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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: ashley on January 05, 2014, 02:00:26 PM
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The first one outdoors this year (sharing with a stray Rhodochiton seedling):
Crocus graveolens
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Very nice!
Janis
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Crocus michelsonii ‘God’s Look’ from Janis Ruksans (2001), flowering in the greenhouse now. This crocus is always one of the first to flower, sometimes in December. C. michelsonii ‘Odyssey’ and C. michelsonii ‘Turkmenian Night’ (also from Janis) also ready to flower soon.
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A bonny looking crocus Cyril!!!
I didn't realise there were so many selections of C. michelsonii.
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Steve, there is at least another named form, 'Blue Eyes' that I know of and used to grow.
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Crocus michelsonii ‘God’s Look’ from Janis Ruksans (2001), flowering in the greenhouse now. This crocus is always one of the first to flower, sometimes in December. C. michelsonii ‘Odyssey’ and C. michelsonii ‘Turkmenian Night’ (also from Janis) also ready to flower soon.
Very exciting Cyril. And a very warm welcome to the forum ! Very glad that we have you on our forum ! I agree with Steve , al those forms are new to me to....
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Kris, all these forms are quite slow to multiply. After 12 years, the one bulb of C. michelsonii 'God's Look' has only increased to 7 or 8.
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Hello 'Squirrel'- what a nice surprise to have you join in - and happening the night after Ian and I were remembering Steve's first visit here with you all those years ago!
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Kris, all these forms are quite slow to multiply. After 12 years, the one bulb of C. michelsonii 'God's Look' has only increased to 7 or 8.
I was already afraid of Cyril .........
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Hi Maggi, I thought I better keep to my New Year's resolution to post on the forum, at least in the winter months when it is a bit more quiet.
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Well Cyril,
you have a wealth of advice and experience that you can share here - and I have no doubt that there are many thousands who would be so grateful to hear it.
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Aye, C'mon Cyril .....some heavy posting is in order. The word "Newbie" under your name just doesn't look right!
Are those big showy reticulate irises at the Leslie roundabout still in flower?
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Yes, a great pleasure to have you join us Cyril. It seems crazy for me to say "Welcome' to you, to-something involving the SRGC, your name is synonymous with it after all. But welcome, never-the-less and I hope you stay around for a very long time. As Maggi says, "a wealth of advice and experience..." I felt privileged to meet you in Tabor, even so very briefly and thank Jiri for pulling you over that evening to talk about your daphnes to me.
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Crocus michelsonii ‘God’s Look’ from Janis Ruksans (2001), flowering in the greenhouse now. This crocus is always one of the first to flower, sometimes in December. C. michelsonii ‘Odyssey’ and C. michelsonii ‘Turkmenian Night’ (also from Janis) also ready to flower soon.
Haven't more them! All were lost in horrible winter! Happy that after last winter alive some michelsonii at all. They all were slow increasers but during many years stocks rose up to size allowing offering.
By the way, internet version of our new catalogue was opened for ordering few minutes ago - see http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/ (http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/)
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Crocus michelsonii ‘God’s Look’ from Janis Ruksans (2001), flowering in the greenhouse now. This crocus is always one of the first to flower, sometimes in December. C. michelsonii ‘Odyssey’ and C. michelsonii ‘Turkmenian Night’ (also from Janis) also ready to flower soon.
A wonderful Crocus Cyril ! Glad to see you here as well !!
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Thank you all for the welcome and encouragement to post, not sure about ‘heavy posting’ though.
Are those big showy reticulate irises at the Leslie roundabout still in flower?
Steve, the ‘Giant Irises’ at Leslie Roundabout are still here (perpetual flowering). It acts as a landmark at a major gateway into the town. Town artist Malcolm Robertson produced the "Giant Irises" sculpture as Glenrothes' contribution to the Glasgow Garden Festival in 1988, after which it was re-erected at Leslie Roundabout.
This attached picture (maybe this should be in the Iris thread!) was taken a few months ago, after the irises had a fresh coat of paint. There was scaffolding there for some time. I thought they were pollinating the flowers!!
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This is a wonderful sculpture. :) MAy we borrow it please for our NZIS Convention to be held in Dunedin in 2015? ;D
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Irises in flower don't take well to transplanting 'in the green'!
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C'mon Maestro -give us your secret compost recipe for these Iris! ;)
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Irises in flower don't take well to transplanting 'in the green'!
;D
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Crocus alatavicus that has more flowers to come...
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Crocus baytopiorum
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7384/11807576536_f3b8e8292d_o.jpg)
Crocus baytopiorum
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7336/11807235304_9578fe6637_o.jpg)
Crocus baytopiorum
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3675/11807575696_be72bd7894_o.jpg)
One of my favourite crocus, this beautiful species is a pale ice-blue in sunlight but on an overcast gloomy Scottish winter's day only the blue component of daylight seems to punch through the dark clouds. Paradoxically this transforms the plant into something magical!
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Beautiful, Steve. Lovely photos.
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That they are - but I am shocked at them being in flower so early - have you got them under some heat, Steve?
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No heat Maggie but they are in a greenhouse on a sloping site that gets the full mid-winter sun and is prone to warming up. It's not that early for baytopiorum is it?
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I think it is earlier than we would expect them to be out here, Steve - but since we lost them in the nasty freeze the other winter, I'm not able to give an up to date report. :'( :'(
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two Crcous biflorus in flower now the first is
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor a white form from Turkey Ulu dag
the second was identified as the normal blue form of the same species when I collected it in 1997 near Feithye some 500 miles away but has probably been named as a new species by now
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My baytopiorum (from AW's seed, that generous lady) flowers in New Zealand in mid July which is mid January for you in the north. Mine is in a trough, outdoors of course. July is our coldest month and usually is quite sunny but frosty. Lovely to see crocuses here at this totally crocus-free time of year, mid summer - but the wettest for many years so crocuses and other bulbs are already sending out roots. 32mm of rain yesterday and last night.
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Crocus alatavicus that has more flowers to come...
A close relative of Crocus michelsonii and another lovely early flowering crocus.
Steve, you have captured the blue in Crocus baytopiorum in the best possible light. Wonderful. The only snag is in this dull weather it tends to get floppy, although some forms are better than others. Here no sign of it flowering yet but the buds are showing.
the second was identified as the normal blue form of the same species when I collected it in 1997 near Feithye some 500 miles away but has probably been named as a new species by now
Is this now Crocus atrospermus (with an orange throat)? Janis will know.
Crocus michelsonii 'God's Look' now fully open.
Also C. michelsonii 'Odyssey'. Large flower but colour not exceptional.
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Cyril, C. michelsonii "God's look" is certainly a particularly attractive form to my eye, though there probably isn't a bad form of this classy crocus! ;)
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It seem that on Sunday will start so long delayed frost and for all January are offered at least minus 10 but in February below minus 20. So I hurried to bring in some crocus pots to make pollination and pictures. And some nice surprises came out. 2 years ago I together with Kees Jan visited Chios Island (Greece, near Turkish border). I went there to search for brown-blackish coloured stigmas in C. fleischeri and black anthered C. pallasii. In both succeed but they were only individuals between more abundant plants of traditional colour. I was there when crocuses were out of flowers, so collected some specimens at each stop on Island. Here some pictures of stock KJGR-034 which surprised me by brown stigma but even more by grey connective on anthers.
Janis
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I like those forms with dark striped petal's backs - so different from usual commercial stocks. On continental Turkey I observed pure white specimens, but on Chios all samples at present bloomed only with flowers more or less striped purple.
Janis
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In my crocus book I wrote that under name are Crocus chrysanthus are hided several species, but I'm too old to start serious research on this as it will need a lot of travel and research not more easy in nowadays Turkey. But some acquisitions from previous years I have. Just recently was published Turkish research on this topic with some interesting details, but the general level of article is so bad, that I could place it in rubbish box and I'm surprised that serious scientific journal published this. But I want repeat that seems that some of those newly described specimens could be real taxa. Key is absolutely unusable.
But I decided to make deeper observations on my collection of Crocus chrysanthus. The first which started to bloom now is sample from Ossa in Greek Macedonia.
Janis
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the second was identified as the normal blue form of the same species when I collected it in 1997 near Feithye some 500 miles away but has probably been named as a new species by now
Of course it isn't pulchricolor but it is impossible to recognise by picture. Identifying of biflorus group is very difficult and personally I want to wait when Erich Pasche & Co will publish key for those crocuses as they promissed in last publication.
Regarding proposed "atrospermus" - I identified mine atrospermus stocks only by seed colour - it must be black. Some labels were returned to "biflorus species" status after seeing dark reddish brown or purplish colour of seeds.
Janis
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Yesterday I wrote that there was publication about several new chrysanthus taxa described by Turkish botanists. Some years ago I travelled in Turkey together with some Turkish botanists looking for some very special crocuses. We visited N part of Uschak from where C. caelestis is described. We didn’t find it, but few days later it was found by other botanist just where we were – we were there few days too early. But everywhere was blooming C. chrysanthus and at one small spot (few sq. meters large) I collected some 5-6 corms of this beautiful species. Not with very special interest, but to have – wanted to compare with cultivar USCHAK ORANGE.
Now they started to bloom and I brought them inside to make some pictures on my working table and was quite surprised for great variability. Taking in account higher mentioned publication there were 3 (!) different taxa on few sq. meters. I really don’t know how to separate chrysanthus taxa without huge laboratory equipment... May be it is utopia. See 2 entries.
01 – bright yellow back of petals
02 – stipled back of petals
03 – bright red stigma, anthers pure yellow, throat purple
04 – the same 03
05 - the same 03 only flower opened
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The rest of C. chrysanthus pictures made today.
There will not be many pictures for today as I successfully fed my card-reader with good portion of coffee and it stopped to work. Fortunately computer and printer remained hungry and still are working. Tomorrow will buy new one card reader to download other pictures.
06-08 – stigma creamy, anthers with black beard, throat slightly purple shaded
09 – anthers and throat pure yellow, stigma red
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Janis - you should know by now coffee is only delicious to people! ;D ;D
What a fine plant hunter Ibrahim is - those are very beautiful crocus.
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Here I'm attaching pictures of one of newcomers - just described Crocus babadagensis. I was growing it for many years as "white punctatus", but with additional note "species nova". It comes from type collection.
Janis
P.S. Thank you, Maggi, for advise. I only wanted the best for my friend. I so like coffee... but I will not try to feed it with wine because I'm afraid that my lavishness will not be assesed.
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I can get very nearly as much pleasure from seeing the photos of these crocus as I would seeing them in real life- especially in dull wet days like this.
PS I am pleased you find my advice useful, Janis - and now I will recommend that you only share your wine with Guna ..... :D See how helpful I can be!!! ;D ;)
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I appreciate this, Maggi.
In this entry most likely the "most black" crocus seed by me at present - Crocus caricus quite recently described by Erich. This fantastic form was collected by Rik between C. nerimaniae and kindly presented to my following summer (we collected some corms long after blooming and Rik's specimen was the single caricus between nerimaniae. Later I was there in spring, but no one so "black"was seen.
Weather here is very dark. I'm bringing pots inside in warm room where flowers open and I'm making pictures under light of my reading lamp, when anthers open, I pollinate plants and bring them in cool room for 1-2 days and then back to greenhouse. Still left two warm days. After that will start frost and everything will be stopped. So many flowers still in greenhouse, but tomorrow I'm busy with social activities.
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Crocus hartmannianus is extremely rare endemic from Cyprus. I got some corms under this name from famous Crocus lover, but all specimens were with yellow anthers although they must be blackish. Of course between species with black colour in anthers plain yellow anthers you can find in most populations, but I wanted typical plants. And last autumn I got a pair of corms which now blooms with me. I hardly hope that they will survive coming colds.
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Fascinating to see these new taxa Janis, and so well photographed.
Your C. caricus clone is extraordinary, and the stippling C. babadagensis resemble C. alatavicus.
Thanks too for showing this variability in C. chrysanthus. I have a form which doesn't fit the usual description so will compare it to these when it opens over the next few days.
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All are beautiful - but these C. caricus are spell-binding
There is such variety in Crocus - a perfect genus to my eyes
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All are beautiful - but these C. caricus are spell-binding
There is such variety in Crocus - a perfect genus to my eyes
Hear hear !!
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This one looks as C. caricus although was collected quite far from Labranda stock (showed earlier). I was searching for C. yataganensis, but without success. This was collected at short stop returning from crazy road up (at top I found only nice form of C. chrysanthus) in late evening on small roadside meadow between two summerhouses. I stopped at drinking fountain and using occasion, looked a little around... Weather was frosty, plants and soil was frozen and only now (when they for the first time bloomed with me) was possible to name them as C. caricus.
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This beautiful crocus was described quite recently by Turkish botanist Osman Erol & Co but originally it was discovered much earlier and I got some seeds of "may be autumn blooming nubigena" - so early it was blooming that when was found - it was with almost mature seed capsules whilst other crocuses there were in flowers.
I collected one corm of it during search for Galanthus trojanus during trip together with galanthophile Colin. I'm not grower of snowdrops, so I was interested in other plants and there I saw the first C. candidus blooming in the wild. But between all others I collected one corm without flowers and with annulate tunics. It was collected only some 500 m from locus classicus of C. demirizianus so undoubtedly belongs to this species. Note the very long basal lobes of its anthers, very different from other "nubigenas". Other feature which you can't see now is very erect leaves.
In 2012 I again visited locality and collected some more corms, so after year or two will be possible to judge about its variability. I hope to blooming of seedlings later this spring or at least next year, too. C. demirizianus is one of real new species described by Turkish botanists.
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three more in flower at the moment
Crocus nevadensis in two forms
Crocus biflorus crewii
Crocus biflorus ssp
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This one is another crocus which we found searching for C. yataganensis. Most likely it is C. caricus, but name isn't checked. May be another from this group. Was collected after dramatic drive up by narrow dirty road to mountain top up to reaching snow. It was growing on stony meadow.
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I'm still picturing crocuses in my office under lamp light. This one I got from Jim Archibald as Č. rcrewei aff. buff seeds". I'm quite doubtfull about epithet "crerwei" but I still didn't tried to identify it. I don't know where it originally was collected but it is very nice.
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This one I collected as Crocus crewei. Stock is quite variable - there are plants with stipled (rare) and striped back of petals but all invariably has black anthers, Stock was collected near Denizli.
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Outside started snowing. May be I will bring inside few pots tomorrow but most likely those are last pictures from this "spring in mid-winter". In this case those are crocuses received as C. adamii from Christopher who collected them in Bulgaria, but true adamii is growing only in Eastern part of Caucasus together with some close species from Turkey and Iran. Bulgarian plants geographically is most close to C. adamioides but I still didn't compare both stocks.
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I find the crocus with the black anthers to be very beautiful but that Archibald "crewei" is amazing - the outer markings are fabulous and the richly coloured throat is a good counterpoint. Wonderful, Janis, you are delighting us with these!
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A truly amazing collection of mouth-watering crocuses!!!
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I agree, a fantastic show of early flowering crocus. I especially like the ones with black anthers.
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truly stunning, thanks all for sharing!
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Crocus biflorus ssp crewii,a speckled form similar to that shown by Janis
Crocus cyprius four different forms
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Crocus biflorus ssp crewii,a speckled form similar to that shown by Janis
Crocus cyprius four different forms
'small but perfectly formed ' comes to mind.....
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Crocus biflorus ssp crewii,a speckled form similar to that shown by Janis
Crocus cyprius four different forms
Great to see them like that Tony . Perfectly grown ....
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Crocus corsicus
Crocus korolkowii
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Crocus hartmannianus is extremely rare endemic from Cyprus. I got some corms under this name from famous Crocus lover, but all specimens were with yellow anthers although they must be blackish. Of course between species with black colour in anthers plain yellow anthers you can find in most populations, but I wanted typical plants. And last autumn I got a pair of corms which now blooms with me. I hardly hope that they will survive coming colds.
Here they are flowering to Janis. They have some blackish anthers to .
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Nice one kris
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Crocus biflorus ssp
Most likely Crocus simavensis.
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Crocus cyprius four different forms
Very nice C. cyprius. Mine stock is quite uniformly lilac. Never saw so white speciomens. Excellent!
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Using occasion of temperartures still slightly above zero I entered some more pots in house for pollination and made some pictures.
On this entry Crocus adamioides from Turkey in Europe.
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two pictures of slightly bluish form of Crocus babadagensis, It is quite unusual form. Typical plants I showed earlier and they are basically white. This one looks intermediate between punctatus and babadagensis, but closer to last.
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On this entry Crocus chrysanthus from near Gundogmus, most likely needs new species name by several features. At this locality all plants are with brownish shade on petals back and famous GUNDOGMUS BRONZE strain comes from same locality.
On last two pictures Crocus fibroannulatus from NE Turkey. That is type gathering - not very good pictures but it is not easy to make good pictures under table lamp light.
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This crocus I collected near Denizli at locality where is growing Crocus crewei. I suddenly spotted this creamy yellow plant with no marks on back of petals. It was early, rainy morning and flower were tightly closed. I marked it as Crocus chrysanthus creamy, but someone wrote me that Crocus chrysanthus isn't growing in vicinity.
Now this plant for the first time bloomed in Latvia and showed grey shade in colour of anthers. So I suppose that it could be extremely unusual form of C. crewei.
In addition one picture of Crocus nevadensis (good form but not good picture).
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This beautiful crocus I got from Jim Archibald under name Crocus nubigena as collected at Goktepe, but nubigena isn't distributed so far to east. Putting on map localities of my Turkish crocuses and comparing pictures I came to conclusion that it is Crocus taselianus, first corms of which I collected during my second trip to Turkey and then named as sp. nova isauricus affinitas (new species similar to isauricus). What is real isauricus still remain mystery, but this one later was described by Erich & Co as C. taseliensis (by Taseli Yaila). This enlarges area of this beautiful crocus something to west.
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Janis, more mouth-watering crocus. Crocus taseliensis is something special.
Crocus graveolens RIGA-115 (again from Janis), flowering now.
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Brought my C. graveolens indoors for pollination. The stink is really something :-X
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Now definitely last pictures from this "spring in winter". Outside is minus 6 C and in afternoon, when I hope that temperature will rise a little I will bring my crocus pots back to greenhouse. In second half of week is offered even minus 18 so on Wednesday I will cover all pots with my traditional glass-wool sheets. Yesterday all the day worked bringing them from shed to polytunnels.
But from pictures this case one picture of Crocus taseliensis collected by myself more to East from locality of Jim Archibald's so named "nubigena" which I showed you in my previous entry.
And last three pictures are from Crocus artvinensis (I think it was collected inside city line, where it was growing in some park-like structure).
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Lots of extremely attractive crocus.
The number of taxa included in Crocus seems to be increasing at an alarming rate. I foresee the time when there will be as many taxa as there are individual plants. One of the traditional theoretical problems with 'Linnaean' taxonomy which can only be avoided if one makes use of 'essential' rather than 'accidental' characteristics - which in itself raises major problems.
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Janis , you grow so many newly described species and attractive forms . Thank you for sharing them with us , otherwise we would not have the pleasure to see them .
and thanks Kris for showing C. hartmannianus , of which I have never seen a photo .
cheers from hot Melbourne - 43 C .
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Beautiful pictures Janis, Tony, Yann, Kris and many others.
A general view from Crocus in the rock garden today:
- C. korolkowii
- C. korolkowii / C. imperati
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Beautiful pictures Janis, Tony, Yann, Kris and many others.
A general view from Crocus in the rock garden today:
- C. korolkowii
- C. korolkowii / C. imperati
Looks very natural Freddy. It looks like a piece of the Caucasus is settled in your garden .....
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and thanks Kris for showing C. hartmannianus , of which I have never seen a photo .
cheers from hot Melbourne - 43 C .
It was a pleasure Otto . 43 degrees , that is very hot .......Never get temperatures like that here in Belgium.
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Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena .
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Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena again .........
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Crocus michelsonii .
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Beautiful crocus Kris.
Crocus michelsonii 'Turkmenian Night', a dark flowered selection.
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The best doer among my Crocus michelsonii clones is an unnamed one given to me by Steve Garvie in 1994 (Thanks Steve). Here it is flowering a few years ago. Neglect (lack of regular repotting) reduced its numbers but it is bulking up again.
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Jings Cyril, that seems like a century ago ........in fact it was! :o
My own stock cooked some years ago in the great Garvie greenhouse drought. Makes me weep when I think of all the good plants I have managed to kill. I think the RHS still have me blacklisted as a horticultural terrorist! ???
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The best doer among my Crocus michelsonii clones is an unnamed one given to me by Steve Garvie in 1994 (Thanks Steve). Here it is flowering a few years ago. Neglect (lack of regular repotting) reduced its numbers but it is bulking up again.
:o :o :o Indeed very floriferous Cyril. Stunning plant !
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Amazing potfuls Cyril ! :o :o
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Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena is a stunning one
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Very nice pictures in last entries. Greetings to all growers!
Few days ago I wrote that it is my last entry in January, but today I brought in one more pot. Last night we had minus 12 C. In polytunnels temperature dropped to minus 7 C, so today I started covering my pots and boxes in greenhouse. Fields are covered with thin layer of snow, but it gives some protection and I hope that plants will alive.
The pot which I brought in belongs to new taxa described by Turkish botanists. Botanically this publication is real rubbish, but some plants most likely belong to taxa which must be separated from C. chrysanthus. The plant on pictures was named as subsp. kesercioglui, although was collected by me in some distance from locus classicus. and several features in original description looks incorrect.
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:o :o :o What a fascinating chrysanthus relative, Janis :o :o :o
How many years do we have to wait until this living gems will be put on your bulb list? ;) ;D
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Superb, Janis!
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:o :o :o What a fascinating chrysanthus relative, Janis :o :o :o
How many years do we have to wait until this living gems will be put on your bulb list? ;) ;D
I never collect large numbers. From this last one yellow (kesercioglui) I collected only one corm (it was out of flowers and collected as ordinar chrysanthus only for sample from locality) and now I have 5 plants, another corm (now I have 3) of most likely the same taxa I got from David Stephens who got it from Norman Stevens (he travelled in Turkey many years ago) - both were collected not far one from other, so I cross-pollinated them and now I have one pot with seedlings. I don't remember how many of this other plant I have. Seedlings must come out true. Will see how great will be splitting when they will start blooming. The flower size in both samples are smaller than traditionally in chrysanthus. So I suppose that it may be could appear for wider distribution after 2-3 years, if all will go normally.
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The plant on pictures was named as subsp. kesercioglui, although was collected by me in some distance from locus classicus. and several features in original description looks incorrect.
Janis, another stunning crocus with black anthers. Hope the seedlings some true.
Crocus chrysanthus 'Sunspot' flowering now is such a contrast by comparison. I wonder whether if you cross the two, you might end up with a C. chrisanthus with black stigma and anthers!
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Dear Cyril, Thank you for advice. I tried this cros, unfortunately they both are different genetically and I got no one seed.
Unfortunately I lost my first stock of SUNSPOT. I suppose I got it infected with something like Fusarium or something else and it died in second season. Then I baught new stock - and it turned virus infected (source was the same). You can see flower from infected plant on the first picture. Liking so much this beauty I replaced it out of Crocus greenhouse to quarantine and self-pollinated it. Surprisingly, but I got a lot of seeds. Seedlings started to bloom last spring and here you can see variability, but only 2 were with black stigma (it is first blooming and still I have some hundred seedlings which were too small for flowering. It is the first flowering, so flowers were quite small and I hope they will improve.
But further story on next entry.
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During one of my Turkish trips not far from Akseki I was sitting in mountains at drinking fountain for short coffee-break. It was just on border of asphalted road. And then I accidentally spotted it. Very small flower which pushed itself through asphalt and catching sunshine opened its flowers. I was shocked - specimen was with black stigma. All the first half of day I passed there searching for such, and here it was - prisoned by stone chips and asphalt. I took out my Swiss knife and started to break pavement to free this beauty. It took almost an hour as in archaeological researches. Small pitch of black tarmac and stone chip one by other were taken off up to corm. I tried to open some roots, but it was impossible. How this plant alive - it is miracle. No car, no foot passer stepped on it. Certainly it waited for my coming. In second season with me it bloomed for the first time in the greenhouse.
At same locality, only earlier on same day I found two specimens with black connectives and one with black anthers. It is locality where met two crocuses - yellow flowered Crocus chrysanthus sensu lato and another blue one, presently named as isauricus, but real isauricus is described from district far from Akseki. By its author E. A. Bowles true isauricus comes from Icel province and it seems that there it borders with C. taseliensis. But back to Akseki. At this locality both crocuses (yellow and blue-one) freely hybridize and makes fertile progeny. I suppose that those specimens with black in anthers most likely are hybrids between both.
So absolutely naturally was that I tried to hybridize both forms - with black stigma and with black anthers. Last spring was first blooming and one seedling really was close to my dreams. Of course - still not perfect, but it was first blooming and still could be improved in second generation by back-crossing with parent plants.
I crossed SUNSPOT with those black anthered specimens from Akseki vicinity, too. And got seeds in such way confirming my opinion that SUNSPOT came from this district, but seedlings still are too young and not bloomed yet. Last autumn I destroyed my stock of infected SUNSPOT, corms were small and not worth to keep them longer. May be sometimes I again will receive from somewhere healthy corms of SUNSPOT. I would like to grow it, as it is real beauty. All my hybrids has brown feathered back of petals it such way indirectly confirming my opinion that they initially came from wild hybrids between yellow and blue crocus.
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This is realy very interesting Janis ! I was there in march 2013 and have some wonderful pictures from this area. Maybe I have to post them in a separate topic ....
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This is realy very interesting Janis ! I was there in march 2013 and have some wonderful pictures from this area. Maybe I have to post them in a separate topic ....
Yes please!!!
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I just checked my trip pictures and found this one saved crocus with black stigma pictured just after taking out of asphalt. Would be very nice to see how looked crocuses there last year. When I tried to revisit locality in 2013, it was under 1 m deep snow and road was crossed by recent avalanche. So I'm waiting for your entry, Kris.
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Janis, thank you for telling us about the results of your experiments. It seems possible your dream will come true, a chrysanthus with black stigma and anthers. Amazing how the one with black stigma survived and even flowered out of asphalt!
I have not noticed any signs of virus on my C. chrysanthus 'Sunspot' but will keep a close eye on it and if corms look healthy in summer ....
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Yes please!!!
So I'm waiting for your entry, Kris.
Ok you win !
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Janis, thank you for telling us about the results of your experiments. It seems possible your dream will come true, a chrysanthus with black stigma and anthers. Amazing how the one with black stigma survived and even flowered out of asphalt!
I have not noticed any signs of virus on my C. chrysanthus 'Sunspot' but will keep a close eye on it and if corms look healthy in summer ....
Many thanks, Cyril... I will be very pleased!
As you can see - on hybrid stigma is divided and not shining black. This spring I hope to see how will look other seedlings of this cross and will it be possible to get next generation from backcrossing. Another target - get seedling with pure yellow petals and black anthers and stigma. Of course - good vegetative increasing is important, too. That I will see in coming years.
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My favourite Crocus of all - C. cvijicii - a shame about the focus problems...
Alex
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My favourite Crocus of all - C. cvijicii - a shame about the focus problems...
Alex
I can understand Alex ....maybe only scardicus can beat such beautiful Crocus ........
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Crocus in flower in my frames now, too early due to mild winter. I kept them fairly dry in December which retards growth a bit but watered a week ago as there is no sign of freezing weather and the mild air brings more growth.
Crocus chrysanthus with bronze stippling David Stephens cols
Crocus (biflorus) punctatus ex Gothenburg BG
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Crocus in flower in my frames now, too early due to mild winter. I kept them fairly dry in December which retards growth a bit but watered a week ago as there is no sign of freezing weather and the mild air brings more growth.
Crocus chrysanthus with bronze stippling David Stephens cols
Crocus (biflorus) punctatus ex Gothenburg BG
Crocus pictured under name punctatus from Gothenburg now has own name - it is Crocus babadagensis. The sample grown in Gothenburg under number HKEP 9708 is the same as used for type of this new species by Kamerlander & Co. Those who got it from me under name punctatus and has plants with white base colour rename them, please, as babadagensis. Those who has plants with blue base colour - keep the name "punctatus"on your labels. Sorry, the name was changed only this winter (in December). When I despatched corms both colour variants still were regarded as same species, although they were collected from uniformly coloured populations situated in some distance in wild. DNA confirmed that they are different. By the way - I didn't succeed to get hybrids between both. All attempts to pollinate white with blue and back gave no one seed in such way confirming that both are different.
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Some more open today
Crocus sieberi
Crocus chrysanthus a speckled one similar to that shown by Janis
Crocus baytopiorum
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri
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LOVE that biflorus alexandri.
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Some more open today
Crocus sieberi
Crocus chrysanthus a speckled one similar to that shown by Janis
Crocus baytopiorum
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri
Nice plants Tony. My baytopiorum is very etiolated :(
A couple from me C siehanus a second flower. This plant is very slow to increase here. Also C sieberi Bowles White just starting in the garden
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Some more open today
Crocus sieberi
Crocus chrysanthus a speckled one similar to that shown by Janis
Crocus baytopiorum
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri
Beautiful as ever Tony ! How do you manage to have only smal and few leaves and very low flowerstalks ? I like the way you grow your plants ! It looks very natural .
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Nice plants Tony. My baytopiorum is very etiolated :(
A couple from me C siehanus a second flower. This plant is very slow to increase here. Also C sieberi Bowles White just starting in the garden
The same here with baytopiorum Ian ....This species in particular is subject to this ....
Don't know how to avoid this ?
Nice sieheanus , this is stil rare in cultivation here ....
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Nice plants Tony. My baytopiorum is very etiolated :( ..........
I disposed of C. baytopiorum some years ago. It was always etiolated, flopped & looked miserable.
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I disposed of C. baytopiorum some years ago. It was always etiolated, flopped & looked miserable.
I've too many trees and I became so fed up with some of plants being etiolated through lack of light that last week I bought and installed some growlights. These are meant to simulate daylight. It's too late for the baytopiorum but the narcissus and other crocus seem to be responding.
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The same here with baytopiorum Ian ....This species in particular is subject to this ....
Don't know how to avoid this ?
Nice sieheanus , this is stil rare in cultivation here ....
Hi Chris siehanus will probably stay rare here to as I have had the plant for 5 years or so and I can't get it to multiply at all. Am trying to get seed but I am not hopeful.
Baytopiorum is difficult and maybe it is just the amount of sunlight. I have several clones as I have raised a few from Crocus group seed and also have some from a generous forum friend but most growers seem to complain about this plant. Also I am wondering if there are other factors at work here such as the amount of moisture?
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I can't agree that C. baytopiorum is difficult. My first plants came from Gothenburg and I grew it in open garden. It really shocked me by its very unusual colour and every spring I went to my crocus beds with trembling heart - did my beauty alive in passed winter, and always it greated me from distance just by its unusual colour. Later, during LST trip I collected near Denizli thinking that it is C. cancellatus and was very pleasantly surprised in spring when it flowered in my greenhouse following spring by even more exciting shade of blue. Next time I met with it in Turkey during TULA expedition where it grow almost side by side with Crocus beydaglarensis - this case on not very stable stone slip but there it was in some shade coming out from stones. Slope there was shaded by large trees and also it was not easy to walk for sliding stones, there were some shrubs between them showing that stone slip is partly stabilized. I was there at blooming time and saw that flower colour can be quite variable but always keeping its unusual greenish blue shade making it so different from other crocuses. C. baytopiorum undoubtedly belongs to my favourites. I'm writing fromm home, so can't add pictures, may be later today when I will be in office. Outside is minus 18 and I don't want to step out...
Janis
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Now I'm in office so I can show you some pictures of C. baytopiorum from wild (TULA) and two stocks fromm my collection - one I got from Gothenburg, another comes from LST expedition.
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Only recently checking flower details by pictures and corm tunics by my dry crocus corm tunic collection and comparing them with original description I found that I for several years am growing one very beautiful crocus named by famous George Maw - Crocus mawii. My plants come from neighbour ridge at some 50-70 km distance from locus classicus. On one picture you can see it growing in wild and on other two - in my collection. One picture show you its variability. Pictures (garden) of course are from previous spring.
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Beautiful as ever Tony ! How do you manage to have only smal and few leaves and very low flowerstalks ? I like the way you grow your plants ! It looks very natural .
Kris
I do not have any special method,I water in September and then leave them to get on with growing. my autumn ones are usually a failure due to lack of light but a sunny day in January moves the spring ones along rapidly As to C. baytopiorum this is the first year it has not grown leggy and flopped over without opening.
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Now I'm in office so I can show you some pictures of C. baytopiorum from wild (TULA) and two stocks fromm my collection - one I got from Gothenburg, another comes from LST expedition.
On checking my labels and lists I find that one of my pots of baytopiorum was raised from Gothenberg seed. Whether it is light temperature or moisture that makes the difference and easy for you I don't know all I do know is that as of now I can't manage to keep it compact
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We have problems with etiolation with many bulbs in our glasshouses - partly this can be explained by the low light levels here, partly by the fact that the glass is often filthy (!!) and partly, I thin, that we seldom have electric fans running in them nowadays. In the past I believe that a vigorous agitation of the air in the houses by the fans were a factor in keeping plants "neater".
Air disturbance - or even a few moments running your hands over growing foliage every day - is thought to help strengthen growth and prevent weakness and etiolation - I cannot remember where we first learned this- but perhaps someone else can give a link to a source?
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We have problems with etiolation with many bulbs in our glasshouses - partly this can be explained by the low light levels here, partly by the fact that the glass is often filthy (!!) and partly, I thin, that we seldom have electric fans running in them nowadays. In the past I believe that a vigorous agitation of the air in the houses by the fans were a factor in keeping plants "neater".
Air disturbance - or even a few moments running your hands over growing foliage every day - is thought to help strengthen growth and prevent weakness and etiolation - I cannot remember where we first learned this- but perhaps someone else can give a link to a source?
Maggi you may well have identified another important factor here. All I can say is that with lights and fans on in the greenhouse I will have to consider reducing the house heating to keep the electricity bills down ;)
Probably the fact that our bulbs are far from home and in an unnatural environment has a lot to do with it. Mediterranean winter light (more daylight in the winter) and fresh air might improve them all
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May be I have more light here, but I rarely met with too excessive growing or etiolation. My polytunnels are not new and polyethylene has some dirt on it, so light ammount is reduced. And polyethylene is less transparent than glass. I think that most important is temperature. All windows and doors are fully open in the season to keep temperature down. I'm not using fans. Plants look quite well.
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Many thanks for your comments Janis, Maggi , Ian, Tony and Gery .
Very interesting to discus ..........
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We have rather unpredictable winters lately - when we have a real one, everything is alright - no etiolation. When Croci flower in January then quite a lot of problems. So I think it is a light problem: few hours of very low light in January, much better conditions in March.
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Janis
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I have also problems with C. baytopiorum. I have lots of light, rain, very little snow. They were in open corner of garden and no shrubs around. They start to flower very early in December. The leaves start to yellowish just at the end of march and in first year I lost 3 from 5 corm. I think this crocus does not like much watering. This might be reason why it is close to sativus group by phylogeny.
ibrahim
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I have also problems with C. baytopiorum. I have lots of light, rain, very little snow. They were in open corner of garden and no shrubs around. They start to flower very early in December. The leaves start to yellowish just at the end of march and in first year I lost 3 from 5 corm. I think this crocus does not like much watering. This might be reason why it is close to sativus group by phylogeny.
ibrahim
Many thanks Ibrahim . Good to hear about your experience ! So we can learn and try to do better each time .It is amazing that they cause some problems in the country of origin to .But ofcourse you live in a large country .
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Interesting discussion about how C. baytopiorum and other plants behave in different gardens. Cold, bright days certainly help but I think some clones are naturally more compact than others and also later flowering clones benefit from more light.
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Interesting discussion about how C. baytopiorum and other plants behave in different gardens. Cold, bright days certainly help but I think some clones are naturally more compact than others and also later flowering clones benefit from more light.
Again this is an interesting remark Cyril .
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Growing in the greenhouse currently:
I think Crocus chrysanthus, but would welcome confirmation.
Crocus alatavicus - delighted to see this appear. Has proved difficult in the past,
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Growing in the greenhouse currently:
I think Crocus chrysanthus, but would welcome confirmation.
Crocus alatavicus - delighted to see this appear. Has proved difficult in the past,
Yes, I think Crocus chrysanthus too. (Although perhaps in future years we will have several names for the subtly different forms that we grow :-\)
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Again this is an interesting remark Cyril .
Since it takes a year to test any of the theories on growing this beauty the experiences shared here are really useful to me and what I think is a great about the forum. I think that although light may be a factor it cannot be the whole story particularly as Janis's plant probably gets less winter daylight than many of the rest of us. Mathew states this as growing at 1300 to 2700m altitude so it probably won't mind it cold. Next year I intend to grow baytopiorum much harder probably in an open frame so we shall see
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As I wrote earlier I'm very common with C. baytopiorum for around 20 years. It perfectly grew outside with me and I suppose that Ibrahim's problems mostly are caused by different climate. Ibrahim's garden is located near Black Sea at much lower altitude and I suppose that there rarely are such frosts as here and it starts growing too early. In its homeland winters are quite hard. In nature it is early runner to use spring moisture as summers there are very hot and dry - just opposite to our conditions. In W Europe it starts growing too early when days still are dark. This winter with me it went under cower with well coloured buds. Last night we had coldest night - minus 20 C, but it still is nothing special. I hope that cold will stop development and will not kill flowers and plants.
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As I wrote earlier I'm very common with C. baytopiorum for around 20 years. It perfectly grew outside with me and I suppose that Ibrahim's problems mostly are caused by different climate. Ibrahim's garden is located near Black Sea at much lower altitude and I suppose that there rarely are such frosts as here and it starts growing too early. In its homeland winters are quite hard. In nature it is early runner to use spring moisture as summers there are very hot and dry - just opposite to our conditions. In W Europe it starts growing too early when days still are dark. This winter with me it went under cower with well coloured buds. Last night we had coldest night - minus 20 C, but it still is nothing special. I hope that cold will stop development and will not kill flowers and plants.
Thank you, Janis. Your advices are good help. I've never had 'flopping' problem fortunately but I'm concerning my baytopiorum, too. Mine bulbs from you (of course excellent quality at that time) divide by itself into smaller bulblets year by year. I use to growing this crocus at the mildest place on my outside bench called as VIP area from October to the end of its growing season. I’ll reserve its special seat in chilliest and shaded area next season ;D
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Crocus abantensis JJA339.609
This is the first flower from seeds, sown on 13/10/2009 :) :) :)
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Very nice and good looking C. abantensis, Tatsuo. Crocus abantensis I think is the single species which completely don't like growing in greenhouse! I can't grow up so good quality corms of C. abantensis as I would like regardless of regular watering and fertilising in greenhouse. It far better grow in outside garden, but... nothing is perfect. Unfortunately I com0pletely lost my outside grown stock in winter something similar as this one - very mild up to end of January with following hard black frost for two weeks in February. It was perfectly growing and selfsowing everywhere in garden even becoming weed up to this fatal season when left only small stocks in greenhouse pots + seedlings. So I'm not risking more. I only try to bring out all pots as early only possible in spring because this high mountain species from NW Turkey don't like high temperatures of greenhouse.
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Thank you, Janis. Your advices are good help. I've never had 'flopping' problem fortunately but I'm concerning my baytopiorum, too. Mine bulbs from you (of course excellent quality at that time) divide by itself into smaller bulblets year by year. I use to growing this crocus at the mildest place on my outside bench called as VIP area from October to the end of its growing season. I’ll reserve its special seat in chilliest and shaded area next season ;D
You may have problems growing baytopiorum, YT, but this is the best grown specimen I have ever seen !!! Congratulations !
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Thank you, Janis :) Then, the hot summer could be a problem at my place :(
Luc, thank you :) but that foto was taken last season. The bulbs have divided into smaller bulblets now :( but I'll see that beautiful flowers soon again ;)
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Crocus 'Sunspot', today :) :) :)
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Crocus 'Sunspot', today :) :) :)
:o :o :o :o :o
So stunning YT !
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A new addition to my collection - Crocus danfordiae - thank you Tony W
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YT, we are all envious of your wonderful compact plants. The narcissus you sent me have buds. It will be interesting to see how tall they are grown in the UK.
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YT, we are all envious of your wonderful compact plants. The narcissus you sent me have buds. It will be interesting to see how tall they are grown in the UK.
Thank you, Anne :) The only thing is 'latitude', isn't it? ;) I'm looking forward to see the result on the narcissus thread :D
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A new addition to my collection - Crocus danfordiae - thank you Tony W
And a nice one it is, Arthur, I like the soft colours !
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YT beautiful crocus,a delight to see.
My first Crocus pelistericus and
Crocus x gothenburgensis in flower,this is almost like a pure scardicus
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YT beautiful crocus,a delight to see.
My first Crocus pelistericus and
Crocus x gothenburgensis in flower,this is almost like a pure scardicus
:o :o :o This are two extreme beautys Tony and perfectly grown .
Here no sign of pelistericus yet (outside)
Don't grow Crocus x gothenburgensis yet .
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Two superb crocus Tony, perfectly grown as Kris says!!!
How do you manage them through the summer?
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How do you manage them through the summer?
Steve they are in clay pots and sit in a north facing open sand plunge where they are kept wet by the daily rain that occurs all summer in Chorley.They never dry out and the leaves usually die down in late September when the new growths are just visible. I do cover them in winter when we have days of incessant rain but try and take the cover off when ever possible.
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Beautiful crocus from all. There must be a lot more winter sun in Japan than in UK.
Crocus x gothenburgensis in flower,this is almost like a pure scardicus
Tony, does your C. x gothenburgensis flower regularly? It does look very similar to C. scardicus. My C. scardicus flowers erratically, maybe once every 3 years.
Two flowering now:
Ccocus aerius (first time flowering). I have 3 plants, the other two will flower later and look more compact so far.
Crocus kerndorffiorum (my own seeds from plants ex. J Archibald seeds)
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Thanks Tony!
I think I might possibly be able to supply the summer rain. ;-)
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Cyril
I raised the C. gothenburgensis from my own seed obtained by crossing my C. pelistericus and C.scardicus both ways. Since reaching flowering size both them and the parents flower every year and I am now working on the f2 cross. My climate seems ideally suited to them.
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YT beautiful crocus,a delight to see.
My first Crocus pelistericus and
Crocus x gothenburgensis in flower,this is almost like a pure scardicus
Thank you, Tony :) Your F2 seedlings of x gothenburgensis sounds very exciting!
Beautiful crocus from all. There must be a lot more winter sun in Japan than in UK.
Yes, Cyril :) But summer at my place is far more heat than the UK, so I cannot grow crocuses require cool and moist summer :(
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Cyril
I raised the C. gothenburgensis from my own seed obtained by crossing my C. pelistericus and C.scardicus both ways. Since reaching flowering size both them and the parents flower every year and I am now working on the f2 cross. My climate seems ideally suited to them.
Truly impressive, Tony !!
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A new addition to my collection - Crocus danfordiae - thank you Tony W
If your picture is correct and I well understand colours on it, correct name of this one is Crocus minutus. My greetings!
Janis
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YT beautiful crocus,a delight to see.
My first Crocus pelistericus and
Crocus x gothenburgensis in flower,this is almost like a pure scardicus
Sorry, correct spelling Crocus x gotoburgensis.
Usually F-2 of this cross has fantastical colours!
Janis
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Now I'm attaching shocking picture. It is not mine and I hardly hope that it isn't photoshop joke. I got it today from my correspondent from Kazakhstan, who pictured it in wild. There are name Crocus alatavicus attached, but in any case for genus crocus it is incredible colour.
Pity that C. alatavicus is very slow increaser and not the best grower in cultivation. There were few incredibly coloured selections made by Czech, but all were lost during years just due difficulties in increasing and keeping. But this one surpass everything ever seen.
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A beautiful Crocus indeed Janis!!!
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I see that in the IRG it is spelt the same way as I have it and I have a picture of the label on the f2 hybrid which is spelt gothoburgensis. Also in his post in 2008 Luc uses gothenburgensis for a corydalis. Interesting to know what is correct.
Two more in flower
Crocus sieberi from Mt Ida Crete
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor x Crocus chrysanthus , a natural hybrid from Ulu Dag in Turkey
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I think it was described as gotoburgensis - Crocus × gotoburgensis R.Rolfe - keeping the (almost) Swedish name - but it is true that we have used x gothenburgensis in the IRG and it appears quite often - arising, I suspect from the carelessness and dare I say arrogance, of those of us English speakers to mould things to our own preferences!
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa
Edit :
Indeed, in the AGS bulletin of June 200, on page 230 there is Robert's description of the plant - clearly x gotoburgensis - I will be making a note in the IRG index.
(edit to fix typos! :-[ )
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Copy from Kew checklist:
Crocus × gotoburgensis R.Rolfe, Quart. Bull. Alpine Gard. Soc. Gr. Brit. 68: 230 (2000)
- so it is officially used form. By myself I'm sometimes automatically writing wrongly, too, but official and single form to use is just this.
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Maggi and Janis thank you for clearing this up.
certainly not arrogance on my part!
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If your picture is correct and I well understand colours on it, correct name of this one is Crocus minutus. My greetings!
Janis
Janis
Thanks for the clarification - I missed this new Crocus when it was described. Is there a classic location?
Hope you are well and weather not too troubling.
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Crocus minutus was described by Kerndorff & Pasche from three mountain ridges N and W from Antalya, I collected it on 4th ridge, next in East direction. Before reading the paper with its description I didn't see the white stigma in two of my gatherings, later I got one more acquisition from Gothenburg. Only after publication of new taxa I checked stigma colour of all blue flowering acquisitions of stocks named as danfordiae and was pleasantly surprised finding new taxa.
Weather still is very cold but in greenhouses temperature didn't fall below minus 15, in daylight it was around 0 to minus 2, so I hope that at present all will be OK. In February are offered up to +8 - it would be more dangerous as in March can return hard frosts.
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My Crocus aerius has opened up and looks different from your's Cyril.
Prior to christmas Pippin, my wife's moggie was sleeping in the bulb frame and knocked out some labels so my plant may be something else!
(Images taken in poor light this afternoon -it is more bluish than dark lilac in sunlight)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2819/12194161413_e3db729053_z_d.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7394/12193905035_407b734cda_b_d.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5520/12194162473_4ee995488d_z_d.jpg)
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Cyril
I raised the C. gothenburgensis from my own seed obtained by crossing my C. pelistericus and C.scardicus both ways. Since reaching flowering size both them and the parents flower every year and I am now working on the f2 cross. My climate seems ideally suited to them.
Thanks Tony. Your damp climate is useful after all. C. scardicus is perhaps one of my favourite crocus if only it would oblige. I look forward to seeing the f2 results.
Steve, I think your Crocus aerius is correct, maybe Janis can confirm. I was expecting something similar in mine with the attractive stripes. Maybe my other two plants will turn out different. I got mine from Janis. It must be quite variable.
Tatsuo, I can see that with your climate, Crocus pelistericus for example, might be difficult to grow in the summer heat. I suppose no climate will be ideal for all crocus!
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Now I'm attaching shocking picture. It is not mine and I hardly hope that it isn't photoshop joke. I got it today from my correspondent from Kazakhstan, who pictured it in wild. There are name Crocus alatavicus attached, but in any case for genus crocus it is incredible colour.
Pity that C. alatavicus is very slow increaser and not the best grower in cultivation. There were few incredibly coloured selections made by Czech, but all were lost during years just due difficulties in increasing and keeping. But this one surpass everything ever seen.
Absolutely unbelievable Janis. I cannot believe my eyes! :o
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Absolutely unbelievable Janis. I cannot believe my eyes! :o
I, too!
Janis
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Now I'm attaching shocking picture. It is not mine and I hardly hope that it isn't photoshop joke. I got it today from my correspondent from Kazakhstan, who pictured it in wild. There are name Crocus alatavicus attached, but in any case for genus crocus it is incredible colour.
Pity that C. alatavicus is very slow increaser and not the best grower in cultivation. There were few incredibly coloured selections made by Czech, but all were lost during years just due difficulties in increasing and keeping. But this one surpass everything ever seen.
:o :o :o :o unbelievable !!
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My Crocus aerius has opened up and looks different from your's Cyril.
From outside it didn't look as aerius, inside - so, so... I leave to make decision by yourself. Variability is so great for to show you it I selected 9 pictures of Crocus aerius made by me in wild and one from my collection. Of course not from this spring. By the way - it is not the earliest of annulate crocuses to bloom. But it only confirms how difficult is job done by Helmut Kerndorff and Erich Pasche researching crocuses of this group. They allways accented that it is almost impossible to identificate crocuses by pictures.
To show those pictures two entries are needed.
Janis
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Some more of C. aerius, the last from my collection.
Janis
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From outside it didn't look as aerius, inside - so, so... I leave to make decision by yourself. Variability is so great for to show you it I selected 9 pictures of Crocus aerius made by me in wild and one from my collection. Of course not from this spring. By the way - it is not the earliest of annulate crocuses to bloom. But it only confirms how difficult is job done by Helmut Kerndorff and Erich Pasche researching crocuses of this group. They allways accented that it is almost impossible to identificate crocuses by pictures.
To show those pictures two entries are needed.
Janis
Wow!!!
Amazing variation in this crocus, some with very attractive flowers!
I think mine falls within the variation of this species.
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I did not know there is such great variation in Crocus aerius. This is where the appearance of the bulbs tunics come useful. I like the ones with many stripes.
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Wow!!!
Amazing variation in this crocus, some with very attractive flowers!
I think mine falls within the variation of this species.
I'm still afraid that it is not true. Flower segments are too narrow and lacking of very characteristic sharply defined dark blotch on petals outside base which is present in all colour variants from white to deep purple raise great doubt. Under name of aerius is quite often distributed other species and some hybrids. Certainly you must check corm tunics at replanting.
Janis
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I'm still afraid that it is not true. Flower segments are too narrow and lacking of very characteristic sharply defined dark blotch on petals outside base which is present in all colour variants from white to deep purple raise great doubt. Under name of aerius is quite often distributed other species and some hybrids. Certainly you must check corm tunics at replanting.
Janis
Janis,
What should I look for in the corms when re-planting?
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Janis,
What should I look for in the corms when re-planting?
Although Crocus aerius by system of B. Mathew belongs to biflorus group its tunics are without basal rings and split in fibers as you can see on attached picture.
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Although Crocus aerius by system of B. Mathew belongs to biflorus group its tunics are without basal rings and split in fibers as you can see on attached picture.
Many thanks!
I will bookmark this and then check once the corms go dormant.
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Somewhat late sending the photo of C. minimus. A little surprised, I discovered a flower on January 12. I took the photo today. I have my crocuses in the pots throughout this winter outside, because it is unseasonably warm weather. The minimum temperatures were between -3.5 and 6 degrees C. (data from my own thermometer) from November 29 to January 11. It was freezing only 13 days in this period, mostly at night. Unfortunately, it's also a little sunshine, so the flower was opened only one day.
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Rather lanky Crocus dalmaticus (such poor light in January) showing variously marked purple and creamy outer petals.
Crocus leichtlinii grown from J Archibald seeds, JJA 347501. The flowers seem smaller than in previous years but of several seedlings this one has flowers of a better blue.
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Crocus biflorus pseudonubigena, collected 25 km W of Gazientep. I would have liked it better if the anthers were more black.
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Nice Cyril - I've added the Crocus leichtlinii JJA 347501 to the Archibald pages.
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Thanks Maggi.
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Crocus leichtlinii grown from J Archibald seeds, JJA 347501.
A beautiful plant Cyril. Very satisfying to see something so gorgeous from seed you've sown.
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Very interesting plants and discussions ! Very useful.
Yes Cyril , I go for the black anthers to .....
1/ Here my biflorus ssp. nubigena (from Janis) keep going. It is already the third time he start to flower this month ! And new flowers (the fourth time) are ready to take over.
2/ The Samos clone is new here and it is his first year flowering.
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Rather lanky Crocus dalmaticus (such poor light in January) showing variously marked purple and creamy outer petals.
Same problem here with C. hittiticus and baytopiorum Cyril . C. fleisheri is also stil in flower.
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.......... It is already the third time he start to flower this month ! And new flowers (the fourth time) are ready to take over.
This is one of the things that attracts me to Crocus- the number of flowers you get over a period - I may be greedy, but I LOVE that!
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This is one of the things that attracts me to Crocus- the number of flowers you get over a period - I may be greedy, but I LOVE that!
Don't we all Maggi... don't we all !! :D
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This is one of the things that attracts me to Crocus- the number of flowers you get over a period - I may be greedy, but I LOVE that!
Yes Maggi, very true! This is the same Crocus graveolens RIGA 115 now, 27 days after I posted the picture of the first flower (Reply 67, Crocus Jan 2014), with so many more flowers, and all this from one bulb only.
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Two Crocus veluchensis pics (the top one is a first flowering of some seedlings) and their close relative. Crocus cvijicii.
Alex
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Yes Maggi, very true! This is the same Crocus graveolens RIGA 115 now, 27 days after I posted the picture of the first flower (Reply 67, Crocus Jan 2014), with so many more flowers, and all this from one bulb only.
Wow!!!
I didn't realise they were capable of producing this many flowers!
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I planted one corm of Crocus sieberi 'Ronald Ginns'. Two flowers are open now but I counted 8 flowering shoots so it should look good soon and hopefully many corms for next year.
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The flower power of some of these crocus is truly amazing.