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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: johnralphcarpenter on January 02, 2014, 07:14:18 PM
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Iris unguicularis has its first flowers this winter.
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This clump of Iris unguicularis seems to be enjoying the mild weather and is especially floriferous.
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It seems a good rich colour form too Ralph. I think some are a bit bland, myself, though I'm not complaining about anything which flowers in winter. :)
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It's one iris I wouldn't be without, in all its forms.
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Lots of buds on this Iris unguicularis being brought out by todays bright sun, this form is from just North of Sparta and is a good garden plant.
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Quite a "long" bloom on that form, Melvyn - especially elegant.
We struggle to get I. unguicularis to thrive here at all - a mattter of much regret. We just do not have a suitable spot for them - SIGH! The best we can do is a plant hanging on for grim death, with one flower in ten years if we're lucky - BIGGER SIGH !!
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Lots of buds on this Iris unguicularis being brought out by todays bright sun, this form is from just North of Sparta and is a good garden plant.
It's a lovely colour and your photograph would make a fine print Melvyn it is so clean looking!
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You've said what I was going to say Brian. It's a really great shade, so deep and rich and yes, the flower is very elegant. Maybe Melvyn, you'd make a bigger picture with more flowers? In which case, may I borrow it please? It's hard to get a good picture without tatty foliage and the flowers are often floppy.
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Yes very happy to Lesley but cannot yet. I had to pick that flower and bring indoors today because the plant has been so knocked about by the persistent heavy rain that we have had that it was the only way to photograph the flower intact. With more rain forecast I am not sure when I will be able to get a decent photograph of the plant. In the meantime if you want to borrow this image you are welcome.
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That's very kind of you Melvyn. I don't need it at present but recently have quite often found myself attached to a sheaf of pages containing Iris notes. So maybe later this year.
An Auckland friend has just sent me 3 large packets of different Iris ensata forms. There are literally many hundreds of seeds. I'm thinking of growing as many as possible on then asking the local council if I can make some mass plantings in the area. They would make a really great display in public places.
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Iris unguicularis 'Abington Purple' looking rather battered after all the weather. I think the Narcissus are 'February Gold'.
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Iris lazica, a clump that needs dividing!
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Iris lazica, a clump that needs dividing!
And aren't they the Devil's own job to photograph too. When I split mine around three years ago it sulked for two years without flowering. Mind you I gave it a right slathering (Good old Yorkshire word for taking a lot off!) It's been in flower since before Christmas though.
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Iris Xiphium starts to flower together with a couple of small relatives; Morea sisyrinchium & M. mediterranea
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Gorgeous :P
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Iris lactea is one of the first to flower here.
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Very nice Ralph. Quite rare in gardens now I would have thought?
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Very nice Ralph. Quite rare in gardens now I would have thought?
Is it? It spreads nicely here.
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I love this iris species as it is so tough here and the leaves stay green all summer.
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It's far from common in NZ but I've seen a few plants recently. It's always been a favourite with me for its lovely blue and silvery combination. I grew seeds of a so-called dwarf form a couple of years back but they seem as tall as other forms I have. Not much seed on any of them so far yet I remember my mother regularly had seed on hers years ago.
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I remember a little while ago, perhaps late last year or early this, some small discussion about I. 'Gerald Derby' after I had seen a wonderful, 6ft-wide patch at my friend Susan's garden. Following an Iris seminar at Timaru last weekend (Saturday), when I stayed with a friend for a couple of nights, I received from her an exciting parcel, apparently a bottle of wine, in a cardboard wine box of the kind available from NZ Post, and appropriately heavy at the base of the parcel. I wasn't sure why she'd be sending me wine, but hey, why would I argue?
When I opened the box it wasn't wine after all but not disappointed at all because it was a lovely and quite large plant of 'Gerald Derby.' It also contained a re-blooming bearded form of a pure gold which I had admired at the local TB trial garden, in bloom mid autumn, and my toothbrush and paste which I'd left behind me. Fortunately I had spares at home.
This autumn seminar is an annual event hosted by the South Canterbury Iris Group of NZIS and always popular and excellent value. I was able to buy I. maritima at the salestable and some others, ate delicious food supplied by local members and was given 2 (!) seeds, all it had produced, of the tiny Iris setosa var arctica forma platyryncha (I think this is right). It grows to only about 6cms in flower, so perfect for a trough. All that combined with a couple of bottles of red wine with my friend and another iris friend before we ate on the Friday evening, made for a lovely weekend catching up and making new friends, as you do.
On the way home on the Sunday I had been invited to call on another attendee at the Seminar because she had a spare plant of Papaver or. 'Patty's Plum' which she offered me. This is a gorgeous form but some offered here have not been true to name and so I was thrilled to get this one. I felt the weekend made up for some very frustrating events in my life recently.
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What an excellent iris weekend Lesley and the extras would have been very welcome.
Just back to Iris lactea - some forms and some years seed is in abundance but other years not so many at all.
I too had the dwarf form and it may have been slightly smaller. There is also difference in the intensity of blue between clumps. This year I must pick a bunch from the different clumps for comparison.
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It would be useful Pat if you could gather different forms of lactea and take a picture of them together. It's such a pretty iris and only rarely seen here.
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Wild Iris pseudacorus growing on Romney Marsh, Kent.
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That is very attractive Ralph. Nothing looks better than plants growing in the wild (though our MAF and their cohorts HATE I. pseudocorus because it can clog waterways). I have some seedlings of Iris sibirica from seed collected in north Russia. I need to get a pond and creek built in time to plant them out. :)
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Iris sanguinea I think; or maybe an Iris siberica cv.
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A Pacific Coast hybrid. Does anyone recognise it? I was wondering if it could be 'Pinewood Charmer' as illustrated in Stebbings but can't find a photo on the web to compare.
Erle
Anglesey
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The best we can do is a plant hanging on for grim death, with one flower in ten years if we're lucky - BIGGER SIGH !!
I can beat that! Never had a flower on my I. u. cretensis
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Iris Broadleigh 'Sybil'
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Iris Broadleigh 'Sybil'
LOL Yann...did you visit Koen's stand at Beervelde ;)
Beautiful Iris, bought one too!
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No Wim i got it from another source. I know that it was also sold at Celles.
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Broadleigh Sybil's sister: Broadleigh Rose
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and this was given to me - I presume it is Iris graminea ?
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Hi Brian it does look like the plum tart iris, to be sure have a good sniff, it has a really great scent.
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Here is the first flower of the season on my Siberian iris, I think it is perry's blue. I have had it that long I have lost the lable.
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Hi Brian it does look like the plum tart iris, to be sure have a good sniff, it has a really great scent.
gerraway! Does it really smell of plum tart?
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It's just the common name for it Maggi, but the scent does remind me of plums.
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gerraway! Does it really smell of plum tart?
Some say of greengages, some say of apricots. Certainly greengages seems to me about right. Depends on one's sense of smell I suppose. Whatever, the scent is delicious and even though the iris is a delight on its own account, it's worth growing for the scent alone. Vita Sackville-West kept a small vase of the blooms on her writing desk all through its bloom season, and I always pick a few for the same reason.
There's a variety called I. g. pseudocyperus (it may have specific rank by now, not sure) which is the same in every respect except that the flower stems are longer and so are usually above the foliage which tends to hide the blooms of the species. It's a favourite of mine.
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I have just received my Online copy of the Bulletin of the Society for Pacific Coast Native irises. I can highly recommend membership of this group for any iris lover. The Online membership is excellent value with a much lower subscription and access to a fabulous seedlist as well as the full colour journals/bulletins. The irises pictured there are stunning - the only possible word for them. The Society deals with the PC species of course and their inter-species hybrids but also highlights the work of breeders of modern forms in amazing colours and some incredible forms and textures. These include a couple of NZ breeders I'm happy to say and as an NZIS member, I'll have access to Mary Barrell's seedlings at the Nov Convention of NZIS in Hamilton. Mary is selling a lot of her named seedlings, the proceeds going to NZIS.
The Online Bulletin of the PC Society also, this time, has a lot of information about a group largely new to NZers, called Cal-Sibes, crosses between compatible PCs and the Sibirica group. Some people aren't keen on hybrids but these look to have great potential as great garden plants. Growing both groups well here in the south of NZ, I intend to be weilding a pollen brush this next bloom season and we'll see what we shall see. ;D Apparently any of the Siberians can be used, such as chrysographes, forrestii, wilsonii as well as the taller species. The possibilities are endless and the hybrids shown have very attractive colouring and markings as well as graceful yet strong form.
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gerraway! Does it really smell of plum tart?
One cut stem in the house, yes it does ;D Sort of plum/almond - frangipane :D
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Thanks for the scent updates- I had not heard that common name and you know how food orientated I am! ::) :D
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Lesley- sounds like good advice for Iris lovers - here's the link http://www.pacificcoastiris.org/ (http://www.pacificcoastiris.org/)
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Thanks for the scent updates- I had not heard that common name and you know how food orientated I am! ::) :D
Really?? ;D ;D A visitor this morning was prompted to smell it and, without any prompting, said it reminded her of Victoria Plums.
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Hi here is my Iris graminea with it's first flower of the year, and maggi it has a rich plum scent ;)
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A couple from the garden today:-
Iris innominata grown from seed.
Also grown from seed supplied as Iris bracteata but ID'd last year by Fermi as a Pacific Coast hybrid. Sorry about the dark pictures.
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PCIs are looking good just now.
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It's certainly Iris time! Iris wilsonii, Iris setosa, an Iris spuria cultivar, Iris 'Holden Clough', Iris 'Gerald Darby'.
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And a lost label Iris siberica cultivar.
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Here are some iris in flower in my garden at the moment, first is a water iris, I'm not sure what variety it is but it has a lovely flower. Second is a bulbous iris, again I don't know its name, but still a great flower. Last is iris chrysograghes, with a lovely dark flower.
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I have just received my Online copy of the Bulletin of the Society for Pacific Coast Native irises. I can highly recommend membership of this group for any iris lover. The Online membership is excellent value with a much lower subscription and access to a fabulous seedlist as well as the full colour journals/bulletins. The irises pictured there are stunning - the only possible word for them. The Society deals with the PC species of course and their inter-species hybrids but also highlights the work of breeders of modern forms in amazing colours and some incredible forms and textures.
Lesley, I agree on the great value of the SPCNI. Here is a first bloom seedling I grew from the 2012-13 edition of their seed exchange. It is a primary hybrid- Iris innominata x Iris tenax, and I am thrilled with the results! Last year was the first time we moved any of these out into the landscape- and then promptly had the coldest winter in decades (we frequently woke to -21C mornings, and had more then a few weeks with daytime highs reaching -15 C. Some of the foliage browned a bit on our seedling of 'Canyon Snow', but it is getting ready to bloom.
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Iris setosa arctica today.
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Iris tectorum 'Alba'
Iris setosa alba - I was worried when I saw the dark bud sheaths that it might not be white
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I have this labelled as Iris species ex Korea. Any suggestions? Iris koreana? Slender stems, flowering at 65cms tall, narrow leaves.
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Iris versicolor var. kermesina, Iris siberica 'Perfect Vision', Iris siberica 'Annemaria Troeger'.
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Johnstephen, I think iris no 2 in your post is Black Beauty?
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Our second Pacific Iris seedling has bloomed. It ought to have bloomed last year, but it seems keeping it in an unheated greenhouse for the year made it choose vegetative growth at the expense of flowers. I moved it out into the garden early this year (before aforementioned greenhouse became hot house), and here are the results: open pollinated seedling of Iris 'Harland Hand' (pollen parent unknown, but obviously a much fuller flower than Harland produces!)
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That's a beauty Gordon...
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What a wonderful selection of irises to come home to, nothing out here at all among irises tho' I. ret. 'Harmony 'is well up and will flower soon among Cyclamen coum. Chris your white setosa is super and I think the dark sheathes enhance, don't you? For the Korean yellow, we need the thoughts of Mark McD in the States (Onion Man), who grows many of those somewhat obscure south east Asian species.
Chris again, how tall in flower is your I set. arctica please?
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Some Irises from the garden today where it is wild and windy.
Iris chrysographes a very dark form
Iris clarkei
Iris spuria ssp. maritima
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Very nice David
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Iris spuria ssp. maritima
David,
I have one seedling left from the batch I raised from the seed you sent - seems they don't appreciate 40oC temperatures!
Hopefully I can post a pic in a couple of years time of the survivor in flower,
cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
Will send you another batch later in the year and this time I'll instruct 'em to love Oz!
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Iris versicolor, I think.
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Back to the "Iris species ex Korea" that I mentioned a few posts ago; here are some more pictures in the hope that somebody can identify.
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One more...
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Thanks chrisB I've had that iris for ages, the label has faded badly and I couldn't remember what sort it was so thanks for telling what variety it was. Make a fresh label now :)
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Back to the "Iris species ex Korea" that I mentioned a few posts ago; here are some more pictures in the hope that somebody can identify.
Ralph, this is the sort of thing Lesley usually excels at this sort of thing.
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Aren't you a sweetie David? :)
I'm at a loss with this one. I've not grown any of the Korean species except I. minutoaurea and I still think we need Mark McD from Massachusetts, who posted a number of species way back in 20??. Sorry to be unhelpful with that; my searches are never very successful.
The yellow pictured above, has, in the last picture, the look of I pseudacorus, especially at the hafts, but is probably not nearly tall enough and in any case doesn't come from Korea, as far as I know though any species which is native to eastern China and to Japan, could, I imagine, be native in Korea as well. I'd really like to have an ID for this one too, as any "new" one to me is quite exciting. I'll see if some of my iris friends can help at all.
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Thanks Lesley; I emailed Jim Waddick, co-author of "Iris of China", as follows:
"Hello Jim, I garden in Kent, UK and have been growing Iris for around 30 years. I recently joined PBS which is where I got your email address.
I bought your book "Iris of China" when it was published. A few years ago I acquired a plant labelled as "Iris species ex Korea". It has just flowered for the first time and I am trying to identify it. I attach some photos; could it be Iris koreana? Your book says it is not in cultivation but things may have moved on since then. To me it looks like a more delicate version of Iris wilsonii. Flowering at around 18 inches tall."
He replied:
"At first I thought you had a fine plant of I. koreana which is now fairly wide spread in cultivation at least among species aficionados and in the US. Joe Pye Weed Gardens has sold 2 or 3 forms for a number of years now.
At first I thought you might actually have this species, but the killer was "18 in tall". This is WAY too tall. I think your pix are the far more familiar and some what weedy I pseudacorus. It is almost world wide either as a native or introduced invasive. It can get much bigger. The true I koreana would be less than half of this height at its highest.
So sorry as the plants/flowers look kind of similar without a good measure or scale."
So it seems I have another form of Iris pseudacorus!
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Well that was quite clever of me wasn't it? Not really as my I. pseudacorus thought was based entirely on what I saw, not on any real knowledge of the plants themselves. Pseudacorus grows here to about a metre I suppose so yours, if that's what it is, would be quite a low form which could be good. Here it's a prohibited import because of its ability to block waterways and general invasiveness, a shame because that means any hybrids are also prohibited as seed and I'd give my eyebrows for access to the magnificent Japanese "eyeshadow" irises, hybrids with a particular seedling of I. ensata and not invasive at all.
In the meantime, I have 30 new packets of iris seed to sow, from NZIS seedlist. :)
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A thought on Iris pseudacorus: when we bought our home in 2009, there was a yellow iris akin to a siberian in size, growing in one of the only perennial beds here. The bed was awkwardly positioned, so we moved the plants we wanted to keep, and the rest went out in the dustbin. When we moved the "Yellow Siberian" down beside the pond, it doubled in size, removing all doubt that what we had wasn't a siberian iris at all. Available moisture and soil type can really influence the size of Iris pseudacorus.
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Hello, guess who? :D
Long time no see you fine folks, once again swallowed up by an impossibly fast-paced job. I was gently prodded by Maggi to weigh in with this topic, so here I am :)
I agree that it looks like Iris pseudacorus, the ring of dark markings and shape/disposition of the flower are a close match, and stems much to tall to be koreana. Googling photos of I. psuadacorus show many medium-sized plants.
For comparison, here are 3 photos of the fabulous Iris koreana, a clone introduced by Darrell Probst from his many collecting trips. First one is a close-up, then an overall view taken 1 month ago (May 2014) where it flowered prolifically, and last, is seed collected a couple days ago. Most years I'm lucky to get 10 seeds, this year got lots more.
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......the fabulous Iris koreana
Hi Mark - well, you got that right - what a magnificent plant. It really likes your conditions to make such a big, well-flowered clump. A really "good" yellow colour too. 8)
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Wow :o
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Thanks so much Mark I was sure you'd be the right person for this puzzle. what a stunning plant is your I. koreana. Any chance of seed available soon?
And can anyone post a picture please preferably with some information regarding relationships, of I. cuniculiformis. It's not in either Kohlein or Mathew, and I can't find anything on Google except images which mostly look very like something from the Sibiricae which I don't think it is. I seems to remember a few years back plants or seed being available but they later turned out to be I. bulleyana or something similar. Or was that a purported I. goniocarpa? Dear Heaven, my memory is slipping badly lately. Anyway I've had a request for an ID of a plant and if I can save then post the picture, I will, shortly.
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Hopefully, here it is. It would be good to have some more foliage and an idea of size but perhaps the flower is enough to say "yea" or "nay" as to whether it is cuniculiformis.
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no pic but is this any help? From the American Iris Society:
Iris cuniculiformis Noltie & Guan (Henry Noltie & K.Y. Guan, 1995, NW Yunnan); Section Pseudoregelia (http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Main/InfoClassificationSectionPseudoregelia); Height 6-11"(14-27 cm); Lilac to pinkish violet flowers, 6-7 cm diameter, with white area around beard containing several dark purple spots; standards lighter, unmarked; white beard tipped yellow or grey, arising from ridge-like crest. Described in The New Plantsman, p. 131-132, Sept. 1995. syn. Iris goniocarpa var. grossa Zhao.
From e-floras
56. Iris cuniculiformis Noltie & K. Y. Guan in Noltie, New Plantsman. 2: 131. 1995.
大锐果鸢尾 da rui guo yuan wei
Description from Flora of China
Iris goniocarpa Baker var. grossa Y. T. Zhao.
Plants clump-forming. Rhizomes erect, very short. Leaves dull green, linear, 13.5--30 cm × 2--9 mm, midvein obscure, apex slightly curved, abruptly contracted, minutely acute. Flowering stems 14--30 cm, base with 2 or more leaflike bracts; spathes 2, purplish brown basally, green distally, elliptic, 3--5 cm, 1-flowered, apex recurved, subacute to acute, membranous. Flowers lilac to pinkish violet, 6--7 cm in diam. Perianth tube 1--2 cm, stout; outer segments with deep purple mottling on whitish area around beard, 4.3--5.5 × 1.9--2.3 cm, limb oblong, beard of white-based, yellow-tipped hairs, apex truncate; inner segments erect, 3--4 × 1--1.2 cm, limb oblong, apex retuse or truncate. Anthers cream, 1--1.4 cm. Style branches 2.8--3.3 cm. Fl. May--Jul, fr. Jun--Aug.
* Grassy plateaus; 3100--4000 m. Sichuan, Yunnan.
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Turns out Ron McBeath was one of the team who collected this holotype for the RBGE in 1993 - you can download a copy of that holotype sheet, or just study it online, here : http://elmer.rbge.org.uk/bgbase/vherb/bgbasevherb.php?cfg=bgbase/vherb/zoom.cfg&filename=E00003182.zip&queryRow=1 (http://elmer.rbge.org.uk/bgbase/vherb/bgbasevherb.php?cfg=bgbase/vherb/zoom.cfg&filename=E00003182.zip&queryRow=1)
Kunming, Edinburgh, Gothenburg Expedition (1993), #1205
Collection date 1993/6/12
Looks to be a dainty thing - and the sheet shows the rhizome, which might be a good help with the ID ?
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Harry Jans has a photo from the wild in 2011 which seems likely to be accurate: http://www.jansalpines.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=29081 (http://www.jansalpines.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=29081)
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Thanks so much Maggi. Your posts are very helpful indeed and I think show clearly that the picture I posted is NOT cuniculiformis. I'll pass this information along to my contact.
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Here is another water iris that has come into flower, sorry I don't know what variety it is as the label was lost long ago. Also in flower is Iris foetidissima a british native, it has common names such as Gladwyn Iris and Stinking Iris. I'm hoping i'll get some berries for some winter colour later.
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John, for some reason I am unable to enlarge your pictures by clicking on them but from the very small size, I think the first, pink one may be Iris ensata 'Rose Queen.' It has a lovely form, slightly drooping though not limply, if you see what I mean. It's one of my favourites. I have recently come to like all of the ensatas but the big, blousey, six petalled or double forms, less than the simpler elegance of 'Rose Queen.'
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Thanks Lesley when you mentiond snow queen something clicked, I'll get a new label wrote up straight away. I took the photo with my iPhone, maybe I should try with my ipad see if that takes a better photo. These water iris make really great plants, to be honest I'm a bit iris mad, I have them all over the garden.
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I think John's photos are not enlarging because they are a .png file which is showing full size already.
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Unfortunately we aren't the only ones to enjoy the white winter iris - the slugs have been out in force this winter >:(
cheers
fermi
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Can't believe that you are having the same infestation of slugs and snails 12 thousand miles away as we are here - I though last year was bad but this is MUCH worse! :'( >:(
That Iris is still beautiful - the purest white contrasted with the sharp yellow - just lovely.
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Is this a white unguicularis Fermi?
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Is this a white unguicularis Fermi?
Hi Lesley,
I called it the "white winter iris" in the text but labelled the pic as Iris unguicularis Alba,
cheers
fermi
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So you did Fermi, I think I need new glasses! :-[
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Here is another picture of Iris Ensata Rose Queen, it is looking really great at the moment.
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Tiny postage-sized photo John, can you post a larger image.
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I could kick myself, we've been rushing around and I've only just thought to take this photo so it's going over. I bought this last week as Iris 'Kimo No Obi', I know it's not as I have it already - a lovely dark colour! Is it variable or is this wrongly labelled, and, if so, does anyone know what it should be called? In the self same place was one labelled as 'Innosense' (not my spelling) which looked like this one, on the web the photo of 'Innocence' shows a pure white so I guess it is not that either. Any thoughts?
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No ideas from me I'm afraid Brian (consider yourself kicked ;D) I'm only at the beginning of a love affair with the Japanese irises. Hope I live long enough for it to come to some sort of fruition, and for me to know that my passion is returned. :-* :-* :-* ;D
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Iris bulleyana, seeds for this plant came from wild (Beima Xue Shan) some years ago.
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No ideas from me I'm afraid Brian (consider yourself kicked ;D) I'm only at the beginning of a love affair with the Japanese irises. Hope I live long enough for it to come to some sort of fruition, and for me to know that my passion is returned. :-* :-* :-* ;D
Ouch! One thing I have discovered is that there seems to be a lot of confusion in the trade, you only have to look at one variety on Google and different nurseries have different pictures attached to it! The renowned nursery this was from admitted to finding it difficult to differentiate between 'Innocence' and 'Kimo No Obi' yet they are totally different ::) I hope you are enjoying looking at the plants and not doing too much :-*
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I wonder why, in Europe, Ensatas are much more popular than Louisianas
Are Louisianas not hardier than ensatas?
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I think Louisiana Iris have not been readily available - at least where I have been. They seem to be 'new' here?
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I suspect Louisianas may not be best suited for British and maybe French conditions. They grow superbly here in New Zealand and in Australia but in warm and very humid areas such as around Auckland or Sydney and the far - tropical - north of the country (NZ). Their name says it all really. Their ancestors are swamp plants and if you have an alligator handy, that would make them feel at home. ;D They love wet or very warm and humid SUMMER conditions and a drier - but not really dry - winter. I can grow the plants really well but rarely get flowers while my sister in Tauranga and not by any means a gardener, has some magnificent clumps which bloom madly. Having said that, a friend in North Otago just maybe 120 kms north of me, and with a much drier summer, grows and flowers them quite well. They are truly gorgeous and there are at least a couple of good NZ nurseries for them and more in Oz.
The ensatas are quite as hardy (much hardier actually) but like reverse conditions. No, that's not right either. They love lots of moisture in spring and summer but not the heat to the same degree. Some are native as far north as Russia and I have some nice seed from there in the latest NZIS seed pool.
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Leena, I'm very interested in your iris above. Perhaps with that name it is a hybrid of Iris bulleyana with something else? I don't think bullesiana is a valid name.Have you any more information about it. How tall is it? Does it set seed itself?
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Brian, it's not surprising that the trade is confused by the named forms of Iris ensata. As with tall bearded irises (and more and more, dwarf and intermediate forms now too,) there are so many similar or identical to others This is because while the Japanese have been producing hybrids for many years, the Americans are doing likewise and inevitably breeding lines follow the same routes. so whatever comes from Japan will be replicated by American varieties. I don't know what's happening with them in the UK or Europe, if anything, but NZ and Australian breeders are diving in there too so there will be even greater confusion to come. Moreover, they set seed fairly freely and batches are released as X when they never should be, as they are, in fact, seedlings of X. It's that same old problem of plants not coming even visually, let alone genetically, true from seed but the growers of the seedlings failing to recognise that.
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Leena, I'm very interested in your iris above. Perhaps with that name it is a hybrid of Iris bulleyana with something else? I don't think bullesiana is a valid name.Have you any more information about it. How tall is it? Does it set seed itself?
Lesley, I'm sorry, my mistake with the name. :(
I had sown it 2009 from Remi Nielsen wild collected seeds with name Iris sp. = Iris bulleyana? (R. & N. 126, Østsiden av Beima Xue Shan. Benzilan. Yunnan, 3.463 m, 11/10.2008). Perhaps the leaves are about one meter, I will have to measure.
It sets seeds (I think I even sent some to the seed exchange two years ago with the name I.bulleyana), and I can send you seeds in the autumn. I sowed it's seeds two years ago, and they germinated only this spring, so it took two years for it to germinate.
I do have other irises, sibiricas and hybrids, but not close to this one, so I don't know how easily these hybridize.
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I suspect Louisianas may not be best suited for British and maybe French conditions...They love wet or very warm and humid SUMMER conditions and a drier - but not really dry - winter...a friend in North Otago just maybe 120 kms north of me, and with a much drier summer, grows and flowers them quite well.
The ensatas are quite as hardy (much hardier actually) but like reverse conditions. No, that's not right either. They love lots of moisture in spring and summer but not the heat to the same degree. Some are native as far north as Russia and I have some nice seed from there in the latest NZIS seed pool.
Well we certainly wouldn't have a wet summer and our winters are quite dry so that would preclude me from growing them successfully I guess.
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About the Louisianas
Here we had an exceptionally wet winter and spring and they grow in heavy soil.They are still fine ,but indeed I have to water them a lot in summer(it is 30°c today)
The cvs that I was able to find are not as showy as some shown on the forum.I guess they are old ones,close to the sps ,but may be it is like for the germanicas:the older de cvs ,the stronger they are!
Nevertheless,it would be nice if I could find new cvs in the neighbouring nurseries,but that isn't the case.
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About the Louisianas
... and they grow in heavy soil.
Aha, that also precludes me from growing them :(
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I'm not sure how to make them larger Mark, do you know how to?
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I'm not sure how to make them larger Mark, do you know how to?
While there is a size limit for pictures to be under 200kb for the forum, it is possible to have a photo at the recommended size of 760 pixels wide x 520 (or so) high that is within that size.
I think the easiest way to get your photos resized is to use the special tool that you can download and read about here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9993.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9993.0) - have a look at that and see if you find it handy. It will only work for Windows - it will not work on Macs, i-pads etc. but it's a natty thing!
For a Mac - It may have iPhoto? Forumists have said it is very easy to resize. You can crop with Preview and
crop in iPhoto also. (NB. Cropping is not the same as resizing though... though it will reduce the photo size by cutting off the outer parts of the photo.)
Hope this helps - Mark is good at explaining these things, if he's around !
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Here is a young Iris Tenax Oregon Iris plant that I have grown from seed, it is about a month old at the moment. The seed was sown last summer, has taken a whole year to germinate.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5565/14761815556_b7d40b69b5_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ousatj)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/ousatj) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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John , some of your photos are not enlarging- the Flickr message is saying the photo is private.
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Thanks for letting me know Maggi, I'll get it sorted.
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Hi Maggi sorry to disturb you, can you please tell me which ones are showing private as I've just clicked on them all and they are all showing for me which I guess they would. I'm still new to this flickr thing, I hadn't realised they were on private.
Hopefully it should be sorted now. ::)
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They all seem to be fine now John - don't know what you did but it worked ;D
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Like I said i'm new to this flickr carry on, I went on the site, had a look around & tweaked a bit :)
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Like I said i'm new to this flickr carry on, I went on the site, had a look around & tweaked a bit :)
Sounds like Ian's method on pc or new gadget - press a few buttons and see what happens ! ;D ;D
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As I've already remarked on the Southern Hemisphere page, I'm so pleased I belong to the "never throw out your iris seed pots" school. Not the junos and oncos anyway. Back in 2008 I was given 3 seeds of Iris stenophylla ssp. allisonii, by my friend Otto, sharing what he'd been given by a German contact. Sown right away in October that year, they have all germinated overnight, last night, after the good frosts and continual deluge of this winter. Of course no-one knows better than I that a seed germinated is a long way from a bulb in flower but one has to start somewhere. :)
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Like I said i'm new to this flickr carry on, I went on the site, had a look around & tweaked a bit :)
Hi John
The images open for me now but because we are remote and on very slow broadband, they take a long time to appear via Flickr.
Is it much of an issue for you to load the images direct with your text?
Chris
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Hi chris I was getting pics on there but they were small and you couldn't see much detail on them so I though Flickr might be better. What method do you use? It's all trial and error with new gadgets, I'm still getting used to this new iPad Air, I must have had it two months by now. The kids keep on laughing at me, no respect for there dad ;)
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Hi chris I was getting pics on there but they were small and you couldn't see much detail on them so I though Flickr might be better. What method do you use? It's all trial and error with new gadgets, I'm still getting used to this new iPad Air, I must have had it two months by now. The kids keep on laughing at me, no respect for there dad ;)
In this post the pix were a good size even without opening in flickr - http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12070.msg310844#msg310844 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12070.msg310844#msg310844) - wonder what you did then?
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Hi maggi on flickr you can choose from various sizes for you pics, the lilies were the first ones I tried, trial & error again. I picked the biggest size, when I saw them I though they might be too big & I was breaking the rules, if they are ok i'll go back to that size.
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I think that the lily route is the best way for you to go, John!
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Cheers Maggi
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Just got back to this one John. It seems Maggi has it covered.
Kids laugh at me too, and they're not even mine. ::)
Chris
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That's not too bad chris, the kids that laugh at me are, that makes it worse :)
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Hi Maggi sorry to bring the photo issue up again, i've just used the srgc photo resizer to see what it was like. it all worked well till i clicked on the posted pics and they were all blurred. Did i go wrong somewhere? Thanks John
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Hi Maggi sorry to bring the photo issue up again, i've just used the srgc photo resizer to see what it was like. it all worked well till i clicked on the posted pics and they were all blurred. Did i go wrong somewhere? Thanks John
As I mentioned in he cyclamen thread, I see the pixelation problem when the photos are enlarged but I do not know the reason.
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This is Iris unguicularis 'Purple Trinity,' an NZ raised form and registered, I think with AIS. It truly glows in the garden and seems to be free flowering, perhaps later than some other forms.
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Raised from seed sent from Forumist Diane in Canada, a couple of different PCIs
cheers
fermi
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Those are very nice Fermi. I think it takes a lot to beat a good clean, white iris. :)
Season is just really beginning here, so hopefully will be able to post some pictures over coming weeks. And on Oct 10-12 I'm going up to Timaru for a "Dwarf Iris Safari" so there will be pics from there. Looking forward to a couple of days away.
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Iris foettidissima showing off its berries. These should last awhile hopefully.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3948/15494079032_54947cf0f4_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15494079032/)
Iris Foetidissima Gladwyn Iris (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15494079032/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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A nice purple PCI
cheers
fermi
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Acouple of PCI I got from Heidi Blyth's iris nursery "Sunshine and Dirt",
'Sahara Sunset'
'S.S' and PCI 7-22-7
cheers
fermi
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Nice colours Fermi. The newer PCs from the States (and from NZ) are stunning plants, maybe not all to everyone's taste in some cases but definitely spectacular with incredible colour combinations and large, frilly and flounced flowers.
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Lesley,
PCIs seem to do best here where they get a little shade or shelter at the base of a deciduous tree and we are fast running out of those places! This helps me curtail the coveting of more new ones ;D
When Heidi Blyth ran a mail-order business I bought some of her new hybrids and this is one allocated the number 8G LB,
cheers
fermi
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Iris unguicularis ' Peloponnese Snow' flowering at a rather strange moment ....
I growed in the open rockgarden in a crevice between two tufarocks .
In the morning the flowers are stil wet .....
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Iris unguicularis ' Peloponnese Snow' flowering at a rather strange moment ....
I growed in the open rockgarden in a crevice between two tufarocks .
In the morning the flowers are stil wet .....
Later in the day the sun warms the flowers ......
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Very early for Iris unguicularis.
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... and a nice form Kris. I haven't seen this one before.
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Very early for Iris unguicularis.
That's what I was thinking to John .
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... and a nice form Kris. I haven't seen this one before.
Thanks Ashley . I got it from Aberconwy....
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Iris unguicularis ' Peloponnese Snow' flowering at a rather strange moment ....
Hi Kris,
this is a new one on me!
Do you know where it was raised? is there a chance that it's a hybrid and that's why it's flowering now?
cheers
fermi
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Hi Kris,
this is a new one on me!
Do you know where it was raised? is there a chance that it's a hybrid and that's why it's flowering now?
cheers
fermi
Hi Fermi , until this spring it was also new to me ........
I think it is not an hybrid and it was found in the wild in Greece. Read somewhere that it was first distributed by Robert Rolfe ?
There must be an article in the AGS bulletin from september 2011, I wil read this article again tomorrow ...
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It's very nice indeed Kris, and seems to have good texture and substance too, a great help for winter irises. My unguicularis forms have just finished at last. How welcome the early ones are, well all of them of course. :)
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Robert Rolfe writes that he got it from Fritz Kummert (J&FK0124) It was the famous Austrian plantsman who find it in the Peloponnesos . "It is differing from I unguicularis 'Alba' in the electric blue blaze that is in effect painted on to each fall " is what I read in Robert's article. So indeed a wild form and no hybrid ........
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Thanks, Kris,
so there's a chance it could be reproduced from seed ;D
Here's Iris halophila with its first flush of flowers,
cheers
fermi
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Thanks, Kris,
so there's a chance it could be reproduced from seed ;D
cheers
fermi
Hope to get some seed in the future Fermi . In that case offcourse I keep some for the Southern Hemisphere ;)
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Really gloomy day today, brightened by the first flowering of Iris unguicularis, very early for here.
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Really gloomy day today, brightened by the first flowering of Iris unguicularis, very early for here.
Also a very early one John. But very welcome tough .
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Iris 'Roy Davidson' - almost as vigorous as Iris pseudacorus!
Iris orientalis (syn.ochroleuca)
cheers
fermi
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Iris unguicularis, and like Ralph's very early.
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Another early flowering, this form of Iris unguicularis has large flowers, 10cm across. A real treat in November.
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Here are a couple of PC hybrids in flower now, seedlings from NZ breeder Mary Barrell,
Then Iris verna.
Iris lacustris
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Where did the other two go? Trying again.
Iris PC seedling.jpg
Iris verna.jpg
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A lastly, a very rare hybrid bred by the late Jean Stevens, the doyenne of NZ TB breeders. She did important pioneering work way back in the 40s and 50s I think, to achieve the first pinks and reds in tall bearded irises. To my mind this one from the Evansia or crested group is much lovlier, clear lavender-blue, about 60 cms high and with a well branched stem carrying 7 flowers. It is I. wattii x I. tectorum and I assume the cross would be repeatable. I was given this plant maybe 10 or 12 years ago by a gardener from north of Auckland and apart from him I know of no-one else who has it still so it's very precious as well as beautiful. I nearly lost it in our previous dry garden but was able to save a tiny fan and this is doing well in the cooler garden here. I've been able this year to divide it in two and share it for insurance purposes.
Today at the Larnach Castle plant sale I was able to buy a huge plant of I. wattii at the outrageous(ly low) price of $10 (about 4.5 GBP). The plant is enormous, in an 18" pot and with dozens of flowers, mostly over now but a few still to come. It would easily divide into 6 or 8 plants if I wanted to go there but I'll plant it whole for now.
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That really is superb! I have a large I. wattii in a pot which stays outdoors and survives our winter here.
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Lovely Iris, Lesley,
it wouldn't last one summer in this garden though :(
Latest Spuria Iris in flower, 'Barleycorn';
a white Louisiana Hybrid;
second tier flowering on Iris halophile;
cheers
fermi
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Siberian iris ''Careless Sally'', flowering now.
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The Society for Pacific Coast Iris seed exchange is now open. Here is a link to the exchange:
http://pacificcoastiris.org/spcni_seedexchange.html (http://pacificcoastiris.org/spcni_seedexchange.html)
Attached is a photo of a seedling I grew from open pollinated seed of Iris 'Harland Hand' a selection of Iris douglasiana. The bloom is much fuller than the parent, and the plant has proved to be a robust grower... we will see how it fares through our Nova Scotian winter.
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So nice to see this on a sunny Christmas Day - Iris unguicularis 'Abington Purple' Quite small flowers but intense colour.
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Winter greetings from Aquitaine France. Here is I. unguicularis Fée d’Hiver (translation ‘Winter Fairy’), registered in 2000 and very free flowering for me. Some years I get flowers over five months, starting towards the end of October with the occasional bloom then more steadily as winter progresses with the final main show in February and early March. As with other unguicularis, flower form is best I find during cold and crisp periods, whilst the flower shape during milder conditions during the main bloom in late winter tends to be less compact and neat.
Best wishes,
Lawrence Ransom
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The "Eye shadow" iris, 'Kinboshi', produced 2 blooms in time for Christmas.
It's growing in a pot sitting in a container of water,
cheers
fermi