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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Hans J on January 01, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
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Happy New Year to all snowdrop friends :D
Here is flowering a Galanthus rizehensis ( ex Turkey ) ....it is in my greenhouse ;)
Best wishes
Hans
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A hot welcome in a fresh but warm 2014 to all galanthophiles and sypathizers :D
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Hello Hans, your plants must be a little more in the west or in the south.
Here my rizehensis are only showing the buds (also in greenhouse) ;).
But the Gems are ringing.
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Most interesting Hagen, I wonder if the cream colour will contrast with the white when it is open?
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Hello Hagen ,
this is a near autumn flowering form of G.rizehensis ...I have shown it some time before here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6530.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6530.0)
it is something special ;)
With all the problems in last year winter I have lost this plant ...but a nice friends has sent me some new bulbs :D
So I'm really happy with this flowers !
You are right - I have seen before many year plants of G.rizehensis in nature ...they was much later ( April )
Hans
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Happy new year for all of you and a great snowdropseason :).
Good to see your snowdrops flowering Hans, specially after all the troubles you had last season.
Hagen, that one is special looking. Please add more pictures when the flower is fully open. Like Brian I am very interested to see or the cream colour will contrast with the white when it is open.
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Some picture's from this afternoon. The sun is shinning and snowdrops starts to get open,
Fieldgate Prelude
Elwesii green tipped ex Watson Leeds
Plicatus Three Ships
And two more picture's of Ru's great find 'Emerald Bells'.
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A hot welcome in a fresh but warm 2014 to all galanthophiles and sypathizers :D
thanks ;D I'm sympathizer, because it is difficult to collect when there is nothing to replace ...
Richard: W O W ;)
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Yes a HAPPY NEW YEAR to all.
Hagen's snowdrops continue to delight, can't wait to see what he has for us this year & WOW..........'Emerald Bells' :o
Mike
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Emerald Bells is fantastic
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Brian, Richard, Mike,
here is another pic from the creamy blossom. The most intensiv coloration (5th day).
Now cream fades to white.
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Hagen, thank you for posting the picture.Special to see that the cream colour stays for a while ! It looks like the green on the
outers is the 'finish' line for the cream colour. Very nice snowdrop again Hagen, congratulations with this beauty :D.
Will the cream totally turn into white ?
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Quite a stunner, Hagen!
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A happy New Year to all also from me.
Wonderful picture to beginn of the new year!! :D
In the last week i have prepared my new " bed" for snowdrops , eranthis and other springflower-plants . It is an inclined slope to the North:
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Uwe, I saw some Cornus stolonifera at the pics. Not so good.
Better to use Corylus avellana and Carpinus betulus!!!
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Hello Hagen,
it is 3 x Cornus sanguinea Midwinter Fire and 1 x Cornus stolonifera. I hope ,the snowdrops grow still good. Next to it is a Corylus and leaf-humus comes every year to. This bed i will plant with bulbs until next fall.
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Hagen that is so much nicer in that photograph. The cream and white contrast shows well. Really lovely while the cream lasts :)
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The most intensiv coloration (5th day).
Now cream fades to white.
Hagen, your snowdrop, is a fantastic! ! !
Such photos inspire on new searches!
Richard Thank you that I can see it again! ! !
Very much I wait when my 'EB' will blossom.
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Ru, I wish you best results.
Fingers crossed!
Here is a last pic from creme green white type.
Now the cream turns to white.
The inner segments show us a fine dark green color.
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Not only a good bold inner, the outer marks are good and strong!
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I like it at all the stages you have shown us Hagen.
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Its good to have snowdrops pushing through fast now. I think the majority are now through the ground with some very early - Wind Turbine, Godfrey Owen, Fieldgate Prelude, Melvillei or is it?, Haydn, Zwanennberg and more
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The weather in Finland has been very mild so far this winter, the ground isn't even frozen at all yet, but that is going to change this week according to weather forecast, snow and cold from Friday on. :(
My snowdrops are peaking from the ground (pictures from yesterday), also almost all bulbs which were planted last summer and autumn, too. 'Mrs Macnamara' planted last August is showing the bud already, while most of the others look like these G.nivalis and G.nivalis 'Flore Pleno' in the second and third picture.
It is so hard to look at your flowering snowdrops and think that we are still going to have snow and freezing for at least two months, possibly three, and only in April my snowdrops are going to be flowering well. I have been trying to stick to the decision to buy only late flowering (or mid season at the most) snowdrops which would be ready to come up when our snow melts, and not start to flower inside the snow, but it is hard when you show nice snowdrops already now. :)
Which are the best late snowdrops, what do you think?
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Yes it is very mild Leena & Mark.
11.30 last night I went out to check my greenhouse was still standing (gales) before going to bed. Stepping outside I was amazed how mild the air was.......the outside thermometer showed 12 degrees C.
What is your soil like Leena?
Mike
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What is your soil like Leena?
I started to explain but it isn't so easy because I'm not sure I know the right words in english. :-[
I have different kinds from loam to stony sand, and I have tried to make the soil better with leaf mold in the beds where I planted the newest bulbs, so that it is not too wet, and I also added sand under the bulbs when planting them. My older snowdrops (G.nivalis and G.elwesii mostly) seem to like in places where the soil is more sandy and a little drier than what hellebores like. The soil in woodland beds is in acid side, I think.
I have mulched the woodland beds with oakleaves, they also protect the soil from freezing so deep (if we get cold without the snow).
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Leena,
here are a few late flowering types:
White Gem
Bohemia White
Hugh Mackenzie
Fiona Mackenzie
Witchwood
Marchwood
Prague Spring
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Mark,
here are on the way to flowering:
COLOSSUS
MRS MCNAMARRA
EVY COTTAGE CORPORAL
SCHORBUSER IRRLICHT
ILSE BILSE
G n IMPERATI
FLY FISHING
a lot of Gem-types
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Thank you Hagen, I will have to study those in the galanthus book. :)
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I think all snowdrops will poke their noses up to near the soil surface in autumn and early winter then wait for some milder weather to send up a flower and leaves. But different snowdrops have different opinions on what constitutes good enough weather to do this. Sooner or later all snowdrops will get caught-out and end up in leaf and flower buried under snow. They don't seem to mind this much; what they dislike is extreme cold and no snow. Leena, if you can rely on the snow coming then perhaps you do not need to confine yourself to late-flowering snowdrops?
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I'm very jeslous of your stump, Uwe. It'll look fantastic with snowdrops coming up around it.
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A few tried to open today but missed a brief sunny window, have got Ivy Cottage Green Tips in the greenhouse which i've been nagging to open for weeks and finally did today, is very nice.
second is a plicatus I planted last year but forgot to put in the book so no idea what it is :-[ Sophie North? have another but that's barely showing...
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Richard your plicatus could be Three Ships
One of my Fly Fishing is hanging free but not ready to open. The pedicel is very short for now
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That'll be it, thank you :)
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Crimea. January 2014.
Very much early.
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Some more.
It is very difficult to look for.
Each flower is opened by hands :)
0051 - All flowers cream.
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"ivy cottage green tips" looks like a very proud plant, Richard.
Fine contrast to the very globular THREE SHIPS.
Ru,
Fife green thumbs to every hand (idiom of german galanthophiles). Good luck!
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Sooner or later all snowdrops will get caught-out and end up in leaf and flower buried under snow. They don't seem to mind this much; what they dislike is extreme cold and no snow. Leena, if you can rely on the snow coming then perhaps you do not need to confine yourself to late-flowering snowdrops?
Before this "climate change" we used to have many winters with cold and very little snow in south of Finland, but in the past winters there has been more rain and when it is cold it comes down as snow and so we've had really lots of snow also here. This year it has been mild so far and rain has been just rain but it is getting colder now. A little snow is good but when there is a meter of it, it takes ages to melt. :( I hope this winter we don't get so much snow, but you never know. Of course the snow would be better for most of the plants.
I don't have yet experience with the early snowdrops, but I have noticed that G.nivalis usually flowers in the right time here (when the snow melts in March/April), but clumps, which grow in places where much snow has fallen from the roof of the house and thus takes longer to melt, flower inside the snow and seem to be not so vigorous as in places with less snow. These clumps may even get smaller and stop flowering all together, and now I have moved all my older snowdrops away from those place to places where I know the snow will melt early (or at least not fall from the roof). This is why I thought the same could happen to early varieties, but I don't have enough experience yet! I have common snowdrops like Atkinsii, which are not late, planted last summer, so I'll know in a few years how they do when there is lot of snow.
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Oh Ru! 'Emerald Bells' and now an all cream snowdrop, you are treating us with these. How long does the cream flower stay cream?
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Hagen, Thank you. But your cream snowdrop above any competition!
Brian, I was very lucky to find the small isolated population with big percent of a gene "green strips".
I opened hands one flower from clamp. I chose clamps, at which strips on petals the most green. It seemed to me that the next flower more yellow, than the others.
Whether to check so it, I opened the second flower too. Now I have 5 bulbs for check next year :). But from this clamp I have no flowers.
There is one more clamp for check, but there this sign on the verge of perception :). It is more desire, than reality. :)
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I don't grow many Snowdrops but here's my first of the season, Galanthus elwesii. Way back in 2006/7 Arthur Nicholls kindly sent me some two batches of bulbs, one marked as early flowering and the second as mid-season. In 2008 I pictured the early flowering batch fully open in November but since then they've got later and for the last few seasons it's been January.
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Leena, In the mid-Atlantic US, G. nivalis and all its cultivars bloom later (as you said). I really like 'Viridapice' ('old' but still beautiful) and 'Blewbury Tart', both very vigorous. G. woronowii also blooms later but I don't have any of its cultivars, 'Elizabeth Harrison' anyone? 'Straffan' and 'Warham' also both bloom at the end of the main season here. As Brian said though bloom time is weather dependent.
We have had the worst possible weather here. Snowed 8" on Saturday(that's fine because it protects the snowdrops) and went down to 3 degrees F/-16 C, then we had an ice storm on Sunday it poured rain that night, all the snow melted and it went up to 58 F/14C yesterday. Last night with all the plants in my garden exposed and warmed, it went down to 3F/-16C again---a 55 degree spread in one day. I packed all the snowdrops in bloom with pine needles but don't have high hopes for the flowers. All the buds on my winter-blooming camellias are definitely frozen. It's the life of a gardener!
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Great finds again Ruslan. I am also very curious about the cream colours, like you and Brian.
Carolyn, sorry to hear about the bad weather you have at the moment. Cross my fingers for you that it will be over soon
and that the snowdrops will be still ok.
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Very happyto see today my Green Mans/Men have doubled in a year. Each bulb now had two flower noses
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Some more.
It is very difficult to look for.
Each flower is opened by hands :)
0051 - All flowers cream.
Ru,Lovely finds ;)
Trimmer opened it's petals today. :)
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I packed all the snowdrops in bloom with pine needles but don't have high hopes for the flowers. It's the life of a gardener!
Carolyn - The snowdrop buds will be totally unfazed by 3F., not to worry one little bit.
john
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Carolyn - The snowdrop buds will be totally unfazed by 3F., not to worry one little bit.
john
Thanks, Richard.
John, I wasn't worried about the buds that are still tight. I have a lot of flowers that have just opened on 'Standing Tall', a new introduction added to my garden last spring, and a large patch of beautiful X-marked G. elwesii that I am trialing and very excited about. I should be able to remove the pine needles on Thursday. I hope you are right and they are fine. How cold does it get where you are? Is it Nova Scotia? How cold can it get without damaging open flowers? Another single digit night tonight.
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Leena, In the mid-Atlantic US, G. nivalis and all its cultivars bloom later (as you said). I really like 'Viridapice' ('old' but still beautiful) and 'Blewbury Tart', both very vigorous. G. woronowii also blooms later but I don't have any of its cultivars, 'Elizabeth Harrison' anyone? 'Straffan' and 'Warham' also both bloom at the end of the main season here. As Brian said though bloom time is weather dependent.
Thank you for the suggestions, Carolyn. :) I have had 'Viridapice' for two years now and it seems to like it here and I like it very much. G.woronovii does ok and it is the latest snowdrop I have right now. I have also unnamed G.plicatus (I've become a big fan of all plicatus cultivars), but not 'Warham', and 'Straffan' was planted last summer.
How awful weather you've had, the big temperature changes are not good for plants. :( I hope your snowdrops continue flowering.
I'm also interested in which snowdrops do well in Canada, I think your winter over there is as long (and as snowy) as in here.
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Hello Carolyn, the TV pictures & videos of the 'Arctic Vortex' you are enduring in the USA is staggering.
You have arctic conditions & we are being pounded by extreme rain, gales & huge waves...........that Jet Stream has a lot to answer for!
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The tiniest and most exquisite snowdrop we have flowering at the moment, and with the longest name - Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp. vernalis 'John Marr' (from Joe Sharman). The outer tepals measure just 14mm and although it may look very like a very small form of nivalis its distinct leaves and habit give it amazing charm. Another lovely form of this subspecies is Kenneth Beckett's AM form which is not yet showing (so I hope it's still there!).
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Galanthus 'Helen Tomlinson' looking nice at the moment. Helen was a long time friend and this is a nice plant to remeber her by.
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Galanthus 'Helen Tomlinson' looking nice at the moment. Helen was a long time friend and this is a nice plant to remeber her by.
Definitely looking good. Mine are just noses poking through
Very happy to see my Ecusson d'Or are back up again. You may remember me moaning about it not coming back the year after I got it and maybe the year after also. Whatever happened while gone it returned last year with two flowers. This year there will be at least 4 flowers.
Ailwyn continues to be a good plant. December 23rd 2012 I said I'm happy to see my 3 single nosed Ailwyn, bought 2011, have increased to 8 noses. I'm now up to 11 flowering sized bulbs.
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Hello,
this is my new G. niv. sandersii 'Günter Bauer' with 4-5 outher and inner perianthsegments. The pale yellow in the greenhouse is much stronger in the field.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img163/3038/ur2d.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/ur2d.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img823/1695/00cl.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/00cl.jpg/)
Rudi
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Looking good Rudi. Is it stable after a year or two?
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Very nice Rudi.
It is much too warm:
Picture 1: Ailwyn
Picture 2: South Hayes
Picture 3: plicatus-which usually blooms in february
Picture 4: Leucojum vernum
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Carolyn - On the coast we are Zone 6. We had 0F here a week or so ago but missed that cold snap the US had in the past 2 days, it was +12c here, raining with blowing fog.
I have seen 0F on open flowers one year and though they collapsed they perked up after the temperature rose.
johnw
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Managed to have a peek in my frames at the snowdrops, but had to take photos with one hand hanging on to the frame lights so they didn't take off in the wind!
Pleased to see two nice flowers from the cross South Hayes x Trimmer (Trymmer?), and Selborne Greentips being exceptionally obliging with its twin flowers, if not the green tips..
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wow Anne your cross is amazing. I've edited down the first photo
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I forgot my breath, Anne.
Your first seedling, you showed us, will have a promising future.
Well done!
Congratulations!!
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Woooowwwwwwwww Anne, that is a great looking seedling :o :o :o :o
I hope for you, that you will have more seedlings looking like this one. Well done and congratulations from my side also !!
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Well done Anne, that is a good cross. Are there more from the same batch of seed showing promise?
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Okay Anne, you have bred yellow snowdrops and now you have bred a very green one. Your next mission, should you choose to accept it, is to produce something like your latest green one in yellow!
Seriously, congratulations on this latest example of your snowdrop-breeding success.
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These are from the same cross last year. The one you like has 2 flowers this year. It frustrates me not being able to chip it - I'll probably lose the marking. When I have enough, I will chip one to see what happens. There is at least one reverse poculiform that chips true, so we'll have to see.
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I don't do chipping myself but it has always been my understanding that reverse poculiform snowdrops occasionally don't chip true but usually do. For example, last season Matt Bishop was selling huge quantities of one of the Trym derivatives that could only have been created by chipping.
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I don't do chipping myself but it has always been my understanding that reverse poculiform snowdrops occasionally don't chip true but usually do. For example, last season Matt Bishop was selling huge quantities of one of the Trym derivatives that could only have been created by chipping.
There are two points here Alan, firstly there is a difference between chipping and twin-scaling. With twin-scaling the pieces of the bulb are very small and if the genetic material is not contained in that scale then the resultant bulb may not come true. Whereas chipping is a larger chunk and usually is fine as I understand it. Much of this has come from twin-scaling the likes of South Hayes which can result in some bulbs losing the outer marks.
Secondly I assume you mean Matt's selling of Trumps, I am sure he will respond, but he said on eBay that he was amazed at the vigour of that bulb and in a few years it had increased tremendously so perhaps it was natural growth of the clump.
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I don't do chipping myself but it has always been my understanding that reverse poculiform snowdrops occasionally don't chip true but usually do. For example, last season Matt Bishop was selling huge quantities of one of the Trym derivatives that could only have been created by chipping.
Just a quick note to say that all of the 'Trumps' I sold last year were originally twinscales (five bulbs) planted in 2004 and thereafter resulted from natural increase only - which I know sounds like an exageration but there it is. Alan Street came to The Garden House last year and counted nearly 400 flowers.
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Thanks very much, Brian & Matt, for the clarification. I thought there would be some knowledge out there that might be useful to Anne, even though I myself am an ignoramus on this aspect of snowdrop culture. My apologies to Matt if I commented out of turn.
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None necessary, Alan! Had I not grown them, I might easily have come to that conclusion myself but there is certainly something in the chipping versus twin-scaling. I have since used this stock of 'Trumps'as the source for subsequnt batches for chipping (I tend to leave mine on the chunky side, even when twin-scaling) and I have never seen reversions whereas other growers who take there's smaller have noted absence of markings.
I also suspect that there is a variable tendency within different 'Trym' off-spring ( haven't enough
experience yetof inverse pocs derived from other species toi make useful observations) for the outer segment markings to be absent and basal marks seem more prone to dissappear than apical ones. The most unpredictable clone seems to be 'Trimmer' which is variable, even in its inner segment marking on bulbs from chunky chips.....
Fantastic hybrid Anne - here's hoping that when you chip that offset the results are stable!
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That looks great Anne ;D
Where I've lifted some of my collection into pots incase I have to move (hopefully just up the road, still waiting to hear back , land agents are waiting for them to get back to them from USA) they are all flowering extra early .
Going to pop them in the glass house and get some pollen . "Miss Willmot " is looking particularly lovely today with 4 stocking flowers from one bulb , and the daughter bulb also has one flower . Photos to follow if I get a chance today .
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The label says Galanthus plicatus 'Colossus', so I assume it is correct!
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And this is labelled as Galanthus elwesii 'Comet'. Does it look right?
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Ralph your 'Comet' looks like an elwesii Hiemalis Group. I should have spare 'Comets' if you remind me to check.
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These are from the same cross last year. .....
Remarkable reverse poculiform!
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This blossoms now on my shelves with lighting.
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Shelves with lighting, Ru? I would be interested to see a picture of what those look like.
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Thanks for your comments re chipping inverse pocs. So far in the few I've been able to chip (never taking down to twin-scales with galanthus) Trymlet comes reliably marked, as does Trym, but Trimmer (I must look up the correct spelling) and South Hayes do not. I won't experiment with mine until I have more bulbs of each clone.
Green tipped 'drops are as much of a problem - Modern Art and Dreycott Greentip are 2 which do not retain the green tips reliably. It must be something to do with the green being on the outer segments - as far as I know inner segment markings are always stable - unless someone knows better?
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Shelves with lighting, Ru? I would be interested to see a picture of what those look like.
Each rack has 4 functional regiments.
This rack was made by my wife (I was at this time in expedition in Siberia) :).
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Now I got from the refrigerator chips from sectorial chimeras.
I want to allocate separately mutant sectors.
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And others 8 :).
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Emerald Bells :)
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I have a nice clump of Galanthus elwesii 'Maximus'. Originally from Bill Baker. This name doesn't seem to exist anymore? Can anyone help? The inner perianth markings are 'Grumpy' - like. It has been in flower since Christmas. Can anyone enlighten?
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A bit bigger!
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Beats me - I thought that Galanthus elwesii var. maximus (Velen.) Beck - Wiener Ill. Gart.-Zeitung 19: 55 1894 was just thought to be a big form of Galanthus elwesii Hook.f.. - and I thought it had a large solid green inner mark ..... but hey, I'm a croconut!
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After the snowdrop bible :
G.elwesii ' Yvonne Hay' ( syn. Maximus )
I have this plants ....from a friend which had it direct from Harry Hay
furter I have G. 'Maximus' ...this plant Comes from fom the former DDR ( also a G.elwesii form )
Hans
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here are some ( old ) pics :
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Definitely not Yvonne Hay as she has a solid green inner perianth. I have found it on an old post (2010) of RichardW. As 'another from Bill Baker'
I wonder if he came up with anything?
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This is RichardW's picture of my plant I think?
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Quite similar to Hans 'Maximus' photo!
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My Dad knew Bill Baker well, I remember him but only being dragged to see gardens when I was young and had no interest in snowdrops ;)
Bill lived in Tidmarsh Berkshire & had many drops and gave several to my Dad which he gave to me over the years, my Dad passed away a few years ago so his collection came back to Benington.
He had 3 only marked as "Bill Bakers Large", "Early" and one that was just labelled "Hybrid" which has a double mark so it maybe that one, I will photograph mine when it's out to compare if it helps.
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Ruslan, see that you are doing a good job and that your chippings grow wel ;D.
Good to see that Emerald Bells is growing, hope they do well for you !
Re to maximus......think there is also a Maximus overhere in the Netherlands. I do not grow it, so do not know how this one looks. There has been a green tipped version of this so called maximus, and that has become a new name when I am informed well. It is named 'Green Diamond'.
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My Dad knew Bill Baker well, I remember him but only being dragged to see gardens when I was young and had no interest in snowdrops ;)
Bill lived in Tidmarsh Berkshire & had many drops and gave several to my Dad which he gave to me over the years, my Dad passed away a few years ago so his collection came back to Benington.
He had 3 only marked as "Bill Bakers Large", "Early" and one that was just labelled "Hybrid" which has a double mark so it maybe that one, I will photograph mine when it's out to compare if it helps.
Thanks Richard, It would be great to see a photo. The one I have from Bill Baker is a lovely thing. He was my Dentist and my nursery is in Tidmarsh, so I am trying to get together a few of Bill Baker's plants. He gave me a few over the years.
Ruslan, see that you are doing a good job and that your chippings grow wel ;D.
Good to see that Emerald Bells is growing, hope they do well for you !
Re to maximus......think there is also a Maximus overhere in the Netherlands. I do not grow it, so do not know how this one looks. There has been a green tipped version of this so called maximus, and that has become a new name when I am informed well. It is named 'Green Diamond'.
I will post a photo of the inner perianth which has distinct 'face'
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Do you have Early & Large? Early I have several in pots and my clump of Large needs splitting this year so I can probably spare both if you are interested in a swap for some of his others, would also like a few more.
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Here is Galanthus nivalis from Valdelinares/Spain, Province Teruel - flowering very early inside and in the open garden.
As far as I know it is the most southern nivalis occurence of Spain - at the latitude of Valencia but growing at a higher elevation of course.
Gerd
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Do you have Early & Large? Early I have several in pots and my clump of Large needs splitting this year so I can probably spare both if you are interested in a swap for some of his others, would also like a few more.
It is all a bit confused! As he had so many. Love to swop anyway to be sure. Is the 'Early' you have a plicatus or elwesii?
Here is a picture of one of his Green Tip's ...just about to open now
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Early is a hybrid, quite short (also not very early here!) with medium size flower and single mark, sometimes has faint green tips, it looks quite different to the one in your photo!
I remember Dad saying he had a lot but never really named them just gave them away as he found them hence the "names"
I can spare the 3 I have if you would like them and anything you think you can swap back would be great, I'm in Reading visiting family every few weeks so if you don't get to a meet this year? I can bring them to you if it helps, let me know.
As always any forumists are welcome to visit if you prefer.
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Thanks Richard. I have never been up to you, so would love to pop in. I'll give you some warning. Thanks
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Or perhaps visit the Shaftesbury snowdrop study, sale and social day and swap bulbs ? Tickets are available now lol
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Wish we had all those snowdrops days overhere........ :-\
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Richard I hope you'll also find time to call in, I'm just up the road from Myddleton if you can make it.
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Or perhaps visit the Shaftesbury snowdrop study, sale and social day and swap bulbs ? Tickets are available now lol
Of course Emma! I'm not likely to forget! :)
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Sorry , I do go on and sorry we couldn't fit you into our sale this year !
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found a few to photograph today, minus one, think a pheasant had taken a shine to Gerard Parker which was in bits >:(
gracilis Highdown
elwesii Mrs Macnamara
plicatus x byzantinus ex Warham
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Wish we had all those snowdrops days overhere........ :-\
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But they do happen "over there" on the continent........
February 8/9
Kalmthout Arboretum (North of Antwerp) is holding their snowdrop weekend
February 9
Snowdrops Gala at the Zaanse Schans
February 13-15
De Boschhoeve in Wolfheze, The Netherlands
February 15 16
Sneeuwklokjeshof Bucaneve The Netherlands
February 22/3
The Nettetal Day
March 1st and 2nd
Snowdrop event Maldfeldstraße 2, 21077 Hamburg
8)
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Or perhaps visit the Shaftesbury snowdrop study, sale and social day and swap bulbs ? Tickets are available now lol
That sound good, Emma, do you mean this event : ;)
Shaftesbury's Inaugural Snowdrop Study, Sale & Social Day 15th February 2014
Tickets here :
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See all about this day here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11212.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11212.0)
Talks from some well known Forumists- and with the support of the SRGC Forum !
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I have a nice clump of Galanthus elwesii 'Maximus'. Originally from Bill Baker. This name doesn't seem to exist anymore? Can anyone help? The inner perianth markings are 'Grumpy' - like. It has been in flower since Christmas. Can anyone enlighten?
I have notes of a G. elwesii 'Maximus' being passed from Cicely Hall of Primrose Hill, to Dr. Keith Lamb and Robin Hall told me of his father bringing such from their previous home to Primrose Hill. He had presumed his father had received it from a Dublin bulb dealer and that it had been wild collected and so was a species or a variant which had occurred in the wild.
I also recall references in The Garden magazine to a G. plicatus maximus and a G. nivalis maximus (Straffan var) - around 1891 to the best of my recollection but advancing years makes this unclear in my memory
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My Garden Diary entry for 24th February 2013 says: "Finally to see Cliff Curtis in Haconby where I bought elwesii ‘Maximus’ .. after being impressed by the clump growing there. Cliff got his stock from Foxgrove and doubted that his was really the same as ‘Yvonne Hay’, as The Book says." Cliff opens his garden under the NGS scheme (23rd February this year).
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My Garden Diary entry for 24th February 2013 says: "Finally to see Cliff Curtis in Haconby where I bought elwesii ‘Maximus’ .. after being impressed by the clump growing there. Cliff got his stock from Foxgrove and doubted that his was really the same as ‘Yvonne Hay’, as The Book says." Cliff opens his garden under the NGS scheme (23rd February this year).
Is that a picture of your 'maximus' out now? Can we see a picture of the inner perianth, please? I will have to ask Louise at Foxgrove about it?
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No, that's the clump in Cliff Curtis's garden on 24th February 2013. Mine is a single long shoot from which the leaves have not yet unfurled. A flower is weeks away.
As the entry for Yvonne Hay in The Book points out referring to 'Maximus'
since this name has been used as a botanical epithet it is not available for use as a cultivar name
It seems it may have been often applied to snowdrops in the past, sometimes making the transition from an epithet to a name.
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this is what I grow as Bill Baker's Early, I have a few of my Dad's old note books/lists and it's not listed as Green Tipped, although some do produce green tips but very rarely.
is a short plant not getting much above 10cms, main clump is in a shady spot so not early here, I have another at home which is probably about a week away from being open.
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first fine flower of MOYA`S GREEN this year
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And also the yellows start to show color.
Here SCHORBUSER IRRLICHT begins to change from green to yellow.
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Also the first VIRESCENS-type is blooming:
CASTLE GREEN DRAGON
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Also the first VIRESCENS-type is blooming:
CASTLE GREEN DRAGON
Ah Hagen, how lucky you are, I presume they are flowering indoors?
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Yes Brian so it is.
First time in my life I have one season instead of two. Begun in October 2013 and will end in april 2014.
So I'm a lucky man. It was a long long way.
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These are a whole different range of snowdrops than I have seen or know about; really intriguing. Hope to go to the snowdrop event at Myddleton House and see some of the variety that I have only read about, even if these ones will be absent!
This is a seedling from 'Trym', not flowering yet but presumably very similar to others? This has just been split up and planted out under the apples, so will be nice to see how it looks in a month's time. The coming season looks as though it will be an exciting one with so many events listed by Brian.
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Tim, this is a nice 'Trym' seedling, perhaps better than 'Trym' itself as it has more green on the inner petals.
Hagen, your Castle Green Dragon is very early. Mine (in the greenhouse) will flower in about 2 weeks.
Here is G. fosteri var. antepensis (from Norman Stevens 2010). Has since clumped up well. In his catalogue (2010), Norman said "it is a new taxon, not yet published as valid. Early form, more robust than the type flowering Nov-Dec. Grow as tender."
I wonder how tender it is, G. fosteri itself seems fine outside.
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this is what I grow as Bill Baker's Early, I have a few of my Dad's old note books/lists and it's not listed as Green Tipped, although some do produce green tips but very rarely.
is a short plant not getting much above 10cms, main clump is in a shady spot so not early here, I have another at home which is probably about a week away from being open.
That looks like it is a hybrid? Nice. It is later than the Bill Baker's Green Tip, which is out now. I hope to get together any material that came out of Bill Baker's Garden and try to make sense of it. There may be just too many. Here is a picture of the inner markings of the 'Bill baker's Maximus'.
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Hi Cyril,
my G. fosterii is weeks later ;)!
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Yes Hagen, for me too typical G. fosteri flowers much later.
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Tim, Cyril, Uvularia, remarkable snowdrops you have!
Hagen, each time, as I look at photos of your remarkable snowdrops, I understand, why such contented (joyful) face on your Avatar :)
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Yes Ru, so it is.
And I have also a smile on my lips, when I see your avatar.
In the deep of the internet I also found a pic with a very joyful Ruslan!
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Just a quick note to say that all of the 'Trumps' I sold last year were originally twinscales (five bulbs) planted in 2004 and thereafter resulted from natural increase only
Looking through my records, I saw that my own 'Trumps' actually came from Matt but 'once-removed'; that is to say I got a bulb from somebody who got their stock from Matt. Looking at the number of noses poking through the soil this year, it is actually very easy to understand how Matt achieved his excellent numbers by natural division.
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Fine pictures again Hagen, of some great looking snowdrops !! :o
As you mention you grow snowdrops indoors, you are a Lucky man indeed. Great to have the season so much longer, a few months more and you grow snowdrops all year round :D.
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Tim, that is a great looking snowdrop, specially in a group. Hope they do well for you.
Is the green colour on the outers pale green or does it just have the same colour as Trym ?
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This snowdrop came last year as a kind gift from another forumist. It does not look out-of-the-ordinary at the moment but the leaves grow very tall later in the season and the bulbs are also particularly large. It does not have a name but bore the label "caucasicus late form ex Kath Dryden". Caucasicus is now called elwesii var. monostictus and it can only be 'late' by reference to some other elwesii that is very early indeed. One of the perils of growing snowdrops in large pots is that squirrels often see these pots as an attractive place to bury a nut; the sharp-eyed amongst you will see one of the leaves has been torn by a squirrel.
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Here is G. fosteri var. antepensis (from Norman Stevens 2010). Has since clumped up well. In his catalogue (2010), Norman said "it is a new taxon, not yet published as valid. Early form, more robust than the type flowering Nov-Dec. Grow as tender."
I wonder how tender it is, G. fosteri itself seems fine outside.
Hi Cyril nice little clump I haven't risked mine outside yet as I don't have any spares
My straight fosteri is out now (well in the frame ;)) but antepensis usually flowers 4 weeks before this with me. Var antepensis comes from the Gazianstep in SE Turkey and is apparently disjunct from other populations. I posted in 2011 that "Interesting wiki states that "Gaziantep was originally called Aïntap (from Arabic عين تاب) but after some centuries the name shifted to Antep" hence presumably its ssp name
My ordinary fosteri is below also from Norman Stevens
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Richard - it looks pretty much the same as 'Trym' in colour on the outer tepals. 'Trym', like 'Trumps' as mentioned, is very vigorous in our garden and throws up a number of distinct seedlings, one of which looks like a cross between it and 'Augustus'. There must be a good chance it would cross with 'Wendy's Gold' and ultimately give rise to a 'yellow Trym'. Having just read of some of the great lengths of time to obtain crosses with other plants, like between herbaceous and tree peonies (the Itoh hybrids took some 30 years to produce!), hybridising snowdrops is very much more immediate and potentially a lot of fun.
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Tim there is a yellow Trym but as its a man made cross its technically not a yellow Trym
Alan I grow that elwesii ex Kath Dryden and find its a main season flowerer. If it originated in Scotland it would be later flowering. The attached photo was taken on Jan 23rd that year
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Thanks Mark - very interesting. 'Trym' is very good at setting seed and I have been collecting seedpods from it and planting them out in the garden to see what might result. But I shall have to try a cross with yellows and grow on plants for several generations to see if a truly yellow plant will result. I expect some growers may already be doing this?
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Tim, thank you for your explaining. Good to hear that your Trym grows well and produce many seedlings. I mostly take away the seed heads, I have no space to grow those seedlings. This year I will try to collect ( if I can stay ahead for the ants ::) ) a few from interesting cultivars and try to raise them in crates.
A yellow Trym.......that would be wonderful. A few years ago the rumors went around that Joe Sharman has one.
Think that is the one Mark means. Think many people are trying to make crosses those days and specially for getting a yellow Trym.
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Hmm, eagerly awaited yellow snowdrops.... like the the pink Snowdrop, 'Pink Panther', perhaps?
Or not, as the case may be!!
http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=1243.msg50607#msg50607 (http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=1243.msg50607#msg50607)
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Mmm that's not pink in any way , shape or form in that picture ....how disappointing .
I'd love a pink snowdrop, I dream about them .....then again I also dream that Angela Landsbury form murder she wrote is a cannibal who's trying to eat me :-\
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The sun shone yesterday so I photographed some blooms in the greenhouse. 'Fly Fishing' with green tips which I don't remember noticing last year, 'Sutton Courtney' which is also just out in the garden, and 'Sprite' which is only just through outside.
It was wet and windy today so outside flowers will have to wait :-\
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'Sutton Courtney' is very distinct isn't it? I remember seeing this in David and Anke Way's garden and being very struck by it. No, I think a pink snowdrop is in the league of a blue rose, really an unnecessary pipe dream.
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No green tips on my Fly Fishing. Must get Sutton Courtenay in the collection again
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Hi Cyril nice little clump I haven't risked mine outside yet as I don't have any spares
My straight fosteri is out now (well in the frame ;)) but antepensis usually flowers 4 weeks before this with me. Var antepensis comes from the Gazianstep in SE Turkey and is apparently disjunct from other populations. I posted in 2011 that "Interesting wiki states that "Gaziantep was originally called Aïntap (from Arabic عين تاب) but after some centuries the name shifted to Antep" hence presumably its ssp name
Ian, thanks for this interesting information on 'antepensis'. It may well be hardy enough, I will try it outside in a sheltered spot next year. Straight fosteri is early with you, even in the frame.
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Rodmarton Regulus today, quite the bruiser.
johnw
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Rosemary Burnham today... almost warm enough for it to open...
Fly fishing is just opening... no sign of green tips here yet
The Rodmarton Regulus looks very nice- and huge!
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Rosemary Burnham today... almost warm enough for it to open...
Fly fishing is just opening... no sign of green tips here yet
The Rodmarton Regulus looks very nice- and huge!
These must be inside? Or has Shropshire become the warmest part of the UK?
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This was a surprise when I spotted these leaves
Galanthus elwesii 'Handel'
I was given 3 bulbs in 2009 in exchange for some bulbs of G. corcyrensis. They flowered in late February 2010 and may have produced a few feeble leaves in 2011 but have not appeared since. I was most embarrassed :-[ to have lost them so am very pleased they were just resting ;D. No sign of flowers this year but hopefully they have decided to live after all.
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This Galanthus elwesii came from the local Garden Centre a few years ago. I had two pots with three bulbs in each. This seems to be the toughest, surviving two years in the original pot. Some of the others are still alive but not flowering. I must plant them out. Apart from the single green mark the thing I like about it is the round ovary. My other elwesiis all have elongated ovaries.
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Also in Belgium starts due to the mild weather the snowdrop season rapidly:
- G. reg.-olg. ssp. reg.-olg ‘Christine’: Found by Chr. Grey-Wilson in his mother’s garden and named for his wife. This robust cultivar flowers between the late ssp. reginae-olgae’s and the earliest ssp. vernalisvarieties;
- G. ‘Ailwyn’: This ‘perfect’ double snowdrop was found by the late Richard Nutt at Anglesey Abbey and named after Lord Fairhaven (Ailwyn Henry Georges Broughton). It is said that G. ‘Lady Fairhaven’ is a seasonal variation of G. Ailwyn;
- G. reg.-olg. ssp. vernalis ‘Amigo’: An elegant selection from southern Italy with large flowers with pointed petals, despite know for its slow increase in our garden a good doer. Selected and named by Koen van Poucke (Belgium);
- G. elw. Hiemalis Group ‘Nutt’s Early’: This fine plant was given out to guests by the late Richard Nutt, without a name, at one of his famous snowdrop lunches. Subsequently it became known amongst the friends as G. elw. H. Gr. ‘Nutt’s Early’;
and finally a general view
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'Amigo' is an exceptionally elegant shape, Freddy, but your plants all look very good- are you not afraid that the cold weather will come to damage them ?
The frost here tonight is bad - I am glad that we do not have too many flowers out yet!
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Hi, Freddy. Thank you for these lovely pictures and all the information. I already hoped, you would continue this 'tradition'.
Lina.
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Freddy, I have to say that is a stunning clump of 'Amigo'.
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Fine clumps, Freddy!
Thank you also for the "Overzicht".
Galanthus together with Jasminum nudiflorum and Viburnum fragrans - I would say, this is an early spring time picture.
But it is only January.
This year I will not go to UK and Gala.
So nobody will bring frost and snow from east to west! ;D
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Poop , didn't get the job . Person they offered it to turned it down . Apparently I'm an excellent candidate but not quite what they are looking for :-\
They are now going to re-advertise it and start all over again ::)
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"If at first you don't succeed...."
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Sorry to hear that Emma... I hope something else comes around very soon. :-(
Paul- it's pot grown, plunged in a 6x4 frame with a polythene lid and wind net sides- my snowdrops are all over the place timing wise!
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Emma, I already posted this on facebook in reply to your comments there and I'm saying it again here in case you miss it there, and to have a second bite at urging you to try again:
I wonder if "not quite what they were looking for" means "not a man"?
They're not allowed, because of anti-sexism legislation, to advertise for a man, but unfortunately many people still do think that some jobs are more suited to a man than a woman (or they'd just prefer a man because they feel that they'd get on better with a man than a woman).
I would urge you to re-apply on principle, just in case this is what has happened. And also because you know you personally can do the job.
I don't suppose you know if the selected candidate who turned it down was a man?
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He was a man
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Apply again. And you still have the "90% chance" that you were told you had of still being kept on in your current position.
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This is internet communication gone mad. We're now having this same conversation simultaneously on two different internet forums ;D
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Multitasking at it's best . Maybe they just don't like snowdrops , I wouldn't want to work for anyone like that . Ah well moving on ....... Snowdrops are pretty and I should have taken the job at Colesbourne when I had the chance !
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Multitasking at it's best . Maybe they just don't like snowdrops , I wouldn't want to work for anyone like that . Ah well moving on ....... Snowdrops are pretty and I should have taken the job at Colesbourne when I had the chance !
You had some very good personal reasons for wanting (and needing) to stay round about where you are.
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Yes but the mere thought of becoming unemployed fills me with dread , I know it might not happen , but I'm not sure I could face having to go the job centre !
Mmmm best stop worring and go pick up some twigs .
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That's not going to happen. You've already proven yourself in your current position. The new owners would be daft to let you go and hire someone else.
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Sorry to hear your sad news Emma.
Was it the lady of the house that interviewed you?
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It was and she seemed nice . Hey ho never mind .
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Perhaps her last gardener was 'bosom heavingly' handsome & a replacement is hard to find................just saying ::) ;)
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A bit of the Lady Chatterleys eh? ;D
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Yes more than likely I'd say Martin ;D
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Maybe I should apply. I'm sure I can rent some tight-fitting breeches, a leather waistcoat and a chest wig.
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Maybe I should apply. I'm sure I can rent some tight-fitting breeches, a leather waistcoat and a chest wig.
Wot!!!??!! You mean you haven't got that kit already?
I'm so disappointed.......
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Wot!!!??!! You mean you haven't got that kit already?
I'm so disappointed.......
Calm tha'self lass! Tha's gettin' all het up about nowt. Tha really wudn't want ta see me in tight breeches. Knobblyness of ma knees is legendary tha knows.
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Okay, I've slapped myself around the ears with a wet cloth and feel calmer now.
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I don't need a chest wig .............but some muscles wud nay go amiss. ;D
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I'm not getting a chest wig just for a job ! Lol although it would be funny to reapply and try and see how far I got with chest wig and tight breeches , might need to try sock stuffing too ! Lol
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Emma, re-apply as a bloke and go to the interview wearing a very obvious false moustache and talking in a comedy deep 'bloke' voice. I dare you.
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This was a surprise when I spotted these leaves
Galanthus elwesii 'Handel'
I was given 3 bulbs in 2009 in exchange for some bulbs of G. corcyrensis. They flowered in late February 2010 and may have produced a few feeble leaves in 2011 but have not appeared since. I was most embarrassed :-[ to have lost them so am very pleased they were just resting ;D. No sign of flowers this year but hopefully they have decided to live after all.
;D
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Poop , didn't get the job . Person they offered it to turned it down . Apparently I'm an excellent candidate but not quite what they are looking for :-\
They are now going to re-advertise it and start all over again ::)
Very sorry to hear that Emma, for what its worth I agree with Martin if you still want the job you should reapply. I know it is likely to come to nothing but it certainly wont be much extra effort and it will demonstrate a certain persistence that they may consider a positive attribute. It will also prevent them just forgetting about you.
Don't be too worried about being unemployed either, while it certainly isn't nice there are much worse things that can and do happen.
Chris
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Not going to bother reapplying as it was basically down to the fact they didn't like me , I got feedback you see . I had the experience they wanted and the knowledge .....they just didn't want me
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Very sorry to hear that - probably best it didnt happen then. You cant work well with someone you dont like (or doesnt get on with you).
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Not going to bother reapplying as it was basically down to the fact they didn't like me , I got feedback you see . I had the experience they wanted and the knowledge .....they just didn't want me
I'd say it was their loss Emma :-*
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I KNOW it was their loss, Emma - and I also think that the new owners of your present place would be daft to lose you, so there might be good news to come from that. :-*
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... are you not afraid that the cold weather will come to damage them ?
We are not afraid, hopefully we stay alive but the plants can't move and have to grow where we think they will thrive. When they die it means ..... "wanted for murder". Serious, we try to grow our plants outside in the open garden where they belong, despite losses. It looks for more natural and harmonious.
A few general 'snowdrop' views to cheer up Emma (especially the last one)!
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and finally 'Fly Fishing' with or without ................. thus with !
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I didn't know Fly fishing had green tips............it's a beauty.
Try a nice thick woolly walking sock Emma, that should do the trick....... :o
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Dressing up as a man, but certainly without the chest-wig (!), worked well for Gwyneth Paltrow in 'Shakespeare in Love'!
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Thank you for the views of snowdrops in the garden, they cheer me up also. Here it was -17°C last night, and still couple of months to go before I see them in real life. :)
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Dressing up as a man, but certainly without the chest-wig (!), worked well for Gwyneth Paltrow in 'Shakespeare in Love'!
Gwyneth Paltrow filmed Emma at the place I was trying the job for .
I will stay were I am for now and enjoy my snowdrops . I'd rather be wanted here than second best working for someone who didn't want me .
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Couldn't help thinking about the stoning in Life of Brian ;D
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What a coincidence Emma! I suppose few actresses are also gardeners, or am I wrong? It must be a high class establishment.
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Thank you for the views of snowdrops in the garden, they cheer me up also. Here it was -17°C last night, and still couple of months to go before I see them in real life. :)
That's COLD, Leena - we are still having this annoying rain/frost seesaw weather - today it's raining again.
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Yes that was funny Richard, that's where the women were wanting to get in on the stoning............. a 'privilege' reserved just for the men.
I've been through redundancy twice Emma so I can empathise with you. The worry that you wont find another job is hard to keep in check, it gnaws away at you even when you seem to be getting on with life.
I now have work that I enjoy very much & I'm sure the same will happen to you.
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I think one of the downsides of gardening as a career is you almost inevitably from an emotional bond with the place you work, particularly if you are the only gardener, but I also think it's necessary to give you the drive and motivation you need.
Trouble is I don't think that relationship with the garden is ever really appreciated by employers & when it is time to move on or changes happen it can be very stressful as I've found in the past. A new owner would be mad to replace you losing all that experience & knowledge so hopefully they will see sense, I hope it all works out.
Film location are two words I dread now, lots of disruption and trampling >:( that has dried up recently but we do get regular photo shoots which can be quite distracting....
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We have had the worst possible weather here. Snowed 8" on Saturday(that's fine because it protects the snowdrops) and went down to 3 degrees F/-16 C, then we had an ice storm on Sunday it poured rain that night, all the snow melted and it went up to 58 F/14C yesterday. Last night with all the plants in my garden exposed and warmed, it went down to 3F/-16C again---a 55 degree spread in one day. I packed all the snowdrops in bloom with pine needles but don't have high hopes for the flowers. All the buds on my winter-blooming camellias are definitely frozen. It's the life of a gardener!
I thought I would report back on the efficacy of my protection measures in case anyone finds it useful. My main concern was damage to open snowdrop flowers when the weather turns unseasonably cold and there is no snow cover. The petals of my "controls", open and extended flowers with no protection, were damaged by the cold. However, their scapes still stood up straight and from a distance they look fine, close up they are ruined.
The petals of the fully extended open flowers packed lightly with pine needles were undamaged, but the scapes were bent by the weight so all the perfect flowers are flat on the ground, very unsightly. The only thing that worked was the pine needles around partially open flowers where the scape had not extended yet. They were completely undamaged and have gone on to flower beautifully. Next time I will try cardboard boxes.
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We have it unseasonably mild here in many parts of the UK, snowdrops growing like billy-o.
However we are sure to get a cold snap soon so thanks for the update Carolyn.
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I am trying to keep a very accurate record of when my snowdrops bloom in 2013-2014. I wonder if other people who keep records have a rule for deciding when the plant "blooms". I was originally going with when the flower opens. However, we have had so much cold and cloudy weather that the scapes extend and the buds drop from the sheath and plump up but never open. I have one group that has been like that for a month. Is it in bloom?
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Spring in Germany ;)
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I am trying to keep a very accurate record of when my snowdrops bloom in 2013-2014. I wonder if other people who keep records have a rule for deciding when the plant "blooms". I was originally going with when the flower opens. However, we have had so much cold and cloudy weather that the scapes extend and the buds drop from the sheath and plump up but never open. I have one group that has been like that for a month. Is it in bloom?
This a very good question Carolyn! As you say snowdrop flowers can stay in an unopened state for weeks. I was trying to record to the date of appearance of my different varieties but have given up as I can never really decide at which point I should stay they are 'out'? I am sure other people have had the same problems and as you say there might be a rule of thumb used? Any ideas?
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I am trying to keep a very accurate record of when my snowdrops bloom in 2013-2014. I wonder if other people who keep records have a rule for deciding when the plant "blooms". I was originally going with when the flower opens. However, we have had so much cold and cloudy weather that the scapes extend and the buds drop from the sheath and plump up but never open. I have one group that has been like that for a month. Is it in bloom?
I think it is - when the bud has dropped from the sheath it could, after all, be open hours later if the weather were to be suitable You can see the whole shape and could pop it open to peak at the inner..... so that's in bloom for me.
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Spring in Germany ;)
Or maybe Spring in ......a German Garden Centre? ;) ;D
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Thank you Maggi,
it seems I have to speak German with Uwe!!! ;D
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:) Hagen, if it is really Spring with Uwe in Jena, I must think to move house!!
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Jena is in a warm-favored Region. ;)
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Jena is in a warm-favored Region. ;)
I must visit, Uwe!!
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Thanks Maggi.. that makes sense 8)
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Waiting for a sunny day... ;)
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Waiting for a sunny day... ;)
Perfect capture of the "diamonds", Anne - especially those neatly arranged down the edge. 8)
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I was just wondering if anyone knew whether The Snowdrop Company in Oxfordshire still trades? Do they send out a list? I can't seem to find any current reference?
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They're still listed in Cambo's links list- and I think it should be reasonably up to date... there's a phone number listed there
The Snowdrop Company, Barn Cottage, Shilton, Oxfordshire Tel. 01993 842177 but the 'drop fiends will know better about Ronald Mackenzie..... :-\
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Yes, Ron is still trading. His catalogue is sent out in early December these days.
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Thanks Maggi. I wanted to see if Ronald Mackenzie had any of the late Bill Baker's snowdrops. Apparently he had a lot of
snowdrops from Bill and I was trying to track down which forms Bill had.
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Thanks Martin. Do I have to send a SAE for the list?
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I didn't get his list this year :-(
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An A5 SAE should get you a catalogue. Last year he still had catalogues in February. Not sure if one first class stamp would be enough. Probably.
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These were photographed last week. They are growing in a cold frame.
1. Miss Wilmott A present from a friend for a special birthday. It had 4 flowers last year.
2. Close up of Miss Wilmott
3. Fieldgate Prelude
4. Fanny My maternal grandmother was christened Fanny. Not a good photo, but the bulb purchased from Glen Chantry in 2011, now has become 3 bulbs and all are twin scaped.
5. Reginae-olgae vernalis
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More from last week
1. Yaffle
2. Henham No. 1
3. Ding Dong
4. Lapwing
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These were photographed last week. They are growing in a cold frame.
1. Miss Wilmott A present from a friend for a special birthday. It had 4 flowers last year.
A clump of Miss Wilmott must be a fantastic sight
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More from last week
1. Yaffle
2. Henham No. 1
3. Ding Dong
4. Lapwing
Four lovely snowdrops Art, I particularly like Yaffle, wait until it clumps up for you it's lovely (and vigorous).
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Another day of mud & showers :( but a few things in the greenhouse opened in a brief bit of sunshine.
another Ding Dong
Rogers Rough
Sentinel
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RichardW and Art600,
fine flowers, fine pics.
Mark,
here is a clump of MISS WILMOTT.
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Very nice clump!
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Can anyone show a clump of 'Yaffle'? Great shape........
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From the same garden as Miss Wilmott I believe ;D My clump has a few days to go as yet.
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Brian,
is there a second garden in UK with such a lot of fine clumps?
And friendly owners too?
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No I don't think there is Hagen ;)
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Miss Wilmott is really lovely. :)
It is good to see the snowdrop clumps, how the leaves are compared to the flowers. Many times in the internet or books there is only a picture of the flower (which is important of course).
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Hi all wonderful established clumps will put on my wish list, we had a little sunshine the other day yes really for about an hour this opened some snowdrop flowers I post a picture of the latest from Brechin this is a basket full of chips hope it will get better and bigger and the weather does not change to winter, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Here's another picture of a group of 'Miss Willmott' from Glen Chantry. I'm told by Wol and Sue that this will be for sale at Myddleton house as will 'Yaffle'.
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Great pictures of 'Miss Willmott' Hagen and Brian, and ofcourse of 'Yaffle' also. Very nice to see clumps like this :D.
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More and more rain managed to bring a basket of G, nivalis x plicatus another from the Castle Ramsay 2 this is the family name leaves are very striking with folded edges and although it has G. nivalis in it is early flowering here, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Very fine snowdrops everyone!
Here one which wants to be a snowflake, topping 40 cm in height.
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Are both leaves folded, Ian?
More and more rain managed to bring a basket of G, nivalis x plicatus another from the Castle Ramsay 2 this is the family name leaves are very striking with folded edges and although it has G. nivalis in it is early flowering here, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Here one which wants to be a snowflake, topping 40 cm in height.
Superb! A fine upstanding creature with a noble ambition :D
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Ian, your Ramsay 2 is a fine looking snowdrop !! Any more pictures of your Castle snowdrops ?
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Very fine snowdrops everyone!
Here one which wants to be a snowflake, topping 40 cm in height.
À great snowdrophttp://
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here are pics from my Galanthus rizehensis ( received from a nice friend ) :D
this plants are from the Black Sea area ( Russia )
the second pic shows a nice aberration ...maybe something special for the Olympic Games ;)
also is flowering Galanthus reginae olgae ssp. vernalis ex Sicily
( grown from seeds ex Sicily )
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Strange to see that extra petal from the top of the ovary in your rizehensis Hans. Since it affects more than one flower maybe the trait is stable.
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Hans, Great pictures of your Rizehensis. I tried to grow it outside in the garden, but lost my two bulbs.... :-\
Do you grow them outside, or in a shed ?
Nice work with growing your Reg Olg's ex Sicily from seeds :D
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Strange to see that extra petal from the top of the ovary in your rizehensis Hans. Since it affects more than one flower maybe the trait is stable.
Ashley
two of my bulbs from G.rizehensis have this extra petal ...so I suppose this clone has always this sign
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Hans, Great pictures of your Rizehensis. I tried to grow it outside in the garden, but lost my two bulbs.... :-\
Do you grow them outside, or in a shed ?
Nice work with growing your Reg Olg's ex Sicily from seeds :D
Thanks Richard
This pot with rizehensis is in my greenhouse ...for security ;)
I have other pots ( from a other location )outside ...and it looks so far OK
Same is with my G.reg.olg.vernalis ex Sicily ...until now they have good survived the desaster from last year
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I have rizehensis in a trough and in the ground. Trough bulbs seem happier and multiplying
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Hello Mark, all here is a picture of the leaves G. x Ramsay some bulbs have a twin flower spike as well the leaves are folded over on one side this is from the G. plicatus I guess, cheers Ian
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Superb! A fine upstanding creature with a noble ambition :D
;D, thanks Maggi, it always has been large but is the first time it has this size. Would be nice it would repeat the size next year.
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;D, thanks Maggi, it always has been large but is the first time it has this size. Would be nice it would repeat the size next year.
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Hans, it really is a huge snowdrop, lovely :o. I know one more snowdrop like this; Elwesii 'Richard Handscombe'.
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I don't have anything too exotic or rare but some nice clumps are building up:
Galanthus plicatus 'Colossus', Galanthus 'Galatea' (with Hellebore leaf!)
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A first for me today, I was buying some compost at a local garden centre and there were two trays of Galanthus elwesii labelled as "Snowdrops - Galanthus nivalis". Never seen them mislabelled like that before.
Of course this left a slight dilemma - do you tell the staff. In my case No, I just had a look at the markings, found one I liked and bought the pot (2.40 pounds for the pot of 5). The one I liked had a marking a bit like Sophie North and was much taller and stronger looking than most of the others. Mind you they were in such tiny pots that they have very little chance to look very good, good strong root growth from the drainage holes!!!
Got them home and planted them (pot and all) into a bigger pot. Didn't want to take them out of the small pot for fear of breaking all the roots. Will try to post a picture next weekend.
Chris
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Hagen today in tv :)
programme SO 19.01.2014 18:00 -please away minute 14.40:
http://www.rbb-online.de/gartenzeit/ (http://www.rbb-online.de/gartenzeit/)
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I don't think I learned the German for leaf at school but I learned it in the video. And was that saying "The greener, the dearer"?
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A television superstar - and good with the snowdrops too.
Lovely to see you, Hagen.
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The greener, the more expensive.
Nice to see Hagen in his greenhouse.
Lina.
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Lina, ist correct.
Alan, the voice say: je grüner , desto teurer ( translate :see Lina )
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Nice to see Hagen in his greenhouse.
Lina.
Great to see Hagen - and my! that is a super greenhouse!!
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Maggi, this greenhouse was the idea of Karla (my Tausendschön).
Now every day I'm one hour (or more) in the glasshouse - I call it "Frischzelle".
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A good translator adds value so I'll stick with "The greener, the dearer" because dearer can mean either more expensive or more loved and in this instance both meanings could apply. However thanks for the help, Lina & Uwe; my brief education in the German language did not include je ... desto ...
And I, like Maggi, was wonderfully impressed with Hagen's greenhouse.
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What have I missed ???
Hagen's greenhouse?
Is there a link? :)
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reply 238 Mike
It is a lovely greenhouse and it is a wonder you are not in there more Hagen ;D
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Well done, Hagen! Your greenhouse makes me green with envy - (I wonder if that only works in English?).
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green with envy
Is that the name of a new snowdrop Anne? ;D
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Now I have much more open chances (Arisaema, Asarum, Crocus,............... :)
Green with envy = Grün vor Neid! Yes it works also in German.
Sorry,but there were no galanthophile in the tv-team.
So you saw much more usual drops in the winter rain
and only a few unusual flowers only on the end of the spot :-\
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Thank you Brian, it is good to see Hagen in action..... ;D
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Hagen, I am soooo jealous! That's the sort of glasshouse I want for my snowdrops. I would be in there all day!
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Good to hear, that you all have also a lot of fun with the greenhouse. ;)
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Having failed using Google translate, am I right in thinking "Tausendschön" is the equivalent of the French "Choufleur" :)
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Arthur, I don't think the French translation is OK. Tausendschön is like Bellis perennis, a small, fine, staunchly, lovely plant. It is a nickname!
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Hagen
"Choufleur" is generally a term of endearment :)
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"Choufleur" is generally a term of endearment :)
Well they might have told you that, Arthur, but do you really want to be called a cauliflower?
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;D ;D ;D
Better than broccoli!
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Mrs Macnamarra and a nice elwesii monostictus one of my definite favourites
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Beautiful clumps - I understand them being favourites!
Here is 'Ailwyn' in the starting blocks. I planted one bulb 2 years ago - seems to be an excellent increaser.
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Here is 'Ailwyn' in the starting blocks. I planted one bulb 2 years ago - seems to be an excellent increaser.
She definitely is. I now have 11 flowering bulbs after buying a bulb in 2009
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I should have said "Mon petit chou".
It is often translated as meaning "my little cabbage" but the "chou" in question in this case can also be a popular kind of pastry.
Whatever the exact origin, it is a term of endearment for someone you like very much.
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She definitely is. I now have 11 flowering bulbs after buying a bulb in 2009
... somthing to look forward then.
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She definitely is. I now have 11 flowering bulbs after buying a bulb in 2009
I got a bulb at about the same time and now I have one flowering bulb and one offset. However it is such a perfect double snowdrop that it needs to be more readily-available, so I'm very pleased if others are doing better than I am.
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I agree, it is a charming double - I like the funny marks on the inner petals as much as its perfection.
I guess we'll never really know why some snowdrops thrive in one place and are slow to increase in another. But then - even in one garden - there are so many micro-habitats...
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Okay Anne, you have bred yellow snowdrops and now you have bred a very green one. Your next mission, should you choose to accept it, is to produce something like your latest green one in yellow!
I'm trying. Very trying....
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Anne,
You couldn't have painted a better one ;).
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That's an idea... ::)
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Ding Dong NOT so merrily on high!
I received this little chap through the post. It doesn't look very good to me?
Can anyone identify the cause?
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I was also wondering if anyone knew the origins of 'Tim's Hill Poe'. I was originally told
that it was found in amongst a population of Hill Poe at Evenley Wood by Tim Whiteley.
But he doesn't recall this? And doesn't know the plant!
Is there another Tim?
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Ding Dong NOT so merrily on high!
I received this little chap through the post. It doesn't look very good to me?
Can anyone identify the cause?
Stag or maybe base rot. I'd return it for a new one or ask for a refund
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I was also wondering if anyone knew the origins of 'Tim's Hill Poe'. I was originally told
that it was found in amongst a population of Hill Poe at Evenley Wood by Tim Whiteley.
But he doesn't recall this? And doesn't know the plant!
Is there another Tim?
I thought it was Timm's - but I could be wrong.
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Ding Dong is returning home! Thanks Mark
Tim with two Ms ...that might throw some light! Thanks Brian
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Hoping for sun this afternoon I brought in my pot of Godfrey Owens - lovely scent! I didn't realise the inners had eye spots
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I thought it was Timm's - but I could be wrong.
Perhaps as in Rowland Timms of Pensylvannia ?
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Here now my third special elwesii find in a netherland-import.
The outer perianth have a very round shape:
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Very nice Uwe!
Don't the leaves look a bit 'plicatus-like'?
But i'm only new at this!
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Anne, lovely snowdrop again :o. Now it is waiting for a yellow one.....will keep my fingers crossed for you.
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Uwe, congratulations :D, very nice snowdrop again !!
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Hello everyone,
A friend suggested that I ask if any SRGC members can tell me whether there are any named snowdrop varieties/cultivars which have a confirmed origin in Wales - we garden in west Wales where many snowdrops seem to thrive, but as yet I haven't come across any named ones with a definite Welsh origin/source. Any ideas would be gratefully received. Since this is a first post, apologies if it's not been placed in the correct way!
Thanks Julian
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You are very lucky Uwe, distinct shape and nice green lines ... :)
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Hello everyone,
A friend suggested that I ask if any SRGC members can tell me whether there are any named snowdrop varieties/cultivars which have a confirmed origin in Wales - we garden in west Wales where many snowdrops seem to thrive, but as yet I haven't come across any named ones with a definite Welsh origin/source. Any ideas would be gratefully received. Since this is a first post, apologies if it's not been placed in the correct way!
Thanks Julian
Hello Julian - welcome to the Forum.
I think Bob and Rannveig Wallis have introduced several snowdrops - including 'Corrin' and 'Megan' though these may have come from English stock originally - and there may be more from that "stable" and who knows what others the many Galanthophiles visiting the forum may be able to help you with. .......
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Hello Maggi,
thanks for that very prompt early reply...at least that's 2 names that I can follow up on,
BW, Julian
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How about Galanthus 'Welshway'? ???
johnw
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Hello Julian - welcome to the Forum.
I think Bob and Rannweig Wallis have introduced several snowdrops - including 'Corrin' and 'Megan' though these may have come from English stock originally -
Welcome indeed Julian and you start with a very good question. I am scratching my head and have tried searching for Wales in my database with no results - but then as they say in computing terms 'rubbish in/rubbish out'
Mmm as I understand it Corrin and Megan are named after their grandchildren and are beautiful snowdrops. I thought they might be descendants of seedlings from Primrose Warburg's garden at South Hayes - although I shall be happy to be corrected.
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I have a notion that Corrin and Megan may be derived from Warburg seedlings, too, Brian .
Oddly enough, most of the G. nivalis in my front garden are Welsh! A gift from a Welsh friend many years ago who had a lot of snowdrops growing well on her small farm - no named types though - " just snowdrops"!
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Hello everyone,
A friend suggested that I ask if any SRGC members can tell me whether there are any named snowdrop varieties/cultivars which have a confirmed origin in Wales - we garden in west Wales where many snowdrops seem to thrive, but as yet I haven't come across any named ones with a definite Welsh origin/source. Any ideas would be gratefully received. Since this is a first post, apologies if it's not been placed in the correct way!
Thanks Julian
Julian,
I'll email you with contact details for Bob and Rannveig Wallis - They'll be a great source of information I'm sure, since they grow such an amazing range of blubs.
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The late Simon Savage was based in Shropshire and introduced a number of new snowdrops which he found 'in the wild'. He gave a talk at the Galanthus Gala in 2008 but I cannot remember if he crossed the border into Wales to find his introductions.
Or if you know anywhere in Wales with a large seeding population of snowdrops then give me a few hours and I could probably find something worth cultivating and possibly ultimately naming, if it thrived.
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The late Simon Savage? Goodness, I remember his talk and bought some of his snowdrops. He was still quite a young man!
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The late Simon Savage? Goodness, I remember his talk and bought some of his snowdrops. He was still quite a young man!
Brian told us the news of Simon Savage's passing on September 1st 2012 :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9396.msg255078#msg255078 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9396.msg255078#msg255078)
John Grimshaw wrote an appreciation : http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/simon-savage-1965-2012.html (http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/simon-savage-1965-2012.html)
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Thank you Maggi, I missed that ... sad news for me now.
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Hello everyone,
A friend suggested that I ask if any SRGC members can tell me whether there are any named snowdrop varieties/cultivars which have a confirmed origin in Wales - we garden in west Wales where many snowdrops seem to thrive, but as yet I haven't come across any named ones with a definite Welsh origin/source. Any ideas would be gratefully received. Since this is a first post, apologies if it's not been placed in the correct way!
Thanks Julian
Welcome to the forum, Julian. If there is any group that can help you track down Welsh snowdrops it's this group. You already have Alan volunteering to track them down in person on Welsh soil! With your penchant for science and investigation, you will also enjoy all the technical discussions that take place here.
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Some nivalis populations seem to be sterile. For example, if you go here http://www.wheddoncross.org.uk/snowdropvalley.htm (http://www.wheddoncross.org.uk/snowdropvalley.htm) you will see large numbers of snowdrops but few if any seedlings and very little difference between the snowdrops. Seedlings produce a narrow single leaf and, although a damaged bulb can do the same, unless something is badly wrong you wouldn't expect to see a large proportion of damaged bulbs. Whereas in a seeding population of snowdrops you should see a large number of seedlings.
Wherever you find a large seeding population of snowdrops you will see much more variation between individuals and if you look often enough and hard enough you will eventually find something that might be worthy of cultivation. You then need to cosset it and observe it for a few years to make sure it multiplies and comes true. If it has good qualities and is distinguishable for the large number of snowdrops that already have a name then it might be worthy of being named itself. And name or no-name, you will probably have grown attached to it by then and want to keep it going.
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'Welshway occure in the garden of Hilary Purkiss in Gloucestershire. It was named after the old road on which her house stands so sadly has no connection with Wales
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Wonderful detective story developing! I wonder if Jim and Jenny Archibald had any special snowdrops that occurred in their garden? Species snowdrop seed was sometimes listed by them I think and could be given honorary Welsh origins! Looks like this could be a whole new terrain for snowdrop lovers.
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This talk of snowdrop origins made me review my own named snowdrop find, 'Green Light'. This came from a wood near the border between Cambridgeshire and Suffolk but to my surprise, I found I was actually in Suffolk and not Cambridgeshire when I found it (the opposite of what I had always thought I knew, but never verified). So add one to the tally for Suffolk and strike one off the tally for Cambridgeshire.
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Hi Julian,
A slightly tenuous connection… but.. 'Mrs Macnamara' is reported to have been named after Dylan Thomas’s mother-in-law… (and is sometimes grown as ‘Milkwood’!)
Tim DH
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Some nivalis populations seem to be sterile.
Alan - Such seems to be the case here, the largest & oldest nivalis stands seem to produce zero seed. Is this a ploidy issue?
johnw
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Can you get ploidy issues within a single species? I thought they arose with inter-species hybrids.
Much of the UK nivalis population may derive from a very few bulbs brought here originally for use in religious ceremony. For example, the Exmoor population I cited as sterile has clearly been there a very long time. If the original gene pool was small, perhaps selection processes then favoured a sterile snowdrop. Then I suspect many of the well-established nivalis populations in Nova Scotia might derive originally from the UK.
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Then I suspect many of the well-established nivalis populations in Nova Scotia might derive originally from the UK.
Alan - I think you are quite correct, they certainly would pre-date the advent of Dutch imports.
re: ploidy issues I think you can, at least it seems to be the case within Appalachian azalea species. I suppose one aberrant nivalis tetraploid could cross (as the pollen parent) with other regular nivalis and produce sterile triploids. I defer to anyone with a grasp of these matters......... ??? ???
johnw
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Excellent detective work Steve, I haven't got that transcript.
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I'm glad to see that this spelling of Trimmer agrees with mine and, as I suspect that is the first published occurence of the spelling it would be correct - anyone substantiate this with an occurence in their bulb list for instance?
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Brian, see further posts below....
I received my bulb of 'Trimmer',and that is how it was spelt,but if a different spelling has been published in a list or book,you may have to change the spelling. ??? ??? ???
I was reading about 'Kencot Ripple'(NOT WELSH) in a year book,and Kencot had another T on the end,So whether it needs a new label? I'm confused ??? ??? ???
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I have contacted Bob to ask his opinion , Steve - but my feeling is that he would have no problem with you giving these details - he and Rannveig spend most of their time trying to disseminate information about bulbs ..... :) 8)
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Maggi,Thankyou.
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Lets have another go-Bob Wallis-Wildings and some garden surprises
"We've got a lot of snowdrops in the garden and one of the snowdrops that we grow is Galanthus'Trym',not very well,but we are inveterate seed sowers and Galanthus 'Trym set seed for us a few years back.We selected some of these seedlings which were'Trym'-like,but rather better and the first one that we selected from our sown seed was Galanthus'Trimmer'."..........
"We selected another one,Galanthus'Josie'from that batch of seedlings ................."
"Other things that arose spontaneously from seed in the garden.One,which we selected and named after our daughter'corrin',is actually my favourite one..............."
"And then finally,we had another one,which we named after our first granddaughter Megan,which has rather nice petals that sweep out and turn up at the ends." :-[ :-[ :-[
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Tried to get some photos today, camera battery died shortly after and heavens opened again ::) so I gave up.
cant remember a more damp, muddy & depressing winter :-\
Soggy looking Headbourne.
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Copyright of the entire transcript, as a document, may well be held - and it is understandable that that would be so to prevent someone using talks "wholesale" from it - but quoting factual parts from a talk is not an infringement of intellectual property rights or copyright.
It is clear that Steve's quotes come from his copy of a transcript of a talk by Bob Wallis - there is not a contravention issue with that use. :)
Reply from Bob Wallis : " I have absolutely no problem with someone quoting my words. " :)
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Tried to get some photos today, camera battery died shortly after and heavens opened again ::) so I gave up.
cant remember a more damp, muddy & depressing winter :-\
Soggy looking Headbourne.
We've been thinking the same ourselves, Richard. Rained here most of the day , too...
The flowers do look pretty when they're "diamond encrusted" with raindrops or frost , though......
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Snowdrops are blooming here, too, in my garden at the extreme western edge of Denver, Colorado.
This will probably get me banned from the forum (and I just joined....). I'd like to be a galanthophile too, but getting snowdrops in the USA is pretty difficult. I do have several named forms, but would like to have hundreds more.
Last year, this curious snowdrop appeared in the garden here. I don't know if it will reappear; haven't seen it yet.
Bob
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Bob, the flower in front seems to be covered in spots. What's that all about?
Edit: On reflection I wonder if it is the snowdrop equivalent of a bad case of the measles?
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It's the extremely rare pink-spotted form ....
Bob
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No, it's definitely snowdrop measles. You need to incinerate it, the soil it is growing in and the gloves you used to handle it. If you didn't use gloves you are in trouble!
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Snowdrops in Denver? Now that seems similar to watering lawns... just like Peter Korn growing cacti in Sweden. What a weird lot gardeners are at times.
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Hello everyone, and a big thank you to all who've responded to my request about Welsh origin snowdrops.
A few points - firstly I reckoned Mrs Macnamara might be of Welsh origin, but in Bishop et al, it seems more likely that it was either a bulb collected by Dylan Thomas' MIL when abroad, or from her garden at the time, which seems to have been in Hampshire. So was just named in Yvonne Macnamara's name.
Secondly, it is beginning to look like West Wales may be an unexplored area for potential new variants. When we first acquired our derelict property here 20 years ago, and moved some G.nivalis, (which we'd acquired originally from Shropshire) down here, I was struck by how small they seemed compared to the 'native' snowdrops growing in a few local areas of banks and woods. Some of these were relatively massive, and many flowered earlier, and some even much later than our Shropshire sourced ones.
Thirdly there's a very high percentage of small holdings in our part of West Wales, and apparently a lot of these were set up on land given to soldiers returning from the Crimean war. Perhaps they brought snowdrops back with them, and some of today's colonies established from these?
The point about nivalis clump sterility is also really interesting. Carolyn knows that one of my real interests is which flowers are attractive to which insects - without pollination, you're not going to get much seed set. I noticed in our upland garden that bumblebees almost never visit the thousands of snowdrops we have(though we have masses of bumblebees - they go for the Crocus tommainianus and Pulmonaria. You do get a few tiny flies visiting snowdrops flopwers, and I've photographed moths inside them at night, but am unsure whether they're playing any significant pollinating role, or simply enjoying a bit of extra warmth. Carolyn will recall that by following up this concept of potential thermogenesis in snowdrop flowers, I was led to her blog, and ultimately to me starting my own. Last year a friend installed a beehive in February, and bingo. Honeybees of course will pollinate snowdrops, but you need to have a hive pretty close to the flowers - they obviously can't fly the distances in cold weather/short days that the'd manage in the summer.
And finally (phew?) I discovered just this week that the Welsh language has at least 5 different words for snowdrops, which would imply perhaps that culturally they've had a recognised place in Welsh national culture for quite some time.
So why so few, possibly from the above, just one or 2, genuinely Welsh origin cultivars?
I reckon that there are possibly a few noteworthy cultivars just waiting to be found. So seize the moment and in the centenary of Dylan Thomas' birth, head over to the Welsh lanes for a bit of prospecting? Or just to enjoy some fabulous scenery.
And rain.......
Julian - apologies if this gets posted twice - I'm hopeless with new formats....
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Julian, with a bit of practice you will readily be able to distinguish the Crimean snowdrop (G. plicatus) from the longer-establsihed G. nivalis. Look at the back of the leaves, and their eventual width as the snowdrops mature after flowering. And look at the extent of the green mark on the inner petals. If you can find some with marks in yellow instead of green then all the better. Any third colour and the world of galanthomania will beat a path to your door. You may indeed be sitting on a goldmine of untapped potential.
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Snowdrops in Denver?
I've never been to Denver and it seems to be very dry with colder winters and hotter summers than in the south of England. But perhaps that's a better approximation to the native climate of some snowdrop species?
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Well, it only got down to about -28C for a couple of nights here, but snowdrops don't care.
There was snow on the ground at the time. I stayed inside, except when the dog insisted on going for a walk.
Bob
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I have to admit to growing (or trying too) eriogonums and Rocky Mountain alpines in our Kentish garden, as well as snowdrops. It's amazing how tolerant plants can be in different gardening climates, but -28°C is cold!
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2008 was the first time I photographed Greenfinch in my garden. The following year it was very weak and didn't flower and it then failed to show. It's back, very small and has a flower.
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In the winter of 2010-2011, I lost almost all collection of snowdrops. In January was + 15C, they blossomed. From the middle of January and all February was - 5C - - 29C. Absolutely without snow. The soil froze on depth more than 1 meter. It is interesting that Galanthus graecus Orph. ex Boiss. (or Galanthus elwesii? ) taken from the wood in Odessa region, didn't suffer at all . The smallest seedlings survived even.
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2008 was the first time I photographed Greenfinch in my garden. The following year it was very weak and didn't flower and it then failed to show. It's back, very small and has a flower.
Possibly rotted and the base plate has produced another bulb over time? Hopefully it will now increase healthily.
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I totally lost my 'Greenfinch' after two years. Seems to be quite a fuzzy snowdrop ....
Ru, what a gorgeous photograph and interesting note about G. graecus!
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Galanthus 'Quatrefoil', a stable four-petals hybrid with 2 flowers per bulb, probably involving G. plicatus in its parentage. Named by Margaret Owen (I think) and thought to be a seedling of G. 'John Long'.
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Good to hear, that you all have also a lot of fun with the greenhouse. ;)
Enjoyed watching the video Hagen, Indeed it is a Dream Greenhouse.
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Your Quatrefoil is very very nice, Cyril.
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Thank you Uwe!
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Galanthus 'Quatrefoil', a stable four-petals hybrid with 2 flowers per bulb, probably involving G. plicatus in its parentage. Named by Margaret Owen (I think) and thought to be a seedling of G. 'John Long'.
Lovely to hear of a stable four-petal led snowdrop Cyril, I don't think there are that many around and it certainly has good stature ... And pedigree.
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Cyril, yes your QUADTREFFOIL looks very fine. And the inners? It seems that they are whole green? I also love the globular outer segments.
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Quatrefoil looks very striking, particularly with that green inner, lovely thing.
Yvonne & Diggory in the greenhouse.
Washfield Colesbourne, one of my favourites.
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Brian, Hagen and Richard, I agree Quatrefoil is a fine snowdrop. I have checked it closely, the petals are of very good texture and the inners completely green, plus the stature make it worth growing.
Richard, 'Yvonne' is very nice and distinct. I got it from Ian but it does not do well for me outside. Maybe I should try it in a pot.
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To Myddeleton House for my ever visit to the snowdrop sale. Blanket prohibition from my wife on any extravagant purchases, but bought this from Glen Chantry labelled as Galantus byzantinus Ex Warham (but the man said it is probably plicatus).
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Ralph, I think it's G. plicatus ssp. byzantinus.
I got a very similar (identical?) 'ex Warham' seedling from Wol Staines about three years ago. It's a fine plant and multiplies very quickly so you should soon have a nice group.
Seedlings from it (grown separately) are also coming up to flowering size, so fingers crossed for some variation and perhaps other worthwhile plants.
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Unfortunately I couldn't make Myddelton House, as I had sell plants at the 16th Whitchurch Potato Day. Mainly to pay for my Galanthus habit. A friend very kindly picked up Beth Chatto (the snowdrop!) for me.
Hopefully I will be able to make Myddelton next year if I can get cover for making a living!
I was wondering if anyone could help with this neat little double I found.
Quite tidy and regular with three-middle fangs. I am sure there is correct name.
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I can't make out the leaves, is it a nivalis type? And when you say 'found', do you mean that you think it lost its original label?
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I can't make out the leaves, is it a nivalis type? And when you say 'found', do you mean that you think it lost its original label?
It is a 'nivalis-type' I found 2 weeks ago in a client's garden amongst a population of 'Flora Plena'?. I need to go back because it was the only one out at the time and see if it is a one off.
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I would wait until next year before getting excited
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I would wait until next year before getting excited
Ok, I will hold my horses! And stick in the one to watch 'bed'!
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I don't think it is a named variety and if one had such, it would be silly to 'lose' it amongst ordinary flore plena. As Mark says, more likely to be a one-off for this year than anything else.
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Thanks Alan. I thought it was interesting because it was much earlier than the surrounding population. But as you say this might not be stable. I will have to go and have another look.
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Just have been in the garden, and some nice snowdrops have started flowering.
Very nice colour of the flower in bud of 'Joy Cozens' :o
Jade ( from Avon Bulbs )
Niv LLn 'o' Green
Elw Joy Cozens
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Hi Richard,
After 2 years my Joy Cozens is in bud again.I hope it will be as orange as yours.The first time it flowered it was so fingers crossed
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Is the orange elwesii not Galanthus' Joy Cozens' ?
http://plants.jstor.org/specimen/wsy0045271?history=true (http://plants.jstor.org/specimen/wsy0045271?history=true)
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Thank you Maggi, just have changed it ;)
Hi Loes, I am looking forward to see it flower. First year I have it ;D
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JOY COZENS
Same situation like yours Richard, but in the greenhouse.
We have snow now and -10°C,
but I can walk between the flowers.........
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Hagen, you must be very happy with your greenhouse :D. Walking between flowers when you have snow and frost outside.
Heavy rain overhere today. But big difference in weather in The Netherlands. North has frost and snow, from the middle and
down we have about 6/7 degrees and only rain. And this for a small country ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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JOY COZENS
Same situation like yours Richard, but in the greenhouse.
We have snow now and -10°C,
but I can walk between the flowers.........
Take a camera with in your greenhouse and show us photos ;D ;D Berlin also has a lot of snow, not a plant in sight :-[ and no greenhouse ...
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Brave Ailwyn:
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Took a trip to Wandlebury last week and was saddened to see that there has been no attempt to control the rabbits where the yellow and green drops are to be found. Amongst those in bloom were at least two yellows but did not spot any green ones.
Squeltched around the lawn at home this afternoon to see how the drops were coming on. Found Hugh MacKenzie had been topped this week by something.
Just a few pictures of how some are clumping up here and a twin headed Bill Clark bought last year from Wal and Sue.
Bill Clark
Ding Dong
Godfrey Owen
Hugh MacKenzie (or what is left of it)
Sandersii (one I found near Old Bewick and clumps up well - the first yellow to show here)
John (M)
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Very Nice clumps John.
Especially Godfrey Owen and Sandersii
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Yes they are nice clumps John, the sandersii especially good in a clump.
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I'm hoping moving sandersii to lattice pots will give better results here, they look great in clumps but mine just sit & sulk.
another green outer seedling from the batch I found last year.
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What a lovely seedling Richard, lucky boy!
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What a lovely seedling Richard, lucky boy!
'Lucky Boy' - good name for it, Brian.
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wow - looks like a striped Diggory
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Nice one Richard!
Reminds me of Jacobean pants!
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An even better name :D
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Jacobean Pant - good word/name found, friends!!
Irm, here is the first color of JOY COZENS.
Now I'm standing side by side with the plant, waiting to see more and more ;).
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Here is a Gn with dark green shiny leaves, called BLATTGRÜN.
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GRÜN BIS IN DIE NAGELSPITZEN has a green base on the outer segments.
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GRÜN BIS IN DIE NAGELSPITZEN has a green base on the outer segments.
I have an elwesii, found in a garden centre, that also has a green base to the outer segments. I suspect it's a feature that often passes unnoticed.
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GRÜN BIS IN DIE NAGELSPITZEN has a green base on the outer segments.
Really like that with the green inner as well.
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first year with flowers :
Galanthus woronowii "Cider with Rosie"
Hans 8)
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From today walking in the wild plicatus! Cant wait till they are all open ;D
And yes this is at my nursery!
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and more that had to made smaller in kb!
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last one ;D
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Looks like you had sun today, to highlight your wonderful white crowd.
Sunshine here, too...
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Very nice photos today from all !!!
Here still a find from the netherlands elwesii-mix:
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Can anyone identify snowdrops that reliably produce twin bells.
I have a clump where 3 plants have twin bells, but unfortunately the flowers have suffered damage and I cannot identify.
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Hello Alan,
a green base on the outers have only a few of the named cultivars.
And it is not the most important attribute.
Also in my cultivar it goes together with a good shape of the flower and with dark green inner segments.
Then and only then it is worth to give a name.
Only a green base on the outers is not enough.
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Can anyone identify snowdrops that reliably produce twin bells.
I have a clump where 3 plants have twin bells, but unfortunately the flowers have suffered damage and I cannot identify.
Selborne Greentips does (and doesn't necessarily have green tips). Mrs Thompson does sometimes as well. Isn't Kite another one?
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Bolinopsis - that's a lovely photo.
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a green base on the outers have only a few of the named cultivars.
For example, Hagen?
Only a green base on the outers is not enough.
I agree entirely. The one I have does not have a name and will not get one unless I find more reasons to like it. I just had the feeling that people tend to pay attention to outer petals with green tips but tend to ignore or not notice green at the base. That made me speculate that maybe the phenomenon is more common than we realise. But if you tell me its not common, Hagen, then I'm sure you are correct.
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Alan
COURTEEN HALL / MODERN ART
FIELDGATE FORTE
and also Gerard showed us a type two years ago!
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Another strange one, a seedling probably (nivalis?)...
It seems to have lost its "head"! (should I call it Galanthus 'Sleepy Hollow'? ;D)
Does it happen sometimes on yours?
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Zephirine, that does sometimes happen with double snowdrops. Yours is a big fat one and I presume it is a double. Maybe these doubles "know" that they are incapable of being pollinated so do not bother to develop the ovary?
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I went to check, Alan, and you are right, it is a double.
I do remember planting a few bulbs of double nivalis in that place, a few years ago (a gift from a friend). None of them had ever come back so far...
It will be the only double in my garden, anyway! (I like the single ones better...)
Better late than never, and better beheaded than nothing! ;D
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The mark on the inner petals looks too large for a pure nivalis double and the inner petals are very neatly arranged, which is rare for a pure nivalis double. Could it be a nivalis x plicatus hybrid double, such as one of the Greatorex doubles?
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I don't kow, Alan...I'll have to wait until it opens fully, to have a better idea.
I'll keep an eye on it, and I'll come back to you when I have better pics. You make me curious, now! ;)
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Good article by Val Bourne in the Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/plants/10601297/The-mad-world-of-snowdrop-collectors.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/plants/10601297/The-mad-world-of-snowdrop-collectors.html)
:)
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Bolinopsis - that's a lovely photo.
Thank you, Anne. Muddy knees afterwards...
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Arthur, what about G. 'Warwickshire Gemini'? Within a clump there will always be a few with two flowers to the scape and, as I spotted yesterday, an odd one with three - see the photographs below.
Galanthus 'Warwickshire Gemini'
Can anyone identify snowdrops that reliably produce twin bells.
I have a clump where 3 plants have twin bells, but unfortunately the flowers have suffered damage and I cannot identify.
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Or Harewood Twin?
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Or Harewood Twin?
An elegant flower on what looks like a good sturdy stem.
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wolf whistles at nivalis Green Zebra ;D http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Galanthus-nivalis-Green-Zebra-snowdrop-/141176737994 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Galanthus-nivalis-Green-Zebra-snowdrop-/141176737994)
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Open in the garden:
. 'Hercule': a tall and large-flowered G. elw. (monostictus) from Mark Brown
. 'Deer Slot'
. 'Ballerina': very similar to 'Mrs Wrightson's Double'
. 'Welshway': a neat little double with a eye-catching ovary
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Paddy, thank you for the picture. Mine only has 1 flower, but just got the bulb last summer. Hopefully it will have twinflowers
next year .
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Steve, great to see this snowdrop again. Very lovely snowdrop with good strong flowers :D
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Freddy, very nice marking on your 'Deerslot'. Lovely to see.
I like 'Welshway' vey much, very nice ovary, as you said.
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Or Harewood Twin?
nice photo Steve!
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Or Harewood Twin?
Lovely pair,Steve ;D.This one was found 15 miles down the road from me.
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Sadly no sign of my Hercules :'( I'll have to have a wee poke tomorrow
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I was inspired to brave the cold breeze with the lens to see what 'Saraband' was doing this year. Apart from the one single bulb all the others look to be behaving and have two flowers...sorry about the quality but it was breezy.
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Yet again my Ivy Cottage Green Tips have very little or no green tips. Does anyone have one or two spare to swap or sell?
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Mark, I cannot understand you. Often Ge and hybridsof it aren`t able to show green marks on the outers every year.
We had a lot of discussion about GREEN BRUSH and others.
I have only IVY COTTAGE CORPORAL, it is also a Ge-hybrid.
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I was inspired to brave the cold breeze with the lens to see what 'Saraband' was doing this year. Apart from the one single bulb all the others look to be behaving and have two flowers...sorry about the quality but it was breezy.
Brian,
This is a new one to me.Do you have any background on it? :o
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I see Galanthus elwesii "Don Armstrong" sold for £165 on EBay :o
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'Harewood Twin' a beauty; 'Green Zebra' a magnificent virescens !
A few more from the garden:
. 'Mr Blobby':This elwesii has the unusual tendency to make an extra inner and outer segment; overall rounded form (flower and ovary);
. 'Cornwood': A very early flowering nivalis;
. 'Yaffle': Puckered outers, flowers and ovary lime-green;
. 'Llo 'n' Green': A nivalis from the Gorges de Llo (French Pyrenees), mostly with five separate green lines on the outers.
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(GULP) my Llo'n'green doesn't look like that.....
Anyway,
A few portraits taken today, the first a group of seedlings from my favourite chunky gracilis.
2960 gracilis open
Galanthus Bitton
Galanthus Duxford Giant
Galanthus Faith Stewart-Liberty open
Galanthus Greenpeace open
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More:
Galanthus North Star
Galanthus North Star face
Galanthus Rosemary Burnham rule
Galanthus koenenianus x fosteri 14
Galanthus koenenianus x fosteri leaf
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Am I missing the point about 'David Baker'? Or do I just have a pup? Several pups from different sources. In fact the other 2 pups have ears coming out of strange places...
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The 'Bible' says:
At first the flowers of 'David Baker' resemble'Atkinsii', not only in their narrowly triangular shape but also in their inner segment marking. As they develop further, however, the margin around the apex reflexes somewhat, producing a slight outward curve that becomes more pronounced in warm conditions
The mark can be stronger in some years than others here.
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Brian,
This is a new one to me.Do you have any background on it? :o
Search for SA0902 Steve ;)
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Lovely close-ups from David : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8483.msg234174#msg234174 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8483.msg234174#msg234174)
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In fact the other 2 pups have ears coming out of strange places...
Hope they're not from my litter Anne ???
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;D ;D In fact all the bulbs of it I have, from different sources, including yours, are acting strangely. I'm interested to know if they've ever been chipped? Maybe this is responsible for the faintness of the marks. Don't know about the ears though! Descended from James Backhouse or some similar crackpot variety maybe. Not complaining, all the bulbs were kind gifts.
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The one from me was never chipped Anne. I'll have to have a look at my clump tomorrow afternoon.
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Can you take a photo of yours? In fact I'd like to see anyone's flowers of this variety.
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;D ;D In fact all the bulbs of it I have, from different sources, including yours, are acting strangely. I'm interested to know if they've ever been chipped? Maybe this is responsible for the faintness of the marks. Don't know about the ears though! Descended from James Backhouse or some similar crackpot variety maybe. Not complaining, all the bulbs were kind gifts.
I have many acting strangely this year. Flowers very small, deformed flowers, Atkinsii Moccas form acting like James Backhouse
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Can you take a photo of yours? In fact I'd like to see anyone's flowers of this variety.
Blow, just got onto the computer and the light is going, will send you one tomorrow Anne ... as long as it is still dry!