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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Janis Ruksans on February 01, 2014, 12:01:13 PM
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Last night here started some warming. At present outside is heavy snowstorm and temperature raised up to minus 5 C. But two nights before in my greenhouse thermometer showed nights minimum minus 16. I brought in some Crocus ancyrensis pots for checking as pots looks frozen solid. Put them in coll spot for slow defrosting. Two were with flowers.
But here I want to show two stocks of Crocus leichtlinii - both from last years pictures. As you can see - flower shape in both is different but otherwise all features and especially flower colour is identical. May be I more like that with pointed petals, but another looks very good, too.
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Beautiful crocuses, Janis :D And I'm hoping your crocus collection have'nt got any damages by the roller coaster temperature...
Crocus biflorus subsp. nubigena.
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Beautiful crocuses, Janis :D And I'm hoping your crocus collection have'nt got any damages by the roller coaster temperature...
Crocus biflorus subsp. nubigena.
Excellent picture. Look as plants from Samos Island.
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Excellent picture. Look as plants from Samos Island.
Thank you, Janis :) These bulbs from YOU ;D listed on your 2011 list. They have already fitted to my hands and climate ;)
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Good flowers, Janis and Tatsuo.
Here my first Crocus this spring:
Crocus fibroannulatus
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Out here, Crocus abantensis is starting to show it's heavenly blue colour ! :D
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Hello crocus friends.
Its nice too see your pretty crocuses.
Happy to read something from you, Dirk.
I am waiting for the day I can show you all my first special plant here. :-)
I love this forum.
I love crocuses.
Adios- Daniel
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I am happy to see all your prettys.daniel
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Out here, Crocus abantensis is starting to show it's heavenly blue colour ! :D
I love abantensis, too, Luc :)
Here is Crocus michelsonii. There are 2 flowers only this season :(
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Crocus fleisheri from Chios with very dark markings on the outside of the petals .
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Crocus fleisheri from Chios with very dark markings on the outside of the petals .
I've never seen fleisheri with so dark markings, Kris 8)
Here is Crocus fleischeri 'Gulek Pass', from Janis. The stigma in left flower is less dividing and there are some black stains on it.
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Crocus fleisheri from Chios with very dark markings on the outside of the petals .
Love the deep coloured stigma on fleisheri. I find this one difficult
here a few from today
C sieberi Bowles white in the garden
Sieberi Ronald Ginns
pelistericus from a generous friend. Thanks Tony W I am waiting for it to open properly but the outside sheen is good
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A few which were in flower here during the last couple of days.
Crocus atticus 'Michael Hoog's Memory'
Crocus chrysanthus 'Uschak Orange'
Crocus dalmaticus 'Petrovac'
Crocus fleischeri 'Gulek Pass'
and Crocus rujanensis
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Another two Crocus × gotoburgensis open today. I am quite pleased with the colouring on these
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very nice Tony.
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Another two Crocus × gotoburgensis open today. I am quite pleased with the colouring on these
Very nice Tony are these F1 or F2?
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Another two Crocus × gotoburgensis open today. I am quite pleased with the colouring on these
And so you should, Tony ! They're gorgeous !
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Very nice Tony are these F1 or F2?
I was about to ask the same question . When I first saw this hybrid I wasn't very taken with it, but I find the F2 types to be much prettier - so I would have though that these are F2 :-\ ???
Now I am overcoming my initial reservations about x gotoburgensis, which was hampering my 100% dedication to the genus, I am rejoicing in the ability to love ALL crocus!
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Another two Crocus × gotoburgensis open today. I am quite pleased with the colouring on these
A real eye-stopper, Tony!!! :o The dreamy gradations of colour in the flower remind me about M57 The Ring Nebula 8) (a pic from the public domain)
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Very nice Tony are these F1 or F2?
They are F1 ,I have not flowered and F2 yet.
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They are F1 ,I have not flowered and F2 yet.
Wow, then I am even more impressed.
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Another two Crocus × gotoburgensis open today. I am quite pleased with the colouring on these
Very understandable Tony; they're magnificent.
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Tony, the 2 Crocus x gotoburgensis are wonderful. These F1 are obviously quite variable.
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Thank you all,I will say I have only dabbed on the pollen the rest is not my doing!
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... I have only dabbed on the pollen the rest is not my doing!
Except for the able growing of parents & progeny ;) ;D
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Wow, then I am even more impressed.
Well separable by flower colour, in the wild both parents grow in a distance of only about 50 km [our team found both species growing much closer to each other than it was assumed earlier (~100 km – Randjelović & al., 2007)], but still they were not found alongside in spite of the fact that both occur in very similar ecological conditions and on same mountain ridge. Personally I tend to opinion that both are only colour forms of same species although C. scardicus is more difficult in cultivation, may be tenderer than C. pelistericus. The same opinion has Henrik Zetterlund, too. Both has the same chromosome numbers, and I think are very similar by chromosome morphology, too, but about last I'm not so certain.
The divergence of ancient forms on different mountain ridges isolated by valleys can go in different directions. This can go widely by morphological features without any selection by inter-fertility occurring. As a result there will appear 2 sister species different morphologically (in this case by colour) but still capable to pollinate one another and produce fertile progeny. The question is: are they then two different species or only subspecies of one species?
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Using some warmer days I again brought in some pots with crocuses. This stock of Crocus reticulatus - BATM-402Bc - was collected in Turkey (Adana Province) as C. cancellatus for its reticulated tunic (was collected long after blooming by dry leaves). In my garden book is note from 10th of January - in blooms (it was just before covering). Passed almost month when the flowers again saw light. Pots were frozen hard but plants alive. All other acquisitions of this species now only started to show flower buds, but in sample from Georgia only just tips of buds can be seen.
Flowers on picture aren't in best shape, but they are quite old...
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What a surprise that the flowers can keep so well under cover for so long.
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Janis
I find your comments very interesting re the two species and in particular about their ecological conditions in Macedonia.As you know I am off there in June to look at them. However having seen pictures of them it seems they grow in very different conditions to the Crocus pelistericus in Greece where the plants are really growing in a vernal lake and at flowering time are in standing water.Those in Macedonia appear to be on quite steeply sloping and somewhat drier ground? As you know on the slightly higher ground along side the C. pelistericus in Greece are masses of C. veluchensis.
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Tony,
I saw C. pelistericus in Macedonia just on stream bank and below snow. Identity was checked without any doubt, but side by side with it were C. jablanicensis. Both very different morphologically. It was small population and at start we simply jumped over stream and plants thinking by flower colour that it is C. veluchensis. Only on way back different pattern of flowers (then they were open in sun) forced to look down more carefully. We didn't suppose to see pelistericus there at all. There were C. jablanicensis just following snow and just below white flowers came zone of both colours and lower only the blue veluchensis. Without flowers impossible to separate both. My first opinion was that jablanicensis is white cvijicii, but both are different genetically. I wrote more a year ago.
Turning to C. scardicus - it was in flowers just below snow tongues in very waterfull soil and slightly lower (where snow melted earlier) again followed by veluchensis. But I found a lot of scardicus in dry soil, too - higher on mini-ridges. That surprised me, because my impression from other travellers and growers was that it needs a lot of water. Of course, I don't know how often there are summer-rains, but it is not need for permanent water. I suppose the same with C. pelistericus, too.
Here I'm attaching 3 pictures. Unfortunately restrictions of Forum not allow to me use larger sizes. On picture one you can see snow tongue. Over it are white "comma" - those are flowers of C. rujanensis, just below you can see some purple dots - C. pelistericus and at very bottom water stream. On second you may be can see violet flowers below same snow tongue - they are C. pelistericus and on the third is same C. pelistericus but closer. And last two are close-ups of 2 different pelistericus.
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I'm slowly bringing in pot by pot for pollination. May be tomorrow will start to take off covering in greenhouses as by long term weather broadcast it seems that winter ended. Oh, oh - if not? And if frost will return?
Here in two entries Crocus reticulatus - the first is from Moldavia (Bessarabia).
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The same Crocus reticulatus but from Greece (Macedonia)
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Incredibly, now 5 days ago still snow lay here, is Crocus suaveolens in full flower. Maybe the earliest species which is suitable really well for the open land.
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These crocuses just get more and more irresistable! Even though I have been a sort of lurking member of the Crocus Group for many years, I have never been hugely successful growing them because we grow most plants in the open garden - with rabbits and mice and squirrels... but now with a terrier to control these and the wonder of all these pictures to stimulate us I shall have to take up the challenge. In the meantime a few chocolates for the taste buds! (From our local market in town).
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Can anyone help name this little Albanian friend that has popped out in recent days?
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Can anyone help name this little Albanian friend that has popped out in recent days?
Paul, do you have a picture of the inside of the flower?
Possibly it is Crocus veluchensis.
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We had a chilly sleet storm throughout yesterday, and warm sunshine came back again this morning :)
Crocus sieberi 'George' has just started to open today.
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We’ve had a very mild winter in Aberdeen so far.
Below is C. gargaricus from 2010 “Crocus Group” seed – I’ve had a bit of a wait for the flowers.
Also a mixture from “Gipsy Girl” seed I collected in my garden.
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We’ve had a very mild winter in Aberdeen so far.
Below is C. gargaricus from 2010 “Crocus Group” seed – I’ve had a bit of a wait for the flowers.
Also a mixture from “Gipsy Girl” seed I collected in my garden.
I have the same C. gargaricus from the same source in flower today, Graeme ! :D
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Very nice Luc - How long did it take for yours to flower?
Graeme
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They were sown October 2010 and are flowering for the first time Graeme !
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Luc - same here - maybe they were from the same donor.
Graeme
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Yesterday I opened my pots from winter cover. Extremely early, but I hope that long-term weather broadcast will be true. Left to pray...
I again brought inside few pots
The first picture is Crocus olivieri subsp. istanbulensis - true species from locus classicus where left only some 100 plants. I didn't collect it. Really just protection put this plant under greatest danger. It needs open spots but after closing of locality there quickly started to grow shrubs and population started dramatically decrease. Not easy to keep the spot inside quickly raising Istanbul as small green island.
Another yellow plant 3 times changed name in my collection. I collected it under name of C. atrospermus (now I know that in proximity could be found C. tahtaliense, not atrospermus), but when I saw yellow color on wilted flowers (I was away at its blooming) I changed label to C. chrysanthus, but now to its real name - Crocus danfordiae, although it is collected at locus classicus of C. minutus - almost twin to blue danfordiae but with white stigma and different genetically.
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On this entry again pictures of Crocus chrysanthus from near Uschak - TULA-020
Note variability - white stigma, orange stigma, anthers plain yellow and anthers with black basal lobes.
Common to all (you can see in last picture) is purple colour deep in throat - easy spotable when you dissect the flower.
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Crocus aplenty in this too early Spring.
Crocus tommasinianus - can you beat the impact of a glade of tommies in the sunshine?
Crocus biflorus ssp ? raised from my own seed labelled ssp isauricus. Lovely dark purple, feathered outers.
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Crocus sieberi atticus
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Crocus sieberi atticus
Stunning plant Michael .
Here my last clone of Crocus fleisheri .........What you think ?
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Beautiful Kris, the purple reverse of the petals makes it look so much more attractive. I only grow one clone, C. fleishcheri "Gulek Pass' which has not got this feature.
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Beautiful Kris, the purple reverse of the petals makes it look so much more attractive. I only grow one clone, C. fleishcheri "Gulek Pass' which has not got this feature.
I hope he grows well Cyril ... ;) This is a clone from Chios .
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All my plants from Chios has purple on petals outside but no one is so impressive. Turkish mainland specimens more often are white on outside.
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Here my last clone of Crocus fleisheri .........What you think ?
All my plants from Chios has purple on petals outside but no one is so impressive. Turkish mainland specimens more often are white on outside.
Then, you have a precious one, Kris ;)
Here are Crocus chrysanthus 'Macedonian Ivory' and Crocus ancyrensis with dark throat.
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Thanks Tatsuo ,Cyril and Janis .
Few more pictures ....
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Outside in flower (in my peatbed ) : Crocus
cjivicii gargaricus.
In the greenhouse : C. olivieri .
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Paul, do you have a picture of the inside of the flower?
Possibly it is Crocus veluchensis.
Udo , I am afraid this is the best I have at the moment.
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This is from Turkey in Europe. Provisionally named as C. alexandri, but name could be changed.
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Udo , I am afraid this is the best I have at the moment.
I think almost certainly Crocus sieberi sublimis. I can see yellow in the throat and in other details it looks like sieberi. Ssp sublimis is recorded in S Albania.
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Udo , I am afraid this is the best I have at the moment.
It is some of atticus, most likely C. sublimis. C. veluchensis has white throat. Both ar growing in Albania.
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Some of Crocus reticulatusCMGG - from Georgia, main Caucasus ridge
Pyatigorsk - foothills of Caucasus ridge
Azov steppe - S of Donetsk in E Ukraina (albino)
Colours not very good, pictures maid under atificial light, not so good for blue colour.
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More to West - the same species - C. reticulatus
Moldavia (Bessarabia) - something old flower
Greece - Mt. Falakro
and the last from Italy - picture from previous year. Didn't grow well last season and plants are not blooming this spring, although alive.
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The last today - C. reticulatus from Slovenia.
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Udo , I am afraid this is the best I have at the moment.
I would like to join to the opinion of Tony and Janis. Yellow in the throat was on him the first picture not recognizably.
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Outside in flower (in my peatbed ) : Crocus cjivicii
In the greenhouse : C. olivieri .
Kris, your Crocus cvijicii looks more like a Crocus herbertii.
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Kris, your Crocus cvijicii looks more like a Crocus herbertii.
Hello Dirk , I am thinking now .......you can hear my brains working ..... ;)
I think that I planted both species in this bed .....maybe I mixed the labels .... ???
I wil check , thanks for the reply !
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The last today - C. reticulatus from Slovenia.
I like them Janis . After this postings I even start to like more the reticulatus group ....
But the Slovenian form looks very good to me !
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I would like to join to the opinion of Tony and Janis. Yellow in the throat was on him the first picture not recognizably.
Thank you Udo, Tony & Janis. Crocus are mystery to me, but very beautiful all the same
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Kris, your Crocus cvijicii looks more like a Crocus herbertii.
Hello Dirk , I did check the labels and the label says Crocus gargaricus .Crocus cvijicii is coming very soon , it is only few centimeters from gargaricus away ......
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Hello Dirk , I did check the labels and the label says Crocus gargaricus .Crocus cvijicii is coming very soon , it is only few centimeters from gargaricus away ......
Hello Kris, With me Crocus cvijicii is about 2-3 weeks after gargaricus and herbertii in the blossom. Unfortunately, one can make a distinction both last hardly in the blossom.
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Too cool for open flowers, but the outside nicely points the variability:
Crocus nevadensis
three forms from Crocus bornmuelleri
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Dirk
Your Crocus bornmueller 1 and 3 are wonderful, especially No.1 :)
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Hello Kris, With me Crocus cvijicii is about 2-3 weeks after gargaricus and herbertii in the blossom. Unfortunately, one can make a distinction both last hardly in the blossom.
With me cvijicii blooms as one of last, gargaricus and herbertii are much earlier. The shape an position of flowers are different, too. Gargaricus and herbertii has a minor waist at flowers bottom and you can see flower tube bringing flower well over soil surface, in cvijicii flowers are funnel shape and tube is hided underground at least at start of blooming and it is same - both in wild and in cultivation. Later tube elongates but remain generally shorter than in both other.
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Despite often challenging weather (and light for photographers) there are some nice crocus in flower now.
Crocus chrysanthus / flavus on a Norwich City roundabout ... yes, I did have fun crossing the road to get the picture ;)
Crocus cvijicii - new seedlings in flower
Crocus reticulatus - a very nice form. Seed raised - original plants ex Greece?
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Dirk
Your Crocus bornmueller 1 and 3 are wonderful, especially No.1i
Many thanks, Arthur.
It is to be increased over and over again interesting Crocus bornmuelleri from seed. A part flowers like isauricus, another part like chrysanthus, but many become like the mother.
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Today again brought pots inside for some more pictures, herbariums etc.
At first Crocus alexandrii from Turkey in Europe and
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Now Crocus atrospermus - this corm accidenrtally at collecting was placed between C. crewei found at next stop
An Crocus crewei form named Hot Chocolate
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Crocus chrysanthus is described from Greece (Macedonia). Those are from approximate locus classicus by Brian Mathew
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Crocus chrysanthus from W Turkey - it was regarded as type by G. Maw
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Crocus crewei and
Crocus reticulatus Greece
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And last entry
Crocus kesercioglui and
Crocus chrysanthus from near Akseki
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Wow!!!
Crocus kesercioglui is a superb looking plant!
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Wonderful crocus Janis, especially C. crewei Hot Chocolate and C. kesercioglui.
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For more on C. chrysanthus subsp. kesercioglui and some other chrysanthus subspecies :
http://www.sekj.org/PDF/anb50-free/anb50-423.pdf (http://www.sekj.org/PDF/anb50-free/anb50-423.pdf)
Crocus chrysanthus s. latu in Turkey Feyza Candan & Neriman Özhatay
Annales Botanici Fennici 50(6):423-430. 2013
New taxa in Crocus are described from Turkey:
C. chrysanthus subsp. chrysanthus var. bicoloraceus F. Candan & N. Özhatay var. nov. and C. chrysanthus subsp. chrysanthus var. atroviolaceus F. Candan & N. Özhatay var. nov.; C. chrysanthus subsp. punctatus F. Candan & N. Özhatay subsp. nov., C. chrysanthus subsp. kesercioglui F. Candan & N. Özhatay subsp. nov. and C. chrysanthus subsp. sipyleus F. Candan & N. Özhatay subsp. nov. A new classification of the species is based mainly on the colour of flowers and anthers, type of pollen grains, seed surface ornamentation, and chromosome numbers.
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For more on C. chrysanthus subsp. kesercioglui and some other chrysanthus subspecies :
http://www.sekj.org/PDF/anb50-free/anb50-423.pdf (http://www.sekj.org/PDF/anb50-free/anb50-423.pdf)
Crocus chrysanthus s. latu in Turkey Feyza Candan & Neriman Özhatay
Annales Botanici Fennici 50(6):423-430. 2013
New taxa in Crocus are described from Turkey:
C. chrysanthus subsp. chrysanthus var. bicoloraceus F. Candan & N. Özhatay var. nov. and C. chrysanthus subsp. chrysanthus var. atroviolaceus F. Candan & N. Özhatay var. nov.; C. chrysanthus subsp. punctatus F. Candan & N. Özhatay subsp. nov., C. chrysanthus subsp. kesercioglui F. Candan & N. Özhatay subsp. nov. and C. chrysanthus subsp. sipyleus F. Candan & N. Özhatay subsp. nov. A new classification of the species is based mainly on the colour of flowers and anthers, type of pollen grains, seed surface ornamentation, and chromosome numbers.
Thanks for that reference Maggi. I do find all these new taxa taxing though ::)
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I find them pretty bewildering , Tony - I do try to keep up but I can't say I understand some of the reshuffles.
I do find them all equally captivating though , so that's a comfort!
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Oh this chrysanthus article. Interesting research but absolutely unusable key - impossible to identify any without locality etc., etc... One of leading crocus authorities wrote me "I feel better not commenting this..." and I can agree with him. Useless publication and only one taxa could be accepted. Plants with features used to separate new taxa you can find in almost any population. I agree that there are several subsp. included in C. chrysanthus and kesercioglui is real. But I don't want to follow Balkan botanists - here small fragment about new taxa inside Crocus reticulatus...
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Wonderful crocus Janis, especially C. crewei Hot Chocolate and C. kesercioglui.
Me too! So sweet :)
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Me too! So sweet :)
Hear, hear!!
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Some Crocus in flower here today.
Crocus angustifolius
Crocus tommasinianus 'Roseus'
Crocus x veluchensis 'Rainbow Gold'
Crocus chrysanthus 'Gaudeamus'
Crocus 'Fantasy'
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And a few more:
Crocus antalyensis
Crocus chrysanthus 'Skyline'
and Crocus sieberi 'Tricolor'
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I photographed Crocus crewei my homeland (1 February 2014)
http://dogalhayat.org/property/endemik-guzel-crewei/ (http://dogalhayat.org/property/endemik-guzel-crewei/)
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I photographed Crocus crewei my homeland (1 February 2014)
http://dogalhayat.org/property/endemik-guzel-crewei/ (http://dogalhayat.org/property/endemik-guzel-crewei/)
Nice images of this stunning Crocus!
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Some really stunning crocus posted here
Mine are very ordinary
C tommasinianus Eric smith and C Herbertii which has seeded itself in this spot
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Though not all crocus I like the mix of spring bulbs as the garden begins to come to life
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Lovely views, Ian. I was wondering what is the name of the snowdrop behind the crocuses in your first picture? It is a very nice clump with plump flowers. :)
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Lovely views, Ian. I was wondering what is the name of the snowdrop behind the crocuses in your first picture? It is a very nice clump with plump flowers. :)
It's Augustus Leena a good doer here
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A seedling from Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten'
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A seedling from Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten'
That is a lovely - I like the white zone above the throat.
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A seedling from Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten'
Very beautifull! How you got seeds from Hubert Edelsten? I never got some.
Janis
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It's Augustus Leena a good doer here
Thank you Ian.
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a Crocus sieberi from Parnassus
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Fabulous colour C.sieberi Tony
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Melvyn thank you it is one I am particularly pleased with.
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Melvyn thank you it is one I am particularly pleased with.
A stunning looking Crocus!
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a Crocus sieberi from Parnassus
A super plant, Tony !
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Crocus dalmaticus Petrovac CEH 537
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Inspired by Tony's beautiful C sieberi I went to see if I had any C.sieberi in flower and found one pot in bud. I brought it indoors through heavy rain and photographed it as it was opening up. It is Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi from Omalos Crete.
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Lovely plants. One that is doing well on a humus rich raised bed in our garden (and pictured earlier): Crocus herbertii. This really is stunning with the low sun catching it, and is growing in amongst a suckering plant of Sorbus reducta.
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It is Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi from Omalos Crete.
fabulous flower
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Inspired by Tony's beautiful C sieberi I went to see if I had any C.sieberi in flower and found one pot in bud. I brought it indoors through heavy rain and photographed it as it was opening up. It is Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi from Omalos Crete.
I love that one Melvyn . Sadly I lost mine this autumn ........ :(
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Melvyn very nice one of my favorites.
Kris I will be able to replace yours in May when they die down
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One that is doing well on a humus rich raised bed in our garden (and pictured earlier): Crocus herbertii.
Tim, I believe Crocus herberti is one of the crocuses that would survive our winters. It's on my wish list, yours looks excellent. I'm slowly collecting diffrent crocuses in the garden and observe how they are doing.
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Jacek - I imagine it should do. Our climate is really too mild for many of these plants - viz: that they grow so well for Jānis in Latvia. The hotter and drier summers on the continent must be good for growing many crocuses in the garden but both herbertii and banaticus seem to do well on this bed (the latter self-seeding a little), and from reading Jānis' book it sounds as though they don't want to dry out quite so much, and the former is very hardy.
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I can only dream at all those flowering crocusses ... I think crocusses are not suited to grow where I live. Here are some of my observations. There were crocusses in the garden where I lived when i was a child. When we moved to Passendale I dug up some of the crocusses and planted them over there, but they have all died within a few years. The only ones that survived for a few more years had their bulb really at the surface of the soil. My best guess is that in the first garden it was a well draining sandy soil, whereas in Passendale it is a heavy clay soil and the bulbs may have rotten away in the excessive humidity. And where I live now ... the soil contains even more clay, with at a depth of between 30 cm and 3 meter a think layer of gray clay that is totally waterproof. But ... if anybody has a good suggestion I would appreciate a lot. I don't have the possibility to improve drainage or so or creat raised beds, they really would have to survive in the open. But I do have one spot that is a bit drier because it's next to a ditch and even in winter somewhat on the drier side.
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Under attack....... bitten off an chewed
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sometimes my admiration for wildlife is greatly tested...... >:(
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Who did that Maggi? Could be birds. Maybe blue tits after the nectar? Clearly the dogs are not very good at protecting the flora from the fauna!
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I think it is bird damage - they're from a trough low down under the sitting room window, so remarkably well hidden from detection at the time of attack. Little bandits! Have spoken severely to Small Whites about their lax attention to this problem- they just say they are more concerned with mice and blackbirds ..... what can you do, eh?
Megan on duty by the window this lunchtime
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Inspired by Tony's beautiful C sieberi I went to see if I had any C.sieberi in flower and found one pot in bud. I brought it indoors through heavy rain and photographed it as it was opening up. It is Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi from Omalos Crete.
A gorgeous specimen, Melvyn ! Superb !! :o
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There are some lovely crocuses that many people have grown this year.
Here is C.cvijicii from seed I received from Bill McGregor four years ago.
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Lovely, and one of my favourites, Graeme ( I admit it's a long list of favourites!)
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Some Crocusses in flower here today.
Crocus chrysanthus 'Milea'
Crocus 'Fantasy'
Crocus biflorus subsp. tauri
Crocus dalmaticus 'Petrovac'
Crocus 'Yalta'
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Some lovely forms of Crocus sieberi. I must grow this species and its forms.
The Crocus biflorus subsp. tauri is also very striking. Another one to look out for.
I have this Crocus biflorus? in the garden with paler blue flowers. Can anybody identify it more accurately?
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Looks like Crocus 'Skyline', Cyril - see Thomas Huber's lists of cultivars : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138194#msg138194 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138194#msg138194)
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I'm always amazed at just how much useful information Maggi has at her fingertips!
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The SRGC Forum is probably one of the best Crocus reference sites in English - there have recently been more than a dozen new pages added to the http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/index.php?log=crocus (http://[url=http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/index.php?log=crocus) ]Crocus Pages[/url], for instance and ,as mentioned above, we have Thomas Hubers excellent listings of biflorus/chrysanthus cultivars.
I also recommend Ibrahim Sozen's crocus website (http://crocusmania.blogspot.co.uk/) (and it has more than Crocus) 8)
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The SRGC Forum is probably one of the best Crocus reference sites in English...
I know, which is exactly why my interest is now extending beyond Narcissus and into Crocus! I started out thinking I'd limit myself to autumn blooming species, but some of the spring flowers are real beauties...
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I am besotted with Crocus - the charming differences in shapes- all those wonderful colours and fabulous markings - the scent - the surprises you can get when they open to show some wild styles and jazzy anthers - wonderful plants - if only the mice were not quite so fond of them! :(
We used to have more trouble with birds chomping the flowers but in recent years that has been less of a problem - until those ones I showed earlier today :-X
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I am besotted with Crocus -
You're not alone Maggi !! ;D ;)
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You're not alone Maggi !! ;D ;)
There are a lot of Croconuts on this forum.... :)
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Here are a few crocuses which I found growing in a sheep-grazed pasture below my house.
The first I assume a rather deep coloured C. tommasinianus and the second a C. chrysanthus cultivar or seedling. Does anyone recognize it as a particular cultivar?
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Most likely random seedlings, I think. All lovely.
See Thomas Huber's compilation of cultivar pictures to have a look:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0)
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Here in flower today,
Crocus sieberi atticus 'Mt.Vardousia'
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Most likely random seedlings, I think. All lovely.
See Thomas Huber's compilation of cultivar pictures to have a look:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0)
Thanks Maggi,
I had flicked through Thomas' pictures already but nothing looked quite right. Anyway whatever they are they're a welcome splash of colour in the field - at least until the sheep are let back in :-\
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I was given one corm of Crocus corsicus by a Polish forumist. Normally 1/2 flowers per corm, so this is a special plant.
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A wonderfull Cr.corsicus!
And all blooms from one corm?
Wow!
Greetings-Daniel
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Here in flower today,
Crocus sieberi atticus 'Mt.Vardousia'
Very nice Dirk ! Here C. sieberi 'Tricolor' in the garden .
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I was given one corm of Crocus corsicus by a Polish forumist. Normally 1/2 flowers per corm, so this is a special plant.
Very good performer Arthur !
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Also in the garden : Crocus cjivicii ....
Picture 1 & 2 : In company of Eranthis 'Schwefelglanz ' en C. gargaricus. (left en front )
Picture 3 & 4 : Detail of the flower .........
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Crocus aerius .
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Looks like Crocus 'Skyline', Cyril - see Thomas Huber's lists of cultivars : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138194#msg138194 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138194#msg138194)
Thanks Maggi. It is an exact match. I did get C. 'Skyline' some years ago but have moved bulbs around and the label has got lost.
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Kris, I like the forms of Crocus aerius with striped flowers. My three plants all have uniform coloured flowers, although one is a deeper colour.
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I was given one corm of Crocus corsicus by a Polish forumist. Normally 1/2 flowers per corm, so this is a special plant.
Crocus corsicus has just made it onto my wishlist! Just beautiful.
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Some more crocus in flower:
Crocus abantensis 'Azcaban's Escapee'
Crocus korolkowii 'Apricot'
Crocus vernus which appeared (out of nowhere) at the side of the house a few years ago.
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So you got the position of head gardener at Hogwarts Cyril! ;D
Some very nice Crocus!!!
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Witchcraft and Wizardry indeed. Many plants just appear in my garden and in the plunge; or maybe my memory is just failing and I forget I ever bought them! ;)
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Some more crocus in flower:
Crocus abantensis 'Azcaban's Escapee'
Crocus korolkowii 'Apricot'
Crocus vernus which appeared (out of nowhere) at the side of the house a few years ago.
Very nice selection Cyril , that korolkowii 'Apricot ' has a very nice colour.
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Kris, I like the forms of Crocus aerius with striped flowers. My three plants all have uniform coloured flowers, although one is a deeper colour.
Me to Cyril , it's Janis selection of C. aerius .
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Crocus corsicus has just made it onto my wishlist! Just beautiful.
Good luck Matt! Most of those in the trade appear to be hybrids. I don't know who sells the real thing.
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Oh :( Thanks for the cautionary advice Gerry. Do you know of any bona fide sources? Maybe I'll get lucky through the Crocus Group SeedEx.
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Or perhaps a holiday to Corsica would be easier?!
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Cr. Cvijicii and corsicus are at my wishlist too. daniel
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I have this Crocus biflorus? in the garden with paler blue flowers. Can anybody identify it more accurately?
Impossible to identify correct species name. More looks as cultivar.
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Impossible to identify correct species name. More looks as cultivar.
Janis, Maggi has identified it as Crocus 'Skyline' which is an exact match. See quote below.
Looks like Crocus 'Skyline', Cyril - see Thomas Huber's lists of cultivars : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138194#msg138194 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138194#msg138194)
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Me to Cyril , it's Janis selection of C. aerius .
Thanks Kris, I will ask Janis about this particular selection of C. aerius.
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Some more in flower today
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor
Crocus cvicii
Crocus cvicii sown in June 2010 seed from those in the first picture
Crocus sieberi
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a couple more
Crocus vernus from Mt Amita in Italy
Crocus scardicus my oroginal plant received from Pilous in 1996
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Some more in flower today
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor
Crocus cvicii
Crocus cvicii sown in June 2010 seed from those in the first picture
Crocus sieberi
Fine specimens Tony, and nicely photographed. I particularly like the rich blue of Crocus biflorus ssp. pulchricolor.
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Some more in flower today
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor
Crocus cvicii
Crocus cvicii sown in June 2010 seed from those in the first picture
Crocus sieberi
The depth of colour in that biflorus pulchricolor! I wonder if anyone has ever tried hybridising with pulchricolor?
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Martin
the colour is true.There are lots of natural hybrids with Crocus chrysanthus on Ulu Dag several of which I have shown previously.They are very variable in colour.
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Some more in flower today
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor
A real stunner, Tony !! Amazing blue !
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These are all wonderful Crocus Tony!
As others have said the biflorus pulchricolor is stunning.
Whatever happened to Vlastimil Pilous?
Is he still active?
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Yes he is still active and recently produced an excellent seed list.
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here's his last list
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Nice flowers, Tony.
Here some Crocus today in my garden:
Crocus nubigena
'' sieheanus
'' sieberi sublimis 'Creme Diamond'
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Yes he is still active and recently produced an excellent seed list.
Thanks Tony.
Do you have his contact details?
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Steve, see Yann's post , three above..... reply 160
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Steve, see Yann's post , three above..... reply 160
here's his last list
Many thanks Yann & Maggi ! ;)
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Martin
the colour is true.There are lots of natural hybrids with Crocus chrysanthus on Ulu Dag several of which I have shown previously.They are very variable in colour.
Yes, I remember you showing pics of wild chrysanthus x biflorus hybrids. Didn't remember that any of them involved pulchricolor. Must search for them and have another look. I was thinking of deliberate hybridisation in cultivation. To get that deep, deep blue into some strong garden hybrids would really be something - maybe crossed with some of the blue chrysanthus x biflorus garden hybrids that set seed. Must check back with Thomas Huber's chrysanthus hybrid pages to remind myself which blues are fertile.
Just checked and, as I thought I remembered, 'Zenith' is fertile. 'Zenith' x pulchricolor might produce something rather nice.
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Crocuses outdoors and in my alpine house:
-Crocus chrysanthus 'Uschak Orange'
-Crocus imperati ssp. imperati 'De Jager’
-Crocus danfordiae
-Crocus gargaricus
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Crocus sieberi ssp.sieberi from Omalos, Crete.
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Schöne Bilder ebbie, besonders natürlich der sieberi.
Here some flowers today,
Crocus bornmuelleri
'' napolitanus
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A couple from the garden today :
C. heuffelianus "Shockwave"
Crocus vernus "Haarlem Gem"
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Yesterday for the first time in this dark winter shined sun and crocus flowers opened in greenhouse without bringing pots inside. Temperature in greenhouse raised up to +14. Here few pictures - all plants are wild hybrids between biflorus sensu lato (may be C. mawii) and some of chrysanthus.
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On first picture my greenhouse yesterday.
One of new recently described species is Crocus minutus. It is close to danfordiae and easy separable by white stigma. Really it was grown in several collections but no one noted this feature up to it stopped sharp eyes of Helmut Kerndorff and Erich Pasche. DNA confirmed that it really is different species. My collections of it extends area for one more mountain ridge to East. It was described as species with blue flowers. Later we found that in Gothenburg BG is grown another colour form - blue-white striped flowers. Such were unknown before even between danfordiae. Two years ago I collected three corms supposing that it is C. biflorus in locality close to locus classicus of minutus. This spring they bloomed. One was biflorus, another two white minutus.
During the same trip on another spot I collected a pair of corms of another crocus which looked as danfordiae. It was small spot on pass where snow melted and there were few crocus buds coming out and a pair were collected. Now they bloom for the first time with very unusual for Crocus danfordiae colour.
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A couple from the garden today :
C. heuffelianus "Shockwave"
Crocus vernus "Haarlem Gem"
Both are beauties!!!!!!!!!!
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Hello.
Nice plants do you have, Eberhard!
Especially your sieberi!
My first shots:
Cr.tommasianus `Roseus`(growing much better in the lawn than in the pot and many weeks earlier than last year)
(http://666kb.com/i/cm5a2zexpkvdad5wb.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/cm5a3ii9k7ap3x7vf.jpg)
Kind regards- Daniel
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Wow Janis! The colouring on IMG_6286.JPG ! 8)
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It's fantastic, makes me want to get my paints out!
This is a fun pot of seedlings from Crocus 'National Park'.
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That's a nice variety mixture there Anne. You must have had some sun recently, they look like good strong plants too.
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What a great show , lovely to see them al ! Especially love that sieberi from Eberhard but this has a reason ...we did see that one in Crete in the white mountains or Lefka Ori.
Here some flowers in the garden .
First C. atticus ssp. sublimis 'Tricolor'
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Crocus cvijicii is stil going outside and makes a second flower .
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First time flowering here is Crocus scepusiensis ssp. leucostigma. (is this the valid name now ?)
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Crocus heuffelianus 'Carpathian Wonder ' , a great discovery from Janis many years ago ...
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Under glas we have Crocus minimus (from Col de Bavella )
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And again outside : Crocus heuffelianus 'Snow Princess '
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The captivating crocus cavalcade continues!!! ;)
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Kris
really lovely to see,beautiful plants
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Thanks Tony and Steve . I especially like this time of the year .... ;)
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Nice pictures, Kris.
Here today in flower:
Crocus angustifolius 'Bronze'
'' heuffelianus 'Snow Princess'
'' kosaninii
'' sublimis
'' veluchensis x cvijicii 'Rainbow Gold'
All this Crocus in my list this year, appear in few days.
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Nice pictures, Kris.
'' sublimis
Thanks Dirk , it is the same with your entry !
Some of the sublimis have very nice markings on the outside , are they also on your list ;)
Must admit , looking forward for your list !
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Witchcraft and Wizardry indeed. Many plants just appear in my garden and in the plunge; or maybe my memory is just failing and I forget I ever bought them! ;)
Panayoti Kelaidis blogs again about Cyril's magic garden: http://www.botanicgardens.org/blog/europe-height-spring (http://www.botanicgardens.org/blog/europe-height-spring) ( He's done it before : http://prairiebreak.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/glimpses-of-masters-garden-cyril-lafong.html (http://prairiebreak.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/glimpses-of-masters-garden-cyril-lafong.html) )
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Panayoti Kelaidis blogs again about Cyril's magic garden :http://www.botanicgardens.org/blog/europe-height-spring ( He's done it before : http://prairiebreak.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/glimpses-of-masters-garden-cyril-lafong.html (http://prairiebreak.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/glimpses-of-masters-garden-cyril-lafong.html) )
Many thanks for the link Maggi , I really enjoyed it ! :-*
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First flowering of a couple of Crocus seedlings. Seed parent may be Crocus 'Cream Beauty. I often find seeds without a name when I am tidying up in the greenhouse :-X They are a bit small but may be bigger next year.
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Panayoti Kelaidis blogs again about Cyril's magic garden :http://www.botanicgardens.org/blog/europe-height-spring ( He's done it before : http://prairiebreak.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/glimpses-of-masters-garden-cyril-lafong.html (http://prairiebreak.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/glimpses-of-masters-garden-cyril-lafong.html) )
Maggi, thanks for the link for this new blog from PK.
First flowering of a couple of Crocus seedlings. Seed parent may be Crocus 'Cream Beauty. I often find seeds without a name when I am tidying up in the greenhouse :-X They are a bit small but may be bigger next year.
Roma, these crocus seedlings are always a bit of a surprise.
Crocus are flowering fast and furious now, here are a few:
Crocus x leonidii 'Ego'
Crocus 'Snow Crystal'
Crocus olivieri
Crocus ancyrensis Brown
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Wow, I had no idea there are so many kinds and types and colors.
I'm a total beginner. And so far, only got a couple "commercial" types.
I kinda cheated last fall and planted a whole bag of bulbs in a pot.
Here it is!
The ones in the garden are just starting to bud out.
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This 'commercial' type makes a very nice show in a pot. They look not unlike C. 'Snow Crystal' from Janis Ruksans who considers it one of his favourite crocus.
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The sun has finally opened the flowers on Crocus heuffelianus 'Carpathian Wonder'.
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Nice pictures, Kris.
Here today in flower:
Crocus angustifolius 'Bronze'
'' heuffelianus 'Snow Princess'
'' kosaninii
'' sublimis
'' veluchensis x cvijicii 'Rainbow Gold'
All this Crocus in my list this year, appear in few days.
Can't wait, Dirk! :)
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Thank you Cyril, it does look like Snow Crystal. I wonder whether I still have the label to check.
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This 'commercial' type makes a very nice show in a pot.
It seems to me that, whatever the packets say, most of the white 'commercial' type Crocus turn out to be C. 'Ard Schenk'. (This might be similar to Ian's theory that if you grow Frits in pots they all become F. acmopetala?)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138208#msg138208 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138208#msg138208)
That's not to disparage what is a very attractive plant. It also grows very well outside here on the Western Isles, so it's certainly got something to recommend it!
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The sun has finally opened the flowers on Crocus heuffelianus 'Carpathian Wonder'.
Goodness me Cyril - what a cracking potful ! :o :o :o
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Goodness me Cyril - what a cracking potful ! :o :o :o
Stunning selection and superbly grown!!!
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Cyril
that is a beautiful display.I have never seen it in the flesh but it looks a wonderful plant
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Stunning selection and superbly grown!!!
I agree with that , wonderful 'Carpathian Wonder ' Cyril .........
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It seems to me that, whatever the packets say, most of the white 'commercial' type Crocus turn out to be C. 'Ard Schenk'.
I know it's not February any more but related to this thread, a friend has just sent me pictures of his Crocus 'Ladykiller', asking my opinion...and guess what...they're 'Ard Schenk'!