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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: udo on November 02, 2013, 06:56:43 PM
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A good start in the new month:
Crocus cartwrightianus, Greece
'' hyemalis, Israel
'' longiflorus, Malta
'' oreocreticus 'Albus'
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This one is in flower today at a friend's in the Annapolis Valley. Anyone care to hazard a guess?
So sparse despite a very good bake this past summer.
johnw
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John,
this is Crocus sativus.
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A good start in the new month:
Crocus cartwrightianus, Greece
'' hyemalis, Israel
'' longiflorus, Malta
'' oreocreticus 'Albus'
Very fine selection Dirk ! Do you grow the cartwrightianus in the garden ?
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Very fine selection Dirk ! Do you grow the cartwrightianus in the garden ?
Many thanks, Kris.
I have a pot with selections from Crocus cartwrightianus in the greenhouse. Other plants growing in open garden. I think, this species is very hardy for a wintergreen Crocus.
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Many thanks, Kris.
I have a pot with selections from Crocus cartwrightianus in the greenhouse. Other plants growing in open garden. I think, this species is very hardy for a wintergreen Crocus.
Thanks Dirk , must plant some in the garden in the future ........
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Crocus kotschyanus from Janis . Keeps flowering (started on my birthday : 17/10) and stil going.
The first bulb already finished and in leaves, the second one give second flower .
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Crocus kotschyanus from Janis . Keeps flowering (started on my birthday : 17/10) and stil going.
The first bulb already finished and in leaves, the second one give second flower .
Same story with C. pulchellus ......very floriferous ..
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Bouhgt as C. mathewii but it isn't .....
Grows very good in the garden , gives a lot of flowers but the rain damaged most of them this year .
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Also reliable in our garden : C. goulimyi .
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Crocus laevigatus .
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Bouhgt as C. mathewii but it isn't .....
Grows very good in the garden , gives a lot of flowers but the rain damaged most of them this year .
Why you think that it isn't mathewii? Throat colour in C. mathewii can be very variable and I have similar plants, too. Only style branches looks too short but this can varie from plant to plant and from season to season. Corm tunics different?
Janis
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Why you think that it isn't mathewii? Throat colour in C. mathewii can be very variable and I have similar plants, too. Only style branches looks too short but this can varie from plant to plant and from season to season. Corm tunics different?
Janis
Hi Janis and other Crocus- friends , thanks for your reply Janis .I am always happy with some help on such matters ....I cal it not mathewii anymore because I got some reactions in previous years ....
Here some remarks from 2012 on this forum :
1/Sorry, Kris,
I don't think that it is mathewii. May be some form of plaasii, although they are very close. In my mind mathewii allways associates with distinctly purple coloration - more or less large - in throat or white in albino. It is grey on your sample and I have several such pallasii in my collection.
2/Kris, i think your Crocus mathewii is a hadriaticus-Hybrid
I see a bit yellow inside and also outside from the flower.
Crocus mathewii and pallasii have never yellow. Also the leaves looks like more
in direction hadriaticus .
3/Furthermore the anthers seem to be whitish - I have seen this anther-colour in hadriaticus hybrids in my garden.
I would be more happy if it would be mathewii after al .....I paid for mathewii (it is not one I bought from your nursery Janis ) and also its maybe for me more rewarding to grow it like that ...........
I have some pictures from the corms , I post them as soon as possible .
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Why you think that it isn't mathewii? Throat colour in C. mathewii can be very variable and I have similar plants, too. Only style branches looks too short but this can varie from plant to plant and from season to season. Corm tunics different?
Janis
Found this picture from the corms ..A picture I made last summer .
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It's getting frosty overnight in Aberdeen now. Here is my pot of Mathewii.
Graeme
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The colder weather is bearable with such gems to enjoy, isn't it? I think C. mathewi is just sublime.
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I take a little time to send pics of my crocuses in bloom these ten last days. Thank you for your patience !!!
first two C. kotschyanus sélections : HKEP 9205 and an other one ??? with flowers narrower and darker lines until the broad line at the top of petals
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suite
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Crocus longiflorus with one seedling of me
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Crocus medius and ochroleucus
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suite with a sterile old selection of Crocus salzmannii very large flower (as great speciosus), clusii Poséidon and speciosus late love
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Selection of pics Crocus tournefortii
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selection of cartwrightianus and albus
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You are having a good season with these flowers, Dom !
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just got back from the Delphi area on from a flower point of view a quite useless trip as the rain is a month late and the area is burnt dry.However some wonderful walking in superb surroundings. Needless to say it poured down on my last day when I found some nice-
Crocus robertianus
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I take a little time to send pics of my crocuses in bloom these ten last days. Thank you for your patience !!!
first two C. kotschyanus sélections : HKEP 9205 and an other one ??? with flowers narrower and darker lines until the broad line at the top of petals
Better late then never Dominique and patience is one of the main skills when you grow bulbs ....So never mind about that .
Lovely and healthy looking Crocus ! Do you grow them in a bulbframe ? or just outside ?
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just got back from the Delphi area on from a flower point of view a quite useless trip as the rain is a month late and the area is burnt dry.However some wonderful walking in superb surroundings. Needless to say it poured down on my last day when I found some nice-
Crocus robertianus
Sad indeed , heard the same story about Crete Tony .....Seems to me that the season starts later every year in this regions.... In the future we have to go at Christmas time to see the autumn flowering species ;D ???
Beautiful robertianus and the raindrops giving this picture a nice effect ......... :-X
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finally we are having some sun after a cold week.
Crocus oreocreticus the purple striped ones -from NARGS seed started in 2008- are these true or a hybrid form?
Crocus ochroleucus - the white ones
Rimmer
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Do,
great crocus collection, as every year 8) Like your C. tournefortii & cartwrightianus albus.
Tony W,
lovely robertianus from the wild. Weather in November is a lottery. Had 1 wk almost continous driving rain. All late C. speciosus flopped over. >:(
Rimmer,
by image your Crocus oreocreticus looks true to me. Why do you have doubts?
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Chris i grow them both, bulbframe for security and open for "kamicase" tries !!!
Tony, i like too much robertianus
Thank Armin
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finally we are having some sun after a cold week.
Crocus oreocreticus the purple striped ones -from NARGS seed started in 2008- are these true or a hybrid form?
Crocus ochroleucus - the white ones
Rimmer
As always you showed us very fine Cocus Rimmer . Always enjoy your pictures . I think the oreocreticus is true .At least to me it looks like the ones we did see in Crete ....
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Chris i grow them both, bulbframe for security and open for "kamicase" tries !!!
Thanks Dominique . Is it kamikaze in your region ? Am I right ? , you live near Dijon ? I was thinking that maybe the climate there is good enough for some of those ? But ofcourse I don't know enough about your winters ,summers ,rainfal ...
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just got back from the Delphi area on from a flower point of view a quite useless trip as the rain is a month late and the area is burnt dry.However some wonderful walking in superb surroundings. Needless to say it poured down on my last day when I found some nice-
Crocus robertianus
Lovely Tony
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thank you for the comments on the Crocus oreocreticus.
I question because last fall, i had doubts on some of these seedlings. Seed that came as C. thomasii also bloomed like these striped C. oreoreticus. The seed came from a donor with a large collection in Oregon, so i think there was some hybridizing in the donors garden. However this season only one corm bloomed in this pot, i must have lost the others from too much sun and heat under a glass pane over the frame and no water this summer.
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thank you for the comments on the Crocus oreocreticus.
I question because last fall, i had doubts on some of these seedlings. Seed that came as C. thomasii also bloomed like these striped C. oreoreticus. The seed came from a donor with a large collection in Oregon, so i think there was some hybridizing in the donors garden. However this season only one corm bloomed in this pot, i must have lost the others from too much sun and heat under a glass pane over the frame and no water this summer.
I baught from quite prominent grower 10 oreocreticus and all turned hybrids. This year I got compensation and only 3 were more or less as oreocreticus. Now I'm growing only stock from originally wild collected seeds. I showed picture of them (Cave of Zeus seedlings) in October's entry.
Janis
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I think a Crocus palasii palasii.
Taken in the wild.
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It is pallasii. Which subspecies? Must to see tunics, but by flower looks as type subspecies
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I don't know Janis, this crocus is everywhere in Eskisehir.
Ibrahim once told me that one of crocus I showed to him was crocus pallasii ssp. pallasii
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Horrible autumn. Now are blooming Crocus hittiticus and punctatus has long leaves and bud inside. Flowers are tightly closed due very dark weather. No drop of temperature proposed for following week. Blooms two tulips from Kazahstan and Narcissus bulbocodium. What will be in spring?
Janis
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I don't know Janis, this crocus is everywhere in Eskisehir.
Ibrahim once told me that one of crocus I showed to him was crocus pallasii ssp. pallasii
Ibrahim very well know Turkish crocuses, you can trust him 100%.
Janis
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Today sun came out and it was possible to make some pictures. I'm starting with spring blooming Crocus hittiticus - on first picture it is in morning, on second - early afternoon. Putting names on pictures I found that in 2011 I pictured this stock even earlier - 11th of November. Here it started blooming earlier, too, only weatherr was too dark for pictures.
Nicely blooms Crocus aleppicus collected some years ago in Israel.
Most of Crocus boryi finished blooming, but still left this one of form with striped back of petals
Last in this entry - Crocus cambessedesii - wild collection.
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Peak of blooming has Crocus melantherus. Here view of pots and then some aquisitions. Some pictured in first half of day and later in early afternoon when sun warmed up air.
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Some more Crocus melantherus. On picture 14 specimen got from John Fielding as possibly double. Last autumn it formed sem-double flowers, this year only one flower (on picture) had more petals, others were with "normal" 6 flower segments
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Another late bloomer is Crocus laevigatus. Here forms from mainland and small islands of Greece.
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Just perfect.
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C. laevigatus 'Ray Cobb' is a beauty.
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Crocus boryi were looking fabulous in the Peloponnese last week.
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Now two pictures om minor "laevigatus" from Crete - Crocus laevigatus ssp. pumilus
Last flower of Crocus niveus - all other is over, this one is in seedling pot, so I suppose that late blooming caused by small size of corm
Then Crocus oreocreticus - another Cretan crocus
and as last - Crocus hyemalis collected in Israel - not opened completely its flower, may be on Sunday when again sunny day is proposed.
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Crocus boryi were looking fabulous in the Peloponnese last week.
Excellent pictures, Melvyn. It really is beautiful crocus.
Janis
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As I wrote before - we have extremely long and warm autumn. Now usually outside can be minuses, but weather is warm and even outside first Corydalis pushed flowers through winter covering. But in pots several plants are blooming now. I'm showing those here although they are not crocuses:
Corydalis schangini schangini
Narcissus bulbocodium
Ornithogalum lanceolatum
Tulipa sp. from biflorus group collected in Kazahstan
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Thanks again for the many pictures Janis .
It is a strange bulb season and here even a bad season for some ....(Colchicum and also some Crocus)
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Crocus boryi were looking fabulous in the Peloponnese last week.
I agree on that Melvyn , at is best !
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C. laevigatus 'Ray Cobb' is a beauty.
I think it came originally from Ronald Ginns - at least my stock did (via David Stephens & Alan Edwards). This is one of the few which is doing well here in a very bad year for crocus.
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thank you for the comments on the Crocus oreocreticus.
I question because last fall, i had doubts on some of these seedlings. Seed that came as C. thomasii also bloomed like these striped C. oreoreticus. The seed came from a donor with a large collection in Oregon, so i think there was some hybridizing in the donors garden. However this season only one corm bloomed in this pot, i must have lost the others from too much sun and heat under a glass pane over the frame and no water this summer.
I find that Crocus thomasii is very promiscuous. I have lots of seed raised under this name, cartwrightianus and oreocreticus but the results are so often hybrids that it is difficult to say which is which. The seed from C thomasii produces many very beautiful offspring.
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I think it came originally from Ronald Ginns - at least my stock did (via David Stephens & Alan Edwards). This is one of the few which is doing well here in a very bad year for crocus.
I have two different stocks of C. laevigatus with note RAY COBB (I numbered them as #1 and #2), and the third with abbreviation CRO, decifered as Ray Cobb, too. All three I got from Jim Archibald by his wish, but looking in his "Master List" I didn't find more details.
Janis
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I have two different stocks of C. laevigatus with note RAY COBB (I numbered them as #1 and #2), and the third with abbreviation CRO, decifered as Ray Cobb, too. All three I got from Jim Archibald by his wish, but looking in his "Master List" I didn't find more details.
Janis
David Stephens told me that Ray's plants have been distributed under two numbers: CRO 1012 which is blue & CRO1011 which is white. These are apparently not collection numbers but Ray's personal catalogue numbers. Alan Edwards gave me the white form but seedlings from it have been white, blue & yellowish.
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As you can see on my earlier entry I have just CRO-1012. It is one of best.
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C. laevigatus from 2008 SRGC seed blooming in the rain today.
Rimmer
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C. laevigatus from 2008 SRGC seed blooming in the rain today.
Rimmer
Nice laevigatus. Are they from the same seed lot?
1+2 Crocus laevigatus has just started here.
3+4 My first Crocus cambessedesii
5 Some of the last Crocus tournefortii
Poul
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Nice laevigatus. Are they from the same seed lot
Poul
I think so but I tend to combine lots when only a few bulbs survive. So possibly a mix.
These are planted in a sand bed by my frames.
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May be this will be my last entry and pictures from this season. On Sunday we had warm and sunny weather, so last crocuses opened flowers. Yesterday we had 95-th birthday of Latvia, so we celebrated this and I didn't work, so I'm showing those pictures only today. They are not new species, all were shown before but due nice weather flowers nicely opened. I tried to pollinate, but afraid that tere were very few pollens on anthers.
On the first picture Crocus aleppicus from Israel.
Then Crocus cambessedesii blue form got from forumist Rik (where you disappear, Rik?)
Then Crocus hyemalis, the plants from Israel, perfectly showing black anthers - my most favourable feature in crocuses. As C. aleppicus, it was collected with kind help of Oron in extremely hot, dry and late season. Without fantastic knowledge of Oron, who seems know each smallest foot-pass in Israel - I'm afraid that I didn't find anything. Now I'm looking forward for his book about bulbous plants of Eastern Mediterranian.
Crocus moabiticus originally was collected in Jordania and nicely presented for me by Arnis Seisums
And the last again this unusual Crocus hittiticus which blooms in autumn. It was collected around 5 km from Gulnar on cultivated fields with some islands of shrubs, where it was growing deep in Quercus shrubs, in very peaty learfmould soil, corms were positioned quite shallow.
Janis
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some more images of C. laevigatus from various seed sources
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Beautiful entrys !
Today Crocus hyemalis was in flower here ....
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Lovely hyemalis, Kris
Unfortunately I have only leaves in my hyemalis but Crocus laevigatus CEH.612 has opened today.
Poul
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Crocus cambessedesii started to flower. I do not know why, but the most beautiful plants always bloom during the week and are faded away at the weekend, like this nice blue ones... :P
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Fantastic colours, Hans! Never saw such.
Janis
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Hans, very nice Crocus cambessedesii.
After a dark and wet week, first sun and some open flowers from Crocus laevigatus
in the dark blue form.
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Hans,
It is unbelievable beauty of C. canbessedesii :)
Best regards...
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Thanks a lot for your comments Janis, Dirk and Ibrahim - now I just have to check your book Janis how to get from single corms many more. :)
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Last Crocus pulchellus in my "lawn"
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There have been a couple of pictures of a very nice Crocus laevigatus that originated from Ray Cobb.
Ray has sent me this picture of an unnamed sister seedling he has raised. A really fine plant.
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Another cracker of a Crocus - who could resist any of them?