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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: YT on February 18, 2014, 02:27:29 PM
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Here, the first muscari flower has opened today.
Muscari azureum, ex R.& R.Wallis 93-28.
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I was surprised to see the muscari so advanced in photos from Ragley Hall in England this weekend :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11423.msg295040#msg295040 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11423.msg295040#msg295040) ( image 7036)
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Quote from: ikizzeki on February 15, 2014, 06:37:04 PM
I am not good at gardening and computing but eager to learn more. Early in the morning I have gone to garden which is 25 km away from Antalya city centre and almost in the middle of woodland, explored a new muscari in it. Now I am trying to identify it..
The mystery plant :
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The mystery one looks like a Bellevalia or Hyacinthella to me. Nice color.
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It is Hyacinthella heldreichii
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Thanks!
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In flower now
Muscari from Turkey
Muscari from Turkey
Bellevalia rixii
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Nice dark coloured muscaris, Art ;)
Here are 2 muscaris from JJA Seeds, today :)
JJA 688.205 Muscari azureum
Turkey, Kahramanmaras, S of Goksun. 1240m. Cultivated field. Ex R.& R.Wallis 93-28
JJA 689.270 Muscari discolor, from the Seed List September, 2008
689.270 : Muscari discolor (Subgen. Botryanthus) Turkey, Mardin, N of Mardin. 1100m. Among talus on steep limestone slopes. (This is the 'true' plant. Haussknecht's type-collection was from Mardin & this taxon appears to be restricted to the hills in southern Urfa & Mardin provinces, along the north edge of the Syrian Desert running towards the Iraqi border. Extremely early flowering (February with us) & about 10cm. tall with racemes of bicolored, open-mouthed bells, the blackish blue of the base contrasting with the white of the apex, which occupies almost half the length of each flower.)
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That discolor has amazing colours Tatsuo ! Dark as the night and as always perfectly grown .
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That discolor has amazing colours Tatsuo ! Dark as the night and as always perfectly grown .
Thank you, Kris :) But I think its height is more or less taller than the last season. From the begining to mid of February, total hours of sunlight here is less than 60% of usual. It drizzle now, as well :(
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Gorgeous muscari Tatsuo ! :o :o
I always love the sight of Muscari azureum pushing through the soil !
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I was surprised to see the muscari so advanced in photos from Ragley Hall in England this weekend :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11423.msg295040#msg295040 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11423.msg295040#msg295040) ( image 7036)
Maggi, there are some muscari clones, which flowers in the winter/early spring: 'Christmas Pearl' and 'Winter Amethyst' not to mention 'Autumn Glory' which flowers any time between September and March.
Here is 'Christmas Pearl', which has flowered in the open garden since Christmas.
Poul
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Thanks Poul, 'Christmas Pearl' is pretty with that pale blue.
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Muscari chalusicum
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2877/12885505454_b721bf717e_o.jpg)
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Muscari botryoides
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Here is Bellevalia mauritanica, syn B. fallax from Tunisia
recived from a good friend.
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Oron, That is a wild beauty 8)
JJA 688.705 Muscari coeleste
Turkey, Niğde, Kamirkazik Dag, 1700-1750m. Ex. KPPZ 90-318.
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An unknown Muscari
Muscari 'Pink Sunrise'
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that unknown one is particularly striking Arthur
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Bellevalia dubia in bloom! :)
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That's a nice bellevalia, Naoto :)
Heres is Hyacinthella dalmatica 'Grandiflora'. The florets opened before their spikes pushing out the soil :(
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That's a nice bellevalia, Naoto :)
:) !
And your Hyacinthella is looking good, too! :)
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Muscari aucheri from Bolu.
The hyacinthella is delightful
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An unknown Muscari
Art, with such an open mouth i would say M. anatolicum in a very nice color form.
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Tony, real beauties, wish i could grow this species...
Here are more species in flower today:
Leopoldia maritima from Tunisia
Leopoldia bicolor from coastal Israel
Muscari spreizenhoferi, endemic to Crete
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Art, with such an open mouth i would say M. anatolicum in a very nice color form.
Thanks Oron - thought I had lost it - only the label :)
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Jon B has already posted a pic of this one - Hyacinthoides lingulata ssp ciliolata ; this is ours - also from Otto!
cheers
fermi
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Muscari macrocarpum in the garden now.
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Ralph, nice to see. I have never succeded with that species in my garden.
Poul
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Some Muscari flowering today.
1. Muscari latifolium
2. Muscari latifolium in front of M. azureum Alba
3. M. latifolium and azureum Alba
4. M. azureum, azureum Alba and latifloium
5. M. armeneicum Christmas Pearl
Poul
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Muscari flowering today
1 + 2. Muscari adilii
3. Muscari aucheri Autumn Glory (spring flower, pic from yesterday)
4. Muscari aucheri Autumn Glory (autumn flower, pic from 21. October)
5. Muscari aucheri Autumn Glory seed pod from autumn flower
It is a bit strange that you at the same time can have flowers and almost ripe seed pod on the the same Muscari plant (but normal for Autumn Glory)
Poul
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Muscari latifolium in front of M. azureum Alba
- and how very pretty the plump flowers of the M. azureum Alba are - always pretty to see flowers in profusion, of course.
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Please could someone id the Muscari on the right of the picture. I have always assumed the one on the left was M. armeniacum as it came from an old garden in which it was a pest. The other came from a well-known bulb specialist as part of an order for latifolium! It took me some years to separate them out. He was unapologetic and really quite huffy when I suggested his staff might have muddled my order. I thought they might be azureum as he listed those too but looking at the pictures posted here the foliage is wrong - early and lax.
Thanks
Erle
Anglesey
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Muscari macrocarpum
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- and how very pretty the plump flowers of the M. azureum Alba are - always pretty to see flowers in profusion, of course.
I find them pretty too, and unlike many other Muscari they have few and short leaves when they flower. They are easy to grow and come true from seed. The only disadvantage is that they set lots of seeds (but good for the seed exchange), so if you don't deadhead them you will have them all over the garden. But they are easy to weed out as the bulbs grows close to the surface.
If someone is interested, I have lots of spare bulbs and later seeds.
Poul
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Menai
here is my Muscari latifolium collected in SW Turkey. it is now a weed in my frames
also Muscari sp coll Amasya to Zile in Turkey
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Muscari armeniacum 'Valerie Finnis'
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An unknown Muscari
lovely colour combination
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If only all Muscari were as prolific as the weedy one. I was given some and assured it wasn't the terrible weed
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Muscari macrocarpum from Kath Dryden
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lovely plants all - here are a few - actually my entire collection
Muscari muscarimi
Muscari macrocarpum Golden Fragrance
Muscari macrocarpum from Norman Stevens
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Hi there! :)
Jenny Robinson (aka Baby's Breath) and Gul Delight are in bloom in my garden! :)
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Flowering in the garden now (autumn) - Muscari parviflorum.
Sorry for the pathetic pic, but it's a wispy thing!
cheers
fermi
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A better look at the flower-head of Muscari parviflorum,
cheers
fermi
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Rimmer ( de Vries) grows a lot of bulbs ( sensible chap!) - see some of his "little blue bulbs" here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32952654@N06/sets/72157644133272573/)
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Time for the"spring" muscari in our garden!
Two little pots of seedling Muscari inconstrictum, the first grown from AGS Seedex 2009, second flowering and the other is from Kurt Vickery also 2009, first flowering.
You can really get a whiff of violets from the first one! (No, not from the pic - Fred hasn't managed the "sniff" button yet!)
cheers
fermi
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Very nice Fermi. It's one of my favourite muscari but I never realised it was scented.
Only six or so months to wait ;D
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All is very early this year. Scilla autumnalis alba, Scilla numidica and Scilla scilloides born since august 5th
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All is very early this year. Scilla autumnalis alba, Scilla numidica and Scilla scilloides born since august 5th
So soon?! :o Where is the year going?
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Still (almost) spring down here, Maggi! ;D
Here's one of the seedlings raised from AGS Seedex from Muscari 'Gul (Delight)'
cheers
fermi
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Still (almost) spring down here, Maggi! ;D
Here's one of the seedlings raised from AGS Seedex from Muscari 'Gul (Delight)'
cheers
fermi
Delighted to see this tiny little beauty Fermi.
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Dom do we live in the same country? :o so soon flowering, mine are just rooting!
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yes Yann ! Complicated this year for repotting with a lot of Young root already seen.
All mine grow outdoor in frame or rock garden
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Some seedlings grown from seed received as Muscari commutatum - but one has white "teeth" while the other doesn't.
Is this an acceptable variation or have I got two types of muscari here?
cheers
fermi
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One of my favourites, Muscari muscarima, is just coming into bloom again; still a singleton after a few years :(
cheers
fermi
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Delighted to see this tiny little beauty Fermi.
Hi Kris,
it's a sweet thing - do you grow it? I believe it originates from Rannweig Wallis. I got the seeds from the AGS Seedex and I think it comes fairly true from seed. This year I bought Muscari 'Pink Surprise' which I'm yet to flower.
Here's another pot of seedlings "ex 'Gul (Delight)',
cheers
fermi
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Fermi - I've not had an offset in 17 years.
johnw
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One of my favourites, Muscari muscarima, is just coming into bloom again; still a singleton after a few years :(
cheers
fermi
Does it set seed if self-pollinated? If not, are you brave enough to chip it?? :-\
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... are you brave enough to chip it?? :-\
buk buk buk buk - no one here but us chickens! ;D
I'm waiting to see if some seedlings I have are "true",
cheers
fermi
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Barnardia scilloides blooming Aug 18 in SE Michigan,
This is the autumn scilla that sends up 0.8cm wide leaves before the flower stems emerge.
this photos show about 6-8 different seed ex lots. peak day was very windy hence out of focus photo. .
this is about 1 month earlier than in 2013
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Grew this from SRGC Seedex 2010 as Bellevalia ciliata, first flowers open this morning,
cheers
fermi
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Looks like it has slightly hairy leaf margins - but isn't colour meant to be more lilac on opening , turning greenish later?
I'm not sure how much variation there is in these plants. :-\
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Interesting to see Fermi. My plants from this seed may still be a year off flowering.
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Thanks for your comments, Maggi and Ashley,
I 'll see what it flowers like next year - maybe this year it's still immature.
Here are some of the seedlings we raised from the AGS Seedex a few years ago "ex Muscari 'Valerie Finnis'
The blue pellets were necessary as the slugs were chewing the leaves off at ground level as they emerged!
cheers
fermi
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Muscari parviflorum, the tiny autumn flowering muscari.
Poul
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This was grown from NARGS Seedex 2007 as Bellevalia pycnantha which I believe has been renamed B. paradoxa,
cheers
fermi
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Yes B. pycnantha was reduced to a synonym of B. paradoxa about 10 years ago but they are maintained separately as Muscari paradoxum & M. pycnanthum in the International Plant Names Index ;)
In his book 'Buried Treasures' (p. 339) Jānis says that B. paradoxa occurs at higher altitudes and in drier places than B. pycnantha. Morphologically he distinguishes B. pycnantha as having lighter perianth lobes and leaves of different shape to B. paradoxa. Others claim that there are no significant morphological differences and the two were lumped based on karyotype analysis. However I don't know whether any DNA sequence comparison has been done.
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Hi Ashley,
it will be interesting to see if what I've received as B. paradoxa looks any different to what I've received as B. pycnantha! The first lot I ever grew labelled B. pycnantha turned out to be B. romana!
Here's later pics of the Bellevalia "possibly" ciliata
cheers
fermi
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I think I got this white muscari as M. armeniacum "Album" or M. argaei album.
It's not rare but not really common,
cheers
fermi
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Different forms of Muscari parviflorum.
I think form 2 is worth growing, but far less showy than the spring flowering ones.
Poul
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The other autumn flowering Muscari growing in an open frame:
Muscari aucheri 'Autumn Glory'
Poul
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Stunning form Poul that aucheri 'Autumn Glory'
Is this one hardy in open garden?
In which nursery is this one available? I'm very interested in.
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Thank you Ruben!
Yes, it is hardy in the open garden according to Ray Cobb, from whom I got my bulbs, but I have only very few so until they have multiplied I keep them in pots. To my knowledge they are not available in any nursery.
Poul
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Poul,
it would be interesting to see if you could cross your two autumn flowerers!
We still have a couple of spring flowerers in bloom:
Muscari leucostomum
Muscari (Leopoldia) weissii x 2 pics
cheers
fermi
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Poul,
it would be interesting to see if you could cross your two autumn flowerers!
cheers
fermi
Fermi, I have tried last year without any luck. This year parviflorum has finished flowering before Autumn Glory has started.
Poul
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Muscari parviflorum starts flowering.
I have decided to grow only this form as it has pink-red leaves and stems when appearing.
Also, it seems every bulb sets a flower stem which is uncommon for this species.
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Some autumn flowering Muscari
1. Muscari arm. 'Winter Amethyst'
2. Muscari arm. 'Christmas Pearl'
3 +4. The first flowers of Muscari aucheri 'Autumn Glory' have withered, but new ones are emerging.
Poul
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Here is Barnardia numidica [syn. Scilla numidica] ex. Ibizza. Flowering after 4 years from seeds.
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I spot a Muscari anatolicum plant has started to bloom today.
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A couple from today,
An early flowering form of Hyacinthus orientalis originally from the Galilee Region.
Hyacinthella nervosa originally from the Jordan Valley near the city of Jericho.
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Lovely
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An interesting query on a Scilla/Hyacinthella ID in this thread :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12719.msg339890#msg339890 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12719.msg339890#msg339890) which may tie in to discussions here.