Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: fermi de Sousa on January 27, 2014, 11:17:36 PM
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These haven't been the first for the year, but on Friday we had 7 mm of rain following 5 days of 40oC + heat and on Sunday these were up; first the ubiquitous Habranthus tubispathus x2,
Habranthus tubispathus "Salmon pink form" x2
Zephyranthes primulina
cheers
fermi
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10mm of rain last week brought out another flush of flowers:
Zephyranthes primulina x3
Habranthus robustus - seedlings of 'Russell Manning' x2
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fermi
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A bit more rain and we have a lot more rain-lilies!
Habranthus tubispathus
H. t."Salmon pink form"
Habranthus martinezii
Zephyranthes minima
Zephyranthes 'Grandjax'
cheers
fermi
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These came as Zephyranthes atamasco, but I think they are Z. treatiae. These do very well in the greenhouse in winter and on the patio in summer. That sounds more like treatiae than like atamasco.
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Now I have to get the real atamasco for my collection.
Jim
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This is the first flower for the season for what I think is Zephyranthes drummondii
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fermi
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The first seedling to flower on my cross of Zephyranthes 'Ajax' x 'Grandjax' but it looks like a throw-back to grandparent Z. candida!
6 others yet to flower!
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fermi
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Zephyranthes candida is actually looking quite good elsewhere in the garden in full sun,
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fermi
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The first seedling to flower on my cross of Zephyranthes 'Ajax' x 'Grandjax' but it looks like a throw-back to grandparent Z. candida!
6 others yet to flower!
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fermi
Just the faintest pink blush on the outers - very pretty.
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Just the faintest pink blush on the outers - very pretty.
I might try to cross it with Z. primulina if there's one in bloom tomorrow,
cheers
fermi
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No Z.primulina in flower today, so I used pollen from 'Grandjax' on the new hybrid :-\
This is a seedling from 'Bangkok Yellow' which is apparently the same cross which produced 'Ajax'.
I also crossed it with 'Grandjax' so will be interested to see if it produces a similar result!
cheers
fermi
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This opened this morning and it appears that all the pollen was gone even by 8 am!
I think it's Zephyranthes fosteri,
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fermi
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Zephyranthes simpsonii is now blooming in the greenhouse. It comes from the same areas as Z. atamasco and Z. treatiae. It differs in chromosomes (48 vs. 24 for atamasco/treatiae) but the best way to eyeball the differences is that simpsonii has the stigma level with the anthers, or no more than about 2 mm above them, while atamasco and treatiae have the stigma usually 10-15 mm above the anthers. In simpsonii, the flower buds are red before they open; in atamasco/treatiae, the flower buds are at most pale pinkish before they open.
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Both pictures show simpsonii. I posted pictures of treatiae awhile back. M y lone pot of atamasco has not yet bloomed for me.
Jim
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Zephyranthes 'Ajax' a hybrid between Z. candida and Z. citrina,
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fermi
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Still in bloom in the greenhouse is Zephyranthes grandiflora ( = carinata)
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Rhodophiala montana from Telos Rare Bulbs bloomed a couple weeks ago in the greenhouse:
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Habranthus tubispathus (a.k.a. "texanus") is starting to bloom as well:
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For every pot with one Clivia plant that I throw out, I can put in a pot with a dozen or two rainlily bulbs.
Jim
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Habranthus tubispathus from the greenhouse today. These from seed kindly sent to me by Fermi in 2009 and sown May 2009. They flowered last year too.
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Good to see, David, glad that it is flowering regularly for you..
At least you knew that was what you were sowing! Too often this one turns up in place of other rarer rain-lilies in the exchanges (even from some of the Botanic Gardens!).
It grows outdoors here - too easily! I try to collect all the seed or dead-head it as it suits our climate too well and could become a weed. I still grow it because it can be so dramatic when it erupts out of the ground after a summer rain,
cheers
fermi
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I have H. tubispathus in the greenhouse, too, since it isn't hardy here. I have gotten it as seed labeled all sorts of things, even Rhodophiala. I need to rigorously deadhead to avoid having it growing everywhere in the greenhouse. I did collect a ton of seeds for this one, if anyone wants a start.
I had a not-so-good surprise this past week. What I have been growing for 35 years as Zephyranthes longifolia finally bloomed, in the greenhouse, with nice flowers. And they turned out to look exactly like Z. pulchella. So now I have (another pot) of pulchella and no longifolia. I am pretty sad about that one!
Blooming now are Z. jonesii, Z. smallii (I am now wondering about the distinction between those two), and Z. grandiflora. Seed pods are developing on H. magnoi and H. martinezii, as well as on Z. mesochloa. H. magnoi is the very devil to get to germinate. Ina Crossley (in New Zealand) thinks the seeds of magnoi may need fluctuating temperatures to germinate.
Jim
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Jim,
Thanks for all the seed! They are all coming up nice. 8)
Thanks for the tip on Habranthus tubispathus. Sounds like it could become weedy here too.
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Currently blooming in the greenhouse: Zephyranthes citrina, Habranthus martinezii, and Z. grandiflora
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Zephyranthes citrinia
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Habranthus martinezii
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Zephyranthes grandiflora
Should still be more coming.
Jim
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When I was in North Florida I've seen these growing on the roadside - would they be Zephyranthes atamasco?
I've had a number of Zephyranthes for many years - do they need a combination of dry then wet and heat to flower?
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After having a number for years and never a flower - I got a flower. Just to go against the general trend this one was labelled Habranthus tubispathus..but that is a mix up here.
I think, but am not sure that many years ago I bought Z. grandjax and possibly sowed seed of grandiflora. Having looked at the pics here and on the net that this one looks more like Z. grandiflora - maybe Jim or Fermi could confirm? Either way it's a lovely thing.
Looking on the net I think I've identified an unlabelled pot where the leaves look like Habranthus tubispathus so hapefully it's just a case of wrong label.
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After having a number for years and never a flower - I got a flower. Just to go against the general trend this one was labelled Habranthus tubispathus..but that is a mix up here.
I think, but am not sure that many years ago I bought Z. grandjax and possibly sowed seed of grandiflora. Having looked at the pics here and on the net that this one looks more like Z. grandiflora - maybe Jim or Fermi could confirm? Either way it's a lovely thing.
Looking on the net I think I've identified an unlabelled pot where the leaves look like Habranthus tubispathus so hapefully it's just a case of wrong label.
The picture is definitely not Habranthus tubispathus, which manages to get into lots of seed distributions under a wide variety of names. The flower pictures really looks like Zephyranthes grandiflora, but that "species" does not set seed. It could be a related hybrid, but if it isn't a pure species, guessing its name is not an exact art.
Does this help any?
I have seeds of H. tubispathus (the "texanus" form from Texas), Zephyranthes macrosiphon, Z. jonesii, and various other rain lily species from time to time. I haven't sent any to the PBS BX recently.
Maggi, would SRGC want some rain lily seeds to distribute? They need to be at least somewhat fresh....
Jim
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Jim, thanks for the reply.
I didn't know Z. grandiflora doesn't set seed - there is an another likely explanation which has just come to mind - many years ago I bought two Zephyranthes - one was Grandjax and the other was supposed to be a yellow one. I seem to recall the yellow one did flower and it was pink. So maybe it's that mislabelled plant.
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Maggi, would SRGC want some rain lily seeds to distribute? They need to be at least somewhat fresh....
Jim
Thank you , Jim - seeds sent to the SRGC Seed exchange will not be distributed until the new year - so it may be that the viability would not be perfect but on the other hand some chance for folks is better than none..... ;)
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Maggi,
In that case, the more seeds included per packet in the distribution, the more chance one or two of them will germinate. I'll try to keep my surplus in good condition until later this year. Is there a link or an address for contributing seeds to SRGC?
Jim
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Details here, Jim : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12130.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12130.0)
Main point you need is : Autumn 2014 Seed Donations
Please send seed donations, individually packaged per variety, preferably in a
paper envelope, and cleaned of all seed cases, debris, insects, etc to:-
Prof. Stuart Pawley, Acres of Keillour, Methven, Perth, Scotland, UK, PH1 3RA.
Please include your name and address and a clearly written alphabetical list
of the seed you are sending. Please don’t be put off if you only have a small
amount of seed of a species, or only a few species to send - it may be the small
amount of seed that no-one else has, and that someone would love to have.
The deadline for seed to arrive at Stuart’s door is 31st October 2014.
If you have “late maturing” seed that cannot be sent until later, please send the
information about this as early as possible and before 31st October, to Stuart at
gsp.srgc@btinternet.com.
Send the list in the text of an e-mail, not as an attachment. Stuart can’t afford a computer virus at this critical time. It is important to send the information early so we can produce the seed list in good time. Please send late seed as soon as you can.
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Anyone growing Rhodophiala bifida outside in the UK? I have had it in a sheltered alpine house taking some frost, particularly the leaves, but not tried it outside. It usually flowers more or less the same time as Amaryllis belladonna does in the garden here, but don't know how much wet or cold it might take.
Mine came from Cotswold Garden Flowers, but another I have labelled as Rhodophiala ex Harry Hay seems similar, but flowers a bit later normally.
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Brian - There was an article on Harry Hay in The Garden about a year before he died. I think he referred to it as a Lycoris. He also grew and flowered (!) a fertile L. radiata down in Tadworth. I always meant to write and asked just how he accomplished that miracle of miracles.
johnw
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In the second round of the 2011-12 NARGS seed ex, I said "what the heck" and ordered these seeds:
Zephyranthes citrina
Zephyranthes drommondii
Zephyranthes minima
Zephyranthes primulina
Zephyranthes rosea
Zephyranthes Sunset strain
So the seed was produced some time in 2011, and I planted them 21 May 2012. All pots had sprouts by 6 June, except Z. Sunset strain. I was as surprised as you all probably are. Of course, no verification of species is possible, and I accidentally let them freeze over the following winter. :(
The next year I tried again with these:
Zephyranthes forsterii
Zephyranthes primulina
Zephyranthes reginae
Zephyranthes rosea
Only Zz. fosterii and reginae sprouted. But in my opinion, it's certainly worth trying.
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Very good to hear that positive experience, Rick- thanks :)
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Brian - There was an article on Harry Hay in The Garden about a year before he died. I think he referred to it as a Lycoris. He also grew and flowered (!) a fertile L. radiata down in Tadworth. I always meant to write and asked just how he accomplished that miracle of miracles.
johnw
John,
There is a fertile, diploid subspecies of Lycrois radiata, ssp. pumila, although Kew insists it is just Lycoris radiata.
Jim
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John,
There is a fertile, diploid subspecies of Lycrois radiata, ssp. pumila, although Kew insists it is just Lycoris radiata.
Jim
Jim - So is ssp. pumila the one growing along ditches in Japan and a native there? I just wonder how the infertile one could exist in the wild unless planted by folks there. Does anyone know the history of the infertile one?
johnw
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Habranthus estensis from seed kindly sent to me by Paul Tyreman, sown May 2008
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My David that is a fine-looking Habrathus species.
johnw
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Thank you John. I really need to sort myself out with the few Habranthus I grow though. I never really know when I should let them go dormant and when I should start watering them. These were in a pot in the greenhouse that got pushed to the back of a shelf, probably last year around this time, and forgotten about. I found them about a fortnight ago and gave them a good drench and this is the result.
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Zephyranthes atamasco, collected in Wade county, North Carolina, so definitely NOT Zephyranthes treatiae which is only found in Florida. This is the first bloom for me, and seems off season. It is either awfully late or very early....?
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The flower looks to be about 10 cm across the face, but I should actually measure it tomorrow when the sun comes out again.
Jim
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Very impressive. Tried seed labelled as this but never got anything as good as that.
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Although I have been taking credit for this beautiful, big rainlily, I can't actually do so. Dr. Hoffmann at North Carolina State University, Raleigh, NC, sent me the mature bulbs in June, and this is the result. That flower measures 11 cm across the face, making it larger than Zephyranthes guatemalensis, which is otherwise the largest white rainlily flower I know of, at 10 cm diameter. I'm waiting for another bulb from that same group to bloom, so we can see if they are all this big.
It remains to be seen whether I can keep it this healthy in future years. Some say Z. atamsco is harder to grow in pots than Z. treatiae and Z. simpsonii, which are the three native white rain lily species in the Southeastern U.S.
Jim
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This rain-lily is unlabelled, perhaps Zephyranthes drummondii - didn't realise we had so many thrip till I saw them on the flower on the computer screen!
cheers
fermi
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This rain-lily is unlabelled, perhaps Zephyranthes drummondii - didn't realise we had so many thrip till I saw them on the flower on the computer screen!
cheers
fermi
It's when they are in the computer screen that you have to worry.
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They do get everywhere, Mark! :o
Here's a patch of Habranthus robustus (ex 'Russell Manning') six days after an inch of rain fell on the garden - and it's raining again tonight!
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fermi
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well it's raining here but only the slugs and snails come up. ;D
Very nice as always Fermi, I have some seedlings of various rainlilies and your postings are encouraging me to see if I can get some more.
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This thread started with pics in January including Zephranthes primulina and here it is again!
cheers
fermi