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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: David Nicholson on January 09, 2014, 02:49:18 PM
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I know Roma had Cyclamen alpinum out in her greenhouse some time ago, here's one of mine today. This one from seed (SRGC 07/1044) sown in 2008. Others from the same batch showing colour under glass as are a few more in the garden.
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I don't have any actually, but I wanted to share that a friend from my greek forum found some extraordinarily large graecum bulbs in her cottage garden after getting rid of a large cane patch (thank god before the tractor got to them..) The largest of them weighs 17.5 kilos!! She gave them ancient philosophers' names and said she will move them in some kind of secret garden of hers... She's still trying to establish how old they might be! Care to guess?
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nice David.
I have a problem with C.alpinum, I'd appreciate advice and experiences of others. Sometimes I have a nice healthy plant that keeps going for years but all too often I only get a couple of leaves and these are subject to wilt so that the plant just gets weaker and weaker.
I bought a couple of tubers from Wisley a few years back - as far as I can tell I've treated them the same but one is in full leaf with buds, the other has no leaves and just a miserable tiny leaf bud under the chippings that looks as if it will probably never see the light of day.
Maybe I should keep them in a frame? Maybe they are not getting enough air movement in my small greenhouse?
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I don't have any actually, but I wanted to share that a friend from my greek forum found some extraordinarily large graecum bulbs in her cottage garden after getting rid of a large cane patch (thank god before the tractor got to them..) The largest of them weighs 17.5 kilos!! She gave them ancient philosophers' names and said she will move them in some kind of secret garden of hers... She's still trying to establish how old they might be! Care to guess?
http://fyta.createforumhosting.com/topic-t10199.html (http://fyta.createforumhosting.com/topic-t10199.html)
Seems miraculous that these huge plants have been rescued. I hope they will go on to live many more years - they must be VERY old indeed......
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I have a problem with C.alpinum, I'd appreciate advice and experiences of others. Sometimes I have a nice healthy plant that keeps going for years but all too often I only get a couple of leaves and these are subject to wilt so that the plant just gets weaker and weaker.
I bought a couple of tubers from Wisley a few years back - as far as I can tell I've treated them the same but one is in full leaf with buds, the other has no leaves and just a miserable tiny leaf bud under the chippings that looks as if it will probably never see the light of day.
Maybe I should keep them in a frame? Maybe they are not getting enough air movement in my small greenhouse?
Mark - I'd have thought they'd do well in a greenhouse or a frame, as long as the ventilation is adequate. On wilting leaves, I noticed a couple on my otherwise healthy alpinum this week. On examination those leaf stalks under the grit had started to decay, presumably because I'd slightly overwatered. Most of the time I water plants from below to try and keep the top of the tuber and the growing points dry but if I'm in a rush, or if the sun's out and I think I can get away with it, they get watered from above (seedlings don't seem to mind either way). So perhaps treat them more like cilicium than coum (ie a drier, warmer environment)? On the differing performances of the two Wisley tubers given the same conditions...who knows! Perhaps the roots on the weaker plant had previously had some unnoticed damage (too wet? too dry?) and this has set it back as it needs to grow new roots before putting energy into leaves etc? But as you've noted in a previous post, some strains/selections just seem to be more vigorous and better growers than others.
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I don't have any actually, but I wanted to share that a friend from my greek forum found some extraordinarily large graecum bulbs in her cottage garden after getting rid of a large cane patch (thank god before the tractor got to them..) The largest of them weighs 17.5 kilos!! She gave them ancient philosophers' names and said she will move them in some kind of secret garden of hers... She's still trying to establish how old they might be! Care to guess?
http://fyta.createforumhosting.com/topic-t10199.html (http://fyta.createforumhosting.com/topic-t10199.html)
That last tuber is absolutely huge! As Maggi says, they must be very old. And they've clearly liked the soil/location/space they've been grown in. As other forumists who have examples themselves can testify, C graecum is long-lived in cultivation and can get very large indeed. There was a show winner at the Cyclamen Society show a few years ago (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6036.msg166645#msg166645 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6036.msg166645#msg166645)) that was in a 146 cm (57 inch) circumference pot. It was a CSE plant collected in 1991 so it was at least 22+ years old then (depending on how old the tuber already was when collected). Of course, the conditions are different in cultivation and, unlike wild plants, they don't have to take whatever is thrown at them - drought, competition from other plants etc.
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nice David.
I have a problem with C.alpinum, I'd appreciate advice and experiences of others. Sometimes I have a nice healthy plant that keeps going for years but all too often I only get a couple of leaves and these are subject to wilt so that the plant just gets weaker and weaker.
I bought a couple of tubers from Wisley a few years back - as far as I can tell I've treated them the same but one is in full leaf with buds, the other has no leaves and just a miserable tiny leaf bud under the chippings that looks as if it will probably never see the light of day.
Maybe I should keep them in a frame? Maybe they are not getting enough air movement in my small greenhouse?
I have plants like this in my collection every year and it is not confined to any one species it affects most of them. Plants that have done well for years decide they do not want to grow. The reason in almost every instance is I have over watered despite the plants being treated the same. A simple test is to put your finger down the side of the tuber and try to lift it, if it lifts it has no roots they have rotted, no roots means no top growth. Sometimes with care they will recover, sometimes the damage has been done and the tuber itself will rot. This may not be your problem at all but with a large collection it is not possible to get it right all of the time and losses are a fact of life. I am not sure any of this helps but I cannot remember a season when every plant has been perfect there are always losses. On the bright side this makes space for new ones.
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Cyclamen adjaricum (Chakva near Batumi, Adjaria, Georgia) from Pilous seed is getting ready to flower under lights. I can find no description of it anywhere. Hardy or tender? Anyone?
johnw - +1c, up to 50mm on the way this weekend.
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Cyclamen adjaricum (Chakva near Batumi, Adjaria, Georgia) from Pilous seed is getting ready to flower under lights. I can find no description of it anywhere. Hardy or tender? Anyone?
johnw - +1c, up to 50mm on the way this weekend.
John, I'm not sure this is a valid name - there were/are a number of different names used by Soviet botanists for Cyclamen species from the former USSR - forumists from that part of the world would be better placed to comment though. My understanding is that they are all forms of Cyclamen coum or, in the case of your plant from Georgia, C. coum subsp. caucasicum. It certainly shouldn't be tender but caucasicum is reputedly not as hardy as C. coum so perhaps better with some winter protection?
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After looking in Grey-Wilson (2002) he says adzharicum (note spelling John) is, as Steve says, synonymous with Cyclamen coum ssp. caucasicum
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Cyclamen adjaricum (Chakva near Batumi, Adjaria, Georgia) from Pilous seed is getting ready to flower under lights. I can find no description of it anywhere. Hardy or tender? Anyone?
It's hardy here John (so down to -7°C or so at least) and a very handsome plant with bigger, brighter flowers than many of my other coums.
Kirsten also reported it as fully hardy in Denmark, and showed pictures here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8335.msg255749#msg255749).
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Thanks Pat and Steve, I usually find it's swings and roundabouts - I usually have seedlings which are always interesting and as you say losses make way for more.
Here's a seedling from C.persicum var autumnale, original plant was from Peter Moore, I've never got it right to flower in the autumn but some of them are fine plants. This one is a lovely colour.
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Thanks Ashley, SJW & David. So another coum type, there are so many conflicting opinions as to which coum ssp. is the hardiest; lately we were told ssp. caucasicum was hardier than even kuznetzovii. It would be nice to start with the hardiest seed type to replicate Ian's success with coum. Here it needs snow cover and detests wet icy conditions and so they last but a couple of years.
We'll also need another 10-15c to be on the safe side with this one outdoors!
Ah more hits with that spelling David.
johnw - +4c and overcast.
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I have plants like this in my collection every year and it is not confined to any one species it affects most of them. Plants that have done well for years decide they do not want to grow. The reason in almost every instance is I have over watered despite the plants being treated the same. A simple test is to put your finger down the side of the tuber and try to lift it, if it lifts it has no roots they have rotted, no roots means no top growth. Sometimes with care they will recover, sometimes the damage has been done and the tuber itself will rot. This may not be your problem at all but with a large collection it is not possible to get it right all of the time and losses are a fact of life. I am not sure any of this helps but I cannot remember a season when every plant has been perfect there are always losses. On the bright side this makes space for new ones.
Not so much helps, Pat, as reassures the rest of us that yearly losses are quite common! This example has puzzled me this season. Two sister CSE graecum plants have always been treated, as far as I can tell, in the same way. With one of them last autumn, the leaf buds were very slow to emerge, then froze unfurled for weeks before opening at a fraction of their usual size. It reminds me of an embarrassing uncle trying out a trendy new hairstyle. The tuber is firm and secure in the compost so the roots should be OK and there's no wilt on the leaves...
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Here's a seedling from C.persicum var autumnale, original plant was from Peter Moore, I've never got it right to flower in the autumn but some of them are fine plants. This one is a lovely colour.
It is a good colour. It may not be the autumn but it's earlier than any of my persicums! When was the seed sown, Mark? I have a few seedlings but still some way from flowering size.
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Steve, I get a number of "failed to launch" plants too - or the "I've only got enough energy for one leaf" thing.
I'll probably have the details on the autumnale sowing date but it's dark so it will need to be another day. I do know these have been absolute bruisers - I have two other pots more or less packed with 1 inch tubers and I think a few other singletons. I've been sending the seed in regularly to the Cyclamen Societymarked up appropriately. I thought, but I can't be sure that the seedlings from the original plants gave me quite a variety of different colours but they may have all been pink.
Here's a picture of the original plant taken a few years back
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I'll probably have the details on the autumnale sowing date but it's dark so it will need to be another day. I do know these have been absolute bruisers - I have two other pots more or less packed with 1 inch tubers and I think a few other singletons. I've been sending the seed in regularly to the Cyclamen Society marked up appropriately. I thought, but I can't be sure that the seedlings from the original plants gave me quite a variety of different colours but they may have all been pink.
I don't think there can be many C. persicum autumnale seed donors, Mark - it hasn't been on the main CS seed list for a few years so I assume there hasn't been enough seed available to make it worth listing, and what is sent in probably goes as an extra 'thank you' to donors. That must be how I got my seed (5, and 3 germinated) so you may well have been the donor! For some reason, I didn't note when I sowed mine but it was no more than a couple of years ago, I think. They've not been the most robust growers for me so far (unlike your bruisers). This one has the best leaf.
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Steve, the leaves on yours certainly look right - I've just checked and it seems unfortunately I didn't write down the sowing date either but they've been flowering for quite a few years now.
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Cyclamen alpinum
2nd picture showing the leaves
Cyclamen coum
Cyclamen elegans
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Steve and Mark interesting your comments about persicum autumnale mine which was from Peter Moore seed was via a friend and was sown by my version of the Reading method in October 2010. Growth has so far been good but autumn flowering well not so far though buds were in waiting from the end of October. Perhaps I should give it more of a baking in the summer?
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Ian, part of my plan for the seedling was to be "really mean" to one set of them - I think I've got the dryness but I'm not sure we have the heat and that may be the key.
When I bought the tuber directly from Peter Moore on a visit he told me I could have it as long as I didn't complain that it flowered in spring - makes me wonder if he also couldn't get it to flower in the autumn either. These are I am sure absolutely genuine plants but it seems given a chance they slip back into old habits.
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Ian, part of my plan for the seedling was to be "really mean" to one set of them - I think I've got the dryness but I'm not sure we have the heat and that may be the key.
When I bought the tuber directly from Peter Moore on a visit he told me I could have it as long as I didn't complain that it flowered in spring - makes me wonder if he also couldn't get it to flower in the autumn either. These are I am sure absolutely genuine plants but it seems given a chance they slip back into old habits.
Hi Mark I did see one in flower at one of the Cyclamen shows held in late September at the Birmingham Botanic Garden but can't remember whose plant it was. It was I think in flower without leaves and looked very nice.
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There's a photo of the deep pink form of C. persicum var. autumnale in the new Cyclamen book, and a very interesting and useful article by forumist Oron Peri on it's distribution, variation, characteristic differences between colonies and growth habits. Bit too long to reproduce all the info about it in it's natural environment but, in cultivation away from its country of origin, Oron recommends treating var. autumnale in a similar way to C. rohlfsianum so as to encourage it to behave normally and produce its flowers before the leaves. Oron notes that in the wild they "do not grow in the vicinity of rocks by chance, it seems that the dew that forms on rocks provides a source of humidity as a result of the changes between day/night temperatures; in autumn the nights start to get cooler and consequently drops of water form on the surface of the rock and trickle down into the crevices where the cyclamen grow. This might also provide an explanation for the fact that the flowering time of this variety is so precise, the first flowers are present by 15 October, whereas the flowering of var. persicum depends entirely on the first rains of winter." (Usually, rain does not fall in the localities in which C. persicum grows before mid-November). So, he recommends growing in small pots so that the soil dries out quicker with water withheld from May until the plants have mature flowers but check the tubers once per month and add a bit of water if they start to shrink/soften. Water regularly when the flowers are mature. It grows in shade in the wild but he recommends full sun in cultivation. Hand pollination is necessary for seed set. In Oron's experience they take longer to grow, with smaller tubers, are shy to set seed, germination is slow and unreliable, and they take 3-5 years to reach flowering size! Depending on locality, they flower between mid October and January.
As I say, an interesting read which I hope he doesn't mind me part-reproducing here.
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When I bought the tuber directly from Peter Moore... These are I am sure absolutely genuine plants...
Mark - just noticed that the Type specimen was prepared from a plant cultivated by Peter Moore. :)
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There's a photo of the deep pink form of C. persicum var. autumnale in the new Cyclamen book, and a very interesting and useful article by forumist Oron Peri on it's distribution, variation, characteristic differences between colonies and growth habits. Bit too long to reproduce all the info about it in it's natural environment but, in cultivation away from its country of origin, Oron recommends treating var. autumnale in a similar way to C. rohlfsianum so as to encourage it to behave normally and produce its flowers before the leaves. Oron notes that in the wild they "do not grow in the vicinity of rocks by chance, it seems that the dew that forms on rocks provides a source of humidity as a result of the changes between day/night temperatures; in autumn the nights start to get cooler and consequently drops of water form on the surface of the rock and trickle down into the crevices where the cyclamen grow. This might also provide an explanation for the fact that the flowering time of this variety is so precise, the first flowers are present by 15 October, whereas the flowering of var. persicum depends entirely on the first rains of winter." (Usually, rain does not fall in the localities in which C. persicum grows before mid-November). So, he recommends growing in small pots so that the soil dries out quicker with water withheld from May until the plants have mature flowers but check the tubers once per month and add a bit of water if they start to shrink/soften. Water regularly when the flowers are mature. It grows in shade in the wild but he recommends full sun in cultivation. Hand pollination is necessary for seed set. In Oron's experience they take longer to grow, with smaller tubers, are shy to set seed, germination is slow and unreliable, and they take 3-5 years to reach flowering size! Depending on locality, they flower between mid October and January.
As I say, an interesting read which I hope he doesn't mind me part-reproducing here.
I doubt that Oron would have a problem with this - he is very open and generous with his information - and this is the best enticement I've seen to to tempt me to buy the book !
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...and this is the best enticement I've seen to tempt me to buy the book !
Maggi - it's relatively expensive, I know, but it really is a fantastic and valuable resource, which I'm enjoying dipping into. I can understand, though, that at that price it may not quicken the pulse if you're not a fellow cyclamentalist! ;D
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There's a photo of the deep pink form of C. persicum var. autumnale in the new Cyclamen book, and a very interesting and useful article by forumist Oron Peri on it's distribution, variation, characteristic differences between colonies and growth habits. Bit too long to reproduce all the info about it in it's natural environment but, in cultivation away from its country of origin, Oron recommends treating var. autumnale in a similar way to C. rohlfsianum so as to encourage it to behave normally and produce its flowers before the leaves. Oron notes that in the wild they "do not grow in the vicinity of rocks by chance, it seems that the dew that forms on rocks provides a source of humidity as a result of the changes between day/night temperatures; in autumn the nights start to get cooler and consequently drops of water form on the surface of the rock and trickle down into the crevices where the cyclamen grow. This might also provide an explanation for the fact that the flowering time of this variety is so precise, the first flowers are present by 15 October, whereas the flowering of var. persicum depends entirely on the first rains of winter." (Usually, rain does not fall in the localities in which C. persicum grows before mid-November). So, he recommends growing in small pots so that the soil dries out quicker with water withheld from May until the plants have mature flowers but check the tubers once per month and add a bit of water if they start to shrink/soften. Water regularly when the flowers are mature. It grows in shade in the wild but he recommends full sun in cultivation. Hand pollination is necessary for seed set. In Oron's experience they take longer to grow, with smaller tubers, are shy to set seed, germination is slow and unreliable, and they take 3-5 years to reach flowering size! Depending on locality, they flower between mid October and January.
As I say, an interesting read which I hope he doesn't mind me part-reproducing here.
Thanks Steve I do have the book and may still be able to lift to read for a couple more years ;). I have read Oron's very helpful comments. Obviously the difficulty for me is translating his very good advice into culture in the UK is where I am failing. As a matter of interest he mentions that it should be treated in a similar way to rohlfsianum ( a plant that so far I grow but rarely get flowers) so when I crack the code with either it could be both
I posted x wellensiekii a month ago and couldn't resist doing it again these can be very attractive
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Thanks Steve I do have the book and may still be able to lift to read for a couple more years ;). I have read Oron's very helpful comments. Obviously the difficulty for me is translating his very good advice into culture in the UK is where I am failing. As a matter of interest he mentions that it should be treated in a similar way to rohlfsianum ( a plant that so far I grow but rarely get flowers) so when I crack the code with either it could be both
I posted x wellensiekii a month ago and couldn't resist doing it again these can be very attractive
Ian - I know many CS members will have got the new book, but wasn't sure if you and Mark had succumbed! My rohlfsianum are normally quite disappointing but they flowered quite well last autumn, probably related to the decent summer and mild autumn we had. Thereagain, I think I've just lost one through overwatering...just when you think you're getting it right.
I've never really been tempted to grow any of the hybrids but the xwellensieki looks like a fine plant so I may have to reconsider. :)
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I don't have the book. Maybe one day.
That x wellensiekii looks lovely, both the parents are favourites of mine but I had a hard time getting hold of the hybrid. I tried to recreate it - I sometimes have cypriums that remain with flowers opened in the autumn right through the winter.
I think I now have a seedling or two from seed I got from Jan Bravenboer.
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C. purpurascens seedlings, germinated early summer onwards last year. It's interesting to compare the germination and growth rates of the different pots (each from a separate plant).
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C. purpurascens seedlings, germinated early summer onwards last year. It's interesting to compare the germination and growth rates of the different pots (each from a separate plant).
Steve :o
I doubt that we have that many C. purpurescens in the entire country!
;D
cheers
fermi
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Hello, I'm a teacher and amateur nature pfotographer in Afyon province (West Turkey). A small population of C. mirabile is living near of Afyon. I found a new natural leaf form of C. mirabile.
http://dogalhayat.org/property/tilebarn-sahipata/ (http://dogalhayat.org/property/tilebarn-sahipata/)
http://cyclamenmirabile.blogspot.com.tr/ (http://cyclamenmirabile.blogspot.com.tr/)
Greetings Turkey, Ömer ESER
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I doubt that we have that many C. purpurescens in the entire country!
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cheers
fermi
Fermi - as you know, the more you sow, the better the chances of finding something special! :). Yes, I suppose your hot, dry summers may not suit purpurascens as much as some of the other species but presumably it can be, and is, grown well in Aus? If you'd have wanted to land a low blow you could have said I have more seedlings than England have runs. ;D
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Hello, I'm a teacher and amateur nature pfotographer in Afyon province (West Turkey). A small population of C. mirabile is living near of Afyon. I found a new natural leaf form of C. mirabile.
http://dogalhayat.org/property/tilebarn-sahipata/ (http://dogalhayat.org/property/tilebarn-sahipata/)
http://cyclamenmirabile.blogspot.com.tr/ (http://cyclamenmirabile.blogspot.com.tr/)
Greetings Turkey, Ömer ESER
Hi Ömer,
It's a pleasure to look at all the cyclamen photographs you show us here - thank you very much for sharing with us!
Gerd
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I suppose your hot, dry summers may not suit purpurascens as much as some of the other species but presumably it can be, and is, grown well in Aus? If you'd have wanted to land a low blow you could have said I have more seedlings than England have runs. ;D
Steve,
I think Otto and others grow it well in the Dandenongs and cooler parts of Melbourne, but I believe there was been a problem getting seed on the white forms.
And I would never sink so low to land such a blow, Steve, as I don't follow the Soccer! ;D
cheers
fermi
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Fermi , I am surprised how well C. purpurascens and C . colchicum survived last week's 5 days of 40 plus degrees heatwave .
C. purpurascens album is in flower now , but as I only have one mature tuber ( plus a few as yet un flowered seedlings) no seed set as yet .
Fermi do you know the difference between soccer and cricket ??
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Fermi do you know the difference between soccer and cricket ??
To be fair, Otto, the way we've played, it's been hard to tell the difference!
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Fermi do you know the difference between soccer and cricket ??
Soccer: a professional game played largely by over-hyped; over-paid; over-indulged; over-sexed, under-educated males. Cricket: of the English variety by a set of lily-livered, self-opinionated wingers who wouldn't recognise a challenge if it hit them in the face. ::)
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Correct on both counts David. I love football but only watch my local team consisting of lads who don't get paid and still get up for work on a Monday morning. Not pretty but much more honest. As for cricket I didn't realise it was a sport I thought it was a pub game like dominoes or shove halfpenny only you don't have to be as fit.
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;) ;D
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great germination Steve, I usually find it comes up in ones and twos from seed exchanges - what's your secret?
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great germination Steve, I usually find it comes up in ones and twos from seed exchanges - what's your secret?
Mark - I used to sow my own seed fresh in the summer and I'd get very patchy germination in the autumn. I'd then have to find bench space over winter to grow on pots with just a few seeds up. For the past few years I've delayed sowing until November or even December, when it's too cold for any germination to occur. The pots are kept cold and damp/moist over winter (I bung them in the shed but a cold frame is fine, freezing weather isn't a problem) and I get excellent germination from about late May onwards. It's important not to let the pots dry out as temperatures rise in Spring, of course. It's one of the species that doesn't seem to respond to the "Reading Method" at all.
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Hello, I'm a teacher and amateur nature pfotographer in Afyon province (West Turkey). A small population of C. mirabile is living near of Afyon. I found a new natural leaf form of C. mirabile.
Ömer - thanks for sharing these photos, it's good to see C. mirabile growing in situ. I was interested to see your location is Afyon so I checked the Cyclamen Society's 2003 and 2004 C. mirabile expedition reports to look at their recorded distribution of the species - the primary aim of the expeditions was to check on areas outside its known range to establish whether it had a wider distribution than that previously recorded. The area covered was from Aydin and Milas in the west, Muğla in the south, Nazilli in the north and extending east to Denizli, Dinar and Eğirdir. There seems to be a break in distribution between Denizli and Dinar which corresponds with a rainfall pattern as there is significantly less annual rain east of Denizli before increasing again around Lake Eğirdir (where there is a known population). The furthest north they found mirabile was on limestone between Çivril and Dinar. And, "...A short probe from Dinar in the direction of Afyon proved that the species is there as well, growing at a higher altitude..."
Anyway, this is a rather long-winded way of commenting that it looks like you've extended the known range of C. mirabile north-eastwards to Afyon. Well, at least in relation to the Cyclamen Society's recorded distribution data - local people will have known about them all along, of course! :)
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Thank you Mr. Walter for your comment. My locality is newly for C. mirabile. This locality is near the Afyon city. A small mirabile population is living on the volcanic (trachyte) rocks of near the Afyon city. I wroten a popular article for Bağbahçe magazine. Tis is a new locality (Northernmost) for C. mirabile. Greetings Turkey, Ömer.
http://www.ngbb.org.tr/images/bagbahce/bb_51.pdf (http://www.ngbb.org.tr/images/bagbahce/bb_51.pdf)
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thanks Steve, in theory I should be getting ok germination because the Cyclamen Society seed doesn't arrive until November but still the germination isn't as good as you are getting.
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Thought you may like to see the first flower on Coum 'porcelain' a new named clone raised by Jan Bravenboer. Excuse the quality of the picture taken on my phone.
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Lovely flower Pat, beautiful veins on the petals
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very pretty. I see it's plain leaved - I think sometimes that is a better foil for flowers but then I'm perverse, I want the white flowered varieties of pink cyclamen and pink flowered varities of white ones.
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I like the veining too - makes a flower look special.
A digression - is that a new dog I see in your avatar now, Pat?
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No still the same two. Dave on the left facing now two and a half and bubbles now ten. Both bring a lot of joy and sanity to our lives.
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very pretty. I see it's plain leaved - I think sometimes that is a better foil for flowers but then I'm perverse, I want the white flowered varieties of pink cyclamen and pink flowered varities of white ones.
I have a pot of around 20 seedlings all with plain leaves I hope the flowers come true as well.
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No still the same two. Dave on the left facing now two and a half and bubbles now ten. Both bring a lot of joy and sanity to our lives.
My apologies, I had forgotten about Dave - cute pair and yes, they give great fun and a good grounding to life, don't they?
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I have a pot of around 20 seedlings all with plain leaves I hope the flowers come true as well.
Wonder if we should run a sweepstake on the odds of that, Pat? :)
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A couple from me. C. alpium and C. coum albumissum. The last one is from Cyclamen Society seed :)
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Thought you may like to see the first flower on Coum 'porcelain' a new named clone raised by Jan Bravenboer. Excuse the quality of the picture taken on my phone.
So you've been tempted by a coum, Pat! Very nice. With the plain green leaves, I wonder if 'Porcelain' has any 'Golan Heights' in its genes?
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Nice coums shown here
Here a coum relative elegans which I got from Kurt Vickery
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nice elegans there!
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So you've been tempted by a coum, Pat! Very nice. With the plain green leaves, I wonder if 'Porcelain' has any 'Golan Heights' in its genes?
As you know steve Coum is my least favourite cyclamen but I now appear to have seven plants in my greenhouse. Quite how this happened I am not sure.
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Here a coum relative elegans which I got from Kurt Vickery
Ian - that elegans is very handsome.
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Ian - that elegans is very handsome.
nice elegans there!
Thanks Mark and Gerry I like it to.
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Cyclamen pseudibericum var roseum
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lovely, and early too!
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Cyclamen coum Yayladagi
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Cyclamen pseudibericum var roseum
Very nice Tony
You must be in the banana belt up there mine are nowhere near flowering
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Very nice Tony
You must be in the banana belt up there mine are nowhere near flowering
Agreed! This is my best foliage form, buds showing but some way to go.
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Another coum with a plain green leaf - 'kuznetsovii', flowers aren't as good as 'Porcelain', though. And a coum which isn't a prolific flowerer but does have good leaves.
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Cyclamen pseudibericum var roseum
Beautiful but indeed very early.
I grow Cyclamen pseudibericum outside now for 3 years and it seems that they are hardy enough here despite some harsh wintercold last 3 years .
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Lovely Cyclamen all round folks.
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A few more flowering C. coum.
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some nice plants there Steve
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Thanks, Ian. I always think of coum as being quite unruly in pots, with leaves and flowers flopping about everywhere (unless you double pot). But then every year I'm pleasantly suprised by how good a panful can look!
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Some lovely Cyclamen coum there, Steve. I have problems growing them to a decent size these days.
Cyclamen coum and Cyclamen alpinum with more flowers than last time I showed them
Another Cyclamen elegans. This one has plainer leaves but the flower is slightly darker and has the suggestion of a picotee edge.
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Thanks, Roma. Your alpinum is flowering well - interesting leaves, too.
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Steve, the alpinum is from Cyclamen Society seed and was labelled ex CSE but no number so I don't know how many generations from the original.
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Mention of seed from exchanges prompts me to ask if anyone has grown what is described in the 67th seedlist as Cyclamen hederifolium confusum ex. F&JK 97017? I received some of this seed so I'm intrigued to see what comes up. I know the SRGC checks species names with the IPNI but I'm not sure whether the latest changes in the naming of hederifolium/crassifolium/confusum have been universally adopted. Details were in the Cyclamen Society journal a few years ago and I know forumists such as Melvyn Jope and Pat Nicholls have posted information and discussed this on the Cyclamen thread in previous years. The only reference I can find online for ex F&JK 97017 says the seed?plant? was collected in Messenia which is in the Peloponnese. So that would make the plant Cyclamen hederifolium subsp. crassifolium rather than C. confusum which is now used for plants originating solely from Crete (well, at least until more fieldwork/research is undertaken...). Melvyn is the fount of all knowledge on this! This isn't a criticism of the seedex, I hasten to add. There's no reason why most gardeners would know about the reclassification of crassifolium and confusum unless they had a particular - oh alright, obsessive - interest in Cyclamen. :)
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- oh alright, obsessive - interest in Cyclamen. :)
Surely, there isn't such a thing? ;D
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obsessive - interest in Cyclamen.
If such a thing existed, then the following event would be a must see : 8)
2014 RHS Wisley Plant Society events
Cyclamen Early Spring Show - 8 February
Enjoy exhibits of spring flowering cyclamen and companion bulbous plants, plus original artwork. Also features an 11am talk and Genus Cyclamen book signing by Brian Mathew VMH.
10am-4pm, Hillside Event Centre http://www.cyclamen.org/ (http://www.cyclamen.org/)
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Surely, there isn't such a thing? ;D
That's what I keep telling my wife - usually while I'm holding a seedtray, negotiating for extra windowsill space...
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JJA 358.232 Cyclamen alpinum f. leucanthum
Turkey, Antalya, Tahtalı Dağı. Ex. a P. & P. Watt coll. (From white form selected in the wild in by Peter & Penny Watt. Seedlings may be less variable than the preceding.)
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Thank you , Tatsuo, I have added the photo to the Archibald thread.
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lovely plant YT
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Has anyone else seen this? First time I've seen marbled seed leaves. C. mirabile sown in Oct 2013 and the seed leaves are marbled, it's not some kind of leaf damage, it's proper marbling.
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A nice self-seeded Cyclamen coum in the garden yesterday.
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Has anyone else seen this? First time I've seen marbled seed leaves. C. mirabile sown in Oct 2013 and the seed leaves are marbled, it's not some kind of leaf damage, it's proper marbling.
Mark - while the seed leaf is usually unmarked, I don't think it is too uncommon to have a distinguishable leaf pattern from the off (with some species). In my experience it tends to signify that the mature plant will have good, or at least interesting, leaves. Certainly been the case for me for hederifolium and purpurascens. Here's a few mirabile seedlings, sown autumn 2013, with two showing some marbling.
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Has anyone else seen this? First time I've seen marbled seed leaves. C. mirabile sown in Oct 2013 and the seed leaves are marbled, it's not some kind of leaf damage, it's proper marbling.
I agree with Steve nothing unusual and it is usually an indication that the true leaves may be interesting. A few years ago I sowed seed ex cse93159 hederifolium ssp crassifolium which were from a pink flushed leaved plant from Leonidi.All the seed leaves were pink as were all the resulting 35 plants.
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A report on the opening a of Jo's garden : http://www.plantheritagedevon.org.uk/blogs.php?a=v&b=178 (http://www.plantheritagedevon.org.uk/blogs.php?a=v&b=178)
Also a note that : The gardens at Higher Cherubeer are open again under the National Garden Scheme on Friday, February 14th from 2pm to 5pm, and again later in the year.
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Cyclamens coum and alpinum looking good in the garden regardless of the atrocious weather but far too wet underfoot to get near them to picture. Couple of alpinum from the greenhouse here, one light pink and one dark, both from the same batch of seed. Coum in the greenhouse very slow this year.
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First flowering of C. coum 'Meaden's Crimson', sown January 2012. The deep, rich colour doesn't really show in the photos. The pot on the left is true to type ie plain, green leaves.
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Nice form Steve. Good going too two years from sowing to flowering.
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Nice form Steve. Good going too two years from sowing to flowering.
I 'cheat' a bit, David. ;) Any seed I get after September I sow in the house using the 'Reading Method'. Germinated pots then go on a windowsill and are grown on indoors for the first season. So they are a bit mollycoddled. The seedlings do get a bit drawn but make good growth before their first dormancy.
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I 'cheat' a bit, David. ;) Any seed I get after September I sow in the house using the 'Reading Method'. Germinated pots then go on a windowsill and are grown on indoors for the first season. So they are a bit mollycoddled. The seedlings do get a bit drawn but make good growth before their first dormancy.
Where can I read about the "Reading Method"?
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Two suggestions Ralph:-
Diane Clements Midlands Diary on the AGS Site http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/ (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/)
and The Cyclamen Society Site http://www.cyclamen.org/propag_set.html (http://www.cyclamen.org/propag_set.html)
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Thanks David, I have a lot of cyclamen seed to sow!
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2014 RHS Wisley Plant Society events
Cyclamen Society Early Spring Show - 8 February
Enjoy exhibits of spring flowering cyclamen and companion bulbous plants, plus original artwork. Also features an 11am talk and Genus Cyclamen book signing by Brian Mathew VMH.
10am-4pm, Hillside Event Centre http://www.cyclamen.org/ (http://www.cyclamen.org/) pic.twitter.com/y3newmMzOE
Who is planning to be there?
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I got three different cyclamen seeds in the 2012 seed exchange, C. cilicium, C. coum and C. intaminatum. Just as well I did not read the foregoing before sowing my seeds. I cr how many seeds of each I had but i did plant them all on 4.2.13 one knuckle deep in 9x 9 x 11cm deep pots. here is how they grew. All are still in their original pots. I helped pack seed and with the distribution stage and had a whale of a time. I am very disappointed that I will not be able to help in the distribution next year as it will be going elsewhere. As a very new SRGC member I learned a huge amount from taking part in both stages. Thank you for the opportunity.
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Cyclamen Society Early Spring Show - 8 February
Who is planning to be there?
I've been cleaning pots today in anticipation - a tedious job. It'll be a really early start for me on Saturday morning, hope the rain and wind holds off but the forecast isn't great. Still, that's a good excuse to linger in the Wisley glasshouses all afternoon. :)
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Picked up this beautiful C. coum from a garden centre. Cheap, massive plants with loads of flower! Thought I share this one with you.
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I always give any Cyclamen species I see just in case there is a good one, nice find Bart!
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I suspect this wasn't as listed from Cyclamen Society seed but it's interesting all the same with almost no basal blotch. It's really small too, the leaves are small and the flowers are about as tall is C. parviflorum.
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An interesting one, Mark.
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It is. It reminds me of some of the true albumissum forms - some have the same almost plastic/ translucent looking noses. Except in pink.
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'Rosissimum'?
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I was hoping more along the lines of "var markgriffithsianum"
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...but it's interesting all the same with almost no basal blotch.
var. anosmia?
;D
cheers
fermi
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as in "my dog's got nonosmia"?
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Photo via Colin Crosbie's Twittering :
The Best Cyclamen alpinum in the Cyc. society show yesterday at Wisley - no idea who it belongs too - perhaps some of the Society folks will enlighten us later.
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Photo via Colin Crosbie's Twittering :
The Best Cyclamen alpinum in the Cyc. society show yesterday at Wisley - no idea who it belongs too - perhaps some of the Society folks will enlighten us later.
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The plant belongs to Ian Robertson and if by magic will reappear in South Wales next week no doubt.
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The plant belongs to Ian Robertson and if by magic will reappear in South Wales next week no doubt.
Not a very good photo, but here's a side view showing the size of the pot.
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Interesting comparing the two photographs and noting how misleading a colour cast can be. :o
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I am a bit embarrassed to show more Cyclamen alpinum after seeing Ian Robertson's magnificent plant :-[ but here are three more of mine.
The pale pink is an older plant than the one I showed previously.
Two young plants
The red is a nice deep colour but the flowers are hiding in the leaves. I hope this will not be a permanent feature.
Cyclamen libanoticum with 7 petals, flowering for the first time from seed sown in February 2011. It's parent has this feature. The early flowers have extra petals but the later ones have the normal 5.
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No reason at all to feel embarrassed Roma, most of us would be very happy to grow a plant like your pink C.alpinum, and very few of us grow plants as well as Ian. I particularly like the flower on your white C.alpinum in the third picture
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Indeed that's a lovely alpinum Roma. Mine take their chances outdoors and never produce more than a few flowers at a time but give pleasure anyway.
Digressing slightly, is your Begonia listada (last picture) happy to overwinter in an unheated house?
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Photo via Colin Crosbie's Twittering :
The Best Cyclamen alpinum in the Cyc. society show yesterday at Wisley - no idea who it belongs too - perhaps some of the Society folks will enlighten us later.
:o :o :o How old is that plant?
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Here are pics of JJA 360.600 Cyclamen coum, dark nose
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Thanks, Melvyn. I am really quite happy with my alpinums. I hope the white one is as good as the pinks in a few years time.
Ashley, Begonia listada and the Cyclamen seedlings are upstairs in the house. They are on a table in the corridor under a north facing Velux window. It badly needs repotting or started again from cuttings but it seems very tough as the temperature can get quite low.
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Here's an example of C. coum that seeds around the garden. When I try to place it, it fails. When it picks its spot, it thrives.
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Hi there! C.coum "Porcelain" is now in bloom! :)
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Here are pics of JJA 360.600 Cyclamen coum, dark nose
Would this be what I've seen offered as the 'Russian form' of C. coum (ie with no rim to the nose)?
I've grown this one as C. coum kuznetsovii 'silver leaf', although I think the usual kuznetsovii form has plain green leaves. The flowers have a crimson rim to the nose, indicative of C. coum ssp caucasicum. C. coum more generally has a white rim to the nose.
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SJW - Here's what I grow as C. kuznetzovii from the Cyclamen Society. The flowers improved greatly in year 2 or 3. The leaves as you can see are rather plain..
johnw - Was 12c this am and torrents of rain overnight with a huge gale, now +1c. Repeat tomorrow but add a dash of freezing rain for good measure.
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Here's one I took note of today, don't know how I missed that nose. From a sowing in 1988 I'm embarassed to say. C. coum cw Turkey ex the Cyclamen Society, the flowers are very dark but the flash has made short work of that. No idea if that bi-coloured nose is ordinary or not and if this is worth selfing.
johnw
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Does C. adzharicum flower very late in the UK? I ask as quite awhile back - 11 Jan 2014 - I noticed a bud on one of mine and that was indoors at 17c under lights. It has not opened yet.
john
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Does C. adzharicum flower very late in the UK?
John, mine from Pilous seed usually start in early to mid December and go on to about March outdoors here in southern Ireland. They are earlier and last longer than most other coums I grow and really brighten dark winter days.
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Thanks Ashley re: adzharicum . Perhaps a transplant into fresh soil might help mine behave normally.
I have to ask forumists this question again. Back in the 60's when I started receiving garden magazines - I think it was weekly and called Practical Gardening from England - the coums were a very strident magenta. In the easterrn USA they were rare but the same colour, when I first got to Kew and Wisley they were the same colour. They really hotted up the winter gardens. Whatever happened to that strain? It went by various species names which escape me. Really valuable, still I can't imagine it would combine well with any clear pink ones, white yes but surelt pink. It must exist somewhere. Is it seen in the wild.
johnw
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I struggle with the pink-purple spectrum but suppose that magenta is a reasonable description of the colour.
Strident :o is even more subjective but to me it's bright against leaf litter without being unpleasantly so. The flowers are quite big too.
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SJW - Here's what I grow as C. kuznetzovii from the Cyclamen Society. The flowers improved greatly in year 2 or 3. The leaves as you can see are rather plain..
John - here's the plain-leaved 'kuznetsovii' I mentioned. This, and the silver-leaved one, would have come from the same packet of CS seed! The photo of C. coum 'kuznetsovii' on the CS website is of a plant with plain leaves and pale pink flowers (http://www.cyclamen.org/coum_set.html (http://www.cyclamen.org/coum_set.html) click on 'more pictures'). I don't know if 'kuznetsovii' is meant to conform to a particular 'type' but if the name just refers to plants from the Crimea then there would clearly be both leaf and flower variation in natural populations. I have a C. coum ssp caucasicum ex. Crimea with patterned leaves.
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I have to ask forumists this question again. Back in the 60's when I started receiving garden magazines - I think it was weekly and called Practical Gardening from England - the coums were a very strident magenta. In the easterrn USA they were rare but the same colour, when I first got to Kew and Wisley they were the same colour. They really hotted up the winter gardens. Whatever happened to that strain? It went by various species names which escape me. Really valuable, still I can't imagine it would combine well with any clear pink ones, white yes but surelt pink. It must exist somewhere. Is it seen in the wild.
johnw
John,
Elsewhere on this forum I described difficulties with growing cyclamen outside in my climate. My only coum that survived successfully and reseeds comes from cheap internet-based wholesale (and retail) supplier. The company is based in UK, but I believe the plants are grown somewhere else (in Turkey??) The big dry tubers had visible signs of growth in natural/semi natural conditions (eaten parts, holes, being bent, etc). The flowers and leaves are remarkably uniform, the flowers being of intense and relatively dark colour. This is in the sharp contrast with the pictures I can see in the forum, where pale colours dominate. Flowers of my plants also get pale when they age or weather gets warm. May be this is the clone you look for?
I have also bought a batch of coums seed-raised, potted, young yet flowering plants (so I could see their colour). The source was a big wholesale nursery based in Poland. These cyclamens were not uniform, with many of them having rather pale flowers. I have lost all of them in the winter.
Does it help? I can provide the name of the company if you wish.
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Thanks Jacek. It is good to know that the strident magentas were not just a selection in cultivation and that they do exist in the wild in Turkey.
I will keep trying from seed and maybe someday that colour will appear. Importing would cost alot.
It is heartening that Ian Y. has now a hardy strain for Aberdeen. We have a couple persistent coums but they do not like our altrernating wet and cold, especially when they sit under water with frozen ground. I am not particularly hopeful that they will persist long term.
johnw - 60mm of rain and heavy winds on the way late tonight and then headed across the Atlantic, a repeat on Wednesday. When will these storms let up? -1c
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Thanks Jacek. It is good to know that the strident magentas were not just a selection in cultivation and that they do exist in the wild in Turkey.
This is probably the most 'strident' colour form I have - from CSE seed. Strident in the sense that it's a deep shocking pink colour although I'm not sure if that's the shade you mean. (And the true colour is quite difficult to capture unless you're a skilled photographer, which I'm not :).)
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My most disappointing plant of the season so far - a C. coum 'Nymans Group' that's decided to stay small this year (I know the Nymans plants are meant to be relatively weak growers but...). Ist photo with normal size coum in the background, 2nd photo with the Nymans flower on the left.
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John, have you tried seed of Cyclamen coum 'Meaden's Crimson'. It has plain leaves and a very dark flower?
Cyclamen elegans
Cyclamen coum has not done well when I planted it in the garden but self sown seedlings have flourished in a number of places
A single plant under a Rhododendron
Mixed clumps in gravel by a low east facing wall
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This is probably the most 'strident' colour form I have - from CSE seed. Strident in the sense that it's a deep shocking pink colour although I'm not sure if that's the shade you mean. (And the true colour is quite difficult to capture unless you're a skilled photographer, which I'm not :).)
Steve, I think mine are similar. Just the colour is in such a contrast to any background - that's important if one wants to appreciate these tiny flowers in the garden from any distance. Leaves seem similar, too. The only difference is the number of flowers - see the picture 1. But mine are not in a pot. I'm not skilled photographer, either.
John, my coums sit deep in the sandy soil drained in summer by enormous suction of old birches roots. They are top dressed by 10-15 cm of leaves. I believe mixture of pine cones and pine needles might be even better, but in my garden proved to be inferior (not sufficient frost insulation). Altogether tubers are buried at a depth of about 20 cm. Of course, seedlings will not bury themselves that deep and one can plant that deep only big dormant tubers. I do not observe problems in freeze/thaw cycle. Do you have such conditions?
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...my coums sit deep in the sandy soil drained in summer by enormous suction of old birches roots.
I don't need to plant so deep in my relatively mild climate (by Canadian and Polish standards!). My most successful plantings have also been where there's competition from tree roots. In this case, hazel.
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Steve,
Your garden coum is just nice big plant - leafy and floriferous. Mine are never that good. Either climate or deep planting is an issue. Whatever - I am happy to have them outside. And - as I follow the method of Ian Young - the natural selection of seedlings may result in plants really adjusted to my conditions.
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The ants have been quite busy over the years... ;D
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The ants have been quite busy over the years... ;D
Who needs the 'Reading Method, eh? ;D The plants clearly like your conditions, Luc.
Here's a very confused C. purpurascens.
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Seed pot passed on to me by my friend Mike Quest- Cyclamen coum 'Nymans Group'
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Here's a very confused C. purpurascens.
Steve,
My C. purpurascens could be confused as well. But it isn't - unfortunately unlike in the case of C. coum its buds are not hardy. One of my C. purpurascens was blooming till first frost (late last year, end of November) with multiple buds still waiting. Now, as the winter is over here as well, I can see all those buds are dead. Who knows, what could happen in frost-free conditions. I have only one such late-blooming plant. It was blooming longer than any of my few C. hederifolium.
Seed pot passed on to me by my friend Mike Quest- Cyclamen coum 'Nymans Group'
David,
This is the colour I like.
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This is probably the most 'strident' colour form I have - from CSE seed. Strident in the sense that it's a deep shocking pink colour although I'm not sure if that's the shade you mean. (And the true colour is quite difficult to capture unless you're a skilled photographer, which I'm not :).)
Steve - That is a lovelky solid colour but not near the colour I try to describe.
The colour was much like this but lighter. It diod not mix well with many other colours.
johnw
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Jacek - C. purpurascens is our hardiest and best performer here. It can start to flower here at the end of May and continue on into November.
You asked re: coum "I do not observe problems in freeze/thaw cycle. Do you have such conditions?" Today the driver's door of my car was covered in ice, we needed a hair-dryer to get in. To blame is the eavestrough which flows well, it is full to the brim after a quick freeze a few nights ago.................
Roma - Cyclamen coum 'Meaden's Crimson' is a beauty and desirable but not close.
johnw
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I make no apologies for double posting (these and more in the Places to Visit thread) these pics taken last Sunday in the Churchyard at Killerton House, Nr Exeter, Devon. Cyclamen coum
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John, of course C. purpurascens is the only really hardy cyclamen in my climate. It has even one natural stand in Poland - I believe the northernmost edge of its habitat. I have only a dozen of plants but only one is willing to bloom into winter.
Re your climate - obviously I don't know it. It must be more "aggressive". Yet, here in Central Europe we have alternating snow, deep soil freezing and thaw. That's true - not every other day. And sometimes we have mild winters. According to my observations, out of those conditions only severe frost without snow cover is deadly to C. coum. Primarily the tubers are injured and not the exposed leaves and buds. After long-lasting frost down to - 30 Celsius two years ago I still had some flowers (just a few, though).
David, I would wish to see such a view in my garden. Who knows - in 40 years??
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...pics taken last Sunday in the Churchyard at Killerton House, Nr Exeter, Devon. Cyclamen coum
Absolutely incredible! To such do we all aspire.
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Re your climate - obviously I don't know it. It must be more "aggressive". Yet, here in Central Europe we have alternating snow, deep soil freezing and thaw. That's true - not every other day. And sometimes we have mild winters. According to my observations, out of those conditions only severe frost without snow cover is deadly to C. coum. Primarily the tubers are injured and not the exposed leaves and buds. After long-lasting frost down to - 30 Celsius two years ago I still had some flowers (just a few, though).
Jacek - Our climates sound very similar though on the coast we would never get as low as -30c, inland yes but it is warmer in summer inland here. My two gardens are bother on the coast, here in Halifax it rarely would get a little below -20c and then only briefly at night. Zone 6b. Most winters get to -15c to -17c. The cold has been persistent this year but no frost in the ground as snow has come just in time. The big challenge here is frozen ground combined with late March sun, at latitude 44 degrees we have the sun of Milan. The second garden very very rarely see frozen ground and -15c would be lowest, summers are extremely foggy and the hottest day has been +27 twice in 15 years - windows had to be closed by 8pm! Cannot ripen a tomatoe in the ground there but it's Z7b.
C. hederifolium can grown and seed here for 20 years and then get wiped out by one persistently cold snowless winter no matter what the low temperature, coum lasts 2 years. I through coum seeds about and one may be persistent OR a survivor replaces it every few years??? Seeds of that northern-most C. purpurascens are extremely important, you should grow more of them and get a hardier population going as Ian did.
johnw
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From seed (SRGC 08/9 1024) Cyclamen coum ssp. caucasiacum. Sown October 2009 and flowering for the first time.
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Cyclamen libanoticum and C.coum 'Ashwood Snowflake'
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A couple of plants that I am really enjoying at the moment, the first and last thing I look at in the greenhouse after work every day. Both are Rhodium ssp Peloponnesiacum bought at a cyclamen show a couple of years ago from Ian Robertson. The third picture is a pot of seedlings from seed I collected in the Noupandi gorge near Kardamyli and although nice they really do not compare.
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I am puzzled by my C. persicum f.albidum. It has produced more flowers this year than it has for some time but they are taking forever to open properly. I brought the plant in from the greenhouse at the beginning of the month and still only 2 out of 12 blooms have properly reflexed petals. Is it lack of light?
Erle
Anglesey. Watching the plants in my front bed to see how they survive having been inundated by Menai Strait twice this year.
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Cyclamen libanoticum and C.coum 'Ashwood Snowflake'
A couple of plants that I am really enjoying at the moment, the first and last thing I look at in the greenhouse after work every day. Both are Rhodium ssp Peloponnesiacum bought at a cyclamen show a couple of years ago from Ian Robertson.
Melvyn - looks like a good leaf on your libanoticum. They can often have quite a dull leaf - if the plants I have are anything to go by!
Pat - you must have been pleased to have snapped those up, great leaves.
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I am puzzled by my C. persicum f.albidum. It has produced more flowers this year than it has for some time but they are taking forever to open properly. I brought the plant in from the greenhouse at the beginning of the month and still only 2 out of 12 blooms have properly reflexed petals. Is it lack of light?
Not sure if it is lack of light, it's happened occasionally for me where sometimes the petals seem to 'stick' before eventually fully reflexing. Perhaps try moving it back to the greenhouse? I have no idea if a good day/night temperature differential is important for C. persicum as flowers are developing - mine are in the greenhouse rather than indoors - but temperature is a trigger for all sorts of plant functions, I think. Thereagain, it's an old trick to bring potential show plants indoors overnight in the week(s) leading up to a show to bring them on so that flowers will open in time (or move them somewhere cooler to hold them back) so it clearly isn't usually a problem to bring plants indoors for a short time...
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Three C. rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum, different leaves, all from the same seed packet (ex CSE 92060).
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C. rhodium ssp vividum.
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Very nice Cyclamen everyone .........
I always find this one a real challenge in the garden.
I did move it to this new location and hope it wil do better as in the past.
Cyclamen parviflorum. Very dwarf but not so easy under my conditions ......
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Nice plants everyone.
A Cyclamen cyprium has finally decided to stop flowering in a very arty way;[attach=1]
It started flowering on the 29th of September! The sunshine hitting the conservatory over the last days has made everything rocket. C. parviflorum and cyprium had only just stopped, and outside C. coum and libanoticum are stealing the show. Don't remember ever having so much in flower at the same time, all in all 8 species and one hybrid.
I tried to get a nice 'group photo' but failed so here a few individuals:
C. rhodium pelopponesiacum f. albiflora (is that really the name?
C. x meiklei
C. creticum
C. pseudibericum
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I make no apologies for double posting (these and more in the Places to Visit thread) these pics taken last Sunday in the Churchyard at Killerton House, Nr Exeter, Devon. Cyclamen coum
David just caught up - wonderful :o
I think this house also boasts wonderful drifts of repandum later on
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I think this house also boasts wonderful drifts of repandum later on
It does Ian they were in leaf.
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C. x meiklei
Being unsure as to the parentage of this hybrid, I was searching to check on cyclamen hybrid names - x meiklei is a cross between creticum and repandum
This is from an article on the Plant Delights site :
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and I thought this might be of interest to readers. .......
Cyclamen -Great hardy perennials for the garden by Dennis Carey and Tony Avent www.plantdelights.com/Article/Cold-Hardy-Cyclamen (http://www.plantdelights.com/Article/Cold-Hardy-Cyclamen)
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Hi Mark I am new to the SRGC, I have just read your comments about C.Persicum var autumnale my plant has always flowed over the winter never the autumn, it is still in flower now. I will post a pic tomorrow.
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White and pink forms of Cyclamen coum 'Russian Coum' and Cyclamen pseudibericum f.roseum
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Following the Cyclamen Society Midlands Group meeting on Sunday there was the usual tour of the cyclamen houses at Ashwood Nurseries to see the stock plants and stuff growing on.
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More from Ashwood.
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Seedlings are pricked out into rigid, fairly deep, plastic plug trays to grow on.
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Wow!
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Hi there!
The second flush of my C.coum "Porcelain" has started!
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More news from the Cyclamen Society, from Vic Aspland and Art Nicholls -
Following filming at the Birmingham Botanical Gardens, the BBC Gardeners' World programme to be broadcast on Friday 7 March will feature Cyclamen, with interviews with Vic Aspland and Nigel Hopes the BBG Alpine Area Supervisor.
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The attached pictures show Carol Klein with Vic during filming, and the section in her Gardening Club feature in the Sunday Mirror, in which she describes BBG as 'Brum's loveliest patch' and 'an inspiring place to visit'.
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She also found space to mention the forthcoming lecture by John Massey VMH OBE at the BBG Hepatica Day to be held on Sunday 16 March - see full details of that event here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11464.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11464.0)
Vic will be familiar to many from his writing for AGS and other Journals and for his super talks.
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@Maggi
I think I know this gentleman - I seem to remember that he was a guide for the helleborus tour in Ashwood Nurseries last year.
And this was the post at my weblog - sorry I only post articles in Japanese so please enjoy the pictures (or try Google translate or something) there..... ::)
http://wildcreampie.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/ashwood_26.html (http://wildcreampie.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/ashwood_26.html)
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Another nice plant my friend Mike Quest gave me- Cyclamen libanoticum. Many thanks Mike.
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for some reason I missed the notification for this thread and have just been catching up. lovely plants everyone.
I showed this one before but it's now at it's peak I think, it's a seedling from a plant of C. persicum autumnale I got directly from Peter Moore. The parent is a bicolour pink, this one is really intense.
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More news from the Cyclamen Society, from Vic Aspland and Art Nicholls -
Following filming at the Birmingham Botanical Gardens, the BBC Gardeners' World programme to be broadcast on Friday 7 March will feature Cyclamen, with interviews with Vic Aspland and Nigel Hopes the BBG Alpine Area Supervisor.
BBC website says : "In this episode, Carol is looking at one of the gems of early spring - the crocus, and meets world-renowned crocus expert Brian Mathew."
So not sure whether cyclamen or crocus, or both are to feature.....
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for some reason I missed the notification for this thread and have just been catching up. lovely plants everyone.
I showed this one before but it's now at it's peak I think, it's a seedling from a plant of C. persicum autumnale I got directly from Peter Moore. The parent is a bicolour pink, this one is really intense.
Lovely colour on that one Mark.
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Hi maggi saw the gardeners world programme yesterday 7.3.14, it only showed crocus which are great plants. It also featured Brian giving his expert advise, great guy. Hopefully vic and the cyclamen will be on next week.
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yes JS, fingers crossed for Vic and the Brum Bot Gdn. next week.
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Great colour Mark!
Here an ordinary but floriferous C. persicum.
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This Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum is in a square plastic pot double potted into a clay for a show last year or the year before. Curiously the leaves are coming up in 4 groups at the corners of the plastic pot.
Cyclamen x schwarzii
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Hi Roma a lot of my cyclamen plants do that, I was in my glasshouse yesterday checking over my plants and my peloponnesiacum is doing the same. The leaves and flowers must grow diagonally for a bit then grown upwards when they reach the edge of the pot.
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Hi Roma a lot of my cyclamen plants do that, I was in my glasshouse yesterday checking over my plants and my peloponnesiacum is doing the same. The leaves and flowers must grow diagonally for a bit then grown upwards when they reach the edge of the pot.
Not only do they grow horizontally - I find the petioles and peduncles of the repandum group also seem to grow downwards at first (hands up those who've seen a flower or a leaf poking out of a drainage hole even though the tuber is high in the pot?). When planted shallowly I find the fragile stalks can quite easily rot off if the watering isn't exactly right - particularly in plastic pots - because they head downwards. I've had much better success with this group since I started planting the tubers quite deeply in the pot. I assume it's because the developing leaves and flowers hit the bottom or tapering sides of the pot fairly quickly if planted deep and then head straight upwards.
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Cyclamen parviflorum from seed sown 2010
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Hi Rudi I Really like your parviflorum plant, I have never had much success with that one but I will keep on trying.
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One of my Cyclamen parviflorum from seed I collected on the Zigana Pass in 1997
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very nice Tony. I have some plants from 1990 CSE seed hidden away in a corner of the greenhouse. Nothing like as well flowered as yours and still in about a 4 inch pan but it's been the best flowering season for some time this year.
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Lovely Tony, one that has passed my collection by.
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It is another plant that likes my climate-cold and wet.
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One of my Cyclamen parviflorum from seed I collected on the Zigana Pass in 1997
Really lovely, Tony.
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That is a great plant Tony!
I had some in flower beginning of January, until mid February:
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At the moment Cyclamen libanoticum is flowering in the garden at the foot of a birch tree- I am very pleased with it. Never tried it outdoors and always had trouble with yellowing leaves, and only one flower or so. This looks promising, first flowering from 2011 seed:
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My first cyclamen for 2014 is Cyclamen graecum in the Rock Garden,
cheers
fermi
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Not as impressive as some of the plants in this thread,but the 1st flower on a very young plant.
C.balearicum
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Philip, nice plant. I find balearicum one of the more understated ones - but I'm extremely fond of it. Wonderful scent.
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Philip, nice plant. I find balearicum one of the more understated ones - but I'm extremely fond of it. Wonderful scent.
Hi Mark - we've had this conversation before about balearicum and creticum and the difficulty sometimes in differentiating between the two because of hybridisation...so I wonder whether the scent of the former differs from that of the latter? Vic Aspland gives an interesting talk on cyclamen identification based on where the roots arise on the tubers and also the shape of the latter. He says creticum generally has a poorer/weaker root system than balearicum (although I think they both root from one side). Perhaps that explains why they can be a bit miffy? So if you fancy knocking one out of its pot! :)
Here's persicum, pseudibericum and libanoticum.
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Steve, I think the scent is different for proper balearicum vs creticum. My problem is I think alot of the plants from Cyclamen Society seed I raised as creticum are hybrids. While the leaves look right the flowers have a faint pink veining - whereas I thought pure creticum is pure white. Not had a pink one to check. I seem to be down to one pot of pure creticum which was from CSE seed. That came up this year with lime green leaves. Not a good sign.
I find both species seem to be relatively short lived, ie about 10- 15 years and a fairly long period of decline - but balearicum tends to set seed more and germinates better so it's easier to have young strong plants. Or maybe it's just the way I grow them. I got seed of creticum from Jan Bravenboer but only one or two seedlings. Same thing with C.repandum album. Everything else I got from him are up. They just don't germinate so well for me.
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Here are photos of some cyclamen in my glasshouse in flower at the moment. The first is C. Persicum var. Autumnale, this was sown from seed that Orun Peri sent to me from Israel. It is the first time I have got it to flower. The second is C. Elegans which is just coming into flower, I had trouble with this species when I first started growing it but I think I have got it now. The third is C. Persicum forma Albidum, pure white flowers, looking really good. Fourth is C. Coum forma Pallidum, this is a scented plant I got from Jan bravenboer in the Netherlands, great guy. Fifth is again C. Coum forma Pallidum this one is without the scent.
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Here is C. Coum with sliver leaves that I got from Peter Moore down in Kent, starting to spread nicely, already surrounded a Madonna lily.
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Nice collection you are building John.
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I have to admit David they are a real favourite with me, I've been growing them for years. Been a member of the Cyclamen Society for a while and have entered plants into the shows at Wisley. The wife is real keen on them too which helps.
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...C. Elegans which is just coming into flower, I had trouble with this species when I first started growing it but I think I have got it now.
John - how do you treat elegans? Seems to do well for some people and not for others (I'd put myself in the latter camp). Perhaps some forms are just better 'doers'. Having scented coum is a bonus, and I like the leaf on that one as well.
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I do agree with you John - good flowers and great foliage is fine- but good scent is a real bonus with any plant in my book.
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Hi Steve to be honest I'm not sure, like I said earlier when I first started growing them I did not have much luck, but I think that might have been because I was a bit too easy with the water. Now I let them dry out a bit before I water again, also I give them a feed now & again with tomorite tomato feed. It seems to be working. The leaves on this plant are really good, you are a member of the cyclamen society aren't you? Do you go to the shows at wisely? If you want I can bring some seeds with me to the October show for you if you are going.
Hi magi the scent on this plant is really nice, some scents on cyclamen are nicer than others, I'd say purpuracens & colchicum are the best really sweet, some of the others smell like primroses, others like coconut. Do you grow them, if so smell them and see what you think.
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Two Cyclamen pseudibericum grown from my own seed collection
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Two Cyclamen pseudibericum grown from my own seed collection
Lovely pseudibericum roseum, Tony. Looks very close to a libanoticum-type shade of pink.
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As Tony has shown Cyclamen pseudibericum comes in a wide range of pink shades and when they are the good fragrant selections, fabulous!
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As Tony has shown Cyclamen pseudibericum comes in a wide range of pink shades and when they are the good fragrant selections, fabulous!
Now that is some great colour! I almost think I CAN smell the flowers!
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Hi Steve to be honest I'm not sure, like I said earlier when I first started growing them I did not have much luck, but I think that might have been because I was a bit too easy with the water. Now I let them dry out a bit before I water again, also I give them a feed now & again with tomorite tomato feed. It seems to be working. The leaves on this plant are really good, you are a member of the cyclamen society aren't you? Do you go to the shows at wisely? If you want I can bring some seeds with me to the October show for you if you are going.
John - yes, I'm a member of the CS and have had more free time these past couple of years to attend the shows at Birmingham and Wisley. In fact, I'll be at the Wisley Spring show at the end of the month which, annoyingly, clashes with the Hexham show (and the October show is also on the same day as the Newcastle show. Grrr!). Many thanks for the kind offer of elegans seeds but I'm ok at the moment as I have a few pots of seedlings on the go from this season's sowing. If I have any disasters with them I may get back to you!
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I thought I knew you name from somewhere, no problem with the elegans, what about the scented coum with the great leaves.
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John - I'll message you.
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Cyclamen cyprium and C. hederifoliumfrom SRGC seed sown Feb 2012, only the cyprium isn't as the leaves are not right.
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Anthony, that cyprium looks like hederifolium album. What are the leaves like? Twice I've had pink hederifolium mixed in with cyprium from the Cyclamen Society seed. Here's the usual cyprium flower
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Anthony, I think you just did an edit and put in the leaf pic as I posted. That leaf is hederifolium or maybe africanum, it's not cyprium. sorry :(
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Cyclamen alpinum out in the garden. I just checked my photo-log: it has been in flower for over a month now (in spite of several light frosts at nicht)!
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Bolinopsis, I think you will find that is coum. C.alpinum dosn't usually have any white on the basal blotch, it's a solid dark nose.
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C.repandum grown from seeds from Jan have started their new leafs. The flower will still take some time. Maybe this time is a white one with its first flower on the start.
I never expected this variation of the leafs. The leafs come up quite late and I think they will be hardy with me. They are still in a box. This time I will plant some outside.
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You've got a really varied selection of leaves there, I like the silver on the last one
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One plant from different source flowered outside in May. So one of the last Variations will be first out in my garden. I hope it will have some day the giant leafs I have seen in Italy.
At the moment they are very tiny.
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I have noticed with some coum I have in the garden the more shade they have the bigger the leaf
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Bolinopsis, I think you will find that is coum. C.alpinum dosn't usually have any white on the basal blotch, it's a solid dark nose.
Thank you Mark! I bought it as C. 'Alpinum' three years ago ... :-\ No wonder it is so weak - C. coum doesn't seem to thrive in my garden.
This is what it looked like last year.
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Anthony, that cyprium looks like hederifolium album. What are the leaves like? Twice I've had pink hederifolium mixed in with cyprium from the Cyclamen Society seed. Here's the usual cyprium flower
I agree. I had hoped the seed would be a mix from several sources, but they all appear to be the same. Hey ho. :(
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Something similar happened to me I thought I was getting purpuracens album, but when they flowered the were the normal purple colour
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I'm sure the same thing has happened to anyone who has grown plants through seed exchanges ;). This year I have a cyprium in among a pot of C. graecum ssp candicum seedlings. We do need to differentiate though between human error/misidentification/poor labelling - which is presumably the case with Anthony's hederifolium masquerading as cyprium (which look completely different from each other in flower and leaf) - and the usual diversity you get within a species. With something like purpurascens album, if the donor was growing the parent plant alongside pink flowered purpurascens and they are open pollinated then clearly there's a good chance that the album will give rise to pink-flowering offspring. I noticed at Ashwood Nurseries that their purpurascens album stock plants were covered with a netted frame to keep out any pollinators other than an optimist with a paintbrush. Well, I assumed the netting was to isolate the parent plants rather than just to provide extra shading...
Incidentally, I don't think there are many purpurascens album seed donors out there (it's a relatively rare plant). I've been trying for years to get seed through the CS exchange but it is always in really short supply or just not available - I was lucky last year, for the first time ever I got 5 seeds :)
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Hi there!
I sowed some seeds of Bowles Apollo which I purchased at the CS show Wisley last year and some are coming up right now - but the leaves of some look a kind of "pinky" like mirabile (please see the attached pix). Is it normal for Bowles Apollo? ???
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Hi naoto I have heard that the pink colouring is not just found on mirabile, but on other species. Wether this is true or not I don't know, I personally have only had the pink on mirabile.
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I had a libanoticum seedling a few years old that had pink marbling. Hederifolium also sometimes shows that.
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Incidentally, I don't think there are many purpurascens album seed donors out there (it's a relatively rare plant). I've been trying for years to get seed through the CS exchange but it is always in really short supply or just not available - I was lucky last year, for the first time ever I got 5 seeds :)
I've had purpurascens album several times from Cyclamen Society seed - unfortunately never a white form though I have an intriguing pure silver/ pewter form. I've got hopefully one or two seedlings from Jan Bravenboer, fingers crossed.
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I sowed some seeds of Bowles Apollo which I purchased at the CS show Wisley last year and some are coming up right now - but the leaves of some look a kind of "pinky" like mirabile (please see the attached pix). Is it normal for Bowles Apollo? ???
Be pleased, Naoto! The pink overlay was one of the distinguishing features of the original plant. http://www.cyclamen.org/RegisterPage39.html (http://www.cyclamen.org/RegisterPage39.html)
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Thank you for your answers, guys!
So would I still be able to call hederifoliums with two shields marks on leaves but no pink or red colour "Bowles Apollo", or I can't......? ???
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I have 2 Cyclamen purpurascens album grown from Cyclamen Society seed sown in December2007. They are slow growing, were slow to start flowering and only produce one or two flowers a year. They also go dormant much earlier than the pink purpurascens. I thought I was going to get seed this year but the seed pod aborted :( I got a nice floriferous pink form from the same lot of seed ;D
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Cyclamen libanoticum
Cyclamen pseudibericum
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Thank you for your answers, guys!
So would I still be able to call hederifoliums with two shields marks on leaves but no pink or red colour "Bowles Apollo", or I can't......? ???
I think Apollo group is the term that is generally accepted these days for all plants such as these and this is what I would label them.
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You can't call it 'Bowles Apollo' if it's from seed. Only cultivars that are vegetatively propagated, i.e. cloned, can bear the original cultivar name.
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You can't call it 'Bowles Apollo' if it's from seed. Only cultivars that are vegetatively propagated, i.e. cloned, can bear the original cultivar name.
I don't think it is as straightforward as that, Ralph, otherwise, for example, there could only have been one each of the various 'Tilebarn' cultivars or C. coum 'Golan Heights' because cyclamen are propagated from seed and not vegetatively. It's a minefield though! Personally, I tend just to use the species name for plants I raise from seed unless I am absolutely sure that the offspring are near enough identical to the named cultivar seed parent. Of course, to be sure of identity you can buy named plants from a commercial source and if it's a reputable nursery they'll have rogued out the dud seedlings and only sell those plants that conform to type. But isn't this what responsible amateur growers also do?
With Bowles Apollo plants being so many generations removed from the original plant, as Pat says, the convention is to call them 'Bowles Apollo' Group. I do the same for the various silver-leaved heds that have been given cultivar names - seedlings from these I just lump them together as 'Silver Leaf' group because, frankly, I'm not entirely sure how you distinguish between the various plants other than the obvious difference of flower colour. (Silver Cloud, White Cloud, Nettleton Silver etc)
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Thanks for your answers, guys!
So perhaps I think I should be modest to call it "Bowles Apollo Group" or "Bowles Apollo seedlings" etc....
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Looks as if I might have been too hasty? A second seedling in my pot labelled Cyclamen cyprium is now flowering (small flower with pink markings). Perhaps associated with the small dark leaf bottom centre right which is dark red underneath?
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Anthony, yes that's cyprium in flower and the middle leaf in each picture is cyprium. :)
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8) I'll wait a week or two, then carefully separate them.
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Can someone ID this Cyclamen that is flowering now
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Could it be pseudibericum?
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Could it be pseudibericum?
Could be but I have no idea. The label is completely faded
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Yeah I have a few like that
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Yes it is pseudibericum.
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The Cyclamen graecum posted a week ago is now in full bloom and we have another just coming into bloom - a softer pink,
cheers
fermi
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Hi fermides is this the usual time that graceum flowers for you? Here in the uk my plants flower between September to November.
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The six month difference from September to March seems about right for the gap form UK to Australia doesn't it?
We have a lot of bother getting C. graecum to flower here even under glass - to see such a fat lovely plant in fermi's garden is arousing plant envy here!
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I've heard maggi that if you plant graceum deeply and cover the tuber with a slate it can survive over here in the mildest districts. I have a friend in Belgium who uses this method and his plants survive
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They'll survive here under glass, but not flower worth a damn. :(
Roma gets nice flowers - shes' in the countryside about thirty miles away from us in the city - but she keeps her plants indoors. I suspect the benefit of a slate overhead is as much for protection against excess wet and cold. We can lose a lot of plants here through summer wet, never mind winter wet! :-X
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Yeah you might get away with it in the south coast of England but nowhere else. I would not try it here in Lincolnshire.
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Hi does anyone know what cyclamen this leaf is? it was grown from a batch of mixed seed.
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I'm not sure mate, but what a great leaves it has
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I'm not sure mate, but what a great leaves it has
yes it a large and very neat looking that is why i ask, my guess is persicum, but ?
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It might be, but then again it could be any of the others. When was it sown? Are there any flowers showing?
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the pot is labeled cyclamen, none have bloomed yet
these likely came from a second round SRGC or AGS seed request for remainder seed in the genus cyclamen.
Never expecting to see any results i mixed all the seeds in 6" pots and a few years later they are alive, now i have to figure out what is what.
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If you sowed them afew years back it might not be long before you get some flowers, then you might find out what you have. Some people can tell the species from the leaves alone, not me though. Hopefully some of the more experienced cyclamen growers on here might be able to help you.
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I'd also say persicum.
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When is the best time to separate a crowded pot of cyclamen seedlings? I presume when dormant but after the summer heat or before?
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I'd say when they are dormant, the will be easier to handle
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I try to leave them in the same pot for two to three years when they have made a good tuber
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When is the best time to separate a crowded pot of cyclamen seedlings? I presume when dormant but after the summer heat or before?
In the UK, people generally repot during August or even a bit earlier, it's suprising how early some plants will start to regrow, particularly if it's been a cool, damp summer.
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I will need to repot in leaf, unless I can identify which tuber is the one that actually belongs with the label.
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Hi fermi is this the usual time that graceum flowers for you? Here in the uk my plants flower between September to November.
Hi John,
as Maggi says we're 6 months out of sync with you and this is usually the time that this Cyclamen flowers with us. There hasn't been a lot of rain so far this autumn so the trigger must be due to the change of the season or the cooler nights.
As for Maggi's "plant envy" I only can dream of getting meconopsis, corydalis or nomocharis to grow while they proliferate alarmingly in a certain Aberdeen garden I've visited ;D
The good thing about the Forum is that we can share in plants we find ungrowable by enjoying them in other people's gardens,
cheers
fermi
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In the UK, people generally repot during August or even a bit earlier, it's suprising how early some plants will start to regrow, particularly if it's been a cool, damp summer.
Thanks,
btw there is rarely a cool damp summer here in the midwest, it is always either a hot wet or a very hot dry summer.
i will give my self a reminder to repot in late August- early Sept. around Labor Day.
Thank you
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I will need to repot in leaf, unless I can identify which tuber is the one that actually belongs with the label.
Anthony - the tubers of hederifolium and cyprium in the same pot should be fairly easy to identify when dormant. Any tubers with roots growing underneath from one point and offset to the side, and which are tilted at an angle into the soil (as if the tuber has been pulled down on that side) will be cyprium. Hederifolium will have a smooth underside with roots emerging from the top and sides of the tuber.
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Thanks Steve. I'll keep an eye on them. I have a lovely pot of pink hederifolium grown from Zakynthos seed flowering now.
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I have a lovely pot of pink hederifolium grown from Zakynthos seed flowering now.
Is it scented? My heds from Zakynthos are scented (and probably subsp. crassifolium). There were some really good leaf forms collected by the Cyclamen Society on their Zakynthos expedition, ex CSE seed sometimes available.
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Is it scented? My heds from Zakynthos are scented (and probably subsp. crassifolium). There were some really good leaf forms collected by the Cyclamen Society on their Zakynthos expedition, ex CSE seed sometimes available.
I'll have to check. My sense of smell is not great, so I may have to get a second opinion.
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To wet your nose will improve your sense of smell. I just tried because dogs have wet noses, it helps. ;)
I use saliva its always handy. ;)
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;D
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Cyclamen persicum - 4 out of 6 plants survived the big freeze of December 2010 and are just getting back to normal. Must get round to repotting one of these years
Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum - I've shown it before but I love those leaves ;D
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"love those leaves ........"
I thought you'd been painting again , Roma!
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Yes it does look as if I've been whitewashing the greenhouse wall ;D
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Hi there! Just got back from Wisley now.
1. Judging
2. Plants Sale
3. coum caucasicum crimea
4. coum
5. libanoticum
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Busy day at Wisley for outside societies - Orchid and Carniverous Plant socs. showing in glasshouse and Cyclamen Society Show too.
Picture purloined from Curator Colin Crosbie :
"Cyclamen Society Show today @RHSWisley with some great plants on display on the show benches. Judges in action!"
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- and as I'm posting this, Naoto returns from that very show!
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Part 2.
1. parviflorum
2. persicum cultivar
3. pseudibericum
4. rhodium peloponnesiacum
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Finally part 3.....
1. rhodium vividum ex CSE seedling
2. rhodium vividum
3. Displaying three kinds of leaves
4. Displaying three kinds of flowers
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and as I'm posting this, Naoto returns from that very show!
Ahaha......and if anyone saw a flat-ugly oriental faced guy at the venue, that was me!
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I love this rhodium leafs.
Not hardy I presume.
The nearest Leaf pattern is with me the hardy C.repandum. The flower is quite similar but not jet open.
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Hi naoto yes I saw you, just got back from the show myself, great day.
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Another Cyclamen graecum in the garden and Cyclamen mirabile ex Tilebarn Nicholas in the Shade-house,
cheers
fermi
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Hi naoto yes I saw you, just got back from the show myself, great day.
Oops! :-[
I enjoyed doing shopping there yesterday......I boutht Golan Heights (4 quid from G.I nursery) and Hacquetia epipactis Thor (3 quid), 4 bulbs of pleione Volcanella (4 quid) and this.....young pseudibericum - as the label suggests, this one, somehow, smells differently - very strong yet very sweet. I usually don't fancy the smell of pseudibericum (too "powdery" for me!), but this one smells really nice (and wallet friendly - 1.50 quid)
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You got some good bargains there naoto, i hope you do ok with the pleiones, they are great little orchids
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Hi maggi any chance you could put my pic upright please? Thanks John
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Hi maggi any chance you could put my pic upright please? Thanks John
Your avatar pic? Yes, sure- but I'm heartbroken you don't walk about like that!
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Yeah I'd get some strange looks if I did. Thanks for that your a star, the wife & kids can't take the mick now
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You're very welcome. Odd how some pix just turn sideways at times - it can be the devil to change some of them the right way up - we've had folks tearing their hair out to swap 'em.
I have to say you do look better now!
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Yeah I do, I tried it a few times, but it always appeared sideways.
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I went to Wisley for the Cyclamen and carnivorous plants . Going to join the cyclamen society as new boss has a collection I will be caring for soon . A great day , lovely weather . And as some one commented I need to make a cyclamen hat lol
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Hi Emma I heard your boss is Michael Tarzan heseltine is that right?
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He with the battle cry of "Yodel-odel-iron-o-lady-o", according to Steve Bell. Perhaps best not to mention that?
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Yeah that's him
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I suppose we must hope that Emma's new employer can tell the difference between Emma's opinions and comments and those of other people over whom she has no influence.
Great idea to join the Cyclamen Society, Emma - we let our sub. lapse, I admit, when we were on a cost-cutting exercise, but it's worth joining.
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Mmm I hope so too Maggi !
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Cyclaman rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum. Seed grown from 'Pelops'
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Hi Emma I heard your boss is Michael Tarzan heseltine is that right?
The same Michael Heseltine who that snob the late Alan Clark referred to as "a man who bought all his own furniture"!
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Cyclamen persicum
Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum
Cyclamen rhodium ssp. vividum
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Cyclaman rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum. Seed grown from 'Pelops'
Interested to see the plain leaf on your plant, David. While the subspecies generally has speckled leaves, plain forms presumably also exist in natural populations. Here's one grown from CSE seed. All the seedlings had speckled leaves apart from this one. It also has darker flowers than usual for Cyclaman rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum although, once again, I assume that darker forms do exist. Alternatively, of course, it's a hybrid!
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Here's two Cyclaman rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum from the same sowing as the one above.
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Roma, that's a decent colour on your vividum. I only have one flowering plant which I have labelled as vividum although the flower colour isn't as strong as the best forms. I also thought vividum had red undersides to the leaves but mine is green. Natural variation again? I think there is a 'transition zone' between Cyclaman rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum and Cyclaman rhodium ssp. vividum where presumably you get intermediate forms.
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Hi Steve I really like your peloponnesiacum plants
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Hi Steve I really like your peloponnesiacum plants
Thanks, John.
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No problem mate
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The white Cyclamen graecum has survived the incursion of Errol the Echidna! He had dug through this area and I was worried he'd destroyed the corm, but I found the first flowers this weekend, thank goodness!
cheers
fermi
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The white Cyclamen graecum has survived the incursion of Errol the Echidna!
Echidnas and cyclamens are probably not the best combination. ::) :o
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On "Flowering now Southern Hemisphere" Maggi commented on how shiny the leaves on this Cyclamen hederifolium grown from Zakynthos seed are. There are two or three seedlings in this pot.
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hello friends,
this nice plant is just flowering in the garden here.
Cyclamen repandum var. albiflora
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140409-122652-253.jpg)
enjoy
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A couple of mine
Cyclamen persicum from Cyprus
Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum
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I think generally seedlings resemble their parents - here's a case where that is not so.
First up the original C. persicum var autumnale from Peter Moore, bought as a tuber. Then a set of seedlings showing different flower shape and a huge variation in colour. The leaves however are similar and all seem to have a strong constitution.
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I think generally seedlings resemble their parents - here's a case where that is not so.
First up the original C. persicum var autumnale from Peter Moore, bought as a tuber. Then a set of seedlings showing different flower shape and a huge variation in colour. The leaves however are similar and all seem to have a strong constitution.
Mark that's the fun. My persicum autumnale from PM seed is the same colour as your last one.
Here we are coming to a peak. The picture below shows some of the plants flowering at present. There are in variety persicums, pseudibericums, repandums pink and album, rhodium peloponnesiacums and vividum
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Here we are coming to a peak. The picture below shows some of the plants flowering at present. There are in variety persicums, pseudibericums, repandums pink and album, rhodium peloponnesiacums and vividum
That's a colourful sight, Ian. Mine are just starting to go over, although flowerbuds now appearing on some of the purpurascens.
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Hi can anybody please tell me if c. Repandum album is hardy in the uk? I have got five of these plants and want to try some outside. I have heard that they are not as hardy as the pink plants, does anyone know for sure? Thanks john
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That's a colourful sight, Ian. Mine are just starting to go over, although flowerbuds now appearing on some of the purpurascens.
Thanks Steve they are slowly getting past their sell by date here too
Hi can anybody please tell me if c. Repandum album is hardy in the uk? I have got five of these plants and want to try some outside. I have heard that they are not as hardy as the pink plants, does anyone know for sure? Thanks john
John I will let you know in a couple of years ;)
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Your going to give it a go Ian? Good luck.
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Cyclamen repandum in the garden here in North Yorkshire. After a weeks holiday today I came back to dazzling sunshine and a spring garden exploding with colour.
I don't have old enough plants of C. repandum 'Album' to plant them out, but the ordinary one does seem to like it and seedlings of the plant in the picture are coming into flower after 3 years of direct growth in various positions in amongst bluebells, forget-me nots, snowdrops etc. It really has surprised me how well so many species seem to do outdoors!
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I just love the young colour of Cyclamen mirabile leaves.
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Hi Bart your repandum are looking really great, I have them under a hydrangea bush and they do really well and spreading nicely. Anthony the leaf on your mirabile looks amazing, I have never had them with so much pink on the leaves as yours has.
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The pink colour doesn't last long.
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Maybe but it's great to see
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Cyclamen rhodium peloponnesiacum, rhodium vividum and repandum
Cyclamen persicum
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Beautiful collection of cyclamen Roma, you sure know how to grow them. Do you show them?
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Roma has exhibited some great cyclamen - she won a Forrest Medal with Cyclamen mirabile at the Discussion Weekend show last year and also with a Cyclamen rohlfsianum at the 2004 Discussion weekend show .... and those are just her two best results!
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"The Highland Discussion Weekend held in Elgin was a great event with many interesting plants at the show. The Forrest Medal was won by Aberdeenshire's Roma Fiddes, with a charming Cyclamen rohlfsianum. Roma is an expert with cyclamen, as her several of her exhibits showed. Roma is a great believer in growing from seed. She has a knack for it, that's sure."
http://files.srgc.net/Showreports/GrantonDWE2013.pdf (http://files.srgc.net/Showreports/GrantonDWE2013.pdf) - The Cyclamen Queen strikes again!
http://files.srgc.net/Showreports/GrantownonSpey2013.pdf (http://files.srgc.net/Showreports/GrantownonSpey2013.pdf)
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Roma should show her plants at the cyclamen society shows maggi, give everyone a run for there money
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Bit of a long journey for her from rural Aberdeenshire to Birmingham or Wisley, or I'm sure Roma would enter those shows.
I hope she doesn't mind me posting about her successes - she's too modest to do so herself, I think. :)
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Yeah it is a long way for her, it's a pity, I'm sure she would be a success at the shows.
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Looks like the pink on the leaves of Roma's mirabile is less ephemeral than on my plants.
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Looks like the pink on the leaves of Roma's mirabile is less ephemeral than on my plants.
Might be explained by the differing light levels in Auckland and Kintore?
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I've been checking up and the Cyclamen mirabile leaves do fade though they maybe take longer here depending on light conditions at the time. I have dated the pictures. I think the plant was at its best around September 18th. I was very surprised it won the Forrest medal as I thought it was well past its prime but do not argue with the judges (especially if they find in your favour) ;D
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Great plants Roma
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Thanks,John and Maggi. I don't think my plants would look that good next to some of those appearing at Cyclamen Society and AGS shows.
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I don't know Roma if your pics are anything to go by your plants look pretty good to me.
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Mine came from SRGC 2011 seed exchange. I'm absolutely delighted with them. 8)
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I found a mystery Cyclamen in the plunge, I suspect it's C. meiklei (C. repandum x creticum).
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Hi Mark,
My C. x meiklei are a lot more flimsy compared to your mystery cyclamen. Could it be rhodium pelopponesiacum f. albidum?
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This has just come into flower. It is labelled Cyclamen repandum and was from Cyclamen Society seed sown in 2001. I don't remember noticing it in flower before. The flowers are much smaller than my other repandums. A hybrid with balearicum?
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Hi Roma could it be Repandum album?
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Here is a persicum with silver leaves and a green edge around the leaves, plus a single flower. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/25/u2ubyhep.jpg)
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This has just come into flower. It is labelled Cyclamen repandum and was from Cyclamen Society seed sown in 2001. I don't remember noticing it in flower before. The flowers are much smaller than my other repandums. A hybrid with balearicum?
Hi Roma - do the flowers have any veining? Is the underside of the leaves green or red/crimson?
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Hi Steve - the flowers do have faint veining but only near the edge which gives a picotee effect (if you look close enough). I've just been out to look under the leaves. I would say they are green flushed red.
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Thanks, Roma, although I'm no nearer IDing your plant! Would the flowerv veining and red underside suggest, as you note, a balearicum cross? The flowers also look quite 'stumpy'.
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Had a closer look at the flower today (with my reading specs on). The stigma is not exserted so that would indicate balearicum. The books say balearicum can have stumpy flowers though the ones photographed all seem to have longer petals. I took a pic today to show the size of the flower compared with a normal repandum.
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It could be a cross then Roma
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Or even straight balearicum. People do make mistakes when collecting seed and when labelling plants. When I have a lot of seedlings I do not always label every pot. I did have a lot of repandum, rhodium and some balearicum a few years ago and could have made a mistake. The leaves could be either.
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Yeah I know what you mean, I had some seeds which I thought were purpuracens album a few years back, three seeds germinated. Then last year they flowered, they turned out to be the normal purpuracens, so it does happen.
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Todays surprise
C.repandum planted outside in 6b since June 2011. First flower last year.
Today :o :o
Next time I try some of my white ones outside.
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The small flowered Cyclamen persicum cultivars that I purchased from the garden centre last November (see Cyclamen 2013 Reply#455 8th November) flowered well all winter, but are now looking rather sad. What should I do now? Should I knock them out of the pots and dry them off and replant in the autumn. or repot now? What potting mix should I use?
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The small flowered Cyclamen persicum cultivars that I purchased from the garden centre last November (see Cyclamen 2013 Reply#455 8th November) flowered well all winter, but are now looking rather sad. What should I do now? Should I knock them out of the pots and dry them off and replant in the autumn. or repot now? What potting mix should I use?
Ralph - I'd start to dry them off now in their pots under cover. Although if you suffer from vine weevils in the garden it would probably be worth checking for grubs before taking them into the greenhouse...
Garden centre plants are usually in peat-based composts which isn't ideal for cyclamen in my experience. I'd use a much grittier, free-draining mix and repot anytime over summer into dry-ish compost. Give the pots a good soak in late summer to start them back into growth and then be careful with the watering until the leaves are up and growing away.
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First flower today on Cyclamen cyprium grown from NARGS Seedex 2010 seed (donated by Erich Pasche) sown 7th June 2010;first seedlings 31st July 2011; kept in the shade-house - not sure if these be planted out safely here.
Apologies for the quality of the pics - I had to bring the pot inside to take them,
cheers
fermi
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Ralph - I'd start to dry them off now in their pots under cover. Although if you suffer from vine weevils in the garden it would probably be worth checking for grubs before taking them into the greenhouse...
Garden centre plants are usually in peat-based composts which isn't ideal for cyclamen in my experience. I'd use a much grittier, free-draining mix and repot anytime over summer into dry-ish compost. Give the pots a good soak in late summer to start them back into growth and then be careful with the watering until the leaves are up and growing away.
Thanks Steve.
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Cyclamen creticum in wild, with pale rose forms.
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Nice to see the pink Cyclamen creticum, Vincent. I did have a pink one from Cyclamen Society seed a few years ago but lost it in the 2010-2011 winter. It seems the most tender of the Cyclamen I have tried to grow apart from rohlfsianum which lives in the house.
I still have Cyclamen persicum, Cylamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum, rhodium ssp. vividum and repandum in bloom but the new season will start soon with new leaves and flower buds beginning to appear on purpurascens and colchicum.
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Cyclamen creticum... lost it in the 2010-2011 winter...
Same here, Roma. Although I do have a pot of SRGC creticum seedlings doing well in the house.
...the new season will start soon with new leaves and flower buds beginning to appear on purpurascens and colchicum.
And while we're waiting there's always the developing seed pods to admire - each species different. I don't recall this cyprium plant having such large pods in previous years. Also noticed that there's no seed set at all on any of my graecums which is unusual ???
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A few more.
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I've just started my Cyclamen re-potting, and a question please. I have a bunch of pots of Cyclamen graecum all grown from seed sown August/September 2008 and these have so far produced tubers of around squash ball size. None have produced flowers and the tubers/roots look healthy enough. My mix is my usual bulb mix (JI No.2, sand, grit) augmented with composted bark. I have never fed any of my Cyclamen apart from the odd watering with tomato fertiliser having read somewhere that they didn't need it. Am I doing something wrong?
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No response from the experts, David so I'll try. Most of my Cyclamen graecum are from Cyclamen Society seed from wild collected plants. They were sown in 2003 and 2004. I had a few flowers in 2009 and 2 or possibly 3 plants had 12 to 15 flowers in 2010. They got frozen in that winter and the most promising plants died. It took the survivors a couple of years to recover. I have them in the sunniest corner of the greenhouse. I don't have a plunge but do give them a little water during the summer. A few did have flowers last year but one in particular had many flowers and even set lots of seed. Others did not even produce leaves and I think some have died. I have a white one from Paul Christian probably pre 2000. It used to flower well on the upstairs bedroom windowsill beside the rholfsianums but is now permanently in the greenhouse and does flower. I have had a few Cyclamen graecum in the past which never flowered. Hope this helps. Not sure if it's the 'good form' or the warmth and sunshine which is most important ;D
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Thanks for that Roma, you give me hope.
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Hi David I have just read your question, I am the same as you if I have some tomato feed left in my can after watering my toms and cucumbers I water my cyclamen plants that are growing with it. Like you I have heard that they don't need it, I grow my graceum plants in a sunny spot in the greenhouse as they grow in open sunny places in Greece. Maybe you could try a different place to grow them see if it makes a difference. It works for me.
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David i use a soluble fertilizer on my Cyclamen as well as on my african bulbs.
Not for advertising, but i use this one http://www.elixirgardensupplies.co.uk/01058-1kg-soluble-grade-potassium-chloride-fertilizer.html (http://www.elixirgardensupplies.co.uk/01058-1kg-soluble-grade-potassium-chloride-fertilizer.html) which give good results.
On my 3's old bulbils i fertilize with 2/1/1 NPK, azote helps small leafs to absorb more light. the first 2 years i don't fertilize at all, the substrat contains enough nutriments.
With this diet i get flowers in 4-5 years.
However i'm not a Cyclamen expert, other talented growers in this forum should have better recipes.
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I've just started my Cyclamen re-potting, and a question please. I have a bunch of pots of Cyclamen graecum all grown from seed sown August/September 2008 and these have so far produced tubers of around squash ball size. None have produced flowers and the tubers/roots look healthy enough. My mix is my usual bulb mix (JI No.2, sand, grit) augmented with composted bark. I have never fed any of my Cyclamen apart from the odd watering with tomato fertiliser having read somewhere that they didn't need it. Am I doing something wrong?
David - are your graecum tubers still crowded in their original pots or have they been potted on individually? If it's the former then I'd pot them on into 3"/3.5"/4" pots, depending on tuber size. Your potting mix should be fine (I sometimes also add a bit of bonemeal) but graecum do like a hot, sunny dormancy period. The trick is to give them a good baking without shrivelling the tubers and killing the roots! As Roma says, they do benefit from a bit of water over the summer. As you know, traditionally the tubers would be in plunged clay pots with the sand kept just damp but with no water in the pot itself. I don't plunge so if we've had a really hot spell I just give them a drink by standing the pots in a shallow tray of water but not for too long - just dampish soil needed, not moist. Some pots I also have standing on sand in gravel trays and I wet the sand when I notice it's dried out. As you're repotting now, there should be enough moisture in the fresh compost to keep the tubers plumped up and roots healthy before they are given their first drenching in August/September. I also use tomato fertiliser but usually at around half-strength although this probably isn't critical.
Actually, as your tubers are only (!) 5 years old I wouldn't be too disappointed just yet. They should start to flower for you soon. Those who can get them flowering within 3 or 4 years must really be giving them optimal growing conditions, but for us mere mortals...! It's also down to the seed parents as well, I think. Some clones are just more precocious than others.
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Thank you John, Yann and Steve, hope springs eternal!
Steve, I have my graecum in clay long toms but not plunged.
In 2009 Tony Willis was kind enough to send me seed from Cyclamen cyprium 'ES' and this was sown min mid-October 2009. It has proved to be extraordinarily prolific and I now have a number of spare corms available (6 I think) some of which are of flowering size. Anyone who would like one PM me please and in view of our exorbitant international postage rates UK only please. Example pic below from earlier this year:-
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Steve, I have my graecum in clay long toms but not plunged.
David - I keep mine in plastic pots until they've flowered and then I transfer the better ones to clay (optimistically hoping they'll turn out good enough to show!). For younger plants I find it easier to control the watering regime in plastic - smaller clay pots can dry out so quickly if not plunged, particularly in a hot greenhouse. Not so much of a problem with larger, clay long toms of course.
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One of my better Cyclamen purpurascens - very early this year, in the past I've shown it still in flower at the Cyclamen Society show in September...
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One of my better Cyclamen purpurascens - very early this year, in the past I've shown it still in flower at the Cyclamen Society show in September...
Steve, is that 'Green Ice'? Super plant, whatever the name
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Steve, is that 'Green Ice'? Super plant, whatever the name
Hi Diane, thanks. No it's not one of Jan B's. It's one of my own plants selected from the offspring of Cyclamen Society seed originally sown about 15 years ago. It doesn't breed true (there's a suprise!) but I've got a few similar daughter plants coming on and by a process of selfing and sibbing in a few years I'll probably still end up with pots of non-identical seedlings ::)
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Hi Steve your purpuracens is looking really great, I have a young plant
Grown from cyclamen society seed just starting to flower. All my other plants are still
Ripening the seeds and no sign of flowers.
P.s. Are you going to Birmingham in September?
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Hi John - I've just finished harvesting the last of my purpurascens seeds and have a number of plants coming into flower but others not yet started into new growth. It's obviously partly down to natural variation but I still puzzle over the relative importance of temperature and moisture in stimulating the growth of new leaves and flowers in purpurascens. They certainly like plenty of water throughout the summer.
Yes, I should be at the Birmingham show (I may even have some young purpurascens for the sales bench!)
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Hi Steve they do like a lot more water throughout the year than other species I wonder if it's due to the plants being more or less evergreen? My colchicum plants like simular treatment.
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Even here in coastal Nova Scotia C. purpurascens stays thoroughly evergreen, with or without snowcover. It only shuts down from late December through mid-March and never appears distressed. corms sitting atop the soil take winter in their stride. Summer drought is not to its liking and it prefers to self-sow under dwarf shrubs rather than out in our "sun". In a good moist year it will flower from late May until early December barring a very hard freeze.
Unquestionably it is the hardiest of all the cyclamen species, at least given our conditions.
18c & overcast.
johnw
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I have had a really good seed harvest this year, here are some seeds drying.
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I have had a really good seed harvest this year, here are some seeds drying.
Hi John,
You must be secure in the knowledge that wasps or ants can't get at them ;D
cheers
fermi
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Hi fermi yeah I hope I've got them safe, I don't want those pests in the house
attracted by the seeds, the wife would kill me. :)
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I need advice.
I want to collect as many C. purpurascens seeds as possibble. My plants are only in the garden and none of the seed pods have opened yet. I have already new leaves and flowers. I do not remember the timing pods opened in recent years, but I remember that seeds are stolen immediately.
Should I observe carefully and collect all pods when first is open (that's difficult) or I can do it earlier? Ian suggests in his Bulblog that early collection does not do any harm. Is there any sign that pods are ripe before they open themselves??
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They become soft short before opening.
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Give one or two of the pods a squeeze and they should split open enough for you to see the colour of the seeds. If white they are not quite ready and I'd leave them for a bit longer, but if they are amber in colour, or a darker brown, then I'd harvest. As noted above, the hard pods do start to soften as the seed ripens so that's a good indication.
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Great thanks. Now I go to test their softness.
We've had relatively moist and cool late spring/early summer this year and C. purpurascens looks great. In my area which is prone to drought water seems to be crucial in stimulating early and lush growth of this species. Not the temperature.
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A young plant of C. purpurascens with a promising leaf.
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with a promising leaf.
which one ???
;D
Sorry, couldn't resist it!
It does look good, Steve,
cheers
fermi
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which one ???
;D
Sorry, couldn't resist it!
It does look good, Steve,
cheers
fermi
Yes, I could have phrased that better! (Right of centre ;D).
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Just returned from the beautiful Greek island of Paxos. The island is a superb place for Cyclamen with 80% of it ideal habitat. The olives here are grown entirely in terraces and retained by old dry stone walls of which there must be hundreds of miles, even the paths through them are walled the same. I doubt there are many tracks or paths on the island that do not support cyclamen. This time of year there is very little in the way of visible growth, just dried up leaves and the evidence of tubers. The one plant we did find with leaves was similar to the dark leaved plants found on Zakynthos. We were able to bring back a fair amount of seed and I am indebted to my wife for finding most of it, while I look in the more obvious places my wife pokes around with a stick at random and always finds more than I do, so this year I am going to add her initial to the collection number something I should have done in the past. There does not seem to be too much threat to the plants from development most of which is new private villas and nothing of any size. It is a great island for walking with a good footpath map and detailed walking guide available, for the first time in many years we did not hire a car, we used the local bus and shank's pony. Attached are a few pictures of the habitat, the obvious regeneration and the few leaves we saw. On the last day we saw a single freshly opened flower on the path to the beach, the date June 30th, one very confused cyclamen hederifolium.
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two more
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Great photo's Pat, I'm going to have to make a return trip to Greece to see some for myself if I can persuade the family.
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Just returned from the beautiful Greek island of Paxos.
Sounds wonderful, Pat. How do you get there, presumably a ferry from Corfu or the mainland?
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Yes Steve as this was a package holiday you have to endure the hellhole that is corfu airport. You just try to blank it out and look at it as means to an end.
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Nice photos Pat, looks like it would be good to go there October or November.
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Nice photos Pat, looks like it would be good to go there October or November.
Found this photo on google image of a Paxos olive grove in October. Looks like there's cyclamen growing everywhere.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n3nbDzNlWQY/Uz52IOu8CwI/AAAAAAAABH4/QC8SFfUtRsw/s1600/PA230044.JPG (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n3nbDzNlWQY/Uz52IOu8CwI/AAAAAAAABH4/QC8SFfUtRsw/s1600/PA230044.JPG)
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Found this photo on google image of a Paxos olive grove in October. Looks like there's cyclamen growing everywhere.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n3nbDzNlWQY/Uz52IOu8CwI/AAAAAAAABH4/QC8SFfUtRsw/s1600/PA230044.JPG (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n3nbDzNlWQY/Uz52IOu8CwI/AAAAAAAABH4/QC8SFfUtRsw/s1600/PA230044.JPG)
A lovely photo in itself - but yes, just look at all the flowers! Cyclamen heaven.
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The first Cyclamen hederifolium in flower in the garden today...Autumn is coming!
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The first Cyclamen hederifolium in flower in the garden today...Autumn is coming!
:o Melvyn you horror! Go and wash your mouth out :P - we're only just getting summer!
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Maggi, I've got Acis autumnale flowering. I haven't noticed any Cyclamen hederifolium - yet.
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Maggi, I've got Acis autumnale flowering. I haven't noticed any Cyclamen hederifolium - yet.
Oh good grief - what is the place coming too? I'm feeling the year slipping away!
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My only starring cyclamen at present are C. coum in various leaf and flower forms but this one is interesting because I am not aware of this colour in C. hederifolium. Of course it started months ago but has retained the reddish shade well into winter. It's a rather sad tuber, rescued from a grassy and almost dead pot when we moved more than a year ago. It didn't come up for months last year and didn't flower but has decided that life is worth while after all.
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Hi Lesley
Lovely to see a bowles apollo that looks the real deal. Super plant, you must sow any seed from it or better still send some to me just for safe keeping. There are several clones of hederifolium that show this pink colouration but most plants of apollo strain seem to have lost it over the years it is great to see it is still a possibility.
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Oh yes , great plant Lesley !!! :o
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The first Cyclamen hederifolium in flower in the garden today...Autumn is coming!
My first flowering potted cyclamen, the Dutch- bred, dark flowered hederifolium. Would probably have been a deeper colour if I'd have kept the pot in more shade. I think this strain is generally early to flower so it probably doesn't feature as much as it could on the autumn show benches. Although I know Pat (Cycnich) has managed to coax a later show of flowers for one of the AGS autumn shows and the Cyclamen Society show. Quite difficult to capture the correct colour with a simple point and shoot camera as can be seen by these different shots of the same plant!
Lesley - not often you see the Bowles Apollo red colouration persisting like that, very nice.
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I was checking some pots in to which I had sown various seeds, I found that in one of them marked C, Purpurecens Album a tiny seedling, success at long last :). I have put it in a shady part of my greenhouse and keeping everything crossed that I can keep it growing.
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I was checking some pots in to which I had sown various seeds, I found that in one of them marked C, Purpurecens Album a tiny seedling, success at long last :)
And let's hope the seed donor had isolated the seed parent from any pink-flowered purpurascens! :)
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Last month I spent a few days in Croatia and Bosnia. I saw C. purpuracens in flower in the hills above Samobor, a small town just west of Zagreb. Most of the plants looked in need of water; the woodland areas here and further south around the Plitvice National Park were very dry, more so than I've ever seen before in early June. This is the first time I've seen C. purpurascens flowering so early in the wild.
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Thanks for the comments about my 'Bowles' Apollo.' It's one (or two actually, since I have the same plant in both pink and white-lowered forms) I've had many years and though it usually flowered well, I've had almost no seed but in future I'll keep a better eye out and Pat if there is any next season I'll certainly send it. Perhaps you'd send me your postal address in a PM so that I don't forget. Oddly however, I've never had this red colouring until this year.
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Hi Steve I got the seed from Jan over in the Netherlands so hopefully it is a white plant.
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Hi lesley
Thank you for your kind offer. I think the white form of apollo is called Artermis. Hopefully someone will confirm this.
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Hi Pat & Lesley I've just taken a look in the book by Chris grey Wilson, you are right the white
Version is called Artemis.
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When checking the seed pods on my cyclamen, I came across these ones:
Cyclamen intaminatum, last in flower in January this year:
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and Cyclamen parviflorum, also re-flowering since January:
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More in line with the seasons the first C. purparescens have opened, the first is 'Green Ice'.
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So the white flowered form should be 'Bowles' Artemis'? In that case mine as pictured may be that since it hasn't flowered last or this year and I don't know which it is and I'm not sure where the other is at present ( ::) :-[) but I imagine the pink 'Apollo" would be more likely to have the red colour on the leaves. Time will tell me - I hope.
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Whichever one it is Lesley you have a cracker of plant just for the leaves alone.
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So the white flowered form should be 'Bowles' Artemis'? In that case mine as pictured may be that since it hasn't flowered last or this year and I don't know which it is and I'm not sure where the other is at present ( ::) :-[) but I imagine the pink 'Apollo" would be more likely to have the red colour on the leaves. Time will tell me - I hope.
I see that C. hederifolium Bowles Apollo Group 'Artemis' was a Tilebarn introduction. http://www.cyclamen.org/RegisterPage40.html (http://www.cyclamen.org/RegisterPage40.html)
I'm not sure how consistently it breeds true though. Particularly a few generations down the line, away from Peter Moore's watchful eye! The seed exchange Artemis I've sown in the past have given very patchy results. Some decent plants but none that really matched the cultivar description.
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The two that I've had for many years as 'Bowles' Apollo' (but one, presumably is 'Artemis') have been confirmed by Peter Moore back in 1981 (or was it 93?) as the true plant. He saw photos then and was very definite about it. I simply can't remember where I got them but I think it was from seed rather than as tubers. I have to admit that this year the patterning seems a little less strong but I think that's current nasty weather as it's definitely one of the original 2 plants. They always had very big leaves and the silver and green were very strongly contrasted compared to other, even very good, forms.
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Maybe they came from Peter himself. I did bring home quite a few Cyclamen in 1981. Worth noting that they all travelled well and established half a world away, with the single exception of the white C. cilicium.
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Worth noting that they all travelled well and established half a world away...
Lesley - sounds like my aunt and family who were £10 poms back in the 1960s!
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Oh yes, I remember them, well not your family specifically of course. Many British people came here at the time and most certainly did settle happily though a few didn't like us or our lifestyle and repatriated. I think some English didn't like - and still don't like - the informality of life downunder. We tend to be very casual about some things, even more so nowadays. I remember my mother (Scottish to the core, though a second generation NZer being deeply shocked when I called the minister at my church and my doctor, by their first names. She didn't do such a thing ever though knowing the minister at least, much better than I ever did. :)
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Not very scientific, I know, but all the NZers I've ever met have been lovely people. Many years ago I shared a bedsit with one in Earl's Court - now there's a stereotypical location - who taught me some scurrilous rhymes about Australians ;). The exception, of course, is when they pull on the Black jersey at which point they become insufferable (because they're better than everyone else at the game, he says through gritted teeth)! ;D
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My first Cyclamen of my new season, C. hederifolium. Growing in a north facing raised bed that always has a little moisture. Not as 'fuzzy' as the picture.
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Oh darn, I was sure you could send a little seed of C. hed. 'Fuzzy Form.'
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;) ;D
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Young purpurascens plants appreciating the cooler/shadier conditions under the bench and beneath the tomatoes. Not sure if the latter is such a good idea as I'll have to keep removing spent tomato flowers from their pots and foliage, and keep an eye out for pests. But greenhouse space is at a premium! :)
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hello friends,
this is the first purpurascens this summer in my garden
Cyclamen purpurascens
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140730-151356-344.jpg)
enjoy
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hello friends,
this is the first purpurascens this summer in my garden
Here's mine.
Goofy- what happened to the photo showing purpurascens 'Fatra' (or fatrense)? I was going to comment that there seems to be two types in cultivation: 'Fatra' and 'form from Fatra'. The former with plain leaves and the latter I think with marked leaves. I assume they both have darker flowers than average??
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hello Steve, sorry for the missing pic.
it was from last year :(
I have two seedlingplants from a buddy in Czech Rep.
which originate from "Velka Fatra" mountains,
and both have same color. its not so dark.
these plants have plain leaves and a paler color.
maybe there are also cultivars with darker color.
But I have not seen any "fatrense" for years in nurseries.........
(sometimes I heared that plain leaf are only called "fatrense"
but are not true from Fatra mountains)
new pics will follow later :)
as far as I know, "all fatrense" from cultivation have plain leaves,
but my buddy told, that there are also plants
with marbeled leaves are in the mountains......
cheers
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I have two seedlingplants from a buddy in Czech Rep.
which originate from "Velka Fatra" mountains,
and both have same color. its not so dark.
these plants have plain leaves and a paler color.
maybe there are also cultivars with darker color.
But I have not seen any "fatrense" for years in nurseries.........
(sometimes I heared that plain leaf are only called "fatrense"
but are not true from Fatra mountains)
as far as I know, "all fatrense" from cultivation have plain leaves,
but my buddy told, that there are also plants
with marbeled leaves are in the mountains......
Hi Goofy, yes it's my understanding that the Fatra form has plain leaves although I think Green Ice nursery also sell a marbled-leafed variety they call 'form from Fatra' to distinguish between the two. I think the only way to be sure you have the real deal is to get seed or seedlings from the region itself, as you have. Once they're in cultivation and not grown in isolation, and the bees get to work...
Here's a young plant grown from seed exchange seed labelled 'Fatra' :-\
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hey Steve, just believe it :)
its nice
cheers
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At our FCHS Rock Garden meeting on Saturday there were a few nice cyclamen.
The Cyclamen coum and C. pseudibericum were grown by Andrew, one of our members who's also a dab hand at Tecophilea (see the Southern Hemisphere Thread!) but I think cyclamen are his main love.
The Cyclamen persicum came from the AGS Seedex years ago as "ex Israel" - I grew the seed to flowering size and gave one to Otto who planted it in the FCHS garden - it was never so floriferous at my place! It's surrounded by sticks to try to deter the cockatoos!
cheers
fermi
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This may have been discussed before or it may have been in the Cyclamen Society Journal. I have some Cyclamen grown from Cyclamen Society seed sown in December 2007. The label says Cyclamen hederifolium confusum ex PN99/151 Zakythnos.
The new cyclamen book casts doubt on this name and says plants found on Zakythnos may be Cyclamen hederifolium ssp. crassum. The plants are large and fast growing. One in particular has very sturdy stems and large flowers and leaves and has 3 flowers open now. They are early flowering but confusum is supposed to be late flowering. What is the true identity of this collection?
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Has anyone seen this before. I've seen other Cyclamen, particularly persicum develop new growing points round the edge of a damaged growing point or large tubers grow from several points. This is the first time I have seen new growth from under the tuber. I don't think it grew 2 years ago. Last year it was very slow in starting then produced lots of leaves round the edge of the pot. The first picture is from the top.
Cyclamen hederifolium 'Fairy Rings'
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This may have been discussed before or it may have been in the Cyclamen Society Journal. I have some Cyclamen grown from Cyclamen Society seed sown in December 2007. The label says Cyclamen hederifolium confusum ex PN99/151 Zakythnos.
The new cyclamen book casts doubt on this name and says plants found on Zakythnos may be Cyclamen hederifolium ssp. crassum. The plants are large and fast growing. One in particular has very sturdy stems and large flowers and leaves and has 3 flowers open now. They are early flowering but confusum is supposed to be late flowering. What is the true identity of this collection?
Roma - Pat Nicholls (cycnich) would be better placed to comment on this as the seed was originally collected by him! I received some of the original seed back in 99/00 through the CS seed distribution and I've sent in seed from one of its offspring for quite a while now. So it could be from my plant which is a strong grower with dark leaves and a central silver 'splosh' (but not quite so distinctive or as good as 'Silver Shield'). Here's more info from Pat:
From the Cyclamen Society Journal, December 1999 (Vol 23 No.2)
“On a recent family holiday to the Greek island of Zakinthos, Pat Nicholls collected seed of C. hederifolium for the Society's seed distribution. In the ruins of the Venetian fort above Zakinthos town, Pat reckons he found C. hederifolium var. confusum* (which would be consistent with the record of its presence on the island in Kit Grey-Wilson's book). The plants were growing under pines in quite dense shade and though they were dormant some idea of the size of the leaves was clear from the dry remains. The leaves were much larger than normal, as indeed were the seed pods. Pat concedes that this may have been due to the habitat, but the plants were similar to confusum he had seen on Crete and others which he grows himself. Pat collected these seeds under the number PN/99/151, and he would be interested to hear about the plants that result in a few years' time.”
*this would now be classified as C. hederifolium subsp. crassifolium, C. confusum being restricted to Crete.
I also have a plant from seed collected on the same trip (PN/99/152) which is a much slower grower and with small, plain green leaves. There's a photo of it in flower in the Autumn Show report in the December 2013 journal.
Steve
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Has anyone seen this before. I've seen other Cyclamen, particularly persicum develop new growing points round the edge of a damaged growing point or large tubers grow from several points. This is the first time I have seen new growth from under the tuber. I don't think it grew 2 years ago. Last year it was very slow in starting then produced lots of leaves round the edge of the pot. The first picture is from the top.
Cyclamen hederifolium 'Fairy Rings'
No, not seen such an extreme example as that. Perhaps the top of the tuber received some trauma last year that has stimulated the development of dormant growing points further down the tuber? (Although I see that there is new growth from the top as well...). I've been disappointed with the two Fairy Rings plants I've bought. Correction, the one Fairy Ring plant I have left. They've never really taken off and growth has been slow and sparse. I don't know if this cultivar has a reputation for being a bit weak and miffy?
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...So it could be from my plant which is a strong grower with dark leaves and a central silver 'splosh' (but not quite so distinctive or as good as 'Silver Shield').
Although I'm sure I wouldn't have labelled it as confusum for the seed exchange! Because it hasn't formally been identified as crassifolium, I think I usually send in the seed as hederifolium scented (ex Zakynthos PN99/151).
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Interesting Roma .
Here hederifolium was very early to and the red ones Always come first.
This C. purpurascens grows in the hottest part of my rockgarden. Ful sun whole day long , hot and dry place to.
Sometime the leaves are curved downwards due the warmth but except for that it thrives .
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Roma - Funny Ken was repotting some ex 'Fairy Rings' last night, discovered the same bizarre shoot formations, went on the SRGC and found your recent post. Here's a purpurascens whose growth stalk either rotted off last year or was eaten off by a slug, usually it takes ages for a new growth point to start up again so this was rather surprising.
Kris - Here too a silver purpurascens with large dark flowers. Most here are happiest in filtred sun especially this year as it has been so dry. This is the first time I have seen them with curled leaves in full sun.
johnw
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Kris - Here too a silver purpurascens with large dark flowers. Most here are happiest in filtred sun especially this year as it has been so dry. This is the first time I have seen them with curled leaves in full sun.
johnw
Very promising John , many flowers to come ......
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This may have been discussed before or it may have been in the Cyclamen Society Journal. I have some Cyclamen grown from Cyclamen Society seed sown in December 2007. The label says Cyclamen hederifolium confusum ex PN99/151 Zakythnos.
The new cyclamen book casts doubt on this name and says plants found on Zakythnos may be Cyclamen hederifolium ssp. crassum. The plants are large and fast growing. One in particular has very sturdy stems and large flowers and leaves and has 3 flowers open now. They are early flowering but confusum is supposed to be late flowering. What is the true identity of this collection?
When I collected the seed back in 1999 Cyclamen confusum as it is now was still considered a variety of hederifolium and ssp crassifolium was not even heard of. I sent the seed to the society as Cyclamen hederifolium PN99/151 Zakynthos but it was never labeled confusum by me this must have been added by somebody else over the years. I did think at the time it may have been confusum but further research over the years by the society has proven otherwise. If I were to collect that same seed today I would label it Cyclamen hederifolium but would add it may be ssp crassifolium ?. The Ionian islands are still a subject to ongoing research by the society and the question of whether ssp crassifolium grows on any of them has not really been answered. One thing I m sure of is that plants from Zakynthos are some of the best in cultivation and the variation is greater on this island than anywhere I have seen in Greece or the islands, I was lucky to return there in 2008 as part of the society field trip and we saw some amazing plants. At the moment I will continue to call my Zakynthos plants hederifolium until the research is complete.
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I was at Kew yesterday (camera was back in Devon!) and there we're patches of Cyclamen graecum in full blossom in the Rock Garden as well as in pots in the alpine house.
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Thanks Steve and Pat. I have a few spare plants which I hope to sell at the Discussion Weekend so it is good to have the correct name. I will label them hederifolium ex PN99/151 Zakynthos.
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Pictures from last year
Cyclamen hederifolium ex PN99/151 Zakynthos on the left beside a normal sized Cyclamen hederifolium
Leaves
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Wow! :o A big beauty. Will have keep a keen eye on the sales table ;D
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Wow! :o A big beauty. Will have keep a keen eye on the sales table ;D
And the seedex - I have some seed I'll send in.
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very nice all.
I'm wondering if I've made a monumental blunder here. I added a top dress of beech leaf mould and blood, fish and bone to my Cyclamen in pots. I've noticed that a few of those that are in flower, (C. purpurascens and C. hederifolium) have the flowers keeled over and it looks like some of the buds have gone. I did it just a couple of days ago and since we've had wind and rain - also the chipping were taken off, the top dressing and the chippings put back that I suppose might have done some harm.
I'm now wondering about the rest of the plants I did the same thing to in the greenhouse.
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There is quite a lot of readily available nitrogen on blood fish and bone- which may be the problem.
Not sure if that will be the answer. :-\
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true, but would it have that effect within a couple of days?
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That I don't know - but if it were going to have a "burning" effect then cyclamen growth is very fleshy and, I would think, more vulnerable than growth with more substantial "body" to it.
When I think of how Shortia flowers withered before my eyes when I gave them a gentle spray with soapy water, I am not surprised than ghastly effects can indeed happen at speed. ::) :'(
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I'm a strong dis-believer in using organic fertilizers for potted plants. The soil microbiota in a pot is vastly different from in the ground -- depauperate. You are more likely to be feeding potentially pathogenic micoorganisms in a pot than in the soil. Organic fertilizers can have salts in them as well as having the nitrogen almost exclusively as ammonia and amino acids. Plants cannot utilize either of these efficiently, but they are manna from heaven for bacteria and fungi.
That said, I grow mostly geophytes from arid and semiarid climates having low natural soil fertilities. The problem above sounds like too much salt to me -- too much sodium and/or too much chloride.
Jim
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very nice all.
I'm wondering if I've made a monumental blunder here. I added a top dress of beech leaf mould and blood, fish and bone to my Cyclamen in pots. I've noticed that a few of those that are in flower, (C. purpurascens and C. hederifolium) have the flowers keeled over and it looks like some of the buds have gone. I did it just a couple of days ago and since we've had wind and rain - also the chipping were taken off, the top dressing and the chippings put back that I suppose might have done some harm.
I'm now wondering about the rest of the plants I did the same thing to in the greenhouse.
Mark - what about the leaves on your purpurascens, have they been affected also? Sounds to me as if the buds and flower stems could have started to rot off with all the rain? Also perhaps the new top dressing is holding too much water around the top of the tuber which would contribute to the problem...
I'd check the ones in the greenhouse to see how wet the compost is and whether the buds look healthy - they won't have been subjected to all that outside rain. I'm really careful about not getting the top of the tuber too wet when starting my pots back into growth to minimise the risk of rots setting in, although I still have casualties every year! (purpurascens is more forgiving though). In my experience, it's a watering and/or claggy compost problem that kills most cyclamen in pots and I'd check that out first before pointing the finger at the blood, fish and bone.
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Mark - I'm with Maggi on this one and suspect the "hot" bloodmeal, the fish meal I am not familiar with. We cannot get away with top-dressing cyclamen in pots as in this climate (at latitude 44) as it leads to rot, not as quickly however as in your case. Late October / November / December are bad for botrytis as well so corm tops must be exposed. Perhaps better to de-pot and place the new compost in the bottom of the pot.
Thanks for the tip Jim, I always suspect organic fertilizers might not be so wise in pots. Getting a slow release that releases in our cool weather is a challenge in retail sizes.
johnw
still parched while others in the east are flooded
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Out of interest, here's the data sheet for blood, fish and bone fertilizer: http://www.william-sinclair.co.uk/files/uploads/file/Gardening/COSSH%20PDFS/plant_foods/Fish_%20Blood_&_Bone.pdf (http://www.william-sinclair.co.uk/files/uploads/file/Gardening/COSSH%20PDFS/plant_foods/Fish_%20Blood_&_Bone.pdf)
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thanks for all the replies - I think the fungal, burn and physical "clagging" are all likely culprits. I've removed the top dressing from my C. parviflorum as a precaution. I did the whole lot but I think many the tubers are pround and the topdress isn't too close to any growing points - e.g the C. persicums. Some are buried anyway and the top dress doesn't get into contact with the tuber or any growth (some of the repandum types) but the rest I'll need to look over.
I do agree that having anything even chippings close to the growing points is a problem for many species. Odd that C. purpurascens is one of them because my limited experience of them in the wild is that even the floral trunks are buried in pure leafmould that is generally moist in the summer.
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Cyclamen colchicum
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Hi gang!
Does anyone know about C.coum "Alice D"? I've been trying to find the details but I can't.......
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Jan Bravenboer's list says :
"C. coum 'Alice D', silver leaf, different pink (RHS 67 A paling into 67 B, red purple corolla) "
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Here are a couple of Cyclamen Colchicum plants that i'm growing, the one in flower is in the greenhouse & the other one I am trying in the garden to see how well it does or not. I am also growing two young C. Purpuracens plants that I have grown from seed, I have them in the shade of some crinum plants.
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Jan Bravenboer's list says :
"C. coum 'Alice D', silver leaf, different pink (RHS 67 A paling into 67 B, red purple corolla) "
Thank you, Maggi! - though it makes me think what "RHS 67A" and "RHS 67B" are........ ???
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Thank you, Maggi! - though it makes me think what "RHS 67A" and "RHS 67B" are........ ???
They are colours on the Royal Horticultural Society colour chart. These are used to standardise colour descriptions of plants. One man's mauve is another man's puce ::) so the RHS colour chart is meant to remove such subjective description difficulties.
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They are colours on the Royal Horticultural Society colour chart. These are used to standardise colour descriptions of plants. One man's mauve is another man's puce ::) so the RHS colour chart is meant to remove such subjective description difficulties.
Follow this link on the blog of Forumist Jim Shields to read about colour charts : http://www.shieldsgardens.com/Blogs/Garden/201002.html (http://www.shieldsgardens.com/Blogs/Garden/201002.html) - relevant part is about three quarters of the way down the page .
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Thought it was time I posted a few Cyclamen pictures
Cyclamen purpurascens album
Cyclamen purpurascens
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Cyclamen colchicum
The seedlings from 2009 have done much better than those from 2007
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Hi Roma your purpuracens & colchicum plants are looking really great.
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Hello Roma, Good to see your plants looking so well, I particularly like the very pale C.colchicum, haven't seen one as pale before.
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Roma - Did you have to grow many plants from seed to land two white purpurascens? I ask because I have received seed from Europe and the Cyclamen Society and there are usually very few per packet. As luck would have it they've never sprouted unlike all other purpurascens seed. Very nice chunky flowers there by the way.
I wonder if it is possible to have a white with marked foliage? Haven't seen one yet.
johnw
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John, you can have purpuracens album with marked leaves. If you squint at the picture on Jan Bravenboer's site you will see one with marked foliage.
My experience has been either no germination or they are pink from Cyclamen Society seed - although I did get a nice silver leaved one amongst them.
I may have one seedling from seed from Jan but it's a long way from flowering.
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Thanks Johnstephen & Melvyn. The plant front right in the first picture is very pale. They are all from Cyclamen Society seed sown in 2007 and 2009.
Johnw - I sowed 5 seeds of Cyclamen purpurascens album from Cyclamen Society seed in 2007. I think 4 germinated and two were pink with patterned leaves and two with plain leaves and white flowers. I do not remember trying it any other time. I must have been lucky. The white ones have been very slow and do not produce many flowers. 3+1 this year. No seed either :'(
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Hi Mark I have had the same experience as you with regard to purpuracens album, the seed I received from the society were all pink, I was disappointed that they were not white, but I still had some great little purpuracens plants all said and done. I turned to Jan and I have also managed to get a seed to germinate in the spring, I have everything crossed that it's white.
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Whites could appear in the second generation from those pinks so keep them going!
johnw
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My first two of the Season from the greenhouse:-
A nice little white Cyclamen intaminatum
Cyclamen mirabile
Both are from seed and grown by my friend Mike Quest who passed them on to me a couple of years ago.
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This came as Cyclamen peloponnesiacum rhodense from the seed exchange. Sown Feb 2012. Is it now Cyclamen rhodium peloponnesiacum?
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That's as I understand it Anthony.
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Cyclamen Rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum. The ssp is important as this is now a recognised sub species
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Does the fact that The Cyclamen Society Web Site appears to list it as "repandum ssp pelopponnesiacum" and appears not to list any "rhodium" species that there is some dissention in the ranks (as it were) about naming?
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According to The Plant List,
"Cyclamen rhodium subsp. peloponnesiacum (Grey-Wilson) J.Compton & Culham is a synonym of Cyclamen repandum subsp. peloponnesiacum Grey-Wilson This name is a synonym of Cyclamen repandum subsp. peloponnesiacum Grey-Wilson.
The record derives from WCSP (in review) (data supplied on 2012-03-23) which reports it as a synonym with original publication details: J. Cyclamen Soc. 27: 72 2003.
Full publication details for this name can be found in IPNI."
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Does the fact that The Cyclamen Society Web Site appears to list it as "repandum ssp pelopponnesiacum" and appears not to list any "rhodium" species that there is some dissention in the ranks (as it were) about naming?
Unfortunately the Cyclamen society website is badly in need of updating. Rest assured it is on the agenda but may take some time.
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Thanks Pat.
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The fact that it has a trinomial would make "ssp." redundant.
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Sorry Anthony I thought you just wanted to write a plant label.
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The fact that it has a trinomial would make "ssp." redundant.
Eh! ;D
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The fact that it has a trinomial would make "ssp." redundant.
Whilst true in zoological nomenclature (where there are only subspecies, no varieties of forms) in botany, names below the rank of species must include a qualifer to indicate the rank, i.e. subsp., var., f., etc: http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/main.php?page=art24
(http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/main.php?page=art24)
In the example given, Saxifraga aizoon var. aizoon subvar. brevifolia f. multicaulis subf. surculosa may also be referred using the trinomial Saxifraga aizoon subf. surculosa. Without the connecting term "subf." in the trinomial, it wouldn't be possible to know what rank the name has.
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They have "var" and "form loc" in animals (particularly butterflies) too, but Genus species subspecies seems pretty standard.
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They have "var" and "form loc" in animals (particularly butterflies) too, but Genus species subspecies seems pretty standard.
Of course. In most cases it is safe to assume that a trinomial for an animal will be referring to a subspecies, but taxonomic levels below subspecies aren't generally covered by the code for zoological nomenclature.
In plants, where varieties and forms occur with much greater frequency the code for nomenclature does apply. If I receive a plant labelled "Narcissus bulbocodium nivalis" or "Crocus kotschyanus leucopharynx", it's not clear from the trinomial that "nivalis" and "leucopharynx" are varieties rather than subspecies, which is why the code advises the use of a connecting term. This doesn't matter so much to gardeners, but is more important to botanists, especially if your working with these plants in the field.
Of course, sooner or later one of those botanists will take a break from their fieldwork to review their taxonomic status and upgrade/demote them to another rank, so it's probably easier to ignore the connecting terms to save us rewriting labels ;D
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A part of my Cyclamen purpurascens has funghi on the leaves. Can somebody say me what this could be and how can one fight against it? Many Thanks
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Here are some more cyclamen that i have in flower, the first is Cyclamen hederifolium var. hederifolium f. albiflorum 'Perlenteppich', grown from cyclamen seed about four years ago and spreading nicely, next is Cyclamen hederifolium var. hederifolium, lovely pink flowers, next is cyclamen hederifolium Red Sky with dark pink flowers, next i have found this cyclamen flowering in my greenhouse with no label to identify it, i think it may be cyclamen intaminatum, if someone can confirm this i would be grateful, it has small light pink flowers with a darker nose. Lastly i noticed Cyclamen coum subsp. caucasicum has already started into new growth in the greenhouse.
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Success :)
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A part of my Cyclamen purpurascens has funghi on the leaves. Can somebody say me what this could be and how can one fight against it? Many Thanks
Udo - this may help? http://extension.psu.edu/pests/plant-diseases/all-fact-sheets/cyclamen-diseases (http://extension.psu.edu/pests/plant-diseases/all-fact-sheets/cyclamen-diseases)
Is it new or just old leaves that are affected? If the latter I'd be inclined to remove them.
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Here are some more cyclamen that i have in flower, the first is Cyclamen hederifolium var. hederifolium f. albiflorum 'Perlenteppich', grown from cyclamen seed about four years ago and spreading nicely, next is Cyclamen hederifolium var. hederifolium, lovely pink flowers, next is cyclamen hederifolium Red Sky with dark pink flowers, next i have found this cyclamen flowering in my greenhouse with no label to identify it, i think it may be cyclamen intaminatum, if someone can confirm this i would be grateful, it has small light pink flowers with a darker nose. Lastly i noticed Cyclamen coum subsp. caucasicum has already started into new growth in the greenhouse.
pictures very pixelated when enlarged - sorry, I have no idea what's happening with your photos!
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I wonder if it's because John's pictures show as being saved as .png files. Maybe if he saved them as .jpg files instead all would be well.
I haven't a clue what I'm talking about ??? ;D
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A part of my Cyclamen purpurascens has funghi on the leaves. Can somebody say me what this could be and how can one fight against it? Many Thanks
Hi Udo
There are thousands of different fungi that infect almost every know plant, many host-specific. Many of them are collectively termed 'rust' fungi, which is what I think you have. The two main species that attack cyclamen are Coleosporium tussilaginis and Puccinia lagenophorae. they infect Tussilago and Senecio species in the wild.
Rusts have a complicated life cycle which can run to five stages, some requiring a different host to complete the cycle. They are largely disfiguring rather than fatal. I would recommend removing and burning the affected leaves and maybe the use of a fungicide to reduce the chance of reinfection.
At this time of year most rusts will have reached the telial stage with teleutospores (overwintering resting spores) produced on the underside of the leaves. At leaf-drop, they remain dormant in the soil and reinfect the young leaves in spring.
Chris
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I wonder if it's because John's pictures show as being saved as .png files. Maybe if he saved them as .jpg files instead all would be well.
I haven't a clue what I'm talking about ??? ;D
Well spotted, David - that will be the problem, I'm sure - saving as jpg or jpeg is the way to go. While .png filed are permitted to be loaded, I think the srgc resizer is meant to work for jpg so it seems that is the most likely source of the difficulty.
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Thanks for your help Maggi & David, I'll give it another go.
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Many thanks, Steve and Chris.
These are of all new leaves, the points often already appear few weeks after the development of the foliage sheets. Only empty Cyclamen will strike it, under trees and shrubs they stay healthy. To struck plants blossom, nevertheless, well and bring constantly new leaves.
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John, I think your no-label is C. mirabile - going by the fringed ends to the petals.
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Cyclamen purpurascens silver. Good leaf, unruly habit.
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Hi Anne I did think of that, but I thought it was one too small for mirabile & two is was too early. That's why I though of intaminatum.
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C. hederifolium with darker flowers .
Hederifolium - seedling in the garden .
C. persicum already in leaf again , this is rather early ....
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Found these hederifolium seedlings growing under a hardy geranium, will leave them alone for the winter and move them next spring.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5580/15045896135_bcf060d77e_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15045896135/)
image (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15045896135/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Steve, what a fabulous leaf shape on your silver leaf C.purpurascens, haven't seen that before.
John, I agree with Anne's identification, definitely C.mirabile.
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Steve, what a fabulous leaf shape on your silver leaf C.purpurascens, haven't seen that before.
I can echo that - how big a pot is that in?
It seems that all my hederifolium seedlings are white this year - just been re-potting all the cyclamen in the alpine house will post pictures when they flower
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Thanks Melvyn, I didn't think mirabile flowered this early, none of my other plants are even showing. You were right Anne.
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Steve, what a fabulous leaf shape on your silver leaf C.purpurascens, haven't seen that before.
I can echo that - how big a pot is that in?
Thanks. The young leaves also have a pink tinge which is another bonus. It's in a 6"/15 cm pot.
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Thought I'd share this pic of a Cyclamen rohlfsianum in flower - from Cyclamen Society seed.
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Thought I'd share this pic of a Cyclamen rohlfsianum in flower - from Cyclamen Society seed.
Mine are nowhere near as advanced (although I don't plunge). It's an exciting time of year though, isn't it, with all the pots stirring into life?
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Most of the rest are tiny. For some reason my oldest tuber threw out two leaves in summer (as it the hot time a month or two back) but most are bearly perceptible pink bumps on the tubers.
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Some more cyclamen are starting to flower in my greenhouse, the first are three pots of Africanum, one in flower & two with buds showing, next is Hederifolium Silver Leaf with two flowers, light pink with a dark pink nose, next is again Hederifolium this has just one flower so far, but it is completely white, next is cyclamen Confusum given to me a couple of years ago by Pat, lovely pink flowers, i have some seedlings from this plant just coming through, I'm hoping to put them in the garden next year. Lastly here is the Mirabile I had trouble with earlier, it's really taken off, I can see it is mirabile now with the way the flowers have the points at the end, it took me long enough, Anne & Melvyn i bow down to your superior knowledge :) I had a sniff at the flowers, coconuts springs to mind.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5557/15073485506_2227631880_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oXZy69)image (https://flic.kr/p/oXZy69) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3897/15073427596_5a636c13eb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oXZfSG)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/oXZfSG) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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I decided to repot my Cyclamen rohlfsianum yesterday. The two bigger ones are in 9 inch pots. I did consider putting them in bigger pots but I needed two hands to carry them and managing the stairs without holding the banister is getting a bit tricky so I squeezed them back in the same pots. The slightly smaller plant got a bigger pot. The first one is about 6 inches diameter and 5 inches deep. The second slightly smaller and number three a little smaller still. They had about one inch clearance all round at the top and reached about halfway down the pot. It was interesting that they had grown down the way when they were running out of room sideways.
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I decided to repot my Cyclamen rohlfsianum yesterday. The two bigger ones are in 9 inch pots. I did consider putting them in bigger pots but I needed two hands to carry them and managing the stairs without holding the banister is getting a bit tricky so I squeezed them back in the same pots. The slightly smaller plant got a bigger pot. The first one is about 6 inches diameter and 5 inches deep. The second slightly smaller and number three a little smaller still. They had about one inch clearance all round at the top and reached about halfway down the pot. It was interesting that they had grown down the way when they were running out of room sideways.
Quit interesting to see Roma ! Strange that he go downwards .
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Looks like you've got lots of flowers coming through, Roma. How old are those two tubers?
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Looks like you've got lots of flowers coming through, Roma. How old are those two tubers?
They were sown in 1983 so I suppose that makes them 31 years old. I think the parents are still alive at the Cruickshank Botanic Garden in Aberdeen. They were collected in Libya in 1952.
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Super plants Roma. I wish I could flower it that well. Here on the south coast you would think it would be ideal but I fail miserably every year, lots of leaves but very few flowers. Please post some pictures when they are at their best.
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They were sown in 1983 so I suppose that makes them 31 years old. I think the parents are still alive at the Cruickshank Botanic Garden in Aberdeen. They were collected in Libya in 1952.
It's a testament to your green fingers, keeping tubers going for over 30 years takes some doing.
Pat - do you have plants from different sources? As you know, the earlier rohlfsianum introductions weren't that floriferous (or attractively leaved) I seem to recall. If any of the young plants I have growing on look like being good flowerers, I'll put one aside for you!
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Thanks for your kind offer gratefully accepted Steve. I checked my only remaining plant today and it doesn't look too bad this year. I have had many plants from many sources over the years and I think it is me and not the plants that are the problem I just don't grow it very well.
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hello friends,
some of my Cyclamens are flowering nicely.
Cyclamen purpurascens, with a nice strong smell
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140904-095825-53.jpg)
Cyclamen hederifolium, "funny" Stargazer
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140904-095826-673.jpg)
Cyclamen hederifolium albiflora, 'White Cloud' self sown seedlings bed
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140904-095825-843.jpg)
enjoy
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In my collection are some Cyclamen purpurascens f. album and I try always to produce seeds/seedlings
Until now the seedlings Comes always up with pure white flowers ..but today I saw a nice surprise :o
All flowers of this plant has dark veines ...and the edges of the petals have a hint of pink - really interesting
I will look in next year if the flowers on this plants are same - here are two pics :
enjoy
Hans
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Interesting feature Hans.
Here a part of my hederifolium bed. Not as much flowers as previous year. Time for some extra mulch and feeding ..........
On the other hand some masses of good seedlings ....
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Hi kris how often do you feed your cyclamen & what do you feed them with?
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My best Cyclamen purpurascens
Cyclamen hederifolium with ex. PN99/151 Zakythnos on the right
Two Cyclamen mirabile ex Tilebarn Nicholas' from SRGC seedex 2001
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Hi kris how often do you feed your cyclamen & what do you feed them with?
Hi John.
Once in a year (just before the start of the season ). I use a special bulb fertilizer from a local company. I think that it is not available in the UK . (DCM special bulb fertilizer) . I mix the fertilizer with leafmould and very fine bark. I spread this mulch on the Cyclamen bed .This year I run out of time and so I did not do it ....
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My best Cyclamen purpurascens
Cyclamen hederifolium with ex. PN99/151 Zakythnos on the right
Two Cyclamen mirabile ex Tilebarn Nicholas' from SRGC seedex 2001
Great plants Roma ! Especially the mirabile.
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Cyclamen graecum:
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Hi Kris every so often in the growing season I give mine tomorite at half strength, it's a tomato feed over here.
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In my collection are some Cyclamen purpurascens f. album and I try always to produce seeds/seedlings
Until now the seedlings Comes always up with pure white flowers ..but today I saw a nice surprise :o
All flowers of this plant has dark veines ...and the edges of the petals have a hint of pink - really interesting
I will look in next year if the flowers on this plants are same - here are two pics :
enjoy
Hans
Hello Hans,
i have a similar 'problem'.
A part from seedlings Cyclamen purpurascens `Album`have in the first days pure white flowers, later with a rose glimmer.
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Mature tubers of cilicium and hederifolium doing well.
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Mature tubers of cilicium and hederifolium doing well.
:D Nice understatement there, Steve!
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Three mirabile plants at different stages of growth (you think you've treated them all the same over the summer...). I suspect the one in leaf and yet to flower got an earlier, more thorough, watering which has brought the leaves on.
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:D Nice understatement there, Steve!
And me being from Yorkshire as well, who'd have thought it possible? :D Although with brass bands being part of our heritage, the urge to blow your own trumpet is sometimes irresistible!
They are looking good although they'll probably be passed their best when the Cyclamen Society show is on in two weeks time, and the warm weather isn't helping.
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And me being from Yorkshire as well, who'd have thought it possible? :D Although with brass bands being part of our heritage, the urge to blow your own trumpet is sometimes irresistible!
It comes with the birthright doesn't it Steve? ;D
Nice Cyclamen. Most of my collection are seed grown and still smallish tubers. My largest ones were passed on to me by my friend Mike Quest. Two here, Cyclamen graecum grown from seed CSE 93643, and a C. mirabile
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A couple grown from seed.
a light pink Cyclamen cilicium from SRGC 1046/07 sown August 2008
C. hederifolium from exchange seed (no record) but labelled 'White Cloud' sown September 2008
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Your Cyclamens look healthy, patience always pay off
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Some nice plants there, David. Interested to see the graecum ex 93643. I have a pot of seedlings from the same plant which I'm waiting to see how the leaves will develop. My graecum are not so advanced - only just coming into growth.
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A couple grown from seed.
a light pink Cyclamen cilicium from SRGC 1046/07 sown August 2008
C. hederifolium from exchange seed (no record) but labelled 'White Cloud' sown September 2008
hey, I think it is not "White Cloud",
which has pure white flowers.
(as you can see some postings above from my pic.)
I think it might be the pink form "silver cloud" if it has plain silver leaves..........
cheers
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Hi here are some more cyclamen I have flowering at the moment, first is Hederifolium Stargazer, I love the unusual flowers on this variety, the next one I have lost the label to, I think it might be Cyclamen intaminatum, but I'm not sure.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3879/15166563042_89f617630e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/p7dANf)Cyclamen Hederifolium Stargazer (https://flic.kr/p/p7dANf) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5561/14983263498_36540bb28a.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oQ29eh)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/oQ29eh) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Not my best Cyclamen but not bad considering the sowing date, and the moving house abuse it has had :-)
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...the next one I have lost the label to, I think it might be Cyclamen intaminatum, but I'm not sure.
John - doesn't look like intaminatum, note the darker blotch at the base of the petals which intaminatum doesn't have. I think it's more likely to be cilicium (or possibly mirabile if there's any toothing on the petal edges, difficult to see from the photo).
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I agree with Steve, it's not intaminatum.
For some reason I get asked for my password when I click on the image so I can't see a larger pic but I think it's a nice dark form of C.cilicium. Apart from the serrations on the petals to tell if it is cilicium or mirabile - cilicium has a strong honey scent - mirabile is scentless or has a coconut scent. Final method is to wait until the leaves appear - mirabile are likely to have pink marbling when young - cilicium it's silver.
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I have no idea why you might be getting that message when trying to enlarge a photo, Mark - no settings have been changed by the SRGC Website.
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Maggi, seems John's pics are hosted elsewhere - I thought it was flickr which usually doesn't ask for a password but I see it's someother similar site. It may be owned by Yahoo because it's asking me to use my Yahoo account details.
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Hi Steve & mark thanks for getting in touch, it's not mirabile the plants I have look completely different to this plant. I think you may be right about it been cilicium, I'll know for sure when my cilicium album flowers. Mark the photos are on Flickr, you shouldn't be having any problems accessing them that I can think of.
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John, I've not had problems with it before but when I click on it now it takes me to my Yahoo login page.
I've checked and Yahoo do own Flckr - I have BT Yahoo e-mail and that seems to be what it's picking up on. Google did something similiar with Blogger. I think previously when I looked at Flckr images they were on a Yahoo list site so that's why maybbe it didn't ask for my details last time.
Odd.
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Yeah it's strange, hope you get it sorted.
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Maggi, seems John's pics are hosted elsewhere - I thought it was flickr which usually doesn't ask for a password but I see it's someother similar site. It may be owned by Yahoo because it's asking me to use my Yahoo account details.
Same for me, asks for a Yahoo password (I use Gmail for email). Perhaps it is related to the fact that I'm a member of the Cyclamen-L message board which is hosted by Yahoo? I think you also use the Cyclamen-L site, Mark, although not much activity on it these days?
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I get the same, and I'm not a Yahoo member for anything.
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I'm wondering now if flckr has has just changed. I've gone to the flckr home page and it seems I have to sign up to view any photos.
oh, just found this
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8087/20140606/users-will-need-yahoo-accounts-to-sign-in-to-flickr-after-june-30.htm (http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8087/20140606/users-will-need-yahoo-accounts-to-sign-in-to-flickr-after-june-30.htm)
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Gentlemen ; I suspect this flickr thing is not really relevant - the photos are displaying on the forum at a good size for viewing without any need to enlarge so I suggest you simply view them as shown. It is only when clicking on them or on the link that the need for access to flickr is required.
It is not as if the pix are only showing as thumbnails on the page.
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I grew this Cyclamen cilicium from seed from the 10/11 SRGC Exchange under number 1119 and it came with the additional number PD2519. it was sown 18 October 2011 and I re-potted the contents of the pot in July this year.
Although very pretty (they all are?) it looks no different in flower or leaf shape and pattern to other C. cilicium I have. Can anyone tell me more about PD2519 please?
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David, the PD stands for Davis & Polunin - they were collecting Cyclamen in the 50s. I don't know if there were collections any later than that by them.
Of course if they are collecting in seed having not seen the plants in flower then it can mean that the form given the collection number might be poor, average or good. Or maybe they collected tubers.
There's another variety of cilicium which is supposed to be white with a dark nose - Bowles variety - anyway mine came up as usual.
Open pollination is likely to mean that after 60 or more years in cultivation that plants are likely to have lost their distinctiveness. That's what's happened to hederifolium Bowles Apollo and I get the feeling mirabile Tilebarn Nicholas is going that way.
I have a number of plants that came to me as distinct varieties - unless they aren't the exact spitting image of the type plant I distribute them under a more generic name.
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Many thanks for that Mark, I'll follow suit.
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Hello and help! I need your opinion (or suggestion).
I purchased this hederifolium "Dark Purple Form" from G.I Nursery @ CS show two years ago. The problem is.....the colour seems brighter year after year. It was in nice dark purple in the first year but now it's rather "dark pink-ish", even some with white spots. I believe it's still got "potential" to go back to dark purple but I don't know how.......
Any help or information would be helpful! Cheers!
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Naoto, I suspect it's environmental. I bought three fairly dark forms - potted the darkest. It's now looking like the palest and the petal tips are light. Maybe too much sun or the flower buds were too warm?
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Hello and help! I need your opinion (or suggestion).
I purchased this hederifolium "Dark Purple Form" from G.I Nursery @ CS show two years ago. The problem is.....the colour seems brighter year after year. It was in nice dark purple in the first year but now it's rather "dark pink-ish", even some with white spots. I believe it's still got "potential" to go back to dark purple but I don't know how.......
Any help or information would be helpful! Cheers!
I have four quite large plants and the colour has remained the same dark purple over several years. The only exception was the one occasion I gave one more light to get it to a show and the flowers became much paler. It definitely needs shade to keep it's colour. I do also get the odd white spot on a few flowers but not enough to worry about.
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Hi guys I will post the pics large size so you should not have any problems seeing them, if that's ok with Maggi. Steve the cyclamen L site has not had any activity on it for ages which is a pity as I used to enjoy reading about other people's experience with cyclamen.
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Hederifolium dark purple - I've had the same experience as others; the flowers lose their distinctive 'darkness' if the conditions aren't shady enough. When I bought mine, Jan B did say that the flowers would be paler if grown in full light.
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Thank you very much, guys!
I am placing them in very sunny place at the moment so I'll look for a shady place next year before flowering.....
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Cyclamen
Cyclamen I have many places in the garden blooming well this year. Warm autumn, 18 gr
Photos: Cyclamen hederifolium.
Thorkild DK
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I think we already have a Cyclamen thread.
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Lovely plants, Thorkild. A good season for them, eh?
Yes, David, there was an existing cyclamen thread and I have merged the to - here in the 'Bulbs General' Section - cyclamen are counted here under the heading of bulbs, corms and tubers........
8)
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I think this form of Cyclamen cilicium album has very attractive leaves so I am keen to get seed, today I have been watching bumble bees and hoverflies active on all the other cyclamen plants but they seem to positively avoid this one so I am not sure that using a paint brush will help either.
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I think this form of Cyclamen cilicium album has very attractive leaves so I am keen to get seed, today I have been watching bumble bees and hoverflies active on all the other cyclamen plants but they seem to positively avoid this one so I am not sure that using a paint brush will help either.
It's fascinating to watch pollinating insects selectively choosing which flowers to land on, isn't it? I've often wondered which particular combination of factors influences their choices. Colour? Scent?. New or older flower? Abundance of pollen/nectar? (how do they 'know' this before alighting to check it out?) Does your cilicium album have much of a scent, Melvyn, and does it shed much pollen? At the moment, the bees in my greenhouse are heading straight for the purpurascens, occasionally being diverted by some scented heferifoliums, mirabile not getting much of a look in!
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my understanding is that it's a combination of colour and scent - with different insects favouring different colours and scents. Butterflies traditionally go for purples and sweet scents. Wasps seem to go for Frits. Flies prefer different scents.
Then there may be something about signposting - often in UV spectrum - but maybe the purple blotch that many cyclamen are a sign for "you go in from underneath".
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some of mine in flower
Cyclaen graecum from Crete
Cyclamen graecum from Turkey antalya
Cyclamen mirable two forms
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a couple of Cyclamen cilicicum
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Some Cyclamen hederifolium
Greece Monemvasia and Langada
Turkey Akyaka
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very nice Tony. The ciliciums are particularly lovely.
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Some Cyclamen hederifolium
Greece Monemvasia and Langada
Turkey Akyaka
Lovely Tony. Having pointed out to my better half "Look at these, all subtly different shades", the response was "this from the bloke who could paint one kitchen wall green and another blue and not know the difference".
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Lovely Tony. Having pointed out to my better half "Look at these, all subtly different shades", the response was "this from the bloke who could paint one kitchen wall green and another blue and not know the difference".
;D ;D
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Some Cyclamen hederifolium in flower.
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hello friends,
some more of my Cyclamens.
Cyclamern hederifolium '#102'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140916-155915-586.jpg)
Cyclamen hederifolium '#14'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140916-155915-533.jpg)
Cyclamen hederifolium 'TB Helena'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140916-161831-496.jpg)
Cyclamen hederifolium "Dark"
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140916-161208-689.jpg)
Cyclamen intaminatum
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140916-155915-361.jpg)
enjoy
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It's fascinating to watch pollinating insects selectively choosing which flowers to land on, isn't it? I've often wondered which particular combination of factors influences their choices. Colour? Scent?. New or older flower? Abundance of pollen/nectar? (how do they 'know' this before alighting to check it out?) Does your cilicium album have much of a scent, Melvyn, and does it shed much pollen? At the moment, the bees in my greenhouse are heading straight for the purpurascens, occasionally being diverted by some scented heferifoliums, mirabile not getting much of a look in!
Steve it has a good scent but no evidence of pollen so I guess the bees think its not worth visiting.
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just a few in flower
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more in flower
split seed are growing in limestone chippings with a concrete base underneath - so no soil at all
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spilt seed are growing in limestone chippings with a concrete base underneath - so no soil at all
That's what I call "keen to grow" - makes you wonder why we bother with pots of carefully prepared compost, doesn't it? ::)
Very nice when the plants prove so happy to grow themselves though :D
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Cyclamen mirabile (CSE plant 04193T) showing a good red colouration on the leaves.
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That's a really nice leaf colour Steve.
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Steve
I presume that is one of the cse plants I passed on to you. If so that is brilliant, I don't remember it being that good or growing it that well.
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There's another variety of cilicium which is supposed to be white with a dark nose - Bowles variety - anyway mine came up as usual.
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That is interesting, Mark. I thought no-one knew what the original 'Bowles variety' looked like. I grew C. cilicium from seed a few years ago as 'Bowles Variety'. I had a few ordinary cilicium, one pure white and one white with a pink nose. Some seedlings from it may flower this year so it will be interesting to see how many come true.
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Steve
I presume that is one of the cse plants I passed on to you. If so that is brilliant, I don't remember it being that good or growing it that well.
Thanks, Pat (and you're being far too modest :).) Yes, it's one of the cse plants. I repotted them this summer and was then rather nervous waiting for them all to come through, which they have (phew), although I suspect it'll take them a season to settle down fully in their new surroundings. Here's hoping for a good seed set for the seed distribution. Every flower stem that collapses and withers - common with mirabile, in my experience - I'm now taking personally >:(
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I looked after all of the CSE mirabile and intaminatum between 2005 and 2008. Here's a link to my Photobucket account where you can see photos of some of the plants: http://s463.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Murphy/library/Cyclamen%20mirabile%20CSE?sort=3&page=1 (http://s463.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Murphy/library/Cyclamen%20mirabile%20CSE?sort=3&page=1)
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Steve
all mine are grown in the greenhouse but I have no problems with seed set.I brush my hand over the flowers as I look/admire them and it works well.
Two more in flower
Cyclamen intaminatum my own seed collection from some years ago. has a nice pink flush as the flowers age
Cyclamen africanum an Archibald collection
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I looked after all of the CSE mirabile and intaminatum between 2005 and 2008. Here's a link to my Photobucket account where you can see photos of some of the plants: http://s463.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Murphy/library/Cyclamen%20mirabile%20CSE?sort=3&page=1 (http://s463.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Murphy/library/Cyclamen%20mirabile%20CSE?sort=3&page=1)
Thanks for that link, Tim.
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Hope this is ok but I stumbled on this, it's a video of Cyclamen libanoticum in the wild - it's a bit short but if you go to about 7 mins the cyclamen action starts.
Lebanon biodiversity : Cyclamen libanoticum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLciDGQYaQQ#)
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Hi mark great video, great to see libanoticum in the wild, there was some peonies there as well if I'm not mistaken. Just wish I could have understood what they were saying, speaking Lebanese? The lady in charge was really knew her stuff, pretty lass as well ;)
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I think there are other videos in the same series.
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Yeah I noticed there was one on iris and a few others, I'll have to take a look.
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what was on the board just after 9:30 - looks like red leaf forms?
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I looked after all of the CSE mirabile and intaminatum between 2005 and 2008. Here's a link to my Photobucket account where you can see photos of some of the plants: http://s463.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Murphy/library/Cyclamen%20mirabile%20CSE?sort=3&page=1 (http://s463.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Murphy/library/Cyclamen%20mirabile%20CSE?sort=3&page=1)
Hi Tim, yes I'd come across your photos when browsing online some time ago. Some really lovely plants there. I did wonder whether it would be possible for them to be uploaded to/shared with the Cyclamen Society site - they'd be a great resource for the annual CSE seed list (when mirabile seed is on the list).
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Steve
all mine are grown in the greenhouse but I have no problems with seed set. I brush my hand over the flowers as I look/admire them and it works well.
Tony - same here, my hands wave so much in the greenhouse my wife once thought I needed medical assistance :). There's probably various contributing factors to my mirabile not being as fecund as some of the other species I grow. Not least inadequate ventilation...
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One of my Cyclamen rohlfsianum from Cyclamen Socity seed.
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Very interesting to see your Cyclamen mirabile photos, Tim.
Here are three I have flowering now. The first two are from SRGC seed sown in 2001, the third is much older and was from my own seed from plants bought in Woolworths as Cyclamen hederifolium before Cyclamen mirabile was common in cultivation.
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Hi Roma great looking mirabile, do you get the pink on the leaves? I don't seem to get that on my plants. Hi steve the only problem I have with Mirabile is recognising one when its under my nose.
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Some nice plants posted here . Looks like being a good season
A couple from me
C africanum
C mirabile
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Impressive Cyclamen , thanks to all for showing.
For some it was stil to hot in my greenhouse. Now the first graecums are starting.(pict. 1)
Some of the hederifoliums in the garden are very productive e.g. this white hederifolium. (pict2) Another hederifolium who was named as hederifolium 'No Name ' . (pict3)
On mirabile just tiny buds , same story with rohlfsianum . The first cypriums are just flowering.
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I my Graecum plants just starting into growth.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3920/15269314465_267caa9932_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pgiedv)image (https://flic.kr/p/pgiedv) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
I also have some seedlings just starting into growth, on the left are C. Confusum & on the right are C. coum subsp caucasicum, I am hoping to plant these out in the garden next year & get a colony of each going.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3843/15082757138_8956b3f7a2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oYP5dS)image (https://flic.kr/p/oYP5dS) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Nature and nurture.
In January 2013 I sowed seed of C. graecum ssp candicum from the SGRC seedex. The first flowers appeared this month. From germination to flowering in 20 months is, in my experience, amazing for graecum; 3, 4 or 5 years is more usual, I think. I'd be interested to hear if others have had a similar experience. The explanation is probably due to how they've been treated. The seedlings have been kept indoors on a south-east facing bedroom windowsill and I kept them growing for as long as possible - right through their first summer, only going dormant this year during July and August. I thought I'd treat them this way (as I do rohlfsianum) because being endemic to Crete they'd appreciate the extra warmth. It can't all be nurture though. I treated another pot of candicum (from the Cyclamen Society seedex) in the same way, although sown a month earlier, and they're still a year or so from flowering I'd say. See photos below.
For anyone studying the flowers closely....I'm not fully convinced it's a candicum either! Whatever the subspecies, 20 months to flowering for graecum is a first for me.
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By way of comparison, here's the first flowers on C. graecum ssp graecum ex CSE 94046, also from Crete. The parent plant was collected south of the Rodopou peninsula, above Spilia. Seed sown October 2011, ie three-years-old. Treated the same as the candicum in the above post, but moved to the greenhouse last year. One of the plants has, potentially, very good leaves.
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Nature and nurture.
In January 2013 I sowed seed of C. graecum ssp candicum from the SGRC seedex. The first flowers appeared this month. From germination to flowering in 20 months is, in my experience, amazing for graecum; 3, 4 or 5 years is more usual, I think. I'd be interested to hear if others have had a similar experience.......................
I'm still waiting for my first flowers on graecum sown 2008 and 2009 and it doesn't look likely that I shall see any this year :(
Some Cyclamen that are flowering though:-
C. cilicium sown from seed (AGS 10/11-2312) sown 23/09/11, labelled 'Bowles Variety'. I note from 'Cyclamen' Chris Grey-Wilson 2002 that the Author writes on 'Bowles Variety' "........but the plants are scarcely distinguishable from many ordinary cilicium...."
C. cilicium forma album from seed (SRGC 10/11-1170) sown 18/10/11. Note that the pot, which contains 13 seedlings re-potted in June this year, includes a pink one too.
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David, my recollection of the description of Bowles var is that it was white with a pink/ purple nose rather than the lilac with a pink/ purple nose so it looks as if you have the "true plant" (whatever that means!). Looks very pretty - I had some from Archibald seed decades ago and I think they came out pink.
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Cyclamen cyprium ex ES from seed kindly sent to me by Tony Willis in 2009 and sown 16/10/09. One or two Forumists have tubers from the same seed.
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David, my recollection of the description of Bowles var is that it was white with a pink/ purple nose rather than the lilac with a pink/ purple nose so it looks as if you have the "true plant" (whatever that means!). Looks very pretty - I had some from Archibald seed decades ago and I think they came out pink.
Thanks for that Mark. Oddly, bearing in mind his comments, Grey-Wilson doesn't describe Bowles Variety so I had no idea what to expect. I agree with you if mine is anything like the "true plant" it is a very pretty little plant.
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Cyclamen cyprium ex ES from seed kindly sent to me by Tony Willis in 2009 and sown 16/10/09. One or two Forumists have tubers from the same seed.
Looking (and smelling?!) good, David. I have a couple of leaves starting to show, but no buds up yet. Many thanks.
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Smelling very good Matt. Maybe yours will need another years growth.
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Two very different Cyclamen in flower today,
Cyclamen hederifolium from Corfu
and C.intaminatum a form with laciniate petals
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looks like a butterfly
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Two very different Cyclamen in flower today,
Cyclamen hederifolium from Corfu
and C.intaminatum a form with laciniate petals
those are both superb - love the hederifolium colour
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Two very different Cyclamen in flower today,
Cyclamen hederifolium from Corfu
and C.intaminatum a form with laciniate petals
Your collection look really :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Two very different Cyclamen in flower today,
Cyclamen hederifolium from Corfu
and C.intaminatum a form with laciniate petals
Not sure I care for the laciniation, Melvyn, but what well-marked striations the flowers have! And the colour of the flowers on some of the CSE Corfiot heds amazes me every time I see them. :o
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After 20 years of waiting, my Graecum has finally flowered ! I collected the seed in a wood near Marmaris in 1995 and it germinated the following year. It started producing leaves but never a flower. The corm reached about 12cms across and then one Winter, 5 years ago, it started to rot. I cut out all the rot to a "safe" area and potted it in a gritty dry compost after dusting with flowers of sulphur. It looked like a peeled potato! The following year some roots and a few leaves appeared.
I potted it into a rectangular "long Tom" about 30cms. deep which I got in Ikea. It then sat on a sandy base in the unheated glasshouse. I put it on the staging in July and the leaves appeared about 5 weeks ago. Then 10 days ago I saw the first flower appear. Looking at the top of the corm, i could make out more flower buds forming.
Although it looks nothing spectacular, I am chuffed to see flowers at last.
A couple of pictures of Hederifolium in flower. The corm in the large pot is about 20cms and probably 30 years old.
The white one came from some of my own seed.
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Hello boys & girls!
I went to AGS autumn show in Rainham yesterday and here are some pictures of cyclamen I took. Enjoy!
Peace!
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Hello boys & girls!
I went to AGS autumn show in Rainham yesterday and here are some pictures of cyclamen I took.
What a great colour on the dark pink graecum. And would the final photo be one of Pat's (cycnich) CSE plants from Corfu? The dark purple hed may be his as well!
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@SJW
Yes, that's hederifolium Cofu - stunning colour!
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After 20 years of waiting, my Graecum has finally flowered !
Such a long wait. and in a long tom!
it must be it does not get enough heat.
I have to keep it in a plastic pot with a saucer underneath or it dries out too much.
The last photo is the mother plant in a 8" plastic pot and the "bulb" is about 6" diameter. it sheds lots of seed and the other photos are its seedlings in 4 and 6 inch p pots grown to flowering size in less that 3 years. usually it sends up flowers before the leaves, but owe seedling have leaves first.
C greacum is the easiest for me to grow and flower in pots left on my sunny porch for 3 seasons. in the 5 months of frigid winter (-25C) it goes in the basement under bright lights.
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One of the old rolfsianums in a 10" pot, from the CS circa 87 and still flowering a month later but fading a wee bit in this brilliant sunshine. Short flowers stalks on this one.
johnw
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Some of the Cyclamen hederifolium in this gravel border are not flowering as well as usual. Some are a bit overcrowded but the thought of having to find homes for them all puts me off digging them up. There are some interesting leaves.
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Could I be of any use is giving any boring ones a new home Roma ? ::) :)
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Could I be of any use is giving any boring ones a new home Roma ? ::) :)
I'll keep you in mind, Maggi if I ever get round to digging them up ;D
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I'll keep you in mind, Maggi if I ever get round to digging them up ;D
Righty-ho - I'm not holding my breath! ;) ;D
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Cyclamen Cilicium forma album has come into flower, lovely pure white flowers.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3928/15419184735_bb320a5c09_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15419184735/)
Cyclamen Cilicium forma album (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15419184735/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
A c.purpuracens is soon to be in flower, this plant always starts into growth behind my other plants, they have nearly finished whereas this is just about to start.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2949/15396136186_849318384d_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15396136186/)
Cyclamen Purpuracens (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15396136186/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
Finally I have at long last managed to get C.Graecum subspecies Candicum to flower, just the one so far, but it's a start :) it is still a young plant , about two or three years old, I got it off Jill white down in brightlingsea in Essex, loverly woman who really knows her cyclamen. While on the subject of this plant, could anyone tell me please has the name changed to mindleri? Thanks John
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3929/15232434449_d1ca5c6a13_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15232434449/)
Cyclamen Graecum subspecies Candicum or Mindleri? (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15232434449/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Hello John, lovely Cyclamen cilicium album, just querying your second plant, looks like C.cilicium? and the one in flower in the third picture looks like C.rohlfsianum?
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Oh right thanks for that Melvyn, as I said I'd alway know them as purpuracens and Candicum, not too worry. I'm glad about the rohlfsianum, in the past I've always managed to kill any plants ive had. This one must be made of sterner stuff, I've had it awhile and it's still living. :)
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John
Are you coming to Wisley next Saturday. If so I will bring you a mature candicum free of charge so you have the right thing.
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Hi Pat yes I am, thanks very much, that would be great. Have you heard of a name change for this plant?
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Hi Pat yes I am, thanks very much, that would be great. Have you heard of a name change for this plant?
John - the information on the Cyclamen Society website is out of date. Mindleri is now classed as just one of a number of synonyms for the various forms of graecum; so it is ssp candicum.
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John
It was candicum at first it then became mindleri but it is now candicum again and has been for several years.
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John
Are you coming to Wisley next Saturday. If so I will bring you a mature candicum free of charge so you have the right thing.
My word - such generosity - I just love to see the kindness shown by forumists. Well done, Pat!
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Maggi
There are two sayings that spring to mind both I think came from kath dryden I think. The best way to conserve a plant is to bring it into cultivation and the best way to keep a plant is to give it away. Wise words.
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Yes , Dear Kath often spoke very wisely - it is such a pleasure to see forumists demonstrate the ethos here day after day!
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Hi Maggi Pat is a throughly decent guy, a top bloke as they say in my part of Yorkshire. Hi steve I read about the so called name change on Wikipedia so I though I'd ask the question.
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Hi Maggi Pat is a throughly decent guy, a top bloke as they say in my part of Yorkshire. Hi steve I read about the so called name change on Wikipedia so I though I'd ask the question.
8) :D 8)
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...as they say in my part of Yorkshire.
It must pain you to be living among the yellowbellies ;D
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Yellowbellies? yeah that's what they call themselves here, in Doncaster we used to call them carrot crunches. Having said that its a lot quieter here than in Doncaster and I love it. its not so bad Steve the natives are friendly enough ;)
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............................Having said that its a lot quieter here than in Doncaster ....................
Aren't most places quieter than Doncaster? ;D
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Aren't most places quieter than Doncaster? ;D
I don't know - tho' I 've heard there's a lot of racing around....... ;D
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Birmingham certainly isn't , I was there the other week for the cyclamen show, no offense to people In Birmingham but I was glad to get out, I had the steering wheel in a death like grip and I didn't relax till I saw signs for Nottingham.
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[quote author=johnstephen29 link=topic=11254.msg313933#msg313933 date=1412345 but I fwas glad to get out, I had the steering wheel in a death like grip and I didn't relax till I saw signs for Nottingham.
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The words jumping, frying pan and fire spring to mind perhaps!
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That was the first time I had drove in Birmingham, going wasn't too bad been early in the morning and I throughly enjoyed the show and lectures afterwards. Also caught up with my society friends who I hadn't seen since spring. The trouble came on the way home traffic coming at me from all directions, horns bleeping, here in Lincolnshire you don't get that much traffic so I'm not used to it. Driving down to wisley, no problem I've done it that many times, could do it with my eyes shut ;)
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Here are two C. Parviflorum plants that I bought at the show in Birmingham, I have never had much luck with these plants so I'm giving it one last shot and see how I go.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3903/15149580490_758bf80666_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/p5HytC)Cyclamen parviflorum (https://flic.kr/p/p5HytC) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
I also have a couple of Cyclamen Persicum var. autumnale plants just coming into growth.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3847/15216786858_8028ae884e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pbE1A7)Cyclamen Persicum var. autumnale (https://flic.kr/p/pbE1A7) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Cyclamen graecum ssp candicum
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I also have a couple of Cyclamen Persicum var. autumnale plants just coming into growth.
John, the plant in the left pot is definitely not persicum.
I think it is either hederifolium or africanum or an hybrid between the too.
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Cyclamen graecum ssp candicum
Melvyn it is a superb plant!!! [as usual...]
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Hi oron I grew this from some seeds you sent me about a year ago, could it have got mixed up with the persicum seeds.
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Hi John
Not sure how that could have happened, ...maybe the ants...any way I'll send you a couple of small bulbs.
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Thanks oron, i'll send you my address in a personal message, I know what you mean about the ants, I have found cyclamen growing outside in the strangest of places where they have been spread by I assume ants.
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Cyclamen hederifolium with nice leaves
Poul
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Took this at Wisley last weekend, bit disappointed the Alpine house was locked :'(
Angie :)
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Certainly not a representative picture but this is first hederifolium seedling here to show strong pink flowers with a no-apologies red nose. I'll keep trying to get this camera to co-operate.
johnw
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Very nice flower shape and colour John.
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Took this at Wisley last weekend, bit disappointed the Alpine house was locked :'(
Angie :)
last two times I have been the alpine house has been locked...........its like turning up at a sweet shop just to find out that all you can do is look through the window :(
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last two times I have been the alpine house has been locked...........its like turning up at a sweet shop just to find out that all you can do is look through the window :(
Has anyone else found this, I feel a campaign coming on?
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Quote from: angie on October 07, 2014, 05:10:11 PM
Took this at Wisley last weekend, bit disappointed the Alpine house was locked :'(
Angie
last two times I have been the alpine house has been locked...........its like turning up at a sweet shop just to find out that all you can do is look through the window :(
Sad to hear this - I suspect it may be a reaction to the recent thefts of plants (which were mentioned here and in the press) plus complications of low staffing levels.
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Sad to hear this - I suspect it may be a reaction to the recent thefts of plants (which were mentioned here and in the press) plus complications of low staffing levels.
I can sympathise with the problems Maggi but it doesn't help those, like myself, who are considering if continued membership of RHS is cost effective. For example I can get to Rosemoor with an hour and a half drive but the rest of the RHS gardens are out of reach without the need for accommodation and thus stacking up the cost of a visit. If one of the major attractions of a visit to Wisley is likely to be closed to me that will deter me from going. Add to this that many of the gardens in the RHS Partner Gardens scheme have only limited free access to members and normally at times when there is little to see further enhances the lack of cost effectiveness of membership.
More consideration of security alternatives needed I would have thought.
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I am inclined to agree with you, David.
We've tweeted to RHS Wisley on the matter :
sent by ScottishRockGC
to RHSWisley : We're hearing of visitors finding alpine house locked -presume security/staffing probs - what can be done?
sent by RHS Garden Wisley @RHSWisley
to ScottishRockGC : Thank you for getting in touch, news from the Alpine house is that both are open to enjoy.
sent by The Scottish Rock @ScottishRockGC
to RHSWisley Good news for today -but v. sad that those travelling long distances to visit recently have found them them locked.
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From Colin Crosby, Wisley Curator :
The Alpine House is open everyday from 10 till 4.45 during the summer and 10 till 3.30 during the winter.
From the RHS website :
RHS Garden Wisley is open all year except Christmas Day
Monday - Friday 10am - 6pm
Sat - Sun & Bank Hols 9am - 6pm
Last entry one hour before closing.
Winter closure at 4.30pm (20 Oct - 15 Mar)
So if you arrive just before 5pm in the summer, for instance- you will be able to gain entry to the garden but the alpine house will not be open.
Can those of you who visited to find the alpine houses locked please let us know what time that was, please, so we can let Colin know?
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Sounds like a bit of a wet (and non) reply to me Maggi. If the RHS paid the same attention to member added-value that SRGC does they might have got on the right lines.
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From IGPS - a picture of cyclamen season at Anglesey Abbey -
https://www.facebook.com/IrishGardenPlantSociety/posts/715899861798768 (https://www.facebook.com/IrishGardenPlantSociety/posts/715899861798768)
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Cyclamen cilicium darker flower form.
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum three colour forms
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum three colour forms
Superb. The darkest form is exceptional.
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum three colour forms
Very beautiful Melvyn , especially the one with the dark flowers.
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Very beautiful Melvyn , especially the one with the dark flowers.
..... and thoroughly seconded .
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From Colin Crosby, Wisley Curator :
The Alpine House is open everyday from 10 till 4.45 during the summer and 10 till 3.30 during the winter.
From the RHS website :
RHS Garden Wisley is open all year except Christmas Day
Monday - Friday 10am - 6pm
Sat - Sun & Bank Hols 9am - 6pm
Last entry one hour before closing.
Winter closure at 4.30pm (20 Oct - 15 Mar)
So if you arrive just before 5pm in the summer, for instance- you will be able to gain entry to the garden but the alpine house will not be open.
Can those of you who visited to find the alpine houses locked please let us know what time that was, please, so we can let Colin know?
If the garden is open to 6pm would it not be fair to lock the alpine house at 5.30, don't shoot me ;D after all its just a turn of the key.
Two pictures looking through the glass and wishing someone was there to open it :'(
Angie :)
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If the garden is open to 6pm would it not be fair to lock the alpine house at 5.30, don't shoot me ;D after all its just a turn of the key.
Two pictures looking through the glass and wishing someone was there to open it :'(
Angie :)
same pictures that I have :) - I must admit it was a few years ago that the alpine house was locked - you could see the plants but not the labels :(
always makes me wonder why they don't epoxy rfid tags into the bottom of the pots - and put a rf scanner in the door
when I used to keep bonsai trees some of trees had been chipped - similar to what you have in a cat of a dog
the new gps trackers which are very small - are very efficient as well - might actually help them catch who is taking the plants
http://www.bonsaijack.com/Bonsai_Tree_Security_Techniques_GPS_Chip_Chipping_and_Motion_Sensors.html (http://www.bonsaijack.com/Bonsai_Tree_Security_Techniques_GPS_Chip_Chipping_and_Motion_Sensors.html)
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum three colour forms
Lovely, Melvyn. Does the white flowered form (not many of those about!) come true from seed? I recall reading that the parent seedling arose spontaneously in a collection of pink flowered forms?
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Hi gang! I've just got back from Wisley Gardens......here are some cyclamens which were exhibited today.....and it was nice to see you, Steve!
(Please see the file name to find what variety it is)
Part 1
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Part 2!
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all cyclamens I saw were very nice - but somehow the following "not-so-good" examples captivated my eyes more today..... ;D
(Please see the notes for the reasons.....)
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the red form is stunning - the very dark purple is also very desirable
just wish I could have gone today
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Cyclamen hederifolium in municipal plantings along the outer canal in Utrecht
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Picked up three new cyclamen at the weekend, first a lovely C. Cyprium, lovely scent & great looking markings on leaves, next a C. Mirabile with some great silver markings on it's leaves & some with a touch of pink & lastly I spotted this C. Rohlfsianum with some great leaf markings. I have noticed some of my persicum plants have started into growth C. Persicum forma puniceum on the left at the back & C. Persicum forma roseum on the right, these were grown from society seed & some of them have great foliage markings, show plants for the future hopefully.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3946/15537577715_6a359d1be7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pF19wX)Cyclamen Cyprium (https://flic.kr/p/pF19wX) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3941/15513867926_1d756dd4f9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pCUCru)Cyclamen Mirabile ex cse (https://flic.kr/p/pCUCru) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3935/15534872731_89be79a3a8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pELhri)Cyclamen Rohlfianum (https://flic.kr/p/pELhri) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3937/15351753047_a3a247c327_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pozKkn)C. Persicum f. puniceum & C. Persicum f. roseum (https://flic.kr/p/pozKkn) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Must remember to tip out my pot with cyprium in it to separate the corm from the hederifolium that it is mixed with.
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Smelling very good Matt. Maybe yours will need another years growth.
Spotted this yesterday :)
Even this one tiny flower smells great.
Thanks, David
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Nice to see it Matt, it looks very happy.
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plant shopping yesterday at Ashwood Nursery :)
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@Graeme
Clearly you indulged your shopping spree! ;D Were there any good cyclamen/alpines at the shop???
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@Graeme
Clearly you indulged your shopping spree! ;D Were there any good cyclamen/alpines at the shop???
It was excellent as I got to have a look at their stock plants and there was the most unusual hederifolium plant I
had ever seen with a leaf like a serrated knife blade - it was very odd
There is a pure white flowered - pure pewter leaf c.coum in there as well and a c. hederifolium with a pink band in the leaf
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... there was the most unusual hederifolium plant I had ever seen with a leaf like a serrated knife blade - it was very odd
Graeme - sounds like it had 'Lysander' in its parentage? (which Ashwoods sells). Some photos of the strain by Jim Almond, here: http://alpineenthusiast.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/cyclamen-hederifolium-who-needs-flowers.html (http://alpineenthusiast.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/cyclamen-hederifolium-who-needs-flowers.html)
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leaf like a serrated knife blade - it was very odd
I think I remember seeing a picture of that plant somewhere, either on the forum or in a talk by ?Vic Aspland or?John Massey. I believe it had not set seed and maybe had not even flowered.
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Cyclamen cyprium
Good E.S. forms and an ordinary one
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My Cyclamen graecum are not doing well this year. The first one had lots of flowers last year and set masses of seed. It only managed one flower this year. The white one has 4 flowers. A few are not showing signs of life and some have rotted. I did have too many so as long as a few good ones survive I am happy.
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Cyclamen cyprium
Good E.S. forms and an ordinary one
Some superb leaves there Roma on a very underrated species. It will never have the flower power of some of the others but it is one of my favourites.
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Graeme - sounds like it had 'Lysander' in its parentage? (which Ashwoods sells). Some photos of the strain by Jim Almond, here: http://alpineenthusiast.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/cyclamen-hederifolium-who-needs-flowers.html (http://alpineenthusiast.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/cyclamen-hederifolium-who-needs-flowers.html)
I think I remember seeing a picture of that plant somewhere, either on the forum or in a talk by ?Vic Aspland or?John Massey. I believe it had not set seed and maybe had not even flowered.
It was the oddest thing I had ever seen - the leaves were about 2" long and 1/4 inch wide - more like rocket salad leaves - a bit like the rib of a cyclamen leaf without the outside bit - the guy who looked after their collection said he had been told to discard it - didn't look like it had flowered
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C. graecum is generally spoken not as good here as in other recent years Roma .
Until now no flowers on this C. mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas ' ....It was a very good flowering plant in the previous years.
But this year the leaves ar not bad ....
C. hederifolium 'Stargazer' is about two months later as previous years .
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Must remember to tip out my pot with cyprium in it to separate the corm from the hederifolium that it is mixed with.
I have the same issue, I must have had mixed seed from the Cyclamen socitiety as I don't grow normal hederifolium in the greenhouse.
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I paid a quick visit to the Cruickshank Botanic Garden last Friday to drop off plants for the plant sale and took the opportunity to see the Cyclamen rohlfsianum, parents of my plants.
The first one is one of the original two, collected in Cyrenia, Libya in 1952
Of the other three I am not sure which is the original and which are the two offspring, sown about 1982/83.
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The leaves on my own plants are a bit lanky as they do not get enough light when the sun is lower in the sky
Cyclamen rohlfsianum - leaves
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very nice Roma!
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Lovely plants, Roma , all of them.
The parent plants are definitely in the "venerable " category now, aren't they? A treat to see them.
8)
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Wow 1952. Nearly as old as my mother in law but much easier on the eye.
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I paid a quick visit to the Cruickshank Botanic Garden last Friday to drop off plants for the plant sale and took the opportunity to see the Cyclamen rohlfsianum, parents of my plants.
The first one is one of the original two, collected in Cyrenia, Libya in 1952
Of the other three I am not sure which is the original and which are the two offspring, sown about 1982/83.
What a story Roma ! Lovely and charming to see those parents . Isn't it great that Cyclamen getting that old without loosing their charm ?
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Wow 1952. Nearly as old as my mother in law but much easier on the eye.
;D
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The leaves on my own plants are a bit lanky as they do not get enough light when the sun is lower in the sky
Cyclamen rohlfsianum - leaves
Always a delight to see Roma . Here it was not a very good year for rohlfsianum .......I had almost no flowers....
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C. africanum is usually the first species to flower for me and is increasing rapidly.
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Wow 1952. Nearly as old as my mother in law but much easier on the eye.
Maggi and I aren't commenting on that statement ::) , but I can say those leaves are stunning. Seeds definitely on my wish list.
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I paid a quick visit to the Cruickshank Botanic Garden last Friday to drop off plants for the plant sale and took the opportunity to see the Cyclamen rohlfsianum, parents of my plants.
The first one is one of the original two, collected in Cyrenia, Libya in 1952
Of the other three I am not sure which is the original and which are the two offspring, sown about 1982/83.
Roma - good to see the original rohlfsianum plants at Cruickshank. As you know, I also have some offspring from these plants (I think you sent in the seed to the CS years ago?). So it's interesting to see how the leaves compare with the ones I have.
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Some more rohlfsianum leaves (not ex CBG). The third plant also has good, dark flowers...which didn't appear this year.
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I sowed some Cyclamen rohlfsianum seed seed mid-August and put them where all my seed pots go in an open frame outside. Weather's been awful here for the last couple of weeks apart from the odd reasonable day and , as there was no germination, I took pity on it and put it on the kitchen windowsill. I now see I have three seedlings germinated out of five sown. Do I assume that keeping them indoors will be the best option and try and keep them in growth for as long as possible?
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I sowed some Cyclamen rohlfsianum seed seed mid-August and put them where all my seed pots go in an open frame outside. Weather's been awful here for the last couple of weeks apart from the odd reasonable day and , as there was no germination, I took pity on it and put it on the kitchen windowsill. I now see I have three seedlings germinated out of five sown. Do I assume that keeping them indoors will be the best option and try and keep them in growth for as long as possible?
Well, that depends on whether or not your Yorkshire heart will allow the house to be kept frost-free, David........... ::) ;) ;D
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;D ;D ;D
My old bones won't take anything less than 20C these days.
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;D ;D ;D
My old bones won't take anything less than 20C these days.
Never mind the cyclamen, in that case I'm packing a suitcase and I'll be down shortly - sounds like bliss to me....
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Steve - interesting to see your ex CBG rohlfsianums. The leaves do resemble the parents and they are different from the others. I did send seed to the Cyclamen society many years ago. I don't get seed on my own plants. Sometimes it sets then aborts. Probably too dry an atmosphere in the house or maybe I do not water enough when the temperature starts to rise in February (indoors on a sunny day).
David - Cyclamen rohlfsianum comes from Libya and would not appreciate the wet Devon climate.
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I sowed some Cyclamen rohlfsianum seed seed mid-August and put them where all my seed pots go in an open frame outside. Weather's been awful here for the last couple of weeks apart from the odd reasonable day and , as there was no germination, I took pity on it and put it on the kitchen windowsill. I now see I have three seedlings germinated out of five sown. Do I assume that keeping them indoors will be the best option and try and keep them in growth for as long as possible?
That's what I do, David. In fact, I've also kept more mature plants on an east-facing windowsill for years although you'll get more flowers in a frost free greenhouse. But certainly for seedlings and young plants I think they do better over winter with the extra protection that a coolish room provides.
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Cheers Steve.
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Hello Cycla-nuts
Just wondering if anyone can help with the ID of a Cyclamen recently spotted in the Peloponnese: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12363.msg316743#msg316743 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12363.msg316743#msg316743)
Many thanks!
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Hello Cycla-nuts
Just wondering if anyone can help with the ID of a Cyclamen recently spotted in the Peloponnese: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12363.msg316743#msg316743 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12363.msg316743#msg316743)
Many thanks!
Matt - probably C. hederifolium subsp. crassifolium (C. confusum is a Cretan species).
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Thanks Steve,
I was using Kit Grey-Wilson's Bulbs of Greece and John Richard's Mountain Flower Walks, which suggest that C.hed.confusum is also in the Southern Peloponnese. Has the classification of these plants changed such that those confusum-type plants in the Pelops are now known as something else? I found some plants elsewhere that I also thought could be C.h.confusum but will have to look at my photos again.
Having just looked at the PBS website I found this photo of 'cochleate' leaves apparently on C.graecum which makes me think that maybe the flower on my plant did belong to the leaves after all and it's just a form of C.graecum: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Cyclamen/Cyclamen_graecum_JMW3.jpg (http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Cyclamen/Cyclamen_graecum_JMW3.jpg)
Cheers,
M
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A few odd (#2 & #5) Cyclamen hederifolium leaves today. I have a weakness for the arrowheads as I love a good chase. Once upon a time they were as scarce as hen's teeth in Canada, in the 80's they were closely guarded in Victoria, BC. Happily they escaped captivity.
johnw - +11c and pelting.
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Great plants and leaves shown here! Thanks for sharing them.
Here a picture from today, C.rohlfsianum and C.persicum var autumnale in the garden.
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I was using Kit Grey-Wilson's Bulbs of Greece and John Richard's Mountain Flower Walks, which suggest that C.hed.confusum is also in the Southern Peloponnese. Has the classification of these plants changed such that those confusum-type plants in the Pelops are now known as something else? I found some plants elsewhere that I also thought could be C.h.confusum but will have to look at my photos again.
Matt - yes, there was a reclassification a few years ago following fieldwork and DNA analysis by the Cyclamen Society/Reading University. Previously, those heds known as C. hederifolium var confusum found in the Peloponnese, the Greek Islands (and Sicily?) are now C. hederifolium subsp. crassifolium. Those coming specifically from Crete are now considered to be a separate species, C. confusum. The complication is that populations of 'ordinary' hederifolium are also found throughout the same range (I think) but not sure to what extent they overlap. I'll have to read through some back copies of the CS journal which have a number of articles about this. In fact, though, the three forms generally do look different when grown side by side. In time, I hope the reclassification registers with everyone because I have a number of pots of seed exchange 'confusum' that don't need Reading's DNA analysis to tell me they're subsp. crassifolium! My advice to donors would be not to label anything 'confusum' unless absolutely sure it has Cretan origins.
Having just looked at the PBS website I found this photo of 'cochleate' leaves apparently on C.graecum which makes me think that maybe the flower on my plant did belong to the leaves after all and it's just a form of C.graecum:
I see what you mean! Was the plant growing in a shady or more open, sunny location? Also, subsp crassifolium is often scented (and confusum has a good scent in my experience).
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We had 11ºC and pelting today too.
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A couple of good flowering forms of C. persicum var autumnale, a particularly deep colored C. confusum and a couple of C. persicum with good leaves.
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Hello everyone. New here. I recently bought some C. africanum and C. greacum from Ashwood nurseries. Is there any special ways of sowing and caring for them or do I just put them in a pots and wait?
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Matt - yes, there was a reclassification a few years ago following fieldwork and DNA analysis by the Cyclamen Society/Reading University. Previously, those heds known as C. hederifolium var confusum found in the Peloponnese, the Greek Islands (and Sicily?) are now C. hederifolium subsp. crassifolium. Those coming specifically from Crete are now considered to be a separate species, C. confusum. The complication is that populations of 'ordinary' hederifolium are also found throughout the same range (I think) but not sure to what extent they overlap. I'll have to read through some back copies of the CS journal which have a number of articles about this. In fact, though, the three forms generally do look different when grown side by side. In time, I hope the reclassification registers with everyone because I have a number of pots of seed exchange 'confusum' that don't need Reading's DNA analysis to tell me they're subsp. crassifolium! My advice to donors would be not to label anything 'confusum' unless absolutely sure it has Cretan origins.
I see what you mean! Was the plant growing in a shady or more open, sunny location? Also, subsp crassifolium is often scented (and confusum has a good scent in my experience).
Thanks, Steve. hat's all helpful and very interesting information. So I didn't find any C.confusum on my trip after all, but there were so many gorgeous forms of C.hederifolium. The well-scented plants we found at Monemvasia could have been subsp. crassifolium. I must do some research and read up some more and look through my photos again.
The group of plants we found (three plants, as far as I could make out) were growing in typical G.graecum habitat and within a population made up of C.graecum only, no C.hederifolium around at all. So I'll put these down as a 'cochleate' form of C.graecum.
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A couple of good flowering forms of C. persicum var autumnale, a particularly deep colored C. confusum and a couple of C. persicum with good leaves.
Really lovely, Oron. Fantastic colour on the confusum. Is there a 'standard' leaf type for var autumnale or do you get the same variation and good leaf forms as you do with ordinary C. persicum?
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Hello everyone. New here. I recently bought some C. africanum and C. greacum from Ashwood nurseries. Is there any special ways of sowing and caring for them or do I just put them in a pots and wait?
Hello, Lewis, welcome. Both species will need greenhouse cultivation rather than outdoors. I get very patchy germination from late sowings (after October) probably because the temperature is getting too low moving into winter. You could sow and leave the pots in the greenhouse and some may come up, or they'll wait until next year. Or leave for now, give the seeds a good soak in August, and sow then. Or, if you have a spot indoors that stays around 15 C you could soak the seeds overnight and sow in a gritty compost. Top dress with grit and keep them in the dark at around 15 C. Check for signs of germination after 4 weeks and then every few days after that. If nothing comes up after a couple of months then you could move them to the greenhouse...and wait! But these two species usually germinate well for me using this method. The downside is that you'll then have small, fragile seedlings to nurse through the worst of the winter but they do OK on a bright windowsill indoors and they can be moved out to the greenhouse as the weather improves in the spring.
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A couple of good flowering forms of C. persicum var autumnale, a particularly deep colored C. confusum and a couple of C. persicum with good leaves.
Very beautiful stuff Oron .My special vote goes to 'Persian Beauty' :o......
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Quote from: Lewis Potter on November 13, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
Hello everyone. New here. I recently bought some C. africanum and C. greacum from Ashwood nurseries. Is there any special ways of sowing and caring for them or do I just put them in a pots and wait?
Hello Lewis, welcome to the forum.
Good advice from Steve for you - you'll find plenty of good cyclamen growing advice here whenever you need it. :)
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Really lovely, Oron. Fantastic colour on the confusum. Is there a 'standard' leaf type for var autumnale or do you get the same variation and good leaf forms as you do with ordinary C. persicum?
Steve,
I must say the leaves of persicum var autumnale are not very exciting, there is little variation.
So far the only better leaf pattern is the 'Christmas tree',I have never found any plant with silver leaves or different patterns.
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Very beautiful stuff Oron .My special vote goes to 'Persian Beauty' :o......
Thanks Kris,
in fact it is a stunner, this was the reason for naming it 'Persian Beauty'
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The silver is a beautiful plant as well oron.
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Beautiful leaves, Oron.
I have 4 Cyclamen persicum from Cyclamen society seed from a CSE plant collected in Israel. They are not spectacular but survived being frozen in winter 2010.
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First flower on a seedling from a dark coloured Cyclamen hederifolium. I am not sure if it was 'Red Sky'
A silver leaved hederifolium still flowering well
I must have missed a few seed capsules on this plant
I like the leaves on this white flowered plant
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Loverly leaves on the white plant Roma
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Steve,
I must say the leaves of persicum var autumnalis are not very exciting, there is little variation.
So far the only better leaf pattern is the 'Christmas tree',I have never found any plant with silver leaves or different patterns.
Thanks, Oron, that's useful to know.
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I have 4 Cyclamen persicum from Cyclamen society seed from a CSE plant collected in Israel. They are not spectacular but survived being frozen in winter 2010.
Roma - presumably offspring of the high-altitude form that was collected in 1990? I had a similar experience in those two really bad winters we had and my couple of plants certainly coped better than other forms of persicum I grow. (Not as 'nesh', as we'd say in Yorkshire!).Forumists may be interested in details of this Cyclamen Society collection:
Two plants were collected at an altitude of 1,200 m (90560, 90561) and the field notes say:
...we were particularly interested in the plants found growing with C. coum at the summit of Mt Meron. It was very cold with rain and hail...and there were the last remnants of earlier snow falls. There were many C. persicum growing at the summit and as well as C. coum the companion plants were Ornithogalum lanceolatum, Iris histrio, Sternbergia clusiana, Hyacinthus orientalis, Gagea and Colchicum spp.
It's listed in the Seedex this year.
Photos of my two plants from Israel (ex 90561) and a CSE persicum ex Rhodes
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Steve,
I must say the leaves of persicum var autumnale are not very exciting, there is little variation.
So far the only better leaf pattern is the 'Christmas tree',I have never found any plant with silver leaves or different patterns.
Hmmm...so I think I'll re-label this young plant as 'var notumnale'.
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Young plant of C. purpurascens sending up a small, second flush of flowers.
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Roma - presumably offspring of the high-altitude form that was collected in 1990? I had a similar experience in those two really bad winters we had and my couple of plants certainly coped better than other forms of persicum I grow. (Not as 'nesh', as we'd say in Yorkshire!).Forumists may be interested in details of this Cyclamen Society collection:
Two plants were collected at an altitude of 1,200 m (90560, 90561) and the field notes say:
...we were particularly interested in the plants found growing with C. coum at the summit of Mt Meron. It was very cold with rain and hail...and there were the last remnants of earlier snow falls. There were many C. persicum growing at the summit and as well as C. coum the companion plants were Ornithogalum lanceolatum, Iris histrio, Sternbergia clusiana, Hyacinthus orientalis, Gagea and Colchicum spp.
It's listed in the Seedex this year.
Photos of my two plants from Israel (ex 90560) and a CSE persicum ex Rhodes
It is nearly twenty five years since Peter Moore and I made that trip but your post was a nice reminder, even though we were freezing cold on that day.
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Hi Steve & Melvyn I bought two plants of hardy persicum as I call them from Peter, must be five or six years back I think, they were listed in his catalogue as C. Persicum 90560. I also received seed from the cse list I think, it was for C. Persicum 90561, I haven't had the nerve to try any of them outside, but I seem to recall that Peter had them growing successfully in his garden, if my memory serves right, he of course lives down in kent, a lot further south than me.
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It is nearly twenty five years since Peter Moore and I made that trip but your post was a nice reminder, even though we were freezing cold on that day.
.......And so many people now able to enjoy growing and learning about these plants - quite something that, as an achievement 8)
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An unusual and very early Cyclamen elegans with silver leaves and a nice flower with twisted petals. Only young but has potential.
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Vert nice Pat. I had some seed from Jan Bravenboer for C.elegans that flowered in November. Not sure I got any germination, I must have a look.
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Nice looking elegans Pat.
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Checked up on my Israeli Cyclamen persicum. The collection number is CSE90432 which was collected at an altitude of 1025m on the road from Newe-Ativ to Meduzat Nimrod and Banyas.
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Nice elegans, Pat.
A tiny but very attractive leaf on Cyclamen mirabile ex 'Tilebarn Anne'
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An unusual and very early Cyclamen elegans with silver leaves and a nice flower with twisted petals. Only young but has potential.
Very attractive Pat .
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Stil in flower in a very sunny and warm part of the rockgarden : Cyclamen purpurascens .
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Extremely early this year : Cyclamen persicum already in flower. This is the form that grows on Cyprus.
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Cyclamen hederifolium ssp. crassifolium
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Some seedlings in the garden .......
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Really nice leaf Roma, loverly purpurascens & persicum Kris.
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An unusual and very early Cyclamen elegans with silver leaves and a nice flower with twisted petals. Only young but has potential.
A lovely early suprise.
Cyclamen hederifolium ssp. crassifolium
Cracking leaves Kris! It has a look of one of the ex CSE Leonidi plants or perhaps progeny of ex CSE 93073 plants that Jan B sometimes has available for sale?
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Leonidi was my first instinct as well Steve.
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Hello everyone. New here. I recently bought some C. africanum and C. greacum from Ashwood nurseries. Is there any special ways of sowing and caring for them or do I just put them in a pots and wait?
Hello Lewis - sorry, I've got muddled- Steve did reply to you, but I wasn't sure if you'd had answers from the cyclamen folks so I'm just adding a couple of links you may find useful - http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=192.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=192.0) and here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4584.msg123273#msg123273 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4584.msg123273#msg123273) and the posts from Diane following that, too.
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Hello Lewis - sorry, I've got muddled- Steve did reply to you, but I wasn't sure if you'd had answers from the cyclamen folks so I'm just adding a couple of links you may find useful - http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=192.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=192.0) and here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4584.msg123273#msg123273 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4584.msg123273#msg123273) and the posts from Diane following that, too.
Thanks Maggi, and everyone else. :)
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Courtesy of ants - normally I hate them, but this array of Cyclamen coum and occasional cilicium is special
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Hi Arthur the ants have given you a good selection of plants with some great leaves, ironic seeing as you hate them ;D
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A nice Cyclamen rohlfsianum, unfortunately a very slow grower.
Second picture shows it with different leaves of other plants and two siblings of the same seed capsule.
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Those are lovely forms Hans.
Do you mean that this particular plant or the species generally are slow for you?
C. rohlfsianum grows slowly for me too but I assumed that this was mainly because my conditions were somehow sub-optimal.
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I find that C. rohlfsianum is variable in terms of growth rate (C. cyprium and some others are similar). Grown under apparently the same conditions some are really slow and some (unfortunately a minority) grow reasonably quickly.
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Ashley, it is this particular plant and its siblings. Do not know the reason, maybe because they came from a selfed plant, the colouration of the leaves or maybe the conditions are worse than for others. On the other hand the motherplant (not as nice) is growing next to them and grows well. Those plants are about 8 to 9 years old....
All other C. rohlfsianum grow much faster.
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Thanks both. I must try again, with seed from another source.
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Ashley, most of my plants are from Cyclamen Society seed and they are very variable in constitution
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What happened with this Cyclamen rohlfsianum?
I hope very much there is a better Cyclamen grower than I am who would be able to tell me the reason for the unexpected behaviour shown here. Previously in the greenhouse the plant developed fine new leaves.
After the temperatures dropped I kept the pot in a slightly warmer room inside. First the leaves grew on but now, about a week later they began to wilt.
I must confess that I did not water carefully after the change mentioned so that the leaves were found somewhat flabby at one occasion. But after that and an additonal watering they recovered at first but began to yellow later.
So my question is - es Cyclamen rohlfsianum especially sensitive concerning irregular watering/temperature changes?
Gerd
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@Gerd
Perhaps it couldn't cope with rapid temparature change? I always keep my rohlfs ouside until below 0c at night. ??? ??? ??? ???
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@Gerd
Perhaps it couldn't cope with rapid temparature change? I always keep my rohlfs ouside until below 0c at night. ??? ??? ??? ???
Thank you Naoto!
Where do you leave the species when it was freezing outside? What is the minimum for your plants?
Gerd
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It seems to me that I stopped the Cyclamen thread with my last question!
Perhaps there will be anyone who can tell me the temperature requirements for
Cyclamen rohlfsianum during winter time.
Gerd
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It seems to me that I stopped the Cyclamen thread with my last question!
Perhaps there will be anyone who can tell me the temperature requirements for
Cyclamen rohlfsianum during winter time.
Gerd
Gerd - my first thought when confronted with yellowing leaves and/or wilting leaves (that don't recover by the evening after a sunny day) is always, damn, I've screwed up on the watering! Underwatering isn't usually a problem, plants soon pick up. More often for me it's overwatering, and rohlfsianum does seem to be particularly sensitive to this, particularly as the temperatures drops when the roots could be sitting for days in cold, wet compost. During winter, rohlfsianum needs to be kept above freezing. I've not had to use the heater in my greenhouse so far this year - it's been so mild - but it got down to just below freezing in there this week and while the rohlfsianum are ok, I wouldn't want to risk it getting much lower than that. I also have some plants in the house and they grow well so they like the warmer conditions, but the light levels are much lower so plants can get etiolated if they're kept growing during the dullest time of the year. If you want to keep plants in character it's probably best to grow them 'hard' but frost-free.
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Steve,
Thank you very much for your cultivating advices!
Maybe I overwatered the plant before I kept it inside - I have to confess that I always become
somewhat careless concerning watering when the hotter season is over.
Nevertheless the species developed some (leggy) new leaves inside.
Gerd
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Help! My sister-in-law has just given me 5 large dry rootless corms presumably of hederifolium. Bought I suspect from a bin in her local garden centre. She usually uses Hilliers but I would have hoped they would have given up this practice. 2 of them have flower buds but the others nothing. Is there any way I can rescue these or should I just bury them in the garden and pretend the wildlife got them.
Erle
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Hi Menai I would pot them up in good size pots and use compost with good drainage. Put them in a greenhouse or a cool frost free place and see what happens. They will either grow or they won't, the two with the buds sounds promising. I agree with you this sort of thing should be stopped, but certain countries are still allowing some species to be dug up and sent abroad.
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A hybrid; africanum x confusum dark form still in bloom
and a carpet of C. rohlfsianum leaves
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Hi Oron I have never heard of a africanum/confusum hybrid before, does it have a name yet? It has lovely flowers. Great leaves on the rohlfsianum, by the way oron the persicum autumnale you sent me have started into growth a few weeks back and looking really good.
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Hi Oron I have never heard of a africanum/confusum hybrid before, does it have a name yet? It has lovely flowers. Great leaves on the rohlfsianum, by the way oron the persicum autumnale you sent me have started into growth a few weeks back and looking really good.
Hi John
There isn't a name for this hybrid, probably because C. confusum has been upgraded to a species level only recently or luckily it occurred only for me...?
I get often hybrids between africanum/hederifolium/ confusum as they grow next to each other and flower at the same time.
The latest hybrid is quite incredible it is probably persicum x graecum ssp. anatolicum!
It appeard in between C. graecum anatolicum seedlings.
I haven't found any literature mentioning this possibility accept a trial done artificially.
Still I'm a bit confused about it as my graecum anatolicum flower in autumn at the same time with C. persicum var autumnale but this plant blooms as the common variety in mid winter.
There are two possibilities either it did hybridize with var persicum that occasionally blooms earlier or it hybridized with var autumnale but behaves differently.
As you can see in the photo, it is the plant on the left which has identical leaves to the other but will have persicum flowers in about 6 weeks time.
Glad to hear you had good germination with the autumanle.
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Hi Oron it shows how closely related to each other africanum/hederifolium/confusum are to hybridized so readily, I find my plants in the repandum group do the same. Your persicum/Graceum anatolicum plant has really great leaves Oron, as you say I also get flowers out of season on my persicum plants. Your other theory about persicum autumnale and Graecum anatolicum is another good possibility, but you would think in that case it would flower at the same time as its parents, really strange.
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C. rohlfsianum, intaminatum and confusum flowers still hanging on (just...)
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I recently bought three 'cyclamen coum silver leaf' from Eurobulbs and wasn't expecting too much as they only cost £5.50 for the three. Two of the plants look normal, but on the third all the flowers are weird and look as though they have been ironed! It has been in flower for two months already and is quite attractive. Is it something to be kept and loved, or is it suffering from a disease and should be destroyed before it infects all my other cyclamen?
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I recently bought three 'cyclamen coum silver leaf' from Eurobulbs and wasn't expecting too much as they only cost £5.50 for the three. Two of the plants look normal, but on the third all the flowers are weird and look as though they have been ironed! It has been in flower for two months already and is quite attractive. Is it something to be kept and loved, or is it suffering from a disease and should be destroyed before it infects all my other cyclamen?
Margaret - yes, the flowers do look a bit odd but cyclamen can sometimes throw up abnormal flowers, just look at 'Stargazer' (pass the sick bucket)! The leaves look ok and the flowers aren't streaked so it probably (?) isn't virused. Personally, I'd hang on to it to see if 'normal' flowers appear next year although to be on the safe side you could isolate it from your other plants. If it sets seeds it would be interesting to see if the same characteristic is passed on to its offspring. Unusual for C. coum to have already been in flower for 2 months though, mine are still in bud.
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Leave stargazer alone steve or I'll take that sick bucket and put it over your head while full ;D
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Leave stargazer alone steve or I'll take that sick bucket and put it over your head while full ;D
Yes, 'Stargazer' really is a marmite plant! I like marmite but not keen on 'Stargazer' at all ;D.
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Other way round for me, like stargazer, hate marmite with a passion.
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Margaret, I think your plant looks pretty healthy- in so far as one can tell from a photo- and I think those "button" flowers are rather sweet.
(Not that anybody cares : I love Marmite and think Cyclamen 'Stargazer is awful!)
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Its marmite for me as well. Stargazer on toast is just wrong.
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Nice one Pat ;D
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Haha! Like that Pat, but then I do like both Stargazer and marmite!
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I recently bought three 'cyclamen coum silver leaf' from Eurobulbs and wasn't expecting too much as they only cost £5.50 for the three. Two of the plants look normal, but on the third all the flowers are weird and look as though they have been ironed! It has been in flower for two months already and is quite attractive. Is it something to be kept and loved, or is it suffering from a disease and should be destroyed before it infects all my other cyclamen?
I have a white one with a pink nose that does the same every year - mine has probably got some C. alpinum mixed in somewhere
Yours is a nice plant - it will be interesting to see if it produces any viable seed
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Thanks Steve, Maggi and Graeme for the comments, they have earned a reprieve for my plant and I will see if it produces any seed. In view of the very early flowering I had suspected it may be a hybrid, I think at Eurobulbs they grow everything together in fields and left to their own devices, so anything could happen.
To add to the Marmite v Stargazer survey, give me Marmite any time. I still fondly recall my schoolfriends' reactions when I took Marmite and cucumber sandwiches to school, even if I started out with white bread it was very brown by lunch time!
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any one tried stargazer dipped in marmite? on toast? mmmm
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Cyclamen coum in the garden today - probably the earliest it has flowered here. This is a self-seeded plant.
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Cyclamen alpinum and Cyclamen coum - there are three plants in the pot
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There's some really interesting articles in the latest Cyclamen Society journal (so if you are reading this, Martyn, congratulations on an excellent issue). There's a report on the 2014 Lebanon field study that covers C. persicum and C. coum (C. libanoticum was covered in the June issue); reports of C. repandum on Corfu; a fascinating account of fasciation - not easy to say after a few drinks - in C. cilicium by Mike Brown concerning their plant that won a Farrer Medal in 2009 (while it was clearly a very vigorous clone, their cultivation techniques may have had something to do with the stunning quantity of flowers this prize winning plant produced); and the latest research on C. graecum using DNA analysis.
The latter may elicit a groan from the clumpers and traditionalists because, based on the latest DNA analyses involving a range of plants from the three sub species, the researchers are now proposing to raise C. graecum ssp anatolicum to species level. So the C. graecum group would comprise of two species: C. graeum (ssp graecum and ssp candicum) and C. maritimum (formerly ssp anatolicum). C. maritimum (Hildebrand 1908) is the earliest name available at species level for what is currently called C. graeum ssp anatolicum so no new names are required.
The researchers point out that the split between C. graecum ssp graecum and C. graecum ssp anatolicum (2.9 to 3.4 million years ago) is older than the average speciation age of 2.3 million years for the genus Cyclamen so it would be entirely consistent to treat C. graecum ssp anatolicum as a species rather than a subspecies. All seems pretty logical and straightforward to me.
I'm really happy to be a member of a relatively small society that supports and contributes, through field work and providing plant samples, to this sort of horticultural research. All this plus two journals, a seed exchange and four shows annually. And for a tenner a year where else can you get so much stimulation? Apart, perhaps, from hanging around behind Manchester Piccadilly station - but there's far less risk of getting arrested! :D
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Hi Steve I recieved my copy yesterday and had a quick flick throught it, it seemed a lot thicker than usual. i' ll get the kettle on and settle down for a nice read with a cuppa.
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..... the researchers are now proposing to raise C. graecum ssp anatolicum to species level. So the C. graecum group would comprise of two species: C. graeum (ssp graecum and ssp candicum) and C. maritimum (formerly ssp anatolicum). C. maritimum (Hildebrand 1908) is the earliest name available at species level for what is currently called C. graeum ssp anatolicum so no new names are required.
Good news for "Splitters" but not good news for us in Australia (or New Zealand, I suspect)! :'(
As Cyclamen maritimum is not currently on "ICON" as an allowed species any seed of it sent here will be confiscated and destroyed. Name changes aren't automatically accepted onto ICON and though in the past we would be informed if an item was seized and if we could show them that it was previously allowed in under an earlier name or synonym we would be allowed it, sadly this is not the case any more.
cheers (?)
fermi
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I can see the reasonong behind this split but what a completely inapropriate name!
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Hi tony I know what you mean I prefer anatolicum, but there you go.
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Here is a persicum var autumnale starting to flower with plenty of buds to come, will look great over Christmas.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8662/16093394822_e9a875001b_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/16093394822/)
Cyclamen Persicum var Autumnale (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/16093394822/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7559/16092181771_2f2dff866d_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/16092181771/)
Cyclamen Persicum var Autumnale (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/16092181771/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr