Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: pehe on February 05, 2014, 11:52:02 AM
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It seems that the Sternbergia season has started.
My first Sternbergia candida has opened in my green house.
In the open garden against a south facing wall the white bud is still closed.
Poul
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It seems that the Sternbergia season has started.
Poul
Here it is nearly over Poul. Responding to the very mild weather, the first S. candida flower opened about 4 weeks ago.
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This yellow spring blooming Sternbergia is blooming in my cold frame now- mid March.
any idea on the name?
Thanks
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Rimmer - to the best of my knowledge the only yellow Spring flowering Sternbergia is S. fischeriana (quite rare I believe).
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Rimmer - to the best of my knowledge the only yellow Spring flowering Sternbergia is S. fischeriana (quite rare I believe).
.... another plant that has suffered re-naming - this time to Sternbergia vernalis
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.... another plant that has suffered re-naming - this time to Sternbergia vernalis
So it has. Apparently the abuse happened as long ago as 1989. Thanks Maggi.
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Rimmer, well done!
yes it is Sternbergia vernalis. It has never flowered for me. It needs good feeding and a hot summer bake to develop flowers.
Poul
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So it has. Apparently the abuse happened as long ago as 1989. Thanks Maggi.
I understand that it is a recognised effect of abuse that there can be an unconscious sublimation of the memory....... :-X
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Thanks all for the naming information.
it is nice to see something blooming here with strong colors.
winter does not want to go away , cold and more snow today
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Our first Sternbergia for the autumn - S.sicula - struggling up through a mat of artemesia and despite having been overgrown by Sempervivum tectorum!
cheers
fermi
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Fermi , this clump of Sternbergia sicula from Alan Edwards collected in the Selia Gorge , Crete enjoyed this summer's drought and 40 plus degrees !
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Otto,
that one doesn't do as well for us as the ones we raised from seed from Rannweig Wallis which came from Crete as well,
cheers
fermi
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Hi all. Finally am able to attach pics again. Here is my S. candida from earlier.
John B
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The latest to flower is another gift from Otto a few years ago - Sternbergia greuteriana
cheers
fermi
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I'm hoping my Sternbergia greuteriana flowers next year. Must look out for seed of other species as they should do well here.
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First flowers for Sternbergia candida this year - just waiting for some sunny weather to open ;D .
This little clump is growing through a dwarf bearded iris which protects it from summer rain and that infernal echidna which ploughs through the bulb beds in search of ants!
cheers
fermi
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The Sternbergia season has started.
In my garden Sternbergia colchiciflora is flowering and S. sicula, early form has leaves.
Poul
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The Sternbergia season has started.
In my garden Sternbergia colchiciflora is flowering and S. sicula, early form has leaves.
Poul
Happy to see them Poul. Never tried this one outside here. Maybe I have to give it a go .....
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Sternbergia colchiciflora a few days later
Sternbergia sicula Arcadian Sun - the first Sternbergia in my green house, without watering
Sternbergia sicula early form in the open garden
Poul
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Sternbergia colchiciflora a few days later
Sternbergia sicula Arcadian Sun - the first Sternbergia in my green house, without watering
Sternbergia sicula early form in the open garden
Poul
Wow , I am stil impressed with the results you have with S. colchiciflora Poul ! Here it is a very bad performer regarding flowering. In al those years it flowered maybe just two times. I keep it in pot and maybe it is better to give them a spot outside. Another thing , I keep it maybe to warm in summer...
Nevertheless I did buy a new clone from Janis and I hope it shows some flowers .....
'Arcadian Sun ' is in flower in my rockgarden to. Despite a wet summer outside it is flowering wel in the rockgarden. Try to post some pics in a few days . There is one lutea above the soil also.
Al the other Sternbergias are stil sleeping ....
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Sternbergia sicula 'Arcadian Sun ' is out in my rockgarden.
Despite an extremely wet july and a lot of rain in august it is flowering wel outside.
I never dig up the bulbs and it is in their for about 7 years. It grows slow and flowers better each year.
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here my first flower,
Sternbergia sicula from Crete
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here my first flower,
Sternbergia sicula from Crete
A very nice form Dirk .
S. sicula 'Arcadian Sun ' is stil flowering in my rockgarden. This is offcourse a more robust form as yours ...
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Kris, your Sternbergia looks great!
They look look exactly as if they were growing between some rocks in Greece 8)
Poul
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Kris, your Sternbergia looks great!
They look look exactly as if they were growing between some rocks in Greece 8)
Poul
Thanks Poul , this one grows and flowers wel outside.
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1. Sternbergia lutea
2. Sternbergia lutea 'Villa Carlotta'
3 + 4. Sternbergia sicula 'Dodona Gold'
5. Sternbergia colchiciflora
Poul
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And finally Sternbergia sicula
Poul
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Your flowers are making their own sunshine Poul! 8)
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Wonderful flowers, Poul
Here my best Sternbergia lutea, grown from 3 bulbs in 20 years.
On this place since around 10 years, without protection over this time.
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Dirk, Poul and Kris, these sternbergias are providing a fantastic display outside. Thanks for showing. I have been trying a few outside since last year but I suspect the summers here are not hot enough to provide good flowering.
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Dirk, Poul and Kris, these sternbergias are providing a fantastic display outside. Thanks for showing. I have been trying a few outside since last year but I suspect the summers here are not hot enough to provide good flowering.
Thanks Cyril . I suppose that Sternbergia sicula 'Arcadian Sun ' is the best choice to try outside. Here it flowers wel outside for many years even in bad summers . I think if you could keep them dry enough you may have a chance ?
Maybe S. colchiciflora loves a cooler spot outside because it comes from higher altitude ?
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In my warm dry garden the Sternbergia many years to grow outside. The propagation takes place by self seed. I start with 5 pieces.
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In my warm dry garden the Sternbergia many years to grow outside. The propagation takes place by self seed. I start with 5 pieces.
A perfect scene
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Thanks Cyril . I suppose that Sternbergia sicula 'Arcadian Sun ' is the best choice to try outside. Here it flowers wel outside for many years even in bad summers . I think if you could keep them dry enough you may have a chance ?
Maybe S. colchiciflora loves a cooler spot outside because it comes from higher altitude ?
I will try these suggestions Kris. Perhaps a place near a shrub where they can be drier in summer.
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Planting near shrubs is indeed a good idea for bulbs who love to be dry in summer.
This S. lutea is reliable here in flowering outside in the rockgarden.
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A perfect scene
I agree Maggi .... :o
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The famous sicula form who was collected by Alan Edwards in the Selia Gorge.
Superb form and many thanks to the very kind forum member who give me this bulbs ! 8) :)
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The Selia form is very attractive. :o
I'm forming a plan - just can't decide whether to move to Denmark, where Poul-Erik is growing bulbs so well - and they have fine pastries - or to Vienna, where Franz has Paradise - and cakes and pastries too ....... ::) ;)
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The Selia form is very attractive. :o
I'm forming a plan - just can't decide whether to move to Denmark, where Poul-Erik is growing bulbs so well - and they have fine pastries - or to Vienna, where Franz has Paradise - and cakes and pastries too ....... ::) ;)
... and what is wrong with Clootie Dumpling ??? ;D
Chris
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... and what is wrong with Clootie Dumpling ??? ;D
Chris
;D ;D
Not a thing, Chris .... honestly I'm thinking more of the health of the bulbs than my hungry tummy..... honestly ::)..... ;D
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I'm forming a plan - just can't decide whether to move to Denmark, where Poul-Erik is growing bulbs so well - and they have fine pastries - or to Vienna, where Franz has Paradise - and cakes and pastries too ....... ::) ;)
Maggi, you are very welcome here in Denmark - but couldn't you bring us some of your Scottish rocks (we haven't any), a few of Ians Erythroniums (he has so many, that he wouldn't notice) and maybe smuggle a few bottles of Malt Whisky. ;D
Poul
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The famous sicula form who was collected by Alan Edwards in the Selia Gorge.
Superb form and many thanks to the very kind forum member who give me this bulbs ! 8) :)
Kris, this is indeed a lovely form!
Poul
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Maggi, you are very welcome here in Denmark - but couldn't you bring us some of your Scottish rocks (we haven't any), a few of Ians Erythroniums (he has so many, that he wouldn't notice) and maybe smuggle a few bottles of Malt Whisky. ;D
Poul
Seems a reasonable request........ but it seems Ian is thinking of Teneriffe...... then again, Otto is growing the Selia form so well in Australia ..... but there are a lot of poisonous spiders etc... this is clearly not a simple decision. BD is most worried about where the erythroniums will be happy but where we can be nice and warm!
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These Sternbergia show that sometimes we have a warm summer...
1. Sternbergia greuteriana with a lutea to compare size
2 + 3. S. greuteriana
4. Not Sternbergia greuteriana, but a look-a-like Narcissus cavanillesii
5. Sternbergia lutea ex. Iran
Poul
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Despite our lousy summer one S. clusiana decided to flower!
Good growing forms I plant in front of a south facing wall, in a narrow strip (0,3m) between the wall and the street. Here they grow very well - this year not so beautiful because much rain means mach green at flowering time.
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Seems a reasonable request........ but it seems Ian is thinking of Teneriffe
I was thinking the very same thing yesterday, one of the Canary Islands. We could live there, up where the Aeoniums grow where it doesn't get hot. I wonder which island is the most interesting horticulturally. One with a few Sichuan restaurants that is.
johnw - +21C
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It's Sternbergia time here
Sternbergia sicula in a south facing bed and Sternbergia near greuteriana from Karpathos
Gerd
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It's Sternbergia time here
Sternbergia sicula in a south facing bed and Sternbergia near greuteriana from Karpathos
Gerd
Very nice to see them like that Gerd .
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Very nice to see them like that Gerd .
Kris, Thanks for compliments!
Maybe it is worth to add that some Sternbergia sicula 'Dodona Gold' planted nearby did not survive
the harsh winter two years ago.
Gerd
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in the greenhouse in flower,
a very small Sternbergia greuteriana, stoloniferae form
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And Sternbergia greuteriana growing in a sheltered spot outside here. Sorry about the focus, dratted automatic camera!
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S. colchiciflora as usually fatty flowering. It's only one from all my collections stably blooming every year, completely unpretentious clone from Moldova-Ukraine border
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Hello
On some clones, when well fed, there are two flowers on the stalk - nice variation!
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S. colchiciflora as usually fatty flowering. It's only one from all my collections stably blooming every year, completely unpretentious clone from Moldova-Ukraine border
Impressive Dima!
A few from my garden
1 + 2.Sternbergia lutea
3. Sternbergia greuteriana says the label, but it looks more like a small sicula
4. The same in the rock garden
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S. colchiciflora as usually fatty flowering. It's only one from all my collections stably blooming every year, completely unpretentious clone from Moldova-Ukraine border
Amazing Dimitri , that's the clone we wan't to grow ...... ;D
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Kris, Thanks for compliments!
Maybe it is worth to add that some Sternbergia sicula 'Dodona Gold' planted nearby did not survive
the harsh winter two years ago.
Gerd
Indeed very interesting and good to know Gerd. It is not the first time I hear that this clone/form is less hardy in our climate.....
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Found these markings on Sternbergia leaves the first time -
my question is: are they caused by a disturbance in growth during evolvement of the leaves or v.....?
Any suggestions?
Gerd
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Found these markings on Sternbergia leaves the first time -
my question is: are they caused by a disturbance in growth during evolvement of the leaves or v.....?
Any suggestions?
Gerd
Very odd marking horizontally across the leaves , Gerd. We think a disturbance in growth pattern, perhaps an actual physical damage to the growing leaves.
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Thank you Maggi! This was also my suggestion.
Strangely the phenomenon happened in 2 pots of 6 and not in a garden bed.
Gerd
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Hi could anybody tell me what species of sternbergia this is please. Thanks John.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3847/15216777268_e264f2a7d4_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15216777268/)
sternbergia (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15216777268/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Hi could anybody tell me what species of sternbergia this is please. Thanks John.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3847/15216777268_e264f2a7d4_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15216777268/)
sternbergia (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15216777268/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
Hi John,
It is probably sicula. Lutea has normally broader leaves, but there are also hybrids between sicula and lutea, which could look like that.
Poul
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Thanks Poul I'd lost the label and couldn't remember what it was.
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What is your opinion - is this plant virused?
Can a virus from the Amaryllidaceae spread to Iridaceae (Crocus)?
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Clumps of Sternbergia lutea are starting to flower in the garden.
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Clumps of Sternbergia lutea are starting to flower in the garden.
Angst, angst and more angst :(
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Sternbergia greuteriana
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A very nice form of greuteriana, Tony!
A promising cross of my own:
1. Sternbergia lutea x sicula Dodona Gold. A pot of seedling under glass. There are two flowers from each bulb in some of them.
2. The same is also flowering well in the open garden
Poul
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Sternbergia greuteriana
Absolutely stunning Tony . Perfect form and so well grown .... :o
Here some flowers of S. lutea and sicula. Both are kind gifts from very kind forum members.....
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S. lutea and Colchicum variegatum flowering in my garden and around..
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Question from a total novice; I got three Stenbergia bulbs from a friend that bought them from Janis Ruksans in a conference last weekend. They are awake and need to be planted urgently I guess. The problem is that I have absolutely no experience regarding the genus. The bulbs were given to me as "Stenbergia". I suspect they might be Stenbergia aurea (?) as I overheard a conversation about that species at the conference. My winters are rain, rain and rain and then suddenly -20 with no snowcover and from end of December-beginning of January hopefully snowcover until spring. But not necessary. It can also be an all rainy winter. Summers are OK, lots of rain but usually also a lot of sun. The natural soil in the area is sand, and we are about +200m above sea level. I have several rockeries if that would be a good idea?
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Hi Susann ,
Sternbergia lutea......
I think that winter is no problem , certainly not with snow cover. But to get good flowering plants they need a dry summer and dry rest. When there is no such dry rest they only make leaves and even rot in summer.
So it would be wise to take them out after leaves died and store them in a dry place until july/august.
But after said this ....you certainly can try them on a very warm/dry and hot spot. I have some clones who doing wel outside. And summers in Belgium can be wet to.
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Kris, I just bought a nice potful of them from our members stall last Saturday. There are a couple of dead flowers on them right now and the foliage looks very strong. They are in a clay pot. Should I keep on watering them now or let them dry out? I'd love to see them flower well next year....
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Kris, I just bought a nice potful of them from our members stall last Saturday. There are a couple of dead flowers on them right now and the foliage looks very strong. They are in a clay pot. Should I keep on watering them now or let them dry out? I'd love to see them flower well next year....
Hi Chris , sorry if I confuse you .... they stil need moisture right now. In Greece and all the other places they grow they have wet and mositure in autumn and wintertime. It is also important to feed them now because they are very hungry .
In late spring - here this happen around the beginning of april (depends from year to year) - the leaves start fading away ....
If you grow them outside (planted out in the garden)this could be the right time to lift them and give that dry rest.
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Kris, I just bought a nice potful of them from our members stall last Saturday. There are a couple of dead flowers on them right now and the foliage looks very strong. They are in a clay pot. Should I keep on watering them now or let them dry out? I'd love to see them flower well next year....
Thank you for the advice. Maybe this is a good reason to finally install the roof over my alpine bench. It has been on the priority list for three or four years. I actually went to town two weeks ago to buy the plastic for the roof, but I could not find the right sizes. I will plant them in the bench then, its a raised one built by tree trunks. the soil mix is sand, old compost and peat.
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Here is a line from one of the old AGS Bulletins for David and his angst:
...Little enough is to be seen in my garden in November, but this is the season when the sternbergias come into their own. I believe I only grow 26 species but they give me great satisfaction...
This year the only clump we grow on a raised bed has actually made a superb display, as did a plant of Cyclamen graecum. Something to do with our very mild and wet winter followed by some quite dry and hot summer weather? (seems a long time ago now?). I think the main reason it has started flowering well is partly because it has been growing in the same spot for quite a few years and become nicely mature and congested, and it is only in the last few years that it has flowered well. I must try more of these 26 species ;)
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Angst, nay thrice and more ;D
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Take heart , David - there are 'reasons to be cheerful' -
first: there are a lot of us in the same boat, struggling to get lots of ( any!) flowers from these lovely plants
second: the person writing so gleefully in the AGS bulletin must have been a bit of a splitter - he speaks of 26 types (and some would even say 34 ) but the Kew list only recognises 8 names - so it's not as bad as it seems!
8 failures are nothing like as devastating as 26 ! ;D ;D
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:( :'( ;)
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Maggi - that little quote in the Bulletin was actually a bit of a poke at the tendency of alpine gardeners to get obsessed with names and growing lots of plants that are basically the same! (what about snowdrops!). It was part of a series of friendly digs at the way we can get so fascinated by the plants, which can lead others to feel very left out. Even eight sternbergias seems quite a lot; 26 (or 34) is just ridiculous. But they are lovely things when they do flower well, and then, like cyclamen, you just want more and more of them!
To put it in context here are a couple more of the quotes that went with it:
...Suddenly we came out on to broad sweeping moorland under which nestled the crystal pool of the Lac de Fois-gras. I forwent a search for Androsace vandellii on the black marble cliffs which tower above the western margin, for I had visited it there on each of the previous nine summers, as conscientous followers of the footnotes of my nine previous articles will testify.
...Of course, almost any compost will do for seed-sowing as long as certain elementary rules are obeyed. It is not absolutely necessary to visit Co. Offaly to dig the peat oneself, nor should a 5mm. sieve be rigidly adhered to when sifting the peat if only a 6mm. sieve is available. But as in all other disciplines attention to detail certainly pays dividends, and I find that the handling of Ramonda seed is certainly helped by the purchase of an Olympus zoom dissecting microscope, a microbiologist's standard microdissection kit and a slide haemocytometer. The seed should be surface-sterilised before sowing and for this I have found...
(A Society that can poke fun of itself like this is surely onto a good thing!).
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I have seen many Sternbergia's on several occasions in Crete and the Pelops ....
And when you look at them on this places , I can assure that the differences between al this forms are very hard to define .....
There so many 'in betweens ' and ' affinis or conforma ' ....
So to me, many looks like different kind of habitatforms .......but are in fact the same species.
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Two giant clumps of Sternbergia lutea taken last week in Andalusia, the first has 53 flowers!!
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Beyond superb!
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Sternbergia clusiana.
I am not good at taking camera and also posting them. At last I succeed it again.
After fadeing Sternbergia luteas, S.clusianas begun to bloom..
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Two giant clumps of Sternbergia lutea taken last week in Andalusia, the first has 53 flowers!!
:o Superb Oron !
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Two giant clumps of Sternbergia lutea taken last week in Andalusia, the first has 53 flowers!!
Oron, it is always a delight to see Sternbergia flowering in the nature, but these are exceptional!
Thanks for showing us.
Poul
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Sternbergia clusiana.
I am not good at taking camera and also posting them. At last I succeed it again.
After fadeing Sternbergia luteas, S.clusianas begun to bloom..
ikizzeki,
the Sternbergia clusiana look really nice.
Unfortunately, here they are quite difficult in the culture.
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I have seen many Sternbergia's on several occasions in Crete and the Pelops ....
And when you look at them on this places , I can assure that the differences between al this forms are very hard to define .....
There so many 'in betweens ' and ' affinis or conforma ' ....
So to me, many looks like different kind of habitatforms .......but are in fact the same species.
Just back from Crete and with the experience of a closer examination of a site with so called Sternbergia greuteriana ( Gipari Gorge) I confirm this entirely. Flower and leaf shape according descriptions don't seem of any value to differentiate the lutea, sicula, greuteriana complex.
Gerd
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ikizzeki,
the Sternbergia clusiana look really nice.
Unfortunately, here they are quite difficult in the culture.
Udo,
Yes ,I am lucky a bit. If you have ever grew Colcichum variegatumand or S. lutea, so S.clusiana too. Because they have same conditions to grow..
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Today I found something interesting with S.lutea. Ther is three flowers on one stem. It is starge isnt it.
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Strange S.lutea..Three flowers on one stem..Is it normal?
I am not good at computer. Yes I posted wrongly, but also can not manage to delete either. sorry for.
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Never seen that! It will be interesting if it happens every year. 8)
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Just back from Crete and with the experience of a closer examination of a site with so called Sternbergia greuteriana ( Gipari Gorge) I confirm this entirely. Flower and leaf shape according descriptions don't seem of any value to differentiate the lutea, sicula, greuteriana complex.
Gerd
Hi Gerd , good to hear that you where on the right time to see them flower !
I am happy that somebody confirms my experience . But when you think of it then the good news is that there is some variation in those populations . Isn't it ?
I would like them called S. lutea " Cipari Gorge " .
But the best part of be there is see them growing and flowering . We are looking forward to see some pictures in the future .
Kind regards.
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Sternbergia colchiciflora and S. sicula in bloom today
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Sternbergia colchiciflora and S. sicula in bloom today
Unbelievable! Don't know what to admire more, the Sternbergias or the daffodils.
Oron, are the cavanillesii a special variety - var. mauretanicus for instance?
Gerd
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Oron, are the cavanillesii a special variety - var. mauretanicus for instance?
Gerd
Yes Gerd it is var. mauritanicus. Attached is also var. cavanillesii which is in flower as well today.
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I am speechless!
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I am speechless!
And I am drooling Maggi ........
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I am speechless!
And I am drooling Maggi ........
And I'm hoping the seeds may appear on the "seeds for peace" list ;D
cheers
fermi
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Kris, that is not the intention...
Fermi, that is the intention...
;) ;)
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Kris, that is not the intention...
Fermi, that is the intention...
;) ;)
[attachimg=1] good news!
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I am speechless!
Me too - and nearly drooling"!
Thank you Oron!
Gerd
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I am speechless because of drooling :P
Wonderfulplants and pictures Oron!
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Kris, that is not the intention...
Can't help it Oron . ;) But it helps when I know your intentions ;) ;D
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This afternoon i visited the Southern part of the Golan Heights where at the moment thousands of Sternbergia clusiana are in bloom. They grow in steps and walls of basaltic stone facing the Sea of Galilee.
I like in particularly the fase where flowers are still greeny before turning yellow.
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Beautiful sternbergia oron, good to see them in there natural habitat.