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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: karel_t on January 17, 2014, 04:36:30 PM
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Yesterday I deflasked several of my seedlings. I was very surprised with my remake of Pleione Lucey, because many of bulblets made stolons like this. I've never seen that before :o
K.
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Hi Karel,
that's an interesting find. I only knew that hookeriana made stolons. Just out of interest: When did you sow those plants and how big are they now?
Happy new year everyone!
Daniel
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Presumably it is the humilis parentage which makes Lucey form stolons. I use mini aquatic baskets for some of my pleione and every now and then a humilis shoot comes out of the mesh at the side well away from the mother bulb due to the stolon.
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After cleaning... My Pln. formosana starts to grow...
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Carefully does it Michal. If I ever tried to take such a photo of any of my Pleione then I'm sure it would be the exact moment that one of my cats would leap on the table and leave me with nothing but Pleione Mixed. ;D ;D
I already have a pot labelled "Pleione Peterborough" as the only thing I know about those bulbs is that someone with a Peterborough postmark sent me them, no idea who. Hopefully when they flower I will have more idea. Still I can think of worse things to get in the post.
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Carefully does it Michal. If I ever tried to take such a photo of any of my Pleione then I'm sure it would be the exact moment that one of my cats would leap on the table and leave me with nothing but Pleione Mixed. ;D ;D
I already have a pot labelled "Pleione Peterborough" as the only thing I know about those bulbs is that someone with a Peterborough postmark sent me them, no idea who. Hopefully when they flower I will have more idea. Still I can think of worse things to get in the post.
I don't have a cat, I only have yorkshire-terrier who doesn't know jump up on table :D
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I don't have a cat, I only have yorkshire-terrier who doesn't know jump up on table :D
My Mother in Law's Yorkshire Terrier knew EXACTLY how to jump on a table - especially one with food! :-X :P
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Thanks for starting Pleione 2014 Karel, and a happy New Year to all.
Again this year, Pleione spring flowering hybrids starts with Pleione Sirena
Regards Erling
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That's a beautifully shaped clone of Sirena you have, Erling. Reminds me to get my humilis and forrestii out of the fridge soon.
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Yesterday I deflasked several of my seedlings. I was very surprised with my remake of Pleione Lucey, because many of bulblets made stolons like this. I've never seen that before :o
K.
Photo showing Pleione humilis and stolon from last year. Thought at the time of taking the picture the subject would pop up sooner or later.
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Hello all ;)
Today I checked some of my pleione bulbs that i keep in the fridge. I noticed that some of them are getting shriveled. they are P. formosana that i am growing for a few years and that never happened before. what could be the cause of that? I also noticed some brown spots on my P limprichtii. I have to say it does not look good :S
The temperature in the fridge is about 5°C. Any advice is very welcome
Ps. Very nice P. Sirena Erling ;)
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Hello gregork
I also keep pleione bulbs in the fridge when they are dormant. But you must be aware, that humidity in the fridge is very low. One or two times during the stay i give all the bulbs a little mist of rainwater. That keep them fresh. About the brown spots, maybe you could post a picture.
Regards Erling
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I will check the humidity in the fridge. I never thought the misting would be needed. I will take some photos tomorrow and post them here. So that you will know what i am talking about. thanks ;)
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Hi Gregork,
I had a problem with shriveling bulbs one year and realised I had rushed them into dormancy by removing the leaves too soon. They hadn't fully yellowed and dropped off on their own but I thought it would be ok to cut them off. I don't know why this caused the problem but I am sure it was the reason. Is it possible you did the same with your formosana?
Graham
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Hmm i was thinking the same thing Graham. Most of the leaves did fell off, but i remember cutting one of them for sure. It just didn't want to fell off. If i remember well they must have been in the fridge at least for 2-3 months now. Maybe i have put them in there too soon?
I checked the humidity inside and it says 63%... this seems ok. so the problem must be somewhere else.
One thing is.. i didn't dipe them in neem oil or anything else.
I will post some pictures tomorrow.
Thanks for the comment Graham!
Regards
Gregor
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Hi Gregor,
Does your fridge have a fan (inside the fridge) and was it quite full?
In fan-less fridges -especially when fully loaded, the air does not circulate properly and so some parts of the fridge can become much colder giving rise to freezing spots. This can damage and in extreme cases kill Pleione pseudo-bulbs.
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So i am posting some pictures for you to see what i am talking about
the first two pictures are P.limprichtii with the brown spots, the second one is P. humilis. if you can see, the top of the bulb is turning brown, and the last one P.formosana- bulbs shriveing and also some browns spots on the smalles one
Steve i am not sure this is the problem. I keep my thermometer inside my fridge all the time. the temp are between 5 and 8, but most of the time arround 6°C. Although i keep my bulbs wraped in paper and i put them in carton box so there cant be much air circulation arround the bulbs. I keep them on the lowest shelve ( where there is normaly a place for fruit and vegetables).
Best regards
Gregor
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I'd put the shriveling bulbs into plastic bags with slightly moist Sphagnum. I store most of my bulbs in zip bags (without moss), but it's important to let the bulbs dry off well before storage and to leave the bags open if you put more than a few bulbils inside.
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Hello gregork
These bulbs does not look good. I would dispose of them. Maybe you could have a look at the thread from pleione 2013, 16. January. It seems to be the same problem discussed there. Only there is no conclusion to what went wrong. Sorry
Regards Erling
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I am afraid I will realy have to dispoze them. Sory Erling, cant find the thread you are talking about.
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I think Erling might have been referring to this thread :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9989.msg263989#msg263989 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9989.msg263989#msg263989) Pleione overwintering problem
On a related problem - that of virus : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1186.msg34756#msg34756 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1186.msg34756#msg34756) this may be of interest too.
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Yes. i just found the thread. i had to search a little more :) thanks Maggi ;)
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My new little travelers...
I bought them through eBay.de in December and Deutsche Post sent them from Germany to Slovakia via New Zealand ???
They arrived today, one month in box... Mother Nature is great - they are healthy ;D
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My new little travelers...
I bought them through eBay.de in December and Deutsche Post sent them from Germany to Slovakia via New Zealand ???
They arrived today, one month in box... Mother Nature is great - they are healthy ;D
Via New Zealand ? Good grief! It must be a miracle they are still alive after all this time.
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Via New Zealand ? Good grief! It must be a miracle they are still alive after all this time.
Maggi, yes, via New Zealand
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Hello all
I got an quite upsetting mail today about the pictures of my pleione on facebook, stating some of my pleiones might be affected by virus. Of course I separated the ones that have been stated from the rets of my stock, and I will follow them careful this spring.
The problem I want to raise, is that I have bought it from the the most well-known nurseries around. If I have got the virus, quite a few must have got it as well. What do we as pleione growers do about this??? The only cure is disposal...... Can we expect all growers to do that????
My second problem is, that I do not have access to a lab, that can check all my plants??
I read on a tread here at the forum, that you can not only detect the vira by look. Some that look affected are not, other that do not look affected are affected??? This is really frustrating.
I am looking forward to a debate on this forum with all the wise and famous people discussing the problem.
Kind regards
A very frustrated pleione grower
Erling
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hello Erling,
I wonder, whether the person who wrote you is a "real Pleione specialist"
it would be interesting to see those pics (again) here in this thread.
be cautious, but dont worry, until the "problem" is clear and stated............
BUT hopefully just false warning...........................
cheers
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hello Goofy
I do not doubt the expertise of the one writing the mail. I am just wondering how big a problem this is. Pleione circles are not that very big, so plants must have circulated fore quite some time. It has been known for some time that especially some Pleione Zeus Weinstein have colour changes, but I thought it was a somehow limited problem.
About my own plants, I had them placed in a small south facing room last spring. This meant that temperature was very fluctuative, and that resulted in some plants aborted the flower. Those who flowered, looked a little strange. It is mainly those, I was warned about might show signs of virus. I hope that the shifting temperature last year has something to do with the problem????
This year I have made my self a new shed, where I can store the plants in winter and early spring. Here I can keep the temperature between 5-8 degrees Celsius. Right now a lot of plants are starting to flower, so this will be extra interesting this year >:( >:( :) ??? ??? :'( :'(
So far I do not worry to much, wouldn't help anyway. If it is virus, they will burn :'( :'( :'(
Regards Erling
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How are these pleione viruses transmitted, aphids presumably? I only ask because I wonder just how serious the issue is. Suppose some of my plants have viruses, but the effect is minimal, colour breaks in flowers etc, then providing I do not sell them to anyone else, does it really matter? Now if they are going to be easily transmitted and cause death and weakness in the bulbs that is a different matter altogether!
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Sadly, there are few sources for Pleione bulbs here in Canada (I know of only one- Fraser Thimble Nursery in BC). You may want to read this post about possible virus:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1525.15 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1525.15)
I would look out for mites, aphids scale, and mealybugs as potential spreaders of virus. Of course, humans manage to do it ourselves by being careless with garden tools (scissors, knives, secateurs). Hopefully your bulbs aren't a loss!
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Hello Gordon
Thank you for the link. This link and many more have been read the last few hours. I treat my bulbs every year against mites etc. Also I use new compost material every year. I still think it is the fluctuating temperature last spring, that is the main reason of the problem. But should it be virus, it is not more than 20-30 bulbs that need to be disposed. I will survive that, though it is frustrating.
Regards Erling
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Erling, what makes you think your pleiones have virus? can you post a picture for us to see the symptoms?
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Hello Maren
Yesterday I got a mail from another grower of pleione. He had been looking trough the pictures on my page on facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/PleioneWorld (https://www.facebook.com/PleioneWorld)
He wrote that he suspected some of my plants were infected with virus. If you have a look a the pictures on the page he suspect the following plants:
Pln grandiflora 'yellow lib', pln Eiger, pln Shantung 'Silver Anniversary' , pln Snow Monkey, pln. Kilauea 'Hoopoo', pln Zeus Weinstein and pln. Alishan ' Merlin'.
About Pln. zeus Weinstein it might be true, since it has been discussed fore some time. I have isolated them and already bought new once from two different nurseries.
The rest I still think it is due to temperature problems last spring. But I will wait and see. When these clones are flowering I will post 'before an after pictures'.
Regards Erling
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Like you I suspect temperature problems may have caused some of the problems with your flowers. I do wonder if you are forcing them with too much heat. They do seem to be very early flowering. I am not sure where you are but last spring in the u.k. and I believe much of Europe was very cold. Even at the end of March I had very little moving, my flowers finished well into June.
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Hi Erling,
I wouldn't be so hasty about virus. Some of your plants look as if they went through a very dry period and maybe sudden increase in heat when the petals developed, therefore they are creased and a little deformed at times. I put this down to environmental conditions i.e. what you do to them, not what they are.
By the way, grandiflora 'yellow lip' has a 'p' at the end. ;)
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Hi Maren and Steve
Thank you for your analysis. I am glad that you agree on heat problem. This year my spring growing condition has improved very much. So lets see what happens to the clones suspected.
I have not tried to force my plants by increasing heat, this was just the condition I had earlier on. This year I can keep temperature around 6-8 C, hope that this will do the trick. At least, the near future will show whether temperature had anything to do with it.
And Maren, I will correct the name. As you know, English is not my mother tongue. :)
Regards Erling
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Hi Maren and Steve
Thank you for your analysis. I am glad that you agree on heat problem. This year my spring growing condition has improved very much. So lets see what happens to the clones suspected.
I have not tried to force my plants by increasing heat, this was just the condition I had earlier on. This year I can keep temperature around 6-8 C, hope that this will do the trick. At least, the near future will show whether temperature had anything to do with it.
And Maren, I will correct the name. As you know, English is not my mother tongue. :)
Regards Erling
I have more or less the same conditions as you do, Erling. I grow my Pleiones in a unheated but frostfree veranda where temperatures tend to fluctuate strongly depending on the weather. As soon as the sun shines, temperature rises easilly to 20° C or more even when it's fairly cold outside. Without sunshine temperatures remain low in wintertime and early spring. When we get a sunny and warm period in the early stages of the growing season I have also experienced buds develloping to quickly with colour streaks as a result or the occacional bud aborting...
I agree with what has been said by others, I wouldn't be too worried about virus at the moment and await flowering conditions in the coming weeks and months... Fingers crossed !
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Some Pleione hybrids do seem to suffer more than others. Pleione Eiger does not like temperature change and often has streaks if it comes in to flower too soon but is fine the following year assuming the temperature is favourable. It's as if the pigmentation gets bleached out. Now I know everyone says not to water Pleione until after flowering and roots are well developed but in some cases it's just not practical with higher than average temperatures. Could watering over developing buds also cause a problem?
Erling I can't see anything wrong with your grandiflora apart from its shape which again may have been caused by heat or even cold problems at some point. If going by your pictures then the Erebus Redpoll looks suspect as well.
The biggest problem as identified in an earlier post by Paul Cumbleton which talks about tests carried out by Ian Butterfield years ago is that not all virus infected plants show any signs and grow as well as non infected Pleione. Therefore without testing every plant in your collection it's impossible to say which ones are healthy. You could burn a plant that you suspect is carrying due to a few petal streaks but the culprit may sit quietly in your collection not noticed for years to come.
How easily and at what stage a virus can get transmitted from plant to plant is also questionable. If transmitted by mites then presumably a newly acquired bulb potted up and sitting close to an infected bulb could be infected and then show signs when flowering?
Fingers crossed all will be well this year.
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Hello Tamar and welcome!
Flower colours in pleione hybrids can show some variation from season to season. P. Zeus Weinstein is well known for that. It sometimes produces colour breaks, depending on climate variability during the development of the flower bud.
Have a look at last year's discussion about it as well.
Last year I made my debut on this forum asking questions about this very issue (see my pics of P. Eiger a few posts down from the quote).
After the input received, I decided to put my pot full of Eiger in my woodland patch where they got eaten within days by an army of slugs...
Then I visited the Malvern Spring Show and discussed this matter with Ian Butterfield. His point was that it might well have virus, but if it doesn't affect the others, and the plants are vigorous, what's the problem. I subsequently dug my Eiger's up, and raised them away from others to see what happens this year. They suffered because of their outing, but I might still get a flower or to. I'll post the pic as soon as I get one.
It is clear to me now that it isn't clear!
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Just tried to answer, opening with a quote from last years' thread where the same issue arose. But it appeared as an answer in the 'Pleione 2013' thread, where it doesn't make sense. Maybe Maggi the magical moderator can help transporting it over? :) Sorry!
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No worries, Bart - it's now the post no.38 on this page ;)
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Because I‘m the person who sent the e-mail to Erling, that some of his plants look oddly and in my opinion show symptoms similar to viral plants, let me to write a several words about viruses in pleiones collections.
Here on the forum and elsewhere, is the problem about viruses very often discussed and were written many about that, but basically no facts and between growers are too many myths about viruses.
As many of you know, I’ve make for several last years a research in cooperation with the Crop Research Institute Prague - Department of Virology about spread of virus in pleiones culture and their influence on plants. Let me to summarize in epitome the findings, which we have reached so far.
Between growers still survives an idea that viruses are not harmful for plants, if they only cause changes of the colour of flowers or leaves and don’t lead directly to death of the plant.
It’s truth that pleiones are probably very resistant to destructive effects of viruses and viral plants can grow very vigorously. This fact is probably due to their one-year growing cycle, so unlike an evergreen orchids have viruses in pleiones very short time for visible showing their presence.
Viruses in evergreen orchids are the most noticeable on old leaves. The young leaves are usually without any symptoms. If we transfer this fact onto pleiones life cycle, we can found some viral symptoms on the leaves only in late summer, so, at the time when the leaves begin to physiologically turn brown and fall, so it is very difficult to tell whether the changes on the leaves are caused by a virus or plant just finish its growth.
That’s way we only can observe the changes on the flowers. It is true that changes of colour and shape of flowers, etc. can cause a lot of factors, but viruses are one of them and is better to be careful than sorry.
The tests we’ve made show that some plants contain a virus in a latent stage, which has no effect on the plant until the plant is exposed to some stress. It may be for example a bad temperature condition during bud developing period. Thus, reacted mainly spherical viruses which were usually found on the plants without any symptoms. In contrast, the filamentous viruses, with particles length from 430 to 3300 nm such as CymMV caused colour or shape anomalies of flowers always, without regard to condition changing.
As I said, it appears that Pleiones compared to evergreen orchids are more resistant to the virus. It means that viruses spread slower through the pleione collection, however they spread. We performed experiments with transfering of a spherical virus from secretion of pleione which didn’t show any symptoms on a host plant (Chenopodium amaranticolor). Host plants show at month many viral lesions. Next transfer was performed on Phalaenopsis with the same secretion - the plant after 1/2 year showed spots on the leaves and subsequently died.
Likewise, I believe that there is no other reasonable explanation for “Sudden Dead Syndrome”, what has been many times debated here, than the virus impact in a latent stage.
Reluctance nurseries to test their plants is obvious. The tests are too expensive and testing in one way may not lead to the true result. We are always performed three kinds of tests as ELISA, electron microscopy and host plants and in many cases, we obtained different results.
The problem with the ELISA test is that it works only for one specific type of virus. The problem of electron microscopy is that you can monitoring only a small part of the plant and the problem of host plants is their own resistance to some viruses.
Another factor is the popularity. None of the nurseries like information that their plants are viral. Therefore, rather proclaim that viruses not harm, or that the problems causing other factors.
I believe that in this short post I’ve explained how serious problem may be the viruses in our collections. Therefore I recommend, all odd looking plants keep into quarantine.
Our project should be completed this year, so, after that I will publish more details or photos.
K.
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Hi Karel and all
Thank you for explaining. I amnot disputing your resurch at all and think that you are dooing a good job on that. As I wrote i my mail to you and on this forum, disputed plants in my collection has been removed from the others, and will be followed closely. You are right, better careful than sorry.
The problems I raise, is of corse that can I trust that every grower will do so. I have put a lot of efforts and money into building up a god collection, buying plants from recognised nurseries. If I shall be able to develop my collection further, I need to be able to sell surplus to buy new ones. If the health of my collection is doubted, I have a problem. I know of corse that this is very egoistic. ???
So let me state here, that all my plants being suspected will stay in carenteen for at least two years, and I will post pictures of them every year on my own page. Should they flower and look odly again, I will destroy them. Anyone who have bought plants from me, of the ones disputed may write me a pm or a mail, and I will immediately refund all their money. That is the best I can do.
I do hope that all other serious nurseries will do the same.
Funny how things can change from day to day.
Frustrated but still a happy pleione collector
Erling
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Hi Erling,
We of course can’t to recognise the virus only by photo – we are not fortune-tellers. However is better to keep plants several years in quarantine than risk that virus will spread around all collection.
Ian Buttrefield told me, that he throws all oddly looking pleione out. I thing that positive selection is only one good way.
K.
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Karel,
yes I agree with Ian Butterfield's approach to throwing out at harvesting time any pseudobulb that looks suspicious, having lesions, discolorations, black or brown pits etc. That will minimise bacterial and fungal disorders. As for virus, it's hard to tell, as already mentioned. :)
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It's Pleione humilis season...
Alex
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It's Pleione humilis season...
Alex
And you've "shot" it expertly!
;D
cheers
fermi
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Very nice humilis Alex ;)
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It's Pleione humilis season...
Alex
Very nice (y)
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It's Pleione humilis season...
Alex
Well done Alex !
Do you grow it in pure sphagnum ??
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Hi Luc,
The top few cm are pure Sphagnum with a more usual mix underneath. I think giving some heat is most important with this one, at least it has made a big difference in my hands.
Cheers,
Alex
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The top few cm are pure Sphagnum with a more usual mix underneath. I think giving some heat is most important with this one, at least it has made a big difference in my hands.
Nice pot Alex!
Do you mean giving some heat in winter like praecox?
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Hi Khadija,
Yes, just the same as praecox etc. Incidentally, I grew hookeriana fairly well last year for the first time ever (previous results had been very poor) using this same regime. I think we maybe underestimate the amount of heat these things like, although they can still grow quite well in colder temperatures if other things are optimized. I should say, for hookeriana they still get a cold dormancy, the heat is given in the growing season; I believe this follows the pattern of their habitat quite closely.
Cheers,
Alex
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Hi Khadija,
Yes, just the same as praecox etc. Incidentally, I grew hookeriana fairly well last year for the first time ever (previous results had been very poor) using this same regime. I think we maybe underestimate the amount of heat these things like, although they can still grow quite well in colder temperatures if other things are optimized. I should say, for hookeriana they still get a cold dormancy, the heat is given in the growing season; I believe this follows the pattern of their habitat quite closely.
Cheers,
Alex
Thank you for sharing your treatment ;)
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Hi Alex, nice pot of P. humilis ;) How high temperature do you keep now?
I'll show you several photos of viral P. Santorini we tested.
The first picture shows the plant when colour changes was shown for the first time - the plant was put into quarantine.
Second year the plant looks "healthier", however when we tested it, we found "very nice" spherical viruses.
In the third year the plant showed in quarantine viral anomalies on a leaf.
K.
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hello friends,
some sunshine last days,
so the first "spring"flower opened this year.
but others are still dormant.
Pleione humilis
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140210-190939-514.jpg)
enjoy
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Wonderful photo of P. humilis. I wish there were many more suppliers of Pleione in Canada.... then again, maybe not- the additional temptations might drain the bank account to the point of no return! ;D
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Very nice humilis presented on this page. Mine are a few days from flowering.
Karel, very informative pictures on virus. Will it be ok to send you some pictures when my pleione suspected for virus are flowering. I know that you can not just tell from pictures alone, but you are much more an expert on this subject than me.
Regards Erling
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Hello all ;)
The poting of bulbs will begin very soon so i am looking for some orchid bark. I still have some which i ordered online and it was quite expensive but i dont think it will be enough.
So i was looking online and went to some shops but i realy cant find any orchid potting bark... all they offer is bark that is used for covering, or should i say mulching ( it is used in gardens too look nice and preventing weeds to grow between flowers) I hope i explained it good :)
Does anyone has any experience using this type of bark... what is the difference? will the growth be weaker? what kind of grade should it be?
It really is a shame that i cant find any shop with orchid bark in this country! Maybe I should start my own business :D
I also have a few questions regarding fertilizer.
I just recently bought Akerne's Rain mix which i am using now on all my orchids and i am satisfied with it. I intend to use it for my Pleione aswell. It has a NPK ratio of 13-3-15 plus some CaO, MgO and other trace elements.
Does anyone here use it? And if you do, do you still make a concentration of 1/4 of recommended strength?
The recommended dosage is 1 spoon for 3 liters of water, so now using 1 spoon for 12 liters seems so little to me. I know sometimes less is more but still. Any suggestions?
best regards
Gregor
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Pleione 'Sirena' is my first of the season ! 8)
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Gregor,
Akerne's Rainmix is formulated for orchids, therefore you should use the measurements on the pack. The rule of 1/4 strength only applies to general, non orchid specific, fertilisers.
As far as play or mulch bark is concerned, I have been toying with the idea, but it would need a lot of preparation. First one would have to be sure that no chemical additives have been used eg. herbicides, because that would rather defeat the objective. Secondly, the particle size is extremely variable from large chunks to fine dust. It would have to be sifted twice:
1) through a 1cm sieve to remove the largest particles. Keep what falls through and put what's left in the sieve on your garden.
2) through a 2mm sieve to remove the dust and fines. Keep what stays in the sieve and put what fell through on your garden.
There is another option which I am trying to pursue. Last spring I bought from Akerne a bowl (12) of Pleione formosana 'Blush of Dawn'. They were in a mixture which Kenneth Bruyninckx, the owner, called "pond soil". These pleiones grew incredibly well and made pseudobulbs of 4cm in diameter with lots of good size offspring. I was impressed.
Kenneth sent me this message: "According to the English description of the ‘vijvergrond’ is consists of: hard frozen peat, clay, sand and fertilizer (NKP 14-16-18) with a pH value of 5 - 6,5 and a conductivity of 200 µS/cm."
There is no bark in this mixture, so maybe this is something you could make yourself from materials available in your country. Good luck. :) :) :)
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Dear Maren,
Yes i was thinking the same. Mulching bark realy is the mix of big and small pieces, but the thing i never think of is chemicals in it. You got the point here, this is the thing i realy have to check!
Pond soil is something i never heard before and as you described it something well worth trying :) If you'll try it please let us know how it went :)
The materials in it seem to be easy to buy from a local store except for the hard frozen peat... very unlikely to be obtainable here. You probably meant black peat that was once frozen in the nature? Can you tell me more about it(any brand that sells it)? :)
Thank you for all the answers and tips ;)
Best regards
Gregor
P.S. Nice Sirena Luc ;)
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My first Pleione
#1 & #2 Pleione formosana
#3 & #4 Pleione formosana 'ROSSINI'
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Pleione 'Lhasa Blushes' opened it's first of two flowers !
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Very nice Luc!
Over here an early Pleione yunnanensis, Lhasa 'Blushes' and Kettlewell 'Garth start to ignite a flowerbomb ;D
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Pleione Piton 'Sering' is truly flawless...
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A couple of the first flowers I have this season Eiger and Sirena , others are thinking of flowering.
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Hi all,
these are some spring bloomers from me: formosana and Rakata without clonal names, and a home-made Glacier Peak. I bred it a few years back from a white grandiflora and formosana alba. Used the formosana as the pod parent to increase vigour.
Enjoy, Carsten
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P. humilis, already faded, and two yellow clones of P. forrestii. Actually the first time I got that one to flower.
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Nice pictures Danshi.
I see you grow them in live sphagnum. Any advice on how you manage to do that? :)
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Hi Gregor, I will update the thread (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10127.0).
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That would be great ;)
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This one is new in my collection : Pleione 'Iris Butterfield' - a cross between forrestii and x confusa... it could hardly be anything else but yellow could it ??
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Oh.. Luc,.. it is gorgeous! Can't wait for mine to bloom :)
Regards
Gregor
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Hi Luc
This is realy a wonderfull flower. Congartulation
Regards Erling
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This one is new in my collection : Pleione 'Iris Butterfield' - a cross between forrestii and x confusa... it could hardly be anything else but yellow could it ??
Luc, it's wonderful!
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Tongariro & Stromboli 'Fireball'
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Nice flowers everyone!
The last week of sunshine has made all pleiones in the conservatory explode. Haven't taken the time to make decent pictures, but here's a sample:
1) Kituro 'Sulphur', new from I. Butterfield;
2) San Salvador, didn't flower last year but grew really well, and just opened yesterday;
3) Piton 'Ballerina'
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Long gone, but nice nevertheless 2 different P. Sirena's:
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Great selection Bart !! :o
Here's the eiger ABC as by Jan Berg, the dutch hybridiser (sadly passed away), using Pleione formosana alba in the cross.
1) Eiger 'To Ah'
2) Eiger 'To Be'
3) Eiger 'To See'
(he didn't lack humour naming his clones ;D)
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It's good to see the season is building. Some nice early starters.
My first of the season is this no-name but I think is P. bulbocodioides can someone confirm for me please or offer an alternative name.
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hi
My first ever pleione, bought from a garden centre as formosana but it looks a little darker than expected, is this normal for a formosana?
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Hi Graham,
I've never seen so big and purple bulbs of P. bulbocodioides. I think they should be P. formosana or some hybrid.
Transvaal - your plant looks more like P. bulbocodioides. P. formosana never has the central lamellae on a lip. Check lips on this page of Torelli's book.
K.
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Karel
Thanks for the swift response and extract from Torelli's book, I thought it had more of the look of a bulbocodioides but wasn't sure of the techinicalities.
Phil
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Hi Graham,
I've never seen so big and purple bulbs of P. bulbocodioides. I think they should be P. formosana or some hybrid.
Transvaal - your plant looks more like P. bulbocodioides. P. formosana never has the central lamellae on a lip. Check lips on this page of Torelli's book.
K.
Hi Karel,
I can see why you think this may not be bulbocodoiodes.
I see you use Torelli for identification purposes and on that page is P. hui. I didn't want to suggest this may be hui because no one else seems to agree that it really exists. However, in my naive early Pleione collecting days I saw P. hui bulbils on e-bay and purchased them and finally they have flowered. What does anyone think of this as an identification?
Graham
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Hi Graham,
I bought Pleione hui from Albiflora, knowing about the lack of recognition of its name, but I was intrigued to see how it was different from P. formosana so I bought it anyway. It is not flowering yet , but I have one picture from last year. What I liked about it was its size, more or less a 'Captain Hook' size flower and I like it. Just to sit on the fence I labelled it P. formosana 'Hui'. My other formosana's are 1, 2 and 3, so hui is quite jolly!
Could your plant not be a Hekla?
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Hi Graham,
I support Cribb's theory, that P. hui is synonym for P. formosana, however, if we concede existence of P. hui, so by Torelli's taxonomy it has two lamellae on the lip and P. formosana has got four. We can see four lamellae on your plant.
K.
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Could your plant not be a Hekla?
Yes Bart, it could be bull's-eye ;)
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Thank you Karel and Bart,
I have just had a PM from someone suggesting the same - so Hekla it is!
Graham
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Things are beginning here....a couple of forrestii flowers and a first time flowering of Angwantibo today. I think the first forrestii is a rather good clone, and has a much bigger lip than most.
Alex
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Things are beginning here....a couple of forrestii flowers and a first time flowering of Angwantibo today. I think the first forrestii is a rather good clone, and has a much bigger lip than most.
Alex
I agree, Alex - a very nice form of forrestii !!
Angwantibo isn't bad either... ;D
New in my collection is Pl. Red Colobus - quite happy with it !!
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Very nice colour, Luc! Where did you get it from?
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Very nice colour, Luc! Where did you get it from?
Yes Ulrich, I like it a lot too !
It was on Ian Butterfield's list !
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That's fine! Will order it next time.
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Pleione bliss with bulbocodioides 'Kunming King', formosana, formosana 'Cairngorm', Hekla 'Partridge' and Marco Polo...
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...and Whakari 'Cardinal', Margaret Kerr, Eiger 'Snowflake' and Lilac Wonder...
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...and x confusa with unfortunately deformed petals.
On the last picture compared with (obviously) Shantung 'Ducat' which has been sold as x confusa 'Golden Gate' :(
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Hello all
Some new flowers from Denmark, to lighten up the day
Regards Erling
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Very nice Erling, albiflora finally rewarded your patience ;)
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Great to see your albiflora in flower Erling!!!
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Nice P. albiflora Erling. By green apexes on the petals I assume, it is clone form Jan Moors ;)
K.
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You are right, it is a clone from Jan Moors.
Do any one know if there are more clones, than the ones presented on Poul Cumbleton and Jan Moors web-sites.
Regards Erling
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Hello all
Some new flowers from Denmark, to lighten up the day
Regards Erling
Wonderful series Erling !
The albiflora is gorgeous !
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You are right, it is a clone from Jan Moors.
Do any one know if there are more clones, than the ones presented on Poul Cumbleton and Jan Moors web-sites.
Regards Erling
There were some available recently as seed-raised plants which were said to be from seed obtained from Paul Cumbleton's stock. Being seed-raised they are likely to be quite variable. I have only flowered one so far and it looks to me to be just a plain Pleione humilis -but I think that is down to shady dealings by the supplier! I have another from a different supplier which is about a week away from flowering ........but seeing is believing! ;)
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I believe the seed-raised stocks of P. albiflora recently offered are indeed originally from my stock. I crossed two forms I have (see below) and sent some of the resulting seed to Camiel de Jong. He sowed and raised plants and I believe he then sold on some of these plants to the dealers who have been advertising them. Pictures of them also show true albiflora. He returned some to me and these have flowered as true albiflora If anyone has bought these and they have turned out to be P. humilis then I would suspect the “shady dealings by the supplier” that Steve is suspicious of.
As I crossed two differing clones the seedlings are bound to be a bit variable. Below are pictured the two clones I crossed (first two pictures) and the third picture is of a third clone. I have not personally seen any other clones than these three. I will attempt to make more pods this season - if anyone would like some of the resulting seed please let me know and I will send some if possible. The more we can get this spread around the better!
Cheers
Paul
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Hi Paul,
Thanks for showing these… The middle one reminds me of my (imperfect!) memory of humilis Frank Kingdon Ward… Do you think there is a chance that that famous cultivar wasn’t actually a humilis?
I note the middle albiflora has the long thin neck you refer to in your post of 10/01/2012 in the thread ‘‘Extinct or existing pleione?’’
Tim DH
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Thanks for posting Paul!
I bought a Pleione "albiflora" in response to a special offer email I received from Medlock Valley Orchids. The email linked to a page on the website which highlighted the rarity of this species and went on to state that Paul Cumbleton himself had confirmed the veracity of the (three) pseudobulbs on offer.
Here are a couple of views of the "albiflora" that I bought from Medlock Valley Orchids:
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(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/13314779593_851e7cf0aa_o.jpg)
When I first received this pseudobulb I raised concerns over its appearance with Stuart Pointon, the owner of Medlock Valley Orchids. It looked quite different to other pseudobulbs of "Pln albiflora" that I had bought elsewhere -but were apparently of the same provenance.
Stuart replied to my email: "The Albiflora is 100% true and seems to have come from the same source as yours and I did have this confirmed by Paul before I bought them. If anything you ever buy from me proves to be wrong at anytime I will replace or refund with no questions asked as orchids are my true hobby and I know how disappointing it is to receive the wrong plant. My home number is xxxxxxxxxxxx which you can contact me on anytime but this is not for public distribution as it is my house."
Now that the pseudobulb has flowered it looks to me like a rather ordinary small-flowered Pleione humilis and certainly does not have the characteristic prominent saccular pouch at the base of the lip ( see the second image here: http://www.orchideenkultur.net/index.php?topic=1797.210 (http://www.orchideenkultur.net/index.php?topic=1797.210) ).
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Hi Steve
There is very sad to see this Stuart's deception. However this is really true P. humilis :(
I'm interesting who has the flowering plants from Paul's seeds, because my three years old seedlings are still in flasks and they grow very slowly and reluctantly.
K.
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Hi Steve
There is very sad to see this Stuart's deception. However this is really true P. humilis :(
I'm interesting who has the flowering plants from Paul's seeds, because my three years old seedlings are still in flasks and they grow very slowly and reluctantly.
K.
I have four bulbs with two in bud. They came direct from Germany after they were bought from Camiel and should flower in about a week, fingers crossed they don't abort last minute.
Also have a few in flask which don't seem to be getting any bigger after two years.
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This is Pleione albiflora from Paul Christian, which is fortunately the right thing....I have another direct from Christian Schrenier, which also looks correct but is not quite open yet. Both are from the Paul Cumbleton seed I believe. I am glad that you have some from another source, Steve, I'm sure those will be correctly named. As for the business ethics of Stuart Pointon.... >:(
Also coming out today are Pleione Leda 'Palm Thrush' and P. Quizapu 'Peregrine'. Pleione season is underway...
Alex
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Isn't it interesting how early and late some of the species and varieties flower? Also how the latitude and longitude affect the blooming season! Situated on the East Coast of England, I have to part the sphagnum in order to see any hint of a flower bud on Forrestii and yet we are seeing photos of other examples of this specie in flower already in other parts of Europe.
Anyway, I am really pleased with my latest acquisition which has proved to be the first Pleione to flower for me this year. Pl. Melbury 'Christine Walker', (Pl. formosana ‘Avelanche’ x Littondale ‘Oxnop’) So I attach a couple of photos for you to enjoy!
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It isn't where they are that dictates flowering time Tony. How much heat you give them is the vital factor. Some of my tropical growing friends' pleiones have finished flowering because they keep them at 10-12 degree minimum whilst my cold grown (Lincolnshire) plants are just getting going. My forrestii started flowering in mid February but others, kept in the same conditions are just coming. Just shows the variability within a species let alone between species.
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Pleione forrestii white form
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/13361464824_b8d06f7fde_z.jpg)
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2879/13361085335_e531dfb67e_z_d.jpg)
Pleione albiflora .......finally!
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7377/13361234893_ca60e6cdb2_z.jpg)
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Two tremendous plants Steve ! :o :o :o
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Very nice plants Steve. A very nice albiflora clone. I have my second
clone comming up in a week or so. It should be the same type as yours. Where did you get yours from?
Regards Erling
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Pleione forrestii white form
Pleione albiflora[/size][/i][/b] .......finally!
Steve you have finally tracked down P. forrestii white form.
Both these pleiones are superb.
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Steve all i can say is WOW :o
Very nice. The albiflora clone is stunning! Good work ;)
Regards
Gregor
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Fabulous Pleiones Steve and excellent photos.
The forrestii alba has lovely symmetrical markings.
Cross the two to make a nice Pl. confusa alba ??
Pete.
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Thanks guys!
Erling the albiflora came from Paul Christian who was supplied by Christian Schreiner who bought the plants from Camiel du Jong who grew them up from seed obtained from Paul Cumbleton's albiflora.
The albiflora I bought from Medlock Valley Orchids at great expense has miraculously turned into a Pln humilis! Do you think I have any chance of a refund? ???
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Eiger, cream form. A dainty, small flowered form.
Various Sifaka's.
The yellow clones are washed out with my Olympus camera and the reddish tone to the petals is accentuated, despite trying all the adjustments I know. Do any other Olympus owners find that capturing true yellow is a problem and which camera brand is best for true colour rendition?
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Thanks guys!
Erling the albiflora came from Paul Christian who was supplied by Christian Schreiner who bought the plants from Camiel du Jong who grew them up from seed obtained from Paul Cumbleton's albiflora.
The albiflora I bought from Medlock Valley Orchids at great expense has miraculously turned into a Pln humilis! Do you think I have any chance of a refund? ???
Hello Steve
I bought my second albiflora directly Schreiner, so interesting to see what it will look like.
To get a refund from Medlock Valley Orchids...... don't raise your hope to high. He simply stoped answering me when I complained about plants never delivered. Stay away form this guy.
Regards Erling
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Pleione forrestii
It has twin flowers this year. It has come out a bit green in the picture. My camera does that with yellows sometimes.
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A new flowering for me, Rakata x grandiflora (yellow form.) A nice big flower.
I have managed to get a better colour photo with Slugkiller's advice, showing the true yellow tones.
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Great flower, Pete - these yellow/orange shades are my favourites. Is this a cross made by you? Well done if so!
Alex
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A new flowering for me, Rakata x grandiflora (yellow form.) A nice big flower.
I have managed to get a better colour photo with Slugkiller's advice, showing the true yellow tones.
Superb plant, Pete !!
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That's a really good cross Pete, congratulations! I too like these orangey shades and it's good to see more and more of these being produced.
Cheers
Paul
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I've started the new season with P. Cuxius. There is interesting to see pinkish petals compared to P. x confusa.
K
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Hi Alex.
No, not mine unfortunately. I was given some seedlings ex-flask from a friend who made the cross I think. Unfortunately she has now given up growing Pleiones as far as I know, so I don't think it will get a registered name.
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It wasn't Kath, was it? I hope she hasn't given up. You might not remember, but you put me in touch with her 4 or 5 years ago to get my first coronaria.
It is a lovely cross and well worth registering. Surely you could do it with the breeder's permission?
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A new flowering for me, Rakata x grandiflora (yellow form.) A nice big flower.
I have managed to get a better colour photo with Slugkiller's advice, showing the true yellow tones.
This is a wonderfull plant Pete. Put me on a list, I can wait a long time for such a beuty ::) ;) ;)
Erling
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A small pleione flowering now but I don't remember its name...think it might be pleione PITON...
JP
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Two more Rakata x grandiflora flowers, using a "normal" grandiflora and good old Katla flowering.
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Lovely plant, Peter. You could register on behalf of your friend. There are quite a lot of crosses in the Register where the name of the breeder is different from the name of the registrant. :)
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Peter,
If these were from Kath, she may yet register it if you suggest it to her, even though she has now stopped growing & breeding herself. Registering on someone else's behalf is permitted, but only with the permission of the breeder.
Cheers
Paul
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Hello all
A little yellow spring flowers to enjoy
Pleione Karkatoa, Pleione Shantung 'Ducat, Pleione ZeusWeinstein
Regards Erling
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Hi everyone,
I'm enjoying viewing all of your photos and it's interesting to find out what's flowering where and when. I thought that I would share a few images of the two Pleione which are flowering for me at the moment. They are both very recent additions to my collection.
The first one is Pl.Glacier Peak, followed by two unselected clones of Pl.Hertha Kretz individually and next to each other for size comparison.
Regards, Kevin
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Pl. grandiflora, a yellow lip x yellow form cross. The yellow not coming through at all with this on.
Sifaka, another that I havn't had flower before.
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Currently blooming with me:
Pleione grandiflora Yellow Lip
Pleione Ueli Wackernagel. I bought this as 'Pearl', but someone expressed doubt about this: The color should be more pale. What is your opinion?
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Very nice grandiflora ;)
Regarding Pearl. I do not own one but as far as i know it should be white :)
Regards
G
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Currently blooming with me:
Pleione grandiflora Yellow Lip
Pleione Ueli Wackernagel. I bought this as 'Pearl', but someone expressed doubt about this: The color should be more pale. What is your opinion?
Great Pleiones everyone !
Here's the real Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl' - Ulrich.
and some more :
Pl. caroli 'Cape Robin' quite colourful
Good old Pl. shantung 'Ducat'
Pl. Captain hook, always seeming to look a bit sad
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Hello i have a question.
The question someone asked me, and i have been asking myself too is how do you pronounce the word Pleione?
I have done some google search and found PLAY-o-nee but I'm not sure it's correct.
I pronounce a little different. With the last e as a wide one ( like in met, bed). Any suggestion are welcome :)
Best regards
G.
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Hallo Luc,
thank you for your photos of 'Pearl'. What is your opinion, is mine real or not?
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Hello Gregor,
pronunciation of Pleione varies with the language in which the word is used. In English it is indeed as you describe, in German it is more like Play-OH-ne, in French it is different again and I won't even try Mandarin. So I think as long as all parts of the name are audible, you should be alright. :) :) :)
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Thank you Maren for the explanation! ;)
Regards
G.
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Some flowering now
Forrestii Vietnam via David Llewelyn, a great clear yellow
Iris Butterfield from Ian Butterfield this year
Polar sun that seems to thrive and multiply at a rate of knots
and Rossini a commercially available variety that does very well
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Hallo Luc,
thank you for your photos of 'Pearl'. What is your opinion, is mine real or not?
I think yours is somewhat darker, Ulrich, but I find it quite attractive too !
I had a similar clone until a few years back, when it was devoured by mice... :'(
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I had a real laugh entering my horticultural life in Britain, hearing people talk about Kniphofia's, and not at all knowing what they were on about! There is quite a world of linguistics between [Nifofia] and the Dutch pronunciation.
In flower now a new to me P. Jake Butterfield;
P. Salek, starting to like it more and more;
P. Whakari with lovely colour contrasts;
and P. Kilauea 'Curlew', an old favourite. One day I'd like to grow 'Hoopoe', when prices have calmed down a bit. Is it as vigorous and easy as Curlew?
And also new, P. Spot Nosed Monkey. Never seen a pic of it, and bought 2 years ago off e-bay so not sure if it is what it should be. Nice though!
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Hi Bart
Yes your spot nose monkey looks correct.
You can see another one here.
http://www.koolplants.co.uk/Pleione-Hybrid-Images.html (http://www.koolplants.co.uk/Pleione-Hybrid-Images.html)
Regards
David
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Thanks for that David, I just had a look at your site. Hadn't been there for a while, it has changed! Loads more pictures, nice! Still waiting to see what P. Egmont 'Jay' might look like, bought some bulbils of you. My cat tipped a pot of Kenya Bald Eagle and Egmont 'Jay' over soon after planting 2 years ago (or is it one?) and I have no idea which made it back in the pot! Have you got a pic somewhere?
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Hopefully have a picture of Egmont Jay this year. They did flower last year but I was away for 3 months.
Anyone else got a picture of Pleione Egmont Jay?
D
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The flowering season of Pleione is quite overwhelming. So many people are posting one beuty after another. Nice to see that growers are doing so well.
Here are another two of my favorites. I know that Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl' Has been shown before..... but it's awesome.
Regards Erling
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Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl' is a real beauty - I've loved each one shown!
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hello,
I need your help
X Confusa ?
Shantung 'Ducat'?
thank you very much
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/078_zpsd4dd319a.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/078_zpsd4dd319a.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/079_zps5496482f.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/079_zps5496482f.jpg.html)
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Pleione Edgecombe now flowering, many of mine are very similar.
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hello,
I need your help
X Confusa ?
Shantung 'Ducat'?
thank you very much
Salut Julien, I would bet my money on Shantung 'Ducat' ::)
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I agree on Pleione Shantung 'Ducat'.
Regards Erling
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A new flowering, Kublai Khan x grandiflora. One of Martin Hazelton's creations. Nice and vivid.
Sifaka.
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I bought this at a garden centre as P. formosana, but was surprised by the colour. please can anyone identify it as formosana?
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Hi Janette,
This looks like Pleione grandiflora, not formosana. But a nice form - for once a mis-labelled plant where what you got is better than what you expected!
Paul
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I bought this at a garden centre as P. formosana, but was surprised by the colour. please can anyone identify it as formosana?
Where is the garden centre? Do they have any more? ;D
Lucky mistake as it's a nice clone.
David
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I bought them at Perrywoods garden centre near Tiptree Essex. They had two clay pots with the light green pseudobulbs, so I was curious. £12 for 4 flowering size pseudobulbs and more flowers to come. :)
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Here my Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl':
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Pleione Zeus Weinstein 'Egret'
Pleione Muriel
This one is very similar to my Ueli Wackernagel, but Muriels lip is broader.
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hello,
I need your help
Virus or not?
Pleione 1
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/019_zps727c503e.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/019_zps727c503e.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/020_zpsb498ae32.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/020_zpsb498ae32.jpg.html)
Pleione 2
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/021_zps90e57896.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/021_zps90e57896.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/022_zps05dcde90.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/022_zps05dcde90.jpg.html)
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Here my Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl':
Stunning pot full and a great photo.
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Edgecombe again, interestingly the flower colour has darkened and intensified over the last few days and is even more attractive.
Pl. grandiflora yellow form. A lovely yellow, not fully captured by the photo. Equally rivals forrestii.
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Nice plants Peter!
What's the difference between Yellow Grandiflora and Forrestii?
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Hi Steve,
The grandiflora is a daintier flower with a more lemon yellow colour. More importantly, it is much easier to grow and keep.
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Hi Steve,
The grandiflora is a daintier flower with a more lemon yellow colour. More importantly, it is much easier to grow and keep.
Thanks Pete!
I bought a grandiflora from a reputable grower last Autumn which has just flowered. The flower is yellow with red lip markings and so I assumed that it was a forrestii as I wasn't aware of yellow grandiflora. However the flower of this plant has a delicate scent -a feature I always associate with forrestii.
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My first pan of the year:
P. Follifoot ‘Princess Tiger’.
A floriferous cultivar.. one of the other pans has 13 flowers in it.. and you can't ''see' any of them!
Tim DH
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FANTASTIC cultivar, Tim
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Pleione Lucy, another small, dainty flower. This clone flowering for me for the first time.
NID. This is another first time flowering, but I have no idea what it is.
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Hello everybody,
It is wonderful to see all these pictures of flowering Pleione. It is also good to see that new additions are side by side with the old familiar hybrids.
My collection is not providing me much flowers this years. Last autum we moved after some serious home renovations and I think the winter storage wasn't ideal. A lot of flower buds are aborted when the shoots started to grow. I am still hoping for a late burst from the less sensitive ones.
Keep those images coming.
Greetings
Pieter
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Tim,
your P. Follifoot is a new one on me, but what a stunner.
Regards,
Kevin
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Nice pictures everyone
Here is a little form my end of the world. I am realy amaced about Pleione Michael Butterfield. I do not think I have ever seen as red a Pleione as this one.
Regards Erling
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Nice plants Peter!
What's the difference between Yellow Grandiflora and Forrestii?
My apologies Steve and to everyone, I wrongly named the photo of grandiflora yellow form! It is in fact grandiflora yellow form x (forrestii x humilis).
This odd flower has appeared in the same pot, I quite like it despite no lip.
My Shantung "Ducat" flowering.
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Hello Pete
I have never seen a lipless pleione before, amazing. Very nice cream yellow colour and shape. I like it.
Regards Erling
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A unique Pleione Pete ;)
Pleione albiflora at last. Unfortunately not the best photo as there is another upside down flower below it. Don't want to remove it yet as I want the pollen.
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Superb albiflora, love the veining.
Nothing wrong with the photo.
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Superb albiflora David, a truly bonny Pleione!
Thanks for posting the image of the lipless Pleione Pete. I've never seen this before in a Pleione, it's not at all unattractive!
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Yesterday, I went to the RHS London Orchid Show. I was struck by the presence of rather beautiful forms of P. grandiflora on several exhibitors' stands, all with a very intense yellow lip. It reminds me a bit of the influx of P. X confusa ' Golden Gate' last year, not that I believe that really is confusa (looks like a Shantung to me)....Anyway, does anybody know anything about the origin of these incredible yellow-lipped grandiflora? The other thing is that they're all huge bulbs, I bought one with 4 flowers.
Cheers,
Alex
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Alex, the grandiflora may be the same source all the recent albiflora have come from.
Christian Schreiner - http://www.gartenwerkstatt-schreiner.de (http://www.gartenwerkstatt-schreiner.de)
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Hi David,
Thanks for that - it would make sense, as he has brought quite a few rarely seen things onto the market this year.
Is this a suggestion or something you have inside knowledge on?
Also, I think I am correct in saying that the Schreiner stuff is actually grown from seed by Camiel de Jong, then passed on to CS for selling, no?
Cheers,
Alex
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Hi Alex,
Several years ago I provided Camiel de Jong seed of various Pleione, including the rare ones offered this past year (by Schreiner etc). It also included P. grandiflora, seed from good parents with excellent yellow lips. So it is likely that the plants you bought were grown by Camiel, from my seed, and then passed on to retailers like Schreiner. I do not know this for certain, but it seems highly likely. While I never have enough bulbs myself to supply demand for some of these things, supplying seed to nurserymen who can raise them to adulthood in good numbers is a good way of making things more available. I'm glad you managed to buy some decent plants. Enjoy!
Paul
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Thanks, Paul - you must be right.
Thank you for spreading this seed around; a serious enthusiast with a source of high quality material and a commercial nurseryman with the technical ability and scale of Camiel de Jong is a powerful combination indeed. The results have been fantastic (two separate clones below, they are even yellower IRL) and it has been a real pleasure to get flowering bulbs of things like P. albiflora and these grandiflora.
Unrelated, also below is the first P. coronaria of the year, just opened today.
Alex
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Alex, Probably some of the nicest grandiflora I've seen.
I'm always amazed how some peoples plants are far more advanced than mine. For example, my Pleione coronaria are not yet showing any signs of growth but at a guess they have come from the same original source. Maybe I keep plants in the dark and cold longer than is needed?
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Hi David,
I can take no credit, sadly - but massed together at the show they did look wonderful.
The P. coronaria is a bit earlier than the other clone I grow - this one originated from Kath Fairhurst - but I think my greenhouse is relatively warm, and I never refrigerate any Pleiones.
Alex
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Enjoying everyone's posts, and a couple from me -
1&2 Pleione pleionoides
3 P. 'Shantung Ducat'
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Another small pleione, but a most common one.
Think it's pleione Tongariro
JP
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Hi Alex,
the P. grandiflora you bought from me at the London Orchid Show last week were indeed from Schreiner via the route suggested and, had you asked, I would have told you. They are quite extraordinary, some with 3 flower stems and 2 to 3 flowers on each. I think you picked two of the best, congratulations.
I arranged these in a cascading wave of basket fulls on my display, about 60 in all with over 200 flowers, and they looked rather nice. The RHS thought so, too, and gave me another Silver Gilt medal for my efforts. When I get some pictures from friends (my camera was ill), I shall post them on the forum.
As they are so large, I would suggest that you drop them very gently into a larger pot or bowl to give them enough room for the 3 or 4 large replacement bulbs you can expect from each by the end of the growing period. You would have to do this without delay because the roots have started to grow. This is how I do it:
1) hold the pseudobulb over the half filled pot/bowl so that it is suspended, not resting on the compost,
2) pour compost around it until half way up the pseudobulb
3) do not press down on the compost or you will break the roots
4) water gently but generously to allow the compost to settle around the roots.
Good luck. :) :) :)
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Well, Maren, seeing how good the plant is that Alex bought, I can easily imagine how magnificent your display of them was. Congratulations of your Medal! It will be super to see some photos when you can manage that.
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Thanks Maggi, you are very kind. It was a lot of hard work. I managed to empty the van this morning and now I am sitting in a pile of plants, moss, ferns, driftwood, cloth, wooden boxes and other paraphernalia that went into my display. Soon everything will be back to normal. ;)
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Hi,
I thought that I'd share a couple of the Pleione which I bought from Maren whist at the show this past weekend. I have to say that the Pleione was there in strength this year at many stalls! Maren's display was as stunning as ever and the colourful display a testiment to her ability to grow great Pleione.
I bought a couple of plants (but passed on the amazing P.grandiflora on show- and am regretting it now!).
Below is the P.yunannensis I bought. Such a dainty little thing! I also bought a great robust P.Piton (no photo) and I had to pick up a P.Achievement! This is a great Pleione, the intense colours of which are hard to capture on my phone! The flower was slightly dented on the way home with all of the other things I was carying it's unavoidable, and it's going over now, but I've done my best to capture the orange/pink in the lip.
Best,
Kevin
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Hi Maren,
Here are several photos of your stand at the London Orchid Show. It was very nice to meet you again ;).
K.
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Hi Maren,
Thanks for this. I didn't ask because I was too busy enjoying my new purchases at the time - and I think it is slightly bad manners to ask a nurseryman/woman where they get their stock from! They looked awesome on your display, as did the other Pleiones, so many congrats on your medal.
Alex
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Maren,
congrats on your display and medal.
I'ne just flowered one ofthese new grandifloras and they are super.
A real step forward!
If they increase well then there will be some super pans aound in a couple of years,
Regartds,
David
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Another pan…’’Regal’’ This one is my small flowered Ueli Wakernagel… It *only* gets to 105mm across!!
Tim DH
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2 nice Edgecombe opened today.
Volcanello "Firecrest"
Ueli Wackernagel.
Pl. yunnanense.
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Pleione Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140416-164154-993.jpg)
enjoy
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Pete - very nice clone of P. Edgecombe ;)
Visited Ian Butterfield and several next friends in England last week. Here you can find several photos from Ian's spring season http://pleione.cz/fotojine.html (http://pleione.cz/fotojine.html)
K.
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Two P. Edgecombe today - the top one is Ian Butterfield's 'Melba Finch', and the one below is another unselected one I got from him about 4 years ago. They are both a lot more orange and less pink in real life, but I haven't got around to playing with the camera settings and everything is taken on auto.
Cheers,
Alex
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Here's my edgecombe, obtained from Ian B. this year :
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Thanks Maggi, you are very kind. It was a lot of hard work. I managed to empty the van this morning and now I am sitting in a pile of plants, moss, ferns, driftwood, cloth, wooden boxes and other paraphernalia that went into my display. Soon everything will be back to normal. ;)
Congratulations on your medal Maren, the display looks superb and shows the plants off to their very best
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I don't have many pleiones but I do like this one for depth of colour. A gift from a cousin who sadly is no longer with us
Pl Red Grouse
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Nice pictures everyone. I sure like the Pln Edgecome you are posting Luc, Pete and Alex, sadly I don't have any myself..... ??? ???
Here is a litle something from Denmark.
Regards Erling
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Maren,
congrats on your display and medal. I've just flowered one of these new grandifloras and they are super. A real step forward! If they increase well then there will be some super pans aound in a couple of years.
Regards, David
Hi David,
thank you for that. I believe that the P. grandiflora will do well and multiply if given plenty of food and water and a big enough pot / bowl to develop their replacement pseudobulbs.
A couple of years ago, I bought a bunch of P. formosana from the same supplier, intended for my display. The pseudobulbs were the size of a small child's fist, and they grew and multiplied so well that I shall never need to stock up on these again.
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Can't help it. Pleione Askia 'Cinnabar' is a fantastic pleione hybrid.
Regards Erling
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Agreed. This is rather lovely. :) :) :)
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Here are another few Pleione which are flowering for me at the moment.
P. x confusa "Golden Gate" which I bought last year at the RHS Orchid show
A bowl of P.Tongarirro which I guess is pretty standard, but always puts on a good show
A plant which I bought as P.formosana which is suspisiously similar to my P.Tongarirro above! That'll teach me to buy a bulb from a random Ebayer without seeing it in person. Some you win- some you loose I guess.
Hope you all had a good Easter.
Regards,
Kevin
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Hi Kevin,
that does look like P. Tongariro (please note the spelling). It's a nice plant and flower, though, and one of my favourites. :) :)
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I have a mixed group of P. x barbarae that I separated out this morning and have seven variations so far. There are others with flowers yet to open. and others that won't flower this year. I hope there are no more variations.
Some I like more than others.
Variations in two posts.
Graham
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Second set.
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Nice collection of x barbarae!!!
15 miles north of you and mine are yet to open.
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Here are a few selected forms I acquired from Ian Butterfield, not so often seen - Pleione Krafla 'Kimi' and P. Whakari 'Dusky Sunbird'.
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Hi alex,
I love your P. Krafla 'Kimi'. My 'oranges' are just about to open. :) :) :)
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Nice collection of x barbarae!!!
15 miles north of you and mine are yet to open.
Thanks Steve.
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2 new lovelies for me;
Santorini "Yellow Wagtail"
Praslin.
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Two from me today:
Marco Polo 168.2.. I do like a flower that faces up.. A top petal that stands up helps.
Bulbocodiodes 205.2.. One of the unusual things about this cultivar is that double flowers don’t tend to come out upside down. In this pan four of the seven are doubles, and all the right way up.
Tim DH
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P Krafla Kimi is beautiful Alex!
I have a question... I guess my Pleione have a tendency to grow their roots not in the pot but to the sky ::) hmmm is there anything that can be done to prevent that ? :)
Regards
G
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Hi Gregork,
do all your pleiones do that? it would be unusual. sometimes mine make roots from the top of the bulb, they eventually find their way into the pot as they are searching for water. I tend to just put a little more compost over them to cover them.
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Hi Gregork,
It could be caused, if you use too coarse-grained bark. Developing roots touch the big piece of bark and then turn up.
K.
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Krafla is very nice crossing with a bit small flowers.
Here is P. Diller 'Sandpiper' - another Ian's very good selection.
K.
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Hi Maren, no not all of them but i think at least 4 plants do that. Maybe i should moist the compost a little bit. I did add some water but from the top, maybe thats the reason they went up to the sky. Well I've added some more bark on top to cover them up. We will see what happens next. I hope they wont brake through again :)
Karel,.. i dont know if thats the reason. i did use the finest grade bark i could find (7- 15 mm).
Thanks for your answers!
G
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Pleione grandiflora Yellow Lip
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5580/13977025649_8440fb4992_o_d.jpg)
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Pleione aurita
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3680/14113348038_feecac84d5_o_d.jpg)
Pleione scopulorum
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3680/14113308149_358afdcff8_o_d.jpg)
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Hi Steve,
nice piccies. My P. scopulorum didn't do much this year, just produced a juvenile leaf. Hmmm.
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NIce picture Steve,.. i love your P. scopulorum ;)
And also one thing. I have noticed some yellowish/brown spots on the leaves of my P. maculata. I thought this happende from too much sun... however just now i looked a bit more with my magnifier and i was shocked :o Little red bugs are crowling everywhere.
It must be the red spider mite or the false spider mite... Ive inspected the bulb aswell and there is nothing on it... which one is it? I am ordering some neem oil right away... as far as i know this will help or do you have any other suggestions?
But i think i am going to kill them with my bare hands first.... Damn creatures!
Best regards
Gregor
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Sounds like Red Spider Mite Gregor.
As well as specific treatment I think you will need to increase the humidity around your plant.
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Thanks Steve.
Will the neem oil sufice or should i use more agressive substances?
Yes i should sprinkle with water more often... We learn something every day.
G
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Assuming your maculata is currently indoors/ in a greenhouse I would use an appropriate insecticide (though mites aren't insects). Red Spider Mite can breed rapidly and overwhelm the host plants in no time. Might be worthwhile reading this link: http://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=190 (http://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=190)
They hate high humidity!
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Yes it is indors on my windowsil. I will check what they have in offer in local store. plus i am buying neem oil.
I just gave all my orchids a good shower, plus i will put one or two glasses of water on my windowsill. i also have two humidifiers on my radiator. I hope this helps to raise a humidity level.
Thanks for the link! Ill check it out
G
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RE: Spider mite control- A few years ago I had a massive outbreak of spider mites in our greenhouse (we were growing eggplant / aubergines). The plants were covered in mites in no time at all. Rather than using chemical control, I found a source for the predatory mite Phytoseiulus persimilis. These arrived in a test tube filled with oat bran. As far as the eye could tell, I had bought the most expensive vial of oat bran in Canada.
In spite of my skepticism, the bran was sprinkled on the aubergine leaves, and then I waited. Within days the new growth had vastly improved, and the spider mites were history in less than two weeks
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If you can find a source for Certis Spraying oil it will clear them up in no time. Just google 'Certis Spraying Oil'.
I've also used it to get rid of Mealy Bugs on indoor orchids and scale insects that were on Acer's in the garden.
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Thank you both for your answers!
Best regards
Gregor
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Phew, 50 jars reflasked today! A bit claustrophobic work in a plastic box ;D
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The last flowers for this spring (summer).
K.
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The last one ...
K.
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Hello all! :)
I was wondering is it normal for P. maculata to start showing some flower buds? Mine is already droping its leaves and there are two flower buds starting to develop. Not that i am complaining... i can't wait for the flowers but isnt't it supposed to be winter flowering species? :D
Regards
Gregor
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hey,
I am not an experienced maculata grower, but mine are same,
leaves dropped and buds showing, not yet open.
and the "Confirmation" are near to over............
cheers
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Hello Goofy
Thanks for the info... Guess i am not crazy after all for seeing some buds so early in the season :)
Post some photos of the confirmation. I just love them... i am buying one for sure this year :)
Regards
Gregor
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hello friends,
here are the first 2014 Pleiones for me.
Pleione lagenaria
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140726-184557-251.jpg)
Pleione Confirmation #1
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140726-184557-820.jpg)
Pleione Confirmation #2
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140726-184529-347.jpg)
two other Confirmations with different lips will follow next
enjoy
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Nice Pleione!!!
My maculata are nowhere near this stage. ???
Under what conditions (temperature/shading) do you grow your maculata Hr. Goofy?
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hey, I have them put "under LED lights" in the basement in January,
then transferred into the greenhouse in May,
when they were in full growth.
the praecox lost all leaves, no buds yet
the maculatas near to loose leaves
and buds are about near to open in about 14 days,
the Confusas are over about14 days...........
........... but two more were grown in the green house
not yet have buds, but are still in full growth :)
cheers
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hey, I have them put "under LED lights" in the basement in January,
then transferred into the greenhouse in May,
when they were in full growth.
the praecox lost all leaves, no buds yet
the maculatas near to loose leaves
and buds are about near to open in about 14 days,
the Confusas are over about14 days...........
........... but two more were grown in the green house
not yet have buds, but are still in full growth :)
cheers
Many thanks!
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SORRY friends,
I made a mistake:
they are NOT confusas,
BUT Confirmations ..............
cheers
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Some general photographs of plants
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and a couple more..
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Hallo Frazer,
it may interest you that your photo of Clare isn't Clare, because Clare is a form of P. formosana f alba, and should therefore be white.
Your second photo is Pln Stromboli 'Fireball', something got lost in the translation. ;)
Do you have them in flower now? that would be a bit unusual. :)
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It was worth planting the tiny coronaria bulbils I had, a few have grown ok in a mix of fine oak leaf shreddings, bark, Tesco cat litter and finely cut wood moss.
Pl. humilis bulbils have done even better.
I have found a coarse form of Tesco cat litter, which will be better for use Pleione and alpine compost mixes - Sanicat pink. I got this from pets at Home but I think it is widely available.
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Hello Pete
I have done the same with my Pleione albiflora bulbils. But I have planted them in a bottle, wich makes it easy to keep the moist, and the can stay longer without care during the summmer periode. In the bottum of the bottle, there is a layer of perlite to keep the compost moist and work as a water reservoir. On top is a layer of very fine cut peat moss and pine bark. It seems to work for even very tiny bulbils.
Regards
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Looks like albiflora is not shy to reproduce. :)
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Hello Danshi
It looks nice an vigerus. My plants usual gives two FS plants and a lot of tiny bulbils. But three new bulbs are a bit unusual. Do you grow them only in peatmoss?
Regards Erling
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Hi Erling,
they are growing in pure peat moss as that's my safest bet for growing such an expensive plant. I bought the mother bulb last winter, so I can't take credit for the three shoots it had, but we'll see how it performs next year. Interestingly the biggest one of the new bulbs isn't bottle-shaped like the old one, but rather round.
Regards
Daniel
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Hi Daniel
I have had Pleione albiflora for a few years now. Sometimes the bottleshape is not so significant, and some time the bottle shape comes quite late in the season. Sometimes first when I store it in the fridge during winter.
I had a look at my own Pleione albiflora, and this year one of the bulbs has given me 3 new, though one is not very big.
So yes, it seems to be a vigerus albiflora year. ;D
Regards Erling
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Shape-shifting in the fridge? Now that's spooky. ;D
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I think that when they are put into the fridge, they contain a lot of water. Climate in the fridge are very dry, so the bulbs loses some water during the winter. This could be why the change shape. So not that spooky realy. ;D
Regards Erling
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I think that when they are put into the fridge, they contain a lot of water. Climate in the fridge are very dry, so the bulbs loses some water during the winter. This could be why the change shape. So not that spooky realy. ;D
Regards Erling
What?
So you have no fridge fairies in Danmark? :o
We have them at work. They come out at night, take the best fresh food and replace it with rot and empty wrappers!
Then there are the toilet trolls ............
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Steve..... please, I am not sure that I want to hear about them toilet trolls.... ;D ;D ;D
Erling
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A few questions for anyone growing autumn flowering Pleione, especially saxicola. And before anyone says, I know that I have asked them before, but that was a few years ago and I'd be interested in any new thoughts!
I have grown mine in sphagnum moss in small aquatic baskets for the past couple of years and the bulbs seem to have done quite well. I was ill last autumn and some jobs were missed, including repotting my autumn flowering pleiones. The saxicola, praecox and maculata do not seemed to have minded, although the maculata are now packed so thickly that the flower buds are struggling for room. Sadly my Confirmation have had a set back. I think that the moss decayed too much and has remained too wet which upset my root growth and hence bulb size.
But although the saxicola have grown well I have one problem, the new shoots, that is the ones from last winter /spring, seemed to prefer to come out of the side of the basket rather than from the top. This is because the bulbs were not repotted and so were not neatly arranged on top of the compost. rather than disturb the new growth I spent several sessions creating holes in the side mesh to allow the shoot to grow and develop. I have just noticed what I think are flower buds starting to grow through these holes and so more chopping has just taken place.
Beneath the new bulbs there is just the first signs of a new root system. This suggests that I will not be able to "rest" these bulbs through the winter as next year's growth will be under way.
So here are the questions; What do you do with your autumn flowerers? Do you keep them moist or dry? What temperature do you keep them at? When do you repot?
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I too would like to know the best time to re-pot P.maculata. Mine have outgrown their pot this year contorting it with the size of the pseudobulbs. I am rather astounded by the size they have grown this year - see the second photo (£1 coin as comparison). Is this how big they should get because I have never had them grow so large or seen any this large. I have been growing them for a few years and had them flower on much smaller bulbs. Re potting has always been done very carefully but with much smaller bulbs and roots left in tact. Not sure I can do that this time as the roots will be long and tangled, so would like to know when the current roots will have died and how long I have before the new ones start to grow. I would like to re-pot them and separate them before the flower spikes get distorted trying to get between the bulbs if that's possible.
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I keep my saxicolas just slightly moist at around 10 °C in winter. If you want to repot, do it now if the new roots are still short. In my opinion the best time to repot any Pleione is when the new shoots have just started into growth.
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Thanks for that. This season's leaves are still green and healthy and I was under the impression that saxicola bulbs do a lot of their growing late in the season, but if I leave it much longer the new roots will be too long and they are the most important part.
Found another flower shoot trying to get through the mesh on the side of the pot today. Yet more cutting required! ;D
And Graham, I thought my maculata had done well this year, but those are huge!
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I've repotted my saxicola from a plastic pot into a pond basket last week while blossoming. I always try to avoid root damage when repotting, but I do believe the mature bulbs have enough food stored to enable the growth of new shoots.
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Really nice Khadija.
Might need to make space on a windowsill to give saxicola try. Will have to remove something else first. But What?
Graham
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P. saxicola is a terrestrial orchid. Can you see any difference between plants growing in pot or bowl and in pond basked?
K.
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When I first started with Pleione I lost a few, forrestii and saxicola to name but two. A few people suggested that I might try pond baskets, citing better drainage and increased aeration as possible advantages. I tried them and they seemed to work for me. My replacement forrestii built up into a good colony, until the winter of 10-11 did for them, the saxicola have bulked up, and gradually all my expensive and "difficult" pleiones have found their way into baskets.
I have also found that the sphagnum in which I grow most of pleione lasts longer in the baskets.
The disadvantage is that several new growths tunnel out the side, and that by the end of the summer the pots are joined together as the roots run between them, but the root growth is excellent.
It also helps that they can straight on my society's show display where "any colour as long as it is black" is the rule.
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Autumn bliss...
Pleione maculata
P. 'Confirmation'
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Lovely photos, Khadija - I've add the plant names to your text so the search machine can find them
:)
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Great, thank you Maggi!
I will keep in mind to add the name in future posts ;)
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My thanks to YOU! :-*
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hello,
VIRUS???? :o :o :o :o Fugi? ??? ??? ???
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hello,
VIRUS???? :o :o :o :o Fugi? ??? ??? ???
Looks like fungus to me, but I am not an expert.
As you can see on the picture some of my last year's bulbs were heavily infected.
This year I have sprayed Microsulfo every fortnight from July onwards. It smells like devil's dung and the residue doesn't look attractive on the plants, but is had paid off. Healthy bulbs this year, even Piton has no black spots at all, yay ;D
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Khadija - a question - the spraying has protected this year but what was the outcome of the affected bulbs you showed from last year? Were they lost /did you destroy them ? Or did they survive at all?
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Hi Julien,
I think there may be more than one problem here. At least some of this - certainly the last two photos in your post - is a disease called Colletotrichum gloeosporioides which is common on Pleiones. We sometimes call it "Black Pit Disease" because of the characteristic black depressions it causes on the bulbs, though this is not an official name. The best fungicide to use against this is one which contains the chemical chlorothalonil - I don't know if you have any such ones available to you. I know in the UK there are no amateur products any more which have this in. For professionals, there is Bravo 500.
If you cannot get this, then fungicides containing Myclobutanil also have some effect. In the Uk this can be got by amateurs as Systhane.
As Khadija has found, Sulphur cam also be effective if sprayed regularly.
The bulbs which show the large brown areas such as the third one down in your post could well be caused by the pest called Brevipalpus which has been much discussed in this forum. Oil based sprays offer the best control for this.
I hope you manage to get on top of these problems!
Paul
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Thank you very much Paul and Khadija ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm in agriculture, I have Bravo 500
did you dose used Paul?
regards
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Hi Julien,
The dose for bravo is 2.2ml in each litre of water. If you spray once a month through the growing season in future you should find that this disease is controlled very well. The disease is spread easily by water splashing the spores around, so a good husbandry approach is also to water carefully into the pots rather than getting all the leaves wet.
Paul
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Hi Julien,
there is very difficult to say what caused these damages of your plants, if you don't use any fungicide during a season. I regularly spray all my plants once a year in August.
I personally think this is not the problem caused by virus (if you didn't watch any symptoms on flowers). I think this is a fungal or a bacteriological infection or their combination. I agree with Paul about using the strong fungicide for stop and control a fungal infection, and I also recommend you to use a preparation contained copper for control a bacterial infection.
K.
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Khadija - a question - the spraying has protected this year but what was the outcome of the affected bulbs you showed from last year? Were they lost /did you destroy them ? Or did they survive at all?
I did not derstoy them. Anstice Harris was the one that worried me most, to my relief it has survived. They all grew nicely, but I lost Leda due to my negligence. I had some Pleiones growing in a room, Leda was one of them, and I forgot too many times to water them :-\
On the second picture you can still see the remains of the damaged Lhasa Blushes bulb, it has even produced two bulbils!
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Pleione 'Confirmation' flowering for the first time. Purchased in 2011 as a couple of small pseudobulbs.
There are three others still in leaf in the same pot and with flowers on the way.
Graham
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Hi Julien,
The dose for bravo is 2.2ml in each litre of water. If you spray once a month through the growing season in future you should find that this disease is controlled very well. The disease is spread easily by water splashing the spores around, so a good husbandry approach is also to water carefully into the pots rather than getting all the leaves wet.
Paul
Thank you very much Paul
I will use the Systhane, as it will in the sap of the plant,
Bravo 500 remains on the leaves without penetrating into the sap.
I applied for a product Brevipalpus, how long should I wait to apply?
sorry for my bad english ::)
Regards
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Hi Julien,
I found your photos, what you showed here in April: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11294.150 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11294.150)
I'm convinced, you have viral plants in your collection. So, I recommend you to test your last posted plants for virus. Sorry for a disappointing information.
K.
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Finally Pleione 'Confirmation' has lost all mature leaves so you can see the flowers.
the other one, just out, is Pleione Liz Shan 'Pretty Girl'
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Pleione maculata :)
I can't tell you how pleased I am with this years flowering.
It's taken a long time to get to decent bulbs and 16 flowers. It may look better in a few days when the final leaves have fallen off.
Re-potted today
Graham
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Very nice, congrats!!!
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Very nice, congrats!!!
Many thanks Khadija
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Pleione maculata :)
I can't tell you how pleased I am with this years flowering.
It's taken a long time to get to decent bulbs and 16 flowers. It may look better in a few days when the final leaves have fallen off.
Re-potted today
Graham
Really nice Graham 8)
Angie :)
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Graham,
that's very nice, well done. :) :) :)
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Thanks Angie and Maren :)
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Nice maculata ;)
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Pleione maculata -a twin flowered pseudobulb:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3927/15284936277_e36ea5a657_o.jpg)
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You've excelled yourself with that photo, Steve - so much depth - fairly leaping off the screen with 3D fizz! I just love this pleione maculata
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I agree with Maggi.
Excellent captured, bravo!!!
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Hi Steve,
I don't know what I like better, the photograph or the pleione. Wonderful both. How did you take the picture?
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Many thanks everyone!
Not as impressive as Graham's pot of maculata!!! :P (I couldn't find a drool smiley)
Maren, the plant (in its pot) was placed in front of a large piece of bogwood outside in (lowish)afternoon sun. The pot and bogwood were "dressed" with fresh sphagnum from a container bog garden. The image was taken on a Canon 7D using a Sigma 150mm macro lens (f18; 1/640s @ ISO800) handheld.
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Thanks, Steve. Now i also admire your steady hands. ;) ;) ;)
Interesting you chose ISO 800. Why was that?
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ISO 800 was the lowest ISO setting that allowed a reasonable shutter speed but more importantly also a narrow aperture to increase depth of field. The Canon 7D handles noise reasonably well so there is not a quality issue -at least for material destined for display on the web.
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Fantastic photo Steve.
One of the best I've seen,
David
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the plant (in its pot) was placed in front of a large piece of bogwood outside in (lowish)afternoon sun.
You have sun in the afternoon in Fife? ;D Now I'm really envious. ;)
Stunning photo too....
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Pleione x lagenaria
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/P1070673_zpse8daca8c.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/P1070673_zpse8daca8c.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/P1070674_zps8af41778.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/P1070674_zps8af41778.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/P1070675_zpsd1646aba.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/P1070675_zpsd1646aba.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/P1070677_zpsda6399a2.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/P1070677_zpsda6399a2.jpg.html)
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Hi Julien, stunning plants, however, may I ask you why did you cut off the leaves?
K.
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Pleione saxicola flowering here now.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3944/15401378890_7fa918115d_o.jpg)
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Another stunning photo Steve and of course a stunning Pleione 8)
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Hi I have recently bought three P. barcena, I grow other orchids, but have never tried these before could I have some advice please. I have potted them up in orchid potting compost (bark) and the pot is one of the aquatic pots that I use for my other orchids. Thanks john
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Hi John,
Pleione Barcena is a hybrid of P. formosana and P. praecox. The latter normally flowers in late autumn and this characteristic has been inherited by the hybrid. Also, it likes it a little warmer than spring flowering pleiones, which are quite happy with anything above freezing in winter. I keep mine at a minimum temperature of 5-8°C.
Also like P. praecox, it does not have a distinct dormancy, just a little rest, when there is still life in the roots. For that reason, I don't cut them off after flowering but just trim them a little and re-pot immediately. Compost needs to be kept just damp until new leaves start to grow.
Hope that helps. For general pleione cultivation advice, take a look at my website. :) :) :)
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Hi maren thanks for the advice it's much appreciated.
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Pleione x lagenaria and Pleione Confirmation :D
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/IMG_8268_zpse522ff0c.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/IMG_8268_zpse522ff0c.jpg.html)
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p675/pleione07/IMG_8269_zpsf7153726.jpg) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/pleione07/media/IMG_8269_zpsf7153726.jpg.html)
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Hi maren I have taken a look at your website, it's a really great site. You have opened my eyes about the perlite, when I mix my compost I always put a mask on so I don't breath in the dust, but I didn't know about it sinking to the bottom of the pot, I'll wash it from now on. The compost mix you use with the sphagnum moss included could that be used for other orchids? I grow Dendrobium, Cattleya, cymbidium, Paphiopedilum & Phalaenopsis & now Pleione can be added to the list. I had a look at them today, one of the flower buds is showing above the compost :)
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Wow Julien, nice pot of plants!
Mine have stopped flowering now. The only one at the moment is Pleione 'Slender Loris' :
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And another picture of 'Slender Loris'.
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Hi JohnSteven,
glad you find my website informative.
Oh, that dusty perlite! Like you, I used to wear a mask, but that's so cumbersome - the water treatment is much easier.
Regarding compost. I wouldn't bother using pleione compost for your other orchids. Medium bark and perlite is quite sufficient. The moss retains too much water for most tropical orchids. :)
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Ok maren thanks for the advice.
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Pleione Barcena with petal tips deformed due to unknown reason.
Could it be too much draft, low humidity perhaps ???
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Loverly Pleione Barcena Khadija, I'm really looking forward to my plants flowering.
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The first of my autumn flowering ones is P. praecox reichenbachiana. The first flower is open and there are still three buds. It's a new aquisition, thus the flower is not my merit. Mr. Schreiner, from whom I bought it, has one with six flowers out of one bulb.
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It's a beauty Ulrich
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hello friends,
some time ago I could get a wonderful Pleione
from a buddy in a german Pleione forum.
he grew it to a strong bulb, which now makes 2 stems with 3 flowers.
Pleione Lassen Peak 'Ebbi'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20141115-164404-663.jpg)
enjoy
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That is beautiful Goofy! Lovely colouring. :)
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Hallo Goofy,
that's curious, I think I have received the same from Ebbie. It made two bulbs but they are much smaller than those of the clone I got from Mr. Röllich and I'm afraid they won't flower this year.
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hello friends,
this picture shows the 3 flowers...................
Pleione Lassen Peak 'Ebbi'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20141116-085254-167.jpg)
enjoy
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Very nice, definitely one for my wish list! :D
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Pleione maculata
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My first autumn/winter flowering Pleione - Wharfedale 'Pine Warbler'
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The first of my autumn flowering ones is P. praecox reichenbachiana. The first flower is open and there are still three buds. It's a new aquisition, thus the flower is not my merit. Mr. Schreiner, from whom I bought it, has one with six flowers out of one bulb.
Mine is a new acquisition too, but such a beauty deserves to be captured on camera multiple times ;D
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Pleione praecox var. reichenbachiana has such a pretty, frilled lip and the colour is lovely - who could resist making photos of these flowers?
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I must agree with you both. It is stunning!
regards,
Gregor
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One of the easiest and fastest growing winter flowering hybrids.
Decent sized bulbs will have at least two growths and flowers.
They are always welcome around christmas time.
This is the first of 2 pans flowering in the house, the second is in the greenhouse 'on hold' so that they don't both flower together.
The petals have a more rosy hue than my camera can capture.
David
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A glorious potful, David ! :o :o
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Thank you all for your useful contributions in this year, and wish you the nice growing season 2015.
Karel
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hello friends,
Happy New Pleione Year :)
this is my first this year,
Pleione humilis
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150208-150525-648.jpg)
enjoy