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Plant Identification => Plant Identification Questions and Answers => Topic started by: t00lie on December 11, 2007, 12:28:47 AM

Title: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: t00lie on December 11, 2007, 12:28:47 AM
Not sure if i queried the name of the following plant,( in bloom at the moment), on the old forum.If so and i was given a name my apologies for covering old ground and not filling out a label ....

Behaves as a bi-annual ,(here),with thin leaves the first year .Second year the leaves widen and take on a wavy look.Quickly forms distinctive seed heads.

Thanks Dave
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 11, 2007, 12:37:12 AM
You were probably told that it is salsify, you pillock! :D Go and look up its botanical name.

Looks as if you've had a drop or two down your way. wish we could have some!
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: ranunculus on December 11, 2007, 08:22:49 AM
Is that an old colloquial term Lesley....or are you just very good friends?   ;)
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 11, 2007, 09:04:19 AM
That's right Cliff - just good friends. JUST good friends!
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: t00lie on December 11, 2007, 09:09:46 AM
Ouch Lesley !!!!!!

Cliff ---please be aware that from now on NEITHER applies.


It's a low growing form of a Tragopogon sps which i find most attractive.While i get one or two seedlings appearing in the garden it's certainly not weedy here.Spittle bugs love it though.

Thunder storms and heavy rain tonight after a couple of hot dry weeks.

Cheers Dave.

Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 11, 2007, 07:31:29 PM
Now come on Dave, I wouldn't call anyone a pillock unless I REALLY liked him. It could almost be called a term of endearment. ;D
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Maggi Young on December 11, 2007, 07:35:33 PM
Quite so, Lesley... why the BD often says to me " No, my sweet little pillock, you've got it wrong again..." and I am quite sure he says this in a gentle spirit of encouragment  ::)
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 11, 2007, 08:07:56 PM
and I am quite sure he says this in a gentle spirit of encouragment  ::)

but still letting you know that you've got it wrong again.
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Maggi Young on December 11, 2007, 08:10:31 PM
...and that I am a pillock.....
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 11, 2007, 08:27:17 PM
 :)
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: t00lie on December 11, 2007, 08:35:18 PM
I just looked up the meaning of Pillock and found the following---

Blockhead
bonehead
dumba..
dunce
dunderhead
hammerhead
knucklehead
loggerhead
lunkhead
muttonhead
numskull
klutz
simpleton
 and quite a few unmentionables .

So i guess it only gets worse as i fail to see the endearment or encouragement in that.Sob.
 
Anyone else  interested in seed ?.Just send me a personal message.

NB---This offer does not apply to the two,(stick together fems), above.

Rain has stopped so i must get away to work.

Cheers Dave.
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Maggi Young on December 11, 2007, 08:37:55 PM
Yup, Dave, those are all the names the BD uses on me ... pillock just rolls off the tongue so easily!
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 12, 2007, 03:21:17 AM
Well I'm afraid I had just relied on (what I thought was) my own limitless knowledge of the English language and hadn't looked for it in the dictionary. I'd never use ANY of these terms for you Dave. Honest! You will always be the charming and delightful southern man who has a great sense of humour and doesn't even mind the occasional little laugh at himself.

This is a genuine sentiment. I'm not looking for seed of the salsify.
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Stephenb on December 12, 2007, 08:41:11 PM
Sorry to interrupt your friendly conversation, but a question was asked.

At the risk of being called a simpleton for confusing a Scorzonera for a Tragopogon, I'd like to suggest that it is a Scorzonera suberosa (or ssp. cariensis) (or something similar) - what I grow as this is quite dwarf compared to common Salsify. Here are a few pictures of mine:

Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Maggi Young on December 12, 2007, 08:55:20 PM
I apologise for our conversational wanderings, Stephen.
I would like to add that your photos are extremely sharp and most attractive.
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 12, 2007, 09:31:26 PM
So who's the pillock now? she asks herslf ruefully. ???
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: t00lie on December 13, 2007, 08:59:16 AM
Thank you very much Stephen.I'll make sure i write a label out for it.

My plant appears to have flowering stems that are even more dwarf than the pics you have shown.

Interestingly while using 'google' to locate a photo of Scorzonera i came across a plant named as Scorzonera tragopogonoides.

And for my final wandering comment.
Lesley Lesley Lesley.....you are not a pillock .
We must find a more suitable name .Let me think for a moment...................I know --please select from the following options----

Blockhead
bonehead
dumba..
dunce
dunderhead
hammerhead
knucklehead
loggerhead
lunkhead
muttonhead
numskull
klutz
simpleton

Cheers big ears Dave.
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Paul T on December 18, 2007, 11:28:42 PM
I think pillock is used similarly to "bastard" here in Australia.... as a term of endearment, that technically would be meant as an insult on the married state of your parents.  I've always thought of pillock as interchangeable with "idiot", which I use as a term of endearment at times.  Here's hoping Dave actually WASN'T insulted, as I certainly read it as a term of endearment Lesley!!
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: t00lie on December 18, 2007, 11:49:29 PM
Crawler !!!!!!!!!!.
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Paul T on December 19, 2007, 03:11:49 AM
Nah, that's my brother Kevin!!  He was actually in the Guiness Book of Records one year for crawling 14 1/2 miles (or something like that, I can't recall exactly) around his school oval.  I think it was around the 1980 edition.  So I'd have to defer to him as the crawler in the family, not me!!  ;D
Title: Re: unknown Asteraceace ?.
Post by: Anthony Darby on December 19, 2007, 10:27:29 PM
"Silly goat" would be appropriate as the plant (remember that) reminds me of a pink version of Goat's Beard (Tragopodon pratensis), aka "Jack-go-to-bed-at-noon".
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