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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: ArnoldT on December 21, 2013, 05:45:29 PM
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Winter arrived here 20 mins. ago.
Narcissus romieuxii tow views
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I think winter arrived here too just yesterday Arnold though it is just 3 days before our mid summer Christmas! Wild, slashing rain and hail, a bitter wind and low, low temperature. Today is better - no rain - yet - but it certainly doesn't feel like summer!
Your Narcissus are beautiful and no doubt many more are on the way. What is wonderful about our gardens is that no matter what season it is and how much we miss this or that plant, we know it will be along again in due course. There's always something - many things - to look forward to. I'm looking forward to Iris reticulata forms while Iris ensata is flowering. :)
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Some pictures from the alpine house at RBGE. Some appeared on TV and some newspapers recently in items about unusually mild weather bringing on early flowering. The reporters exaggerated just how early they are as they seemed to think all daffodils flower in spring. Most of these are forms of Narcissus bulbocodium ie N. b. praecox and albidus or N. romieuxii. Also in the sand plunge is a white Nerine and Crocus laevigatus in a lilac form.
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I saw those reports, Stan - I was a bit surprised that no-one from RBGE had tried to explain the position regarding the flowering season of these flowers - but then decided that the RBGE was probably just grateful for any publicity, even if misleading!
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Here's two:
Narcissus cantabricus Peppermint
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Narcissus cantabricus eu-albidus
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I saw those reports, Stan - I was a bit surprised that no-one from RBGE had tried to explain the position regarding the flowering season of these flowers - but then decided that the RBGE was probably just grateful for any publicity, even if misleading!
I think the botanics people did try but the media had decided on their story regardless!
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Happy New Year for all formists :) :) :)
This is my first post of 2014.
Narcissus albidus var. foliosus, ex. SF 284/2. This is the first flowering hoope-petticoats in my stock. There are at least 2 different seedlings in this pot and I'll post the others later.
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Happy New Year Tatsuo
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Atlas Gold, shining in the darkness of this wet day
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Two for today.
Temps here at 9F this morning.
Narcissus romieuxii Julia Jane
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Narcissus cantabricus subsp. cantabricus var. kesticus
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Lovely Arnold. Despite the awful weather here Julia Jane is just starting to open her buds for me too. I was also pleased to notice today that some seedlings of N. rupicola watieri that I sowed in September are pushing through now. :) I have also sowed some kesticus, so hopefully these have germinated, this will be a new plant to my collection.
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Starting to flower here N romieuxii JCA805. Most are very floppy due to lack of light
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I think the botanics people did try but the media had decided on their story regardless!
That sounds about right Stan. Newspaper reporters get a fixed idea in their heads, maybe something to make a good headline, and they want to know NOTHING of the real circumstances. "Don't let a few FACTS spoil a good story." >:(
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What a difference a day makes (cue for song?). Beautiful day today, dry (for a change) and sunny (for even a greater change) and un-seasonally mild-back to normal tomorrow though.
Chance to look in at the greenhouse without getting soaking wet-Narcissus romieuxii 'Joy Bishop'
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At last we also have some respite with dry, sunny and calm days. Forecast to continue for a while too! :)
Narcissus 'Camoro' has just gone over, her flowers having lasted for almost a month but little chance to enjoy them with the foul weather we've had.
Narcissus romieuxii 'Julia Jane' has taken over, these flowers have just opened with more buds to come. Amazingly, the plant is not too etiolated either! The white chips would not be my first choice, but believe it or not marble grit is the cheapest we can get here (quarried 'locally' on Skye and used a lot for harling).
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Your pictures David, show so well the difference between 'Joy Bishop' and other forms. That scalloped edge is very pretty and very distinctive. 'Julia Jane is a great form too and seedlings come quite true on the whole. Some of mine are a bit trumpet-like but most are quite flat open and with thick, crepey texture which holds the weather well. They're all outdoor plants here, a great pleasure in the winter.
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Oh Lesley, growing anything outdoors here is...challenging! Let alone my fragile Narcissus in the midst of all our winter gales. It's frames, frames and more frames - I do a nifty line in fish crates (washed up on the beach) as cold frames. The rewards are very satisfying though.
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Just before the cold will arrive some pics of Narcissus hispanicus perez-chiscanoi (ex seeds from Rafa) flowering exceptionally early.
Also I add from the greenhouse Narcissus romieuxii from northern Morocco and Narcissus cantabricus from Calatrava/Spain.
Gerd
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I am really pleased with a seedling flowering for the first time. It was sown in December 2008.
The seed parent was from SRGC seed sown in 2001.
Narcissus romieuxii ssp albidus var. zaianicus f. lutescens x cantabricus whew what a mouthful ;D
The first picture is one of the original seedlings. I think this is the parent of the second. I do not remember having any Narcissus with such strong yellow colouring in flower at the same time.
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very nice, this yellow form, Roma. Thank you
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The white chips would not be my first choice, but believe it or not marble grit is the cheapest we can get here (quarried 'locally' on Skye and used a lot for harling).
Isn't harling an Irish cross between rugby and hockey? ;D
Gerd your cantabricus is a lovely shape, and Roma - your seedling is a cracker!
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Nice flowers from all,
here my first Narcissus this year. Outside in bud, open flowers in a frame:
Narcissus 'Nylon'
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Narcissus albidus
Narcissus x 'Atlas Gold
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Harling is covering a house wall with plaster and then throwing granite chips or latterly, crushed cockle shells against the wet plaster. It provides a weather proof exterior and hides poor bricks and brick work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harl)
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Narcissus romieuxii Julia Jane.
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Narcissus romieuxii var. mesatlanticus
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Narcissus albidus
Derived from a collection by Bob & Rannveig Wallis (RRW8853), Morocco, Middle Atlas, Afourer.
Although from the same locality as the well known plant collected by Mike Salmon & Mark Fillen (SF110) I have been unable to discover whether it is from the same population.
The flowers are quite large - the corona is 38 mm diameter
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Narcissus albidus
Derived from a collection by Bob & Rannveig Wallis (RRW8853), Morocco, Middle Atlas, Afourer.
Although from the same locality as the well known plant collected by Mike Salmon & Mark Fillen (SF110) I have been unable to discover whether it is from the same population.
The flowers are quite large - the corona is 38 mm diameter
I venture to suggest that if the heart of the viewer of this flower does not beat faster for seeing such a little beauty - there can be little hope for them! What a gorgeous blossom. ( and a fine portrait)
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The first N hedraeanthus opened today - with my thumb for scale!
This little one increases well but has tiny flowers, with a small corona, and only flowers after a hot summer. I had another, much nicer, form which has since died out but I did manage to cross the two first and the seedlings look big enough to perhaps flower next year.
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A gem of a Narcissus, Darren. I have some on their way, am not sure how they'll do so far north, but here's hoping.
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The first N hedraeanthus opened today - with my thumb for scale!
This little one increases well but has tiny flowers, with a small corona, and only flowers after a hot summer. I had another, much nicer, form which has since died out but I did manage to cross the two first and the seedlings look big enough to perhaps flower next year.
Darren - very nice. Silly question I know, but how hot is "hot". I've had N. hedraeanthus for 4 years & never seen a flower. N. hedraeanthus subsp luteolentus seems much more willing to flower under my conditions.
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Gerry,
Last summer our greenhouse exceeded 40C on many days. Though the plants are plunged I expect the soil temperature reached the high 20s. These are the first flowers here for around 5 years but every bulb seems to have a bud coming.
Amazingly, none of my bulbs under glass have actually objected to the high temperatures and many are flowering better (predictable in the case of the South African species). Some South Americans (Trichopetalum plumosum and some Leucocoryne) have decided to grow this year after taking 2 years off, presumably related to two cold summers.
That said, the 'alpine' bulbs are now grown outside in a frame (Crocus cvijicii is in flower!) so don't experience the high temps.
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Thanks Darren -
That's hot! I must work out a method to achieve these temperatures here. I wonder whether covering the pots with black polythene would work?
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That is a really delightful hedraeanthus, Darren.
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Gerd, Congratulations for this narcissus. Just for your notes, this name is no longer valid, everybody even F. Casas has retired it, maybe you can maintain this name only for geographical procedence, but It is currently considered N. confusus.
Note: Narcissus perez-chiscanoi ---> N. confusus
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Last summer our greenhouse exceeded 40C on many days. Though the plants are plunged I expect the soil temperature reached the high 20s. These are the first flowers here for around 5 years but every bulb seems to have a bud coming........
According to Blanchard, N. hedraeanthus is found in the Sierras de Cazorla (among other places). Google tells me that Summer temperatures there are 25 - 29C.
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Thanks Darren -
That's hot! I must work out a method to achieve these temperatures here. I wonder whether covering the pots with black polythene would work?
It's always a balancing act though isn't it? There are a few frits not showing yet so I can't be certain 'everything' liked it. Those that are up look OK though.
My Ferraria often spend their summer against the south facing glass in black plastic pots and get a proper baking but I'd be careful what else I tried it with. Another possibility is pop them into a heated propagator at 25C for the whole of august? A bit more controllable!
The heat did badly scorch a few cacti and succulents!
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According to Blanchard, N. hedraeanthus is found in the Sierras de Cazorla (among other places). Google tells me that Summer temperatures there are 25 - 29C.
Possibly more reliably warm, and for longer, than the average UK summer. Until last year we had not exceeded 25C, even under glass, for more than a few days each summer, for several years.
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At last I have some daffs to contribute - mostly hoop-petticoats, seedlings of selected crosses.
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Some which are not my own seedlings:
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More:
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There's always one, isn't there? ;D
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Those are stunning Anne 8) Such beauties, so well grown & photographed.
Could that lanky one in your last picture possibly be N. lagoi?
Here it's substantially taller (15-20 cm) & several weeks earlier than other asturiensis forms I have, and already first flowers are open outdoors.
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Those are stunning Anne 8) Such beauties, so well grown & photographed.
Could that lanky one in your last picture possibly be N. lagoi?
Here it's substantially taller (15-20 cm) & several weeks earlier than other asturiensis forms I have, and already first flowers are open outdoors.
Anne - A beautiful selection.
Ashley - N. lagoi (yours) has just opened here; only about 12 cm tall. No sign of other N. asturiensis forms.
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N. lagoi is an ancient name no longer valid. It is just a Narcissus asturiensis, maybe a bigger tetraploid lineage also called var. villarbildensis.
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N. lagoi is an ancient name no longer valid. It is just a Narcissus asturiensis, maybe a bigger tetraploid lineage also called var. villarbildensis.
Rafa - N. lagoi is not recognised by Kew but seems to be recognised by Blanchard (1990) who claims it is not in cultivation. Plants/seeds were distributed under this name by Brian Duncan. The plants I have under this name certainly look very like N. asturiensis but, as Ashley noted, flower very early - much earlier than other N. asturiensis forms.
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Some gorgeous wee gems there. 8)
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The Blanchard book is, unfortunately, more than 20 years out of date now. We badly need a new monograph.
The tall asturiensis/lagoi is a seedling from my own asturiensis crossed with asturiensis from AGS seed. It looks very like Cedric Morris, doesn't it?
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When a new monograph is written, it would be nice if we could get the taxonomists to have a moratorium on changing names for a few years....
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N. lagoi, is similar in floral characters to N. asturiensis, but the rest of characters are similar to var. villarbildensis (is not accepted as well) Chromosomically is also not important, so to me, all of them are the same species from Ancares to Miño river etc... Concerning floral time I think it's important of course, although this character is not considered (like color and scent) important, just adaptations. They are important to me, but I think it is necessary to studied it in the field.
I accept Flora Iberica as the only key for spanish flora, there are very very good botanist and they can research in the field every time, but in this genus I am not agree in general with their work. In the case of N. lagoi I think they get right retireing it.
I think KEW has recently update its database, it seems not accepted.
Another name not valid, that I mentioned here several times is Narcissus miniatus, finally also retired by KEW.
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Thank you, Rafa. I will label the tall asturiensis as tall asturiensis!
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Narcissus asturiensis (“Narcissus lagoi”)
A gift from Ashley who supplied the following information: “OP seed ex 0281 (Brian Duncan)”.
As I noted above, N. lagoi Merino is not accepted by Kew who regard it as a synonym for N. asturiensis (Jord.) Pugsley
The plant is about 11cm tall.
Edit-
This form appears to be tetraploid. See:
J. M. Zonneveld The systematic value of nuclear DNA content for all species of Narcissus L. (Amaryllidaceae). 2008, Plant Syst Evol 275:109–132
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I'm a narcissus ignoramus - can someone enlighten me? Is it normal for Nacissus bulbocodium to sprout leaves in the autumn and keep them right through the winter?
@ Gerry: a lovely little flower!
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I'm a narcissus ignoramus - can someone enlighten me? Is it normal for Nacissus bulbocodium to sprout leaves in the autumn and keep them right through the winter?
Yes, quite normal.
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:D Thanks! (They were probably absent in the last couple of winters because it was so cold.)
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Thanks for your comments on 'N. lagoi' Rafa. I use this old name only to refer to a distinct form rather than to claim taxon status.
There are some interesting field notes here (http://daffodils.thenortherngroup.co.uk/?p=1255).
A very nice portrait Gerry. It's obviously enjoying life there, despite almost Mediterranean conditions ;) ;D
Here your N. calcicola are only just showing.
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Anne, what such a beautiful set of daffodils. I especially love cantabricus petunioides x albidus. The flower's bearing is interesting.
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Thank you Yann, that cross has produced some lovely seedlings.
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Lovely hybrds and selections you have, Anne!
This is the newest petticoat in my stock. I obtained this plant with a bud as very funny name “Narcissus cantabricus conspicuous ???” from a nursery 2 weeks ago, and the flower looked fully open on outside bench today. Yes, I think it’s an early flowering selection from N. bulbocodium or its varieties.
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Quite well known in these parts and flowering reliably...
Narcissus romieuxii "Craigton Clanger"
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and the nephew : N. romieuxii "Craigton Clumper"
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Glad to see the Craigtons are doing well for you Luc - they are flowering well here though 'Craigton Clanger' is not open yet.
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This narcissus flowering now, initially appeared in a pot of Iris narbutii. It is quite short with a fairly large cup. I am not too clued up on narcissus naming. Is this just Narcissus cantabricus? I don't remember N. cantabricus was growing nearby.
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Hi Cyril,
It looks like a cantabricus to me: white stigma and filaments contained within the flower and lacking a pedicel.
I find the promiscuity and free-seeding nature of plants in Section bulbocodium one of their great charms :)
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Matt, thank you for telling me about the essential features of N. cantabricus. I will keep growing it as it seems eager to grow, multiply and flower. Sometimes one gets pleasant surprises from these self sown seedlings.
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I would say also N. cantabricus, Cyril
Any idea of the name of this Narcissus, from Antalya Turkey. It seems an old hybrid that is growing everywhere. 60cm
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It looks like 'Butter and Eggs' see http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Butter%20and%20Eggs&lastpage=1 (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Butter%20and%20Eggs&lastpage=1)
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Thank you Anne!
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Some Narcissus are flowering :D
Narcissus papyraceus_14-01
Narcissus tazettus italicus_14-01
Narcissus jonquilla_14-01
Narcissus tortifolius_14-01
(edit to add plant names)
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superb Hans!, this N. tazetta italicus caught my attention is it natural plant?
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Some Narcissus are flowering :D
Beautiful Hans.
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Thank Rafa and Gerry! Narcissus tazettus italicus is said to be a sterile hybrid between N. tazettus and N.papyraceus and seeems to be very common in Italy - on Mallorca you can find it sometimes next old houses, I was given this ones several years ago with no name from an old lady who told me those narcissus were older than she was. :)
Some more...
Narcissus albicans_2_14-01
Narcissus cantabricus foliosus_14-01
Narcissus hedraeanthus_14-01
Narcissus cantabricus tananicus_14-01
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Wonderful, Hans - are these in flower in the wild now?
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Wonderful, Hans - are these in flower in the wild now?
Thanks a lot Anne, seems I have to start to weed - those are all from my garden. ;)
I do not know if they flower in the wild now as none of them are native on the Balearic Islands.
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Magnificent daffodils in your 'semiwild' conditions - especially Narcissus tortifolius which seems to be very tricky here in the north.
Gerd
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Thanks a lot Anne, seems I have to start to weed - those are all from my garden. ;)
;D ;D ;D
Probably not as wild as my garden Hans.
Just enjoy it as a 'natural setting' for your beautiful narcissus and iris ;)
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Any idea of the name of this Narcissus, from Antalya Turkey. It seems an old hybrid that is growing everywhere. 60cm
Your narcissus looks multi-headed for me. I remember a daffodil blooming in my garden now. Double flowered mutant of Narcissus tazetta var. chinensis.
It's a very common and traditional daffodil here and said that reached Japan from Mediterranean in ancient times by the Silk Road. Perhaps your daffodil from Turkey has some relevance to this one ::)
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I just love the snippets of history surrounding bulbs like this one. 8)
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It looks like what is in the trade here as "Double Roman" which DaffSeek is lacking a pic!
cheers
fermi
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Thanks a lot Anne, seems I have to start to weed - those are all from my garden. ;)
I do not know if they flower in the wild now as none of them are native on the Balearic Islands.
OOps! It does look very natural... ;D
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Narcissus albidus
Derived from a collection by Mike Salmon & Mark Fillan (SF 110),
Morocco, Middle Atlas, Afourer.
Narcissus romieuxii subsp. albidus (Emb. & Maire) A.Fern. is the name accepted by Kew
Under my conditions, the flowers of this form appear somewhat more substantial than those of the Wallis’ form (RRW 8853) also from Afourer (see post 26 above).
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"post 26 " referred to by Gerry in the post above this, is on page two of this thread : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11168.msg291417#msg291417 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11168.msg291417#msg291417)
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Nice plant Gerry
Narcissus asturiensis from seed sown 2008.
Thanks Rafa
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Fantastic, Ian, congratulations!
Thank you Tatsuo, It looks very similar....
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N. albidus ex SF110 is a really good group, Gerry. It also gives some very nice seedlings!
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N. albidus ex SF110 is a really good group, Gerry. It also gives some very nice seedlings!
I like them too Anne. They came from you in 2011!
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Ahah!
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Narcissus bulbocodium var. genuinus
Not sure it is a valid name.
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Looks genuine to me. ;)
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Narcissus 'Craigton Clumper' enjoying some late afternoon sunshine - I think it was last Saturday
Narcissus zaianicus
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Another flower from seed from a cantabricus x zaianicus hybrid
Narcissus hybrid sown 2009
Narcissus hybrid sown 2008 - I've shown this one before but it's still brightening up the greenhouse these dull days
I think this is their mum
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CC looks just great with the sun shining on it.
Lovely to see the range of colours coming from your hybrids. One of the joys of the precocious hoops :)
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Beautiful hybrids, Roma.
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Thank you, Matt & Anne.
The original was from SRGC seed sown in January 2001. I see from the label it was zaianicus lutescens x cantabricus not the other way round. The offspring were from open pollinated seed so I can claim no responsibility for the result.
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Nice variations of seedling, Roma :)
A seedling of (Narcissus bulbocodium var. tenuifolius x romieuxii subsp. albidus var. zaianicus) x self. It's a 6 day-old flower and looks still something greenish.
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Tatsuo I wish mine were as compact.
A petunioides type from me thanks Anne
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Nice! Did I give you that??
Some photos taken today. Weirdly, Treble Chance looks quite different from the photo I took in 2011 which is whiter and wider.. ???
Narcissus Atlas Gold 14 rule
Narcissus Atlas Gold 14 close multi
Narcissus Don Stead rule
Narcissus Don Stead close
Narcissus Treble Chance 14 rule
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In fact Treble Chance looked rather like Ian's one above! ;D
Some hoops from Brian Duncan:
Narcissus Lemon Flair close
Narcissus Lemon Flair rule_1
Narcissus Limey Lass rule
Narcissus Limey Lass close multi
Narcissus Lemon Flair left Limey Lass right
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I have a zaianicus hybrid as well!
Narcissus zaianicus lutescens x cantabricus rule
Narcissus zaianicus lutescens x cantabricus close 14
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Your bulb house must be look spectacular right now Anne? Some lovely plants there. Limey Lass looks like a 'good doer'. But tell me, does Don stead always have that slightly squashed look to it?
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You got me thinking there, Matt perhaps it depends on how far open the flowers are.... here are a few shots from Bulb Logs of 'Don Stead'
Narcissus 'Don Stead'
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Nice! Did I give you that??
Hi Anne it came from you as Narcissus cantabricus petuniodes it is very nice in the flesh and i can't wait for it to make a potful (I hope). I have wrongly labelled the picture romiexii oops
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You got me thinking there, Matt perhaps it depends on how far open the flowers are.... here are a few shots from Bulb Logs of 'Don Stead'
Narcissus 'Don Stead'
Thanks for the montage Maggi. The flowers that are more open certainly look less flattened. It has the fluting in the corona too which affects the shape. I guess so many hoops open as perfect round flowers, but I rather like the effect of Don Stead - which means it'll end up on my shopping list ::)
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My Don Stead came from Ian (thanks!), so it is the same clone. I hadn't noticed they were squashed, but they are possibly not fully expanded yet.
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Narcissus eugeniae
Blanchard (following F. Casas) refers to this as N. pseudonarcissus subsp. eugeniae
Kew regards N. eugeniae as a synonym for N. confusus (a most appropriate name for a narcissus).
A gift from Anne Wright
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The odd spell of sunshine is tempting a shy little N. bulbocodium praecox paucinervis out of her buds!
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Narcissus eugeniae
Blanchard (following F. Casas) refers to this as N. pseudonarcissus subsp. eugeniae
Kew regards N. eugeniae as a synonym for N. confusus (a most appropriate name for a narcissus).
A gift from Anne Wright
The naming of narcissus is beyond me for the most part- and I don't think I am alone in this confusion/frustration! Whatever one calls it, this is a little gem of a flower, Gerry.
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The odd spell of sunshine is tempting a shy little N. bulbocodium praecox paucinervis out of her buds!
Increasingly I find all of these "small whites" a joy.
We had an 'odd spell' of sunshine too - lasted all of ten minutes - back to howling wind and rain - fed up, who me? YES!! Even if I'm going to be on this machine most of the day (today sorting new pages for the newer crocus species) I still like to have some sun to look out on!
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Narcissus eugeniae
Blanchard (following F. Casas) refers to this as N. pseudonarcissus subsp. eugeniae
Kew regards N. eugeniae as a synonym for N. confusus (a most appropriate name for a narcissus).
A gift from Anne Wright
The name is suspect, Gerry. It was one of 2 seedlings from AGS seed of that name. The other one looks like the eugeniae in the books. The frilly one is sterile, so is probably a hybrid of some sort.
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Narcissus romieuxii
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The name is suspect, Gerry. It was one of 2 seedlings from AGS seed of that name. The other one looks like the eugeniae in the books. The frilly one is sterile, so is probably a hybrid of some sort.
Thanks for the information Anne. It certainly looks different to the photo in Blanchard - more attractive to my eyes. Hybrid or not, I like it very much. It also seems vigorous; the one bulb has already split into two flowering size bulbs.
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A very nice Narcissus is in flower, I think to remember it was a hybrid but cannot find the label, maybe it is still smaller than the plant... ::)
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Very Nice, Hans. Is it outside?
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Thanks Anne - yes, it is in the garden.
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Narcissus eugeniae (probably a hybrid)
This is another photo of the plant I posted in reply 103 (above) taken in a better light. It captures the pale creamy-greeny-yellow colour of the flower more accurately.
As it ages I like this flower more & more.
A gift from Anne Wright.
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Perfect, Gerry - the flower and the photo!
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Gerry, this is a lovely Narcissus eugeniae (hybrid) from Anne.
This little one, Narcissus asturiensis I assume, was found growing in the sand plunge in the greenhouse last year. Where it came from is a mystery as I have never grown N. asturiensis in a pot in the greenhouse. It is now outside on a raised bed and this year has 2 flowers on stems only 10 cm tall.
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Smart little thing, Cyril, with that green base and such a frilled trumpet. Very nice.
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A seedling of (Narcissus bulbocodium var. tenuifolius x romieuxii subsp. albidus var. zaianicus) x self.
Wanted: A source of extra long labels. ;D
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Some little darlings on the preceding pages. It's an amazement to me that each year the little daffs are quite different, a different selection I mean, from those of the previous year. There is no end to the variation.
Too early for any yet, even 'Nylon' is a couple of months off but I do have good foliage of N. bulbocodium. ;D
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Wanted: A source of extra long labels. ;D
Oh Lesley... Do you still use labels and pencils? I'm already using microchip tags and a mobile pad as a reading device 8) ::) ;D
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The first Narcissus are now open in my garden - lagoi OP/asturiensis and Bowles Early
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Plenty in good growth in the garden but none flowering yet, probably finding it difficult growing in sludge! Couple from the greenhouse today and there could have been more if the snails hadn't been at them (for all sorts of reasons visits to the greenhouse have been few and far between since Christmas really)
Narcissus jeanmondii and N. assoanus both from Brian Duncan
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Oh Lesley... Do you still use labels and pencils? I'm already using microchip tags and a mobile pad as a reading device 8) ::) ;D
A super accurate GPS woulds be useful in the garden too...
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...and N. assoanus...
Incredible David! My own assoanus have only just started to push the tips of their leaves above the surface! :(
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Oh Lesley... Do you still use labels and pencils? I'm already using microchip tags and a mobile pad as a reading device 8) ::) ;D
That's very interesting Tatsuo can you show how this works?
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I think maybe only in his dreams! ;D
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Narcissus jeanmondii and N. assoanus both from Brian Duncan
David - how do you manage to flower N. assoanus in Devon? Particularly since you've often said you can't flower Sternbergia.
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Well Gerry and Matt, certainly this year wilful neglect seems to have done the trick and it has flowered some five weeks earlier than last year.
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That's very interesting Tatsuo can you show how this works?
Dear Ian, you must be a so good-natured person ;)
I think maybe only in his dreams! ;D
Everything lies open to YOU, Anne ;D
Back to the reality, there are 2 flat disks here. Narcissus cantabricus var. petunioides and a seedling of Narcissus romieuxii :)
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You must be a so good-natured person, Ian ;)
ii :)
Well I don't think it will be long before someone does it would mean an end to unreadable or lost labels. After all you are in Japan home of electronics ;) ;D
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Tatsuo, your narcissus are so TINY!! How do you keep them so compact?
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Tatsuo, your narcissus are so TINY!! How do you keep them so compact?
Fantastic!
I would like to join here - How did you manage it ? Is there another influence besides lightlevel and temperature?
Gerd
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Tatsuo, your narcissus are so TINY!! How do you keep them so compact?
Fantastic!
I would like to join here - How did you manage it ? Is there another influence besides lightlevel and temperature?
Gerd
Well... ??? I grow my plants on outside bench without any protections as I said before.
The average air humidity during winter here is 50 - 60%, but it can usually be dropped down to less than 20% during windy and sunny daytime. From November to March, we have more than 20 sunny days per month...
The major contents of pot soil are AKADAMA, KANUMA and PUMICE. This is very basic and popular soil formula for alpine plants in Japan. I add crushed dolomite and charcoal to the mixture a little. The soil pH is 6.0 - 6.5.
I usually feed solution with 0.1% requid organic fertiliser made from fermented strained lees of suger cane (N:P:K=2:3:3), 0.02% monobasic potassium phosphate and 0.2% glucose every ten days.
That's all. I'm not keeping anything secret to you, Anne and Gerd ;)
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From November to March, we have more than 20 sunny days per month...
Ahah!! 8) That's where I'm going wrong!
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Ahah!! 8) That's where I'm going wrong!
Me too!
- and thank you Tatsuo for your detailed explanations!
Gerd
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This is what N. cantabricus petunioides looks like here, from today.....I rather like your compact form, though!
Alex
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The first to flower in the open garden, Narcissus 'Rijnveld's Early Sensation'
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Pot labelled Narcissus pseudnarcissus ssp eugeniae :o
Clearly a cross with one of my many bulbocodium section plants. The pale yellow one is roughly the same colour as the seed parent, it is also about the same size, at least double the size of my other bulbocodium types. There are more buds to open :)
Anne - you must have had similar (perhaps deliberate) hybrids?
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They both look good, Tony. I never cease to be amazed at the number of different forms of the same basic shape, designed or not!
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Yes, I agree with Anne :) Those both are lovely and mysterious hybrids, Tony :D
I'm wondering what the paler one inherited its colour and shape from and their fertility.
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Oh Lesley... Do you still use labels and pencils? I'm already using microchip tags and a mobile pad as a reading device 8) ::) ;D
YT I can cope with my PC but further than that, the technology hasn't penetrated me yet. I don't have any other device such as you mention. :'(
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Back to the reality, there are 2 flat disks here. Narcissus cantabricus var. petunioides and a seedling of Narcissus romieuxii :)
These two are SUPERB!!!!! Real little stunners!!!!!
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This is what N. cantabricus petunioides looks like here, from today.....I rather like your compact form, though!
Alex
Your's so floriferous, Alex 8) Its flower stems of my plants too short to keep enough space each other, so the flowers are more or less struggled :(
These two are SUPERB!!!!! Real little stunners!!!!!
Thank you, Lesley :) I put the petunioides pollen on the romieuxii stigmas ;)
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JJA 705.100 Narcissus romieuxii
Morocco, Middle Atlas Mts., above Ifrane. 1700m. Leafsoil over clay in mixed woodland. (same site as JCA 805)
This is the first flower from seeds, sown on 15/10/2009. The plants look weak so I'll feed them well.
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Nice flowers on these plants Tatsuo. And it's so nice to know the provenance of the plants we grow.
I returned to Morocco a couple of years ago and spent a few days in the Middle Atlas, staying at Azrou (not far from Ifrane). We saw many amazing sites: the cedar forest, tortoises and eagles, wild macaques but no Narcissus, although I admit I wasn't really keeping my eyes peeled for them :-[ Another trip is due I think!
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Morocco is a far cry from Benbecula Matt. ;D ;D
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True Lesley. You don't get bears wandering around in Morocco! ;)
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Narcissus albidus ssp. kesticus SBL 17, from Mike Salmon 1997.
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Nice flowers on these plants Tatsuo. And it's so nice to know the provenance of the plants we grow.
I returned to Morocco a couple of years ago and spent a few days in the Middle Atlas, staying at Azrou (not far from Ifrane). We saw many amazing sites: the cedar forest, tortoises and eagles, wild macaques but no Narcissus, although I admit I wasn't really keeping my eyes peeled for them :-[ Another trip is due I think!
Thank you, Matt :) I'm hoping your early visit to Morocco again ;)
Narcissus albidus ssp. kesticus SBL 17, from Mike Salmon 1997.
So, that plant has charmed you into growing it over 17 years, Cyril ;)
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Yes Tatsuo, it is only when I look at the label that I realise I grow these plants for so long. This one has not been repotted very frequently but still survive in pots. I like these tough plants.
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You don't get bears wandering around in Morocco!
For those of you who don't know what Anthony is referring to: Hercules The Bear wanders off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwD89urK5Ds#ws)
Morocco is a far cry from Benbecula Matt.
Once you've been Morocco, it's hard not to go back time and again, a special place and yes, a world away from the midges and mizzle of Benbecula!
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Brilliant. ;D Hercules lived up the hill from me on Sheriffmuir. Often saw his bus en route to various venues. Sadly missed.
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Narcissus cantabricus 'clusii'
There are more cloudy and rainy days than the usual in this season here. Their stems are bit taller than the last.
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Beautiful, Tatsuo! Our clusii are not open yet but already the stems are about 7 or 8cms..... :'(
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Beautiful, Tatsuo! Our clusii are not open yet but already the stems are about 7 or 8cms..... :'(
Thank you, Maggi :) You need more sunny days in Winter :( Have you ever tried the mirror method that I suggested last season, by the way? ;D ;D ;D
Here are pics of side view in 2014 and 2013. Almost no stems can be seen in last season's.
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We haven't tried the mirrors on the plants as yet - - but we did buy a SAD (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/seasonal-affective-disorder/in-depth/seasonal-affective-disorder-treatment/art-20048298) lamp for ourselves!
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One from the greenhouse today:-
Narcissus asturiensis x 'Candlepower'. Not sure if I've got the parents the right way round, it's from Anne's List so she will probably know.
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Tatsuo - CUSHION narcissus!!! :o
David, it's that way round I think - did it have anything else, like a number, after the name? I had both way round bulbs from Brian.
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I would like some help IDing this Narcissus. It came from Jim Archibald seed years ago and the label is long gone.
The plant stands about 10-12 cm tall. The flowers are about 4-6 mm across.
Thanks :)
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I think it could be Narcissus scaberulus, Robert?
The pictures are a bit small to see detail. The 5 flowers (3 open, 2 buds) are coming from a single scape? The pedicel appears to be rather long. It looks like the margin of the corolla might be incurved - clearly so in one of the flowers at least, but not clear if this is the case for all. The corolla also appears to have an entire margin, cup-shaped and wider than it is long/high. This would suggest N. scaberulus to me.
The JJA master seed list does list this species:
706.000 : NARCISSUS SCABERULUS (Endemic to a small area in the upper Mondego Valley in N central Portugal.)
The other possibility is N.calcicola, but based on the characteristics of the corolla I'd have to go with N.scaberulus. Whatever we call it, it's a beautiful flower.
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Tatsuo - CUSHION narcissus!!! :o
They are amazing are'nt they Ann !!!
Glorious plants Tatsuo :o :o
I've got this gentle giant flowering at the momenet : Narcissus asturiensis...
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Matt is probably right. If you gently run a finger along the edge of the leaf, especially towards the base, you should feel a slight roughness if it's scaberulus.
Luc, I think that is my favourite species.
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Tatsuo - CUSHION narcissus!!! :o
- did it have anything else, like a number, after the name? I had both way round bulbs from Brian.
Haven't a clue Anne, I can't remember what I had for tea yesterday? :)
Whoops, sorry got the quote bit wrong!
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Narcissus hedreanthus flowering now
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I love to see that variation, Tony- lovely potful.
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Very nice indeed Tony
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thank you, it has sat and sulked for years but has now decided to flower.
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Tony, I'm simply green with envy. That is a beautiful wee potful!
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Miraculous Tony. I hope my sulking plants follow the example of yours.
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I would like some help IDing this Narcissus. It came from Jim Archibald seed years ago and the label is long gone.
The plant stands about 10-12 cm tall. The flowers are about 4-6 mm across.
Thanks :)
On the basis of the photos I find it impossible to decide between N. calcicola & N. scaberulus. It is one or the other though the flowers seem on the small side for either sp. Anne's suggestion to feel the leaves may enable you to decide but, according to Blanchard, the scabrid edges are not an invariable feature.
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I think it could be Narcissus scaberulus, Robert?
The pictures are a bit small to see detail. The 5 flowers (3 open, 2 buds) are coming from a single scape? The pedicel appears to be rather long. It looks like the margin of the corolla might be incurved - clearly so in one of the flowers at least, but not clear if this is the case for all. The corolla also appears to have an entire margin, cup-shaped and wider than it is long/high. This would suggest N. scaberulus to me.
The JJA master seed list does list this species:
706.000 : NARCISSUS SCABERULUS (Endemic to a small area in the upper Mondego Valley in N central Portugal.)
The other possibility is N.calcicola, but based on the characteristics of the corolla I'd have to go with N.scaberulus. Whatever we call it, it's a beautiful flower.
Matt,
Thanks for the feed back with less than ideal photographs.
Yes, there are 5 flowers in the one scape, others have 3 or 4.
The corolla margin is more or less entire, and the cup is wider than long.
Somehow I remember getting N. calcicola with the same seed order. There are still some mysteries that I need to sort-out from some of the other plants that I grew-out. In some cases, where there is a label, the labels do not really match the plant. Anyway, thanks for the help.
Matt is probably right. If you gently run a finger along the edge of the leaf, especially towards the base, you should feel a slight roughness if it's scaberulus.
Anne,
There is roughness along the margin of the leaf, especially towards the base - even with "farmer hands".
Thank you very much for your help. :)
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thank you, it has sat and sulked for years but has now decided to flower.
Patience is a great virtue Tony !! Especially for excllent bulb growers ! ;D
Gorgeous potful !
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Thank you for your comments to my 'clusii' :) Perhaps I'm lucky living in here to enjoy growing those petticoats ;)
I've got this gentle giant flowering at the momenet : Narcissus asturiensis...
Nice tiny trumpets, Luc! My asturiensis seedlings from JJA Seeds are still small.
Narcissus hedreanthus flowering now
So cute flowers, Tony!
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A lovely potful, Tony with nice variation - are they seedlings?
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YAY!! :D :D it's dafflet time again!
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YAY!! :D :D it's dafflet time again!
WOW :o :o :o Please more pictures, Anne!!!
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I'll take some next week when more are out.
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Narcissus obesus
Derived from a collection by Mike Salmon (MS451), Portugal, Cape St Vincent.
A gift from Kurt Vickery
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A good one, Gerry !
YAY!! :D :D it's dafflet time again!
:o :o :o What a show, Anne !!!
Here's my N. cyclamineus
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Very nice Luc, it's one I struggle with.
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I've got it in my peatbed, David and it seems to like the conditions !
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Nice Luc
Very nice Luc, it's one I struggle with.
Me too. My stock is slowly dwindling.
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I've got it in my peatbed, David and it seems to like the conditions !
Thanks for that Luc.
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Some of the dafflets are having a trip down to Birmingham tomorrow for the Birmingham AGS group conference.
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Ian's already down with Diane, Anne - have a great day!
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Yellow fever is building in my body, garden and greenhouse
Narcissus 'Fairy Gold' - recovering since the fly attack
Narcissus 'Midget' x N. cycl.
Narcissus 'Mitzy'
Narcissus 'Navarre' - sadly down from double figures to only 3
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Narcissus austriensis minor.
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Mitzi or Snipe, Mark?
Nice asturiensis, Arnold.
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Mitzy/i. They will fade
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Thanks Anne.
They do tend to keep their noses down.
We had a very warm spell here in the high 50's. Had to pen all the greenhouse glass to keep it from cooking.
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YAY!! :D :D it's dafflet time again!
I'm at risk of being converted from crocus :o ;D
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I know it's not winter here, but I tipped out my pot of Narcissus malacitanus sown March 2012. Some germinated immediately, some the next season. Here's hoping I can get them to flower.
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I'm at risk of being converted from crocus :o ;D
If I could get you into my dafflet house just now, Tony, I'd have a good try at converting you!
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I'm at risk of being converted from crocus :o ;D
There are worse fates Tony. Look around the forum.
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I know it's not winter here, but I tipped out my pot of Narcissus malacitanus sown March 2012. Some germinated immediately, some the next season. Here's hoping I can get them to flower.
Nice healthy looking bulbs, Anthony.
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Nice healthy looking bulbs, Anthony.
I may get flowers this season? Just been repotting Narcissus cantabricus sown July 2011. Fifteen bulbs in one pot, three in another and one in my petuniodes pot. The first two pots each had a couple of flowers last year.
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I haven't grown it, but they look nice fat bulbs.
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I haven't grown it, but they look nice fat bulbs.
They are still quite small. Will have to see if the largest flower this year.
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A couple more from me:-
Narcissus eugeniae
Narcissus jonquilla var. henriquesii (is that still it's name?). I struggle a bit with the Jonquills bulbs seem to be healthy and produce leaves but flowers are a completely different matter. 12 bulbs in this pot and only one flower.
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Still winter on the calendar and outside.
Narcissus dubius. Noticed the green highlight when the petals where back lit.
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Doesn't spring start on 1st March with you Arnold? Autumn started on the 1st March here in New Zealand.
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Still plenty snow in the mountains here and I believe that HUGE areas of the USA and Canada are under feet of snow still - takes more than a date to make a season change, I reckon!
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Anthony:
Our spring starts March 21st.
Still 11 F outside here.