora perfect valentine snowdrop.
Looks perfect to me but does it flower for Feb 14th?
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I love looking at snowdrops and would gladly take a tour - but I cannot row for toffee.
Is it my imagination or is the mark near the base of the snowdrop in picture 2 of the second set a perfect heart shape? It certainly looks that way in the one we can see most clearly. Now that really would make for a perfect valentine snowdrop.
Maybe you want to row for coffee ;D And some to go with that coffee of course!
Here are some more pics and the first one is out of the same group like the hartshape snowdrop. There are so many seedlings that have started to clump up, but you can see also the relation they have because of the markings.
The last one is totally different with the big yellowish/green mark.
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Looks perfect to me but does it flower for Feb 14th?
Could flower around the 14th but not here, its flowering now.
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I can row :D a bit
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Could we take a canoe instead? I know how to work one of those. Or a punt for that matter. I just don't seem to be able to co-ordinate both arms to do the same thing at the same time when trying to row a boat.
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Oh, and if it turns out that heart-shape-marked valentine snowdrop flowers in time for Feb 14th in the UK then clearly what you need is a UK agent to sell it here for vast sums of money and a share of the profits. I'm your man!
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Steve made a joke about a boat. I have one forrest that can only be reached by boat, this one not, besides that i have to look for a roman slaveboat ;D Just one peddel per person ;D
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What about pedalos, no rowing needed !
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... i had to look for a roman slaveboat ;D ...
In that case, can I be the guy with the whip?
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Can anyone tell me how to tell the difference between Fieldgate Forte and Fieldgate Fortissimo?
Can I assume I'm the only one who has both?
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I cannot find much in the way of info on Fieldgate Fortissimo, Mark - are you sure it's not just a fat Forte?
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When I Google it the trail leads back to me ???
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9410.new;wap2 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9410.new;wap2)
The link reads
Does anyone have photos of or know anything about
Bucks Green Tip
Excelsis
Fieldgate Fortissimo
Fieldgate Tiffany
Green Ribbon
Hercule
Myddelton Giant
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Well then you know who to ask, Mark! I bought a snowdrop last year that I think was named Bowles' Giant (I cannot check right now) - not that it is giant by modern standards. That could easily be the same one as 'Myddleton giant' but that's not the question you are asking this time round.
'Fieldgate' = Colin Mason (I think) so perhaps if you wrote to him he could explain the difference?
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Galanthus plicatus 'Baxendale's Late'.
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I guess we know it is near the end of the season (in England) when we start seeing pictures of 'Baxendale's Late'. I'm starting to get withdrawal symptoms already.
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Ian was looking at the garden, just before leaving to talk at the Stirling Group this evening - The snowdrops are looking pretty, he says - next year we should have a garden open when the English events are over .....
Luckily I was already sitting down .
Not able to speak, reduced to opening an closing my mouth like a guppy, he took pity on me: No, it wouldn't work - we've got no labels.....
Phew, he had me worried there.......
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In that case, can I be the guy with the whip?
With such a strong forummembers we dont need a whip, but i do the drums ;D
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Can I assume I'm the only one who has both?
Perhaps not Mark, I believe it was being sold this year at the sales, but I missed out on them.
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Slow to increase here and good slug bait G krasnovii
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Another looking nice today
Cowhouse green
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That a fantastic shot of 'Cowhouse Green', Ian. I really wonder if that snowdrop doesn't look better in photographs than it does in life. I've certainly come across some pallid unattractive examples when looking round gardens.
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Slow to increase here and good slug bait G krasnovii
Super snowdrop though.
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A great photo Ian..............hopefully my clump will soon have as many flowers
I really like 'Cowhouse Green'. It has a good sized flower it's green colouring is a little softer then the more recent virescent introductions.
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That a fantastic shot of 'Cowhouse Green', Ian. I really wonder if that snowdrop doesn't look better in photographs than it does in life.
I think Cowhouse Green looks best when its open and you can have a close look at it
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I like the way that the green on the inner 'bleeds' up the side of the petal.
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elwesii 'Hercule' the size of leeks .... not in mine. Try chives maybe
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elwesii 'Hercule' the size of leeks .... not in mine. Try chives maybe
My 'Hercule' is 25cms to the top of the spathe with leaves 20cms long and 2cms wide - so quite a chunky chap - but he's only a lad - I think I only got him last year.
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Little Ben is taller than mine!
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Richards garden looks great.
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I guess we know it is near the end of the season (in England) when we start seeing pictures of 'Baxendale's Late'. I'm starting to get withdrawal symptoms already.
You can all come over to the mid-Atlantic U.S. where the snowdrop season hasn't started yet. My drops that usually open in early January are not extended. It was 5 degrees F (-15 C) the night before last at least 25 degrees below normal. Snowdrops in May?
Love the photos and comments about 'Cowhouse Green' which is going to bloom in my garden for the first time this spring.
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That a fantastic shot of 'Cowhouse Green', Ian. I really wonder if that snowdrop doesn't look better in photographs than it does in life. I've certainly come across some pallid unattractive examples when looking round gardens.
A great photo Ian..............hopefully my clump will soon have as many flowers
I really like 'Cowhouse Green'. It has a good sized flower it's green colouring is a little softer then the more recent virescent introductions.
Yes it is worthy a close look when open in the sunshine. The more I look at the more I'm taken with it
Here is another photographed today Spindlestone Surprise.
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The following Galanthus are very similar, but the leaves are different.
1. Federgrüner
2. Hugh Mackenzie
3 .Fiona Mackenzie
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Lovely 'Spindlestone Surprise' clump, Ian!
And those green stripes are very fetching, Uwe!
Here is an aptly named G. nivalis 'Poculiperfect'
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Can anyone tell me how to tell the difference between Fieldgate Forte and Fieldgate Fortissimo?
well, well ... I now have an answer. Names have been changed to protect the innocent
Person A supplied a bulb of Greenfinch to person B.
It was twinned and twinned again before flowering. When it flowered it wasn't Greenfinch
When person C saw the flowers s/he said that's Fieldgate Fortissimio!
Person B sold the wrongly supplied bulbs as Fieldgate Fortissimo
Person D was selling plants at an event. Person C said those aren't Fieldgate Forte they're Fieldgate Fortissimo!
After seeing the plants in flower this year with person B person C agreed its Fieldgate Forte
Even the best get it wrong
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Sorry, you lost me there Mark. Are you saying that 'Greenfinch', 'Fieldgate Forte' and 'Fieldgate Fortissimo' are all one and the same?
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My greenfinch doesn't look like fieldgate forte ???
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I've reworded the above - sorry for the confusion.
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Super snowdrop though.
Yes I think so Maggi I am trying to grow as many of the species as I can
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Here is an aptly named G. nivalis 'Poculiperfect'
Is it always neat?
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Sorry, you lost me there Mark. Are you saying that 'Greenfinch', 'Fieldgate Forte' and 'Fieldgate Fortissimo' are all one and the same?
If you bought Fieldgate Fortissimo from Avon its actually Fieldgate Forte. Looks like only I bought some
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Does the world green snowdrops ;D ?
Galanthus 'Oh je'
(http://abload.de/img/dscn65781mecx.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=dscn65781mecx.jpg)
Rudi
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Good gracious me Ru, how wonderful :o :o
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Wow fantastic
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I could say "No the world does not - so I'll take it off your hands for you" but I would be lying. Oh ye ye ye!
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Galanthus plicatus 'Warham Rectory'.
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Mark
I'm confused now as to whether you think Fieldgate Forte and Fieldgate Fortissimo are the same plan (unlikely, since Colin Mason will have named each) or whether you believe your source of supply has sold/given you the wrong plant, or ....?
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Very simply ... if anyone bought Fieldgate Fortissimo from Avon it isn't. Its Fieldgate Forte
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And does Fortissimo actually exist, or was it, as I suggested earlier, just a mis-identification from a fat Forte?
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Peron C thinks there is ;D
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Person C thinks there is ;D
Such fun !
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And does Fortissimo actually exist, or was it, as I suggested earlier, just a mis-identification from a fat Forte?
Notes from 2011
Galanthus 'Fieldgate Fortissimo '.
Large distinct green marking on the outer segments. Broad spathe valves. 'Fieldgate Forte' was usurped by seedlings that germinated within the clump.
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At first there was FIELDGATE FORTE. It has only a few green lines on the tops of the outers. But a few of us got FIELDGATE FORTISSIMO (under the name F. FORTE), with big green blotches on the outers. Last year Avon Bulbs delivered FIELDGATE FORTISSIMO out.
This is the small story.
If anyone would like to swap FIELDGATE FORTISSIMO....???
Here is "only" FIELDGATE FORTE.
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This is the spathe of Fieldgate
Fortissimo Forte
Brian have you seen Fieldgate Fortissimo?
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Does anyone have a photo of leaves and flowers for elwesii Robin Hall? Mine just open this week have narrow glaucous leaves with large flowers. Weather permitting I'll take photos tomorrow. I could have done it today but although it was 12c and flowers were wide open it was very dull and pelting down
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I was going to say I'll check mine tomorrow, Mark - but I think it is Robin Hood not Robin Hall - easy to get muddled, I'm afraid!
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It's good to hear Fortissimo is not a figment of the imagination - such a promising name.
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elwesii Robin Hall?
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elwesii Robin Hall?
If it is, I can see no features that mark it out of the ordinary run of nameless elwesiis except, perhaps, that it produces two scapes per bulb.
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Mark - Here's a blurred picture of 'Robin Hall' at Primrose Hill from way back. It was slightly bigger than 'Cicely Hall' but not unforgettable.
johnw
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Everyone's comments about 'rowing' seem quite apt when you miss out on this thread for a few days! I'm also very taken with 'Cowhouse Green' - it seems a very refined sort of snowdrop with such a subtle colouration, and the photo really does capture that - it seems very slow to increase with us which perhaps makes it even more special. Where do you go beyond 'Fortissimo'? We have the tiniest and most delicate form of reginae-olgae quite early in the season and from then on snowdrops just seem to get bigger and bigger! Flowering now is 'Marjorie Brown', which looks a nice thing, along with 'The Linns', a quite distinctive very upright plant with short pedicels and good in the garden.
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The Linns is a fabulous snowdrop that takes the season in to March. Just when I think its not going to come up it almost suddenly appears above ground
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elwesii Robin Hall?
This is as far as I can tell Straffan.
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Sue and Wol Staines have been kind enough to supply this information about Galanthus 'Fieldgate Fortissimo'
"On a visit to Glen Chantry in 2010 Matt Bishop saw our plants of what was labelled Fieldgate Forte. He instantly said that it was not Forte but something that was much better and got quite excited! A flower was taken by Matt to Margaret Owen’s Party where Matt and Colin Mason decided it should be called Fieldgate Fortissimo continuing Colin’s musical theme and acknowledging its superior quality.
The outer of the flowers have green claws and solid, much heavier green tips. The inners are a solid green. It is a very distinct later season snowdrop. I attach a photo where sunlight has faded the right hand claw mark a little. A pretty rare event this year!!"
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Many thanks to Sue and Wol for their help.
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Sue and Wol also said that " Perhaps more people have Fortissimo than they realize" :)
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I was about to say that as 'Fieldgate Fortissimo' was found in 2010 then surely only Gen Chantry, where it originated, could possibly have stock to sell before this year. But now we get into the grey area that if you bought a 'Fieldgate Forte' but now decide it looks like 'Fieldgate Fortissimo', can you change the label on the assumption that you suffered from the same happy accident as Wol and Sue?
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So Fortissimo looks like Forte except it has better green tips ... and we know green tips can be variable
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Made time today to get the camera out; here are
1. Alburgh Claw
2. Boyds Double (the first time I have persuaded it to flower in eight years.
3. Carolyn Elwes.
4. Cicely Hall, now a nice clump.
5. Esther Merton, just losing its bandbox freshness.
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And a few more:
6. Marlie Raphael - a variable clone.
7. Moonlight outside. A tiny nivalis, little more than 3 cm high. Found on an embankment at Edgware tube station.
8. Moonlight inside.
9. Nero - an Italian jobbie.
10. Sweetheart.
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And finally
11. A late seedling, un-named.
12. Virescens.
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Steve,Beautiful plants :o :o .I like Moonlight and Sweetheart.It's first time i've seen those two,lovely.
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Yeah Moonlight is lovely
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And finally
11. A late seedling, un-named.
12. Virescens.
Ahah! Now I know who to go to for 'Virescens' pollen :)
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Today i had a visitor here called the Snowdropcollector ;D Together we walked through the wild plicatus and found this one!
In the pic its the one in the middle, very strange drop :o
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In the pic its the one in the middle, very strange drop :o
The one that is stuck closed?
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Some not very tall elwesii Hercule ???
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You sure there's not someone under them holding them down, Mark? ::) ;)
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Hi Ian how is your species collection going? I am hoping to get Galanthus lagodechianus in the next week or so. I think I will have about ten different species then.
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The one that is stuck closed?
Yes Mark the one that starts to look like Moses basket.
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Hi John. I have g. lagodechianus just going over but G. transcaucasicus and G.krasnovii in flower just now most of the G alpines are over as they have some cover, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Some pictures of snowdrops seen in Germany with a collector. Some named, most unnamed....... still...... :o
Federschwingen
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Ipsylon
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A few more great looking snowdrops....
Charlotte
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And the last ones..... :P
Drachen Giebel
Petra
Donau Hertzen
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Really nice finds. :) I like most 9715.
'Ray Cobb' is the earliest of my yellow snowdrops, flowering for the first time this spring. It is so small. :)
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Very nice pictures, Richard.
I like them all.
It is a pity there are two snowdrops called Charlotte now.
The other one is a nivalis selected by Jan Huisman.
But I like the german one much better.
Lina.
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Hello, yes very nice snowdrops I would like to know are they all Gal. elwesii forms? cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Great plants Richard.Federschwingen is more beautiful everytime i see it.
Here's a couple from today.
1. Fieldgate Fortissimo :-from Avon bulbs
2. Green Mile :- From the green mile nursery.Flowering here for the third week and still stunning,although the colour is faded quite abit.
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Maggi,
I wish we had the graphics from the flemish forum,There amazing ;D
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Sorry,Forgot to post the other 'Green Mile photo. 8)
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Thank you all for the nice comments, but please note they are not my snowdrops :-\. I have a few of those now ;D.
Ian, they are not Elwesii, it is all Nivalis. A few could be Hybrids, but as far I could see it is all Nivalis.
Lina, I only know this 'Charlotte' is named after the collectors grand child
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Maggi,
I wish we had the graphics from the flemish forum,There amazing ;D
I think this is what t you need :
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Speaking of great plants Steve............. :o :o, yours looks great also !!
Thank you for posting the pictures :D
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I think this is what t you need :
(Attachment Link)
Lol
I wish i had the one with the bag over the head ;D
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Here's a couple from today.
1. Fieldgate Fortissimo :-from Avon bulbs
which we now know is Fieldgate Forte according to Alan
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Lol
I wish i had the one with the bag over the head ;D
That's this one, I think...... [attachimg=1]
or perhaps this : [attachimg=2]
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That's this one, I think...... (Attachment Link)
That's the one it makes,LoL ;D ;D ;D
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which we now know is Fieldgate Forte according to Alan
Yeah Mark.
Lets call it Fieldgate **** Knows.Or has that name already gone?. ;D
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That's this one, I think...... (Attachment Link)
or perhaps this : (Attachment Link)
I'm still laughing ;D
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It is a pity there are two snowdrops called Charlotte now.
The other one is a nivalis selected by Jan Huisman.
There was actually a third one distributed by Joe Sharman, a poculifrom nivalis with a split spathe, but that one was renamed to 'Charlotte Jean' when he found that the name 'Charlotte' was already in use. I have never been able to spot anything at all to distinguish Jan Huisman's 'Charlotte' from a run-of-the-mill nivalis but he got first dibs on the name.
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You are right, Alan. I do grow G. nivalis 'Charlotte' and it is not different.
It is a pity Huisman named it.
Lina.
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lots of lovely snowdrops, thanks for posting them all folks.
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I hardly think of snowdrops in March but these are a few later flowers... (mostly over now, so only just into the month).
G. x allenii - I think pretty rarely grown or pictured, but perhaps I missed it. It hasn't increased much but...
G. hybrid - this might have G. x allenii in its parentage? Nearby is 'Gerard Parker' which also looks to have crossed with nivalis, though these are now all over.
G. ikariae - a super species which sets masses of seed and self-sows freely (originally came from Kath Dryden). This is still flowering strongly. Why does it seem so rarely grown?
G. woronowii - differs from ikariae in not setting seed, with glossier leaves and a much smaller marking to the inner tepals. These are two forms - one with tiny flowers (actually charming in its way) and a much finer and elegant form. Perhaps I should try to cross between them and see if some seed is set? There are several other woronowii in the garden too - question: are these sterile in their natural habitat like some forms of nivalis?
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My mum has a seeding form of woronowii in her garden , it's spreading down a grassy bank
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Today has been probably the nicest of the year so far - warm and sunny - the 'drops are looking nice so here are a few pix - click them to enlarge
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a few more
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Maggi are you sure you two have no interest in snowdrops?
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Maggi, not enough YELLOW!
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Tim I also find allenii very slow. ikariae dwindles for me and never set seed. Nice to see you have the 'eyed' woronowii also
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Maggi, not enough YELLOW!
Trust me, Matt - there's plenty yellow, but I'm pandering to the drop fiends here ::) ;D
( not too many daffs out yet though....)
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Maggi are you sure you two have no interest in snowdrops?
Only in filling up the spaces between crocus, corydalis and erythronium, Mark, honest!
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Love that wonderful mix of plants Maggi; this is what I am aiming for with the woodland plantings but we have a long way to go, and we keep digging things up to divide them! So Emma's mum has woronowii seeding and Mark has ikariae not - completely the opposite to me - what a perverse world we live in sometimes (I shall have to send you some of my ikariae seedlings Mark, and talk kindly to Emma to get some seed of woronowii!). I just have to show this white daff. now - N. panizzianus - could be a sort of closet snowdrop!
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You are right, Alan. I do grow G. nivalis 'Charlotte' and it is not different.
It is a pity Huisman named it.
Lina.
Lina, the late Jan Huisman had this snowdrop named after his granddaughter because it gives a lot of flowers from a small clump, thats the difference! There are snowdrops that give a lot of leaves and almost no flowers, i prefer the first ones! For the rest its a normal snowdrop! If i had found it, i probably given it away!
But people have different tastes, and about taste you cant argue!
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Maggi, the garden looks great with all those drops, leucojum and white corydalis.
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Gerard, I bought it because I have a granddaughter called Charlotte too.
And that is why I grow it sepparatly in my garden. Otherwise I would have put them together with the normal nivalisses.
The german G. 'Charlotte' is now on top of my wishlist.😀
And so are plants with the names of my other two granddaughters, Maren and Sophie.
I am just a silly oma.☺️
Lina.
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Maggi, your garden is a paradise and an inspiration!
About G.woronovii: I think I saw seedlings around my G.woronovii last spring, I will have to check this year if they are G.woronovii-seedlings and if there are seeds pods in the adult plants. This is G.woronovii bought just from supermarket some years ago.
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Dear Maggie we know you really love the wee white flowers. Weather here strange had hailstones snow showers and sunshine today some snowdrops just starting to flower, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Weather here strange had hailstones snow showers and sunshine today some snowdrops just starting to flower, cheers Ian the Christie kind
We had a beautiful day here, Ian - we were really thinking it must be spring - but if you had hail and snow we might be getting ahead of ourselves and maybe winter is not over yet.
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Maggi Isn't spring a wonderful thing.....specially in your garden :) Beautiful.
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Love that wonderful mix of plants Maggi; this is what I am aiming for with the woodland plantings but we have a long way to go, and we keep digging things up to divide them! So Emma's mum has woronowii seeding and Mark has ikariae not - completely the opposite to me - what a perverse world we live in sometimes (I shall have to send you some of my ikariae seedlings Mark, and talk kindly to Emma to get some seed of woronowii!). I just have to show this white daff. now - N. panizzianus - could be a sort of closet snowdrop!
I will talk to the mum and get you some of the seed for you to try
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Ian,
Thanks for the pictures. :) Is Green Shadow a seedling from Castle Green Dragon? .I love Praha is that a german one?.
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Hi ichristie thanks for the message I have ordered lagodechianus & another of fosteri to try outside see how it does. I envy you having alpinus & transcaucasicus I cant seen to find then anywhere. I came across a nursery in Ireland selling krasnovii for 95 euro, wether that was for one bulb or a few i'm not sure i'm just glad I was already sitting down.
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Why not grow them from seed John?
Much cheaper and you get variation.
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where do you get the seed from Ashley?
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I also love the green ones in Ian's pictures. :)
Last autumn I planted Falkland House, and it is now coming up. A week ago came some leaves first, and now something big and white is showing :o :). I think it looks peculiar. Is this how it usually comes up or have I planted it too deep or something?
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I think it looks peculiar. Is this how it usually comes up or have I planted it too deep or something?
It looks peculiar because the flower is emerging free from the spathe. I have noticed that sometimes happens with the second flower of a snowdrop that produces two scapes per bulb but I have not observed it with the first flower. Snowdrops have a self-levelling mechanism and will re-form the bulb some way up the stem if planted too deep so I would not worry or disturb that one.
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It looks peculiar because the flower is emerging free from the spathe.
I looks like a small round egg is coming up :), that picture was from yesterday and I think now that it is quite warm here the flower may come up in the next few days.
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hi again, G.plicatus Green Shadow is a seedling from Green Dragon and I have several other seedlings all at early stages will pollinate both again. a few more flowering just now one which Cyril posted asking what it was my fault it is a Castle form which I put wrong label in it is Castle Eye Shadow a hybrid G. plicatus x G nivalis a superb stature with blue green leaf and the two eyes shade to the apical mark. cheers Ian the Christie kind
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where do you get the seed from Ashley?
Hi John,
Most recently I saw several of the species you mentioned on Vlastimil Pilous's list, here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11360.msg295706#msg295706). However they also appear on other lists from time to time.
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A friend of mine has asked me about one of his snowdrops, an elwesii double which is stable with outgrowths from the inners. He would like to know if this is a common feature, and if it is worth naming. Thanks in advance for your input.
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Lovely pictures of your garden Maggi.
I'm amazed you have so many snowdrops to show us ;D
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HI Anne, didn't a similar snowdrop sell for a small fortune on ebay recently?
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I'm sure he'd be delight to hear it, but I didn't see that one.
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Anne, there aren't many elwesii or elwesii-like doubles but personally that one does nothing for me. I would be a lot more impressed if the 'outgrowths' were symmetric. Nivalis doubles often have a few longer outer-like petals in the interior so it would not be surprising to see this in a nivalis flore pleno x elwesii hybrid.
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Lovely pictures of your garden Maggi.
I'm amazed you have so many snowdrops to show us ;D
Thanks for the kind comments from all about the garden Yes, Mike, it's a bit of a surprise to me too that there are so many!
Ian C - what a little sweetie 'Little Star' is - very neat shape.
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Hello Maggie will save a bulb for you of Little Star it is like you a Star, cheers Ian the Christie kind ( we also have Big Star)
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Oh, thank you, Ian - I would be most grateful for that. :-* :-*
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Hi Ian,very nice selections and in i do agree about Maggie to leave the word little away ;D
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Hi Ian,very nice selections and in i do agree about Maggie to leave the word little away ;D
Cheeky boy! ;D
( and I am only 160cms high!)
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Magi are we slowly infecting you with our contagious enthusiasm for the little white blobs? ;D
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I can't find that snowdrop now Anne as I didn't put it on my watchlist.
Maybe another forum member watchlisted it.
It definitely had the same sticky out bits in the centre of the flower.
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Galanthus lagodechianus today. These bulbs came originally from Savisaar in Estonia.
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Ian C., Little Star is lovely
Anne, I would chip those bulbs
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Hello all gret posts here are a few more in the garden today from a very shaded area, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Ian, lovely snowdrops again. They look very well, Little Star has a very nice neat marking !
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Hi Ashley thanks for that I have just downloaded the list,, I will contact him in the morning to see if he has any left.
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One of the 2 new officially new registrations at the Dutch KAVB on monday and a gold medal for 5 pots with the newest finds!
The "new"ones are G.elwesii Valentines Gift and G. elwesii Smokey Mountain.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=614495615294109&set=p.614495615294109&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=614495615294109&set=p.614495615294109&type=1&theater)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=722020597829164&set=a.721999771164580.1073741851.490692184295341&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=722020597829164&set=a.721999771164580.1073741851.490692184295341&type=1&theater)
edit by maggi to add direct links
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I like 'Valentine's Gift'! Very aptly named.
Maggi, your garden is beautiful - a very harmonious spring planting.
After 10 days of glorious sunshine and warm days my snowdrops are almost done. Only G. plicatus 'John Long' is still going strong...
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Maggi
Many thanks for adding the direct links.
I am not on Facebook and have no intention of joining.
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We have now had three warm sunny days in a row - remarkable in itself!
Yesterday I noticed that some flowers are past - but they are the ones which have been out for many weeks already. Even if we reach the 16 degrees C that we are told we might have today, there will still be good flowers for some time yet - isn't it good that there are some "plus" points to Scottish weather? ::)
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Maggi
Many thanks for adding the direct links.
I am not on Facebook and have no intention of joining.
Neither am I , Art, but I found that with a little tweaking to the link Gerard first gave that access was possible.
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The "new"ones are G.elwesii Valentines Gift and G. elwesii Smokey Mountain.
Lovely snowdrops
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The "new"ones are G.elwesii Valentines Gift ...
Looks like you followed my suggestion of linking the one with the heart-shaped mark to Valentines Day. Or was that another different one with a heat-shaped mark?
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We have now had three warm sunny days in a row - remarkable in itself!
Yesterday I noticed that some flowers are past - but they are the ones which have been out for many weeks already. Even if we reach the 16 degrees C that we are told we might have today, there will still be good flowers for some time yet - isn't it good that there are some "plus" points to Scottish weather? ::)
Conversely, after days of fine warm weather the last couple of days here have been grey and cold with a biting north-east wind. Brightening up now though.
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Hi to all,
I didn't really know where to place that question. Is there a two inner and two outer petals Galanthis nivalis cultivar? I have found two such plants growing together in mu garden, which I replanted now. I am wondering if that is an occasional mutation, or could it be permanent. I hope to attach a photo later.
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Is there a two inner and two outer petals Galanthis nivalis cultivar?
I was very pleased to find one like that but it only happened for the one year then became perfectly normal thereafter. AFAIK there is no cultivar that does this consistently.
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Good to see you back Chris, it's been a very long time since we've heard from you.
johnw
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I am on the lookout for the following Greatorex cultivars: 'Titania', 'Jenny Wren', 'Poseidon', 'L.P. Long', and 'L.P. Short'. Also the later selections 'G71', 'G75' and 'G77'. I would like to buy a bulb of each; if you can help please send me a PM. Thanks.
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Looks like you followed my suggestion of linking the one with the heart-shaped mark to Valentines Day. Or was that another different one with a heat-shaped mark?
Maybe you did read my mind ;D
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Thank you Alan for your reply. You might be right regarding the ones I have found too, but what a coincidence it would have to be for two plants to look the same, come most probably, from one bulb and than reverse next year to normal. :) Of course that IS possible, as it was possible for one man to be stoke by a lightning for 7 times in his life... But for now I allow my imagination to go wild with that plant. Below I am attaching a photo of it wile replanting.
John, because of the character of my studies, I was mostly away from home. I couldn't get anything rare and delicate, since when I came back, often it was dead. It wouldn't be all bad if I at least learned anything from that death, but when a plant just dies and you know nothing from that, it is frustrating. Now I am at home. I probably still won't have much to talk about, but I hope to be at least able to share some seeds for now and in some years, plants as well.
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Do i see 3 inners on the bottom one Chris?
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No, there are two inners and two outers at both flowers. I checked.
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In the transient one I found, the inners were at 90 degrees to the outers. Yours seem more aligned, Chris.
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If I understand it right, if it will repeat that feature next year, that will mean it is stable, right?
That finding in my garden and talk with my friend, motivated me to stop by and search through a wild park where I saw quite some snowdrops. I don't really know where it is, because I was driving there for the first time, when I saw that place. Hard to tell was it was in fact, it was so wild looking. I didn't have much time to spent there, only about 3 hours, before it got too dark to see anything. Still I managed to find some interesting looking plants.
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Two more.
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Astonished (or am I really) to see Joe Sharman has just sold 5 'E A Bowles' for £666 - is this an omen for future sales :)
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£134 per bulb including postage so much for being cheaper buying in bulk!!! My west Wales sensibilities quails at the thought of it. Mind you should make a spectacular clump next year ( if you could see them behind the armed guards) Are they being bought by speculators or genuine enthusiasts with healthy trust funds? Admittedly it is the most spectacular plant in my collection and my little clump cost just over £100 all in...
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When I read what you write about those plants prices I make such face: :o (only my eyes are bigger and jaw hit the ground with impact), than I look at what I found myself and make that face: :D. I am aware that it is NOT the same plant, but it looks exactly the same. (Photo is on previous page). I understand why it is so much liked. In reality, it is just unreal. It looks like a totally different species. I wish there was a faster way to propagate this beauty than just wait and let the time do the trick.
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Chris:
Number 1 may be going over so may not look so different next year.
Nice poculiform snowdrops in pictures 2 & 4.
I sometimes see the green stripes of picture 3 but it mostly seems to be a one-off.
If a snowdrop does the same thing two years running then you cannot be sure it is completely stable but it is much more likely after the second year.
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Hi Ashley, Vlastimil Pilous has just got back to me he only has G. Lagodechianus & G. Transcaucasica left so, I've placed an order from him, so I can tick two more off my must have list. ;D
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'E.A.Bowles' is a dream, too expensive for me, but beautiful, and something to admire in pictures.
Ordinary G.nivalis 'Flore Pleno' is now in full flower here.
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That's a start anyway John, and you can try again next year.
Good luck with them.
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'E.A.Bowles' is a dream, too expensive for me, but beautiful, and something to admire in pictures.
Leena
I succumbed to the charm of this beautiful snowdrop at the Cottage Garden Snowdrop Day. Wol & Sue Staines were selling it for £60. This beat my previous most expensive drop 'Big Boy' that cost £40.
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Ordinary G.nivalis 'Flore Pleno' is now in full flower here.
And very lovely they are, too.
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When I read what you write about those plants prices I make such face: :o (only my eyes are bigger and jaw hit the ground with impact), than I look at what I found myself and make that face: :D. I am aware that it is NOT the same plant, but it looks exactly the same. (Photo is on previous page). I understand why it is so much liked. In reality, it is just unreal. It looks like a totally different species. I wish there was a faster way to propagate this beauty than just wait and let the time do the trick.
When I saw the pure white beauty in your picture 4667a, Chris, I thought that you were lucky to find such a plant - it is very similar in its full, rounded shape to' EA Bowles' as has been discussed - small world isn't it, really!
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Maggi, I will do all what I can to propagate it as fast as possible. I don't know if I will be able to name it, since it looks very similar to for example: 'Holo Glob' and 'Holo-Gramm'. If mine is the same, I can't name it. If somehow I will be able to name them, I will give you the right to choose its name, as well as I will send you that one and any other you will like.
Having something beautiful makes me only partially happy, sharing that with others, that makes me fully happy.
I am also preparing at least 10-20 Leucojum vernym clones/forms. But it is still a long way when I will be able to name and spread them all. For example, I have almost pure white one (only a trace of green on petals, which have different shape of petals too), a one that looks almost like closed Galanthus, others, that have half of the petals green, 8-th petalled ones (permanent, 3 plants in a clump already), ones, that don't form a closed cup (thin petals, permanent, already have a clump), cone shaped flowers, yellowish leafs (permanent), petals opened so much that they are in one line and quite a few other, more subtle forms. They just need to propagate, be grown in 3 gardens and than I will put them all in cultivation.
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Chris, your work with Leucojum types sound interesting too - Wim Boens is writing about the cultivars available now and I think some descriptions and photos of the ones you are developing would be a great addition to that work. You can contact Wim via the forum if you would be willing to contribute information to this article.
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Leena
I succumbed to the charm of this beautiful snowdrop at the Cottage Garden Snowdrop Day. Wol & Sue Staines were selling it for £60. This beat my previous most expensive drop 'Big Boy' that cost £40.
If they have it in their dormant bulb list, I will have to think about it (and leave something else for next year). :)
Last summer I bought some dormant bulbs from them and all of them are flowering now.
This is 'Diggory' from Glen Chantry, planted last August and the photo is from today, I think today was the first day when it really showed how different it is. :) I can imagine it will look great when there are more flowers.
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And very lovely they are, too.
Thank you Maggi, I think so, too. :) (But I don't have many other doubles so I don't have much where to compare)
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Is this 'Magnet', what do you think?
I ask because this is the first spring in Finland when the snow has melted so early that it is possible (for me) to see differences in the earlyness and lateness of the snowdrops. Usually they all start to flower at the same time in April when the snow melts away. Three of my friends have also 'Magnet' and all of their plants have came up later than mine and are also not yet flowering, while these my plants are just begun to flower this week, and I don't think this place where I have mine is warmer or better. I bought this snowdrop (three bulbs) from Nijssen three years ago, and it has been a good snowdrop.
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No, not 'Magnet', Leena. The mark is not right and the pedicel is not long enough or dangly enough. Here's a link to a good photo of 'Magnet' on the Judy's Snowdrops website, for comparison...
http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/Hybrids_Single/magnet/magnet.htm (http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/Hybrids_Single/magnet/magnet.htm)
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Thank you Martin! :) I'm so glad I asked.
Any guesses what it could be? I know there must be a lot of snowdrops like this, but since it was bought I would think it was a cultivar.
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Thank you Martin! :) I'm so glad I asked.
Any guesses what it could be? I know there must be a lot of snowdrops like this, but since it was bought I would think it was a cultivar.
Yes, there are a lot that look like that (a nivalis x plicatus cross) and it really could be any of them.
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No, not 'Magnet', Leena. The mark is not right and the pedicel is not long enough or dangly enough.
It doesnt look like Magnet to me either, but mine start with short normal pedicels which elongate as the flowers age.
Chris
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Nearly at the end of the season here, Rushmere Green always one of the last to flower
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Melvyn, great picture of a lovely snowdrop. Good to see the flower, as I did receive a bulb from it last week. Hope it will do well
for me :D
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Is this Crimean G. plicatus plant virused, I guess? :-X :-X
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Looks like fasiation, can be a number of causes .
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Hi Ashley yes I will definitely order from him next year, thanks again for your help.
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No, there are two inners and two outers at both flowers. I checked.
Dear Chris,
there is a named cultivare, similar to your found: It is G. nivalis `Duet` , named by Bavcon, the custos of the BG in Slowenia. There occur a lot of mutations in this area, mosty are not pretty .
Congratulations on your very pretty and enviable finds !
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Thanks Martin and Chris, I'll just call it falsemagnet. :)
I'll have to now buy another and the right 'Magnet'.
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I'll just call it falsemagnet. :)
I think 'Notmagnet' might be better ;D. 'Falsemagnet' should be reserved for a snowdrop that actually looks like 'Magnet' but isn't. I have a horrible suspicion that if you bought an example of 'Magnet' from every snowdrop dealer you might actually end up with a range of different snowdrops - but hopefully most of them would resemble each other.
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I suppose the question is - how much does the name really matter? Lots of 'Magnet' look-a-likes have been grown and eventually given names according to the various places they have come from but for many gardeners they would all just be rather nice snowdrops with longish pedicels! Only the collector begins to measure pedicels and green marks (you might realise I'm playing devil's advocate here because I also measure and compare them!). Alan's description of registering a snowdrop tends to lead to more distinction in names but I can't see many galanthophiles going through this process - we certainly have one or two 'Copton' Magnets as well as 'Copton' Trym's, but a few others that really are more distinct (which is amazing when you consider there are well over 1000 cultivars of galanthus - the discrimination of the gardener is remarkable).
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I see the main purpose of the name is to allow people to keep track of a snowdrop (or any other cultivar), its history and provenance. I've distributed 'Cressida' to a very few galanthophiles but found out recently it was being passed on. Hopefully there are now so many named snowdrop cultivars that collectors will stop aspiring to be completists and start thinking about the merits of the various cultivars, allowing the inferior ones to fade away. If that ultimately happens to 'Cressida' then so be it; some people like it but others certainly do not. After a long period of time the possibility of mistakes, seedlings and even fraud can mean that the identity of a cultivar can become confused and various different snowdrops may end up being distributed under the same name. Until we have cheap genetic fingerprinting of plants I see no remedy for this.
With regard to registration, the point for me is to get the name into print and thereby comply with the ICNCP rules. One hopes that any good registrar would also throw out plants that are not worthy or not distinct.
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I think 'Notmagnet' might be better ;D. 'Falsemagnet' should be reserved for a snowdrop that actually looks like 'Magnet' but isn't. I have a horrible suspicion that if you bought an example of 'Magnet' from every snowdrop dealer you might actually end up with a range of different snowdrops - but hopefully most of them would resemble each other.
'Falsemagnet' it is. :)
The reason why I would like to have the real 'Magnet' is that if it is later, then it is also better to my conditions (at least in most of the winters when there is more snow and it melts later, this Falsemagnet is fine this year)
I suppose the question is - how much does the name really matter?
I would like to have lots of snowdrops bringing spring to my garden, good growers suitable to my conditions and my garden, but how do you know what to buy if you don't know the names, what they are supposed to be like and if the bulbs you buy are not true to that name. I do have G.nivalis, which likes it here, but the collector in me would like more and different kinds of snowdrops, bigger, late flowering (so that they can cope with the snow), with big flowers (or with green flowers or something else which makes them interesting) . I don't want hundreds of different ones (the famous last words), just the ones which would do best for me, but I don't know which they are before I have them to try here. On the other hand I enjoy just lots of flowers (whatever their names are) and spring garden after winter, but on the other hand I like to know what my plants are. I like to study them and know more about them, I'm silly that way. 8)
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The very last ones here ;
The plicatus m basket style is finally open!
And a nice elwesii selection doing the same thing like last year.
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I had one unnamed G.elwesii last year which looked the same as the snowdrop in the last picture, I'll have to try to observe if it is like that this year. It hasn't opened it's flowers properly yet, and last night and this morning we got winter back and snow. :( The snow is probably good for the plants, it protects them from the below freezing temperatures the weather forecast has promised here for the next week.
The snowdrops look like this today, but I hope and believe they continue to flower when the cold spell is over. :)
G.nivalis
G.nivalis 'Flore Pleno'
G.elwesii
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Some G. nivalis from 4 weeks ago
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The middle one shows promise Paul!
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The middle one shows promise Paul!
Thanks Brian. Here are a few more. 12 is fun
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I like that two as well - it's the virescens! 12 is fun but not my cup of tea, halfway to being a spikey!
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Snowdrops still in fine display in the Slovenian Alps last week. Here is a nice clump with long ovaries and a broad inner perianth mark, And the wood ants seem to like them as well!
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Good trip then, Paul?
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I like all your Caprea series, Paul. But I'm curious about the name; there is a Salix caprea but that's the uses of that name I know.
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In this part of the world, we enjoyed the most frost-free winter for at least 130 years. There were only 5 nights with -1-2°C. Despite this fact, many snowdrops didn´t flower early, some decidedly later than in the colder winter the year before. Does anybody know about a possible necessity of low temperatures to induce flowering?
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In this part of the world, we enjoyed the most frost-free winter for at least 130 years.
Which part of the world you meant exactly? I can't see where you come from.
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I like all your Caprea series, Paul. But I'm curious about the name; there is a Salix caprea but that's the uses of that name I know.
Actually the name came about as mistake and it stuck. It is to ring fence a range of pure G. nivalis I hope to be able to start to offer over the next
couple of years. Of course caprea is goat-like creature
Good trip then, Paul?
Excellent trip thanks. Hellebores, hepaticas and crocuses are everywhere and glorious weather. Ljubljana is a beautiful little city.
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I've just been reading Līga Popova and Jānis Rukšāns 2014 Bulb list and they mention Galanthus platyphyllus as one of the few snowdrops that grows in and prefers open meadows. Does anyone grow this and have experience of it in the garden? Although we grow many named varieties I would very much like to study the species in the garden too, and as with hellebores it is good to keep the species in cultivation as the precursors of all the much greater variation that has arisen from them.
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Actually the name came about as mistake and it stuck. It is to ring fence a range of pure G. nivalis I hope to be able to start to offer over the next
couple of years. Of course caprea is goat-like creature Excellent trip thanks. Hellebores, hepaticas and crocuses are everywhere and glorious weather. Ljubljana is a beautiful little city.
Jolly good ;)
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I've just been reading Līga Popova and Jānis Rukšāns 2014 Bulb list and they mention Galanthus platyphyllus as one of the few snowdrops that grows in and prefers open meadows.
Frankly, I think there may be a lot of myths around some of the lesser-known/grown snowdrop species. I guess it is natural to assume that the locale where you find a plant represents the optimum growing location but logically that isn't necessarily going to be true. I think one just has to experiment. Also, who knows to what extent we have accidentally bred forms of the more common snowdrop species that are well-suited to our climate just by importing them in large neumbers, growing them and allowing them to set seed for a hundred years or more.
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Yes - I am sure you are right Alan. My experience of gardening is that I continually make mistakes and experiment, which is either a degree of pigheadedness or something I learn from! Having said this the great thing about listening to Jānis speaking (and writing) about his experiences of plants in Nature is that you do slowly gain a greater sensitivity to the natural ecology of plants which must translate to the garden. The bigger point is that he has experience of very many plants from similar and distinct ecological habitats and of course this does lead to grouping plants into different categories depending on their lifestyles rather than nomenclature. I find that the subtleties of gardening seem to impress on me more and more now I actually know a little more about what I am doing! Lots of gardeners try these rare species but quite often all we see of them is at Shows with very little impression of how you might go about growing them in garden conditions. It's quite valuable to read of individual gardener's experiences in addition to seeing exciting plants pictured on the Forum for example. The big difference between gardener and nurseryman is that the latter wants to increase plants as effectively as possible to satisfy the demands of the former; but these two professions really merge together! (I always remember Elizabeth Strangman at Washfield being very loath to sell plants to customers unless she thought them capable of growing them but that does tend to keep more educated gardening at an arm's length from newcomers!).
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Here one of the last to open. G platyphyllus it grows but is very slow to increase here. I have the same experience with krasnovii shown earlier in the thread. Perhaps it needs more cold and moisture at flowering time
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Which part of the world you meant exactly? I can't see where you come from.
I´m living in the very west of Germany, near the Dutch border. The early forms of Galanthus elwesii var. monostictus flowered at the usual time, whereas Kyre Park and other early selections of G.e. var. elwesii started flowering later than the years before. So did Three Ships and, for instance, John Long. The latter started 2013 in early January and lasted for 8 weeks, this season only 3 weeks after beginning in mid February.
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Ian - thanks for the picture of G. platyphyllus. The climate in Latvia sounds as though it must be much more suited to it! Also Fritillaria alburyana (just one example) is 'not very difficult in the garden here' (Popova and Ruckšāns 2014 catalogue!). G. platyphyllus is added to my wants list along with a regular supply of ice cubes for spring!
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Ian - thanks for the picture of G. platyphyllus. The climate in Latvia sounds as though it must be much more suited to it! Also Fritillaria alburyana (just one example) is 'not very difficult in the garden here' (Popova and Ruckšāns 2014 catalogue!). G. platyphyllus is added to my wants list along with a regular supply of ice cubes for spring!
Tim I have had the plant for about 4 years now and am still awaiting the development of an offset. This form was reputed to come from the Georgian Military Highway, a famous site for the plant. The species is said to be found at the highest altitude of any snowdrop up to 2800 metres. I moved this one last year along with krasnovii to a spot which has more moisture and should be marginally colder. We will see
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My G. platyphyllus is now showing white. I was advised to grow it in an open sunny, swampy position. It's in a pot and has been regularly drenched since snowmelt in East Anglia (ha ha). Perhaps I didn't start quite early enough?
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My G. platyphyllus is now showing white. I was advised to grow it in an open sunny, swampy position. It's in a pot and has been regularly drenched since snowmelt in East Anglia (ha ha). Perhaps I didn't start quite early enough?
Mine's in bud, plunged in sand, shaded by its neighbours. Oooops..
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Mine's in bud, plunged in sand, shaded by its neighbours.
But if it's in bud it must be relatively happy so that regime seems to be working.
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Mine's in bud, plunged in sand, shaded by its neighbours. Oooops..
Watch out for slugs Anne - they love em
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I´m living in the very west of Germany, near the Dutch border. The early forms of Galanthus elwesii var. monostictus flowered at the usual time, whereas Kyre Park and other early selections of G.e. var. elwesii started flowering later than the years before. So did Three Ships and, for instance, John Long. The latter started 2013 in early January and lasted for 8 weeks, this season only 3 weeks after beginning in mid February.
Snowdrops remain in flower for two to three weeks in warmer weather but remain 'suspended' in colder weather. In a normal season here in the UK there will be a week or more of cold weather whilst the snowdrops are in flower so the flowering time is prolonged.
The time at which different snowdrop cultivars start flowering can vary a lot from year to year. It presumably depends on the weather but I don't think anyone knows how. As you have observed, not all cultivars move in sync. so in any given year some might be earlier than their average and others later.
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Thank You, Alan, for Your reply! As the winters in Britain and Ireland are generally milder than in our area, a possible connection of frost periods and snowdrop clones beginning to flower might have been more obvious.
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Galanthus platyphyllus
Last to flower with me too. I used to have it close to a rhododendron but now it is growing near a Viburnum. It would have been quite dry and shaded in the summer by three large Betula utilis but I had them cut down last year so conditions will be different this year. I think I had 4 pairs of bulbs last year but only 2 pairs flowering this year. The other two seem to be single bulbs this year. It is very slow to increase. I started with one bulb in 1979 and have given away one or two bulbs on three or four occasions so not a big increase. It does set seed sometimes but usually gets eaten by slugs or on one occasion trampled by a deer sharpening his horns on the Viburnum.
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I was checking last year's flowering time and discovered it coming through snow on March 19th :o. It usually flowers around the middle of March regardless of weather, not like the other snowdrops which can vary with the weather.
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Galanthus plicatus 'Warham Group' is the latest of my other snowdrops to flower. The last few days have been quite warm so they have not lasted long. The flowers are small, but it is worth growing for the leaves. It increases fast from division and seed. A seedling appeared with bigger flowers and broader leaves.
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It is good to know about these late snowdrops. :)
Here my snowdrops are still partly under the snow, but from Friday on, it will be warmer again and the snow should melt away and snowdrops continue to flower.
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Suddenly lots of mentions of Galanthus platyphyllus! ... mine 'died' but just now while looking out of the window a little bit of white caught my eye blowing in the wind. How exciting to have it back.
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How lovely Mark! A nice treat upon return home I'd say.
Mine is still not fully emerged and seems to be one of the very very late ones. Seedlings have yet to emerge so fingers crossed.
johnw
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'Lady Beatrix Stanly' seems to be a good doer for me. I planted a small bulb spring 2011, next spring 2012 only two small leaves came up, but then spring 2013 there was one flower and now there are four flowers. :)
Picture taken yesterday when the temperature was around zero Celsius. last night it was almost -11C, but from tomorrow on it will be warmer and the snow will melt away :).
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Suddenly lots of mentions of Galanthus platyphyllus! ... mine 'died' but just now while looking out of the window a little bit of white caught my eye blowing in the wind. How exciting to have it back.
Lovely to have it back indeed, what position/conditions are you growing yours in Mark?
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Brian, they're in a raised trough with a free draining mix and no extra water during hot weather in the summer
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Brian, they're in a raised trough with a free draining mix and no extra water during hot weather in the summer
Cheers Mark, I think we are on a steep learning curve trying to satisfy their requirements :-\
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A very nice snowdrop noticed and photographed at the Shaftesbury Snowdrop Festival, Galanthus plicatus ssp byzantinus 'Joe Sharman'
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Oh nice photo ;)
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Such a lot of new greens, Melvyn.
Days before I saw the fine CAPREAN series of uvularia and now your pic of the new Gpb JOE SHARMAN.
Such a lot new plants of desire.
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Galanthus plicatus ssp byzantinus 'Joe Sharman'
Do we know who named this for Joe Sharman? It's an excellent snowdrop but as Joe rose to prominence with 'Wendy's Gold', perhaps a yellow one would have been more appropriate - not that those are easy to find. In fact I guess Joe himself has the best unnamed one with his yellow Trym, still to see the light of commercial availability.
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Melyvn knows more than I do . I just took the picture and wasn't allowed any more info !
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A very nice snowdrop noticed and photographed at the Shaftesbury Snowdrop Festival, Galanthus plicatus ssp byzantinus 'Joe Sharman'
Byzantinus???
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One of the last and a favourite Fieldgate Superb
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... Fieldgate Superb
Not Fieldgate Extra-Forte?
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Byzantinus???
Looks like true G plicatus from the Crimea area and not ssp byzantines. I have my doubts too Steve, maybe its to cover the source :o
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Hi I recently received some galanthus seeds, what is the best way to sow these and when. Thanks john
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John, at this time of year I'd suggest rehydrating them first by soaking overnight then sow about 5-7 cm deep in a pot and leave outdoors somewhere fairly cool & shady but open to the weather.
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Just thought I would share this G. nivalis.
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Your 'Caprea Series' snowdrops are very nice, Paul, but you are tantalising us a little. I presume these are all snowdrops you hope to bulk-up and eventually make commercially available? Did you find/breed them all yourself?
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Thanks for the advice Ashley.
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Your 'Caprea Series' snowdrops are very nice, Paul, but you are tantalising us a little. I presume these are all snowdrops you hope to bulk-up and eventually make commercially available? Did you find/breed them all yourself?
The 'Caprea Series' are a selection of Croatian G. nivalis. I hope to have some of these available over the next few years. The really nice ones we will be twin-scaling this year. I hope that sheds some light. I will be trialling them next season to see if they are stable forms. All very exciting.
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Ordinary 'Viridapice' seems to be a good one for me, it has increased from a small single bulb in two years to this. It is also quite tall. :)
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'Viridipice' is only classed as 'ordinary' because it has been around for a very long time. Scharlockii and it's derivatives are surely extraordinary snowdrops in absolute terms.
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Scharlockii and it's derivatives are surely extraordinary snowdrops in absolute terms.
Yes, they stand out because they are different and I like them. It is different to see a snowdrop in the picture, only when I have it in my own garden and can see it alive, I know how much I like it. Even my husband noticed it was a different one (besides yellows, those he noticed too) ;D
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Leena, VIRIDAPICE and his friends are fine galanthus. I love them also. But the best, these fine plant are flowering now in your garden!!!
A last pic of the Spring season in my garden. The flowering time is over.
MÄRZENS MAIGRÜN from this morning.
Meet you later......in an autumn thread
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Leena, VIRIDAPICE and his friends are fine galanthus. I love them also. But the best, these fine plant are flowering now in your garden!!!
A last pic of the Spring season in my garden. The flowering time is over.
MÄRZENS MAIGRÜN from this morning.
Very lovely Märzens Maigrun. :)
Over here the snowdrops are now about at their best, and there are some even still in bud. This has been so early spring here, usually the best time is the second half of April.
'Mrs MacNamara' started to flower the first (it came through the snow in bud in February) and it is still doing fine, as is 'Atkinsii'.
The days are +5-10°C and the nights are couple of degrees below zero, so I think the snowdrops are still going to flower for some time.
Today I saw Common Brimstone butterfly for the first time this spring, so maybe the bees are not far behind to come and pollinate snowdrop flowers. :)
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Not so many in flower here this morning.
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Lord I hope that is not on the way over here John :-X
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I thought galanthophiles enjoyed looking out at carpets of white ? :o ;D
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Now that's what I call snow! :o
When would you expect it to start warming up John?
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Brian - I'd brace yourselves for some wind in the next few days. Grand Etang, NS saw 172k/h last night and Norris Pt., Nfld a record 201k/hr.
The Weather Channel sent two out to witness the infamous les suetes winds of Grand Etang:
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/videos/gallery/all/video_gallery/warning-these-are-hurricane-winds/sharevideo/3395652199001 (http://www.theweathernetwork.com/videos/gallery/all/video_gallery/warning-these-are-hurricane-winds/sharevideo/3395652199001)
They take a bad tumble here and I heard they lost things in the Gulf.
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/videos/gallery/all/video_gallery/mustsee-tv-winds-knock-reporters-off-air/sharevideo/3395962779001 (http://www.theweathernetwork.com/videos/gallery/all/video_gallery/mustsee-tv-winds-knock-reporters-off-air/sharevideo/3395962779001)
Mike - +7c tomorrow, +10c Saturday. You can see how quickly the sidewalk cleared with that 44 degree latitude sun blazing down, trouble is it can also fry broadleaf evergreen when the ground is frozen as well. Another snow event is possible in a few days but the coast here may get rain. We are not amused.
The car this morning.
johnw
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The closest to you I've visited John is Mt Washington in New Hampshire for the fall.
It was spectacular.
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I thought galanthophiles enjoyed looking out at carpets of white ? :o ;D
;D :-* ;D
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The closest to you I've visited John is Mt Washington in New Hampshire for the fall. It was spectacular.
Mike - That's a true arctic climate there. I've heard the highest winds on earth have been recorded up there but ooh the flora.
johnw - +1c
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Oh John, I´m so happy snowtime is over here. I only love snow in January.