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Title: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 02, 2014, 07:16:54 PM
Flowering today, Helleborus x sternii 'Beatrice le Blanc Strain' and Helleborus x ballardiae 'Shooting Star'
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on January 02, 2014, 07:29:10 PM
Your Hellebores way in front of mine Ralph. I beat you with Iris unguicularis though! :D
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 05, 2014, 05:39:26 PM
The Helleborus x hybridus are starting to flower.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Naoto The Zombie on January 08, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
Hi boys & girls!

My hellebours in my garden, so far........

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H.thibetanus - It looked very good last year but it's flowering just above the soil level this year. :'(

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H.liguricus - Wild division from North Italy by Mr. Will McLewin (WM 0801) and smells good (not powerful but it does smell - like sweet & lemony)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 08, 2014, 05:49:49 PM
Helleborus x glandorfii has been in flower for some time, despite the weather and the slugs!

Helleborus niger 'Potter's Wheel', a little muddy

Helleborus 'Walberton's Rosemary' has plenty of flowers to come.

Helleborus argutifolius 'Silver Lace' is quite architectural.

Helleborus abschaticus is another early flowerer.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 09, 2014, 08:49:01 PM
Some say Helleborus abschaticus is a synonym of Helleborus orientalis Lam. subsp. abchasicus (A. Braun) B. Mathew
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Natalia on January 10, 2014, 05:17:51 PM
Helleborus abschaticus???
You meant  Нelleborus abchasicus?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 10, 2014, 05:44:35 PM
I've seen it spelt both ways!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 10, 2014, 06:51:33 PM
Helleborus sternii Blackthorn Strain is always first to flower with me !
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Gerdk on January 10, 2014, 06:57:52 PM
This is Helleborus orientalis ssp. caucasicus from Pizunda/Georgia - always a little bit too early and in most years the
emerging shoots were destroyed by frosts before the flowers open.
2013/14 is different but it might be that the expected drop in temperature will act as fatal as formerly.

Gerd
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on January 10, 2014, 08:03:28 PM
Perhaps the cold will not be as bad as is feared........  there is always hope.....
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: freddyvl on January 14, 2014, 08:05:34 PM
A few Helleborus are already in full flower in the garden:

- H. 'Penny's Pink'
- and good old H. thibetanus
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 14, 2014, 08:16:15 PM
Lovely thibetanus!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on January 15, 2014, 08:41:40 AM
'Penny's Pink' is lovely!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on January 15, 2014, 07:19:50 PM
Not sure what has happened to my thibetanus plants must check. Here is H vesicarius flowering for the first time from Will McLewin seed.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 15, 2014, 08:31:23 PM
Excellent! How do you grow your H. vesicarius?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on January 15, 2014, 11:18:39 PM
Excellent! How do you grow your H. vesicarius?

This one is in a pot under cold glass which seems to suit it but I do have one in the garden which is covered by a cloche outside which does not always flower. Will McLewin grows one outside under a light but much better than me so it is possible in the garden but I haven't found the trick yet
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: zvone on January 17, 2014, 07:46:51 PM
Hi!

Helleborus from My Garden:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9iTYJAxer0A/UtWUfN93CKI/AAAAAAAAc0k/eP2WmuhpVY0/s640/IMG_1659.JPG)

Best Regards!  zvone

http://zvonem.blogspot.si/news/ (http://zvonem.blogspot.si/news/)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 19, 2014, 06:45:43 PM
Taking advantage of the sunshine:

Helleborus orientalis subsp. orientalis, Helleborus orientalis subsp. abchasicus, or Helleborus abscasicus if you prefer, Helleborus multifidus subsp. istriacus, now probably Helleborus istriacus, and two pictures of Helleborus odorus.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 19, 2014, 06:47:04 PM
One more:

Helleborus x ballardiae 'Merlin'
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Tim Ingram on January 19, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
Ralph - really nice to see those species hellebores.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 19, 2014, 07:56:53 PM
A lot more to come!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 25, 2014, 08:04:55 PM
Helleborus x hybridus 'Ballard's Black Type' today.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on January 25, 2014, 08:24:27 PM
Great to see the healthy hellebores here, but perhaps this  is a timely warning for other to beware :
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/Profile.aspx?pid=167 (http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/Profile.aspx?pid=167)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 26, 2014, 11:55:20 AM
Go on, scare me to death!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: chris on January 26, 2014, 08:27:55 PM
here most of the wild Helleborus are flowering now

    Hel.atrorubens
    Hel.croaticus²
    Hel.multifidus
    Hel.odorus
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: chris on January 26, 2014, 08:30:13 PM
and also these

    Hel.purpurascens
    Hel.tibethanus
    Hel.tib.f.alba
    Hel.torquatus
    Hel.torq.'Stripey'
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on January 26, 2014, 08:34:07 PM
Happy Birthday , Chris - you have grown a fine set of flowers for your special day!
These species flowers can be so special - and the foliage too.

Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on January 26, 2014, 09:16:43 PM
here most of the wild Helleborus are flowering now

    Hel.atrorubens
    Hel.croaticus²
    Hel.multifidus
    Hel.odorus

Chris great to see these. It is too early here for mine and there is little sign other than atrorubens which is yet to open its flowers. By the way did you mean torquatus "stripey" a Robin White selection I think?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: chris on January 27, 2014, 06:12:56 AM
yes it is H.torq.'Stripey', years ago I bought it from Washfield Nursery
here 2 others from Elisabeth Strangman:

    Helleborus torquatus 'Dido'
    Hel.torq.'Belinda'
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on January 27, 2014, 07:47:33 AM
Very nice collection of species Helleborus. :)

I have only one flowering age species plant, and it is one which I have bought with the name H.orientalis ssp abhasicus. It is the first to flower and it already had big flower buds when the winter came. I have covered the plant, buds and all, with dry oak leaves and they are now under the snow, but I am positive, it will start to flower as soon as the snow melts away.
This is an older picture, and I was wondering if anyone can confirm that it is ssp abhasicus, not purpurascens or something else, because I'm not sure of what it is.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on January 27, 2014, 11:08:47 AM
yes it is H.torq.'Stripey', years ago I bought it from Washfield Nursery
here 2 others from Elisabeth Strangman:

Hi Chris very nice torquatus type doubles do they have names? I bought some similar from another nursery who bought theirs from Washfield and occasionally they do well in the garden though are inclined to growth at odd times which can spoil the display.

Good to see your plants again :)


Leena very nice I raised  some of these from Will McLewin seed they are nice plants from a place not easy to access these days
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on January 27, 2014, 11:18:38 AM
I have added the photo file names to the text of all Cris' posts. :)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: chris on January 27, 2014, 03:59:42 PM
thank you Maggi, I will remember for next time
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on January 27, 2014, 04:10:55 PM
thank you Maggi, I will remember for next time
My pleasure to  have the chance to  see more of  your plants, Chris   :)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 27, 2014, 04:40:33 PM
Helleborus x sternii 'Blackthorn Strain'
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Tim Ingram on January 27, 2014, 04:50:01 PM
Leena - I haven't grown ssp. abchasicus but your plant has all the right characteristics - deep purple colour and very early flowering. A super looking plant to look forward to when the snow clears!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 27, 2014, 04:53:33 PM
Here's one I saw in the Picos de Europa in June 2010. Can anyone identify? The local expert, Teresa Farino, says Helleborus foetidus, but I suspect it may be H. occidentalis.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on January 27, 2014, 06:39:27 PM
Hoping to get to Rodney Davey's nursery before the end of the season

http://www.independent.co.uk/property/gardening/deep-purple-there-are-hellebores--and-then-there-are-rodney-daveys-hellebores-6940785.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/property/gardening/deep-purple-there-are-hellebores--and-then-there-are-rodney-daveys-hellebores-6940785.html)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Tim Murphy on January 27, 2014, 06:41:13 PM
Here's one I saw in the Picos de Europa in June 2010. Can anyone identify? The local expert, Teresa Farino, says Helleborus foetidus, but I suspect it may be H. occidentalis.

That is definitely H. foetidus, Ralph.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 27, 2014, 06:43:25 PM
Yes, Tom Mitchell says so as well. That'll teach me to question an expert!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on January 28, 2014, 07:07:41 AM
Leena - I haven't grown ssp. abchasicus but your plant has all the right characteristics - deep purple colour and very early flowering. A super looking plant to look forward to when the snow clears!

Thank you Ian and Tim for confirming that it is  Helleborus ssp abhasicus. :) I love the hybrid hellebores but there is something about the true species (of any plants)!
It is characteristic to it that it's leaves don't stay so good over the winter as x hybridus leaves, and if there is very cold weather without snow, then the leaves go black.
It flowers so early that in some years I haven't gotten any seeds from it (I think it is because of frosts during flowering time.. and no pollinators), but last year I got seeds which are now sown, and I have also one seedling from few years back. I grow it away from my H x hybridus, but of course there is a chance of bees going back and forth.  :) But I hope at least the first flowers of this plant are pollinated by itself.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: annew on January 28, 2014, 11:48:44 AM
Hoping to get to Rodney Davey's nursery before the end of the season

http://www.independent.co.uk/property/gardening/deep-purple-there-are-hellebores--and-then-there-are-rodney-daveys-hellebores-6940785.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/property/gardening/deep-purple-there-are-hellebores--and-then-there-are-rodney-daveys-hellebores-6940785.html)
Funny you should write that, David. Taken this morning:
Helleborus Penny's Pink (Rodney Davey Marbled Group)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on January 28, 2014, 01:52:35 PM
From what I have read Anne he has some lovely stuff. Here's his 'Anna's Red', from the same Marbled Group, and named for Anna Pavord, taken at Rosemoor last February. Wonder if it will ever be dry enough to go again?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: annew on January 28, 2014, 02:21:12 PM
Hmm, wonder what Beth Chatto's Dry Garden is like just now. Last time we went it threw it down the whole day. We almost asked for our money back.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on January 28, 2014, 02:58:16 PM
Hmm, wonder what Beth Chatto's Dry Garden is like just now. Last time we went it threw it down the whole day. We almost asked for our money back.
Anne, that is SUCH a good joke, you know I will pinch it!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on January 28, 2014, 03:12:32 PM
Hmm, wonder what Beth Chatto's Dry Garden is like just now. Last time we went it threw it down the whole day. We almost asked for our money back.

Did for us last time we went too. Spent more time in the tea room. Maggi would have enjoyed it, chocolate cake to die for.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: annew on January 28, 2014, 05:14:27 PM
We did the tea room twice just to warm up. That was our excuse anyway.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David at Plantedd on January 31, 2014, 05:46:24 PM
Just went through the pictures of everybody's hellebores - lovely to see so many of the more delicate-looking ones.  I've been wanting to try more hellebores.

Actually, I had a question.  I hope this is the right place to ask.  The pictures of H. odorus got me thinking whether the flowers really have a scent or not?  I seem to remember somebody telling me that H. liguricus is scented.  Does anybody know if any of them have scented flowers, and what they smell like?

Or maybe I should just stick to daphnes and sarcococcas for winter scent!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 31, 2014, 07:01:07 PM
Fragrance can be subjective. And they certainly won't give off a heady scent like Daphne or Sarcococca!

Here's Helleborus multifidus subsp. bocconei.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 02, 2014, 05:00:07 PM
A selection of Helleborus x hybridus flowering now - including a nice double red. Some came from Elizabeth  Strangman just before she closed her nursery (but not the double red).
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 02, 2014, 05:02:14 PM
A few more including one near black.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 02, 2014, 05:03:25 PM
Helleborus hyb
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 02, 2014, 05:04:00 PM
And here is a lost label hellebore, probably a species. Can anyone ID? H. occidentalis?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 08:57:07 PM
Here're some from Delabroye's nursery

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    20140202_141532.jpg
    20140202_141551.jpg
    20140202_141604.jpg
    20140202_141612.jpg

Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 08:58:30 PM
Colors festival  :D

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    20140202_141733.jpg
    20140202_141845.jpg
    20140202_141901.jpg
    20140202_141852.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 08:59:54 PM
next batch

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    20140202_141922.jpg
    20140202_142007.jpg
    20140202_142020.jpg
    20140202_142042.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:01:44 PM
could buy them all  ;D

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    20140202_142105.jpg
    20140202_142150.jpg
    20140202_142200.jpg
    20140202_142229.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:03:07 PM
the festival continues
    20140202_142233.jpg
    20140202_142321.jpg
    20140202_142344.jpg
    20140202_142352.jpg
    20140202_142402.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:04:32 PM
some  more from Delabroye's nursery
    20140202_142432.jpg
    20140202_142458.jpg
    20140202_142523.jpg
    20140202_142528.jpg
    20140202_142534.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:05:37 PM
some  more from Delabroye's nursery

    20140202_142544.jpg
    20140202_142549.jpg
    20140202_142629.jpg
    20140202_142635.jpg
    20140202_142647.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:06:33 PM
some  more from Delabroye's nursery

    20140202_142647.jpg
    20140202_142708.jpg
    20140202_142732.jpg
    20140202_143936.jpg
    20140202_143942.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:07:34 PM
still some  more from Delabroye's nursery

    20140202_144339.jpg
    20140202_144352.jpg
    20140202_144408.jpg
    20140202_144416.jpg
    20140202_144436.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
-some  more from Delabroye's nursery
    20140202_144541.jpg
    20140202_144554.jpg
    20140202_144600.jpg
    20140202_144608.jpg
    20140202_144613.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:09:14 PM
-some  more from Delabroye's nursery

    20140202_144618.jpg
    20140202_144629.jpg
    20140202_144707.jpg
    20140202_144857.jpg
    20140202_144907.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:11:50 PM
--some  more from Delabroye's nursery
    20140202_145121.jpg
    20140202_145129.jpg
    20140202_145404.jpg
    20140202_145427.jpg
    20140202_145631.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:12:39 PM
 from Delabroye's nursery-
    20140202_145637.jpg
    20140202_145646.jpg
    20140202_145654.jpg
    20140202_150157.jpg
    20140202_150204.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:13:36 PM
not enough?  ;D

    20140202_145704.jpg
    20140202_145707.jpg
    20140202_145722.jpg
    20140202_145731.jpg
    20140202_150122.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:14:57 PM
from Delabroye's nursery-
    20140202_150130.jpg
    20140202_150141.jpg
    20140202_150151.jpg
    20140202_150157.jpg
    20140202_150204.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on February 02, 2014, 09:15:59 PM
Wow! What a selection - I love LOTS  of them!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:16:13 PM
from Delabroye's nursery-
    20140202_150220.jpg
    20140202_150320.jpg
    20140202_150325.jpg
    20140202_150330.jpg
    20140202_150337.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:17:12 PM
Voilà, the end!

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    20140202_150358.jpg
    20140202_150403.jpg
    20140202_150409.jpg
    20140202_150425.jpg
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:22:06 PM
thanks Maggi for editing my posts, i was busy with the shots
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on February 02, 2014, 09:28:33 PM
Bravo, Yann! What a remarkable selection - so - how many DID you buy?


( Happy to add the numbers to your post - easier that way if  people want to find individual plants that might be mentioned in discussion.  You were better employed adding those lovely photos - thank you! )
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 02, 2014, 09:48:48 PM
I bought 4 plants but it's quite difficult to resist i've to admit
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: annew on February 02, 2014, 09:52:51 PM
Yann, you must be a very strong person, to resist the temptation! I would have chosen the double yellow.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on February 02, 2014, 09:57:44 PM
Ian and I were very taken by the double yellow too -    20140202_142544.jpg  -   good colour and only semi double so it has  all it's sexual parts. 

20140202_145654.jpg  is another good one, though....


Mind you,  many of the "doubles" shown  still have their stamens and anthers so appeal more than the very filled types of some double flowers.

Even if I could have four I would be there for days making a choice!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on February 02, 2014, 09:58:54 PM
And what about   20140202_145704.jpg /  20140202_145707.jpg  - which seems to think it is a magnolia?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on February 02, 2014, 10:01:51 PM
From the picotees  my choice is  20140202_142629.jpg - that is a glorious flower!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 03, 2014, 06:33:47 AM
If you're interested by some plants let me know by pm. The nursery doesn't offer mail but i can ship.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 03, 2014, 06:52:36 PM
If you're interested by some plants let me know by pm. The nursery doesn't offer mail but i can ship.
Great pictures Yann - I'm sending a PM.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: chris on February 05, 2014, 08:35:06 PM
here a few of our collection:
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: chris on February 06, 2014, 05:47:03 PM
5 others from Belgium
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 06, 2014, 08:13:46 PM
Nice set
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 06, 2014, 09:04:06 PM
The National Collection of hellebores at Hadlow College in Kent has their usual guided walks coming up soon - here's a link: http://www.broadviewgardens.co.uk/events.aspx (http://www.broadviewgardens.co.uk/events.aspx)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: annew on February 06, 2014, 09:09:10 PM
Beautiful, Chris.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on February 07, 2014, 07:17:26 AM
Beautiful, Chris.

I think so, too. :)
Especially I liked the yellows with dark center.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: chris on February 08, 2014, 08:05:57 AM
thank you all, this year the Helebores are verry nice, we had no frost, here 5 others:
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Hans J on February 09, 2014, 09:35:21 AM
To all german Helleborus friends :

Is here in Germany a good nursery for Helleborus ?
I ask for a friend who is interested to buy something

Thank you in advance
Hans
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Biobella on February 09, 2014, 10:05:15 AM
You can try alpine-peters.de or peter-janke-gartenkonzepte.de. The latter has "inherited" the  hellebore collection from Gisela Schmiemann, some of the plants are offspring from Helen Ballards original plants.
I prefer Hans Kramers Hellebores (Netherlands), especially as he has totally refocussed his breeding program. More on his website hessenhof.nl.

Spell Check says there's no such word as "refocussed".
Well, now there is.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Hans J on February 09, 2014, 10:22:44 AM
Hallo Biobella ,

vielen Dank ...das ist es was ich gesucht habe !
Ich habe es gehört das jemand die Pflanzen von Frau Schmiemann übernommen hat ..wußte aber nicht wer

Noch einen schönen Sonntag
Hans
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: angie on February 09, 2014, 05:49:04 PM
Chris thats a lovely collection you have there  8)

Hans can you translate your last post for the half German me. only funning   ;)

Angie  :)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Hans J on February 09, 2014, 06:37:20 PM
Hallo Biobella ,

vielen Dank ...das ist es was ich gesucht habe !
Ich habe es gehört das jemand die Pflanzen von Frau Schmiemann übernommen hat ..wußte aber nicht wer

Noch einen schönen Sonntag
Hans

Special for Angie  ;)

Hello Biobella ,

Many thanks - this is what I have searched
I have heard that anybody has taken the plants of Mrs. Schmiemann ...but I dont know which Person

Have a nice sunday
Hans

...I hope you are satisfied with me Angie ?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: angie on February 09, 2014, 07:15:05 PM
Special for Angie  ;)

Hello Biobella ,

Many thanks - this is what I have searched
I have heard that anybody has taken the plants of Mrs. Schmiemann ...but I dont know which Person

Have a nice sunday
Hans

...I hope you are satisfied with me Angie ?

Hans off course I am  :). Like I have said before  ::) if I had listened to my mum then I wouldn't have needed you to translate your post for me  ;D  ;D.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 09, 2014, 07:19:36 PM
A few in flower today: Helleborus thibetanus looking very ragged after yesterday's hail, or possibly mollusc damage; Helleborus x hybridus 'Emerald Queen'
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Post by: monocotman on February 09, 2014, 07:57:11 PM
Hi,
a few flowering this year.
First up a bunch of seedlings from selected ashwood plants.
My favourite seedling first - an anemone picotee.
Next a nice pink with green nectaries.
The double white picotee is not as good as the parent.
Final photo is a pink picotee from a well established ashwood strain.
This one seems to come fairly true from seed,
Regards,

David

Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on February 09, 2014, 08:20:46 PM
How beautiful. I liked the last picotee most, really nice.
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Post by: johnw on February 09, 2014, 08:44:45 PM
Monocotman  - I really like the pink 1.jpg   It seems to be difficult to get clear, clear pinks that maintain their clarity in our extended cool springs. Or is it the winter that messes with the colour?

johnw
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: monocotman on February 10, 2014, 06:33:05 PM
John,
this winters mild weather has helped to keep the flowers in pristine condition.
No frost damage and they seem impervious to all the rain.
This particular plant is almost identical to its parent but much more vigorous, making a nice clump.

Leena,
this particular strain'pink picotee'  from Ashwoods is one of their best.It comes true from from seed.
The actual flower is better than the photo.

David
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnw on February 10, 2014, 07:12:38 PM
Can you tell me when the best time is to order H. seed from Ashwood?  We keep an eye on the site yet that great seed seems to be sold out every time we order.

Stunning Hellebores.

johnw
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Yann on February 10, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
A new natural hybrid that'll be available next season from Delabroye's nursery .
The flowers are hand sized and the plants is vigorous. This stunning Helleborus gonna be on a very short sale list.


Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on February 10, 2014, 08:53:31 PM
Some nice hybrids David

H atrorubens grown from WM wild seed
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Post by: ashley on February 10, 2014, 10:54:58 PM
That's a beauty Ian.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on February 11, 2014, 07:10:10 AM
Leena,
this particular strain'pink picotee'  from Ashwoods is one of their best.It comes true from from seed.
The actual flower is better than the photo.

I happen to have one year old 'Pink picotee' seedling from Ashwood, I hope it turns out just like that when it flowers. :)
I hope to see some of my plants from Ashwood seeds flowering for the first time this spring, I think the seeds were from purple and apricot shades with dark nectaries. Can't wait to see them.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: chris on February 11, 2014, 07:57:18 AM
here a cross I made 5 years ago, flowered the first year:
H.torquatus 'Dido'x H.purpurascense
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on February 11, 2014, 11:18:37 PM
That's a beauty Ian.

Thanks Ashley I like the hybrids but I think  the species have a quiet elegance
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Thorkild Godsk on February 12, 2014, 06:59:37 AM
Helleborus.
Helleborus multifidus subsp hercegovinus
It blooms now.
Thorkild.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Chris Johnson on February 12, 2014, 09:02:59 AM
Lovely plant and image Thorkild.

Chris
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 12, 2014, 07:07:38 PM
Helleborus x torquatus 'Schneeeule' (= Snowy Owl) - starting to bloom. Its colouring changes a little from year to year. I particularly like this hellebore because of its pretty delicate foliage which looks good throughout the season.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on February 12, 2014, 08:56:07 PM
Oh I do like that one, very pretty.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 12, 2014, 09:02:13 PM
Thank you, David!
Here is a photo (from last year) of the leaves.  I'm no expert but apparently a lot of the torquatus hybrids have these finely cut leaves.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 13, 2014, 04:37:37 PM
Some hellebores enjoying a rare spell of sunshine today: Helleborus x hybridus 'Cherry Blossom', Helleborus 'Anna's Red', Helleborus x hybridus 'Emerald Queen'
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Tim Ingram on February 14, 2014, 01:13:48 PM
This is a little group of diffferent forms of Helleborus torquatus in the garden. I could wish these grew better, but on the whole they are finicky plants, not increasing or flowering that well, despite being very interesting. It would be nice to work harder on growing and maintaining different forms of this species in the garden, but I need the advice of Robin and Sue White from whom the two lovely forms on the right have come. It would be valuable to know how other gardeners get on with this species?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 14, 2014, 04:50:11 PM
I do not cultivate the species, so my experience may not be relevant. But for me the plant I photographed above works well. It is healthy, the flowers prolific. It sits in a shadey spot in deep loam. In the summer this spot is fairly (but not completely) dry. I had more problems with the very special orientalis-hybrids I bought. Few of those survived.

You might be interested in the following site, Tim:
http://shop.alpine-peters.de/helleborus/torquatus.html (http://shop.alpine-peters.de/helleborus/torquatus.html)
All hybrids/selections - but then H. torquatus is very variable, isn't it?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Tim Ingram on February 14, 2014, 05:51:03 PM
Many thanks - an interesting website. The torquatus hybrids are like those from Blackthorn: 'Party Dress' and 'Wolverton' hybrids. On the whole these seem to have inherited less vigour as garden plants than x hybridus forms. But very few nurseries seem to grow the pure species which I am more drawn to and some of these, like your plant, also have beautifully cut foliage (eg: forms of multifidis).

The x hybridus forms now are quite spectacular, or sometimes a little more refined, like this example from Hadlow growing in our garden, but they so easily eclipse the species which does seem a shame to me.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Anne Repnow on February 14, 2014, 06:30:17 PM
That is beautiful indeed! I like the fine reddish pink lining to the petals.
But I agree with you - it is a shame that it is so difficult to get hold of the species.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 14, 2014, 08:21:47 PM
But very few nurseries seem to grow the pure species which I am more drawn to and some of these, like your plant, also have beautifully cut foliage (eg: forms of multifidis).

Tom Mitchell is your man!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 23, 2014, 07:49:03 PM
This is a little group of diffferent forms of Helleborus torquatus in the garden. I could wish these grew better, but on the whole they are finicky plants, not increasing or flowering that well, despite being very interesting. It would be nice to work harder on growing and maintaining different forms of this species in the garden, but I need the advice of Robin and Sue White from whom the two lovely forms on the right have come. It would be valuable to know how other gardeners get on with this species?
I find H. torquatus less vigorous than most. or perhaps they just need longer to establish. I have some just emerging and will take pictures when they open.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 23, 2014, 07:54:07 PM
A few days good weather makes all the difference, and the hellebores are looking great. First some hybrids. 1. Helleborus x hybridus 'Kingston Cardinal'; 2. Helleborus x hybridus 'Mrs Betty Ranicar'; 3. Helleborus x sahinii 'Winter Bells; 4. Helleborus x nigercors ' Snow Love'; 5. Helleborus x nigercors 'Emma'.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 23, 2014, 07:58:04 PM
More... 1. Helleborus x sternii 'Beatrice le Blanc Strain'; 2. Helleborus x ballardiae; 3. Helleborus x ballardiae 'Merlin'; 4. Helleborus 'Anna's Red'.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 23, 2014, 08:03:42 PM
And some specie hellebores. 1. Helleborus multifidus - this one is labelled simply a H. multifidus, so possibly H. multifidus subsp. multifidus; 2. Helleborus odorus; 3. Helleborus occidentalis; 4. Helleborus atropurpureus, a little eaten! 5. Helleborus multifidus subsp. bocconei, or Helleborus bocconei if you prefer!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 23, 2014, 08:07:47 PM
A few more. 1. Helleborus abruzzicus; 2. Helleborus liguricus TCM 09.380; and 3. just emerging, Helleborus multifidus subsp.hercegovinus (or Helleborus hercegovinus), also from Tom Mitchell
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Thorkild Godsk on February 24, 2014, 06:49:16 AM

Helleborus orientalis hybrid that flowers now.
Picture 1: Helleborus orientalis hybrid
Picture 2: Helleborus orientalis hybrid
Picture 3: Helleborus orientalis hybrid
Picture 4: Helleborus orientalis hybrid
Picture 5: Helleborus orientalis hybrid.
Thorkild-DK


Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 24, 2014, 04:18:22 PM
Hellebores in sunshine.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on February 24, 2014, 06:43:11 PM
here is one of my own seedlings flowering for the first time

Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 24, 2014, 06:47:12 PM
Nice yellow!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Chris Johnson on February 25, 2014, 08:26:05 AM
Lovely shade.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on February 25, 2014, 10:47:49 AM
Thanks Ralph and Chris I particularly like this one as it sits facing you and requires no lifting to see the flower. It also has the flower and petal shape that I like in hybrids
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on February 25, 2014, 12:18:33 PM
Lovely seedling Ian
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Gunilla on February 26, 2014, 12:59:48 PM
Three seedlings from the same mother plant
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 26, 2014, 05:33:47 PM
Like the semi-double!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 26, 2014, 05:36:24 PM
Visited the National Collection of Hellebores today at my old college, Hadlow. Disappointing. Lots of their own hybrids, but not many of real merit. One small bed of species, mostly diseased, broken/missing labels. Bit of a mess. Wouldn't inspire me to grow the genus if I was new to it.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Tim Murphy on February 26, 2014, 07:01:47 PM
Helleborus vesicarius is flowering outside at the moment. This plant was raised from seed which germinated in 2005. It was planted outside in autumn 2008 where it has flowered and set seed every year since.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on February 26, 2014, 07:19:30 PM
Hi Tim

Very nice.

Mine sulks outside is there anything special about the conditions you selected ie soil, sun etc?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Tim Murphy on February 26, 2014, 07:53:22 PM
Hi Tim

Very nice.

Mine sulks outside is there anything special about the conditions you selected ie soil, sun etc?

It does get a lot of sun. Not the previous owner of our house, but the one before that brought in several tonnes of soil in an attempt to build a rockery. The soil is full of stones, lumps of tarmac, etc. and whilst most other plants struggle or fail to grow in it, the vesicarius thrives.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 26, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
Excellent! So, perfect drainage and plenty of sun? I'll have to risk one of my seedlings outside!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on February 26, 2014, 08:22:31 PM
Hellebore article in the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/gardening-blog/2014/feb/25/green-hellebores (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/gardening-blog/2014/feb/25/green-hellebores)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 26, 2014, 08:25:10 PM
Thanks Maggi.

Has anybody managed to keep Helleborus x sternii 'Silver Dollar' alive? I have tried and failed three times.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 27, 2014, 07:43:46 PM
Some nice unnamed semi-double Helleborus x hybridus from the Ashwood Garden Hybrids series today.
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Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 27, 2014, 07:45:19 PM
One more, and Helleborus torquatus.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 01, 2014, 07:52:44 PM
Here's a selected form of Helleborus torquatus from Germany: Helleborus torquatus 'Grünfink JP'.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Palustris on March 02, 2014, 10:41:35 AM
Looking at the image of H. torquatus, am wondering if this has some genes from it.
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Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on March 02, 2014, 03:41:01 PM
Helleborus purpurescens with snowdrop Natalie Garton
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: PeterClegg on March 05, 2014, 07:31:29 PM
My first post on the forum , a couple of species to start , first is Atrorubens , second is a torquatus from Will Mclewin seed which has surprised me and flowered after 3 years, WM21.12
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on March 05, 2014, 07:51:41 PM
Welcome Peter!
I wonder if your McLewin torquatus seedling will be as vigorous as it is precocious? It'll be a winner if it is. 
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Steve Garvie on March 05, 2014, 08:03:15 PM
Helleborus x hybridus
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2844/12954934713_48063d6c74_o.jpg)
I've had this plant a long time but sadly have no record of its provenance.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 05, 2014, 08:20:27 PM
My first post on the forum , a couple of species to start , first is Atrorubens , second is a torquatus from Will Mclewin seed which has surprised me and flowered after 3 years, WM21.12
Very nice Peter!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Cyril L on March 05, 2014, 09:43:55 PM
Helleborus x hybridus

I've had this plant a long time but sadly have no record of its provenance.
Impressive flower Steve, well photographed.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 06, 2014, 03:02:10 PM
1. Helleborus lividus Hort., 2. Helleborus lividus 'Purple Ear'. Both these are mass produced and available in many garden centres; not of known wild provenance.

3. Another German cultivar, Helleborus torquatus 'Flamingo JP'

4. The diminutive Helleborus dumetorum TCM 09.304, a Tom Mitchell collection.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on March 06, 2014, 07:10:35 PM
The weather has given my Hellebores a real beating this season and some of them are a little past their best now. Since I wanted to picture them for my own records I've posted them here. Most are Harvington Hybrids with just a couple grown from my own collected seed.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on March 06, 2014, 07:11:48 PM
... and some more
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Post by: David Nicholson on March 06, 2014, 07:13:07 PM
..... final few
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on March 06, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
Nice selection, David -  can't have too many - as I keep trying to convince Ian!  Only a few out here so far but they're all looking promising so far.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 06, 2014, 08:26:38 PM
Nice selection, David -  can't have too many - as I keep trying to convince Ian!  Only a few out here so far but they're all looking promising so far.
Correct! You can't have too many hellebores!

Nice ones David, especially the semi-doubles.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on March 06, 2014, 08:41:40 PM
Thanks Maggi and Ralph, I hope next year to have flowers on a couple of seedlings Stella Tracey gave me from seed collected from her best very dark forms. Haven't managed to get to Rodney Davey's Nursery yet!
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Post by: ian mcenery on March 06, 2014, 10:38:32 PM
you have obviously been busy David

keep sowing

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Post by: PeterClegg on March 07, 2014, 08:28:54 PM
My second post and a few hybrids
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Post by: Leena on March 09, 2014, 01:18:54 PM
Helleborus abhasicus is the first to flower here, all the others are still in bud.

Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: PeterClegg on March 12, 2014, 07:33:10 PM
Three more hybrids and 2 croaticus
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on March 12, 2014, 07:41:04 PM
Lovely Peter.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Anne Repnow on March 16, 2014, 05:25:57 PM
Stunningly beautiful flowers, David, Peter, Ralph!

Two named varieties from my garden:
'Frühlingsglut'
'Rock n Roll'
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: partisangardener on March 16, 2014, 07:34:33 PM
Stunning plants.
Is there a specialist which would like to have a look at some Helleborus grown from seeds (collected in the wild in Middle-Italy)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11564.msg298691#msg298691 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11564.msg298691#msg298691)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: chasw on March 17, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
And here are 3 fom our garden today,the speckled one was bought, the other two have been the product of nature,and I had not even noticed them ,Jan pointed them out to me
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: PeterClegg on March 17, 2014, 06:55:32 PM
Really nice blooms , I think hbore2 is exceptional , right up my street ,  love it.
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Post by: David Nicholson on March 17, 2014, 07:04:36 PM
Three crackers there Chas.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 17, 2014, 07:27:38 PM
This is the first of the newer Hellebore hybrids that I bought, simply as Helleborus x ericsmithii, no cultivar name. Quite big now.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: PeterClegg on March 20, 2014, 05:21:16 PM
Nice plant Ralph , this is my first attempt at the ericsmithii cross ,  best one of about 30 plants
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Post by: PeterClegg on March 21, 2014, 07:36:27 PM
A few from my test beds , scented primrose spotted , nice pink and a good double
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on March 22, 2014, 07:25:01 PM
One of my seedlings from an Ashwood plant. This strain is called Neon
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Post by: Leena on March 23, 2014, 07:34:21 AM
One of my seedlings from an Ashwood plant. This strain is called Neon

That is spectacular!
And on top of the color the flowers look sideways, so you can see them.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Irm on March 23, 2014, 08:16:06 AM
One of my seedlings from an Ashwood plant. This strain is called Neon

Look, Ashwood sent me a cousin this year  ;D
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Post by: Irm on March 23, 2014, 08:17:21 AM
And a second plant from Ashwood
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on March 23, 2014, 10:16:45 AM
I  like those great "cousins" from the Neon strain.
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Post by: ian mcenery on March 23, 2014, 10:21:57 AM
Look, Ashwood sent me a cousin this year  ;D

Thanks Maggi and Leena

Save the seed Irm or maybe make a cross with a picotee or a good yellow you never know I have some interesting ones coming on ;)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Irm on March 23, 2014, 04:15:27 PM

Save the seed Irm

oh yes, that's the reason why I ordered from Ashwood this year. It's very expensive, shipping costs 45 Pounds  ::)

But look:
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Post by: Irm on March 23, 2014, 04:16:59 PM
.. and   ;D

two flowering plants, two without flowers.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on March 23, 2014, 04:26:59 PM
great plants - great parcel - great cat!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: PeterClegg on March 25, 2014, 09:32:58 PM
A couple from last season which did not flower this year  :'(
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on March 26, 2014, 12:01:55 AM
Oh Peter, that yellow is a real beauty- I do hope it will thrive and flower for you again.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: monocotman on March 26, 2014, 11:07:51 AM
These yellows from ashwoods breed true providing they're selfed or intercrossed.
They are pretty much all the same colour.
The bright yellow colour is linked with paler foliage and it is possible to pick these out in batches of young seedlings.
I find that they are slower growers than other hybrids and more prone to rots, so I keep mine in slightly drier areas.
Kevin at ashwoods told me that a small proportion of them turn out to be pure yellows without any red at all, but I haven't found one yet!
David
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Jacek on March 28, 2014, 09:18:46 PM
Having a semi woodland garden I thought hellebores would like my spot. That generally appeared not to be true. I bought different plant in Poland so I thought they should do well. But this was not true - they suffer from winter frost significantly when there is no snow cover. I lost most of them completely. The others suffer almost every year. Previous year leaves become more or less injured, but what is even worse - flower stalks are injured, too. And this is despite the fact that they do not develop significantly before spring in our colder climate.

This winter was mild - minimum temp only -16 C, but without snow. Here you can see a flower with frost injury with injured stalk leaf. This is probably some kind of fertile hybrid or Helleborus niger.

[attach=1]

Despite injuries, I have multiple seedlings.

The hellebore that behaves perfectly is only this sterile hybrid widely available in commerce in Poland:

[attach=2]

I believe this is H. sternii, but there was no name on it. Neither old foliage nor flower stalks are damaged by frosts down to -30 C without snow cover. Additional bonus are somewhat upwards facing flowers.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on March 29, 2014, 07:00:23 AM
This winter has been hard on some of my hellebores, too. First we had a very mild December and January and many plants started to grow early, then in mid January came cold, about -20° at the most, and first without snow but then we got some snow. The Hellebore niger plants which had started to flower in December lost all the flowers and some of the Helleborus x hybrids which had well-developed buds  also got damaged. Luckily most of the hybrids were not so far into growing that they were ok and now have buds coming up. Most of the leaves of the hybrids got damaged, but I cut them away anyway in the spring, so it doesn't matter to me.
I think the trouble was the warm December and the beginning of the year, normally the plants stay dormant until the real spring comes.

My late flowering Helleborus niger is now coming up with buds, it is a good plant in a year like this.
Helleborus abhasicus survived the January and February, even with big flower buds, but then the snow melted and it got little warmer, H.abhasicus started to flower in the beginning of March, and then we had a week of cold, -12°C at the most and even though I had covered the plant, most of the flowers had frozen and died, only two small flowers survived. :(
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 30, 2014, 08:27:56 PM
Had my first case of Helleborus net necrosis virus in the garden. Scary! Infected plants (two) now en route to municipal incinerator.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 30, 2014, 08:30:38 PM
Visited to Ingrams' inspirational garden Copton Ash today, and saw this little beauty. Helleborus torquatus Tinkerbell Group, bred by Robin White.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on April 03, 2014, 02:21:53 PM
Had my first case of Helleborus net necrosis virus in the garden. Scary! Infected plants (two) now en route to municipal incinerator.
Found another infected plant; here it is just before destruction.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on April 03, 2014, 02:23:47 PM
Can you describe the symptons please Ralph?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Tim Murphy on April 03, 2014, 02:37:18 PM
Found another infected plant; here it is just before destruction.

We've found two plants showing symptoms this week. It's been eighteen months since we last saw it. Almost impossible to eradicate whilst maintaining a collection of hellebores because plants can be infected and infectious for many months without showing any symptoms. Sorry to see it on your plants, Ralph.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on April 03, 2014, 02:38:43 PM
Can you describe the symptons please Ralph?
Stunted and deformed plants with characteristic black netting pattern on leaves. See also https://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/Profile.aspx?pid=167
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: David Nicholson on April 03, 2014, 05:03:14 PM
Many thanks Ralph.
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Post by: ian mcenery on April 03, 2014, 06:51:39 PM
Bad luck Ralph

Here  one from me H torquatus
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Post by: johnralphcarpenter on April 03, 2014, 08:12:44 PM
Thanks. Those who would know more about this disease can look here: http://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/abs/10.1094/PDIS-93-4-0332 (http://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/abs/10.1094/PDIS-93-4-0332)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Tim Murphy on April 11, 2014, 08:04:50 PM
H. vesicarius growing outside has set plenty of seed this year.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: PeterClegg on April 15, 2014, 01:10:33 PM
That looks fantastic Tim , is it down to drainage where it is planted or do you cover it at some point ?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Tim Murphy on April 15, 2014, 08:48:41 PM
Thanks, Peter. The plant is growing is very well drained soil - many years ago, the previous owner of the house brought in several tonnes of soil in an attempt to build a rockery.  The soil is full of grit, sand, small and large stones, lumps of tarmac, etc. and a lot of plants struggle in it. The H. vesicarius grow very well in it - the plan is to have a drift of them. It's a ten year plan!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Melvyn Jope on May 04, 2014, 10:14:34 PM
Nice bronzed juvenile foliage on Helleborus cyclophyllus on Mt Vermion Northern Greece last week.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on May 05, 2014, 06:02:57 PM
This is my nicest new Helleborus flowering for the first time this spring. it is grown from Ashwood seeds (Yellow incl red flush dark nectaries), obviously it is not yellow but I think it is even nicer than yellow. :)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Anne Repnow on May 05, 2014, 07:24:11 PM
Lovely, Leena, I can see why that is a favourite for you! A very special colour  :o.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on May 06, 2014, 05:31:18 AM
Thanks Bolinopsis, the color is different than in any of my other hellebores (so far) and I like the single flowers, they look sideways and are not drooping. :)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Stephen Vella on May 06, 2014, 06:11:14 AM
Hello Leena and all,

Just catching up with this topic....some nice Hellebores to be seen and especially the species.

Leena you do have some nice Hellebores, that is a nice one. You'll find that the ones with short pedicels or flower stalk makes the flowers face outwards or even up and theres the ones that have stalks like swans that hang like bells. I like them both.

cheers
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on May 06, 2014, 05:11:26 PM
Leena you do have some nice Hellebores, that is a nice one. You'll find that the ones with short pedicels or flower stalk makes the flowers face outwards or even up and theres the ones that have stalks like swans that hang like bells. I like them both.

Thanks. :)
Now that you said that about pedicels, yes of course that is so, I just didn't think about why the flowers face down or sideways. I have to learn to look my plants more closely and also to enjoy the hanging bell-like flowers. :)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: kot on May 06, 2014, 05:43:11 PM
A fragment of my collection of Helleborus hybr. . There are molds of various shapes and colors of flowers. Also spotted with flowers, double and anemone forms.
kot
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Jeffnz on May 06, 2014, 08:37:39 PM
Leana
Looks like an escapee from their new Sunrise/Sunset/Daybreak strains
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on May 07, 2014, 05:08:52 AM
Kot, you have a lot of hellebore, it must be a very nice view when they are all flowering.

Leana
Looks like an escapee from their new Sunrise/Sunset/Daybreak strains

I googled them and yes it does, good luck for me. :)
This yellow came from the same seed batch as the red one.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on May 11, 2014, 06:20:33 AM
Some more or my hellebores flowering right now.
First an old Blue Metallic Lady and then three hellebores grown from Ashwood seeds. The clear pink came from Ashwood Purple- seeds, and the two others from Ashwood Apricot/Peach- seeds, all very nice hellebores.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on May 11, 2014, 06:23:28 AM
These two plants I have grown from seeds a friend of mine collected from the mountains in Croatia when she was on holiday there. I can't wait for them to flower so I could see what the flower looks like and what species they might be. :)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: PeterClegg on May 11, 2014, 06:33:40 PM
Hi Leena
An educated guess by looking at the foliage I would say odorus ! you have many very fine plants in your previous posts .
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on May 12, 2014, 06:28:49 AM
Hi Leena
An educated guess by looking at the foliage I would say odorus ! you have many very fine plants in your previous posts .

Thank you Peter! I was hoping someone would identify these from foliage  :), which is very nice even without flowers, but hopefully these are so big now that they will flower next year.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on May 12, 2014, 10:38:31 PM
These two plants I have grown from seeds a friend of mine collected from the mountains in Croatia when she was on holiday there. I can't wait for them to flower so I could see what the flower looks like and what species they might be. :)

Just to add some confusion to the id. The leaves look very like a plant I have as H croaticus.

Nice plants Leena and nice  to see fresh flowers at this time
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on May 13, 2014, 06:29:47 AM
Thanks Ian.
I forgot to add that these plants are deciduous, they go underground in early autumn and come up again in the spring unlike my Helleborus x hybridus which keep their leaves all winter. Does this fit to either H.croaticus or H.odorus?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: ian mcenery on May 13, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
Thanks Ian.
I forgot to add that these plants are deciduous, they go underground in early autumn and come up again in the spring unlike my Helleborus x hybridus which keep their leaves all winter. Does this fit to either H.croaticus or H.odorus?

Leena I think both. When it flowers you will know ;)

As the distribution I think overlaps perhaps one of the expert lurkers might give an opinion?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on May 13, 2014, 07:30:51 PM
Try Tom Mitchell at Evolution Plants.

 Edit by maggi :  Evolution Plants has closed down.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Jeffnz on May 13, 2014, 11:36:19 PM
Leena
Both croaticus and odorus are deciduous, the flower colour and possibly size will give the definitive answer, odorus will be green while croatocus often has red overlays.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Jeffnz on May 14, 2014, 12:47:10 AM
Can your friend who collected the seed recall where the seed was collected ,this mAay assist ID?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on May 14, 2014, 05:23:44 AM
Thank you, I will have to be patient and wait for the flowers. :)
I had in my notes that the seeds were collected in mountains near Plitvice, but that is all I know.
The person who collected the seeds is not a close friend, I met her through plant exchange in Finland, and recently she has not been active in the gardening forum in Finland.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Jeffnz on May 14, 2014, 08:20:02 PM
Leena
Do not profess to be a species expert but the area the seed was collected from was Croatica so could be either species.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Tim Murphy on May 18, 2014, 05:36:00 AM
If the location data is accurate, it can't be H. croaticus, Leena. That species has an extremely limited distribution in NE Croatia (close to Slatina), a long way from Plitvice.

H. odorus doesn't grow around Plitvice either. The closest odorus I know of are just north of Zagreb, or much further east in Bosnia.

Plants from the torquatus/multifidus complex grow in the Plitvice area - are the plants still relatively young? Maybe the foliage will become more divided with age. Having said that, I have seen mature plants in colonies in that area which don't have divided foliage and would pass for examples of odorus.

'Plitvice area' is open to interpretation too, I suppose....

Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Leena on May 18, 2014, 06:04:45 AM
Thank you Tim. :) The plants are young and the bed where they are growing is perhaps too dry for Helleborus, it is under small cherries which roots suck up the moisture in the summer. I'll try to water them better this summer and hope that they will flower next year, I don't want to move them now when they are in full leaf. There are differences in the leaves of the two plants, the other has some more leaflets than the other.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: angie on May 18, 2014, 10:46:08 PM
My last Hellebore flowering for me. I always think its sad to see the flowers go over.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on August 09, 2014, 07:24:41 PM
This Helleborus torquatus has been blooming non-stop for over  six months. Hope it's not on its way out!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 12, 2014, 11:44:20 PM
Well it looks very healthy Ralph. Perhaps it enjoys apples? :)
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on August 14, 2014, 09:53:54 AM
Well it looks very healthy Ralph. Perhaps it enjoys apples? :)
When my wife said that we had had a windfall,  didn't realise that this was what she meant!
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on September 26, 2014, 06:58:51 PM
Hellebore season seems to have started with the first flower on Helleborus 'Walberton's Rosemary'.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on December 14, 2014, 01:35:19 PM
In the garden today, two hellebores from Staudengärtnerei Peters in Germany are flowering. The first was bought from them as Helleborus x hybridus 'SP Emma', in the Spring Promise series. It looks more like Helleborus niger, and I see from their website that they now sell it as Helleborus x nigercors 'Emma'. Secondly, this one was bought as Helleborus x glandorfii Pink Large Flowered, but H. x glandorfii no longer appears on their website and I suspect that they have reclassified this as Helleborus x lemonnieri.
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on December 17, 2014, 07:44:40 PM
I see Long Acre Plants are offering H.'Emma' as Helleborus x ericsmithii. By the look of the plant this seems likely to me. H. x ericsmithii is H. niger x H. x sternii (H. lividus x H. argutifolius), so involving three species as parents. H. nigercors is H. niger x H. argutifolius. Peters seem to have reclassified all the plants they sold as H. glandorfii as H. lemonnieri. H. x glandorfii is H. niger x H. atrorubens; H. x lemonnieri is H. niger var. macranthus x H. orientalis subsp. abchasicus. So is the real H. x glandorfii out there somewhere?
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: Maggi Young on December 17, 2014, 07:52:15 PM
 From the Archibald Archive on the main SRGC Site :
'Raiser unknown: Eric Smith, a plantsman'  In this article, originally published by the Hardy Plant Society in 2000, Jim Archibald writes of some of the plants raised and named by Eric Smith and by himself. Jim's text is illustrated here with photos added of a selection of those plants. Kind thanks to SRGC Forumists and all who have allowed the use of their photographs.
http://files.srgc.net/archibald/writings/Raiser_unknown_Eric_Smith_a_plantsman_JCA.pdf (http://files.srgc.net/archibald/writings/Raiser_unknown_Eric_Smith_a_plantsman_JCA.pdf)

About Helleborus  x ericsmithii' : " Eric is commemorated in the name Helleborus x ericsmithii,
under which Brian Mathew described the hybrid H. niger x H. x sternii, which Eric was probably the
first to make. The cross was actually the result of a failure to produce H. x nigercors, a cross which Eric
never managed to repeat. Having failed with H. argutifolius as a pollen-parent, he tried its hybrid most
successfully."
Title: Re: Helleborus 2014
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on December 25, 2014, 04:53:00 PM
Thanks for that information Maggi. Helleborus foetidus is always reliable at this time of year and it is nice to see it on a sunny Christmas Day.
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