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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: krisderaeymaeker on January 05, 2014, 10:03:09 PM
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The opener of 2014 : Colchicum doerfleri .
From North Greece and very reliable here . Flowers every year in wintertime.
Notice the difference : picture 1/flowers just starting - other pictures/flowers open for more days
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Colchicum ritchii in the Negev Desert looking good this year due to much rain.
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Remarkable display of the variation in colours, Miriam. So beautiful!
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Colchicum hungaricum albiflorum
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Colchicum ritchii in the Negev Desert looking good this year due to much rain.
Hi Miriam,
They look wonderful! I'd not heard of this species before - I wonder if anyone is growing it in Australia as I see it is allowed into the country as seed! I must check with Marcus or Otto!
cheers
fermi
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Colchicum ritchii in the Negev Desert looking good this year due to much rain.
Oh yes they look very good indeed Miriam . Thanks for sharing !
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Colchicum ritchii in the Negev Desert looking good this year due to much rain.
Great pictures Miriam. How fantastic to see such beautiful flowers in the otherwise barren desert. :) Now bring on the irises. ;D
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Colchicum doerfleri is stil in flower ....and is at is best now ........
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More Colchicums reaching flowering status ...
Colchicum luteum and also serpentinum .
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Miriam, thank you for sharing the wild colchicum pics! Very interesting :)
kris, perhaps spring has already arrived in your bulb frame :)
Here is Colchicum falcifolium, on outside bench.
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kris, perhaps spring has already arrived in your bulb frame :)
Here is Colchicum falcifolium, on outside bench.
Hi Tatsuo , regarding temperature spring already arrived here .....but regarding sunshine it is rather autumn .....
Your falcifolium looks great as ever ....
Here C. serpentinum goes on and on ....
(why this genus is so unpopular ?)
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The Genus Colchicum unpopular? Really?
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Thanks, Kris. The thing is always 'latitude' ;)
Colchicum triphyllum and Colchicum kesselringii, today. I realised that this kesselringii flower has heliotrope scent :)
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Extremely beautiful Tatsuo !
Here luteum x kesselringii and kesselringii with nice stripes and colour ...
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Colchicum doerfleri is stil in flower ....and is at is best now ........
fabulous Colchicum
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fabulous Colchicum
Thanks Mark !
A new update .....
C. serpentinum , almost finished
C. luteum keep going
C. luteum x kesselringii
C. jolanthae
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Kris, is your C. luteum x kesselringii seed fertile?
Colchicum kesselringii 'Purple Star', today.
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Tatsuo, nice C.kesselringii.
Here my first flower:
Colchicum trigynum, grown from seed under the synonym Merendera candidissima.
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Two in flower now:
Colchicum hungaricum - a gift from Kot :)
Colchicum kesselringii - dark form from Luc S
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Colchicum hungaricum 'Valentine' just coming into flower outdoors yesterday.
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Flowering three weeks early this year is Colchicum minutum - quite difficult to photograph in todays bright sun shine.
I lifted many of them last year to pot up and grow in the greenhouse. Something ate them
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Mark:
I've found slugs eating Colchicum corms underground when I was digging them.
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I find the small black slugs around the large bulbs. Mine disappearing was partially/mostly my fault because I just left them sitting where I had lifted them
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Colchicum hungaricum 'Valentine' and Colchicum kesselringii today.
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Merendera kurdica, today, not flowering any earlier given the mild Winter.
AGS seed raised, one bulb always has dark anthers, I should try to separate it out I suppose.
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They're lovely Pete
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Merendera kurdica, today, not flowering any earlier given the mild Winter.
AGS seed raised, one bulb always has dark anthers, I should try to separate it out I suppose.
I like to see that variation, myself. More interesting than a clonal potful to my eye - we call such pots "mixed widgets" - love 'em!
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Colchicum hungaricum 'Valentine' now has three flowers from a single bulb, and Colchicum kesselringii two.
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Here are some in Kansas today
JohnB
Colchicum luteum
C. kesselringii x2
Edit to add photo/plant names
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Who sells Colchicum hungaricum 'Valentine' and how does it differ from the pink form?
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Don't know. I got it from a Dutchman who lives in Sweden and was selling bulbs at the Great Dixter Plant Fair. Can't remember his name.
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Don't know. I got it from a Dutchman who lives in Sweden and was selling bulbs at the Great Dixter Plant Fair. Can't remember his name.
Sounds like Gerben Tjeerdsma but I don't know if he has ever sold plants at that fair.....
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That's him! See http://gerbianska.shop.textalk.se/colchicum/ (http://gerbianska.shop.textalk.se/colchicum/)
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That's him! See http://gerbianska.shop.textalk.se/colchicum/ (http://gerbianska.shop.textalk.se/colchicum/)
One of my most favourite people, as it happens. :)
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Who sells Colchicum hungaricum 'Valentine' and how does it differ from the pink form?
Paul Christian's website says this; "This is a clone from Dutch gardens. It retains all of the lovely features of this excellent little species but in addition, the flowers are of a good rose colour.
Flowering often coincides with Valentines Day".
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This is my pink Colchicum hungaricum and kesselringii.
The latter are dwindling :'( ??? Maybe they are not happy outside in troughs
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We've had some trouble with C. kesselringii too, Mark. Not sure why either. Very distressing/annoying because they are such a favourite.
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Do you still have this dark one? I gave you a bulb years ago
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I remember - It's gorgeous, but I think we've lost it........ will check properly tomorrow
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This is my pink Colchicum hungaricum and kesselringii.
The latter are dwindling :'( ??? Maybe they are not happy outside in troughs
Mark
The pink kesselringii is a stunner :) ;D :) First time I've seen it - do you remember the source?
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Sorry Arthur I don't. I had so many years ago I was able to give them away but now I'm down to three. I'm considering moving them in to pots and growing them in the greenhouse
Colchicum hungaricum after being warmed in the kitchen
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This is my pink Colchicum hungaricum and kesselringii.
The latter are dwindling :'( ??? Maybe they are not happy outside in troughs
:o :o :o What a stunning "pink" kesselringii Mark !
Never seen such fantastic kesselringii in the past .For me the best kesselringii ever !
If we only could "chip' them ......
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They have also ways been that colour so it doesn't surprise me but happy to know others like them. My first photos date back to December 2008 so I must have bought them that autumn.
They used to be this happy
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Anyone know what Colchicum kesselringii need to keep them going?
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Anyone know what Colchicum kesselringii need to keep them going?
Good question Mark !
I think they don't like garden conditions Mark . I would say anough warmth and a bit on the drier side. I think its better to keep them not to wet until flowers are gone ?
You don't often see big clumps of kesselringii , so I suppose more people struggle with it .
Here I lost several during the cold winters we had in the past years (even in pot in a frame)
I remember Diane grows a fantastic one , maybe she knows how to grow them wel ?
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Just checked. I only have five flowering sized bulbs. They live in a south facing trough that gets very dry during the summer when its not raining. Maybe they are desperate for fresh soil/a move
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Last autumn I planted Colchicum szovitsii 'Tivi', and it is already up and flowering, earlier than Galanthus nivalis. I didn't know it is so early, I hope it can survive the freezing nights which we will still have.
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2014 Spring
Colchicum bifolium , Colchicum falcifolium
regards
Kot
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Spring 2014
Colchicum luteum , Colchicum szovitsii
Kot
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Spring 2014
Colchicum luteum
Kot
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Kot
Good to see your colchicum. Is this the normal time for flowering or are they late this year?
Arthur
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Hello Arthur,
These colchicum bloom in the spring. In Poland, the spring is later than in England. In Poland, you have to blow them into the ground until November. Then bloom in March - April. Then frost does not damage the flowers.
Regards
Kot
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The autumn colchicums are starting in our garden.
We got this one as C. speciosum bornmuelleri, but I doubt it!
cheers
fermi
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Here's Colchicum davisii coming into bloom yesterday,
cheers
fermi
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I got this one almost 30 years ago from a friend who called it "Lilac Major".
Could it possibly be the cultivar known as 'Lilac Wonder'?
cheers
fermi
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This was one that I found without a label.
Any guesses as to what it might be? It's quite small and I have a 15cm /6 inch pencil in the last pic for comparison,
cheers
fermi
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I've shown this Colchicum before - grown from SRGC Seedex 2004 - as C. sibthorpii but I was told it wasn't; so can anyone hazard a guess as to its true identity?
cheers
fermi
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I got this as seed from one of the Seedexes year and years ago as one of the species which flowers with its foliage - it doesn't so I'm not sure what it is.
Someone suggested it might be C. corsicum - the others I have under that name aren't as floriferous as this one but I'd be happy to have someone else's opinion,
cheers
fermi
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A few years ago I transplanted one corm of the above mystery dwarf colchicum to another part of the garden where it has been overgrown by a spreading Teucrium supspinosum - the colchicum is too small to grow through it's thorny prison!
cheers
fermi
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The seeds of Colchicum szovitsii 'Tivi' are ripen and I sowed some yesterday. How many year will it be to flowering size bulbs (if all goes well)?
Does it come true from seeds?
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The seeds of Colchicum szovitsii 'Tivi' are ripen and I sowed some yesterday. How many year will it be to flowering size bulbs (if all goes well)? Does it come true from seeds?
I find that Tivi does come true from seed but will take a minimum of 5 years to flower, maybe more - they are very slow to bulk up to flowering size.
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Thanks Diane. :)
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For some years now (8-10?) I have been growing what should be Colchicum baytopiorum from seed. AGS or NARGS I forget. They have been neglected recently in large pots for a couple of years so have not grown much but still increase in number; must be well over a 100 bulbs, but the largest is maybe ~1.5 cm x 3 cm. How large do they need to get to flower? They produce long narrow leaves each year up to 20 cm or so long but not seen a flower yet.
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Colchicum graecum is Always the first to flower in my garden. This year it already started on the 25th of july ....
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Sure sign of autumn; Colchicum agrippinum.
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Colchicum neapolitanum var. macranthum
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Kris, your C. graecum is lovely.
A few from my garden
1. +2. Colchicum parnassicum 6. July
3. C. parnassicum 9. July
4. Colchicum graecum 9. August
5. Colchicum davisii 18. August
Poul
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And a few more
1. Colchicum montanum 9. August
2. C. montanum 10. August
3. C. montanum 13. August
4. Colchicum bivonae 'Apollo' 18. August
Poul
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So many already, Poul! 8)
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So many already, Poul! 8)
Yes, they have started early this year. We have had a warm and dry July followed by a wet and cold August.
Poul
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Great show Poul . I have also more flowers ....
Colchicum agrippinum and Colchicum tenorii.
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Colchicum 'Flamenco Dance '
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Great show Poul . I have also more flowers ....
Colchicum agrippinum and Colchicum tenorii.
Beautiful and well grown with very short flower stalks!
Poul
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Anyone good at IDing Colchicums from their bulbs? Not cleaned by me. This is how they were when I knocked them out today - just like little tulips
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I think these will be happy in their new pot
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Thanks to a friend from the UK ;)
Colchicum 'Nancy Lindsay '
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Colchicums looking great in mine but some are over already :'(
Anyone know this one? It has very distinctive bulbs that look like tulip bulbs
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I'm still trying to find out more about Colchicum Illyricum ex Drake which is a syn for C. fasciculare. This is my third season with it. I started with 5 and this time last year they had doubled to 10. I gave some away. This year they have almost doubled again. They have never flowered.
Am I doing something wrong?
They live in a clay pot in the sand plunge where they get fed with liquid feed every time the Galanthus and Narcissus are fed. Should I try some in the garden? How hardy are they?
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Colchicums looking great in mine but some are over already :'(
Anyone know this one? It has very distinctive bulbs that look like tulip bulbs
Hi Mark , looks very much like C. montanum to me . But I am not a specialist.
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I'm still trying to find out more about Colchicum Illyricum ex Drake which is a syn for C. fasciculare. This is my third season with it. I started with 5 and this time last year they had doubled to 10. I gave some away. This year they have almost doubled again. They have never flowered.
Am I doing something wrong?
They live in a clay pot in the sand plunge where they get fed with liquid feed every time the Galanthus and Narcissus are fed. Should I try some in the garden? How hardy are they?
I don't know much about the hardiness of this one Mark .Never grew it here.
But I do know that some Colchicums are very bad in flowering. Some are difficult to get in flower and there are more that not set flowers each year. Another thing I suspect , they do not like pots.
The bulbs very often want to go down and if they are potbounded they don't like this.
I would give it a try in the garden. I had this C.graecum in pot for many years and it never flower. Then I put in the garden and now it flowers each year.
But anyway , many Colchicums are very often difficult plants to grow. Offcourse not all ......
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I think that Karin Persson only recognise the name C. fasciculare ........
http://www.iopb.org/PDF/IAPT_IOPB_Chr_data7.pdf (http://www.iopb.org/PDF/IAPT_IOPB_Chr_data7.pdf)
And that one grows in Syria.
And when your Colchicum is a true fasciculare then I could imagine that is not very hardy Mark and give some trouble in flowering here ....
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Hi I recently found this colchicum growing in my garden, I think it maybe agrippium, could anyone please confirm this. Thanks john
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Hi I recently found this colchicum growing in my garden, I think it maybe agrippium, could anyone please confirm this. Thanks john
I think you are right John ! That must be the one .....
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Thanks for confirming Kris, loverly colour to the petals.
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From the exchange, sown Jan 2008 and flowering for the first time: Colchicum alpinum
Does this look right?
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Thanks Kris
Maggi did Ian's illyricum/fasciculare flower?
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Thanks Kris
Maggi did Ian's illyricum/fasciculare flower?
Is that the one he's had for a while now? I'm sure it flowered last year but it's not up yet this year.
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Colchicum Conquest (Glory of Heemstede) is blooming at my fathers collection field. A real good colour on it.
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From the exchange, sown Jan 2008 and flowering for the first time: Colchicum alpinum
Does this look right?
Hello Ashley.
I think it has the right looks but I suppose you have to see the corms to be sure ? (and maybe leaves to )
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Thanks Kris. I know very little about colchicums but rather like this one and hope more of the seedlings reach flowering size next year.
Yes I'll check the bulb and leaves in due course, ideally against a key if I can find one.
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Maggi, I sent him some last year
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Can someone put a name to these? All photos are of the same plants.
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I'm thinking C. graecum or C. tenorii
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Maggi, I sent him some last year
Was it just last year? I thought they flowered last year? Anyway , not up yet.
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Not even a root showing on mine
Two more photos of my lost label Colchicum
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I now know the identity of the tiny February flowering Colchicum that lives in a brick bed in the front garden. I always knew it was C. minutum and found the photo of the bulbs just now - taken in 2003
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'Glory of Heemstede' is one of my favourite colchicums Eric.
'Beaconsfield' is another similar one. The photos were taken yesterday evening.
My camera does not capture blues & purples very well so the photos below are not as captivating as the real thing.
Mike
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I now know the identity of the tiny February flowering Colchicum that lives in a brick bed in the front garden. I always knew it was C. minutum and found the photo of the bulbs just now - taken in 2003
Proving that small can be extremely beautiful!
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I now know the identity of the tiny February flowering Colchicum that lives in a brick bed in the front garden. I always knew it was C. minutum and found the photo of the bulbs just now - taken in 2003
Do you get seed from it Mark?
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I never look Anthony. Do you want some? Some tubers are tiny so I could send you a couple
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I never look Anthony. Do you want some? Some tubers are tiny so I could send you a couple
No you couldn't - that's not legal for New Zealand.
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C.minitum looks cute :), and I also like 'Glory of Heemstede' and 'Beaconsfield'. I planted 'Glory of Heemstede' last autumn, but is hasn't come up yet. The first Colchicum to flower for me is C.bivonae planted also last autumn (bought from Estonia). I really like this one because it is so early and also it is quite big.
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Autumn has officially arrived on the Western Isles with a pretty Colchicum x agrippinum
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Is Agrippinum a hybrid colchicum Matt?
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Hi John,
I've always assumed it to be a hybrid because that's what all the books I have tell me, usually stating something along the lines of "a plant of unknown origin/not known in the wild, presumed to be a hybrid between C. variegatum and probably C. autumnale".
However, Google shows sources citing it both with and without the hybrid identifier 'x'. As well as sources giving a distribution in the wild of Greece and Turkey (as a species in its own right or a naturally occurring hybrid) and others suggesting a man-made hybrid. Maybe someone here knows what the current view might be?
Regardless, it's an excellent plant, reliable bloomer and increases well for me (even with our climate).
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Taken in 2011, this is C. variegatum on the Greek island of Naxos, not far from the summit of Mt. Zas. I found quite a few in bloom, all out in the open. Cyclamen and Sternbergia were only flowering under spiny bushes where they were protected from grazing.
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Colchicum agrippinum provided a nice show the last few days !
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Wow Luc impressive. Does it grow outdoors? Get it temporary protection?
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Colchicum agrippinum is one of my favourite colchicum. I love the markings on the flowers. Here in Aberdeen it grows happily in the open garden with no protection and has survived winters with periods down to minus 19 C.
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Wow Luc impressive. Does it grow outdoors? Get it temporary protection?
It does quite well outdoors, Ebbie without any protection at all !
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Hi matt I'm trying it for the first time outside here, I managed to get hold of a growing bulb at the cyclamen society show last autumn at wisley & when it finished flowering I planted it out next to my pheasant pen, I'm glad it survived.
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Various Colchicum are starting to bloom in Indiana now, too. C. autumnale are sending up scattered blooms along the edge of the lane to the back greenhouse. They (or at least some of them) have survived a couple of rebuilds of that lane plus a couple of underground utilities' installations. They must be tough!
I tried one bulb of agrippinum once years ago and lost it after the second year. I planted it outdoors in the ground, near one of the greenhouses. I have never been very successful growing tender Colchicum in pots and wintering in the greenhouse, but I thought agrippinum was hardy here.
Also coming up are C. bornmuelleri and C. byzantinum. 'The Giant' is also up and blooming now, in the same bed where I lost the agrippinum.
Jim
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Hi I looked out of my kitchen window & thought what a miserable rotten day, I then happened to look down & saw colchicum cilicicum in flower & it cheered me up no end. It dosent seem like two minutes since I planted it.
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Luc and Maggi, thank you for your informations. I think I'll try it with Colchicum agrippinum.
I had years ago Colchicum variegatum in both in the greenhouse as well outdoors. In both cases I saw but never one flower!
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Taken in 2011, this is C. variegatum on the Greek island of Naxos, not far from the summit of Mt. Zas. I found quite a few in bloom, all out in the open. Cyclamen and Sternbergia were only flowering under spiny bushes where they were protected from grazing.
Nice to see them like that Matt. A favorite Colchicum and it is Always so good to see them growing in the wild. We already see them flowering in Kos and Rhodos.
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Luc and Maggi, thank you for your informations. I think I'll try it with Colchicum agrippinum.
I had years ago Colchicum variegatum in both in the greenhouse as well outdoors. In both cases I saw but never one flower!
I think this is a very good decision Eberhard. C. agrippinum is also hardy here and I think it is reliable in our gardens.
C. variegatum is indeed a bad performer here. I saw it in flower in Kos on a very very hot slope. It was growing in a kind of sand and the temperature was raising very high even in september. There was no protection at al , the sun was bursting. I have the same problem here , it is not an easy one to getting into flower. I remember that Franz was very succesfully for many years until his plant was frozen .
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Labels long gone.
Colchicum
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Looks like Colchicum tenori.
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Colchicum sanguicolle and colchicum confusum
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My unknown ?species Colchicum is producing different flowers from the same bulb. All first flowers were the same but all second flowers are a different shape. Very confusing!
first photo shows first flowers
second photos shows first flowers and second flowers together
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My first Colchicum of the year flowering on the rockery. I bought this one as C. cilicicum 'Purpureum' but I don't think it is that. Does anyone know it's true identity?
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While re making my sand plunges I found a Colchicum without a label growing in the sand. The height from the sand to petal tip is 7cm. The petals are 3cm from tip to where they join the tube
Anyone know it?
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A nice pot full of Merendera montana - photos day days apart
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a couple of colchicums both from Turkey
Colchicum vaerigatum
Cochicum bivonae
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That C.variegatum is stunning Tony. You must have had a good summer baking!
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That C.variegatum is stunning Tony. You must have had a good summer baking!
Mine flower every year despite being in the shade of a birch tree
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Mine flower every year despite being in the shade of a birch tree
Maybe they don't mind the shade because the birch roots suck up the moisture, giving them a dry rest?
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That C.variegatum is stunning Tony. You must have had a good summer baking!
No they have been in a quite moist frame all year round. It seems to flower no problem every year.
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No they have been in a quite moist frame all year round. It seems to flower no problem every year.
I live in hope then! ;D
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The Colchicum byzantinum blooming in the lawn. This is usually the first Colchicum to bloom every summer.
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These have been in the grass for about 15 years. They bloom every year, and a few of the bulbs have increased somewhat, as this one has.
Jim
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a couple of colchicums both from Turkey
Colchicum vaerigatum
Cochicum bivonae
Both stunning Colchicums Tony.
Maybe there are good flowering clones and bad flowering clones ? In the wild they grow in a relative big area (from Turkey to the Greek islands ) , so maybe this has some influence ?
But most likely Tony is a far better grower of bulbs then we Matt . ::)
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three more in flower
Colchicum cilicicum turkey Osmanyie
Colchicum vaerigatum
Colchicum sp Turkey Labranda this is only 5cm tall
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Colchicum variegatum is a lovely thing, very distinctive with the strong tesselation. Does it ever set seed for you Tony? I'd love to grow it. I do have C. macrophyllum which is also nicely tessellated and does well in a sunny raised bed in the garden here.[attachimg=1]
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Tony very nice macrophyllum.
No I have never got seed from the vaerigatum but I have now tried for it.
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three more in flower
Colchicum cilicicum turkey Osmanyie
Colchicum vaerigatum
Colchicum sp Turkey Labranda this is only 5cm tall
Stunning Tony !
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No sign of my C. variegatum which I divided a few weeks ago
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Tony very nice macrophyllum.
No I have never got seed from the vaerigatum but I have now tried for it.
Thanks for trying - keeping fingers crossed!
The macrophyllum has set seed in the past and appears to be increasing judging from the profusion of flowers. I'll be lifting and separating them next summer.
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Only common Colchicums here but they are making a good show
Colchicum speciosum
Colchicum speciosum album
Colchicum agrippinum
Colchicum atropurpureum - it has always looked rather streaky though the leaves are ok. There is a seedling nearby which looks good and is the most intense colour. Must take another pic on a better day. I will dispose of the original clump and keep the seedling.
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Great Colchicum show Roma ! :o
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Two more colchicum in flower in the garden at the moment, one is colchicum waterlily, I'm not sure what the other one is, if anybody can tell me?
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Here are a couple in flower at the moment. Bright sun is not good for picking up the true color.
Colchicum byzantinum album
Colchicum Princess Astrid --which may be a name no longer used.
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Something very heartwarming about seeing a happy bee in a flower, isn't there?
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Maggi:
Sure is. We see far too few around here. I get very little fruit set on apples and pears probably due to the shortage of these little busy pollinators.
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Great show Roma!
Some from my garden
Poul
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And finally Colchicum Waterlily. Some like it and some doesn't, but I find this clump pretty.
Poul
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These are all Colchicum speciosum, which I don't often see mentioned here. I got the bulbs in 1998 from Joe Halinar (Oregon, USA) and planted them in a patch out in my front lawn. They do not seem to have increased as much as I had expected for being there 16 years, but we like them anyway.
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I think Joe said they were raised from seed, but I have never seen any sign of seeds on these. Maybe I don't know what or when to looks for them...
Jim
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That's very green grass!
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That's very green grass!
Thanks, I presume, to the same North Pacific warm water that gave us our unusually cold winter last year, we had a mild summer with very regular rains. The grass loved it! The outfit that mows my grass loved it! My wife loved it! I think the colchicums liked it, or at least tolerated it. I have not had to take out a second mortgage to pay for it. It looks much nicer -- much greener -- than it does most years at this time.
Pictures taken with a Nikon D90, which might not be perfectly color balanced.
Jim
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Colchicum autumnale that have been flowering for at least a week. If I had known they produced so many flowers I might have only planted one ;)
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This Cochicum is just finishing up here, it was previously identified some years ago by a forumist as 'Antares'. The colour is accurate for this year, some years I believe it can be a tad pinker. Does the i.d. still stand?
johnw
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Looks as 'Antares' should, I reckon -
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4873.msg165135#msg165135 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4873.msg165135#msg165135) - lovely photo from Hagen in 2010
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3981.msg110447#msg110447 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3981.msg110447#msg110447) your pix from 2009
and another pic from Hagen : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3981.msg110476#msg110476 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3981.msg110476#msg110476)
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The diminutive but lovely Colchicum cousturieri (syn. Colchicum cupanii), from Kurt Vickery, ex Alan Edwards.
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Thanks Maggi. One wonders how it got to NS unless someone brought home from BC, wasn't offered by Cruickshanks or Garden Imports back then - our former best Ontario-based bulb suppliers.
johnw
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Here is my 'Antares', and it looks the same. :)
Second picture is 'Autumn Herald' and third 'Autumn Queen'. These two look very similar to my eye and they also come up about the same time. very nice plants and I also like 'Antares'. I understand these all are hybrids, and I was wondering about their origin because I got seeds from both 'Autumn Queen' and Autumn Herald' this summer. What species were used for these plants, does anyone know?
In the last picture there is 'Autumn Herald' in the foreground and 'Antares' in the back.
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Colchicum davisii Davis 26938.
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How does Colchicum cupanii differ from C. cousturieri?
I have bought both from various sources in the past and they look the same.
This year I decided to buy Colchicum cousturieri from Kurt. His bulbs flower with no leaves or leaves just visible while C. cupanii have a full set of leaves
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The last of the large flowered species in the garden is Colchicum speciosum.
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Mark here's my Colchicum cupanii
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Mark, well grown C. cupanii!
Here is my poor one
Poul
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cupanii is a slow grower
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How does Colchicum cupanii differ from C. cousturieri?
Hi Mark,
A number of sellers and growers clearly distinguish C. cousturieri as a distinct plant: "Closest allied to Colchicum cupani in its subspecies cupani but distinguished by Greuter by the presence of thin purple striae (veins) on the [petals]": http://rareplants.co.uk/product.asp?s=cuxcu5941064&strParents=&CAT_ID=447&P_ID=3104 (http://rareplants.co.uk/product.asp?s=cuxcu5941064&strParents=&CAT_ID=447&P_ID=3104)
However, the Plant List simply lists C. cousturieri as a synonym of C. cupanii subsp. cupanii: http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-302816 (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-302816)
And here you can even find it listed as C. cupanii subsp. cousturieri: http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/agsimages/library/image/?genus=Colchicum&imageid=1214&page=1 (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/agsimages/library/image/?genus=Colchicum&imageid=1214&page=1)
Confused? Me too!
In 'Bulbs of Greece' Kit Grey-Wilson only briefly mentions C. cousturieri under the entry for C. cupanii, saying: "...confined to islands off the SE coast of Crete, differs only in it's purple-striped tepals; however, similar plants [of C. cupanii] can be found in the S Peloponnese."
If purple veins and a limited geographic distribution are the only criteria, I'd say it might be hard to support the specific status of C. cousturieri on these differences alone when similar plants occur within the much wider range of C. cupanii.
It might be a case of a now botanically obsolete name being retained to identify garden plants of a specific provenance, i.e. "C. cousturieri" is easier to use as a form of gardeners' shorthand than "Colchicum cupanii subsp. cupanii ex Islands SE of Crete"?
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Mark, well grown C. cupanii!
Thanks Poul. Well fed and then neglected for the summer
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I've looked at the flowers and see no difference. In fact I'll go out now and do a side by side photo
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How does Colchicum cupanii differ from C. cousturieri? In each photo the same flower is to the left or right.
C. cousturieri still have more flowers than leaves
The naming of the photo doesn't indicate anything. I've tried different backgrounds to show off the flowers
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How does Colchicum cupanii differ from C. cousturieri? In each photo the same flower is to the left or right.
C. cousturieri still have more flowers than leaves
The naming of the photo doesn't indicate anything. I've tried different backgrounds to show off the flowers
Hi Mark,
I'm struggling to find any significant difference in the appearance of these flowers.
Geographical distribution may be the only botanical difference.
M
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How about leaf variation?
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How about leaf variation?
very different. Colchicum cupanii is more developed
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I know that the presence/absence of leaves is a reliable feature for the identification of Crocus, but they are not that closely related to Colchicum. I have forms of Galanthus reginae-olgae that flower with leaves, with tips only and without any leaves showing at all, but they are all G. reginae-olgae. I'm not sure how dependable a feature the presence of leaves is in Colchicum? A Google images search for C. cousturieri show plants with and without leaves present on flowering plants, and C. cupanii brings up plants with leaves or tips only. Flowering before the leaves show could be an adaptation of a local population to the later arrival of autumn rainfall in Crete compared to other parts of Greece?
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I actually was pointing to the structure of the leaves not the timing per se.
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I actually was pointing to the structure of the leaves not the timing per se.
I'll take photos when the leaves emerge more
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Colchicum parlatoris , more then 4 weeks later then previous year ......
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'Glory of Heemstede' seems to be a good colchicum to grow here, It started to flower in the end of September and even though there was a week of freezing temperatures (-5 at the most), it survived and continued to flower. I planted these bulbs last autumn and I hope it multiplies.
This picture is from last Thursday.
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Autumn is here finally :)
Some of the Colchicum in flower today:
C. decaisnei pink & white forms
C. feinbruniae
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C. macrophyllum with pink tips
C. macrophyllum 'Cretan White'
C. stevenii
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Wow, lots of cool plants flowering for you, Oron. 8)
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C. decaisnei pink & white forms
Lovely plants
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Turkey, Antalya, 09,11,2014
Colchicum decaisnei.. Thanks to Oron Peri for correcting.
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Turkey, Antalya, 09,11,2014
Colchicum autumnale
Ikizzeki Hello,
I would say it is C. decaisnei rather than autumnale
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Here are a couple of selected forms of Colchicum stevenii:
'Gisser' has a large starry flower, while 'Gisser dark is smaller, roundish with very dark color.
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After 6 years from seeds, C. hierosolymitanum [Jerusalem Colchicum] in flower today
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Here are a couple of selected forms of Colchicum stevenii:
'Gisser' has a large starry flower, while 'Gisser dark is smaller, roundish with very dark color.
Very nice. What size are they?
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Very nice. What size are they?
Thanks Mark,
C. stevenii 'Gisser' is about 6cm across while 'Gisser Dark' is half its size
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Several forms of Colchicum cupanii and tiny C. pusillum in bloom today;
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Love them. Will you have any bulbs or seeds for sale next year?
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Love them. Will you have any bulbs or seeds for sale next year?
John, hopefully I'll have seeds from all these plants.
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Two more species in flower today:
Crocus fasciculare from Jordan
Crocus zahnii syn. C. psaridis, a species producing much leaves and few flowers generally.
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Two more species in flower today:
Crocus fasciculare from Jordan
I really like all your Colchicums Oron . Some very nice forms like C. stevenii 'Gisser' and the cupanii form from Santorini .
That Colchicum fasciculare is also stunning and also new to me.
Here I had a very bad season for autumn flowering Colchicums. I also keep thinking that they don't like to be potbounded.....
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Here I had a very bad season for autumn flowering Colchicums. I also keep thinking that they don't like to be potbounded.....
Thanks Kris,
I also think that most of the Colchicum dislike pot culture.
I grow many species but i find that only species that have adapted to grow in small spaces such as rock crevices or between rocks where they are protected from moles do well in pots for example C. stevenii and C. feinbruniae.
The bulbs of other species such as C. tunicatum has its bulbs at about 10cm deep but has many layers of tunic which gives it excellent isolation.
I think that bulbs of colchicum have bad isolation [unlike crocus for example] therefor they need to find the optimal depth for their bulbs. We found that C. hierosalymitanum for example sends its bulbs to about 50cm deep. that is why it hardly ever flower in pots.
Since last autumn when i have planted all my bulbs in raised beds they flower like they never did before.
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So many thanks Oron. I am not good at identifying, only trying to learn..I am going to change its name..
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Thanks Kris,
I also think that most of the Colchicum dislike pot culture.
I grow many species but i find that only species that have adapted to grow in small spaces such as rock crevices or between rocks where they are protected from moles do well in pots for example C. stevenii and C. feinbruniae.
The bulbs of other species such as C. tunicatum has its bulbs at about 10cm deep but has many layers of tunic which gives it excellent isolation.
I think that bulbs of colchicum have bad isolation [unlike crocus for example] therefor they need to find the optimal depth for their bulbs. We found that C. hierosalymitanum for example sends its bulbs to about 50cm deep. that is why it hardly ever flower in pots.
Since last autumn when i have planted all my bulbs in raised beds they flower like they never did before.
Many thanks to add this information Oron ! :) I think this observation is very useful for al Colchicum lovers on this forum. This is what this forum is all about ...sharing useful information.
As you know I am a Colchicum- lover but I never find them easy to flower wel and I think you give a good explanation to this failure.
I only grow some in pot because of the winter hardiness but even then I am surprised sometimes. I had Colchicum graecum in pots for many years (because I doubt about hardiness ) and it did never flower . Then I take the decission to put it outside and since then it flowers every year in abundance . And my doubt about hardiness was not necessary ....
It is offcourse not obvious wich species are hardy enough , there is not much information about Colchicum.
Therefore it is good that some more people grow it. I wan't to try more of them in the garden in raised beds altough some are not possible in our climate. Another thing is that it is useful to grow them from seed so that they can adapt better to your own circumstances.
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John, hopefully I'll have seeds from all these plants.
That's good to know, Oron ;D
We'll be hoping for a good crop for "Seeds for Peace"!
Your comments on growing them in pots is interesting as I had been keeping some of the smaller ones in pots but will now look for suitable places to "release them"!
cheers
fermi
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New Collection
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Welcome back, Jan. Good to hear from you. Fine Colchicum 8)
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New Collection
Great plants Jan . :o Can you tell us something about the way you grow them ? They all look so great, compact and healthy ....
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Welcome back, Jan. Good to hear from you. Fine Colchicum 8)
I'm sorry, I'm home, I had technical problems this year.
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Great plants Jan . :o Can you tell us something about the way you grow them ? They all look so great, compact and healthy ....
It is grown as Colchicum luteum, good drainage, and layered soil. Fertilize only on the leaves.
Someone on the forum is already grown. It can be confirmed in better English. They give good seeds
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It is grown as Colchicum luteum, good drainage, and layered soil. Fertilize only on the leaves.
Someone on the forum is already grown. It can be confirmed in better English. They give good seeds
Thanks Jan ! I have some interest in what you mean by layered soil and fertilize only the leaves.
Maybe the person who grow them also that way can give some reply to ....
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More then one month earlier then other years ....
Merendera or Colchicum robusta .
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More then one month earlier then other years ....
Merendera or Colchicum robusta .
nice Merendera
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More then one month earlier then other years ....
Merendera or Colchicum robusta .
warm winter
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nice Merendera
From a very good source Jan ! ;)
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Kris, I see that we have the same source ;D
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Kris, I see that we have the same source ;D
8) ;D ;)
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8) ;D ;)
Kris, Colchicum from different locations. Multiflorous until six flowers. Are green colored flowers. Only 4 petals. This is 80% of such plants in the locality.
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Kris, Colchicum from different locations. Multiflorous until six flowers. Are green colored flowers. Only 4 petals. This is 80% of such plants in the locality.
Colchicum kesselringii jpg (2).JPG
Colchicum luteum DSC2578.JPG
Colchicum luteum green DSC00825.JPG
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Kris, Colchicum from different locations. Multiflorous until six flowers. Are green colored flowers. Only 4 petals. This is 80% of such plants in the locality.
Amazing Jan , interesting features !
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Colchicum kesselringii jpg (2).JPG
Colchicum luteum DSC2578.JPG
Colchicum luteum green DSC00825.JPG
Wow very nice forms , especially this extraordinary kesselringii ! Such nice stripes and colours on the outside of the flowers.
All very nice and compact grown , well done Jan .
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C. ritchii from Jordan in flower now
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C. ritchii from Jordan in flower now
Very nice Oron , a strange way of flowering .The way the flower stem come out of the leaves looks a bit unusual to me.
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Not a Colchicum but Androcymbium;
A. palaestinum, Ex Jordan Valley
A. rechingeri - Ex. Crete
The flowers of both species will last at least 4 weeks!
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Colchicum doerfleri
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8638/16116789561_0e286e3d6a_o_d.jpg)
In flower on Christmas Day.
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Superb photo.