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Title: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 01, 2008, 04:32:11 PM
Half an hour in the warmth of my study and Crocus michelsonii 'God's Look' opened its flowers today.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ian mcenery on January 01, 2008, 04:44:37 PM
Nice crocus Anthony her is a little treat I gave myself over Christmas from Ashwood. Only a few on sale as yet but this one took mt fancy for shape and colour contrast
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on January 01, 2008, 07:04:53 PM
I wanna onea those-to both ;D
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Armin on January 01, 2008, 10:29:12 PM
Nice crocus and helleborus.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paul T on January 01, 2008, 10:41:00 PM
Anthony,

That is one corker of a Crocus.  What a colour combination!!  Beautiful!!  I've arranged to finally get C. mathewii this year here in Aus, so I'll finally get to see one of those lovely dark centred Crocus one of these years!!  I just love the pics I've seen of them.  I like the height and proportions of your one in particular..... very nice.   8)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 02, 2008, 10:13:39 AM
Great way to start off the year !
C. Michelsonii hais been on my wants list for a while but your picture only put it higher on the list Anthony !  ;D

Too bad Ashwood is a bit out of the way from here...  ;D  I wouldn't have minded a Christmas treat like that one either....  8)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 02, 2008, 12:36:06 PM
Nothing very special but one or two nice things out in the garden as well as snowdrops.  I think I have the pruning regime for the Witch hazel right as it is smothered in flowers, so pretty at this time of the year I wish I had room for some more varieties.  My eye was also taken by good old Helleborus foetidus, I must get all the old foliage on the hybrids cut down, I see that eric smithii is heavy with bud.  Nearby a Silybum had seeded in the vegetable patch, the rosette is most attractive...but it will have to go when the patch is dug over!  Another joy of this time of the year is the seedheads on the clematis, this one is a tangutica and smothers one side of the gazebo.  The Daphne mezereum has been flowering since late October.  I planted it near the back door so that we could enjoy it even if we didn't feel like gardening.  The birds sit in it's protection and eat the food from the seedfeeders and also peck the branches (for insects?).  Lastly, also by the back door... but in a pot are two Correa, this one is "Dusky bells" I think, you can see why they are called New Zealand fuschia.  The yellow one has several buds but only one flower out, it's a very pretty soft yellow.  I am struck yet again at how much is still in flower, on my walk this morning I passed several gardens with roses in bloom.  I don't think they will enjoy the cold spell which is about to hit us.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 02, 2008, 12:38:00 PM
Whoops hit the wrong button!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paul T on January 02, 2008, 09:53:36 PM
Do you guys really call Correa "New Zealand Fuchsia"?  I'm not sure there are actually any Correa that are native to NZ...... if there are then they are very few as the vast majority of Correa are native to Australia, predominantly South East Aus as far as I know?  Interesting that they're been attributed to NZ rather than Aus in their common name.  Shows why common names can be somewhat misleading!!  ;D
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 02, 2008, 10:21:45 PM
Sorry Paul et al  I had meant to say Australian but had been looking at one of the other threads and had that fresh in the mind ::)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paul T on January 03, 2008, 12:49:59 AM
No problemo.  Just thought it was strange..... particularly as NZ already has Fuchsias (F. procumbens) to start with.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 03, 2008, 03:24:28 AM
And it would be something of a reversal as well, since the Aussies are known for "pinching" everything good that is ours, such as Dame Kiri Te Kanawa, the luscious Pavlova dessert, bands Splitenz and Crowded House, a certain famous race horse called Phar Lap, etc etc etc..... :D
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paul T on January 03, 2008, 06:23:24 AM
Now now Lesley.  No need to get snitty.  As a peace offering I'm happy to offer you Russell Crowe back if you'd like??  ;D (now where is that innocent smiley with a halo when you need it?)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: rob krejzl on January 03, 2008, 06:44:44 AM
Paul,

You're probably happy that L'il Orphan Kylie's been 'adopted' out as well.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paul T on January 03, 2008, 08:59:46 AM
No, I just don't think much of Russell, that's all!!  ;D
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 03, 2008, 09:08:24 AM
Now now Lesley.  No need to get snitty.  As a peace offering I'm happy to offer you Russell Crowe back if you'd like??  ;D (now where is that innocent smiley with a halo when you need it?)
Ah, but do we want him?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Katherine J on January 03, 2008, 11:26:48 AM
Shows why common names can be somewhat misleading!!  ;D

Well, the hungarian common name of Saintpaulia ionantha is Capensis violet  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: mark smyth on January 03, 2008, 11:41:14 AM
Maybe we should have gone to Ashwoods instead to Colesbourne. I really want a very nice Hellebore of two for the centre of one of my raised beds
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Mick McLoughlin on January 06, 2008, 07:53:19 PM
Seems to be the only thing in flower in the garden at the moment.
So I'll post picture of Helleborus niger from today.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 06, 2008, 10:20:18 PM
Mick,

The weather must be kind in your neck of the woods. I took a few photographs of H. niger but the blooms were all splashed and splattered following recent rain.

However, there were some things in flower at the moment.


Brian,

I grow a few witch hazels and have never pruned them at all and would not do so except they were getting in the way of something important.


Paddy

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 06, 2008, 10:32:44 PM
I meant to mention above in reference to the photograph, 'Cyclamen coum with seedling'  that this is a very simple method I have used very successfully to propagate Cyclamen coum and C. hederifolium in the garden. When the seed capsule is ripe and beginning to split, I scrape back a patch of the bark which I use as a  mulch and then scatter the seeds on the ground. They invariably germinate the following season. You can see the patch of seedlings above. Reputatedly, ants will otherwise collect them and disperse them according to their own purposes.

Meanwhile some more photographs from the garden today:

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 06, 2008, 10:36:21 PM
And a last few,

Paddy

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Diane Clement on January 06, 2008, 10:41:08 PM
Paddy, your cyclamen are lovely plants, but the ones labelled as cilicium are both persicum.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 06, 2008, 10:44:13 PM
Perfectly correct, Diane. These were bought as Christmas decorative plants a few years ago and have continued to do well on each following year. I will go back and correct the names, if I can.

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 06, 2008, 11:07:34 PM
Paddy

This witch hazel was spreading quite a bit and only flowering at the ends of the branches.  I wanted to reduce it's size and get more flower and it does seem to have worked.  We went to one of the National Collections of witch hazel last year and the holder said they could be pruned successfully if they became too big for their space which prompted me to have a go.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 07, 2008, 08:23:39 AM
You already have quite a colourful display Paddy !  Nice plants and pictures.  Once again the Green Isle is way in front of us, half frozen "continentals"  ;D
Your I. K. Hodgekins makes me long for mine to flower - I'll need to be patient for 6 or 8 more weeks or so.  Thanks for making the waiting seem shorter  ;).
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Katherine J on January 07, 2008, 08:50:11 AM
Flowers and foliage now, after a day and night of sleety rain. But finally the sun is shining!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 07, 2008, 11:49:01 AM
Paddy isn't 'Gravetye Giant' a form of Leucojum aestivum?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: mark smyth on January 07, 2008, 12:48:02 PM
Paddy must have been on the drink yesterday
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 07, 2008, 01:51:00 PM
Mea culpa, Hic!

How did you notice?

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 07, 2008, 01:57:58 PM
Luc,

I'm afraid it is not really a colourful display but an odd bloom here and there except for the shrubby plants shown. There really is only a handful of daffodils in flower, not that many snowdrops - more promising to flower but not that many actually open yet. But when flowers are scarce they may be appreciated all the more.

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on January 07, 2008, 05:04:33 PM
My Narcissus 'Jenny' is just beginning to show above ground as is Iris 'Katharine Hodgkin'. You must have dodged all the bad weather in Waterford Paddy, and I thought I lived in a balmy (barmy!) part of the world. Iris retic. 'Gordon' is well up but no trace of danfordiae yet and no sign of a flower on my Iris unguicularis.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 08, 2008, 01:10:42 PM
David,

It was a case of one of those 'pet, days on Saturday last. Friday was terrible, as was Sunday. Today, again is a frightful day and I wouldn't even venture out to look at the plants.

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Rob on January 11, 2008, 04:02:07 PM
I've got this hellebore hybrid in a pot so I was able to take the photo indoors.

It has been raining all day, with some sleet mixed in this afternoon.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on January 11, 2008, 06:34:18 PM
Pretty plant Rob, and a lovely photograph.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 11, 2008, 07:49:27 PM
Lovely, Rob.

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Casalima on January 13, 2008, 03:54:33 PM
Ipheions "Jessie" (darker than it looks - some sun came out just as I was taking the photo!) and "Alberto Castillo". Jessie has been flowering slowly but steadily since early December. Alberto Castillo has just started.

Chloë
in wet, when-in-rains-it-pours north Portugal
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 13, 2008, 08:20:09 PM
Chloe,

A very well timed posting of your Ipheion 'Alberto Castillo' when Alberto has just started posting to the forum.


Odd to be growing him in our gardens, so to speak, when he is posting to the forum.

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Darren on January 14, 2008, 01:03:06 PM
Belated happy new year everybody.

I've been enjoying the Wisley log recently, though most put-out to discover a massonia species I'm not growing - yet! (M.hirsuta). I've been growing a number of these for some years the following are currently in flower:

Top is (allegedly) a form of M jasminiflora which was offered in the Mesemb study group seed exchange a few years ago . A Hamburg BG seed collection. Terry Smale told me that one of his seedlings had flowered with strikingly pink anther filaments and fortunately one of mine has done likewise. To my eye it bears little resemblance to the other forms of M jasminiflora I grow (which despite the name smell disgusting!). This is a little past it's best - the outer flowers had gone over and have been removed - Paul is absolutely right about botrytis on the dead flowers with this genus.

Next up is M depressa, which is just opening now and is the last species to flower with me (The first - M.pygmaea, flowers in september). Note the pools of nectar like those in Paul's Daubenya pictures. I don't grow any Daubenya. I've had seedlings of D aurea before but found them very difficult indeed.

Then a few other bits and bobs. an Iris reticulata flowering in it's 7cm seed pot. Was open pollinated seed from one of Alan McMurtry's reticulata hybrids. Looks like straight reticulata to me, possibly with some I histrioides influence.

As well as massonias this South african is in flower at the moment. Gladiolus maculatus. A lovely scent too. Many more in flower than there were last year so I'm hoping for a good seed crop.

Last up is the very lovely Scilla aristidis (or aristides depending on who you read). This has the charming characteristic of staying compact despite flowering in the depths of winter and under glass.






Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Gerdk on January 15, 2008, 01:14:13 PM
Only one pic of Ranunculus calandrinioides from Morroco.

Gerd
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 15, 2008, 01:30:36 PM
Gerd,  when do you water your Ranunculus calandrinioides after its summer rest?  How quickly does it then come into growth then?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on January 15, 2008, 01:31:51 PM
Lovely pictures Darren and Gerd
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 15, 2008, 02:17:19 PM
Darren,
That small gladdy looks super !
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Gerdk on January 15, 2008, 02:28:58 PM
Gerd,  when do you water your Ranunculus calandrinioides after its summer rest?  How quickly does it then come into growth then?

Maggi,
I water them later than other wintergrowing species around the middle of November. It comes into growth about two weeks later. I have two pots, one of them is faster than the other.
This species is very suscectible to mildew when grown inside. So I give them the shelter of a greenhouse only during very cold spells.

Gerd
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 15, 2008, 02:56:30 PM
Thanks, Gerd.
I am interested that it is as late as November, this is valuable advice for anyone new to this lovely plant.
Growing at this time of year it is nicest to be able to enjoy it under glass, anyway...... especially with  the weather at the moment!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 15, 2008, 03:55:07 PM
Another point, Gerd, do you give them overhead protection when they are outside in better weather?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Gerdk on January 15, 2008, 06:57:56 PM
Another point, Gerd, do you give them overhead protection when they are outside in better weather?

This plant is one of the very few I have which vagabondize around in my garden acording the weather, best at the  sunniest place, under overhead protection in a corner when it is very windy or during heavy rains and inside the greenhouse during temperatures below zero.
I must confess this is not the specialists way. Best cultivation during winter and spring perhaps is to keep this plant permanently in a sunny and good ventilated alpine house. Deep temperatures never damaged the plant. Dry during the resting stage.

Gerd
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 15, 2008, 07:05:43 PM
Whatever you do with it Gerd, it looks very attractive !  ;)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 15, 2008, 07:28:40 PM
Maggi,

I grow R. calandrinioides  outdoors on a raised bed and it has done very well over the several years it is there. It is in growth at the moment.

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 15, 2008, 07:45:22 PM
You surprise me, Paddy. I would have thought it would get too wet during the summer and rot off.
Waterford is even better than I thought, eh?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 15, 2008, 09:25:04 PM
Maggi,

Of course Waterford is brilliant. Don't I live here!

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 16, 2008, 11:57:29 AM
Paddy, LOTS of Ireland is brilliant... look what arrived for us  today from Geebo (Guy) in Nenagh.....
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Two lovely hellebores... Many thanks for this generous gift, Guy and Maureen  :-*  I have a great spot for them where I think they will do well.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 16, 2008, 07:51:38 PM
Haven't seen Guy on the forum in ages. Coax him back.

Good looking hellebores.

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: hadacekf on January 16, 2008, 08:08:17 PM
I grow R. calandrinioides outdoors and it has done very well over the winters in the last years. This year it survived 5 weeks permafrost without snow. The temperature was between - 12° and - 5° C. all days. The plant did not have protection. Nevertheless it comes of Morocco it is perfectly hard in my garden.
This photo is from today. Temperature 8° C.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Gerdk on January 16, 2008, 08:19:05 PM
I grow R. calandrinioides outdoors and it has done very well over the winters in the last years. This year it survived 5 weeks permafrost without snow. The temperature was between - 12° and - 5° C. all days. The plant did not have protection. Nevertheless it comes of Morocco it is perfectly hard in my garden.
This photo is from today. Temperature 8° C.

Franz,
I would like my plants (only 2) would ever look as yours. Very impressive!
I tried some younger plants outside and they look very bad after some time and finally died.
It was not the cold which killed them but our wet summers. The plants weren't able to turn into the resting stage.

Gerd
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 16, 2008, 08:26:04 PM
Franz,

I am amazed how well forward you plant is considering your temperatures are so cold. Despite our milder conditions  my plant is only now putting out its leaves.

Great photograph.

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 16, 2008, 08:27:12 PM
Lovely healthy plants, as ever, Franz. It was the wet in summer that was the problem with ours, for sure.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: hadacekf on January 16, 2008, 08:28:30 PM
Gerd,
You are right, our summer is not as wet as yours.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 16, 2008, 08:51:25 PM
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Haven't seen Guy on the forum in ages. Coax him back.

Guy is around betimes, Paddy. I think winter is bad for him and he has been very busy. He'll pop up one of these days, I expect.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 16, 2008, 10:11:18 PM
Darren,
That small gladdy looks super !

I wonder is it Gladiolus maculatus?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: johngennard on January 16, 2008, 10:22:43 PM
A few images that I took today in the alpine house,the first are of three different plants of helleborus thibetanus showing the variation in both leaves and flowers and a tray of cyclamen coum 'Maurice Dryden' flowering in the tray in which they were sown and Adonis.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 16, 2008, 10:30:51 PM
That's good enough to cheer anyone up in this weather, John.

H. thibetanus is a delightful plant... ours are safely underground at the minute, a treat for later.
How nice to see the mass of Coum 'Maurice Dryden'  because I was a huge fan of the real chap, who is so very sadly missed. I was greatly touched when Kath phoned me to offer condolences on the death of my Father at Christmas , so near to the anniversary of Maurice's death.... that dear lady has a heart of gold.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 16, 2008, 10:36:29 PM
Super helleborus thibetanus John, I must look out for it to go amongst the snowdrops.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ian mcenery on January 17, 2008, 05:27:21 PM
Lovely plants John my thibetanus are outside so looking a little bit more bedraggled

Here is Iris Histrio because I find digital (unlike film) overdoes blue I have tried to bring this back to the lovely pale violet clour of the true plant
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ian mcenery on January 19, 2008, 05:23:06 PM
In case people are getting fed up with white fever here is something ELSE coming up at present.  ::)

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: mark smyth on January 19, 2008, 06:43:35 PM
I've always fancied Gymnospermium. How easy are they? Can they do OK outside also?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on January 19, 2008, 07:14:24 PM
Mark I always keep mine inside in a pot.It needs a long hot dry(what a joke here) summer rest but others may grow it outside. They are very easy doing it my way

I planted all my Helleborus thibetanus out lat year and wait to see if they survive. The seed from last year is just germinating as a back up if the garden proves fatal.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ian mcenery on January 19, 2008, 07:29:35 PM
Tony is right Gymnospermium likes very little water even when growing it comes from arid mountains - see reference in Janis Ruksans - in eastern asia where many tulips and juno iris come from. The trick will be if "I" can keep it even in a pot!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 19, 2008, 10:25:57 PM
I managed OK in sunny D. Eventually exchanged my last plant, but it flowered well every year. Never set seed though.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Kenneth K on January 20, 2008, 11:57:31 AM
Here in western Sweden we have a really mild winter this year (like last). Some say it has something to do with the greenhouse effect. I don't know! The bulbs in our bulb bed does not care about why it is so mild. They just grow. In the absence of sun they don't open though. In the case of this one I don't care. I find it more attractive this way. It's a white form of Colchicum szovitsii.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 20, 2008, 02:06:45 PM
Beautiful, Kenneth, the pure white of the bud with the contrast of the dark foliage ... 8)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: John Forrest on January 20, 2008, 04:16:13 PM
I don't know about 'Global Warming', I think Blackpool has got stuck on the 'Rinse Cycle'!!!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on January 20, 2008, 04:45:19 PM
Cyclamen pseudibericum in flower now,I think it should have waited another couple of months
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 20, 2008, 04:55:03 PM
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I think it should have waited another couple of months
Well, I am certainly appreciated the sense of those animals who are safely tucked up in hibernation at the minute! Most of our plants are keeping their heads down in the garden and  under glass things are fairly quiet... they must know Ian's away!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Carlo on January 20, 2008, 06:17:58 PM
"I don't know about 'Global Warming', I think Blackpool has got stuck on the 'Rinse
Cycle'!!!"

Probably better than 'spin'...
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 20, 2008, 07:03:14 PM
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www.mobileliveryservices.weebly.com
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Probably better than 'spin'...
For this  comment Carlo wins the "optimist of the day award".... this prestigious awards consists of a bar of finest chocolate... naturally, with the current world situation, the SRGC cannot take the risk of any item , such as this prize, being tampered with, contaminated by any noxious substances etc, so I have taken it upon myself to exhaustively test said choc bar and, while I am delighted to assure Carlo that it was fit for purpose and quite untainted, my tests have resulted in the ingestion of the prize..... I could send the wrapper, I suppose, or might I be being TOO optimistic to believe that would be acceptable?? ::)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: dominique on January 20, 2008, 10:25:14 PM
With bright sun to day, some shrubs are already in flower
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: dominique on January 20, 2008, 10:27:16 PM
and Chimonanthus praecox with his hyacinth perfume
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 20, 2008, 10:30:02 PM
There is still plenty of water in your river, I see, Do!
My red Hamamelis, which I tink may be Diane, but I am never quite remembering it, has finally come out, she is usually much earlier than this. The yellow is late, but is in a shadier spot.
I don't have the Chimonanthus... though I love scented plants.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on January 20, 2008, 10:39:35 PM
Beautiful Chimonanthus! It's on my wish-list now.
Hope it does like Ph. 6.5 or 7 ??
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paul T on January 20, 2008, 11:33:43 PM
Lovely pics everyone.

Tony W.... that Cyclamen psudibericum is just glorious!!  Haven't seen a pale pink like that before.  I think I've seen pics of a pure white, as well as the traditional bright pink (which is what I grow and love), but not that lovely pale.  Outstanding!!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: dominique on January 21, 2008, 12:43:10 AM
Maggi, my garden is along the River Doubs and the snow of the Jura begin to turn in water. It is always a charming spectacle to see many waterfowl, herons, aigretts and swans which go on the water or along without see us.

Luit, Chimonanthus is not exigeant on the PH. I have seen it on calcareous grounds too.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Katherine J on January 21, 2008, 08:55:17 AM
Here in Hungary there are Hamamellis and Chimonanthus only in botanical gardens  :'( :'( :'(
Men think they are not enough hardy for our climate, though they thrive in sheltered positions, I've seen in arboretums very nice plants. They are absent in nurseries too.
Most people does not care for winter-goodlooking gardens here.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: dominique on January 21, 2008, 10:15:24 AM
Katherine
if you want, I can send you seeds of them or cuts if success or perhaps seedlings of a friend who sow them in autumn.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Katherine J on January 21, 2008, 10:36:19 AM
Thank you very much Dominique, but I can obtain seeds here. The truth is, that the garden in which we live is not our own, this is a house with 9 flats, and everybody has something to comment (and nothing doing) if I want to plant something, so I have my plants in pots. Maybe someday, in another place.
I was jus moaning about the absence of gardening culture here. ;D
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on January 21, 2008, 05:00:17 PM
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Luit, Chimonanthus is not exigeant on the PH. I have seen it on calcareous grounds too.

Thanks, I'll give it a try when I can find a nice grown plant!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 21, 2008, 07:45:07 PM
I'm surprised that no-one is calling the Chimonanthus by its "common" name, of "wintersweet," the most appropriate common name in the world surely. I actively look forward to winter for that delicious, cold scent and I'd bottle it if I could. Like the wonderful perfume of Philadelphus `Belle Etoile' which is out at present, the wintersweet is one I can quite literally smell in my dreams and I've many times woken to have either scent right there in my nose, even though it may not be their flowering time.

Wintersweet takes many years to flower from seed which I suppose is why most nursery stock is grafted. The variety 'Luteus' has a bigger, all yellow flower and similar perfume.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tim Murphy on January 21, 2008, 07:47:27 PM
Lots of species hellebores in flower here at the moment.

1. Helleborus vesicarius.
2. Helleborus vesicarius.
3. Helleborus atrorubens from a small site in southeast Slovenia.
4. As above.
5. Helleborus atrorubens from a site west of Zagreb where a good proportion of the flowers are spotted and veined.
6. Helleborus croaticus from the largest site I know of for this species in northeast Croatia.
7. As above.
8. As above.
9. An as yet un-named species from high up in the Velebit mountains, Croatia.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 21, 2008, 07:52:35 PM
Great to see the flowers starting on your hellebores, Tim. They are all looking very healthy....looking forward to seeing more, of course!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tim Murphy on January 21, 2008, 08:20:23 PM
That's good to hear Maggi because there will be many more to come over the next few weeks :-)

Helleborus niger is looking good this year too. All of these plants have been grown from wild collected seed as have all of the Cyclamen purpurascens growing in amongst them. Our damp, cool summer meant that some of these C. purpurascens had 50+ flowers on them last year.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ian mcenery on January 21, 2008, 08:41:45 PM
Great plants Tim look forward to seeing some more
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on January 21, 2008, 08:49:02 PM
Tim lovely hellebores.

Paul thanks for your comments re the cyclamen.I have a selection of these in pale colours,the form of the flowers of some of them comes very close to libanoticum. Three more pictures from last year
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: John Forrest on January 21, 2008, 09:57:41 PM
Obviously I was tempting providence with my remarks about Blackpool getting stuck on the rinse cycle. Look what my cold frame looked like this morning. It has never done this before!!!!!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on January 21, 2008, 09:59:57 PM
John I though you had posted a picture of mine by mistake!!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: John Forrest on January 21, 2008, 10:03:36 PM
On a happier note this beautiful but tiny Cyclamen alpinum is in flower in the alpine house AND grown from SRGC seed sown Jan 05.
Top view to show the propellor shaped petal arrangement
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: John Forrest on January 21, 2008, 10:05:35 PM
Obviously you were under the same dark cloud Tony. The irony is that it also caused problems to the pumping station and we are without water  :'(
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 21, 2008, 10:11:02 PM
Bad news on all the water fronts, then JoF.... hope you are not long without house water and VERY quickly without frame water......you can prove you weren't exaggerating about the rain though, that's for sure. What a mess! :'(
The Cyclamen  is a little stunner... glad its okay.... was the water  not getting into the lower part  of the alpine house ?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 21, 2008, 10:22:16 PM
Just had a thought... can Teasel swim? :o
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 21, 2008, 10:49:42 PM
John,

Obviously a plunge bed rather than a cold frame.

Below, on the kitchen table on my return home this afternoon, a selection of Helleborus X cultorum picked by Mary from the garden during the day.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 21, 2008, 10:58:49 PM
I was happy to see some shrub photos posted earlier, as that is about all
I have to enjoy.  My shrubs - Arbutus unedo, Mahonia Charity, Fuchsias,
Jasminum nudiflorum, and Grevillea victoriae bloom all winter.  Maybe it
it is because the deer don't like them, and they're too big for the rats, which
instead eat little things like cyclamen, crocus, and hellebores.

I do have a few snowdrops already open.  Fortunately, nothing eats the
flowers.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: tonyg on January 21, 2008, 11:02:26 PM
Cyclamen coum has rushed into flower in the last week at temperatures soar.  Also Cyclamen alpinum (as we now call it) which is a favourite of mine.  Small is beautiful.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 22, 2008, 11:11:38 AM
Just going out for lunch but was stopped by Helleborus x. ericsmithii flowering by the door of the garage.  Lots of buds still to come!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 22, 2008, 12:55:08 PM
Obviously a Helleborus with flower power Brian !!!!  :o
A real stunner !
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 22, 2008, 07:45:13 PM
Luckily no flooding here. Plenty of mud though. Here are the orchids in my greenhouse - mostly Orchis and Ophrys in the foreground with Barlia, Serapias and Anacamptis behind.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: johngennard on January 22, 2008, 07:50:07 PM
John's cylamen alpina or is it trocoptheranum? reminded me to take a picture of my own trocopterhanum album.Rod Leeds spotted this when visitiing my garden with a snowdrop group about 3yrs ago and told me that the album form was quite rare.Can anyone confirm that this is the case?
I was also surprised to find Rhod.sitchoense well on the way to being fully open and Daphne jezoensis in the alpine house
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 22, 2008, 08:22:05 PM
Anthony, your orchids are looking  very healthy  :D
John, what a nice selection... great colours in these (for most of us) very dull days!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 22, 2008, 08:30:04 PM
John Cyclamen alpinum is the 'new' (old? correct?) name for trochopteranthum.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tim Murphy on January 22, 2008, 08:31:35 PM
John's cylamen alpina or is it trocoptheranum? reminded me to take a picture of my own trocopterhanum album.Rod Leeds spotted this when visitiing my garden with a snowdrop group about 3yrs ago and told me that the album form was quite rare.Can anyone confirm that this is the case?

John, although C. alpinum forma Leucanthum is likely to be in the collection of most hardcore cyclamen enthusiasts, it's not a particularly easy plant to get hold of in any numbers or from all that many sources, so yes, it is quite rare. The problem I have found with my own stock plants of alpinum f. Leucanthum is that a very small proportion of seedlings come true, even when the parent plants are kept together but away from normal forms of alpinum.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Carlo on January 22, 2008, 08:32:33 PM
John,

It would be Cyclamen trochopteranthum (note spelling) which is now a synonym of C. alpinum (if the chaps in England are to be believed--I still like the old name myself...)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tim Murphy on January 22, 2008, 08:35:04 PM
Only one chap was responsible for the name change, Carlo... C G-W.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 22, 2008, 08:38:24 PM
Quote
I still like the old name myself
Me too and it's fun to tell children about the name and show them why it is relevant.
Also, it always reminds me of how our nephew used to talk of his passion for "helicopeters".... we still call them that! Oh, and another of his words "tangerIan"... yes, Cyclamen trochopteranthum is good enough for me :D



Quote
Only one chap was responsible for the name change, Carlo... C G-W.

Yes, indeedy ::)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 22, 2008, 11:25:36 PM
John,

It would be Cyclamen trochopteranthum (note spelling) which is now a synonym of C. alpinum (if the chaps in England are to be believed--I still like the old name myself...)

I like trochopteranthum myself. One sounds so clever when pronouncing it.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on January 22, 2008, 11:40:03 PM
You can not sell a book unless you have something new to say!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: John Forrest on January 23, 2008, 08:28:45 PM
Thankfully the water is back on in the house and the water in the garden has subsided. We are half way down a gentle sloping hill and so the water seeps onwards to the next garden and the cold frame emptied in about 24 hours. One redeeming feature of the flooded frames was all the small black keel slugs laying drowned when the water subside.
Teasel thought the puddles were great fun and even more so managing to wipe her paws on my trousers, whilst trying to encourage me to throw her toy to retrieve. I won't bother you with my comments to her!!!
Yesterday began with frost and the air was still so I took a picture of the Witch Hazel.
In the alpine house a nice Narcissus romieuxii which, like the Cyclamen alpinum (the label of which now bears both specific epithets, to please all our readers) was also from good old SRGC seed, sown in Jan 2005.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 23, 2008, 10:11:08 PM
JoF, what great pictures.... my yellow Hamamelis is only just showing the tiniest beginning of colour. I've never known it so late.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: annew on January 24, 2008, 02:28:20 PM
It's SUNNY at last  Cool, blowing a gale as well, but caught a picture of Hamamalis 'Diane' at her best.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 24, 2008, 04:51:17 PM
Oh, yes, Anne, that is perfect with the sun showing the colour, just the best way to appreciate the flowers.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Martin Baxendale on January 24, 2008, 08:59:54 PM
With no frosts at all, my wintersweet, Chimonanthus praecox 'Luteus' is looking good - not one frosted flower. The scent is fantabulous, but a bit mixed up with fragrance of the huge (2.5m - 8ft) Daphne bholua 'Jaqueline Postill' right next to it. With these two, plus half a dozen scented winter box around the front path, and the mild weather, the walk to our front door from the road doesn't half smell nice - almost overpowering today!

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on January 25, 2008, 11:45:50 AM
Martin the joys of living nearly in the south.The chimonanthus is wonderful.We have never had a flower in many years of growing.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on January 25, 2008, 11:48:40 AM
A couple of things in flower in thee greenhouse. The orchids are just starting as is the cyclamen parviflorum

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Martin Baxendale on January 25, 2008, 11:57:41 AM
That orchid is just so exquisite!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on January 25, 2008, 12:20:20 PM
Nice Tony, really nice.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Gerdk on January 25, 2008, 01:56:05 PM
Just Narcissus albidus from Afourer/Morocco

Gerd
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Gerdk on January 25, 2008, 01:59:39 PM
These are Helleborus atrorubens thriving since November and Cyclamen persicum from Israel

Gerd
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: johanneshoeller on January 25, 2008, 04:18:17 PM
Helleborus thibetanus

Hans
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 25, 2008, 04:33:56 PM
A very fine form of the plant we call Helleborus thibetanus, Hans.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 25, 2008, 04:35:59 PM
It's a real smasher Hans !
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Casalima on January 25, 2008, 05:28:15 PM
Super!!!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 25, 2008, 10:26:29 PM
These are Helleborus atrorubens thriving since November
How sprightly!  I like the way there are so many flowers, all nicely
arranged on an upright stem.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 25, 2008, 10:34:51 PM
Quote
These are Helleborus atrorubens thriving since November 

Quote
How sprightly!  I like the way there are so many flowers, all nicely
arranged on an upright stem.

Great colour and so good that they HAVE been thriving since November... great garden value 8)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 25, 2008, 10:57:07 PM
A couple of things in flower in thee greenhouse. The orchids are just starting as is the cyclamen parviflorum



That's a lovely orchid. Not one I've seen before. Early too.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: kalle-k.dk on January 27, 2008, 05:43:15 PM
Today it has been lovely weather here in Denmark, almost like spring. A couple of plants are beginning flowering.

Karl Kristensen
Denmark
www.kalle-k.dk

Adonis amurense Chichibubeni
 Helleborus x hybridus yellow double
 Primula ovalifolia ssp. cralifolia


Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Diane Clement on January 27, 2008, 06:42:26 PM
A little walk round the garden today with a whiff of spring in the air
Hamamelis
Cyclamen coum in a trough
Eranthis hyemalis
Iris Katharine Hodgkin
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Diane Clement on January 27, 2008, 06:50:39 PM
... and in the greenhouses
a strange sight in mid winter - Silene californica - has been in flower almost non stop since last summer. 
Petrocosmea grandiflora doing very well this year
Narcissus Camoro wonderful green sepals (just had to throw out my second pot of this due to virus, along with a pot of N wilkommii  - so sad, but not worth the risk  :'( )
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on January 27, 2008, 07:14:17 PM
Spring's not far away, even in Denmark.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: mark smyth on January 27, 2008, 07:37:40 PM
Great to see a low level photo of the Eranthis. Mine are very late this year with only a few up.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 27, 2008, 07:44:06 PM
Loving that fat Petrocosmea, Diane!
Narcissus is N. 'CAmoro', with an A not an O !
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Diane Clement on January 27, 2008, 08:29:51 PM
Loving that fat Petrocosmea, Diane!
Narcissus is N. 'CAmoro', with an A not an O !

Yes, sorry, of course, a silly slip from me, I know it's from N CAntabricus MOnophyllus x ROmieuxii  I believe, thanks to Henry and Margaret Taylor for the cross and the name.

The Petrocosmea's been a treat this year, always flowers in the dead of winter, but never so well as this.  And I've done some leaf cuttings  s-l-o-w  to take but I think I have some rooted.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ranunculus on January 27, 2008, 08:30:19 PM
Beautiful images folks....many thanks.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Gerdk on January 28, 2008, 01:19:27 PM
Just beginning to open

Ranunculus cadmicus ssp. cyprius

Gerd
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ian mcenery on January 28, 2008, 05:38:03 PM
Here today floweing a couple of Hellebores the first is a self sown seedling of Black Prince (also in the gardenand a plant dating back at least 80 years) and a newer "black" strain from Ashwood a couple of years ago. Both are darker in reality. Also I Katherine Hodgkin - note the slug pellets spread after some pest had cut down 3 flowering stalks. And finally Leucojum vernum
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 28, 2008, 05:40:46 PM
Superb Hellebores Ian !  :o
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ian mcenery on January 28, 2008, 05:43:25 PM
Luc the time of the Hellebore approaches  8)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 28, 2008, 05:48:05 PM
One fever replacing another ???   ;)
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ian mcenery on January 28, 2008, 06:00:32 PM
Aye Luc that's right but with Hellebores there is a chance that with some you can tell the difference  ::)


Ian
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on January 28, 2008, 06:20:05 PM
Here today floweing a couple of Hellebores the first is a self sown seedling of Black Prince (also in the gardenand a plant dating back at least 80 years) .....

Ian, I take it you didn't plant it? ;D
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Armin on January 28, 2008, 06:24:56 PM
Ian,
a nice clump of Leucojum vernum. So early - beautiful. :D
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paul T on January 29, 2008, 05:03:41 AM
Wonderful pics everyone.  Enjoying them immensely.  Sooooooo far from Eranthis here at the moment, so it is nice to be reminded of their little bundles of joy.  ;D
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on January 29, 2008, 07:29:32 AM
Ian, that Prince-seedling is a beauty. Would be nice to see a picture
of the real Prince. Until now I've only heard of "Ivory Prince". cannot imagine
such a seedling is coming out of that?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ian mcenery on January 29, 2008, 12:01:46 PM
Luit in naming the plant I had a senior moment the parent is Black Knight Not Prince which you will find in the Hellebore history. When BLACK KNIGHT comes into flower I will post a picture. I think it my seedling may be a natural cross with a plant I acquired as a "seedling from Hamburg Black Grape" but I have never found a reference to such a plant. Nice plant though very floriferous and early.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on January 29, 2008, 04:37:45 PM
Thank you Ian, looking forward at your Black Knight.
It has to be really better, otherwise.....! Your seedling is a stunner.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ChrisB on January 30, 2008, 09:36:24 AM
Took a couple of photos of plants brought to our HPS meeting on Monday night by David Boyd, of the AGS Ponteland group - Scopiolus bigelovii and Crocus chrysanthus 'Sunspot'
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paul T on January 30, 2008, 09:45:31 AM
Chris,

I just love Scoliopis bigelowei.  It's always a joy when it flowers here each year, even if it is the tiniest thing when grown in the garden and therefore at ground level instead of a pot.  ;D  Tiny, but perfectly formed.  The Crocus as I've said before to Mark S in the Crocus thread is just gorgeous!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ChrisB on January 30, 2008, 12:35:38 PM
They made me drool, Paul and I just had to take their picture!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 30, 2008, 02:14:00 PM
Sunspot's definitely on my wants list for next season.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ChrisB on January 30, 2008, 07:17:23 PM
So expensive though!  But beautiful.  Could get several pints for the price of just one bulb!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: mark smyth on January 30, 2008, 07:22:17 PM
Anthony place your order now because Rob says he doesnt know if he will have the stock this year
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on January 30, 2008, 07:35:28 PM
So expensive though!  But beautiful.  Could get several pints for the price of just one bulb!

Nice plant, but I think I'll have the pints and wait for it to come down in price!
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paul T on January 30, 2008, 09:25:37 PM
Ah... there's a man with the right (??) priorities!  ;D
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 30, 2008, 09:30:14 PM
A chum and I walked along to a local hotel on sunday, where an Antiques and Collectors' Fair was taking place. It was stiflingly hot in the hall and so after a while we were gasping for a drink... tootled along to the bar and ordered a Martini and lemonade and a glass of white wine..... £11.55.... I nearly fainted clean away.... the bar seems to sell double measures as standard and price accordingly.... I know I don't get out much but I was really shocked... that was a Crocus 'Sunspot' plus the postage!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ChrisB on January 30, 2008, 10:25:48 PM
And your crocus would be there again next year for you Maggi!  Wonder which is the better buy?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 30, 2008, 10:30:39 PM
The better buy would certainly be the Crocus, Christine!! Next time out I'll take my own bottle of water :P

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: ian mcenery on January 31, 2008, 03:26:22 PM
This one is for Paul. A minute Trillium relative flowering in a trough. Don't remember it being this early before  ???
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on January 31, 2008, 06:59:15 PM
tootled along to the bar and ordered a Martini and lemonade and a glass of white wine..... £11.55.... I nearly fainted clean away.... the bar seems to sell double measures as standard and price accordingly.... I know I don't get out much but I was really shocked... that was a Crocus 'Sunspot' plus the postage!  :o :o :o

Probably only buy you a glass of water in London or Edinburgh,just shows the advantage in living in a remote spot (I could not think of a better description )
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: hadacekf on January 31, 2008, 07:14:45 PM
At present Cyclamen coum flowers with an unusual bloom in my meadow.
It is a self seedling. What do think the expert?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Gerdk on January 31, 2008, 07:51:12 PM
At present Cyclamen coum flowers with an unusual bloom in my meadow.
It is a self seedling. What do think the expert?

Franz,
I am far away to call me an expert but I would like to ask the same question. I noticed  this phenomenon also at C. coum and C. persicum.
Is it possible that flowers can't go to their ' normal ' position when conditions are wrong (too cold/hot, roots disturbed, etc.)?

Gerd
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: hadacekf on January 31, 2008, 08:20:39 PM
Gerd,
That is possible, but all other blooms are normal.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 31, 2008, 10:17:27 PM
Could it be a hybrid with the one with whirly petals?  Alpinum.

It also flowers in winter, and is closely related to coum,
according to Grey-Wilson's book.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Renate Brinkers on January 31, 2008, 10:22:04 PM
All these great pictures here, will also try to post one.
At the moment Eranthis `Grünling´is flowering here.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 31, 2008, 10:57:49 PM
I've never seen a green Eranthis before. 

I have a pale yellow one, just coming up, and a yellow-orange
which started flowering a week ago.  The ordinary yellow one
has not emerged yet.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 31, 2008, 10:59:56 PM
Then there are the ones that could have been
flowering if they hadn't looked delicious.

Usually the deer just bite, but sometimes they bite and pull.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Renate Brinkers on February 01, 2008, 09:10:53 AM
The same here, the usual form E.hyemalis start to grow a little later. I have a orange one, `Schlyter´s Orange´that looks like yours and a pale form named `Schwefelglanz´.
Fortunately there are no deer in my garden, only a young dog which found all of the Galtonia bulbs while searching only five minutes.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paul T on February 01, 2008, 11:26:45 AM
So do the named varieties of Eranthis come true from seed, or are they only propagated via division etc?  I've only ever really heard about them here on the SRGC, never elsewhere.  The only ones I know of here in Aus for sure are the straight species (although there are a couple of minor variations in strain there I think), and var auranticus.  I don't know of any other variants here, although that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't.  If they come true from seed then there is obviously more hope of finding them in Australia than there would be if division is the only method of importation.  By the sound of it there are something like 10 different named varieties now, at least that at a rough guess would be how many I think I can recall seeing names of?
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: John Forrest on February 01, 2008, 08:27:53 PM
Franz, I have had Cyclamen coum hybridising with C. alpinum and producing similar flowers to yours.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Ed Alverson on February 02, 2008, 02:24:33 AM
While spring may be just around the corner, winter has its certain charms.  In our part of the world the prevaling color in winter is a damp gray green.  One of the sources of the green in the forest is the mass of epiphytes - mosses, lichens, and even ferns.  Here are a couple photos of the fern Polypodium glycyrrhiza, which is a close relative of Polypodium vulgare.  These are photos from the wild, not from gardens - no humans have had a hand in creating these scenes!

Ed
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Renate Brinkers on February 02, 2008, 12:06:35 PM
Paul,
when I got it it was said that E.`Grünling´, `Schwefelglanz´and `Schlyters Orange´ will come true from seed. At that time they haven´t been flowering sized, now they are and all `Grünling´are really true, from `Schwefelglanz´and `Schlyters Orange´ I only got two of each and now I have a 50:50 rate. When they set seed this year I will try. As the gardener from which I got it is a good one whom I trust and who has a lot of experience with growing Eranthis I believe that they are true.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Paul T on February 02, 2008, 12:22:15 PM
Renate,

Are you growing them well separate from each other, or else isolated from bees etc so that they can't cross pollinate?  otherwise they'll just cross amongst themselves anyway.  Good luck with getting more, and keep us in mind when you eventually have more seed than you need.  I'm sure there are a few of us here who'd give it a try, even if it was only a 50/50 chance of true from seed.  At least we could isolate the 50% that WAS true!!  ;D  I'd love to see pics of the seedlings as they flower, jsut to see what the differences between them are.  As I mentioned, other than talk of it up here on the SRGC I've never heard of named forms other than auranticus, so they're all fascinating to me.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Hans J on February 02, 2008, 01:00:08 PM
Renate + Paul ,

I'm also keen for this plants!
I grow "Schwefelglanz" + "Grünling" as mature plants - in year 2006 I have received from a good source also seed from both .....I think not they will flower in this year -but shure next year -so we will see .
ALso I have pollinate my both plants last spring and also sowing those seeds .....
E. h. "Flore plena" does not seems produce seeds - so I make cuttings in last year ....

I still search for E. h. aurantiacus !
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: johanneshoeller on February 03, 2008, 03:44:22 PM
Here are my C.coum with the unusual flowers although my garden is in the Austrian Alps and the soil is frozen.
Hans
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Renate Brinkers on February 03, 2008, 10:06:18 PM
Hans and Paul,

I grow it as isolated as it is possible and I hope I will get lots of seed!

The E.h.`Flore Plena´I have can not set seed, there are only flower leafs. As I know there are some different sports.
Title: Re: Flowers and foliage January 2008
Post by: Renate Brinkers on February 03, 2008, 10:12:33 PM
Paul,

Eranthis x tubergenii `Guinea Gold´is another named one but I haven´t seen it yet.
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