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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: johnralphcarpenter on January 09, 2014, 02:54:04 PM
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A new Tulip year! Cheating a bit, as this is not a tulip according to the latest research. Looks like we will have to get used to calling it Amana edulis again, acording to Christenhusz et al, 2013: they say that Amana, Erythronium and Tulipa form a closely related group and Amana is distinct from Tulipa.
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Don't bother changing the labels Ralph, lovely little thing.
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I really wonder sometimes about the relationships botanists say exist between this and that species. Tony Hall says Iris verna is related to I. pallida!!! I suppose the future employment prospects for botanists/taxonomists is well ensured. :-X
I thought the Amana was terribly difficult but a couple of bulbs given to me by the generous Betty Clark, just two years ago, have flowered and grown on so well that the pot is packed with them now.
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Just to let you know that Christenhusz et al have published Tiptoe through the tulips - cultural history, molecular phylogenetics and classification of Tulips (Liliaceae) in the Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society 2013, Issue 172 pgs 280-328.
I have it on good authority that it is an excellent reference document.
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As yet I cannot find a free access to this paper but it is online here if you have access and the abstract is open http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/boj.12061/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/boj.12061/abstract)
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Just to let you know that Christenhusz et al have published Tiptoe through the tulips - cultural history, molecular phylogenetics and classification of Tulips (Liliaceae) in the Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society 2013, Issue 172 pgs 280-328.
I have it on good authority that it is an excellent reference document.
£37.55 to download the full paper!
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I was in RHS Lindley library yesterday and read the article (which I could have photocopied for £4). It is a good article however a synopsis of it is presented, by the same authors, within the latest monograph from Kew (Tulipa available on Amazon for £40). The book contains illustrated details of all recognised species - and is definitely a book that I'll be getting for my own library.
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Tulips emerging in the tunnel.
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I received the book The Genus Tulipa: tulips of the world' by Diana Everett last week and have subsequently devoured the contents.
(£41 Amazon)
Chapter 1 presents an extremely succinct history of the appeal of the flower and its subsequent movement across Europe as well as discussing the previous classification of the genus. In fact, it is so succinct that it is only two pages - for more detail see papers by van Raamsdonk and Zonneveld.
Chapter 2 is a highly personal account of the author's search for tulips in the wild. It covers just 18 pages and is simply written.
Chapter 3 by Richard Wilford, is an eight page distillation of the cultivation of tulips in the garden and under glass. He writes well and says what needs to be said - more detail can be found in his 2006 work.
Chapter 4 by Fay and Christenhusz is a synopsis of their paper which is discussed in earlier Forum postings. I'm glad publication was held back to include their findings. Thankfully they have eschewed the notion of not going beyond subgenera into sections - it's complicated enough with tulips!
Chapter 5 constitutes the bulk of the book and contains the taxonomic treatment of each species (and all those tricky neo-tulips). An illustration and often a photograph (in habitat) accompanies each species. The descriptions are terse but sufficient for purposes and give details of distribution. The paintings are of variable quality - but who am I to judge when I can't even paint a living room wall properly!. I did think that some of the paintings lack the luminosity of the actual plants, but appreciate that this is terribly difficult to achieve. Having the bulb (in tunic), the tepals and stamens presented is, however, very helpful.
There is an extensive bibliography (hurrah!).
The appendices contain an alphabetical checklist of species (with synonyms) and a summary of Zonneveld's 2009 work on sectional classification for those masochists who enjoy breaking subgenera down into minute units. Appendix 3 contains details of nurseries with a heavy emphasis on UK stockists (it includes an incorrect address for Miniature Bulbs which was purchased by Frankie Charlton of Choice Bulbs in early 2013 and moved to the north east of England but that aside they all seem to be there. It would have been good to have had more of the Baltic nurseries represented). Appendix 4 provides biographical notes (some of only one line) on prominent authors, collectors and growers.
How do I rate the monograph? Well, I do admire the dedication of Diane Everett in producing the work which I'm sure will prove to be an important reference for quite some time to come. We've been asking for it and I take my hat/cap off to her. I do wish some of paintings of white and yellow flowering species had more vivacity but, that aside, I do heartily recommend the book and thank the author for her trouble and time - it was worth it and much appreciated!
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Tulipa (Amana) edulis
A bit of a floral understatement but it has quiet charm and the virtue of flowering early when there is little competition.
Sadly the light levels were poor and so it needed a spell on the kitchen table before the flowers would open. This species is no stranger to kitchen tables and is sometimes known as the Edible Tulip (hence the Latin epithet).
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2821/12273227665_9c08b08c88_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3754/12273226835_1526a75a7b_o.jpg)
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Superb pictures. Mine have been firmly closed outdoors for the past month. Will have to try the kitchen table trick!
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Fine pictures Steve.
This year I postponed first watering to mid-January (!), to delay emergence until light levels are better.
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First proper tulip of the year waiting to open outdoors (mine are all outside but with some cover from the incessant rain). Tulipa binutans, just need some sunshine now.
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Another day, another storm. But before it arrived there was a brief period of sunshine. The nodding habit of Tulipa binutans is reminiscent of Erythronium.
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With our dismal weather, I had to resort to artificial light in the polytunnel to get these indifferent photographs: Amana edulis and Tulipa binutans.
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Lovely Tulips Ralph, you really do keep a lovely selection.
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Thanks David, it's in danger of becoming an obsession! Lots more to come, hopefully.
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Spring is arriving here,
These Tulipa agenensis, coastal form were sown in winter 2008 to flower now.
This form used to be called T. agenesis ssp. sharonensis but now a synonym of T. agenensis.
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Splendid. What soil are they growing in?
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Thanks Ralph,
this bed is 50% sand, 25% crushed Tufa, 25% local soil [Rendzina]
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Spring is arriving here,
These Tulipa agenensis, coastal form were sown in winter 2008 to flower now.
This form used to be called T. agenesis ssp. sharonensis but now a synonym of T. agenensis.
Great tulips, Oron !
I love the undulate leaves !! :o
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Pic from Evolution Plants today - There's more to life than snowdrops Tulipa clusiana 'Mountain's Pride'. Photo by Gemma Neech, who represented EP at the Shaftesbury Galanthus Gala.
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Pic from Evolution Plants today - There's more to life than snowdrops Tulipa clusiana 'Mountain's Pride'. Photo by Gemma Neech, who represented EP at the Shaftesbury Galanthus Gala.
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A real showstopper Maggi !
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Lovely "redheads" Oron.
Maggi, sure it's a tulip? Doesn't look like the ones I see in gardens around here :P
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Maggi, sure it's a tulip? Doesn't look like the ones I see in gardens around here :P
Yes, it is a tulip, not one that I have seen in person so far. It is a very lovely flower I think.
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Tulipa koktebelica, from Leonid Bondarenko, and Tulipa humilis Violacea Group both in bud and should open soon, weather permitting.
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Tulipa kolpakowskiana
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Nice Yann !
Here's Tulipa subbiflora getting started !
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A few days good weather makes all the difference. 1,2,3: Tulipa koktebelica, from Leonid Bondarenko; 4. Tulipa orthopoda, a tiny species, from Janis.
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Ralph, Oron and Luc I have nothing but envy.
My T. neustruevae the first of the year.
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Nice Yann !
Here's Tulipa subbiflora getting started !
And here's my Tulipa subbiflora, from Janis.
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Here's Tulipa biebersteiniana waiting for some sun. Another from Janis; "Kamennije Mogili (Stony Tombs), Ukraina, Dombai Steppe, collected by D. Zubov".
Edit to add comment by Dimitri: "Ralph, it's really Tulipa ophyophylla ssp. bestachica, which I've collected myself in 2008 in Stony Tombs Reserve at Azov Steppes, and offered to Janis later under my true name "FIRE BIRD" in Russian "ЖАР-ПТИЦА (zhar-ptitsa)" ".
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Nice sunshine today. 1,2,3: Tulipa ophyophylla subsp. bestachica (see last post), now open. 4,5: Tulipa humilis Violacea Group has also opened.
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Couldn't resist photographing these again: Tulipa koktebelica and Tulipa orthopoda.
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A nice surprise in the garden this morning, with this Tulipa neustruevae emerging for its first flowering (sown in 2008)
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Lovely - particularly pleasing when just opening.
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A nice surprise in the garden this morning, with this Tulipa neustruevae emerging for its first flowering (sown in 2008)
Very nice!
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1. This Tulipa binutans has four flowers from one bulb; 2. Tulipa biebersteiniana is enjoying the sunshine.
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Another favourite of mine starts to flower today, Tulipa Cypria
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Lots happening in your new bulb beds, Oron. Terrific depth of colour in the tulip - and in that Romulea tabularis, in this thread http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11434.msg297702#msg297702 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11434.msg297702#msg297702)
In contrast, the Scilla dimartinoi http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11267.msg297700#msg297700 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11267.msg297700#msg297700) is very pale - though the foliage rosette and flower form is interesting.
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Lots happening in your new bulb beds, Oron.
Thanks Maggi, you are right , i think I'll move my own bed down there soon... so that i dont miss anything ;)
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Thanks Maggi, you are right , i think I'll move my own bed down there soon... so that i dont miss anything ;)
You mean you did not do that already?!!!!! I'm shocked that you could risk missing a single minute!
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Another favourite of mine starts to flower today, Tulipa Cypria
Georgous colour Oron , so dark red .....
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Another favourite of mine starts to flower today, Tulipa Cypria
:o :o :o What an exceptionnal colour, Oron !!
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This is a big robust species, Tulipa kaufmenniana; from Janis, "AJA-9748 Pskem Valley, Urungachsay, Ugam mountain range, Uzbekistan, 2500-2800m". Flowers are 10cm across when fully open.
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Also from Janis, Tulipa bifloriformis 'Bashkizilsai'.
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Another favourite of mine starts to flower today, Tulipa Cypria
You know the question I'll always ask when you show such a stunning plant, Oron,
"Does it set seed?" ;D
cheers
fermi
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1. Tulipa montana KV61, from Kurt Vickery, should open very soon; 2. Tulipa subpraestans bud just emerging - from Janis, "Tadjikistan, collected by Arnis Sesums"; 3/4. Tulipa polychroma Hort., a Dutch selection.
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Tulipa montana KV61, from Kurt Vickery, now fully open.
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My first season growing these, I hope there might be a pot full in a year or so. Must try some of Ian Young's magic powder on them
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Very nice Ralph. Are your KV plants from seed, and if so, how long did they take?
Oron, your T. cypria is a wonderful colour 8)
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Very nice John. Are your KV plants from seed, and if so, how long did they take?
Oron, your T. cypria is a wonderful colour 8)
No, Ashley, I do have some seed from KV germinating at present, but this one is from a flowering sized bulb from his last bulb list.
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Must try some of Ian Young's magic powder on them
Magic powder???
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Magic powder???
"Ian Young's magic powder" - a nickname given to Sulphate of Potash - a Potassium powder ( Kali powder on the continent) that Ian swears by to feed his bulbs to promote flowering. He's been applying it this week - it's in the Bulb Log. http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=bulb (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=bulb)
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Ah, right! I have some in the garage.
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quick trip to that link as i hadn't seen the latest Bulb Log. A great treasure as always, thank you Ian. :) I love that picture of the little white fluffy girls and I think they are so lucky to be living in such an environment. In the picture with just Molly, she seemed to be saying, "this is my very special home which you may visit if you tred carefully."
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1,2: Tulipa subpraestans, now fully open (see reply above); 3,4: Tulipa tschimganica, also from Janis, "ARJA-9887, Ihnachsai mountain and river system (Kauvgansai-> Sjemessas-> Kensai-> Ihnachsai), Pskem mountain r.c. 2200-3200m".
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Tulipa praestans 'Shogun' Note the 2 flowers
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Very nice, Arthur.
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Tulipa micheliana from the Kopet Dag.
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Very nice, Luc.
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Tulipa florenskyi
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I have this one as tulipa mogoltavica but I think it is a greigii. Any suggestions ?
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A collection of Jim Archibald made near Salmas in Iran under number JJA17284.
Is this one named already ?
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Tulipa 'Ancilla', Kaufmanniana Group.
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1. This pot has both colour forms of Tulipa tschimganica ARJA-9887 (or Tulipa x tschimganica if you prefer!).
2. Tulipa subpraestans is very vivid.
3. Another form of Tulipa montana from Kurt Vickery, KV59.
4. This is the true Tulipa polychroma, from Kurt, KV115.
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Tulipa kurdica, one of the humilis group.
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Tulipa armena ssp. armena. Only one flower on these seedraised young plants.
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Tulipa 'Ancilla', Kaufmanniana Group look gorgeous Ralph. Do you have any of you Tulips out in the open or are the all under cover?
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Luc,
Very interesting collection and super compact plants - it seems
you either have a very sunny situation or you add artifical light.
Gerd
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Luc,
Very interesting collection and super compact plants - it seems
you either have a very sunny situation or you add artifical light.
Gerd
No artificial light Gerd. The combination light-temperature is important, meaning as cold as possible during wintertime.
I only have UV lights on my southern onco's.
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Luc,
Thanks for quick reply!
Gerd
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Tulipa 'Ancilla', Kaufmanniana Group look gorgeous Ralph. Do you have any of you Tulips out in the open or are the all under cover?
They're all outside, Ross. When they start to die down in early summer I cover them with plastic tunnels, which stay on until early February. This protects them from summer and winter wet and also helps give them a good summer baking (they are in a very sunny location). When the tunnels come off in late winter, hopefully they get a covering of snow, but not this year. They are coming into growth by then anyway. This regime suits most but not all of the species; some, T. sylvestris for example, need a different regime.
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Thanks Ralph. I am getting quite enthusiastic with tulips but have only grown some easy ones in the open ground. I got some more unusual ones last autumn from JR, so the trick is going to be keeping them going into year two and my pot culture experience is quite limited. The SRGC has really blown this Genus wide open for me since I started using it last month and I am amazed at some of the posts.
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Thanks Ralph. I am getting quite enthusiastic with tulips but have only grown some easy ones in the open ground. I got some more unusual ones last autumn from JR, so the trick is going to be keeping them going into year two and my pot culture experience is quite limited. The SRGC has really blown this Genus wide open for me since I started using it last month and I am amazed at some of the posts.
A wonderful genus, Ross, but seemingly not as popular as many discussed in the Forum, such as Galanthus, Cyclamen, Fritillaria, Crocus, Iris etc etc.
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Tulipa binutans from Janis; "Kirghizstan, Bishkek foothills".
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Tulipa bakeri MS781 - should be the true species.
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Tulipa montana var. chrysantha, from Kurt Vickery.
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Now fully open, Tulipa montana KV59, from Kurt.
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Stunning collection :P
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Tulipa korolkowii, from Janis, "ARJA-0066, Kuramin mountain road, W. Of Kandir-Divan pass, Oudzhasai, 1500-1900m".
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The two colour forms of Tulipa tschimganica ARJA-9887, from Janis, now open.
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Tulipa humilis 'Albocaerulea'.widely available. This came from Broadleigh Gardens.
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Tulipa kurdica, from Janis. Kurt questions whether this is a valid species. Supposedly now a synonym of Tulipa humilis.
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Tulipa sogdiana, also from Janis.
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From : http://www.nordicjbotany.org/ (http://www.nordicjbotany.org/)
"A new species of the genus Tulipa L. from Ferghana depression (Uzbekistan)
4 February 2014
Tojibaev, Komiljon; de Groot, Sjaak; Naralieva, Nasibakhon
A new Tulipa L. species collected in the Ferghana depression is newly described, belonging to subgenus Kolpakowskianae Raamsd. ex Zonn. et Veldkamp. It is similar to T. scharipovii Tojibaev and T. talassica Lazkov, but are distinguished by different morphological characters and ecology"
A new Tulipa species from Uzbekistan -
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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1111/%28ISSN%291756-1051/earlyview (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1111/%28ISSN%291756-1051/earlyview)
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Interesting, thanks Maggi.
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Tulipa praestans 'Unicum'
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For my first post, one of the rarest wild tulip of France, Tulipa lortetii. Discribed but lost and supposed to be extincted in wild.
Few where found in south of France in 1990. It is now protected and saved !
Some pics in wild and in the garden
It's a close relative of Tulipa radii, very stoloniferous but the flower has no yellow ring and bloom earlier.
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This plant is one that is capable of confusing us by not only being a synonym but also for appearing in different lists as lortetii and loretii :-X
See new and previous incarnation of the Kew list and IPNI etc.
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Tulipa ulophylla is blooming outside, despite some snowflakes yesterday.
Deep red and beautiful foliage, a jewel !
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Tulipa shrenkii, a very variable species in wild. Here is a full red form from Volga's area.
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Tulipa agenensis, rare in France and threatened by urbanization and intensification of agriculture.
In culture the plant requires a lot of heat to bloom.
In the garden
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In wild
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Tulipa heteropetala from Kazakhstan.
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A very nice form of tulipa tarda from Kurt Vickery.
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A tulip we collected in the south of Armenia near the border with Azerbaijan.
It was growing together with tulipa sosnowskyi. The yellow form of it ??
Edit. This is tulipa florenskyi in its yellow form
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Tulipa sogdiana again.
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Tulipa sosnowskyi. Not sure where I got this one; I have had bulbs from several sources including Janis and Leonid. Must keep better records!
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A couple from Kurt Vickery: Tulipa montana KV40 and Tulipa Montana KV119.
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Tulipa systola WHIR-21. From Janis, "Iran, Kuh-e-Sendan Dag, very wet valley after pass, really damp soil with stream at bottom, 2105m".
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Tulipa fosteriana. From Janis, "Agalik, Uzbekistan, 1977".
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A nice cultivar, Tulipa humilis 'Persian Pearl'
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Tulipa stapfii. Probably not a valid taxon these days. Dutch origin. Now a synonym of Tulipa systola.
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Now I'm confused again. Here are some variations on Tulipa clusiana, the first I have labelled as T. clusiana var. stellata, not sure where I got it from. The second is labelled T. clusiana f. cashmeriana, this is from Gerben Tjeerdsma. The third is labelled T. clusiana var. cashmeriana, and is of Dutch origin, Antoine Hoog. According to the latest book none are valid taxons. Too difficult!
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Two species from Janis in close-up:
Tulipa carinata
Tulipa butkowii
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lovely tulips from all 8) 8)
here some clusiana's for comparison Ralph
cashmeriana
clusiana
clusiana
stellata
'Peppermintstick'
yours look like 'Lady Jane'
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'Lady Jane'
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lovely tulips from all 8) 8)
here some clusiana's for comparison Ralph
cashmeriana
clusiana
clusiana
stellata
'Peppermintstick'
yours look like 'Lady Jane'
These photos from the Hortus Bulborum Foundation at Limmen, Armin? Really lovely .
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Yes Maggi, Hortus Bulborum - simply a great place for any bulbs lover.
About now should be the right time for a visit ;).
Our 'Dutch Master' might be able to give further advices on the status of peak of blossom :D
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Here's Tulipa biebersteiniana waiting for some sun. Another from Janis; "Kamennije Mogili (Stony Tombs), Ukraina, Dombai Steppe, collected by D. Zubov".
Ralph, it's really Tulipa ophyophylla ssp. bestachica, which I've collected myself in 2008 in Stony Tombs Reserve at Azov Steppes, and offered to Janis later under my true name "FIRE BIRD" in Russian "ЖАР-ПТИЦА (zhar-ptitsa)"
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here flowered my
Tulipa regelii - Tamgaly desert, Kazakhstan,
and Tulipa koktebelica - Etchki-Dag mt., Crimea
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Tulipa korolkowii, flowering for the first time in the garden :)
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Ralph, it's really Tulipa ophyophylla ssp. bestachica, which I've collected myself in 2008 in Stony Tombs Reserve at Azov Steppes, and offered to Janis later under my true name "FIRE BIRD" in Russian "ЖАР-ПТИЦА (zhar-ptitsa)"
Thanks for the clarification!
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lovely tulips from all 8) 8)
here some clusiana's for comparison Ralph
cashmeriana
clusiana
clusiana
stellata
'Peppermintstick'
yours look like 'Lady Jane'
Thanks Armin.
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Here are the Tulipa clusiana again; firstly the one labelled var. stellata, and secondly f. cashmeriana. Probably both not right as such, in fact I can't see a lot of difference between them.
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Bought this gem from Tim Ingram on Sunday; Tulipa orphanidea subsp. whyttallii.
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This is a garden tulip which pops up every year; anyone know what it is?
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Tulipa species KV97 from Kurt Vickery. Anyone care to ID?
Edit to add comment from Kurt: "According to Zonnevelds analysis this is THE T.stapfi. I collected KV121 from a locus
classicus and it is very different in shape and habit. KV121 is what I would have expected T stapfi
to look like. The Iranian reds are very complicated!"
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Tulipa agenensis RUDA-093, from Janis, "Dokuzdolanbac gec (on map Demirci gec), right side of road, stoney scree slopes, 1890m".
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Another example of Tulipa tschimganica, obtained from Antoine Hoog via Kevock Plants.
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Tulipa dubia 'Beldersai' from Janis.
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Oh my, how I covet your T. regelii Dimitri. Wonderful.
I do like your Tulipa dubia 'Beldersai' also Ralph, love the the way it hugs the ground.
Here is my Tulipa butkovii
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Here is my Tulipa butkovii
I do like these orange-reds -not a colour you find in too many other spring flowers.
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Some tulips flowering here at the moment :
Tulipa Berkariense
Tulipa clusiana with a nice background ... :D
Tulipa greigii 'Sunset'
Tulipa x greigii 'Goldenes Prag' with a first vvedenskyi flower peeping from behind it
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Nice show mister Luc !
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Here are the Tulipa clusiana again; firstly the one labelled var. stellata, and secondly f. cashmeriana. Probably both not right as such, in fact I can't see a lot of difference between them.
No sun today so could photograph the outside of the petals. I still can't tell them apart - I think I'll simply label them Tulipa clusiana!
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Here's Tulipa sylvestris growing on a shady bank in the garden.
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Here are a couple in Kansas.
John B
T. 'Corona'
T. 'Helena'
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A widely available garden cultivar, Tulipa 'Rococco'. Not sure whether I like it or not.
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A couple of unnamed garden tulips.
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Tulipa 'Ivory Floradale'. My wife bought this for me for our Ivory wedding anniversary, some years ago now!
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Tulipa ulophylla WHIR-099, from Janis, "just on pass near Khosh Yeylaq, slope with sparse small rocky outcrops and dwarf shrubs, 2240m".
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Tulipa micheliana WHIR-059, from Janis, "Iran, road from Bojnurd to Shoqan, on first pass, very steep slopes with rocky outcrops covered with small and dwarf shrubs, 1830m".
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This Tulipa sosnowskyi flower is huge! 17cms across.
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I have this labelled as Tulipa montana Yellow Form. Dutch origin and probably not the true species.
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Tulipa dubia 'Beldersai' again, a little beauty.
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Tulipa sylvestris 'Tabriz', from Kurt Vickery.
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Tulipa greigii, the true species, also from Kurt.
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Tulipa tarda 'Kashka Su', from Janis.
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Tulipa heweri; this is of Dutch origin - not clear whether the true species is in cultivation.
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Tulipa wilsoniana, according to the label. This is from Janis, but Kurt reckons it is a horticultural form of T. montana.
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Tulipa 'Ivory Floradale'. My wife bought this for me for our Ivory wedding anniversary, some years ago now!
Sorry, it isn't Ivory Floradale. True cultivar is almost white, real ivory. Can't post picture as I'm not growing garden tulip cultivars for around 20 years and haven't digital pictures. Searching in slides would take too much time.
Janis
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I have this labelled as Tulipa montana Yellow Form. Dutch origin and probably not the true species.
Looks correct.
Janis
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Tulipa wilsoniana, according to the label. This is from Janis, but Kurt reckons it is a horticultural form of T. montana.
Duschak, Arvaz, Kopet-Dag, Turkmenistan
Flowers comparatively large for length of stem, brilliant vermilion-red with pointed tips and small blackish-blue centre. Leaves undulated. Only 15 cm high. My original collection on Duschak mount around 30 years ago (when it was USSR).
Janis
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Thank you, Janis, your comments are very helpful. I only have collection details for the bulbs I had from you last autumn; it would be very useful to have details for those I had from you in previous years - I will have to make a list!
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A nice lost label garden tulip.
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I planted some tulip bulbs, probably from either Avon Bulbs or Broadleigh Gardens, at the side of the driveway years ago. I thought they had died out; don't remember seeing them in recent years. But here they are! Nice delicate tulip; any offers as to identity?
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Tulipa albertii. Not sure where I got this; Kurt reckons it is a T. vvedenskyi hybrid. So not the true species.
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Tulipa affinis. From Sjaak de Groot via Janis. Said now to be a synonym of T. fosteriana.
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... Nice delicate tulip; any offers as to identity?
Maybe a clusiana var chrysantha form Ralph?
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Tarda Group... I missed again their full-bloom time.
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Tulipa clusiana var. chrysantha? Yes, I think so.
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Tulipa albertii. Not sure where I got this; Kurt reckons it is a T. vvedenskyi hybrid. So not the true species.
Not albertii.
Janis
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Thanks Janis.
Here is the other colour form of Tulipa dubia 'Beldersai'. Is this virused?
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In the garden, common but a good doer; Tulipa bakeri 'Lilac Wonder'.
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Tulipa ostrowskiana, from Janis.
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Tulipa armena
Tulipa altaica
Tulipa vvedenskyi
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One of the 'french neo-tulips' is just open today, Tulipa platy stigma, from Guillestre, in the Hautes-alpes.
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Luc, Fred, very nice.
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Flowering in the garden Tulipa bithnica it is quite tiny
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Flowering in the garden Tulipa bithnica it is quite tiny
Absolutely exquisite, Ian!
Seeing all these tulips is making me quite impatient for ours and I'm still planting them! ;D
cheers
fermi
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Tulipa armena, another one from Janis.
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Got this from Leonid Bondarenko as Tulipa rubidosa: "Savoye, France. In English information sources named T. platiphyllum, in France ones T. rubidosa. I take part of French colleagues, because it is their native tulip".
Now we are told this is Tulipa x gerneriana, possibly Tulipa gerneriana f. rubidusa, or even Tulipa x gesneriana 'Rubidusa'. Whatever!
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And some tulips in the garden yesterday.
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Visited the Eden Project in Cornwall at the end of last month (of which more later in another topic). Nice tulip display in the Mediterranean biome.
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Something very cheerful about tulips en masse - this from Colin Crosbie of the tulip display at Wisley:
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"Tulip display at RHSWisley, 14000 tulips, 350 different cultivars. A great way to enjoy the diversity of these bulbs".
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Some more tulips in the garden.
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Here's another Tulipa sosnowskyi, not sure where from. Could be the one from Janis, "Schwanidzor, Armenia, e Z. Basmajyan".
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Tulipa goulimyi KV266, from Kurt Vickery.
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Got this from Lars Hansen in Denmark as Tulipa primulina, which is correctly Tulipa sylvestris subsp. primulina according to the latest book. Looks more like Tulipa clusiana to me.
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Absolutely exquisite, Ian!
Seeing all these tulips is making me quite impatient for ours and I'm still planting them! ;D
cheers
fermi
Thanks Fermi it is one of the neatest plants for me
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Tulipa karabachensis, from Janis: "Armenia, Mount Hustup, Zangezur mountain range, collected by Arnis Sesums".
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Tulipa urumiensis, a nice little tulip. This is of Dutch origin; Kurt Vickery tells me that wild material is not in cultivation.
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Tulipa fulgens. From Cambridge bulbs; no details of provenance.
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KV266 is amazing, i love the contrats between petals and black stamens
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Tulipa armena from Erzurum Turkey
Tulipa sylvestris from near Ankara Turkey
Tulipa doefleri from Crete
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Lovely photographs.
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Took a day trip to Cambridge Botanical Garden yesterday; they hold the National Collection of Tulipa. Only a small selection on display in the alpine house, but here are some photographs.
Tulipa mauritiana (Tulipa x gerneriana now).
Tulipa ferganica
Tulipa tetraphylla.
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More.
Tulipa urumiensis
Tulipa aximensis
Tulipa altaica
Tulipa linifolia 'Scarlet'
Tulipa 'Captain Fryatt'
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And finally
Tulipa acuminata (now Tulipa 'Cornuta' I believe) and the display as a whole.
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I wonder if anyone in New Zealand grows any of these unusual species?
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Tulipa aucheriana, from Janis. Nice colour, makes a change from yellows and reds. And a nice garden tulip.
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I have this labelled as Tulipa tetraphylla, but it is not yellow. It is from Janis but I do not have collection details.
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Also from Janis but without collection details, Tulipa carinata.
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mix of species and garden hybrids flowering today
T. cretica is one of my favourites - beautifully understated
'Dreaming Maid' has great colour and does well and in being quite short doesn't tend to get whipped by the wind.
This is first time I've had 'Latvian Gold' - it tended to blow out quickly but will probably keep again for next year.
'Maytime' taken in front of the hyacinth theatre - a good waisted tulip.
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and a few more..
...all purchased over past 3 years from Miniature Bulbs (now Choice Bulbs owned by renowed daffodil grower Frankie Charlton www.choicebulbs.com (http://www.choicebulbs.com) ).
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This was a surprise when it popped up in a corner of the garden; I don't remember planting it but I guess I must have done so sometime. A dainty little tulip, I'm pretty sure it is Tulipa linifolia, possibly from Paul Christian.
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Tulipa undulatifolia KJGR-054, from Janis, "Chios island, Greece, shortly before Temple of Appolon, 28m".
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Tulipa butkowii. Also from Janis but I don't have details.
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Some nice garden tulips.
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Some nice garden tulips.
Hi Ralph,
Are they possibly the lily-flowered tulip 'Marilyn'?
cheers
fermi
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I don't remember buying that one - but there's a lot I don't remember!
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;D ;D ;D
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Tulipa batalinii. This one from Antoine Hoog via Kevock, so Dutch origin.
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Tulipa x gesneriana, from Norman Stephens.
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some tulips from holland.........
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and some more...
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A couple from Antoine Hoog via Kevock. Tulipa ferganica and Tulipa didieri.
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Back from Creta after a 3 weeks trip ... with many pictures of course !
I saw 4 of the 5 tulip species of the island, I was just to late for T goulimyi, may be next time :)
First, Tulipa bakeri at Omalos, near Samaria gorge.
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Here's an unknown which appeared just in front of the compost pile under heavy shade from a European beech tree.
Note the thin red line.
And
Tulipa altaica
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T doerfleri at Giou Campos (Creta).
After studiing neotulips in France, with only few plants for each species (2 for T didieri !) it's very nice to see such tulip's fields in wild !
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some tulips from holland.........
Wietse, I wonder how you controle virus in such large fields for such cosiderable amount of tulips. What persent of infected plants you encounter annually within a virus succeptable variety ( I mean in general)?
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Tulipa 'Girlfriend', planted two years ago and it has doubled from last year. Maybe I should divide it this year?
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This one just keeps coming back.
Tulipa ferganica
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Tulipa saxatilis above Spili, Crete. Juste after a storm ... I was lucky to find some flowers left.
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And the latest, in the garden, Tulipa norvegica also called Tulipa ×gesneriana
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And the latest, in the garden, Tulipa norvegica also called Tulipa ×gesneriana
‘Pilot
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Vincent,
Where did you get your norvegica?
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Yes, I'd like to get hold of that one too!
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I bought 4 different Tulipa batalinii cultivars last autumn. Three are the same >:( and one doesn't look like T. batalinii
Is this 'Salmon Jewel'?
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Wietse, I wonder how you controle virus in such large fields for such cosiderable amount of tulips. What persent of infected plants you encounter annually within a virus succeptable variety ( I mean in general)?
Hello,
Of course we try to remove all the virus diseased plants from the field. Every year This works in one tulip better than in the other. , for an easy species, each year about 0.05% to 0.1% is sick. in the difficult tulips (yellow, "black" and white), 0.5% to 3% sometimes is sick!.
How are your alliums doing??
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My T norvegica come from Laurent Lieser who described the plant in 2011. I'll try to multiply it this year !
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Tulipa sprengeri, a late bloomer. Can't remember where this came from!
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I've remembered! It was Broadleigh Gardens.
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A friend got this as Tulipa sprengeri from Garden Imports in Toronto. Lovely little nodding thing but.... Any thoughts on a proper name?
johnw
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I think it looks like Tulipa silvestris.
Ulla
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Discovered this tiny thing in one of the "mounds"; it was planted under a Washington Thorn (Crataegus phaenopyrum) in 2006 - probably as an afterthought as it wasn't doing anything in a pot - from AGS Seedex 2003: Tulipa orthopoda
cheers
fermi
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Nice find, Fermi!
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Nice find, Fermi!
Thanks, Ralph,
Just wish I'd found it before the slugs did! :-\
cheers
fermi
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A new tulip for me - Tulipa montana in bud,
cheers
fermi
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Tulipa Montana now open,
cheers
fermi
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Tulipa greigii, possibly the selection 'Red Riding Hood'
cheers
fermi
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Not a great pic, but the first flower on a tulip raised from seed from SRGC Seedex 2007 ex Tulipa clusiana 'Lady Jane'.
Like most of the other Tulipa clusiana it seems to have a tendency to "run". It doesn't have the purple basal blotch of the type species, so I presume it's a selection of the ssp stellata,
cheers
fermi
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The "typical" form of Tulipa clusiana is now flowering,
cheers
fermi
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A couple of Tulipa kaufmanniana hybrids:
'Heart's Delight'
'Concerto'
cheers
fermi
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1) A pic of the Tulipa clusiana with the flowers open to show the purple central blotch;
2) Tulipa kolpakowskiana-needs feeding - will the Potassium sulphate help make next year's flowers;
3) a new planting of Tulipa fosteriana 'Toulon' - only 2 flowers out of 5 and they appear to be different to each other! I think the paler one is correct but what is the darker one?
4) A double pink hybrid -lost label
cheers
fermi
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Fermi, are you sure that your Tulipa Concerto is really Concerto? What I have with this name is white (or cream) with plain yellow center
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Hi Oleg,
I can't be sure at all!
It's the first time I've grown it and did think it looked a lot like 'Heart's Delight'.
We are a bit "at the mercy" of whatever the importers send to us!
cheers
fermi
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The cluster of Tulipa kolpakowskiana looks better in full sun!
cheers
fermi
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Similar to T. kolpakowskiana is Tulipa (clusiana ssp) chrysantha 'Tubergen's Gem' which has a soft red exterior,
cheers
fermi
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Whatever they are, Fermi, all your tulips are real heart's delight. They cheer me up when it's getting colder and colder here (already only +7)
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Glad they are cheering for you, Oleg :)
Here's Tulipa clusiana 'Cynthia' x 2
Tulipa albertii
Tulipa hageri
Tulipa batalinii
cheers
fermi
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You may recall this :
Going Wild for Tulips
For anyone with an interest in wild tulips pictured in nature I can thoroughly recommend this little booklet by Eric Breed.
There are 42 species beautiful photographed in their habitat in for instance Kazakhstan, Kirgizstan, Turkmenistan, Iran, but also in Crete and Switzerland.
The photos are made over several years by Eric Breed, Wim Lemmers, Marijn van den Brink, Sjaak de Groot, Arie Peterse and most trips were guided by Vladimir Kolbintsjev.
The price of this little booklet is € 9,95 excl. p. p.
Details on ordering etc. can be obtained from Eric Breed: info@tulippictures.eu
Now I suggest you have a look here, in case you have not spotted the link from Eric Breed's profile: http://www.tulipsinthewild.com/ (http://www.tulipsinthewild.com/) and follow the links to see the slideshow of pictures from Eric Breed, Marijn van den Brink and Vladimir Kolbintsjev - and their colleagues 8)
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Thanks, Maggi,
that's a brilliant slide-show but raises a few questions, such as what exactly am I growing labelled T. kolpakowskiana? ???
cheers
fermi
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Thanks, Maggi,
that's a brilliant slide-show but raises a few questions, such as what exactly am I growing labelled T. kolpakowskiana? ???
cheers
fermi
As Eric says, "There are bulbs grown commercially in the Netherlands under the name T. kolpakowskiana, but they actually belong to a different, related species in the T. ferganica group"; this isn't confined to T. kolpakowskiana, there are a number of Tulip "species" which are widely available from Dutch growers which are not in fact the true species. Tulipa tarda comes to mind. This is widely available in garden centres in the UK, but is almost certainly of hybrid origin. The picture below should be the true species, from Janis.
These Dutch clones are nice plants and easier to grow than the wild species, but what to call them? Kurt Vickery and I discussed this a while ago and concluded that Tulipa tarda Hort. would do!
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Fermi: your tulip is a nameless member of the ferganica group, it is easy to see on the hairy stems ( kolpakovskiana and its alies have no hairs on the stem). I grow similair plants from the hills on south side of the fergana valley.
The name kolpakovskiana for this tulip orginate by A.D. Hall who described it in his book the genus Tulipa together with T. iliensis with is also not correct. Both tulips belong to the same species as mentioned above.
Ralph: T. tarda as grown in Holland is the true species together with its yellow form that is sold under the name T. urumiensis.
Sjaak de Groot
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Welcome, Sjaak! It has been a real pleasure to see your photos on the wild tulip website. 8)
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Thank you, Sjaak, it's good to have a real expert on board!
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Fermi: your tulip is a nameless member of the ferganica group, it is easy to see on the hairy stems ( kolpakovskiana and its alies have no hairs on the stem). I grow similair plants from the hills on south side of the fergana valley.
Sjaak de Groot
Sjaak, would it be correct then to call it Tulipa aff. ferganica?
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Hi Ralph
that is correct, but I am afraid that the name T. kolpakovskiana hort. will survive as this name is familiair in the trade.
Sjaak de Groot
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Thanks, Sjaak,
I'll need to update the talk I'll be doing on species tulips next year for a nearby garden club - I'll give them the link to your website, too!
I'd love to try the true T. kolpakovskiana but where can we get seed of it?
cheers
fermi
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Fermi, Kurt Vickery regularly lists many central Asian species, many/most wild-collected.
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Fermi, Kurt's latest list here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12008.msg313618#msg313618 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12008.msg313618#msg313618)
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I received a nice books entitled "tulips of kazakhstan", 268 pages with descriptions in kazak and english.
Those interested by the genius and the area covered should like this book, though a bit hard to find.
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other shots of the content
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Very nice, but £70!
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Some details of the book:
Tulips of Kazakhstan / Kazakhstannyn qyzgaldaqtary / Tyulpany Kazakhstana (Kazakh) Hardcover – 1 Jan 2010
by Valdshmidt (Author)
Publisher: Almatykitap; 1st edition (2010)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 6010104084
ISBN-13: 978-6010104082
This tells us more about the background to this book http://www.undp.kz/en/articles/1/87.jsp (http://www.undp.kz/en/articles/1/87.jsp)
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I would like to reassure you i didn't pay so much, the street price is around 17£.
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I would like to reassure you i didn't pay so much, the street price is around 17£.
Which (back) street was that, Yann? 8)
Chris
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a good friend is living in KZ, the book can be found in libraries.
however he had to order the book of course not in stock.
If you're interested PM me ;)
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Thanks Yann.
Although I'm a sucker for books, I'll probably give this one a miss.
Cheers, Chris
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Was this paper ever mentioned here- of a new species named for a Kazakh botanist Anna Ivastchenko ?
Tulipa ivasczenkoae Epikt. et Belyalov
http://ssbg.asu.ru/turcz/turcz_16_3_5-7.pdf (http://ssbg.asu.ru/turcz/turcz_16_3_5-7.pdf)
or indeed of Tulipa kolbintsevii from 2012
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257447465_Tulipa_kolbintsevii_Zonn._a_new_species_from_Eastern_Kazakhstan (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257447465_Tulipa_kolbintsevii_Zonn._a_new_species_from_Eastern_Kazakhstan) - named for Vladimir Kolbintsev?
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Some links for photos of these tulips mentioned above -
http://www.plantarium.ru/dat/plants/4/468/251468.jpg?9a50bdbe (http://www.plantarium.ru/dat/plants/4/468/251468.jpg?9a50bdbe)
http://www.plantarium.ru/dat/plants/4/461/251461.jpg?ff0be7c2 (http://www.plantarium.ru/dat/plants/4/461/251461.jpg?ff0be7c2)
http://www.plantarium.ru/dat/plants/4/459/251459.jpg?e9e2f041 (http://www.plantarium.ru/dat/plants/4/459/251459.jpg?e9e2f041)
and lots more besides :
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/best/of/4652.html (http://www.plantarium.ru/page/best/of/4652.html) 8) from the galleries of Vladimir Kolbintsev
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Plantarium is a den of botanic lovers.
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Plantarium is a den of botanic lovers.
Yes! Isn't it just! So many great sets of photos 8)
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Was this paper ever mentioned here- of a new species named for a Kazakh botanist Anna Ivastchenko ?
Tulipa ivasczenkoae Epikt. et Belyalov
http://ssbg.asu.ru/turcz/turcz_16_3_5-7.pdf (http://ssbg.asu.ru/turcz/turcz_16_3_5-7.pdf)
or indeed of Tulipa kolbintsevii from 2012
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257447465_Tulipa_kolbintsevii_Zonn._a_new_species_from_Eastern_Kazakhstan (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257447465_Tulipa_kolbintsevii_Zonn._a_new_species_from_Eastern_Kazakhstan) - named for Vladimir Kolbintsev?
I mentioned these to Kurt Vickery; he had seeds of T. kolbintsevii in his 2013 seed list. He is aware of T. ivasczenkoae as Anna is a friend of his. He also mentioned another newly described species from Cyprus - T. akasmanica - see https://www.facebook.com/groups/bulborum/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/bulborum/) and search for Tulipa akasmanica.
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Roland's Facebook page and group are only for members. :'(
One of the reasons this open forum is so popular, I think :)
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There seem to be a lot of members, many familiar from this Forum.