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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: johnralphcarpenter on January 02, 2014, 07:16:54 PM
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Flowering today, Helleborus x sternii 'Beatrice le Blanc Strain' and Helleborus x ballardiae 'Shooting Star'
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Your Hellebores way in front of mine Ralph. I beat you with Iris unguicularis though! :D
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The Helleborus x hybridus are starting to flower.
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Hi boys & girls!
My hellebours in my garden, so far........
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H.thibetanus - It looked very good last year but it's flowering just above the soil level this year. :'(
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H.liguricus - Wild division from North Italy by Mr. Will McLewin (WM 0801) and smells good (not powerful but it does smell - like sweet & lemony)
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Helleborus x glandorfii has been in flower for some time, despite the weather and the slugs!
Helleborus niger 'Potter's Wheel', a little muddy
Helleborus 'Walberton's Rosemary' has plenty of flowers to come.
Helleborus argutifolius 'Silver Lace' is quite architectural.
Helleborus abschaticus is another early flowerer.
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Some say Helleborus abschaticus is a synonym of Helleborus orientalis Lam. subsp. abchasicus (A. Braun) B. Mathew
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Helleborus abschaticus???
You meant Нelleborus abchasicus?
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I've seen it spelt both ways!
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Helleborus sternii Blackthorn Strain is always first to flower with me !
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This is Helleborus orientalis ssp. caucasicus from Pizunda/Georgia - always a little bit too early and in most years the
emerging shoots were destroyed by frosts before the flowers open.
2013/14 is different but it might be that the expected drop in temperature will act as fatal as formerly.
Gerd
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Perhaps the cold will not be as bad as is feared........ there is always hope.....
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A few Helleborus are already in full flower in the garden:
- H. 'Penny's Pink'
- and good old H. thibetanus
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Lovely thibetanus!
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'Penny's Pink' is lovely!
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Not sure what has happened to my thibetanus plants must check. Here is H vesicarius flowering for the first time from Will McLewin seed.
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Excellent! How do you grow your H. vesicarius?
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Excellent! How do you grow your H. vesicarius?
This one is in a pot under cold glass which seems to suit it but I do have one in the garden which is covered by a cloche outside which does not always flower. Will McLewin grows one outside under a light but much better than me so it is possible in the garden but I haven't found the trick yet
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Hi!
Helleborus from My Garden:
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Best Regards! zvone
http://zvonem.blogspot.si/news/ (http://zvonem.blogspot.si/news/)
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Taking advantage of the sunshine:
Helleborus orientalis subsp. orientalis, Helleborus orientalis subsp. abchasicus, or Helleborus abscasicus if you prefer, Helleborus multifidus subsp. istriacus, now probably Helleborus istriacus, and two pictures of Helleborus odorus.
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One more:
Helleborus x ballardiae 'Merlin'
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Ralph - really nice to see those species hellebores.
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A lot more to come!
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Helleborus x hybridus 'Ballard's Black Type' today.
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Great to see the healthy hellebores here, but perhaps this is a timely warning for other to beware :
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/Profile.aspx?pid=167 (http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/Profile.aspx?pid=167)
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Go on, scare me to death!
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here most of the wild Helleborus are flowering now
Hel.atrorubens
Hel.croaticus²
Hel.multifidus
Hel.odorus
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and also these
Hel.purpurascens
Hel.tibethanus
Hel.tib.f.alba
Hel.torquatus
Hel.torq.'Stripey'
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Happy Birthday , Chris - you have grown a fine set of flowers for your special day!
These species flowers can be so special - and the foliage too.
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here most of the wild Helleborus are flowering now
Hel.atrorubens
Hel.croaticus²
Hel.multifidus
Hel.odorus
Chris great to see these. It is too early here for mine and there is little sign other than atrorubens which is yet to open its flowers. By the way did you mean torquatus "stripey" a Robin White selection I think?
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yes it is H.torq.'Stripey', years ago I bought it from Washfield Nursery
here 2 others from Elisabeth Strangman:
Helleborus torquatus 'Dido'
Hel.torq.'Belinda'
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Very nice collection of species Helleborus. :)
I have only one flowering age species plant, and it is one which I have bought with the name H.orientalis ssp abhasicus. It is the first to flower and it already had big flower buds when the winter came. I have covered the plant, buds and all, with dry oak leaves and they are now under the snow, but I am positive, it will start to flower as soon as the snow melts away.
This is an older picture, and I was wondering if anyone can confirm that it is ssp abhasicus, not purpurascens or something else, because I'm not sure of what it is.
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yes it is H.torq.'Stripey', years ago I bought it from Washfield Nursery
here 2 others from Elisabeth Strangman:
Hi Chris very nice torquatus type doubles do they have names? I bought some similar from another nursery who bought theirs from Washfield and occasionally they do well in the garden though are inclined to growth at odd times which can spoil the display.
Good to see your plants again :)
Leena very nice I raised some of these from Will McLewin seed they are nice plants from a place not easy to access these days
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I have added the photo file names to the text of all Cris' posts. :)
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thank you Maggi, I will remember for next time
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thank you Maggi, I will remember for next time
My pleasure to have the chance to see more of your plants, Chris :)
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Helleborus x sternii 'Blackthorn Strain'
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Leena - I haven't grown ssp. abchasicus but your plant has all the right characteristics - deep purple colour and very early flowering. A super looking plant to look forward to when the snow clears!
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Here's one I saw in the Picos de Europa in June 2010. Can anyone identify? The local expert, Teresa Farino, says Helleborus foetidus, but I suspect it may be H. occidentalis.
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Hoping to get to Rodney Davey's nursery before the end of the season
http://www.independent.co.uk/property/gardening/deep-purple-there-are-hellebores--and-then-there-are-rodney-daveys-hellebores-6940785.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/property/gardening/deep-purple-there-are-hellebores--and-then-there-are-rodney-daveys-hellebores-6940785.html)
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Here's one I saw in the Picos de Europa in June 2010. Can anyone identify? The local expert, Teresa Farino, says Helleborus foetidus, but I suspect it may be H. occidentalis.
That is definitely H. foetidus, Ralph.
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Yes, Tom Mitchell says so as well. That'll teach me to question an expert!
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Leena - I haven't grown ssp. abchasicus but your plant has all the right characteristics - deep purple colour and very early flowering. A super looking plant to look forward to when the snow clears!
Thank you Ian and Tim for confirming that it is Helleborus ssp abhasicus. :) I love the hybrid hellebores but there is something about the true species (of any plants)!
It is characteristic to it that it's leaves don't stay so good over the winter as x hybridus leaves, and if there is very cold weather without snow, then the leaves go black.
It flowers so early that in some years I haven't gotten any seeds from it (I think it is because of frosts during flowering time.. and no pollinators), but last year I got seeds which are now sown, and I have also one seedling from few years back. I grow it away from my H x hybridus, but of course there is a chance of bees going back and forth. :) But I hope at least the first flowers of this plant are pollinated by itself.
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Hoping to get to Rodney Davey's nursery before the end of the season
http://www.independent.co.uk/property/gardening/deep-purple-there-are-hellebores--and-then-there-are-rodney-daveys-hellebores-6940785.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/property/gardening/deep-purple-there-are-hellebores--and-then-there-are-rodney-daveys-hellebores-6940785.html)
Funny you should write that, David. Taken this morning:
Helleborus Penny's Pink (Rodney Davey Marbled Group)
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From what I have read Anne he has some lovely stuff. Here's his 'Anna's Red', from the same Marbled Group, and named for Anna Pavord, taken at Rosemoor last February. Wonder if it will ever be dry enough to go again?
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Hmm, wonder what Beth Chatto's Dry Garden is like just now. Last time we went it threw it down the whole day. We almost asked for our money back.
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Hmm, wonder what Beth Chatto's Dry Garden is like just now. Last time we went it threw it down the whole day. We almost asked for our money back.
Anne, that is SUCH a good joke, you know I will pinch it!
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Hmm, wonder what Beth Chatto's Dry Garden is like just now. Last time we went it threw it down the whole day. We almost asked for our money back.
Did for us last time we went too. Spent more time in the tea room. Maggi would have enjoyed it, chocolate cake to die for.
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We did the tea room twice just to warm up. That was our excuse anyway.
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Just went through the pictures of everybody's hellebores - lovely to see so many of the more delicate-looking ones. I've been wanting to try more hellebores.
Actually, I had a question. I hope this is the right place to ask. The pictures of H. odorus got me thinking whether the flowers really have a scent or not? I seem to remember somebody telling me that H. liguricus is scented. Does anybody know if any of them have scented flowers, and what they smell like?
Or maybe I should just stick to daphnes and sarcococcas for winter scent!
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Fragrance can be subjective. And they certainly won't give off a heady scent like Daphne or Sarcococca!
Here's Helleborus multifidus subsp. bocconei.
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A selection of Helleborus x hybridus flowering now - including a nice double red. Some came from Elizabeth Strangman just before she closed her nursery (but not the double red).
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A few more including one near black.
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Helleborus hyb
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And here is a lost label hellebore, probably a species. Can anyone ID? H. occidentalis?
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Here're some from Delabroye's nursery
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Colors festival :D
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next batch
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could buy them all ;D
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the festival continues
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some more from Delabroye's nursery
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some more from Delabroye's nursery
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some more from Delabroye's nursery
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still some more from Delabroye's nursery
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-some more from Delabroye's nursery
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-some more from Delabroye's nursery
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--some more from Delabroye's nursery
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from Delabroye's nursery-
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not enough? ;D
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from Delabroye's nursery-
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Wow! What a selection - I love LOTS of them!
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from Delabroye's nursery-
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Voilà, the end!
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thanks Maggi for editing my posts, i was busy with the shots
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Bravo, Yann! What a remarkable selection - so - how many DID you buy?
( Happy to add the numbers to your post - easier that way if people want to find individual plants that might be mentioned in discussion. You were better employed adding those lovely photos - thank you! )
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I bought 4 plants but it's quite difficult to resist i've to admit
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Yann, you must be a very strong person, to resist the temptation! I would have chosen the double yellow.
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Ian and I were very taken by the double yellow too - 20140202_142544.jpg - good colour and only semi double so it has all it's sexual parts.
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Mind you, many of the "doubles" shown still have their stamens and anthers so appeal more than the very filled types of some double flowers.
Even if I could have four I would be there for days making a choice!
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And what about 20140202_145704.jpg / 20140202_145707.jpg - which seems to think it is a magnolia?
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From the picotees my choice is 20140202_142629.jpg - that is a glorious flower!
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If you're interested by some plants let me know by pm. The nursery doesn't offer mail but i can ship.
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If you're interested by some plants let me know by pm. The nursery doesn't offer mail but i can ship.
Great pictures Yann - I'm sending a PM.
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here a few of our collection:
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5 others from Belgium
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Nice set
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The National Collection of hellebores at Hadlow College in Kent has their usual guided walks coming up soon - here's a link: http://www.broadviewgardens.co.uk/events.aspx (http://www.broadviewgardens.co.uk/events.aspx)
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Beautiful, Chris.
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Beautiful, Chris.
I think so, too. :)
Especially I liked the yellows with dark center.
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thank you all, this year the Helebores are verry nice, we had no frost, here 5 others:
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To all german Helleborus friends :
Is here in Germany a good nursery for Helleborus ?
I ask for a friend who is interested to buy something
Thank you in advance
Hans
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You can try alpine-peters.de or peter-janke-gartenkonzepte.de. The latter has "inherited" the hellebore collection from Gisela Schmiemann, some of the plants are offspring from Helen Ballards original plants.
I prefer Hans Kramers Hellebores (Netherlands), especially as he has totally refocussed his breeding program. More on his website hessenhof.nl.
Spell Check says there's no such word as "refocussed".
Well, now there is.
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Hallo Biobella ,
vielen Dank ...das ist es was ich gesucht habe !
Ich habe es gehört das jemand die Pflanzen von Frau Schmiemann übernommen hat ..wußte aber nicht wer
Noch einen schönen Sonntag
Hans
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Chris thats a lovely collection you have there 8)
Hans can you translate your last post for the half German me. only funning ;)
Angie :)
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Hallo Biobella ,
vielen Dank ...das ist es was ich gesucht habe !
Ich habe es gehört das jemand die Pflanzen von Frau Schmiemann übernommen hat ..wußte aber nicht wer
Noch einen schönen Sonntag
Hans
Special for Angie ;)
Hello Biobella ,
Many thanks - this is what I have searched
I have heard that anybody has taken the plants of Mrs. Schmiemann ...but I dont know which Person
Have a nice sunday
Hans
...I hope you are satisfied with me Angie ?
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Special for Angie ;)
Hello Biobella ,
Many thanks - this is what I have searched
I have heard that anybody has taken the plants of Mrs. Schmiemann ...but I dont know which Person
Have a nice sunday
Hans
...I hope you are satisfied with me Angie ?
Hans off course I am :). Like I have said before ::) if I had listened to my mum then I wouldn't have needed you to translate your post for me ;D ;D.
Angie :)
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A few in flower today: Helleborus thibetanus looking very ragged after yesterday's hail, or possibly mollusc damage; Helleborus x hybridus 'Emerald Queen'
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Hi,
a few flowering this year.
First up a bunch of seedlings from selected ashwood plants.
My favourite seedling first - an anemone picotee.
Next a nice pink with green nectaries.
The double white picotee is not as good as the parent.
Final photo is a pink picotee from a well established ashwood strain.
This one seems to come fairly true from seed,
Regards,
David
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How beautiful. I liked the last picotee most, really nice.
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Monocotman - I really like the pink 1.jpg It seems to be difficult to get clear, clear pinks that maintain their clarity in our extended cool springs. Or is it the winter that messes with the colour?
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John,
this winters mild weather has helped to keep the flowers in pristine condition.
No frost damage and they seem impervious to all the rain.
This particular plant is almost identical to its parent but much more vigorous, making a nice clump.
Leena,
this particular strain'pink picotee' from Ashwoods is one of their best.It comes true from from seed.
The actual flower is better than the photo.
David
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Can you tell me when the best time is to order H. seed from Ashwood? We keep an eye on the site yet that great seed seems to be sold out every time we order.
Stunning Hellebores.
johnw
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A new natural hybrid that'll be available next season from Delabroye's nursery .
The flowers are hand sized and the plants is vigorous. This stunning Helleborus gonna be on a very short sale list.
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Some nice hybrids David
H atrorubens grown from WM wild seed
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That's a beauty Ian.
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Leena,
this particular strain'pink picotee' from Ashwoods is one of their best.It comes true from from seed.
The actual flower is better than the photo.
I happen to have one year old 'Pink picotee' seedling from Ashwood, I hope it turns out just like that when it flowers. :)
I hope to see some of my plants from Ashwood seeds flowering for the first time this spring, I think the seeds were from purple and apricot shades with dark nectaries. Can't wait to see them.
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here a cross I made 5 years ago, flowered the first year:
H.torquatus 'Dido'x H.purpurascense
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That's a beauty Ian.
Thanks Ashley I like the hybrids but I think the species have a quiet elegance
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Helleborus.
Helleborus multifidus subsp hercegovinus
It blooms now.
Thorkild.
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Lovely plant and image Thorkild.
Chris
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Helleborus x torquatus 'Schneeeule' (= Snowy Owl) - starting to bloom. Its colouring changes a little from year to year. I particularly like this hellebore because of its pretty delicate foliage which looks good throughout the season.
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Oh I do like that one, very pretty.
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Thank you, David!
Here is a photo (from last year) of the leaves. I'm no expert but apparently a lot of the torquatus hybrids have these finely cut leaves.
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Some hellebores enjoying a rare spell of sunshine today: Helleborus x hybridus 'Cherry Blossom', Helleborus 'Anna's Red', Helleborus x hybridus 'Emerald Queen'
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This is a little group of diffferent forms of Helleborus torquatus in the garden. I could wish these grew better, but on the whole they are finicky plants, not increasing or flowering that well, despite being very interesting. It would be nice to work harder on growing and maintaining different forms of this species in the garden, but I need the advice of Robin and Sue White from whom the two lovely forms on the right have come. It would be valuable to know how other gardeners get on with this species?
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I do not cultivate the species, so my experience may not be relevant. But for me the plant I photographed above works well. It is healthy, the flowers prolific. It sits in a shadey spot in deep loam. In the summer this spot is fairly (but not completely) dry. I had more problems with the very special orientalis-hybrids I bought. Few of those survived.
You might be interested in the following site, Tim:
http://shop.alpine-peters.de/helleborus/torquatus.html (http://shop.alpine-peters.de/helleborus/torquatus.html)
All hybrids/selections - but then H. torquatus is very variable, isn't it?
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Many thanks - an interesting website. The torquatus hybrids are like those from Blackthorn: 'Party Dress' and 'Wolverton' hybrids. On the whole these seem to have inherited less vigour as garden plants than x hybridus forms. But very few nurseries seem to grow the pure species which I am more drawn to and some of these, like your plant, also have beautifully cut foliage (eg: forms of multifidis).
The x hybridus forms now are quite spectacular, or sometimes a little more refined, like this example from Hadlow growing in our garden, but they so easily eclipse the species which does seem a shame to me.
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That is beautiful indeed! I like the fine reddish pink lining to the petals.
But I agree with you - it is a shame that it is so difficult to get hold of the species.
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But very few nurseries seem to grow the pure species which I am more drawn to and some of these, like your plant, also have beautifully cut foliage (eg: forms of multifidis).
Tom Mitchell is your man!
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This is a little group of diffferent forms of Helleborus torquatus in the garden. I could wish these grew better, but on the whole they are finicky plants, not increasing or flowering that well, despite being very interesting. It would be nice to work harder on growing and maintaining different forms of this species in the garden, but I need the advice of Robin and Sue White from whom the two lovely forms on the right have come. It would be valuable to know how other gardeners get on with this species?
I find H. torquatus less vigorous than most. or perhaps they just need longer to establish. I have some just emerging and will take pictures when they open.
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A few days good weather makes all the difference, and the hellebores are looking great. First some hybrids. 1. Helleborus x hybridus 'Kingston Cardinal'; 2. Helleborus x hybridus 'Mrs Betty Ranicar'; 3. Helleborus x sahinii 'Winter Bells; 4. Helleborus x nigercors ' Snow Love'; 5. Helleborus x nigercors 'Emma'.
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More... 1. Helleborus x sternii 'Beatrice le Blanc Strain'; 2. Helleborus x ballardiae; 3. Helleborus x ballardiae 'Merlin'; 4. Helleborus 'Anna's Red'.
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And some specie hellebores. 1. Helleborus multifidus - this one is labelled simply a H. multifidus, so possibly H. multifidus subsp. multifidus; 2. Helleborus odorus; 3. Helleborus occidentalis; 4. Helleborus atropurpureus, a little eaten! 5. Helleborus multifidus subsp. bocconei, or Helleborus bocconei if you prefer!
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A few more. 1. Helleborus abruzzicus; 2. Helleborus liguricus TCM 09.380; and 3. just emerging, Helleborus multifidus subsp.hercegovinus (or Helleborus hercegovinus), also from Tom Mitchell
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Helleborus orientalis hybrid that flowers now.
Picture 1: Helleborus orientalis hybrid
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Picture 3: Helleborus orientalis hybrid
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Picture 5: Helleborus orientalis hybrid.
Thorkild-DK
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Hellebores in sunshine.
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here is one of my own seedlings flowering for the first time
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Nice yellow!
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Lovely shade.
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Thanks Ralph and Chris I particularly like this one as it sits facing you and requires no lifting to see the flower. It also has the flower and petal shape that I like in hybrids
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Lovely seedling Ian
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Three seedlings from the same mother plant
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Like the semi-double!
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Visited the National Collection of Hellebores today at my old college, Hadlow. Disappointing. Lots of their own hybrids, but not many of real merit. One small bed of species, mostly diseased, broken/missing labels. Bit of a mess. Wouldn't inspire me to grow the genus if I was new to it.
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Helleborus vesicarius is flowering outside at the moment. This plant was raised from seed which germinated in 2005. It was planted outside in autumn 2008 where it has flowered and set seed every year since.
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Hi Tim
Very nice.
Mine sulks outside is there anything special about the conditions you selected ie soil, sun etc?
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Hi Tim
Very nice.
Mine sulks outside is there anything special about the conditions you selected ie soil, sun etc?
It does get a lot of sun. Not the previous owner of our house, but the one before that brought in several tonnes of soil in an attempt to build a rockery. The soil is full of stones, lumps of tarmac, etc. and whilst most other plants struggle or fail to grow in it, the vesicarius thrives.
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Excellent! So, perfect drainage and plenty of sun? I'll have to risk one of my seedlings outside!
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Hellebore article in the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/gardening-blog/2014/feb/25/green-hellebores (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/gardening-blog/2014/feb/25/green-hellebores)
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Thanks Maggi.
Has anybody managed to keep Helleborus x sternii 'Silver Dollar' alive? I have tried and failed three times.
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Some nice unnamed semi-double Helleborus x hybridus from the Ashwood Garden Hybrids series today.
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One more, and Helleborus torquatus.
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Here's a selected form of Helleborus torquatus from Germany: Helleborus torquatus 'Grünfink JP'.
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Looking at the image of H. torquatus, am wondering if this has some genes from it.
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Helleborus purpurescens with snowdrop Natalie Garton
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My first post on the forum , a couple of species to start , first is Atrorubens , second is a torquatus from Will Mclewin seed which has surprised me and flowered after 3 years, WM21.12
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Welcome Peter!
I wonder if your McLewin torquatus seedling will be as vigorous as it is precocious? It'll be a winner if it is.
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Helleborus x hybridus
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I've had this plant a long time but sadly have no record of its provenance.
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My first post on the forum , a couple of species to start , first is Atrorubens , second is a torquatus from Will Mclewin seed which has surprised me and flowered after 3 years, WM21.12
Very nice Peter!
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Helleborus x hybridus
I've had this plant a long time but sadly have no record of its provenance.
Impressive flower Steve, well photographed.
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1. Helleborus lividus Hort., 2. Helleborus lividus 'Purple Ear'. Both these are mass produced and available in many garden centres; not of known wild provenance.
3. Another German cultivar, Helleborus torquatus 'Flamingo JP'
4. The diminutive Helleborus dumetorum TCM 09.304, a Tom Mitchell collection.
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The weather has given my Hellebores a real beating this season and some of them are a little past their best now. Since I wanted to picture them for my own records I've posted them here. Most are Harvington Hybrids with just a couple grown from my own collected seed.
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... and some more
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..... final few
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Nice selection, David - can't have too many - as I keep trying to convince Ian! Only a few out here so far but they're all looking promising so far.
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Nice selection, David - can't have too many - as I keep trying to convince Ian! Only a few out here so far but they're all looking promising so far.
Correct! You can't have too many hellebores!
Nice ones David, especially the semi-doubles.
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Thanks Maggi and Ralph, I hope next year to have flowers on a couple of seedlings Stella Tracey gave me from seed collected from her best very dark forms. Haven't managed to get to Rodney Davey's Nursery yet!
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you have obviously been busy David
keep sowing
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My second post and a few hybrids
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Helleborus abhasicus is the first to flower here, all the others are still in bud.
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Three more hybrids and 2 croaticus
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Lovely Peter.
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Stunningly beautiful flowers, David, Peter, Ralph!
Two named varieties from my garden:
'Frühlingsglut'
'Rock n Roll'
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Stunning plants.
Is there a specialist which would like to have a look at some Helleborus grown from seeds (collected in the wild in Middle-Italy)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11564.msg298691#msg298691 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11564.msg298691#msg298691)
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And here are 3 fom our garden today,the speckled one was bought, the other two have been the product of nature,and I had not even noticed them ,Jan pointed them out to me
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Really nice blooms , I think hbore2 is exceptional , right up my street , love it.
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Three crackers there Chas.
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This is the first of the newer Hellebore hybrids that I bought, simply as Helleborus x ericsmithii, no cultivar name. Quite big now.
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Nice plant Ralph , this is my first attempt at the ericsmithii cross , best one of about 30 plants
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A few from my test beds , scented primrose spotted , nice pink and a good double
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One of my seedlings from an Ashwood plant. This strain is called Neon
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One of my seedlings from an Ashwood plant. This strain is called Neon
That is spectacular!
And on top of the color the flowers look sideways, so you can see them.
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One of my seedlings from an Ashwood plant. This strain is called Neon
Look, Ashwood sent me a cousin this year ;D
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And a second plant from Ashwood
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I like those great "cousins" from the Neon strain.
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Look, Ashwood sent me a cousin this year ;D
Thanks Maggi and Leena
Save the seed Irm or maybe make a cross with a picotee or a good yellow you never know I have some interesting ones coming on ;)
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Save the seed Irm
oh yes, that's the reason why I ordered from Ashwood this year. It's very expensive, shipping costs 45 Pounds ::)
But look:
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.. and ;D
two flowering plants, two without flowers.
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great plants - great parcel - great cat!
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A couple from last season which did not flower this year :'(
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Oh Peter, that yellow is a real beauty- I do hope it will thrive and flower for you again.
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These yellows from ashwoods breed true providing they're selfed or intercrossed.
They are pretty much all the same colour.
The bright yellow colour is linked with paler foliage and it is possible to pick these out in batches of young seedlings.
I find that they are slower growers than other hybrids and more prone to rots, so I keep mine in slightly drier areas.
Kevin at ashwoods told me that a small proportion of them turn out to be pure yellows without any red at all, but I haven't found one yet!
David
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Having a semi woodland garden I thought hellebores would like my spot. That generally appeared not to be true. I bought different plant in Poland so I thought they should do well. But this was not true - they suffer from winter frost significantly when there is no snow cover. I lost most of them completely. The others suffer almost every year. Previous year leaves become more or less injured, but what is even worse - flower stalks are injured, too. And this is despite the fact that they do not develop significantly before spring in our colder climate.
This winter was mild - minimum temp only -16 C, but without snow. Here you can see a flower with frost injury with injured stalk leaf. This is probably some kind of fertile hybrid or Helleborus niger.
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Despite injuries, I have multiple seedlings.
The hellebore that behaves perfectly is only this sterile hybrid widely available in commerce in Poland:
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I believe this is H. sternii, but there was no name on it. Neither old foliage nor flower stalks are damaged by frosts down to -30 C without snow cover. Additional bonus are somewhat upwards facing flowers.
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This winter has been hard on some of my hellebores, too. First we had a very mild December and January and many plants started to grow early, then in mid January came cold, about -20° at the most, and first without snow but then we got some snow. The Hellebore niger plants which had started to flower in December lost all the flowers and some of the Helleborus x hybrids which had well-developed buds also got damaged. Luckily most of the hybrids were not so far into growing that they were ok and now have buds coming up. Most of the leaves of the hybrids got damaged, but I cut them away anyway in the spring, so it doesn't matter to me.
I think the trouble was the warm December and the beginning of the year, normally the plants stay dormant until the real spring comes.
My late flowering Helleborus niger is now coming up with buds, it is a good plant in a year like this.
Helleborus abhasicus survived the January and February, even with big flower buds, but then the snow melted and it got little warmer, H.abhasicus started to flower in the beginning of March, and then we had a week of cold, -12°C at the most and even though I had covered the plant, most of the flowers had frozen and died, only two small flowers survived. :(
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Had my first case of Helleborus net necrosis virus in the garden. Scary! Infected plants (two) now en route to municipal incinerator.
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Visited to Ingrams' inspirational garden Copton Ash today, and saw this little beauty. Helleborus torquatus Tinkerbell Group, bred by Robin White.
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Had my first case of Helleborus net necrosis virus in the garden. Scary! Infected plants (two) now en route to municipal incinerator.
Found another infected plant; here it is just before destruction.
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Can you describe the symptons please Ralph?
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Found another infected plant; here it is just before destruction.
We've found two plants showing symptoms this week. It's been eighteen months since we last saw it. Almost impossible to eradicate whilst maintaining a collection of hellebores because plants can be infected and infectious for many months without showing any symptoms. Sorry to see it on your plants, Ralph.
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Can you describe the symptons please Ralph?
Stunted and deformed plants with characteristic black netting pattern on leaves. See also https://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/Profile.aspx?pid=167
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Many thanks Ralph.
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Bad luck Ralph
Here one from me H torquatus
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Thanks. Those who would know more about this disease can look here: http://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/abs/10.1094/PDIS-93-4-0332 (http://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/abs/10.1094/PDIS-93-4-0332)
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H. vesicarius growing outside has set plenty of seed this year.
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That looks fantastic Tim , is it down to drainage where it is planted or do you cover it at some point ?
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Thanks, Peter. The plant is growing is very well drained soil - many years ago, the previous owner of the house brought in several tonnes of soil in an attempt to build a rockery. The soil is full of grit, sand, small and large stones, lumps of tarmac, etc. and a lot of plants struggle in it. The H. vesicarius grow very well in it - the plan is to have a drift of them. It's a ten year plan!
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Nice bronzed juvenile foliage on Helleborus cyclophyllus on Mt Vermion Northern Greece last week.
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This is my nicest new Helleborus flowering for the first time this spring. it is grown from Ashwood seeds (Yellow incl red flush dark nectaries), obviously it is not yellow but I think it is even nicer than yellow. :)
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Lovely, Leena, I can see why that is a favourite for you! A very special colour :o.
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Thanks Bolinopsis, the color is different than in any of my other hellebores (so far) and I like the single flowers, they look sideways and are not drooping. :)
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Hello Leena and all,
Just catching up with this topic....some nice Hellebores to be seen and especially the species.
Leena you do have some nice Hellebores, that is a nice one. You'll find that the ones with short pedicels or flower stalk makes the flowers face outwards or even up and theres the ones that have stalks like swans that hang like bells. I like them both.
cheers
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Leena you do have some nice Hellebores, that is a nice one. You'll find that the ones with short pedicels or flower stalk makes the flowers face outwards or even up and theres the ones that have stalks like swans that hang like bells. I like them both.
Thanks. :)
Now that you said that about pedicels, yes of course that is so, I just didn't think about why the flowers face down or sideways. I have to learn to look my plants more closely and also to enjoy the hanging bell-like flowers. :)
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A fragment of my collection of Helleborus hybr. . There are molds of various shapes and colors of flowers. Also spotted with flowers, double and anemone forms.
kot
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Leana
Looks like an escapee from their new Sunrise/Sunset/Daybreak strains
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Kot, you have a lot of hellebore, it must be a very nice view when they are all flowering.
Leana
Looks like an escapee from their new Sunrise/Sunset/Daybreak strains
I googled them and yes it does, good luck for me. :)
This yellow came from the same seed batch as the red one.
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Some more or my hellebores flowering right now.
First an old Blue Metallic Lady and then three hellebores grown from Ashwood seeds. The clear pink came from Ashwood Purple- seeds, and the two others from Ashwood Apricot/Peach- seeds, all very nice hellebores.
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These two plants I have grown from seeds a friend of mine collected from the mountains in Croatia when she was on holiday there. I can't wait for them to flower so I could see what the flower looks like and what species they might be. :)
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Hi Leena
An educated guess by looking at the foliage I would say odorus ! you have many very fine plants in your previous posts .
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Hi Leena
An educated guess by looking at the foliage I would say odorus ! you have many very fine plants in your previous posts .
Thank you Peter! I was hoping someone would identify these from foliage :), which is very nice even without flowers, but hopefully these are so big now that they will flower next year.
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These two plants I have grown from seeds a friend of mine collected from the mountains in Croatia when she was on holiday there. I can't wait for them to flower so I could see what the flower looks like and what species they might be. :)
Just to add some confusion to the id. The leaves look very like a plant I have as H croaticus.
Nice plants Leena and nice to see fresh flowers at this time
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Thanks Ian.
I forgot to add that these plants are deciduous, they go underground in early autumn and come up again in the spring unlike my Helleborus x hybridus which keep their leaves all winter. Does this fit to either H.croaticus or H.odorus?
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Thanks Ian.
I forgot to add that these plants are deciduous, they go underground in early autumn and come up again in the spring unlike my Helleborus x hybridus which keep their leaves all winter. Does this fit to either H.croaticus or H.odorus?
Leena I think both. When it flowers you will know ;)
As the distribution I think overlaps perhaps one of the expert lurkers might give an opinion?
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Try Tom Mitchell at Evolution Plants.
Edit by maggi : Evolution Plants has closed down.
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Leena
Both croaticus and odorus are deciduous, the flower colour and possibly size will give the definitive answer, odorus will be green while croatocus often has red overlays.
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Can your friend who collected the seed recall where the seed was collected ,this mAay assist ID?
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Thank you, I will have to be patient and wait for the flowers. :)
I had in my notes that the seeds were collected in mountains near Plitvice, but that is all I know.
The person who collected the seeds is not a close friend, I met her through plant exchange in Finland, and recently she has not been active in the gardening forum in Finland.
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Leena
Do not profess to be a species expert but the area the seed was collected from was Croatica so could be either species.
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If the location data is accurate, it can't be H. croaticus, Leena. That species has an extremely limited distribution in NE Croatia (close to Slatina), a long way from Plitvice.
H. odorus doesn't grow around Plitvice either. The closest odorus I know of are just north of Zagreb, or much further east in Bosnia.
Plants from the torquatus/multifidus complex grow in the Plitvice area - are the plants still relatively young? Maybe the foliage will become more divided with age. Having said that, I have seen mature plants in colonies in that area which don't have divided foliage and would pass for examples of odorus.
'Plitvice area' is open to interpretation too, I suppose....
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Thank you Tim. :) The plants are young and the bed where they are growing is perhaps too dry for Helleborus, it is under small cherries which roots suck up the moisture in the summer. I'll try to water them better this summer and hope that they will flower next year, I don't want to move them now when they are in full leaf. There are differences in the leaves of the two plants, the other has some more leaflets than the other.
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My last Hellebore flowering for me. I always think its sad to see the flowers go over.
Angie :)
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This Helleborus torquatus has been blooming non-stop for over six months. Hope it's not on its way out!
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Well it looks very healthy Ralph. Perhaps it enjoys apples? :)
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Well it looks very healthy Ralph. Perhaps it enjoys apples? :)
When my wife said that we had had a windfall, didn't realise that this was what she meant!
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Hellebore season seems to have started with the first flower on Helleborus 'Walberton's Rosemary'.
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In the garden today, two hellebores from Staudengärtnerei Peters in Germany are flowering. The first was bought from them as Helleborus x hybridus 'SP Emma', in the Spring Promise series. It looks more like Helleborus niger, and I see from their website that they now sell it as Helleborus x nigercors 'Emma'. Secondly, this one was bought as Helleborus x glandorfii Pink Large Flowered, but H. x glandorfii no longer appears on their website and I suspect that they have reclassified this as Helleborus x lemonnieri.
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I see Long Acre Plants are offering H.'Emma' as Helleborus x ericsmithii. By the look of the plant this seems likely to me. H. x ericsmithii is H. niger x H. x sternii (H. lividus x H. argutifolius), so involving three species as parents. H. nigercors is H. niger x H. argutifolius. Peters seem to have reclassified all the plants they sold as H. glandorfii as H. lemonnieri. H. x glandorfii is H. niger x H. atrorubens; H. x lemonnieri is H. niger var. macranthus x H. orientalis subsp. abchasicus. So is the real H. x glandorfii out there somewhere?
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From the Archibald Archive on the main SRGC Site :
'Raiser unknown: Eric Smith, a plantsman' In this article, originally published by the Hardy Plant Society in 2000, Jim Archibald writes of some of the plants raised and named by Eric Smith and by himself. Jim's text is illustrated here with photos added of a selection of those plants. Kind thanks to SRGC Forumists and all who have allowed the use of their photographs.
http://files.srgc.net/archibald/writings/Raiser_unknown_Eric_Smith_a_plantsman_JCA.pdf (http://files.srgc.net/archibald/writings/Raiser_unknown_Eric_Smith_a_plantsman_JCA.pdf)
About Helleborus x ericsmithii' : " Eric is commemorated in the name Helleborus x ericsmithii,
under which Brian Mathew described the hybrid H. niger x H. x sternii, which Eric was probably the
first to make. The cross was actually the result of a failure to produce H. x nigercors, a cross which Eric
never managed to repeat. Having failed with H. argutifolius as a pollen-parent, he tried its hybrid most
successfully."
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Thanks for that information Maggi. Helleborus foetidus is always reliable at this time of year and it is nice to see it on a sunny Christmas Day.