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Title: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 03, 2014, 12:56:23 PM
In the past 3 years or so I have made the expedition to Nettetal in order to buy snowdrops and other wonderful plants. And an expedition it is - I have experienced snowstorms and bitter cold as well as pouring rain. My car was almost swallowed up in a boggy field (called 'carpark') and had to be pulled out by a tractor...

Anyway. As there is no way to get hold of snowdrops close to home, I have also bought by mailorder in order to build up my collection. Matt Bishop's drops arrived in excellent condition and were just what I wished for. Ashwood Nurseries also sent very good plants wonderfully packed - and a small complaint was dealt with in a very satisfactory way. I can recommend Monksilver as well as the German nurseryman Michael Camphausen.

However, today I received a drop-delivery from Harveys Garden Plants and I am most disappointed. The parcel took 7 days to arrive (bad courier), several of the drops are in bad condition and in at least 2 cases not what I expected.

What are your experiences? Or is it 'gauche' to say these things openly on the forum?
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Leena on February 03, 2014, 02:27:10 PM
My solution to the long shipping time to Finland, is that I only buy dormant bulbs, and I have been very pleased with the quality of the bulbs.
The shipping to Finland may take over a week, but it can also be as fast as three days, you never know, and snowdrops in green can't take it so long (or at least they go prematurely dormant and the next year's flowering suffers). I think it is the Finnish mail which is unpredictable, if I send anything to the UK, it almost always takes only three or four days, so the UK mail is better. :)
MY only problem with buying dormant bulbs is how to wait for so long before I see what's for sale and to order, especially when looking at the lovely snowdrop pictures here in the forum. :)
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 03, 2014, 02:44:44 PM
I think you should search Harveys on the forum
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Alan_b on February 03, 2014, 05:48:35 PM
If you do, you'll find similar criticisms of Harvey's snowdrops in previous years.  But I bought one from Harvey's two (?) years ago and that was fine.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 03, 2014, 06:19:52 PM
Just to illustrate what I mean...
Thank you, Leena, for your experience. Dormant bulbs from trustworthy sources are probably the best solution.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 03, 2014, 06:30:17 PM
Looks like Atkinsii. You need a refund for the snowdrops and postage and not be charged postage for replacements
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Alan_b on February 03, 2014, 06:42:05 PM
".. cultivar with all green inner segments" is an accurate description of 'Merlin' but that's not what you've got.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 03, 2014, 07:33:19 PM
Quite... And the other drops aren't much better.
However, maybe Harveys will resolve the matter - I have mailed my complaints to them.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 03, 2014, 08:19:08 PM
I would like to see what was sent. Are all flowering size? He says all bulbs are flowering size but may not produce a flower this year
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 03, 2014, 08:23:08 PM
Here is another one for a laugh  ;D
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 03, 2014, 08:33:16 PM
And here is 'Green Hayes' bulb and flower. The bulb seems to have been stripped of its outer layers. The flower doesn't have any green markings on the outers. I expected a few green lines. - Somewhat disappointing considering I paid a ridiculous price for this one. What an idiot I am...

'Wendy's Gold' and 'Trymlet' were ok.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Richard Williams on February 03, 2014, 10:12:42 PM
      I bought some plants from Harveys website last year and as far as I recall they were all fine. I've just nipped out to the greenhouse to check and all have survived and bulked up nicely.
      As someone with a foot in both camps as seller (of auriculas) and buyer (of snowdrops) I can see both sides of problems like this, I'd be annoyed with plants turning up that I was not happy (and I wouldn't be slow in letting a seller know about it) But equally if I was Harveys I'd be spitting mad that a problem has been aired on a public forum before I had the chance of redress!
On e-bay do they sell as dorasnowdrops and simplysnowdrops ? Just put 2 & 2 together to make the proverbial 5 as both registered as coming from Thurston or Bury St Edmunds which is the same address as Harveys and a few plants have the same photo? I bought some drops from simplysnowdrops including a couple of £20 cowhouse greens which along with the others were very good plants. May be different people and coincidental, if not why the mystery?
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 03, 2014, 10:30:59 PM
Same people as well as selling as Harveys. If I remember correctly each, in the early days, gave the other feedback
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: uvularia on February 03, 2014, 10:31:59 PM
I have bought a number of snowdrops from Harveys. Although there has been problems, they are very quick to redress any problems. Even though I have received the wrong plants, they sent me replacements very quickly and I returned the wrongly named snowdrops. Speaking as a nurseryman, I think Harveys do what  they can to solve any problems. I will have to look at my Green Hayes now asap! :)
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Alan_b on February 03, 2014, 10:37:16 PM
Harvey's used to sell as Harvey's but I don't think they still do.  I wonder if this is something to do with the difference between selling on eBay as a business or selling as a private individual?  I think what eBay expects of you as a business is much more rigorous than what you can get away with as a private individual.  Harveys are by no means the only snowdrop nursery to use an 'alias' in order to sell on eBay.     
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 03, 2014, 10:40:04 PM
Harveys are by no means the only snowdrop nursery to use an 'alias' in order to sell on eBay.     

True but he doesn't sell under two names
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on February 03, 2014, 10:46:21 PM
Sellers maintaining two different ebay IDs is very common. Typically the feedback score is much the same for both identities, prices generally identical. Many are clearly box shifters. Not sure why it's so common but presumably there is some obscure aspect of listing / feedback they're exploiting, or they're just packing the search results. Would be interested to know why it happens so much.
Title: good news on Mailorder Snowdrops - Monksilver list out now
Post by: Alan_b on February 04, 2014, 07:32:39 AM
Totally unrelated to the previous posts on this thread but befitting the title, I got the Monksilver Availability List 2014 in the post yesterday.

Edit by maggi to change heading for this post   :))
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 04, 2014, 01:10:28 PM
Just a little apology - I did not want to pillory Harveys - although it looks a little bit that way, I'm afraid. I'm in contact with them and I'm sure the matter will be resolved.
After my shock yesterday I was interested in other people's experiences with mailorder snowdrops, that's all. I've had excellent PM advice since - Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: art600 on February 04, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
I have been more than delighted with my purchases from Glen Chantry, Avon and Judy's Snowdrops.  Prices very reasonable and packing excellent.

My experience with Harveys was bulbs not as described (not flowering size but 2 year chips), expensive postal charges - they did return my money when I complained.

You soon learn who the good guys are and this Forum is an excellent source of info.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 04, 2014, 04:34:45 PM
Had a very friendly reply from Harveys just now: 'Merlin' was a mistake, 'Green Hayes' is an immature bulb and full colouration will only appear in one or two years. 'Poculiformis': the wording is a mistake. I can send those plants back which I do not wish to keep and get a full refund. This is what I will do, so the matter is resolved.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 04, 2014, 04:38:46 PM
Please send back Green Hayes. It may be immature bulb but its a diseased one.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 04, 2014, 05:11:07 PM
Thank you, Mark - I had a feeling something was wrong with it. I'll send it back.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: annew on February 04, 2014, 06:09:28 PM
Unfortunately, I agree with you Alan. Ebay sales depend on positive feedback.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Mavers on February 06, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
From years of buying snowdrops mail order I have a lot of confidence in the following sellers.

In no particular order: Angela Whinfield, Avon Bulbs, Matt Bishop, Joe Sharman, Mike Broadhurst, Wol & Sue Staines, Ian Christie, Jenny Homewood.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: uvularia on February 06, 2014, 10:01:25 PM
Has anyone received Angela Whinfield's list yet?
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Maggi Young on February 06, 2014, 10:16:51 PM
According to the Snape  website : In addition to the Snowdrops in pots offered for sale on our Snowdrop Sundays, I will be offering some for sale via mail order
I'm not sure whether I will have sufficient stock to do a list every year, so keep an eye on the website around the beginning of February.

To keep postage costs down, I shall list any surplus bulbs on the website in 2014, or

... If you would care to send me a stamped addressed envelope, marked "Snowdrop List" I will post the details to you as soon as they are available (probably late January/early February).

All mail order lists will be posted on the same date, ensuring that you all receive one at the same time!

Obviously, first come, first served, as some bulbs will inevitably be in short supply.

Unfortunately, I cannot reserve individual snowdrops as it is not fair on everyone else, and I like to encourage beginners as well as "old hands".

All snowdrops will be dug from the garden and posted in the first week of March.  Cultivation instructions will be enclosed with each order.

Previous customers have complimented me on the quality of the bulbs and the happiness with which they settle into their new homes.

I cannot accept orders after 28th February."
"We are open in 2014 for snowdrops on saturday 22Nd  february 10.30-5.00"
http://www.snapecottagegarden.co.uk/snowdrops.htm (http://www.snapecottagegarden.co.uk/snowdrops.htm)
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Leena on February 07, 2014, 07:22:10 AM
From years of buying snowdrops mail order I have a lot of confidence in the following sellers.
In no particular order: Angela Whinfield, Avon Bulbs, Matt Bishop, Joe Sharman, Mike Broadhurst, Wol & Sue Staines, Ian Christie, Jenny Homewood.

Can you or anyone recommend places which sell dormant bulbs (which are better when shipping takes longer)?
I know and can recommend Glen Chantry (Wol and Sue Staines) and Dryad Bulbs.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: art600 on February 07, 2014, 09:23:30 AM
Leena

Judy's Snowdrops and Avon Bulbs have been excellent for dormant bulbs.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: art600 on February 07, 2014, 09:47:42 AM
It has been pointed out that Judy's Snowdrops only supplies the UK.  Sorry for the incorrect info.

It is a great shame as the snowdrops are excellent.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Leena on February 07, 2014, 11:36:34 AM
Avon Bulbs have been excellent for dormant bulbs.

In Avon Bulb pages they say that they sell in-in-green. :(
Do they have a dormant bulb list separately later in the summer?
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 07, 2014, 02:30:50 PM
Yes they do, I'll send you a PM
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Leena on February 07, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
Thank you Brian. :)
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: MR GRUMPY on February 07, 2014, 06:26:24 PM
Has anyone received Angela Whinfield's list yet?
Try the website again  ;) .
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: David Nicholson on February 07, 2014, 06:32:19 PM

http://www.snapecottagegarden.co.uk/snowdrops_for_sale.htm (http://www.snapecottagegarden.co.uk/snowdrops_for_sale.htm)


http://www.snapecottagegarden.co.uk/Snowdrop%20mail%20order%20form%202014.pdf (http://www.snapecottagegarden.co.uk/Snowdrop%20mail%20order%20form%202014.pdf)
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: MR GRUMPY on February 07, 2014, 06:34:23 PM
Thanks David. :)
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: kGarden on February 08, 2014, 02:05:04 PM
On e-bay do they sell as dorasnowdrops and simplysnowdrops ? Just put 2 & 2 together to make the proverbial 5 as both registered as coming from Thurston or Bury St Edmunds which is the same address as Harveys and a few plants have the same photo? I bought some drops from simplysnowdrops including a couple of £20 cowhouse greens which along with the others were very good plants. May be different people and coincidental, if not why the mystery?
I bought some from both eBay accounts (assuming they were probably one and the same entity) and intending to collect them I asked if I could collect both together.  I'm pretty sure they said the reason for the two accounts were that the bulbs were at separate locations and thus presumably, having two eBay accounts enabled them to despatch directly from each.  Either way, they collected all my order together so I could collect them as one.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 11, 2014, 10:22:35 AM
http://www.snapecottagegarden.co.uk/snowdrops_for_sale.htm (http://www.snapecottagegarden.co.uk/snowdrops_for_sale.htm)

http://www.snapecottagegarden.co.uk/Snowdrop%20mail%20order%20form%202014.pdf (http://www.snapecottagegarden.co.uk/Snowdrop%20mail%20order%20form%202014.pdf)

She only mails to UK and NI...  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: steve owen on February 11, 2014, 11:00:56 PM
I hadn't noticed this thread before. I have no connection with Harveys but can I say that Roger Harvey seems to be a man of integrity and my expectation is that if a customer had a problem with any plant received from Harveys, he would be keen to sort it out quickly (as he did once for me).

Perhaps two other points could be made. First, that even in well-run suppliers the occasional diseased bulb can get through quality control. Or develop disease although the bulb received seemed sound.

Second, that I am now well-used to the phenomenon of planting an ok-looking bulb and finding that the next growing season it either sends up a wispy single leaf or "sleeps" completely. The trick is to resist the temptation to dig it up, but instead to water the site with something strong (against eg narcissus fly or fungal problem) and then wait a year. Some bulbs resent disturbance and experience a major check on growth that can last even two years. 
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 13, 2014, 11:57:53 AM
Just a Little update: Harveys was very friendly and forthcoming. I returned the snowdrops I was disappointed with and got my money back.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 13, 2014, 05:33:23 PM
I like Beth Chatto Gardens! Its been mentioned many times on here how good they are
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 13, 2014, 06:41:53 PM
I couldn't agree more.
But they only send plants to UK or NI...  :'(
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Leena on February 14, 2014, 07:45:54 AM
Just a Little update: Harveys was very friendly and forthcoming. I returned the snowdrops I was disappointed with and got my money back.

This is good to know, but still a lot of extra work for you, not to speak of that now you have to start to look for the right snowdrops somewhere else.  :( I understand that mistakes happen.
I have received many wrong plants from different places (but no snowdrops) and I never order again from those companies. But I guess there are always new customers even if they lose me as a customer.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Mavers on February 17, 2014, 06:50:22 PM
Yes Mark I forgot about Beth Chatto, they're usually very generous with their excellent bulbs.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: steve owen on February 23, 2014, 09:07:02 AM
I can recommend Andrew and Anita Thorpe of Theddingworth in Leicestershire (contact info can be googled). I don't think they have a website but they have an excellent range of snowdrops at reasonable prices.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: RichardW on February 23, 2014, 09:21:07 AM
Ditto, Have bought some very nice plants from them.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 26, 2014, 05:19:20 PM
I'd like to get back on to John Morleys mailing list. How much is the 2015 catalogue?
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 26, 2014, 05:20:23 PM
How much do I need to send for the Snowdrop Company 2015 catalogue?
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: MR GRUMPY on February 26, 2014, 07:00:42 PM
I'd like to get back on to John Morleys mailing list. How much is the 2015 catalogue?
Last two years if you order something the next years catalogue is free,so to speak,but if you don't order anything you have to send a cheque to cover postage of the catalogue.I thinks its £2 or £3 pounds.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 26, 2014, 07:09:51 PM
Thanks. Maybe I'll contact him via ebay

Wheelieneily on ebay sells quality plants that are very well packed
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on February 27, 2014, 04:24:41 PM
decided late in the day to try some woronowii and went for some on ebay. They arrived this morning.

Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Maggi Young on February 27, 2014, 04:42:35 PM
Good grief!  Well, no doubt that those bulbs are unfit for purpose, is there?  :o >:(
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 27, 2014, 04:46:54 PM
 :o :o :o you better out the seller
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 27, 2014, 04:56:35 PM
Cornovium Snowdrops on ebay - well packed excellent plants
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on February 27, 2014, 05:32:19 PM
:o :o :o you better out the seller

Have opened the case .. if the seller does mea maxima culpa I'll refrain from naming. The bulbs were in one of those ventilated semi-opaque plasticy packet things (the sort that healthy bulbs come in in September) so there is just, just barely, no, honestly missus almost an excuse if the packets were naively thought to preserve all contents indefinitely against ...
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 27, 2014, 05:34:45 PM
So hard to believe that someone would send those out
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on February 27, 2014, 05:35:22 PM

Wheelieneily on ebay sells quality plants that are very well packed

seconded
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: ChrisB on February 27, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
Good grief indeed.  And I've just ordered G. Ikariae from EBay I'll let you know how they turn out...
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on February 27, 2014, 05:43:39 PM
Good grief indeed.  And I've just ordered G. Ikariae from EBay I'll let you know how they turn out...

They will be woronowii - guaranteed
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: ChrisB on February 27, 2014, 05:55:47 PM
Hmmm thought they might be but thought I'd give them a try anyway.  I've only got one clump of woronowii anyway so I'll enjoy them anyway for less than a tender.   They say 50bulbs so we'll see when they arrive.  Will report back...
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on February 28, 2014, 01:41:27 AM
Hmmm thought they might be but thought I'd give them a try anyway.  I've only got one clump of woronowii anyway so I'll enjoy them anyway for less than a tender.   They say 50bulbs so we'll see when they arrive.  Will report back...

Sounds likely you've gone for the same listing as me, Chris. Have PMd you with more details.

H
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Mavers on February 28, 2014, 10:49:11 AM
I saw these for sale on ebay & thought there is no way G. Ikariae would be offered so cheaply.

Who ever sent them out should be ashamed. >:(

Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on February 28, 2014, 01:35:33 PM
Chris and I have checked and it's the same seller. I asked for a partial refund; that was accepted and paid this morning, no comment, no apology. I'm sure I could have asked for more but it's now a very minor loss, and is turning into an interesting experiment to see how many I can save, if any.

To balance things, I got delivery this morning of what I bought as "20 + !" G. elwesii from a seller called firecrystal02. There were 27 fat bulbs, not counting the offsets on several, all very well packed. I paid £6 plus £3.50 postage.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on February 28, 2014, 01:38:20 PM
I saw these for sale on ebay & thought there is no way G. Ikariae would be offered so cheaply.

Who ever sent them out should be ashamed. >:(

Yes they should be.

I never imagined for a moment they would be ikariae but I was after woronowii and happy to pay a tenner for 50. There are plenty of honest and generous sellers on ebay, see below, so I don't feel too bad about having a punt.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Mavers on March 01, 2014, 05:27:05 PM
You are right hwscott there are honest & generous sellers on ebay & I've have received some lovely snowdrops.

Glad you are feeling ok now.  ;D
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2014, 08:11:52 AM
Here is my order.  They look ok but some are certainly dried out... Should I rehydrate them by soaking in water before planting?  Considering the price and so long as they are woronowii I'm reasonably happy with them.[attach=1]
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: emma T on March 02, 2014, 08:16:02 AM
I'd give them a soak
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Alan_b on March 02, 2014, 09:00:55 AM
Buying bulbs that are just breaking dormancy when they should be in full leaf with a fully-formed root system is a big risk, particularly with small bulbs that need a full season to recoup the energy they put into growth.  Chris, I think if you end up with 25% of those bulbs still alive by next year you will be doing well.  And I would not mix them in with other snowdrops because they don't all look too healthy.  Maybe you can grow them in pots until summer then rescue them and plant out those that remain and look healthy?  I always strip snowdrop bulbs down to the healthy white part when transplanting because in a small minority of instances there is little or nothing left when I do this and I don't want such bulbs mixed-in with my normal healthy ones.     
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2014, 09:33:33 AM
Thanks Alan I'll do as you say... I'm not so fussy about snowdrops as others are but I do like growing species of many plants just to see if I can figure out the differences in them.  I've got some germinating galanthus seed too so I'll be back to the galanthophiles for advice on whether they are what it says on the packet someday... It's probably the best way to buy species I guess but not often on our list...
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Alan_b on March 02, 2014, 10:04:33 AM
Fussy doesn't come into it - what I'm advocating is just good hygiene.  You don't want to risk contaminating your existing healthy snowdrops by bringing them into contact with ones that may not be healthy.   
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2014, 12:27:28 PM
Sorry should have phrased that better.  I really meant I'm not a real snowdrop fancier when I said fussy.  I do understand about the hygiene thing.... thanks...
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on March 02, 2014, 01:10:30 PM
I wouldn't buy dormant bulbs at this time of year. Many are definitely dead or dying
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Martin Baxendale on March 02, 2014, 01:41:47 PM
I'd get a tray or large pot of general purpose type compost and just push the bulbs into it with the noses sticking out, water and then keep an eye on  them to see which are sending up shoots and putting down roots. Any that don't root after week or two and are easily lifted out I would pull out and discard (especially if they start to rot or go mouldy) as they're dead. I was still planting dried bulbs in December and they've grown on fine.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2014, 01:48:02 PM
I've put them in to soak today and will pot up tomorrow.  I just bought them on impulse and I know that's not good but now I've got them I'm going to see if I can get some of them to grow anyway...
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: steve owen on March 02, 2014, 04:52:44 PM
Chris
Have you got a bit of fungicide or disinfectant you can put in the soak? Jeyes fluid will do for the latter if you have nothing more specialised.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2014, 05:08:17 PM
I've plunged them into gritty damp sand now.  I'll let you know how many survive...
I'm not planning to give positive feedback on eBay ... I know I should know better than to buy this time of year but I somehow thought I'd be getting them in the green.  It didn't say that and I made an incorrect assumption.  Good job they were not too expensive!
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on March 03, 2014, 01:01:18 AM
I've plunged them into gritty damp sand now.  I'll let you know how many survive...
I'm not planning to give positive feedback on eBay ... I know I should know better than to buy this time of year but I somehow thought I'd be getting them in the green.  It didn't say that and I made an incorrect assumption.  Good job they were not too expensive!

I fell for that one too, Chris .. just assumed they'd be in the green. Yours look significantly better than mine,  though.

I pulled away as much rotted material as I could, which meant taking half the scales away in some cases .. and I had maybe a dozen that were completely gone. The others I put to soak in an inch or two of water with a sachet of copper-based fungicide. They plumped up considerably and a few more began to push shoots out.

I've been using rootgrow to promote mycorrhizal infection of roots for a  while, and wondered if there might be any kind of probiotic effect, so I potted up one batch just as they came out of the copper, and then watered the rest of the fungicide on as a drench. My usual mix has some rootgrow added but the fungicide will have dealt with that. Another batch I scrubbed very thoroughly then potted up with a sprinkling of rootgrow. Not exactly rigorous expermimental procedure, but I'm curious. A few more went into garden soil away from any existing drops and as I don't have any other woronowii they should be easy to spot if they do survive.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Alan_b on March 03, 2014, 07:46:09 AM
I would be very interested to know how you both get on; perhaps you can post back in May or June?  I've never got on well with gritty sand because it needs such frequent watering to stop it drying out and I go away for a week or forget and then so much for those bulbs. 
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: ChrisB on March 03, 2014, 08:38:35 AM
I'm keeping them under surveillance like you suggested Alan so I can spot mould and suchlike. Decided on the sand as it will be easy to remove failures.  Interesting experiment... I'll keep you informed of how I get on...
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on March 04, 2014, 03:16:08 PM
if anyone is concerned about the woronowii seller, just pm me
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on March 06, 2014, 09:47:49 AM
How much should I invoice Harvey's for repeatedly using my photos without permission? He doesn't even have the decency to give my web site a mention or link
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Mavers on March 06, 2014, 10:20:23 AM
The wotten wat......
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Sean Fox on March 06, 2014, 12:23:56 PM
He's a bit out of order there Mark, have you contacted him?
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on March 06, 2014, 02:23:34 PM
Not yet
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Maggi Young on March 06, 2014, 04:44:34 PM
I'm surprised there has been no talk of 'Morgana' - especially since there seems to be such enthusiasm here for green 'drops :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Galanthus-elwesii-Morgana-rare-and-desirable-snowdrop-/331144245255?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item4d19bc3007 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Galanthus-elwesii-Morgana-rare-and-desirable-snowdrop-/331144245255?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item4d19bc3007)    - previously been selling for over £300.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Brian Ellis on March 06, 2014, 04:47:24 PM
    - previously been selling for over £300.
Perhaps that's why Maggi, no matter how lovely it's only a bulb  ::)
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Matt T on March 06, 2014, 05:06:39 PM
But P&P is free!  ;)
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Brian Ellis on March 06, 2014, 06:23:48 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: steve owen on March 06, 2014, 07:57:09 PM
Morgana is a Land of Beyond snowdrop. Like Cryptonite. Or Hanning's Horror. Or Longnor Hall Double.  Or Green Mile...
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: MR GRUMPY on March 06, 2014, 08:05:07 PM
Morgana is a Land of Beyond snowdrop. Like Cryptonite. Or Hanning's Horror. Or Longnor Hall Double.  Or Green Mile...
But what a land,Hey steve. :o :o
Don't forget York Minster. ;)
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: emma T on March 06, 2014, 08:42:16 PM
One can dream
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on March 06, 2014, 09:39:44 PM
I missed Morgana finish this evening. How much did it go for?
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Mavers on March 07, 2014, 09:30:14 AM
With the rising number of 'Green' snowdrops on the horizon I wonder how long will it be before they do not attain such high prices?

Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on March 07, 2014, 09:44:02 AM
I missed Morgana finish this evening. How much did it go for?

£320
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: mark smyth on March 07, 2014, 09:44:57 AM
With the rising number of 'Green' snowdrops on the horizon I wonder how long will it be before they do not attain such high prices?

I think they will remain high because each one that becomes available will be new and collectable
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Maggi Young on March 07, 2014, 11:28:23 AM
I think that is probably true, Mark.  There seem to be a large number of people who regard snowdrops as a sort of alternative to train-spotting - they collect obsessively but to no great effect or purpose. These people will always pay large prices for something "new" .
I want plants primarily to make my garden beautiful. In the past I was also interested in plants which would make good show exhibits - these fancy 'drops with fancy prices are,  as far as I can see, not suitable for either purpose really.
It is to be hoped that in the future some of these "specials" will persist and prove themselves worthy as garden plants by growing well  but there are a lot of  "ifs and buts" between now and then, I reckon!

I do hope that folks buying 'drops, mail order or otherwise will find  pleasure from them for many years to come as they increase and beautify their gardens.......
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on March 07, 2014, 12:14:55 PM
There seem to be a large number of people who regard snowdrops as a sort of alternative to train-spotting

Some people are 'completists' ..  they have to climb all the munros. I'm still trying to get ALL the stickers for the 1966 England World Cup squad.

Then there's what Rene Girard calls 'mimetic desire' .. 'oh, you've got a ... I want one!'

I quite like the phrase I heard a psychiatrist use, 'a constellation of personality disorders'.

Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Mavers on March 07, 2014, 01:05:19 PM
Yes that's right Mark the new & rare will always be pricey.

Once expensive snowdrops such as E A Bowles have dropped in price now it's more widely available, though still pricey for some pockets.

Godfrey Owen has also become more affordable, so hopefully the 'Green'uns' that are good doers will eventually be within reach............. 8)
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on August 11, 2014, 05:53:18 PM
Follow-up .. slightly late, I know ...

I would be very interested to know how you both get on; perhaps you can post back in May or June?  I've never got on well with gritty sand because it needs such frequent watering to stop it drying out and I go away for a week or forget and then so much for those bulbs.

just to explain 'drenched' and 'undrenched' pots .. for the full story look back in the thread, but this was dealing with a rotten (literally) purchase of woronowii bulbs ..

I've been using rootgrow to promote mycorrhizal infection of roots for a  while, and wondered if there might be any kind of probiotic effect, so I potted up one batch just as they came out of the copper, and then watered the rest of the fungicide on as a drench. My usual mix has some rootgrow added but the fungicide will have dealt with that. Another batch I scrubbed very thoroughly then potted up with a sprinkling of rootgrow. Not exactly rigorous expermimental procedure, but I'm curious. A few more went into garden soil away from any existing drops and as I don't have any other woronowii they should be easy to spot if they do survive.

pot with fungicide drench. All ten bulbs still identifiable. Only one looking reasonably firm. Two had turned completely to mush. Two more had virtually done the same but a very small amount of live (possibly) tissue remained in the centre.

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pot with rootgrow / without the drench. Only 8 bulbs identifiable, the other two presumably had broken down to the point where they were indistinguishable from the multipurpose. One of the 8 not much more than a pip of tissue, but still, a pip of firm, clean tissue.

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Nothing quantified, but my impression is that the drenched pot, the bulbs have not improved, while the other lot look moderately healthy.

No sign, in the drenched pot, of any root tissue, while the undrenched pot had bits of root throught much of the compost, including quite substantial clumps.

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It seems possible that the presence of the rootgrow in the compost has helped a root structure to develop such that the healthy tissue remaining in the cleaned bulbs has had the chance to actively grow.

I'll discard the bulbs from the drenched pot where there is nor (or only a negligible amount of)  live tissue and I will pot the two lots of remaining bulbs into my usual mix, so that will be 6 bulbs from the drenched pot, and  8 from the undrenched pot, and we will see what comes up in the new year.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Alan_b on August 13, 2014, 08:27:27 PM
I had always understood that mycorrhizal fungi (such as those in 'Rootgrow') require some humus to prosper and therefore would not thrive in gritty sand.  Is that really what you used as the growing medium?
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on August 13, 2014, 11:07:43 PM
They were in a multipurpose with added grit, Alan. There would be plenty of humus in any multipurpose for the mycorrhizal fungi to flourish. The shot of the compost was taken after prolonged raking about trying to find the mortal remains of the two 'missing' bulbs .. I admit it's a bit of a murky image!
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Alan_b on August 14, 2014, 06:45:53 AM
Just to be absolutely clear, did you use the same compost mix (with and without the 'Rootgrow') for both sets of snowdrops?
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Mavers on August 14, 2014, 09:58:27 AM
Multi-purpose compost & snowdrops?

Not something I'd care to try.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on August 14, 2014, 02:10:31 PM
Just to be absolutely clear, did you use the same compost mix (with and without the 'Rootgrow') for both sets of snowdrops?

Exactly the same. Brian. The only difference between the pots was the drench / rootgrow. The pots have sat beside each other, outdoors, since March.

Going by the pots as I turned them out, it wasn't actually my usual mix, which includes perlite. What they were in must have been about 2 or 3 of multipurpose to 1 of grit. Still, identical.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Maggi Young on August 14, 2014, 02:15:29 PM
I vote for more grit  :)
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: Michael J Campbell on August 14, 2014, 02:39:47 PM
 I don't know who came up with the idea but in my opinion, for what it is worth, there is no such a thing as multipurpose compost. :P   
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: David Nicholson on August 14, 2014, 04:04:17 PM
I couldn't agree more Michael, it's a garden centre term.
Title: Re: Mailorder Snowdrops
Post by: hwscot on August 23, 2014, 02:56:12 PM
I couldn't agree more Michael, it's a garden centre term.

It's the word the vast majority of people use, David, I think the quality of what's in the bag is more important than where the word came from, and whther or not you're getting value for money. You would certainly be getting value for money if the ebay listing here were to deliver what it suggests. 10 for £1.45, and the photo appears to be Elizabeth Harrison. The only catch I can see is that you don't get a packet of Rootgrow with them.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-SNOWDROPS-WORONOWII-GARDENING-BULB-BEAUTIFUL-SPRING-SUMMER-FLOWER-PERENNIAL-/271583320017?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item3f3ba097d1 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-SNOWDROPS-WORONOWII-GARDENING-BULB-BEAUTIFUL-SPRING-SUMMER-FLOWER-PERENNIAL-/271583320017?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item3f3ba097d1)
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