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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Hagen Engelmann on January 09, 2014, 07:12:43 PM
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Yes, it is Eranthis time, again.
Several types show their noses above the ground.
Here is my little "green" favourite: ANDENKEN AN JOHANNES RASCHKE.
He has a sulphur or citrus yellow friend on his side: UCKROER FRÜHLINGSSONNE (picture saturday).
But also the very early WINTERZAUBER starts to bloom (picture sunday).
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Lovely!
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Agreed, I want ;D
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Hagen,
you're trying to make me drool, aren't you ;)
In flower/in bud over here now:
Eranthis hyemalis 'Moonlight'
Eranthis hyemalis 'Winterzauber'
and Eranthis hyemalis.
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Wim,
Glad to see your Eranthis flowering,they look superb. :)
Hagen,
Wow! ::) ??? ::) :'(
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I expect to have E. hiemalis flowering in my potting shed in a few years. A tray full of seed was perched precariously on an empty bucket but knocked over when a certain sometime helper in the nursery was putting an extra table in the shed, for me to use for tidying plants prior to packing, rather than having to clear potting mix off that table. Of course the whole lot spilled onto the floor which is covered in gravel (HIS shed has a concrete florr >:() I retrieved what I could but a lot is still left, among the stones. I'll have to water them and see what hapens come germination time. The tray had been there for a couple of months instead of being taken outside so I suppose it was my own fault. :'( :'( :'(
This pale eranthis i(above) s beautiful. We have only the regular yellow and the orangey form here and so far as I know, no other species at all, maybe someone has cilicicus. Judging from the pics above, perhaps over time the range will include all the forms and colours present in Ran. ficaria. :-\
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Wim
you're trying to make me drool, aren't you
, that picture of Moonlight is gorgeous :P
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in the last daylight of friday:
UCKROER FRÜHLINGSSONNE
WINTERZAUBER
Wim, I find we have to see MOONLIGHT, UF, but also ZITRONENFALTER, side by side to learn something about the differences.
The last both are here already......
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Wim, I find we have to see MOONLIGHT, UF, but also ZITRONENFALTER, side by side to learn something about the differences.
The last both are here already......
Yes, you should add PAULINE to that list, it's similar too. Have that one here too, but it's not out yet.
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I could possibly start another "obsession" but in truth I know little about Eranthis. I'm building a small patch of E. hiemalis from plants picked up from wherever I can get one and it's coming on nicely but today we visited The Duchy of Cornwall Nurseries near Lostwithiel and I picked up a nice pot of E. cilicica. The thing is how do I tell this apart from hiemalis please (it had a lovely scent too and that came as a surprise to me).
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David, with us it's easy - cilicica is the one that dies pretty fast in our garden!
A more useful answer may be to watch out at the end of this month for the new issie if - issue of ( even!) the IRG .....
all will be revealed...... 8)
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Cheers Maggi.
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Pending the latest issue of IRG, E. cilicia is much later flowering than E. hiemelis.
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ANDENKEN AN JOHANNES RASCHKE again.
Fine structure of the inners.
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ANDENKEN AN JOHANNES RASCHKE again.
Fine structure of the inners.
:o :o :o :o :o :o "DROOL" "DROOL"
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In garden centres I find E. cilicica is more common. Maybe the trade is more geared to the later flowering species when the public are waking up to spring flowers.
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We've found that Eranthis claiming to be cilicica in garden centres usually turn out to be E. hyemalis.
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I've found the opposite, cilicia claiming to be hyemalis, although this was a sales tent rather than a garden centre.
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I must admit if they are finely divided reddish leaves as they open I have taken the labels at face value, although often no specific species is labelled. What are the chances of hyemalis having such leaves? Mine in the garden are always green as they appear and quite coarse in comparison. I don't know how much they vary in the wild.
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Eranthis pinnatifida, in a frame, always very early flowering. Outside on the raised bed it is in bud.
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Very nice Cyril!!!
I had forgotten how attractive this wee Eranthis is!
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Very nice, Cyril. Does it struggle to survive outside? Can you cross-breed it with other Eranthis species?
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The new IRG is online a little early - http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Jan291391022895IRG49.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Jan291391022895IRG49.pdf) - with Wim's article on Eranthis 8)
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The new IRG is online a little early - http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Jan291391022895IRG49.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Jan291391022895IRG49.pdf) - with Wim's article on Eranthis 8)
Brilliant ;D
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Very nice, Cyril. Does it struggle to survive outside? Can you cross-breed it with other Eranthis species?
Alan, despite its miniature size, it seems quite tough outside, having survived for at least 8 years. I note I got my original 3 bulbs from Kath Dryden in 1994. After successful pollination, I raised several plants some of which are now in the raised bed.
Eranthis stellata and E. sibirica seem to be closely related so it is possible that E. pinnatifida might cross breed with these. I only got E. stellata last year but it is just above ground now and I don't grow E. sibirica.
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Eranthis pinnatifida, in a frame, always very early flowering. Outside on the raised bed it is in bud.
What a stunning pot Cyril !! Farrer worthy I suppose !!
Many congrats to Wim with the Eranthis article in the IRG !!!
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Many congrats to Wim with the Eranthis article in the IRG !!!
Thanks, Luke :)
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Brilliant ;D
What an excellent and profound article! Congratulations!
Gerd
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A most excellent article indeed Wim!!!
It now has me interested in a genus I have always neglected in the past!
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In my introduction to the latest IRG (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4850.msg292583#msg292583) I made reference to a super post in the Blog of Carolyn Walker about Eranthis naturalising in quantitiy - here is http://carolynsshadegardens.com/2012/02/21/a-wonder-of-nature/ (http://[url=http://carolynsshadegardens.com/2012/02/21/a-wonder-of-nature/)] the direct link[/url] to Carolyn's post.
Carolyn tells me that the cultivar ‘Lightning’ was actually selected from the park that she profiled in her post --- "small world" , she said - isn't it just!
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Most of my Eranthis except Guinea Gold have died out despite setting masses of seeds
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Brilliant ;D
Thanks, Brian!
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What an excellent and profound article! Congratulations!
Gerd
Thanks, Gerd!
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A most excellent article indeed Wim!!!
It now has me interested in a genus I have always neglected in the past!
Thanks, Steve! You'll become addicted in no time. ;)
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Most of my Eranthis except Guinea Gold have died out despite setting masses of seeds
Any idea as to why, Mark? They set seed, but did you ever see young seedlings?
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The common Eranthis hyemalis are happily naturalising at the bottom of my garden in an area too dry for much to grow in summer. This year I have my first flowering seedlings of the pale yellow form (either Pauline or Schwefelglanz, I forget which) and these are coming broadly true to their parent. Could yours be too wet, Mark, because they manifestly don't mind ground that can be bone-dry in summer.
Fabulous article by Wim B, by the way.
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Excellent article, Wim. I suddenly feel a strong need to grow more of these lovely spring flowers.
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The new "IRG" is wonderful - and a treat to have it a day early. I think I could easily become an eranthiphile if they were readily available. Eranthis hyemalis has naturalized wonderfully here and spread itself right over the front cliff (which is not as steep as the garden cliff). Periodically I dig up a clump in full bloom and plant it nearby to increase the spread. This seems to work very well. But I had to laugh reading that Jan.9th marked the beginning of the eranthis season - lucky people. The season here is still a long, long way off.
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The common Eranthis hyemalis are happily naturalising at the bottom of my garden in an area too dry for much to grow in summer. This year I have my first flowering seedlings of the pale yellow form (either Pauline or Schwefelglanz, I forget which) and these are coming broadly true to their parent. Could yours be too wet, Mark, because they manifestly don't mind ground that can be bone-dry in summer.
Fabulous article by Wim B, by the way.
Thanks Alan! When they are in rest they don't mind being dry indeed, although they withstand our rainy summers too. Show some pics of the pale yellow ones when they're in flower and I'll let you know if they are 'Pauline' or 'Schwefelglanz'....it's particularly clear from the difference of nectaries.
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Excellent article, Wim. I suddenly feel a strong need to grow more of these lovely spring flowers.
Thanks Gunilla! Once addicted, you can't be cured! ;)
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The new "IRG" is wonderful - and a treat to have it a day early. I think I could easily become an eranthiphobe if they were readily available. Eranthis hyemalis has naturalized wonderfully here and spread itself right over the front cliff (which is not as steep as the garden cliff). Periodically I dig up a clump in full bloom and plant it nearby to increase the spread. This seems to work very well. But I had to laugh reading that Jan.9th marked the beginning of the eranthis season - lucky people. The season here is still a long, long way off.
I hope you mean an Eranthophile instead of an Eranthiphobe ;) No "specials" amongst your naturalized groups?
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Excellent article Wim, really enjoyed reading it, many thanks.
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Best, Wim!!!
And with UCKROER FRÜHLINGSSONNE we hand over the next cultivar to you.
Good work, Thank you so much
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Excellent study work of a real (Eranthis) expert, congratulations Wim ! After Valentin Wijnen and Jozef Lemmens a new Belgian contribution/article where we can be proud of. As a 'reward' some Eranthis hyemalis images from today in the open garden:
. 'Euan Bunclark'
. 'Orange Glow'
. 'Schwefelglanz'
. 'Winterzauber'
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Brilliant ;D
Wim,
Your passion and knowledge of these winter beauties is mind blowing.Thankyou.I was so engrossed in it, i missed a eBay auction :( and saved lots of money ;D.Thanks again.
Steve
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I think, I said this before, a great job, Wim!
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I thoroughly enjoyed reading your excellent article in the IRG, Wim. I have read there was variation in Eranthis pinnatifida but it was wonderful to see these variations in pictures, especially the pink ones.
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I think, I said this before, a great job, Wim!
Why Yes!! The VRV Editor knows a good thing when he sees it, eh??!! ;)
Great to be able to share Wim's article which began in the VRV Journal with a wider audience 8)
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....I was so engrossed in it, i missed a eBay auction :( and saved lots of money ;D.
That really did make me Laugh Out-Loud, Steve.
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Best, Wim!!!
And with UCKROER FRÜHLINGSSONNE we hand over the next cultivar to you.
Good work, Thank you so much
Thanks, Hagen....next to 'Uckroer Frühlingssonne' there's another new one too, called 'Barbara' but I'll let the one who named, write about that here first.
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Wim,
Your passion and knowledge of these winter beauties is mind blowing.Thankyou.I was so engrossed in it, i missed a eBay auction :( and saved lots of money ;D.Thanks again.
Steve
LOL, Steve ;D ;D Maybe you can spend the saved money on a few special Eranthis ;)
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Thanks for the compliments, guys...you're gonna make me blush ;)
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Mojmír Martan in the Brno Rock Club journal has been writing about Eranthis, too -
http://skalnicky-brno.cz/doc/69skalnickaruv_rok.pdf (http://skalnicky-brno.cz/doc/69skalnickaruv_rok.pdf) :)
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At last, you've done it! Wim :)
My first eranthis flower of this season has just opened today. Eranthis pinnatifida. Ryokami, Ogano-machi, Saitama.
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My first eranthis flower of this season has just opened today. Eranthis pinnatifida. Ryokami, Ogano-machi, Saitama.
That is so pretty :D
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I definitely enjoyed Mr. Boens edifying and interesting article in the January IRG.
I do have one question. Has anyone had success germinating Eranthis seed that has been stored at "room-temperature" for more than a few weeks? If so, how?
Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, but it would be useful for me if I could get germination from older Eranthis seed.
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LOL, Steve ;D ;D Maybe you can spend the saved money on a few special Eranthis ;)
I would love to spend the money on Eranthis,But they are incredibly hard to find.
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At last, you've done it! Wim :)
My first eranthis flower of this season has just opened today. Eranthis pinnatifida. Ryokami, Ogano-machi, Saitama.
:o :o :o What a treasure Tatsuo ! So delicate , so beautiful .
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Tatsuo, beautiful.
E. pinnatifida in the open garden yesterday. Despite the very mild temperatures (Where's Winter ?) is pinnatifida more than three week later than last year ! It's like Ian Young says in his Bulb Log: it isn't just the temperature alone that let the plants awake !
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Mooie foto van een heel mooie groep Freddy!
Ik vind de eranthissen ook wel erg leuk... ,gelukkig nog niet zoveel cultivars als bij galanthus
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Thanks, Brian and Kris :) That plant is grown from wild collected seed. Last spring I went to an alpine nursery and chose several seedlings with deep purple anthers from several hundreds pots ;)
Fred, your pinnatifida plants look at home. Well grown :D
Here is Eranthis pinnatifida, from Yoshida, Chichibu-shi, Saitama.
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That plant is grown from wild collected seed. Last spring I went to an alpine nursery and chose several seedlings with deep purple anthers from several hundreds pots ;)
Oh my word! The excitement would have been too much for me :o :o 8)
I would also now be bankrupt! ;D
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Oh my word! The excitement would have been too much for me :o :o 8)
I would also now be bankrupt! ;D
No, you would never be bankrupt, Maggi ;) The eranthis seedling pots are JPY800- each at the nursery.
If you got 10 bulbs and each bulbs put 4 flowers and set 20 seeds in capsules... you got 10 x 4 x 20 = 800 seeds!
Then, you only have to wait 3 or 4 years to see hundreds flowers at your home ;D ;D ;D
In any way, I was very lucky that got an oppotunity to select good flowers from a range of seedlings.
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someone should start importing dormant tubers of Eranthis pinnatifida. I would would definitely buy them
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I hope you mean an Eranthophile instead of an Eranthiphobe ;) No "specials" amongst your naturalized groups?
Of course I meant "phile" and not "phobe".
The photo is of Eranthis hyemalis whose spread is now measured in yards, not feet.
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When Eranthis naturalise they seem to do so in a particularly neat fashion - making clumps but not in an overcrowded fashion - still allowing each blossom to be seen to advantage. With Iris reticulata, for instance, they tend to clump into dense groups that squash individual flowers so it is hard to appreciate the real glory of the flowers. Eranthis seem not to do that, even when one sees huge drifts that have naturalised over a large area and a long time.
A real "plus ponit" in my book
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Maggi, you're so right about the Iris reticulata. It has driven me to divide some of them because they became a forest of leaves and it was difficult to see the flowers. I've divided them while in flower and it seemed to work fine. It always seems that at that time things are programmed to grow no matter what you do to them. At least the plants I've tried this with have been very forgiving.
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Hi Wim ,
first my congratulations to your wonderful article :D
You ask : "No "specials" amongst your naturalized groups?"
Yes ...I do have some specials ;D
One is a light yellow ( I called it "Barbara" after my wife - because she found it ) -sorry until no pic
The other is a semi plena form ( until unnamed ) - here are pics from last year :
Hans
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Wim my plants hyemalis and cilicicus both set seeds that were self sown and also spread by me. I say seedlings come up but after the first true leaf they disappeared.
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I really enjoyed your article Wim.
Thank you for pointing us in the right direction Maggi.
I'm going to be terribly hook on these little beauties if I'm not careful..... ::) ;D
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I definitely enjoyed Mr. Boens edifying and interesting article in the January IRG.
I do have one question. Has anyone had success germinating Eranthis seed that has been stored at "room-temperature" for more than a few weeks? If so, how?
Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, but it would be useful for me if I could get germination from older Eranthis seed.
Hi Robert,
like almost all Ranunculaceae the seeds are ephemeral, you need to sow them as early as possible. If you get old/dry seeds you should soak them for 24h in lukewarm water and sow them then. You'll get some germination in the following couple of years.
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Tatsuo, beautiful.
E. pinnatifida in the open garden yesterday. Despite the very mild temperatures (Where's Winter ?) is pinnatifida more than three week later than last year ! It's like Ian Young says in his Bulb Log: it isn't just the temperature alone that let the plants awake !
Wonderful Freddy. Here they are just showing themselves, also quite a bit later than last year.
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One is a light yellow ( I called it "Barbara" after my wife - because she found it ) -sorry until no pic
The other is a semi plena form ( until unnamed ) - here are pics from last year :
Hans
Very beautiful semi-plena, Hans. Very nice shape. Curious for a pic of 'Barbara' (the plant, not your wife ;) ;) )
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Wim my plants hyemalis and cilicicus both set seeds that were self sown and also spread by me. I say seedlings come up but after the first true leaf they disappeared.
That's strange, never seen that happen before...not even in places where they get really dry during summer. Maybe a disease...fungal infection :-\
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Very beautiful semi-plena, Hans. Very nice shape. Curious for a pic of 'Barbara' (the plant, not your wife ;) ;) )
Thank you Wim :D
here are a pictures of a Eranthis ex Italy ( Pollino mts.- Calabria regione )
I have received a piece of the original plant ( same clone ) from a very nice person ;)
This plant is now in my greenhouse ...I have it selfed today and so I hope I can get some seeds ( there no other Eranthis in my greenhouse)
We (Wim and I ) have the feeling that those plants from italy are a little earlier than other E.hyemalis ( p.e.Winterzauber )
I have also a other Eranthis from italian orgin ( but from Veneto regione )...it looks very similar like Winterzauber
Hans
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Hi Robert,
like almost all Ranunculaceae the seeds are ephemeral, you need to sow them as early as possible. If you get old/dry seeds you should soak them for 24h in lukewarm water and sow them then. You'll get some germination in the following couple of years.
Wim
Thank you so much!
All I need is to have a few seeds germinate. We are extremely isolated here, with no source for buying established plants. I think that I might have some seed arriving from the NARGS seed exchange and can give the method a try.
Thank so much again!
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like almost all Ranunculaceae the seeds are ephemeral, you need to sow them as early as possible. If you get old/dry seeds you should soak them for 24h in lukewarm water and sow them then. You'll get some germination in the following couple of years.
Thank you from me, also. I just received exciting (for me) Eranthis seed from SRGC seed exchange, I hope I get some seeds to germinate. :)
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Eranthis pinnatifida, from Nariwa, Takahashi-shi, Okayama. This is someting different from normal one, sepals are narrower and increased.
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Eranthis from seed,
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With the Eranthis hyemalis cultivars, how much attention is paid to distinguishing the parent from its seedlings? My 'Schwefelglanz' has now produced some seedlings which, to my inexperienced eyes, look the same as the parent. But coming to Eranthis by way of Galanthus I would not dare to call them 'Schwefelglanz' even when they appear to have 'come true'.
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Some of them do come true and I think (?) 'Schwefelglanz' is one, however, talking to Joe on Sunday he said that my 'Euan Bunclerk' seedlings would probably only have 5% coming true.
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The question of cultivars breeding true and the consequent naming of their progeny is one that causes quite a bit of confusion. :P
There used to be guidelines which said that if the resultant seedlings showed a comparison to the cutlivar of =/- 10 per cent , then they could carry the cultivar name - that was clearly a rather problematic rule, since it would only take a few of generations for the seedlings to be a LONG WAY from the original cultivar and still be being given that name. :-X :-\
I'm not sure what the "rule" is now - perhaps the answer may lie somewhere in the 206 pages of this paper :
INTERNATIONAL CODE OF NOMENCLATURE FOR CULTIVATED PLANTS (ICNCP or Cultivated Plant Code) incorporating the Rules and Recommendations for naming plants in cultivation -
http://www.actahort.org/chronica/pdf/sh_10.pdf (http://www.actahort.org/chronica/pdf/sh_10.pdf) - I don't know, I haven't time to study it!
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............................................... I don't know, I haven't time to study it!
Why ever not? :P ;D
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Why ever not? :P ;D
I made a New Year's Resolution not to spend more than twelve hours a day on SRGC "Stuff" - am trying hard to stick to it! :-X
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Rules are one thing but I was more interested in what the people who distribute these cultivars do. If I buy a Schwefelglanz, can I be sure it has been propagated by division of the original corm or could it be a seedling that looked similar?
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I had never noticed before quite how tall Eranthis hyemalis plants are capable of growing. ~10 cm + 7.6 cm for the case of the tape measure.
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Rules are one thing but I was more interested in what the people who distribute these cultivars do. If I buy a Schwefelglanz, can I be sure it has been propagated by division of the original corm or could it be a seedling that looked similar?
Alan,
I'm not much into rules either. In my world I can do whatever I like. When saving seed for seed exchanges I often designate my seed as F2 ,F3. etc as to how far removed the seed line is removed from the original cultivar. I sometimes put a lot of effort into creating a stable, true breeding strain out of a clonal cultivar. An example is Lupinus albifrons; the best forms are rooted from cuttings. It is easy to inbreed lupines and generally a stable strain can be created without a lot of effort.
I'm somewhat vexed that when I offer, and label as such, a true breeding line, that the seed is not label as such in the seed list. It is very different from open pollinated non-isolated seed.
Home gardener as well as professionals seem to have all sorts of different practices. This is fine. However, it can be very helpful to know if you are getting a clone, a seed strain or something else.
Good luck.
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As far as the rules go:
"2.12 An assemblage of individual plants grown from seed derived from uncontrolled pollination may form a cultivar when it meets the criteria laid down in Art. 2.3 and when it can be distinguished consistently by one or more characters even though the individual plants of the assemblage may not necessarily be genetically uniform. " "for example: Ex. 9. When seed is sown of the yellow-fruited cultivar Viburnum opulus ‘Xanthocarpum’, a proportion of the resulting seedlings is indistinguishable from the parent plant; such progeny is to be treated as being part of the same cultivar."
Anyhow, some Eranthis come 100% true from seed (like Schwefelglanz', 'Hafod' and 'Moonlight') and the seedlings are sold as being the same cultivar. Others in other percentages (Like 'Euan Bunclark' (5%) and 'Zitronenfalter' (50%)), and the seedlings that came true of those are sold as the same cultivar too.
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Well, I know my seeds of 'Euan Bunclark' are from a really reliable source, so I shall make sure that if none come true (there were only a few seeds) they are not passed on. It will be a pity as I know a couple of people who would have been delighted with a little present. I obviously need to get seed of 'Moonlight' as I have not seen plants for sale.
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A general question :
Is Eranthis hyemalis self fertil ?
Thanks
Hans
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Thank you from me, also. I just received exciting (for me) Eranthis seed from SRGC seed exchange, I hope I get some seeds to germinate. :)
Leena, there is still hope :) Two years ago I had successful germination of Eranthis hyemalis Aurantica from the SRGC seed exchange. I achieved about 50% germination the first year and I didn't soak the seeds. The pots were placed in an unprotected outdoor seed frame where they got lots of rain.
Poul
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From Alan B : Rules are one thing but I was more interested in what the people who distribute these cultivars do.
A question that a great many of us pose regarding lots of other plants too - snowdrops come to mind - and hellebores -and and and ! ::)
From Robert: I'm somewhat vexed that when I offer, and label as such, a true breeding line, that the seed is not label as such in the seed list. It is very different from open pollinated non-isolated seed.
I can well understand such frustration, Robert. I think that perhaps the seed reception managers can have trouble in determining when such provenance is reliable so prefer to take a wider "lumping " approach. :-X
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Wim, thank you for boosting interest in Eranthis with your excellent IRG article.
Right now I have Eranthis hyemalis and pinnatifida in flower.
Last year I replanted pinnatifida in lattice pots in the garden, to be able to bring them in the green house to get a better pollination. Until now they have been planted directly in the garden. They flower well there but have only set seed one time in about 5 years.
Poul
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Right now I have Eranthis hyemalis and pinnatifida in flower.
Last year I replanted pinnatifida in lattice pots in the garden, to be able to bring them in the green house to get a better pollination. Until now they have been planted directly in the garden. They flower well there but have only set seed one time in about 5 years.
Poul
That's a good point , Poul - there is often a good reason to have such plants under cover in certain climates - not merely for survival but, as you say, to get better pollination and seed set.
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A question that a great many of us pose regarding lots of other plants too - snowdrops come to mind - and hellebores -and and and ! ::)
Viz a viz hellebores; many in circulation now are from micropropagation, e.g. 'Anna's Red'. Where they are from seed then they shouldn't have a cultivar name. I like the Ashwood approach who sell their Helleborus x hybridus as Ashwood Garden Hybrids - no single quotation marks, hence not a cultivar name.
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A general question :
Is Eranthis hyemalis self fertil ?
Thanks
Hans
Hans,
My guess is that E. hyemalis is self fertile. They do not appear to be apomixis. If some clones come 100% true from seed, without apomixis, then they must be self fertile and a lot of inbreeding has gone on.
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Hans,
My guess is that E. hyemalis is self fertile. They do not appear to be apomixis. If some clones come 100% true from seed, without apomixis, then they must be self fertile and a lot of inbreeding has gone on.
Many thanks Robert ,
I have a similar idea ...
Now I'm testing this theory ...in my greenhouse is a E.hyemalis ( isolated ) and I pollinate it every day ...we will see !
Best wishes
Hans
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Don't you think we all get carried away by "name/taxon collecting"? I'm seriously thinking about removing all the name tags from plants in my garden. So a rather nice snowdrop will just be "Snowdrop" and a rather nice Hellebore with pink spotting will be just that and maybe next to another that just happens to be yellow. Save a fortune on labels and stress as a result of blackbirds chucking labels about.
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Is Eranthis hyemalis self fertil ?
Anyhow, some Eranthis come 100% true from seed (like Schwefelglanz', 'Hafod' and 'Moonlight')
So what happens if you cross, say, 'Hafod' with 'Moonlight'? I guess the seed parent could always beat the pollen parent or is it that these Eranthis are much more likely to be self-fertile than to be pollinated by a different variety, which is what makes them likely to come true.
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Leena, there is still hope :) Two years ago I had successful germination of Eranthis hyemalis Aurantica from the SRGC seed exchange. I achieved about 50% germination the first year and I didn't soak the seeds. The pots were placed in an unprotected outdoor seed frame where they got lots of rain.
Thank you Poul. :)
I soaked the seeds overnight, now the pots are inside in warm and I thought to take the pots outside after about a month. The temperatures in March are still freezing here most of the time, but I can cover the pots with snow and also many seeds like fluctuating temperatures, sometimes below freezing and sometimes warmer. I'm prepared to save the pots for another year. :)
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Hi Wim
i've just discovered your article, it's a wonderful job u've done.
I've learnt new things, dankje :D
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Don't you think we all get carried away by "name/taxon collecting"? I'm seriously thinking about removing all the name tags from plants in my garden. So a rather nice snowdrop will just be "Snowdrop" and a rather nice Hellebore with pink spotting will be just that and maybe next to another that just happens to be yellow. Save a fortune on labels and stress as a result of blackbirds chucking labels about.
You have a point, but personally I am fascinated by taxonomy (yes, I'm weird)! Take as look at this which I got from Tom Mitchell Tweet: http://t.co/CNayt5UVqv (http://t.co/CNayt5UVqv)
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But they would say that wouldn't they, vested interests strike again. No reason why the rest of us should put ourselves on the breadline buying more and more labels.
Wisdom expressed recently by my brother whilst showing him round a garden:- Me: "that's Galanthus Comet; that's Galnthus Merlin etc etc. Our Kid: "they're all bloody Snowdrops aren't they" ;D
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So what happens if you cross, say, 'Hafod' with 'Moonlight'? I guess the seed parent could always beat the pollen parent or is it that these Eranthis are much more likely to be self-fertile than to be pollinated by a different variety, which is what makes them likely to come true.
More guess work on my part....
Most Ranunculaceae are out breeders. Many, such as Aquilegia, will also accept their own pollen. With too much inbreeding it is a good idea to keep a look out for inbreeding depression, detrimental and lethal recessives, that sort of stuff.
When working with out breeders and making fertile x fertile crosses (i.e. an uncontrolled cross) I often get a mixture of selfs and out crossings. I see this all the time with Rhododendrons.
What goes on with Eranthis, I don't know, but I will be having fun finding out myself.
I can well understand such frustration, Robert. I think that perhaps the seed reception managers can have trouble in determining when such provenance is reliable so prefer to take a wider "lumping " approach. :-X
Maggi
I've been on both ends of the seed exchange system; donor and distribution. Maybe I don't like rules in my world but I do have a few:
1.) Be kind - near the top of the list!
2.) Have gratitude.
I'm thankful for all the seed I receive and I'm thankful for all the hard work that does into a seed exchange to make it work.
I've received some interest seed, such as the lepidote rhododendron seed that turn out to be some sort of a elepidote rhododendron. There have been many other unexpected surprises.
I like the saying of the Joy of Painting guy Bob Ross - "There are no mistakes only happy accidents".
With this in mind, I sow my seed, go the bed, and get a good night sleep.
Some say Bob Ross was a painter, maybe he was a Bodhisattva. :)
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A general question :
Is Eranthis hyemalis self fertil ?
Thanks
Hans
Yes, they are self-fertile!
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So what happens if you cross, say, 'Hafod' with 'Moonlight'? I guess the seed parent could always beat the pollen parent or is it that these Eranthis are much more likely to be self-fertile than to be pollinated by a different variety, which is what makes them likely to come true.
I have no idea what would happen if you tried that particular cross...only one way to find out!! ;) ;D
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Wim, thank you for boosting interest in Eranthis with your excellent IRG article.
Thanks, Poul!
Hi Wim
i've just discovered your article, it's a wonderful job u've done.
I've learnt new things, dankje :D
Thanks Yann!
Don't forget Maggi for doing such a wonderful job and the photographers for allowing me the use of their pictures!!
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new pictures of Eranthis hyemalis from Italy ( Regione Veneto )
this location is rough 700 km away from Mt. Pollino ( Regione Calabria )
have fun
Hans
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new pictures of Eranthis hyemalis from Italy ( Regione Veneto )
this location is rough 700 km away from Mt. Pollino ( Regione Calabria )
have fun
Hans
Lovely yellow flowers, Hans :D
Here is Eranthis pinnatifida, white flower form, from Bicchu, Takahashi-shi, Okayama-ken, Japan.
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Today in garden :D
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new pictures of Eranthis hyemalis from Italy ( Regione Veneto )
this location is rough 700 km away from Mt. Pollino ( Regione Calabria )
have fun
Hans
Nice Italian forms, Hans :)
Lovely yellow flowers, Hans :D
Here is Eranthis pinnatifida, white flower form, from Bicchu, Takahashi-shi, Okayama-ken, Japan.
Love that complete white one, Tatsuo
Today in garden :D
:o :o Wow, that's how it should look like, Uwe!!
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Beautiful flowers and forms. Wim, you have done a great job, fantastic article.
First time I see the flowers in my Eranthis pinnatifida alba form.
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Beautiful flowers and forms. Wim, you have done a great job, fantastic article.
First time I see the flowers in my Eranthis pinnatifida alba form.
Thanks, Karl. Wonderful form...I've got seedling of it, only 2 years old, so it'll be a couple of years before I can enjoy it too!
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Just catching up a bit-cracking article Wim, well done.
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Just catching up a bit-cracking article Wim, well done.
Thanks, David!
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Curious for a pic of 'Barbara' (the plant, not your wife ;) ;)
Hi Wim ,
here is now a pic of 'Barbara' ...the Eranthis - not my wife :D
Eranthis 'Barbara'
Eranthis - comparison : left 'Schwefelglanz' -middle 'Barbara' - right a "normal E.hyemalis"
It is really difficould for cameras to make all the differences of yellow ...but with this picture is it a bit more clear
I do not have Zitronenfalter and the other light yellows ...but for me is clear a difference between all my other Eranthis
Hans
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When you see them next to each other there is a clear difference Hans :)
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Hi Wim ,
here is now a pic of 'Barbara' ...the Eranthis - not my wife :D
Eranthis 'Barbara'
Eranthis - comparison : left 'Schwefelglanz' -middle 'Barbara' - right a "normal E.hyemalis"
It is really difficould for cameras to make all the differences of yellow ...but with this picture is it a bit more clear
I do not have Zitronenfalter and the other light yellows ...but for me is clear a difference between all my other Eranthis
Hans
Hi Hans,
looks really special. I have a feeling 'Zitronenfalter' is a bit paler and 'Lightning' is more bright....Barbara's colour seems somewhere in between. Very nice!
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First time I see the flowers in my Eranthis pinnatifida alba form.
Very good form, Karl :D Probably you will have several ten albino seedlings next spring ;)
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When you see them next to each other there is a clear difference Hans :)
Thank you Brian !
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Hi Hans,
looks really special. I have a feeling 'Zitronenfalter' is a bit paler and 'Lightning' is more bright....Barbara's colour seems somewhere in between. Very nice!
Hi Wim ,
thank you for your comment ;)
It seems I need urgent Zironenfalter + Lightning for comparison
Hans
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I’ve found an interesting article about Eranthis byunsanensis and its relatives. Perhaps someone already mentioned before…
Taxonomic Status and Genetic Variation of Korean Endemic Plants, Eranthis byunsanensis and Eranthis pungdoensis (Ranunculaceae) based on nrDNA ITS and cpDNA Sequences
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12374-011-9201-8 (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12374-011-9201-8)
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I’ve found an interesting article about Eranthis byunsanensis and its relatives. Perhaps someone already mentioned before…
Taxonomic Status and Genetic Variation of Korean Endemic Plants, Eranthis byunsanensis and Eranthis pungdoensis (Ranunculaceae) based on nrDNA ITS and cpDNA Sequences
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12374-011-9201-8 (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12374-011-9201-8)
Just to note that this paper is available free to download from that link.
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I’ve found an interesting article about Eranthis byunsanensis and its relatives. Perhaps someone already mentioned before…
Taxonomic Status and Genetic Variation of Korean Endemic Plants, Eranthis byunsanensis and Eranthis pungdoensis (Ranunculaceae) based on nrDNA ITS and cpDNA Sequences
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12374-011-9201-8 (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12374-011-9201-8)
Very interesting, YT, thanks!
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Eranthis pinnatifida, multi-petaled, white flower form. It looks some of the petals (nectars) are replaced by sepals.
It is said the original plant was found and collected at Shiojiri-shi, Nagano-ken, Japan. My plant is of course a seedling from it.
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Eranthis pinnatifida, multi-petaled, white flower form. It looks some of the petals (nectars) are replaced by sepals.
It is said the original plant was found and collected at Shiojiri-shi, Nagano-ken, Japan. My plant is of course a seedling from it.
I might consider moving to Japan just for those Eranthis :D :D
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Today I was here in Jena in the famous Eranthis-forest:
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Eranthis stellata.
It is from my garden and the last two day it has rained, rained and rained again, so therefore the petals look not so good and when I took the picture I could see the have been a little devil and eat of the second flower >:( but I am happy for see flowers in my Eranthis stellata for first time.
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I might consider moving to Japan just for those Eranthis :D :D
Not only Eranthis, but Hepaticas and Epimediums are also waiting for you, Wim ;D
Today I was here in Jena in the famous Eranthis-forest:
Wow :o What a amazing scenery, Uwe! Thank you for show us the pics :)
Eranthis stellata.
It is from my garden and the last two day it has rained, rained and rained again, so therefore the petals look not so good and when I took the picture I could see the have been a little devil and eat of the second flower >:( but I am happy for see flowers in my Eranthis stellata for first time.
That beauty even attracts devil, Karl ;)
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many thanks,
here still more photos:
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many thanks,
here still more photos:
There must thousands of flowers there- how lovely to see that there are lots of people out for a walk to enjoy them.
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Uwe it looks amazing, I understand those people there is out for a walk to see this sight. Uwe have you seen any with a different color or shape?
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Maggi, the area is over 1 hectare and almost 2 million flowers.
A lot of people look at that every year.
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Karl, no variability. All are equal.
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Wonderful to see Eranthis in the wild. :)
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and here a video-link:
Winterlinge in Closewitz bei Jena (Thüringen) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AjGmm78IMg#)
very interested: minute 2.14 and Minute 2.28 ;D
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Very interesting to see, Uwe! Thanks for sharing!!
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Eranthis stellata.
It is from my garden and the last two day it has rained, rained and rained again, so therefore the petals look not so good and when I took the picture I could see the have been a little devil and eat of the second flower >:( but I am happy for see flowers in my Eranthis stellata for first time.
BEAUTIFUL!!
Not only Eranthis, but Hepaticas and Epimediums are also waiting for you, Wim ;D
:o :o :o :-\ :-\ ;)
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Seeking help please. Yesterday on a visit to a snowdrop (am I allowed to mention them on this page :o) display I was advised that I needed to try a red stemmed Eranthis species and I think it began with an S but I'm afraid the file access in my brain refused to function and I can't remember the name. I'm hoping that it trips off the tongue of someone on these pages. Thanks I know you will come up trumps.
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Seeking help please. Yesterday on a visit to a snowdrop (am I allowed to mention them on this page :o) display I was advised that I needed to try a red stemmed Eranthis species and I think it began with an S but I'm afraid the file access in my brain refused to function and I can't remember the name. I'm hoping that it trips off the tongue of someone on these pages. Thanks I know you will come up trumps.
Hmmm, a species with a red stem....E. sibirica has red stems (and white flowers) E. x tubergenii 'Guinea Gold' has reddish/bronze stems and yellow flowers.
Of the cultvars, there's only a few with S in their cultivar name, 'Schwefelglanz' and 'Schlyters Riese', 'Schlyters Orange', 'Schlyters Triumph' and 'Schlyters Gigant'.
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Eranthis cilicica got yellow flowers and have a red stem. It is the same specie that give E. x tubergenii 'Guinea Gold' a red stem.
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Thank you gentlemen. I knew this was the place to ask.
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Very interesting video, Uwe.
Eranthis hyemalis 'Schwefelglanz' here in full flower today. Also this year in my list.
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Another pinkish E. pinnatifida have just opened today. It is said that this blushing flower was collected in Hiroshima prefecture. Unfortunately, there is no further information about this.
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Fantastic, Tatsuo.
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I think that is the nicest so far Tatsuo.
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Eranthis pinnatifida gets better and better Tatsuo. Great selection.
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Eranthis Noel Ayres.
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Tatsuo, These pinkish pinnatifida is one of the most beautiful Eranthis I've seen :P
A stalk of my Eranthis byunsanensis has 2 flowers, is there anyone who has seen this before? I also discovered that a stem at one of my Eranthis pinnatifida has flowers where the petals are twisted and green ???
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Hi!
I'd like to ask experts about my eranthis - I bought this eranthis Guinea Gold at RHS London Show last year. I heard that this one is sterile (that's what the lady who sold this told me) but mine is producing pollen now (see the attached picture) Is this a true Guinea Gold?, or just another hyemails or cilicica???
Many thanks in advance! :)
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Tatsuo, These pinkish pinnatifida is one of the most beautiful Eranthis I've seen :P
A stalk of my Eranthis byunsanensis has 2 flowers, is there anyone who has seen this before? I also discovered that a stem at one of my Eranthis pinnatifida has flowers where the petals are twisted and green ???
Karl, never seen two flowers on one stalk of Eranthis...a chance happening??
Green and twisted petals are common in double Eranthis hyemalis but I've never before seen it in E. pinnatifida...I've seen it in other Ranunculaceae, some Anemone's have it for example....could be viral :( or nuclear disaster :-\ related ;) ;)
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Hi!
I'd like to ask experts about my eranthis - I bought this eranthis Guinea Gold at RHS London Show last year. I heard that this one is sterile (that's what the lady who sold this told me) but mine is producing pollen now (see the attached picture) Is this a true Guinea Gold?, or just another hyemails or cilicica???
Many thanks in advance! :)
Naoto,
Eranthis x tubergenii 'Guinea Gold' sets pollen (that's normal) but the pollen is not fertile or the ovary or stigma are not receptive.
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Hi!
I'd like to ask experts about my eranthis - I bought this eranthis Guinea Gold at RHS London Show last year. I heard that this one is sterile (that's what the lady who sold this told me) but mine is producing pollen now (see the attached picture) Is this a true Guinea Gold?, or just another hyemails or cilicica???
Many thanks in advance! :)
Naoto, your Eranthis looks like hyemalis.
With cilicica and tubergenii the sheets are deeper slit, see this picture.
Left at the back is hyemalis.
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Naoto,
Dirk is right of course, the leaves are the defining part of the visible plant. See below; left: E. hyemalis and right: E. x tubergenii 'Guinea Gold'.
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@WimB and udo
:'( :'( :'( ......so I'll cherish this as either hyemalis or cilicica from now..... :'(
But thank you for your help! :)
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Now Eranthis of hyemalis ' Schwefelglanz' shortly after the full blossom, the blossoms seem almost white;
Unfortunately, Eranthis of hyemalis' Orange Glow', is not effective the orange with the digital pictures well,
Eranthis hyemalis 'Grünling', with fully open blossoms one hardly sees somewhat of the partial green outside;
Eranthis hyemalis 'Semi-Plena' in two different forms, grown from seed, unfortunately, only a small part of the seedlings is filled again
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......so I'll cherish this as either hyemalis or cilicica from now.....
No, 'Guinea Gold' gets its more finely-divided leaves from its cilicica parent. So it must be hyemalis.
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@Alan_b
:'(......well, I've learnt the lesson......
FYI......this is my plant blog......written in Japanese so please forget about the texts, but the last two pictures were taken last year and the last picture was the same eranthis I posted earlier here.
http://wildcreampie.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/rhs-london-plant-design-show.html (http://wildcreampie.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/rhs-london-plant-design-show.html)
P.S @udo....nice Orange Glows!
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Just an ordinary Eranthis x tubergenii .......
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What's the difference between ordinary tubergenii and Guinea Gold??? ???
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Eranthis pinnatifida double flower
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What's the difference between ordinary tubergenii and Guinea Gold??? ???
Naoto, Eranthis tubergenii set seeds, 'Guinea Gold' is sterile. The flower from tubergenii is a little bit larger as 'Guinea Gold'.
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Naoto, Eranthis tubergenii set seeds, 'Guinea Gold' is sterile. The flower from tubergenii is a little bit larger as 'Guinea Gold'.
Hmmm, I have a "regular" form of tubergenii which sets no seed and I have one from you (Dirk) which does set seed. In my experience the leaves and stalks of "Guinea Gold" are darker and keep their bronze colour longer too.
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Eranthis pinnatifida double flower
:o :o :o :o :o 8)
That is the most precious flower, Karl! You must have known a good supplier. Is it stable and fertile?
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Hmmm, I have a "regular" form of tubergenii which sets no seed and I have one from you (Dirk) which does set seed. In my experience the leaves and stalks of "Guinea Gold" are darker and keep their bronze colour longer too.
Wim, possibly there are beside 'Glorie' and 'Guinea Gold' even more sterile forms of this cross.
My fertile form has originated many years ago with a friend in Germany.
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There is a form of x tubergenii sold here http://rareplants.co.uk/product.asp?strParents&CAT_ID=98&P_ID=473 (http://rareplants.co.uk/product.asp?strParents&CAT_ID=98&P_ID=473) that is specifically not 'Guinea Gold' but no information is given as to its fertility or lack thereof.
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Wim, possibly there are beside 'Glorie' and 'Guinea Gold' even more sterile forms of this cross.
My fertile form has originated many years ago with a friend in Germany.
Dirk, do you know if 'Glory' is still in cultivation somewhere?
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Dirk, do you know if 'Glory' is still in cultivation somewhere?
Wim,some years ago I had got sometimes a plant under this name, however, it has never blossomed. Will ask once again.
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Here are some Eranthis in my garden from the last couple of days.
1 + 2. Eranthis hyemalis 'Schwefelglanz'
3 + 4. Eranthis hyemalis 'Flore Pleno'
5. Eranthis cilicica
Poul
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And a few more
1. Eranthis 'Guinea Gold'
2 + 3. Eranthis hyemalis 'Birte'
4. Eranthis hyemalis variation bronze
5. Eranthis hyemalis variation green
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Very nice ones, Poul.
I started to collect them too and like them a lot. Hopefully they will multiply.
What is the location in your garden? Sunny or shady?
Lina.
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Very nice ones, Poul.
I started to collect them too and like them a lot. Hopefully they will multiply.
What is the location in your garden? Sunny or shady?
Lina.
Thank you Lina.
E. cilicica, E. hyemalis 'Winterzauber' and E. logistipitata grow in a rather sunny location, and the rest under some shrubs where there are sun in the spring and shade in the summer.
Poul
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Last week I visited the botanical garden of Aarhus, where the cultivar Eranthis hyemalis 'Birte' was discovered some years ago. On rather wild areas belonging to the garden, but outside the formal beds, I found two populations of very pale Eranthis hyemalis growing among the normal coloured ones. They looked very similar to 'Birte', and could be clones, but some of them was spread over a wider area, indicating that they are seedlings of 'Birte'. Or the third possibility, they could be new clones. Unfortunately I only had my pocket camera with me, so the picture quality is not the best. They are not showing the real colours. There are bigger difference between the normal coloured ones and the pale ones than the pics show.
1 +2 +3. Eranthis hyemalis pale among standard coloured ones. Location one.
4 + 5. Eranthis hyemalis pale. Location two 60m from location one.
Poul
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On the same trip I also found these variations:
1. Eranthis hyemalis green variation1. (It was inside the garden, and I didn't collect it)
2 + 3. Eranthis hyemalis green variation2. (I collected it as it was found in a public area outside the botanical garden)
4. Eranthis hyemalis red variation. (I collected it as it was found in a public area outside the botanical garden)
Poul
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Very nice, Poul! Superb variations in there! The red colour is normal in Eranthis flowers that go over...might be interesting if they are that red already when just in bud!
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Eranthis cilicica flowers in my garden always later
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Schlyters Triumph:
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Here are some Eranthis in my garden from the last couple of days.
1 + 2. Eranthis hyemalis 'Schwefelglanz'
3 + 4. Eranthis hyemalis 'Flore Pleno'
5. Eranthis cilicica
Poul
Eranthis cilicica flowers in my garden always later
Me too, my hyemalis have finished and my cilicica are just starting. So I was surprised that Poul has then all flowering at the same time. Different climate?
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@udo
Thank you for your information! I'll be more careful next time I buy (nurseries may not be telling the truth if they're genuine Guinea Gold or not)!
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Me too, my hyemalis have finished and my cilicica are just starting. So I was surprised that Poul has then all flowering at the same time. Different climate?
Alan, my hyemalis is allmost over and cilicica has just started.
I guess the main reason is that cilicica grows in a sunny south sloping bed while the others grow in a more shady place.
Poul
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I have bought this Eranthis as E.hyemalis, but now that I have looked at your photos, I'm having doubts. Can you tell what species this is?
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I have bought this Eranthis as E.hyemalis, but now that I have looked at your photos, I'm having doubts. Can you tell what species this is?
Leena, I would say that's E. cilicica you have there!
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Finally in bloom, Eranthis hyemalis. Is this correct?
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Leena, I would say that's E. cilicica you have there!
Thank you Wim! :)
It seems that here if you buy E.hyemalis, you get E.cilicica, I have bought it twice and I know some friends too, who have it under the wrong name. I don't know why that is.
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It's pretty much the same here in England. In March my local garden centre was selling 'winter aconites' in large and small pots. The small ones were wrongly labelled 'Eranthis hyemalis' whilst the large ones were correctly labelled 'Eranthis cilicica. In my part of south England, the flowering time for the two species is about two months different! Hyemalis flowers from very early in January going on to late February and cilicica flowers from late February onwards (over a much shorter period).
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In a normal colder and more snowy winter they both flower about the same time here (or start only days apart, a week at the most), but a friend of mine has a real E.hyemalis and this year it started to flower earlier (a month maybe) than my E.cilicica.
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Nothing blooms here in January. Even in a winter with no January snow, the ground is frozen solid. Is the picture I showed hyemalis or cilica?
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Cilicica has more deeply-divided leaves and more reddish stems. Your photo does not show the stems but I thought that the leaves look more like cilcica than hyemalis. I was hoping Wim would come a long and give you the benefit of his much greater expertise.
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OK, now I'm really confused. It was bought many years ago as E. hyemalis. I just checked the stems - some are totally green, others have some red.
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Hope this is enough detail. The eranthis (?) have been multiplying for many years and now cover quite a bit of territory. There seems to be great variability in stem color.
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Oops, maybe I should have kept quiet. In the picture we have cilicica centre and right and hyemalis left. You may see that the leaf-frond to gap ratio is higher for hyemalis than cilicica because the deep gaps between leaf fronds tend to be wider and more numerous for cilicica. You will also see that the stems of cilicica are perfectly green, the red colouration present when the leaves are newly-emerged must disappear with age.
On the basis of your close-ups I'm more inclined to favour hyemalis. In the UK the statistics for any well-established winter aconites are vastly in favour of them being hyemalis.
Edit: Sorry, got interrupted and forgot to attach the picture I wanted to refer to, now corrected
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It may be that hyemalis and cilicia are just continuations of one species - though there are sufficient differences in timing and hardiness to make it useful for gardeners to keep a distinction. There is so little about plants that is completely "cut and dried".
I'd come down on the side of hyemalis..... for what that's worth!
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Thanks, Alan and Maggi. I agree, Maggi - not much is cut and dried. This population developed from one small planting which has been undisturbed for years. There are some variations within the population but no color breaks that I've noticed. It is one of my most enjoyed plantings since there isn't much else to distract the eye at this time.
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Thanks Alan for the picture about differences.
- though there are sufficient differences in ... hardiness to make it useful for gardeners to keep a distinction. T
Maggi, do you mean that the other one is less hardy than the other one? Which one?
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Leena, I don't know if the same is true in Finland but in the UK you can find large swathes of Eranthis hyemalis in churchyards, well-established gardens etc. Once established they seed prolifically and do not seem to attract any attention from slugs or snails. Maybe over the years of self-seeding we have bred a hardier strain of this plant but it is perfectly hardy here despite its origins in more southerly parts of Europe.
I have never yet seen Eranthis cilicica naturalized so it is either less hardy or much less common or both. It would be interesting to know where the ones we can buy in garden centres are raised.
The interesting thing to me is whether some of the other rarerly-grown Eranthis species that are generally cosseted and grown under glass might be capable of becoming garden plants.
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Astragalus, it's Eranthis hyemalis you have....
Edit: If you want to be really sure...look at the tubers...E. cilicica: round tubers E. hyemalis: irregularly shaped tubers.
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The interesting thing to me is whether some of the other rarerly-grown Eranthis species that are generally cosseted and grown under glass might be capable of becoming garden plants.
Alan, Eranthis pinnatifida has been growing and flowering outdoors for 5 to 6 years in my garden...the clump doesn't grow quickly but it sets seed every year and they are quite easy to grow them from seed.
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That's great news, Wim. I would really love to grow Eranthis pinnatifida in my garden. Can you recommend a source of the seeds?
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That's great news, Wim. I would really love to grow Eranthis pinnatifida in my garden. Can you recommend a source of the seeds?
I've sent you a PM.
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I have never yet seen Eranthis cilicica naturalized so it is either less hardy or much less common or both. It would be interesting to know where the ones we can buy in garden centres are raised.
Thank you Alan. It is interesting though that why E.cilicica is sold more commonly (as E.hyemalis), I would have thought that it would be opposite. Anyway, my E.cilicica has not increased at all in maybe four years, so that would also indicate that is is not so vigorous as E.hyemalis. I will have to try to buy E.hyemalis again and hope that I get the right species. I have sown it from seeds exchange seeds last winter, so they may be a good start for E.hyemalis in my garden. :)
I hope there will also be E.pinnatifida in the seeds exchange in the future. :)
Edit: If you want to be really sure...look at the tubers...E. cilicica: round tubers E. hyemalis: irregularly shaped tubers.
This was a very good to know, thank you. :)
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Thanks, Wim. It certainly seems to be E. hyemalis. I'll be moving a couple of small patches soon and will check the tubers then to be absolutely sure.
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Leena - for us cilicica is much less hardy than hyemalis.
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Thanks Maggi. :)
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Here the differences of the seed pods of different Eranthis:
E.hyemalis Schwefelglanz
E.hyemalis semi-plena form
E.cilicica
E.tubergenii fertile form
E.tubergenii Guinea Gold, never seeds
Eranthis cilicica attaches more seeds per blossom, thereby he is easier absolutely in summer-dry areas to increase than hyemalis.
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I live in a very summer-dry area and my garden has some large trees that make it even drier. But my Eranthis hyemalis has reached the point that seedlings are beginning to pop-up all over the garden at some distance from where the original plants grow and have spread - I don't know how they have managed that. My Schwefelglanz is seeding prolifically and the few that have flowered so far have come true to the parent.
My first attempt to grow Eranthis cilicica was about a decade ago and quickly failed - I don't know why I lost those plants. I bought a few last year and a few more this year but no sign of any seedlings yet.
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That's interesting, Alan. The same thing has happened here with E. hyemalis. They are popping up ni some other parts of the garden where I never planted them. The original planting was 6 in the same area. Perhaps chipmunks or squirrels have done it? They don't seem to find everything they store in the garden.
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No chipmunks here and I would have thought the seeds are too small (and come too early in the year) to be of interest to squirrels for storage. Perhaps some get eaten and pass intact through the digestive system of whatever animal it is?
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I've also noticed seedlings in a part of the garden where eranthis have not been planted.
Some will have to be pulled out as they are emerging among my anemonellas.
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Edit: If you want to be really sure...look at the tubers...E. cilicica: round tubers E. hyemalis: irregularly shaped tubers.
I got two bulbs of E.hyemalis last spring from a friend and the tubers were really irregularly shaped and easy to tell I had the real thing, unfortunately no photo, but now I bought more E.hyemalis (because I want more of them :)), and when I got to look at these tubers they look more round. Which ones are these? They were dry so I soaked them overnight before taking the picture and planting them. These were bought from a commercial supplier from Netherlands.
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Good luck with those, Leena.
Here in the UK you can find large naturalised populations of Eranthis hyemalis which set seed in great quantities. If you want to increase your stock I would have though the best way is probably to get hold of some seed. If you remind me next year I will try to collect some for you. Is late April or May the optimum time, I wonder?
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If you want to increase your stock I would have though the best way is probably to get hold of some seed.
You are right, and I would be very happy to get some fresh seeds next spring, I'll remind you :). I haven't seen seeds of E.hyemalis in any commercial seed lists (and they are most likely too dry if there were any), but I got some Eranthis seeds from SRGC seed exchange last winter, and most of the germinated last spring, so I'm going to try to get Eranthis there also this year. :)
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Leena, I have seed of E. hiemalis, just harvested a week or so ago so still quite fresh. I'll send some with (green) pulsatilla seed which should be OK but will send some riper pulsatilla soon. I have your address. :) I find the eranthis seed germinates about when the bulbs are showing though which would be next July here but maybe in your next winter or perhaps this coming one. Not sure.
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Thanks Lesley, I'd like it very much :)
When I sowed the seed exchange seeds last winter, I soaked the seeds overnight, then kept them moist and warm for one month and then cold for three months and they (or about half of the seeds) germinated then in June when I took them outside. So I think that fresh seeds sown now will germinate well in the spring if I keep them first in warm for a month or so before the cold period.
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Hi WimB I know I'm really late saying this but I really liked your article on eranthis, I'm working my way through the eranthis section. I grow E. hyemalis & E. Cilicica in my garden, do you know where I can get any of the others? Thanks John
P.s. Is the crocus group accepting new members yet?
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I was told recently that the black fungus attacking Eranthis cant be controlled with any fungicide that is used to control/stop smut on cereal crops
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Hi WimB I know I'm really late saying this but I really liked your article on eranthis, I'm working my way through the eranthis section. I grow E. hyemalis & E. Cilicica in my garden, do you know where I can get any of the others? Thanks John
P.s. Is the crocus group accepting new members yet?
Hi John,
Peter Nijssen sells some, as do Joe Sharman (Monksilver nursery) and Andreas Händel (Mr. Hepatica).
You can send your membership request for the Crocus Group to Tony Goode (CrocusgroupAThotmail.co.uk (replace the AT by @))
Cheers
Wim
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I was told recently that the black fungus attacking Eranthis cant be controlled with any fungicide that is used to control/stop smut on cereal crops
Mark,
I've never tried it, but I've been told that smut in Eranthis can be controled and eradicated by the persistent use of a systemic fungicide. I've only had it once and I destroyed the plant immediately, so I have no personal experience with the use of any fungicide against Eranthis-smut.
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Thanks very much for the info Wim
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Eranthis sibirica December 2014