Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: John Aipassa on May 22, 2013, 10:26:12 AM
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I haven't found a specific thread of Cypripedium in 2013 except from Goofy's and Hakone's thread, so I thought I start one. If I overlooked, than I am certain Maggi will merge :-).
My Cyps are starting to flower. All are garden grown.
First: Cypripedium calceolus
Second: Cypripedium 'Sebastian'
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Very nice flowering John !!
I've take my flowering in my of Goofy and my post about my french botanical Garden ;) ;D
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Wl3rIEjwCD4/UZu88ot51XI/AAAAAAAAAoU/OcjiQ9CA2Uc/s640/IMGP2891b.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jUQRBFw9Zg4/UZu859g-a8I/AAAAAAAAAoE/a8_WOrTOHyg/s640/IMGP2886b.jpg)
Thank's for pictures and don't hesitated to share many other ...i am addict ;D
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To give you your daily shot :P, Botanica here are some more.
1. candidum x kentuckiense
2. Bärbel Schmidt
3. Sebastian
4. Ingrid
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Very nice Cypri,s john :o........
I do like the Sebastian,its on my list :D
Here (not far from you are just a few flowering Cypri,s like macranthos and parviflora, but more to come ;)
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What a garden and cypri collection Sarmienta :o :o :o
What you grow in the special rock garden ??
John Aipassa, very nice plants and good flowering.
I hope newest cyp flowering this weekend.
Have a good day !
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Fantastic Cypripediums, everybody. We already keep pace with the rest of Europe. Here are some from my garden.
1. Cypripedium ventricosum
2. Ingrid
3 Emil
4. Pueblo
5. Gisella
(edit by maggi to rotate some photos ;) )
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Can anyone help to identify this 2 Cypripediums with lost or mixed up lables
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Very interesting rock garden, Sarmienta - is it your own work?
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Thanks Botanica and Annew, yes own made Rock garden ;)
Its almost finist after changing a few things , but i hope this year!
I keep some Cypripedium ,hardy gesneriads, hardy selaginella,s, mosses, ferns and some other plants.
at my house i have made a fake rock with some saxifraga longifolia etc.
I like to make this garden with almost natural look :)
Wim
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That is a really fantastic space you've created, Sarmienta.....I am very envious. Unfortunately, I don't have the sort of garden in which Cyps could thrive outside, so I have to grow them all in pots (except for one unhappy kentuckiense!).
Alex
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Can anyone help to identify this 2 Cypripediums with lost or mixed up lables
Oleg, but first you have to rotate clockwise your previous pictures :)
Kristof
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Can anyone help to identify this 2 Cypripediums with lost or mixed up lables
Oleg,
The first one is calceolus (the yellow one). The second one is I believe a montanum hybrid (the white one), but I am guessing. Therefore it could be X columbianum.
Nice Cyps you have there by the way.
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Oleg, but first you have to rotate clockwise your previous pictures :)
Kristof
I have rotated those pictures for Oleg...... ;)
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Hello Sarmienta,
I admire your cypripediums and their habitats. How did you make the rock?
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I have rotated those pictures for Oleg...... ;)
thanx, so the question is:
Oleg, what's the flower size of your "Pueblo"??
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Thank you John for the identification. I found the lable of the second one. It simply says "white", so your idea must be right.
Maggi, you are a computer genius! I do rotate the pictures in my computer but being posted the vertical ones appear to be on their backs. No idea what to do with it. So thank you so much.
Kristof, Pueblo has very small flowers at least twice as small as Emil and the lip is the brightest yellow I have
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The first flowers of this clump of X alaskanum are starting to flower.
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Pueblo has very small flowers at least twice as small as Emil and the lip is the brightest yellow I have
- so I tought, this is Cypripedium"Parville" - or Cypripedium parviflorum.
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Sarmentia interesting area for growing and some good clumps
Oleg you are ahead of me Emil is only in bud here
A couple from me C fasciolatum and C Axel both tend to have large flowers
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...A couple from me ...
- I'm more than happy to see Cypripedium growing in the UK garden, honestly I thought, that all here are fans of artificial-cultivation only ...
- great!
Regards -
Kristof
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Wim,
The Pleione you grow in your grotto, is it formosana?
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A couple more of my Cyps.
C. 'Rascal'
C. 'Erika'
C. 'Sebastian' already shown, but now with a better look of the surrounding plants.
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- so I tought, this is Cypripedium"Parville" - or Cypripedium parviflorum.
It may be Parville, Kristof. I bought both from the same source. The second does not show flowers. Now that I looked at their Internet site I would say you must be right. Still another couple of labels mixed. Thank you.
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Wim,
The Pleione you grow in your grotto, is it formosana?
Hello john
indeed ;) the pleiones left of C macranthos are P formosana and a clump on the right are P limprichtii.
Ofcourse i like the flowers ,but even the leaves they produce are very nice :
In flower now C calceolus and C pueblo
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- I'm more than happy to see Cypripedium growing in the UK garden, honestly I thought, that all here are fans of artificial-cultivation only ...
- great!
Regards -
Kristof
I grew huge clumps in my garden. When I parted with it, my clump of Cypripedium 'Emil' had over 60 noses. 'Philipp' and X ventricosum Album were another ones that really bulked up very fast.
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- I'm more than happy to see Cypripedium growing in the UK garden, honestly I thought, that all here are fans of artificial-cultivation only ...
- great!
Regards -
Kristof
And proud of it Kristof!
We're all just trying to provide the best possible habitat for the plants we grow, so please do not look down on 'artificial' culture methods.
At the end of the day, surely the final arbiter is the quality of the plants produced?
Regards,
David
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Quote from: K Andrzejewski on May 28, 2013, 09:36:03 AM
- I'm more than happy to see Cypripedium growing in the UK garden, honestly I thought, that all here are fans of artificial-cultivation only ...
- great!
There is an argument that says that unless you are growing native plants in your garden in their own climate then EVERYONE of us is growing plants in "artificial cultivation" ::)
After all, if a rhododendron grows in nature high on a Chinese Mountai, but I want to grow it here in Aberdeen, ANYTHING I do with it is artificial! :) ;D
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..<snip>...
At the end of the day, surely the final arbiter is the quality of the plants produced?
Regards,
David
No David, at the end the final arbiter is the amount of joy one has with the chosen culture method ;) :).
Cheers,
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I'm going to sleep, so only quickly&short answer: I don't buy tomatos in Tesco, even when they look amazing :)
Cypripdium calceolus (E.Götz, Germany) - third year outside, terracotta pot filled with clay with added crushed chalk, no fertiliser or hormones (never !); picture from yesterday morning.
Regards -
Kristof
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Cypripedium 'Parville' / Cypripedium parviflorum
Are the flowers really this small?
Ian please tell me/us more about growing yours in the ground. I really don't want to keep mine in clay pots. I'm too busy in the summer months to keep everything watered
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Cypripedium 'Parville' / Cypripedium parviflorum...Are the flowers really this small?
- yes, there is a "group" of mini-Cypripedium, like parviflorum, montanum, candidum, californicum...
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Cypripedium 'Parville' / Cypripedium parviflorum
Are the flowers really this small?
Ian please tell me/us more about growing yours in the ground. I really don't want to keep mine in clay pots. I'm too busy in the summer months to keep everything watered
Mark,
Parviflorum is one of the more easy species to cultivate in the garden. I show you one of my mature ones, which is in its second year in the garden. Two flowers now, last year one. Seedlings also do well in the garden. The ones I planted (at least two years out of flask) two years ago all come up and are one or two years from flowering now.
I als give you a link of Judith Prins' fotos on her website with parviflorum amongst others, to give you an idea. She has raised beds and her orchid growing medium is garden soil mixed with coarse sand and grit, that's all. I don't have raised beds. My planting holes are filled with garden soil, potting soil, cocopeat, seramis, perlite, bark or whatever is available to make it more open and moisture retentive (I have a very sandy soil). I only add a bottom drainage layer (clay pebbles or whatever) in very wet not so well draining spots in the garden.
http://www.judithprinstuinorchidee.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=4&lang=nl (http://www.judithprinstuinorchidee.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=4&lang=nl)
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I'm going to sleep, so only quickly&short answer: I don't buy tomatos in Tesco, even when they look amazing :)
Cypripdium calceolus (E.Götz, Germany) - third year outside, terracotta pot filled with clay with added crushed chalk, no fertiliser or hormones (never !); picture from yesterday morning.
Regards -
Kristof
and that is a nice calceolus. Well done.
I don't use 'hormones' either!
The only things that my plants receive are rain water, tap water, phostrogen/miracle gro, tomorite and a pinch of Epsom salts.
As Maggi says, we all grow in artificial environments, even you Kristof, just take your pick to what suits you.
Regards,
David
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I once tried to grow Cypripedium "Ulla Silkens" in my natural clay in the garden. When the plants failed to appear the next year I investigated. All I found was a few rotted roots and no sign of the crown. After that, I would dig a huge hole and fill it with 80% perlite 10% fine bark and 10% sieved loam for plants in the garden. No losses after that. Not sure what the reference to hormones is about.
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Kristof,
Could you please show a picture of your compost?
Thanks!
Best,
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Kristof,Could you please show a picture of your compost?
- Don't expect I will remove my plants from the pots to take a picture. Maybe tomorrow I'll prepare new soil mix for Cypripedium.
Regards
Kristof
P.S. Permanently no time for anything...
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Sorry maren :-[.......the rocks in my garden are both real rocks (vulcanic) and parts of fake artificial rocks made of concrete and coloured with colorpowders in the concrete mix .
Now flowering 2 hybrids from gardenorchids ........kentuckiensis xfasciolatum and a multiflower white.
The last one looks almost the same as the C Boots.
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One here that certainly isn't cosseted. Photographed today at Keith Wiley's Wildside Nursery and Garden here in Devon.
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That's a great slope to plant Cyps in. Thanks for sharing, David.
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Two newly acquired Cyps:
C. cordigerum and californicum. Both didn't had my particular interest, but seeing them in flower made me fall in love at them. Nicely coloured and far better looking in real life than on photos.
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Hi David,
Very interesting setup up for those Cypripedium, I wonder if they are in a pot that has been interred, or if they are in the soil. If the latter, then it is even more interesting.
Do you have a close up of the soil?
Best,
Corrado & Rina
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A couple more of mine:
C. 'Annegret'
C. 'Alois'
C. kentuckiense X microsaccos
C. 'Sebastian'
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C. 'Annegret'
- John, if this is no secret, where you bought this plant and what's the size of the lip? This is strange story, P.Christian is providing information that W.Frosch registered this hybrid in 2010 as a parviflorum x shanxiense but no info on Frosch web-page.
Kristof
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Kristof,
I bought mine from a German source. Not Werner Frosch himself, but Werner has a photo of a superior coloured one:
http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Hybriden/anneg_e.htm (http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Hybriden/anneg_e.htm)
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how you find web page that my computer does not want to show ? I'm going to Frosch side, http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Hybriden/menu_eh1.htm (http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Hybriden/menu_eh1.htm) - and there is no "Annegret"... the world don't stop to surprise me...
Kristof
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Hi David,
Very interesting setup up for those Cypripedium, I wonder if they are in a pot that has been interred, or if they are in the soil. If the latter, then it is even more interesting.
Do you have a close up of the soil?
Best,
Corrado & Rina
No, sorry I don't but it would surprise me if it wasn't in the soil.
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Kristof,
I forgot to mention the size of the lip. This one has the same size as a calceolus or shanxiense. I think the better coloured one from Werner Frosch shown above has a better parentage when it comes to colour, but that is my own taste. I like the darker coloured petals and sepals more.
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how you find web page that my computer does not want to show ? I'm going to Frosch side, http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Hybriden/menu_eh1.htm (http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Hybriden/menu_eh1.htm) - and there is no "Annegret"... the world don't stop to surprise me...
Kristof
If I want to look it up using the URL of Frosch's website, I can't find it anymore either In the past I could, so I googled "Cypripedium Annegret Werner Frosch" and than I could find it again.
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You can always go to the ultimate source at the RHS international orchid register:
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/orchidregister/orchidregister.asp (http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/orchidregister/orchidregister.asp)
Information will probably appear there before Frosch's website, especially the grexes he hasn't registered.
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You can always go to the ultimate source at the RHS international orchid register:
- Peter, I was trying to find in this "ultimate source" a list of Dactylorhiza-hybrids to have a clear view what's going one... I don't know, maybe this is too complicate for me :)
Kristof
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It's not exactly intuitive, but if you use the 'parentage' name search, and know one of the parents, then it gives you a list of grexes which include that parent.
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- Peter, I was trying to find in this "ultimate source" a list of Dactylorhiza-hybrids to have a clear view what's going one... I don't know, maybe this is too complicate for me :)
Kristof
Hi Kristof,
It is a bit annoying that you can't get a list of all Dactylorhiza, but the closest you can get is a list of hybrids made with a particular parent, like Dactylorhisa majalis, as seed parent, and then do it again with the same as pollen parent. Then you get the list of all majalis hybrids. If you want to know what's going on, you have to subscribe to the updates. I think it is still only possible to do so with Orchid Review and on paper, but who knows; maybe one day you can get it as an email. Still, the people working there are friendly and helpfull when you do a registration :)
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Has anyone seen this? It makes me wonder, why I don't get any flowers of japonicum for several years in a row, only leaves.
http://youtu.be/f884rbGfx3A (http://youtu.be/f884rbGfx3A)
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What a display, someone's obviously perfected their growing technique. ;) ;D ;D
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Currently blooming with me: Cypripedium Ulla Silkens.
I like this white flower with the dotted lip very much und since I saw a photo of it it was "must have" for me. Now I found one by chance at an open day in a german orchid nursery.
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Hallo John,
your C. Annegret is very beautiful! I like this lighter ocher colour more than the dark one on Frosch's site. Hope that it will be available soon.
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Hallo Ulrich,
These lighter coloured Annegret are available at several sources at the moment. I have another one bought from another source, which is even a bit more lighter coloured.
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Two parviflorums. The first is parviflorum var. parviflorum. The second is I believe parviflorum var. makasin, but could be var. parviflorum too. The source wasn't sure either. Small, but beautifully coloured.
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Cypripedium californicum
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Cypripedium multiflower white
Cypripedium (montanumx parviflorum) Kentucky maxi , macranthos white calceolus
Cypripedium Kentucky maxi and pueblo
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An old Cypripedium reginae in my garden.
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Very nice Cyps Sarmienta and Ebbie. That reginae is one giant....I hear they are gross feeders is there anything special you have done for this beauty.. compost? fertliser?
cheers
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Very nice Cyps Sarmienta and Ebbie. That reginae is one giant....I hear they are gross feeders is there anything special you have done for this beauty.. compost? fertliser?
cheers
Thanks Stephen. I think the most important thing is patience. The plant is now about 13 years old.
My Cypripedium reginae stands in rather stony humous soil . It receives two to three times a year weak fertilizer solution. I mostly use 'Peters Professional'.
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Thanks Stephen. I think the most important thing is patience. The plant is now about 13 years old.
My Cypripedium reginae stands in rather stony humous soil . It receives two to three times a year weak fertilizer solution. I mostly use 'Peters Professional'.
Ebby,
what is the n.p.k. ratio of the peeters fertilizer and how much do you use per liter
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lily-anne, I don't know whether any other fertilizer isn't just as good.
Peters Professional: 20:20:20 NPK + micro nutrients. I take approximately half of the recommended volume.
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One of the organisers of the SRGC Discussion Weekend in 2012, Ann Sinclair, was lucky enough to win a prize in the raffle - she sent her husband out to choose a pot - this is the plant now in her garden in South West Scotland - she is very pleased!!
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so slowly you go to the flower with him.
Cyp. kentuckiense
Bernd
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Nice one, Maggi. Your lady organiser is lucky indeed.
One of my last ones flowering: C.reginae album, first year in the garden.
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Cypripedium 'Kentucky Pink Blusch' look like Cypripedium kentuckiense but it is a hybrid made by: http://www.gardenorchid.com/en/ (http://www.gardenorchid.com/en/)
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- but the biggest problem with plants from this company is, that amount of differences (shapes, colours, size) in plants with the same name is just huge. Looks like they don't care much about what exactly hides under the name, for example "Kentucky Pink Blush". Look please at the colour of your plant - where is something "pink" there? I can see yellowish "Dietrich"-like Cypripedium.
Kristof
P.S. Taking the opportunity - a few years ago thanks to your website I found link to the Anders R. Johnsen web-page, so many thanks :)
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the last Cyp in my garden for this year.
... grown from seed, first flower this year (after 7 years)
Bernd
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Karl,
your plant looks much more like 'Kentucky' than 'Kentucky pink blush'.
Unfortunately the problem of hybrids turning out to be not quite what was expected is
fairly common.
I estimate that 10-20% of the ones I've bought over the years turn out to be 'wrong'.
They take several years to grow from seed and during that time they all look alike.
Regards,
David
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David
I bought both 'Kentucky' and 'Kentucky Pink Blusch' of the same man and he said it was the species kentuckiense so I felt a bit cheated when I discovered it was hybrids. I also bought 'Publo' Regina and Regina alba but now I know it's hybrids. My 'Kentucky' and 'Kentucky Pink Blusch' do not look alike, I send a badly images of my 'Kentucky'
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hello Karl,
there is much confusion about the given namces of Cypripediums
from Netherlands Anthuria /garden orchids.
no doubt is, that the different Kentuckies are of hybird origin,
which normally have other RHS registered names.
BUT FOR ME the "Kentucky" from your last posting
is Cyp. kentuckiense, often sold as " Kentucky"
cheers
Dieter
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Cypripediums in the southern hemisphere...
This formosanum keeps getting better every year.
Its amazing how they respond to a good feed and regular watering. This is in a fine bark potting mix with perlite after 3 years...There was another potfull that was divided up and sold to some keen orchid growers :) so its getting around.
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heres are the picks :)
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Stephen,
funny to see them flowering,
while mine are going dormant .
congrats for nice cultivation :)
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Great plants! Congratulations! ;D ;D ;D
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Beautiful. It makes me miss spring already :(
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thanks for the comments... with a very warm start to spring it was up in a hurry and now theres frost to be expected but its protected. More to come and some new ones with fat buds, hope they are flowers ;D
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Stephen,
that is a stunning pot of formosanum.
Mine are dying down now, some did well some average in or warm summer.
I'm pretty sure that someone asked in the spring about the cyp offers from Holger Perner of hengduan Mountains Biotech in the autumn.
I received a pdf file earlier this week.
Is it possible to load this onto the web site?
If not I can send it by e mail,
Regards,
David
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Depends how big the pdf is - must be under 200kb.
Perhaps it can be obtained from their website ? http://hengduanbiotech.com/ (http://hengduanbiotech.com/)
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Maggi,
Thanks - I've tried their web site but cannot seem to find it.
the pdf is 758kb, so I could only send it out if people send me a PM.
It is worth it for the photos of the mother plant tibeticums alone.
Regards,
David
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Hi,
if you want to see the Hengduan Mountain Technology catalogue, here (http://www.heritageorchids.co.uk/Cypripedium%20price%20list%202013%20winter.pdf) it is.
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Maren,
thanks.
Some nice things but to my mind the tibeticums set new standards for the species,
David
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;)
Very natural ！
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Cyp parviflorum. Its such a small species. Now with 3 flowers. Such bright colouring.
I only dream of a massive clump. Due for repot.
enjoy
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And Gisela. I repotted this late in winter and it hasnt gone back. I keep the cage over them for protection.
This one tends to colours up better with some direct sun as the pouch becomes more pink.
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A new one to open after 8 years from flask, this came to me as Cypripedium tibeticum...well the pouch is not purple, its white.. so its not tibeticum. Any guesses?...a couple of days till it opens.
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its just the question, WHO gave it to you as "tibeticum".
for me this looks very much to be "kentuckiense /hybrid.
but iF it is from "chinese origin" it MIGHT BE fascioltum / hybrid.
next days will show. :)
cheers
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Stephen , just came across your impressive pan of Cyp. formosanum , Congratulations ! Did it originate from the plant I gave you many years ago? If so you are a much better grower than I am . I see that David Kennedy lists it in his latest catalogue , Otto.
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Stephen I quite like the buds as much as the flowers, looking forward to see the flower open.
I am a bit worried about some of mine as they are showing really big green buds. I think I might try and cover them. They are all outside and I don't want the buds to get frost damaged.
Angie :)
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Hi Goofy, It came from crusticare...I thought pubescens and I too thought kentuckiensis, Im wishing for fascioatum.
Hi Angie,
Bud swell for you at this time is a little unusual but maybe theyre clumping and thats big flower buds in the making. Have you had a warm spell? Keep them cool,you can move them into deeper shade for winter, fleece will help, some growers use autumn leaves. Im experimenting with woodchips on a macranthos in a pot, so far doing well as it burst through, helps to keep it cool and moist.
Hello Otto,
Yes orginally from you, many moons ago. Mat and I nearly killed it at 12 buds when the potting mix needing refreshing and I started to routinely feed it. It grew larger like no other sp. I think I cracked the cultivation of it and we split it 3 years ago and Mat splits his last winter and sold a dozen eyes to Dave Kennedy and passed some to friends.
Mine is due for a repot, do you have it? be glad to give you some.
Cheers
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Hello Angie,
Down the coast in Lincolnshire I'm finding the same thing. I've just been applying an extra layer of perlite to cover them. Mind you its not unusual, Emil and Sunny do it every year. It just seems to me that some plants make their new buds nearer the surface than others, With some such as Japonicum and fomomosanum I'd have to look two or three inches down, with others they are right at the surface. Burying seems to solve the problem, I just wish that Emil would stay buried.
It's hardly surprising that they are growing though given the mild weather. No frost, nights not much colder than they were in late August. Some of my cyps are still in full leaf and above ground look like they did just after flowering. My macranthos flowered in early May and is still looking green and healthy. Hopefully it will be produce loads of buds for next year ;D
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Thanks Stephen and Steve
Nice to hear your thoughts
Hopefully I will get a good display next year then, this year I was a bit disappointed so hoping for better results next year. I did go and cover them. I had some of those clay granules . Today was my first frost here so I am glad that I covered them.
I don't seem to have great success with Formosanum, but maybe it will perform better next year, lets hope so anyway.
Angie :)
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Angie I was just thinking in regards to your formosanum where you mentioned that it doesnt do so great for you. Its not one that needs the long 6 months of cold..You could place it indoors when the buds start to emerge and keep it inside for the early spring if you have a cool conservatorium or a sun room.
How long are your winters, how cold and when do the frosts stop?
cheers
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Stephen our winters are long up here in beautiful Scotland. I would say that I had my first frost here a couple of days ago. April is about the last month here for the last hard frost. I live quite close to the sea and I my garden isn't sheltered thats for sure so frosts aren't as hard here.
I do have a greenhouse that I keep about 3 degrees, used to keep it higher but now that I have my koi pond and heat the waterl I share the heat now. Saying this koi are swimming in a nice 17 degrees at the moment.
I killed, well I won't say home many Cypripediums as I thought they were tender but now I have stop cuddling them ;D I wondered if the buds were really big because we had a hard winter and a lovely summer, any thoughts.
Stephen do you grow all your Cyps, in the same compost.
Angela.
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Stephen, I live a few miles, as the crow flies, from Angie - I'd say we have six months of bad weather and then winter!
Angie, always one to be optimistic, reckons that bad frosts can be over by April - I'd say that through all May it's possible to have a killing frost here. We can go weeks below zero and that is with no snow cover at all.
I work at being cheerful - but when it comes to weather I often lose the battle!
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I am worried about the bad and even killing frost up until May in Aberdeen. Formosanum is an early riser and does not take frost well, if it is in growth. The chance of killing the plant in your spring is quite high, if it is exposed in the open. If you have it in pots take it inside your green house, if these frost periods occur. If you have it in the garden, well, I would keep my fingers crossed if the plant does not have some protection.
Best wishes,
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Angie, thoses clay granules should work. Cyps have a natural habit of clumping and growing towards the surface. Repotting is a good time to sink them further down when you get around to it.
From what Maggie and John are saying about their climate similar to yours I would place your formosanum inside your glass house in April or when you see the buds burst. It only needs 3 months of cold(dormantcy). After bud burst is the time when forosanum can suffer if it gets below zero for an extended time. If your glass house is at 3c with the plant in full sun which is gentle at that time of year it should be ok. It will favour 5c to 10c and grow. This will also give it a few more months in leaf so it should increase more. Feed it at half strength and then place it outside in June.
Yes your right the other hybrids are much more hardier and you dont have to cuddle them ;)
My formosanum and my hybrids like the bark/sand/perlite/diatomite mix. The diatomite is something new and already shows promise as it holds more moisture and nutrients. Its much drier here so my mix works for me. Sand and perlite works well too and this is for species, adding the diatomite to these too.
My worry is the heat as my Cyps tend to go dormant in mid summer if too hot,35c. If dry at this time they can die. The longer you can keep the leaves green till autumn the better.
So we all have challenges and its understanding the happy medium otherwise they are easy and rewarding ;)
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Cyp formosanum leaves open up and fill the pot.
And Cyp tibeticum is looking more like kentuckiensis :( but it is a nice species :)
cheers
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Stephen,
Regarding your summers, are they dry with humidity levels low? If so, maybe you are able to grow montanum.
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Hi John,
I thought montanum would prefer a cooler summer. In regards to humidity levels they are low in winter /spring then high in summer/ autumn depending on the monsoon from Asia that comes down here. Im better off with a hybrid that looks like montanum.
Would like to get some seed of montanum and parviflorum as I have a grower that is succssfull in germinating them in flask. Know of a source?
I have guttatum thats new to me, 2 yr old seedling and doing well, hope I can get it through the summer. Do you grow this one?
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Yes I grow guttatum from seedlings and almost flowering size now and the natural hybrid x alaskanum. Both do well straight in the garden. I find them not that hard, although they need a longer period of cold.
My experience with montanum hybrids is mixed. If the montanum blood is dominant they can be quite difficult as montanum is. Have lost a couple of them (Sebastian, Alois and even columbianum), but other specimens do well. I have been in an interesting discussion re: montanum with Bill Steele from Spangle Creek at the moment. His experience with successfully growing montanum is the dry summer and low humidity when he was living in Washington State. Now he is in Minnesota he can't grow montanum successfully anymore. Too humid and wet in the summer. He has seedlings, but don't ship internationally anymore unfortunately. I have some seeds of montanum myself for trying in vitro sowing. You should watch Ebay. Sometimes seeds of montanum is being offered there. Otherwise, I don't know.
Best,
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Stephen I will take my Cyp formosanum into the greenhouse.. Maggi and John are probably right about the frosts. I think this year I got real worried in May as the Cyps were well up and we did have a hard frost. See my memory is starting to fail.
I keep my Cyps in a cold frame in the shade. The pots are sunken into gravel just to save the pots from cracking. There is a polycarbonate lids over them to give them some protection.
Its funny as this was the first Cypripedium that I bought was formosanum. I liked the leaves but it never did anything for me. I think I won't own up how many that I have bought and killed. I got one from Graham Catlow so hopefully with the knowledge I have now ::) i might stand a chance with this one.
Angie :)
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Hi John,
Thats good to hear and theres hope for me that you grow guttatum and say its easy. These came from Tasmania with a similar climate.
In regards to montana and Bill it confirms with me that this species is difficult. If I could grow a batch of seedlings with similar climate zone to here I would have a chance. From memory Ross K from the states collected seeds of montana with larger flowers and showed vigour and also californica same again, some of that seed fould its way here. With genetic variability I think 2% may survive with me or it maybe that theory of 'kill alot before you master how to grow alot'.
Sebastian sounds familiar. I wonder if its here.
Do you have much success growing in vitro of cyps?
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Hi Angie,
Good to hear...I think all first timers try their luck with formosanum. Im the opposite and thinking of putting C guttatum in the fridge this winter.The things we do.
Sounds like your doing the right thing with a cold frame, gives them some protection from cold winds..sinking the pots prevents the roots from freezing and thawing too, the less of that the better :) yes i think you'll do better
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I waited 9 years and its not tibeticum but it is a nice kentuckiensis...got a bit carried away with the photo shoot.
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A species I never got to see flower. :-\
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That's worth the wait Stephen. A very nice kentuckiense indeed.
About my sowing experiences, well, let's put it this way. It is a lot of doing and not that many successes so far. It is mainly acaule that I have tried, because I have killed so many expensive adult ones, I want to try getting these from seed myself, to find the right way for me for this difficult one.
Although I have managed to keep a few alive for several years now in living Sphagnum, but than the black birds come and wreack havoc in the Sphagnum pulling the root systems out. This summer on a warm and dry sunny day and when I was not home, they pulled this trick with two root systems, which were found a couple of feet from the pots completely dried and dead >:( >:(.
No successes with the acaule flasks so far. First the bleaching stage was full of mistakes by me (too short or long or a too high concentration of bleach, etc.) and than keeping the flasks uncontaminated. I do everything in my own kitchen. After much reading and doing lots of sowing I now have found a method that works, at least with other hardy orchids. I can keep the flasks sterile without too many tricks and the seeds are germinating so I have started the sowing of Cyps again, which is in full throttle at this moment with trying acaule (also the white form) and montanum. When I have succes I will think of you for some seedlings (in flask).
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Sounds like your getting there...I hear the bleaching of seed is the trickest part just before it goes translusant... I have a few kentuckiensis so i may have seed to send but next year as the other didnt flower to cross...only parviflorum, if these cross there might be pods..I'll keep you up dated.
In regards to black birds try a cage or pin down some chicken wire onto your rhyzomes and sphagnum on top. Theres a good book on Growing Hardy Orchids by John Tullock, he goes into great depth with C acaule cultivation using the bog method...great information and pictures and results.
Anthony you may have some luck in finding kentuckiensis there...maybe even some cv's
cheers
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I want to come back to the growing difficulties with Cypripedium montanum (and some of its hybrids). On the website of mr. Werner Frosch he shows a climate diagram of C. montanum with precipitation (blue line), temperature (magenta line) and snow (blue area) coverage shown (see attachment). If you study the diagram closer, you'll find out that C. montanum grows in rather dry growing conditions. Being under snow (dry) for quite a few months and a rather high evapotranspiration conditions (dry) in most of the growing season.
There are climate diagrams for other species on his website http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Kultur/klima_e.htm (http://www.w-frosch.de/Cypris/Kultur/klima_e.htm) which are very interesting for determining what the growing conditions are for wild species regarding temperature, precipitation and soil condition (wet or dry). What strikes me most are the conditions in Huanglong China, where the spotted leaves Cyps are growing. The amount of rainfall in the growing area is very very high, so the leaves have to cope with all this water. The current paradigm to not water the orchids from above to avoid getting the leaves wet, must be reconsidered and be seen in a different perspective. I have a Cypripedium fargesii growing outside in the garden in a raised and very well drained bed, which has grown from one bud this summer to two new buds this fall still with healthy roots. Lots of rain has fallen on the plant this year and it has not killed it.
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John it might mean they are a little drought tollerant. Would they favour more moisture. My problem would be to keep the temps down when dry. It heats up here when dry. I allways thought that added moisture would keep them cool. Its that hard to find balance if they like where you are. Lots die in the process.. but its hopefull and will look out for it....cheers
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I think they need lots of water in the growing season, but with very very well-drained soil. The soil in the garden for my Cyps is normally a mix of sandy but humus rich garden soil, with perlite, seramis, bark , etc. But the raised bed with fargesii is filled only with perlite, seramis, pumice and a very tiny bit of coir. The bed is about 20 cm high and in the shade of a tree and between shrubs, ferns, epimedium and the like, but still open for the wind to dry the leaves. It gets a bit of sun only in early spring when the tree has not leafed out yet. The rest of the year it is in the shade of the tree and shrubs facing north. The spot is quite cool in the summer.
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Cypripedium growers may be interested to see what Milan Sembol in the Czech Republic has available, see
http://www.cypripediums.net/rostliny/cypripedia/ (http://www.cypripediums.net/rostliny/cypripedia/)
He also has Pleione available.
His prices are shown in Czech Koruna and the latest exchange rate I've seen is £1 = 32.7 Koruna
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Thank you David.
I have ordered from other Czechs this fall at this webshop.
http://www.cypripedium.cz/cyps/default.aspx (http://www.cypripedium.cz/cyps/default.aspx)
Very good and healthy roots and buds.
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David,
thanks for the link.
As the opening page is in Czech I clicked on the 'translate' option at the top of the page.
This then had the unfortunate result of translating the species 'debile' as 'asshole'.
If you examine the lip then I guess that there is some resemblance!
Regards,
David
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Yes, I wondered if anyone would notice that ;D Elsewhere the English translation refers to "Sowing own testicular". Great body of text folks!
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those are hillarious translations...!! haha I can add that "debile" in french means "stupid, idiotic or moronic", so if you tell someone in french that they are "debile", you are letting them know that they are one of the most stupid and moronic people you have ever met!
I do sometimes wonder where botanists and plantsmen get their names from...a few years back, there was even a dutch bred crocus hybrid called "negro boy"...and i have seen some very funny names amonghst fritillaria and tulipa hybrids as well....
Pontus
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The Dutch translation on the website for 'debile' gives L*L, the Dutch equivalent for Pr*ck, which Dutch people use for A**hole.
Funny though, because we have the Dutch word "Debiel" for moron.
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one of my favourite cypripediums flowering this year, highly scented, the beautifull cypripedium cordigerum :)
Pontus
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A beautiful, very graceful Bloom!