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Title: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Diane Whitehead on December 01, 2007, 11:30:50 PM
I've tried unsuccessfully to get the flowers perfectly sharp, but don't
want to spend enough time kneeling in the cold to do it.  (I guess I
should put on a jacket and mitts.)

This erodium has been flowering nonstop since the summer.  I bought
it in 1994 as Erodium supraceum, but assume that was a misprint for
supracanum.
 
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: zephirine on December 02, 2007, 02:34:23 AM
A hard-headed spike, decided to light its litlle candles from botttom to top, right to the very tip of it: Veronica grandis.
And to keep her company, Hebe 'Midsummer Beauty', still blooming here and there.
Both refused to take into account the -6 to -8°C we had for a couple of nights lately!
Zeph Gottheblues 
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on December 02, 2007, 03:27:22 PM
Junos and a Crocus are flowering in the greenhouse. If I could get one day with sunshine there would be a lot of Colchicums and Crocus in flower. Now they just donīt want to open.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 02, 2007, 09:28:08 PM
Is that the same iris you posted a couple of days ago Peter. I LOVE that colour combination. Who says there's no grey in flowers? I hope you are cross pollinating them. :)
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: KentGardener on December 03, 2007, 09:18:51 AM
I looked in the garden for anything 'alpine' to photograph and failed miserably.  So here are a few things that caught my eye anyway:

Watsonia
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Crassula
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A rather nice shiney leaved form of Asplenium scolopendrium
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Fred
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John
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: zephirine on December 03, 2007, 10:00:22 AM
Fred
Nice "evergrin" you have there, John... Is it a particular species? ;D
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: John Forrest on December 05, 2007, 12:05:16 PM
Fantastic Iris Peter. If you have a good macro lens I would like to see a closer picture.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on December 05, 2007, 03:36:30 PM
I have got a name on the Iris, I. persica.
I could take a more closeup tomorrow if you want.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 05, 2007, 07:42:22 PM
Yes please.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Martin Baxendale on December 05, 2007, 10:58:32 PM
I was complaining earlier in the year that I couldn't find Campanula isophylla plants or seeds anywhere these days (my sole surviving plant is still flowering away like mad in my lean-too).

In case anyone else is interested, I found a source for seed - www.nickys-nursery.co.uk

It's rather a nice little mail order seed business. Not really many alpine type plants, but good for various good bread-and-butter annuals, tender perennials, biennials, vegetable seeds etc. Very good value - lots of seed for not much money - I think they must sell a lot to small commercial growers. I've just ordered loads, including seed of white and blue forms of Camp. isophylla, Lapageria rosea, Viola corsica (which I used to have masses of but not so many left now - a lovely little blue violet and quite perennial) etc, etc. plus some nice veg seed for the allotment.

Dead chuffed to have found C. isophylla seed again. It's a super plant for under glass, flowering virtually all year round. Shame it's not so common these days. Used to be in all the garden centres.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: zephirine on December 06, 2007, 09:47:48 AM
A little pic taken this morning, especially for Dear Maggi !
Any resemblance with existing or past galanthus should be considered as a pure coincidence... ;D

"Smile!....Tomorrow will be worse!" ;D
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Martin Baxendale on December 06, 2007, 10:53:22 AM
I love the Saxifraga fortunei forms, especially the pinks, but just can't keep them going in the garden. They either succumb to drought, have their roots eaten by vine weevils or just generally pine away. I guess a hot, dry south-facing hillside garden just doesn't do it for them!  :-[
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 06, 2007, 07:21:39 PM
Martin, substitute the word north, for south, and your post could well be mine in every respect. My last one has recently crumbled to dust.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Paddy Tobin on December 06, 2007, 09:36:33 PM
But, Lesley, I am sure you will grow them again!

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: zephirine on December 07, 2007, 04:13:58 AM
It must be a kind of compensation: I can't grow most of your alpines, as my soil is heavy and moist, and the drainage is poor...but the "daimonjisou" seem to like it  here!
Some japanese cultivars are lovely, either for foliage or for flowers:
-Daimonjisou 1 (http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forum/messages/1212584/1230549.jpg)
-Daimonjisou 2 (http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forum/messages/1212584/1230550.jpg)
-Daimonjisou 3 (http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forum/messages/1212584/1230551.jpg)
-Daimonjisou 4 (http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forum/messages/1212584/1230903.jpg)
-Daimonjisou 5 (http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forum/messages/1212584/1233097.jpg)
-Daimonjisou 6 (http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forum/messages/1212584/1233098.jpg)

My first love of them, and still one of my favs, is Saxifraga fortunei 'Rubrifolia'.
I have cropped some seeds (or I'd rather say : some "dust"! lol) on my plants, and see if they will germinate?
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on December 07, 2007, 08:20:21 AM
Some close-ups on the Iris persica.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on December 07, 2007, 08:34:24 AM
There are a few Colchicum and Crocus that flowers in the greenhouse. The light is not enogh so they are a little scrambling.
Yesterday I finished the foundation for one of my new bulbhouse (3). They will be unheated and with glas. Hopefully the bulbs will start later and look better. Of course itīs almost full already. I just have to build the roof before the winter.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Thomas Huber on December 07, 2007, 08:45:22 AM
Wonderful Crocus, Peter!
Any idea what it is?
Where is it from?
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on December 07, 2007, 09:21:41 AM
Itīs from Syria. I donīt know if the yellow is a alba form or something else.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Thomas Huber on December 07, 2007, 11:28:44 AM
Hmm, Syria?
My first thought seems to be confirmed: Crocus allepicus!

The yellow one isn't as easy to ID: graveolens and vitellinus both
occour in Syria. Graveolens has an unpleasent smell and 5-8 leaves
0,5 to 1,5mm broad, while vitellinus has only 2-4 leaves 1,5 to 3mm broad!
Hope these dates will help you to ID!
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on December 07, 2007, 03:49:31 PM
The yellow Crocus have 5 leavs. I donīt know if it smells. The C. allepicus have a very nice smell.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on December 07, 2007, 03:52:34 PM
Today there was another Juno that started to flower.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: dominique on December 07, 2007, 06:06:33 PM
Peter
Thank you for these splendid species. Hope that you have seeds of them...!!!
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on December 07, 2007, 09:07:54 PM
I bought some Petrocosmea from Aberconway Nursery last year. They are best when they are just one single rosett but the flowers are OK to.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: mark smyth on December 07, 2007, 10:06:14 PM
Peter what are the Colchicums?
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 08, 2007, 01:40:56 AM
But, Lesley, I am sure you will grow them again!

Paddy

But not available here recently, not the species anyway. Haven't seen seed either.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: dominique on December 08, 2007, 07:09:31 PM
Not a bulb nor alpine but I am enjoy to see the first flowers of Hamamelis. Spring is so far....
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Maggi Young on December 09, 2007, 06:09:49 PM
Wow! Your Hamamelis is very early, Do. When it stops raining ( if it stops raining this week,) I will see how far along my buds are here in Aberdeen.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: ian mcenery on December 09, 2007, 11:22:17 PM
Not an alpine but lovely when you stand back from it is Mahonia charity. Though a little leggy it is still a bonus as it grows under a very large birch which doesn't encourage other plants
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Diane Whitehead on December 10, 2007, 06:31:50 AM
Mahonia Charity is appreciated by hummingbirds. They are also
sipping from Fuchsias and Arbutus unedo.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: ian mcenery on December 10, 2007, 11:57:18 AM
Diane I wish we had the hummingbirds - sigh !!!!!
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lvandelft on December 10, 2007, 07:08:20 PM
Today at the weekly flowershow in Lisse I saw some very early flowers.
Shown by Sjaak de Groot there were:
Scilla rosenii and Fritillaria karelinii, both flowering outside!
Luit van Delft
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Diane Whitehead on December 11, 2007, 07:20:45 AM
It is very helpful to have a flower where the decoration is on the outside.
So many flowers never open for me because they need sunshine, and
usually our winters are cloudy.

Does Fritillaria karelinii require sunshine to open?
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lvandelft on December 11, 2007, 04:01:04 PM
Diane, I think the sun is not so important, because I
cannot say we are living in the most sunny country this
time of year.
But as this frit is a desert plant I presume the temperature
will be very important after flowering time.
This year we had a very warm April and a cold autumn,
so the bulbs know that after a cold period they normally
start to flower. The average temps in November and December
were relatively high until now, so we see many things come
into flower already.
Luit
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Joakim B on December 13, 2007, 12:39:02 PM
The closest we have to Christmas flowers here in Portugal is the Cymbidiums that are able to be outside all Year :)  8)
Here they are at night  ;D
Here in Portugal they do not have the tradition to get bulbus plants for Christmas and it is too late to order it from Dutch suppliers?

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Paddy Tobin on December 14, 2007, 11:00:11 PM
An early arrival home this afternoon meant light enough for a few photographs, so here is a selection of what is in flower at the moment in the south of Ireland.

Cyclamen persicum - a white cultivar. I think it was Mark who posted some photographs of C. persicum a few weeks ago and wondered if members thought they were considered beneath their dignity. This has been outdoors since November 2006 and has proven a reliable performer in this pot - an old cooking pot.


Erodium pelargonifolium - still a few flowers holding on.
Helleborus - not sure what this is, from seed.
Helleborus - ditto, showing the flowers.
Ipheoin 'Froyle Mill'
Ranunculus creticus - just for Mr. Ranunculus himself.
What is this fruit, a bowlful picked from the ground this afternoon - hint, the flower of this shrub was posted in search of an identity earlier in the year.
The same fruit on the bush.


Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: zephirine on December 15, 2007, 04:28:53 AM
This has been outdoors since November 2006 and has proven a reliable performer in this pot - an old cooking pot.
Paddy
Lovely to see such flowers and greenery on my screen while it is -4°C outdoors! Thanks Paddy!
I'm just a little surprised : I thought all pots in your garden, and all your cooking pots, would be made of crystal, lol! ;D
Could your hellebore be a nigercors, maybe?
Zephirine
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Mick McLoughlin on December 15, 2007, 09:54:21 AM
Paddy
 Could the unusual fruit be from my enquiry earlier in the year, as the 'fruit salad' bush or Feioja
(Acca sellowiana).
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=543.msg13250#msg13250

Cheers
Mick
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: ranunculus on December 15, 2007, 12:11:16 PM
Thankyou kind sir!!!

Have you booked for Switzerland yet?
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: ashley on December 15, 2007, 12:32:17 PM
Lovely pictures Paddy. 

I'd agree with Mick on the Feijoa; are they ripe enough to be edible?   Despite the usual explanation of 'unedo' I find our Arbutus fruits excellent to eat.  Unfortunately so do the local blackbirds!

That R. creticus is beautiful; what conditions do you give it?
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Paddy Tobin on December 15, 2007, 02:00:05 PM
Oh Zepherine,

Crystal is so passé, so common here !!! The days of plentiful crystal here in Waterford have passed. Much of the work is now done abroad and 'blanks' returned to Waterford for cutting, perhaps. At one time Waterford Crystal employed in  or abouts 3,000 people but that heyday has passed and it is now a far smaller operation than previously. We have a nice set of glasses but now no longer use them as regularly as previously as replacement has become so expensive. The hellebore is certainly not H. nigercors but I cannot name it myself. It's an odd old thing but great as a filler-in between large shrubs, something I have used it for in another part of the garden.

Mick,

Well spotted! You have hit the nail on the head. Feijoa sellowiana is exactly what it is. I hadn't taken note of the fruits until I was looking about for signs of snowdrops under the shrub and spotted them all over the grouns. Lesley, they are well ripened and ready for eating. I find them neither unpleasant not particularly spectacularly flavoured but find the smell quite unusual, almost an artificial chewing gum smell.

Glad you liked the ranunculus, Mr. Ranunculus. It is growing on a raised bed, plenty of grit added to the planting medium and seems a very hardy and tough plant, certainly gets no other attention here and performs yearly without fail. Re Switzerland: the only company which offer Wengen is Inghams and their brochure is not available here in the travel agents yet. We have been considering staying at Interlaken where the Hotel Grand Beau Rivage took Mary's fancy and then use this as a base to move around. I know it would be a bit away from Wengen, not that terribly far though, but it would allow for other interests (Mary's in other words) to be catered for.

Well spotted, Mick. Go out, pick some fruit and enjoy!

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Mick McLoughlin on December 15, 2007, 04:18:14 PM
Unfortunately no fruits on mine Paddy, only had a couple of flowers.
It was the light underside of the leaf that gave it away.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Rob on December 15, 2007, 04:55:28 PM
Paddy your hellebore is probably some type of H. foetidus unless an expert contradicts me!
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Tim Murphy on December 15, 2007, 05:02:12 PM
Paddy, your hellebore is definitely straight H. argutifolius. It's too big to be x nigercors (sorry Zepherine) and whilst it is a caulescent hellebore like foetidus, there are many differences that make the two species easy to tell apart (sorry Rob).

Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Joakim B on December 15, 2007, 05:06:54 PM
Tim just out of interest how do one tell the two apart?
It is good to know  ;D
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Tim Murphy on December 15, 2007, 07:02:35 PM
Hello Joakim, I have attached some photos of Helleborus foetidus so that you can make sense of my explanation. There are several way to tell H. argutifolius and H. foetidus from one another. Looking at the leaves of argutifolius, you can see that they are trifoliate, Look at the leaves of foetidus and you can see that there are always more than three leaflets. The central leaflet is always undivided and the lateral ones are very often subdivided. The toothing around the margin of the leaves is very much more pronounced on the foliage of argutifolius than it is on the margins of foetidus foliage. Argutifolius leaflets are wider than foetidus leaflets. The leaflets of argutifolius have a hard, dry, tough feel to them, whereas the leaflets of foetidus are a little more delicate.

The flowers are different too; argutifolius flowers open up more than foetidus flowers, although the latter will open its flowers if they have been pollinated, to accommodate the growing seed pods. Whilst the flowers of foetidus are still carrying stamens though, the sepals will not reflex as much as those on argutifolius flowers.



Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Joakim B on December 15, 2007, 07:16:22 PM
Tim Thanks a lot for the very informative answer :)
Now I know better how to tell them apart.
It is always a great pleasure to be taught by knowledgeable people 8).
I bet more people will be happy to have this guide to separate the two.

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Paddy Tobin on December 15, 2007, 11:40:38 PM
Thank you, Tim.

As you say, it is definitely not H. foetidus which grows elsewhere in the garden. I find it, H. argutifolius, an excellent plant and have a good patch of them elsewhere in the garden where I wanted to fill space quickly and cheaply and so grew a few on from seed of the one photographed in my earlier posting.

Well spotted, Mick. The underside of the leaves are quite a bit lighter than the glossy green uppers. The fruit is quite perfumed and I am not sure that it is entirely to my liking - the smell, that is.

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 16, 2007, 03:31:00 AM
Ripe feijoas are as green as the unripe, just softer to touch. I like them raw when fully ripe but they are very good peeled, stewed with brown sugar and eaten with thick cream. They make a very good jam too.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: zephirine on December 16, 2007, 04:01:45 AM
I was about to ask the same question as Joakim, but more in terms of :
"How do you differentiate argutifolius form nigercors?" (niger x argutifolius I believe).
I'd be very interested too!
I have a plant which was sold to me as nigercors, and looks very much like Paddy's.
It usually blooms later (March), but this year is so special, and I've noticed buds on this plant, already.
TIA
Zeph
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Tim Murphy on December 16, 2007, 09:29:06 AM
Hi Zeph, the problem with these hybrids is that they hugely variable across the range. A good plant of x nigercors, or any of the other interspecific hybrids will be intermediate between the parent species. Many offspring though often lean more towards one parent than the other. A very good example of this is H. x sternii. There are some superb examples of this hybrid available, which typically have silver/blue/grey foliage (lividus genes) and are not as tall and sprawling as straight argutifolius (again, lividus genes), but that are hardy in the garden and are extremely floriferous (argutifolius genes). In its worst forms though, x sternii can look just like normal argutifolius.

The plant in your first photo is definitely x nigercors, Zeph. The flowers are the first giveaway. I can see that they are larger than the flowers of argutifolius and they open up more as the flowers of H. niger would do.

The foliage is variable; like I said in my previous post, the foliage of argutifolius is trifoliate. Unfortunately, the foliage of x nigercors can be trifoliate too; I would steer clear of a plant like this because if I want a plant of this hybrid, I want it to be intermediate between the two parent species. If I wanted a plant that looked like argutifolius, I'd buy argutifolius. In a good plant (just my opinion), the foliage will be intermediate between niger and argutifolius; there would be more than three leaflets and there would still be strong toothing around the leaf margin. Some of this is very difficult to explain through a typed post; the leaves would also have that "niger look" about them; you really need to look at the two plants (niger and argutifolius) side by side to understand what I mean.  I wish I had some decent photos to post to illustrate the point!

H. x nigercors is a worthwhile hybrid; the flowers are niger-like without all of the cultivation problems that seem to afflict so many of those who try to grow niger outside. I'll finish with a piece of advice that applies to nearly all hellebores (not to species plants grown from wild seed), to be sure of knowing that you are getting what the label says you are getting, buy in flower. H. x nigercors should have large, almost white, open flowers. If the flowers look more like those on Paddy's plant, walk away. The problem is that a lot of nurseries (especially those who sell to the garden centres) don't rogue out the poor forms of these hybrids. Around here I see a lot of x sternii for sale which look just like straight argutifolius, except with a very light silver sheen across the leaves. It's a pity.

Apologies for the rambling post; it's still early here :-) Maybe I'll make more sense later on...
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Joakim B on December 16, 2007, 09:45:35 AM
Tim Yet another very informative post.
I was able to see the slightly more open flowers on Zephs plant and it was interesting to hear about the hybrids not being a good mix of the genes but almost a copy of one parent.
Now I know I need to be aware of that if bying a hybrid.

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Rob on December 16, 2007, 02:30:47 PM
Tim thanks for those two posts, they're very informative for a newbie.

The only H argutifolius I've seen had dark foliage and a lot of contrast to the flowers, so I guessed H foetidus for Paddys plant

Now that you have pointed out the difference between the leaves it is easy to tell them apart.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: rob krejzl on December 16, 2007, 02:44:16 PM
I think Tim is a newbie only in his exposure here on the SRGC. I've been (silently) reading and learning from him (about hellebores and cyclamen) on another site for a while.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Rob on December 16, 2007, 02:51:53 PM
Whoops. I meant I'm the newbie who doesn't know much about hellebores.

My poor english made it ambiguous
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Diane Whitehead on December 16, 2007, 06:40:08 PM
I have five Helleborus niger plants that have been in the garden for
about 20 years.  I chose about seven from a lot of them in
flower at my local garden centre.  I selected the most distinctive ones
on offer - the pointiest petals, roundest flower, pinkest, purest white,
and so on.  Two died, but the rest are fine.

This is the one that is always in flower for Christmas.  I took the
picture to show the foliage, which is dark green and wide.

Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Tim Murphy on December 16, 2007, 07:43:24 PM
Don't worry Rob & Rob K, I know what you both meant :-)

There's a bit of a lull at the moment in the glasshouses and garden before the winter/spring flowering plants start. In flower and looking good in leaf at the moment are the following:

1. Cyclamen colchicum (past its best now).
2. Cyclamen elegans silver leaf form.
3. More of the above.
4. Cyclamen parviflorum in leaf.
5. True wild species Helleborus orientalis.
6. Helleborus vesicarius; this plant will be flowering after Christmas.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: rob krejzl on December 16, 2007, 08:25:00 PM
My bad. Shouldn't post when insomnia strikes.

Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Tim Murphy on December 16, 2007, 08:45:55 PM
My bad. Shouldn't post when insomnia strikes.



Rob, I spend a lot of time on websites when that happens :-) So you've been lurking over on the GB site then?
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: rob krejzl on December 16, 2007, 09:23:20 PM
Yes. I've been thinking about trying H. vesicarius (I'm on sand which dries out fairly well each summer) and decided on some research before doing so.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Maggi Young on December 16, 2007, 09:34:33 PM
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So you've been lurking over on the GB site then
forgive my ignorance... which site is this, please?
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: rob krejzl on December 16, 2007, 09:44:16 PM
GardenBuddies: http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forum/messages/12648/12648.html (http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forum/messages/12648/12648.html).

See Maggi, you just can't trust us to remain faithful.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Tim Murphy on December 16, 2007, 10:09:41 PM
I find the that the period between germination and the plant emerging again with the first true leaves is the hardest with vesicarius. The seedling doesn't put a lot of root down and there's a fine line between giving too much moisture during dormancy and it rotting off, and keeping it too dry and having the seedling dessicate.

Once the seedling re-emerges with the first true leaves, it's not a particularly difficult species, it's just slow. It can be grown outside in the UK for sure; summer wet is more of a problem than winter cold. I'll post some photos of my vesicarius again when they are flowering.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: rob krejzl on December 16, 2007, 10:29:55 PM
That's why I thought it was a possibility for me. I'm drier than most places I can remember from the UK, but also have access to water for irrigation. Now to tear myself away from the keyboard and start shifting the load of topsoil which has just been delivered. Oh joy, oh ruapture!
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Maggi Young on December 17, 2007, 11:27:44 AM
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GardenBuddies: http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forum/messages/12648/12648.html.

See Maggi, you just can't trust us to remain faithful.

I'll have a lurk there, too, looks interesting!

As to your fidelity, Rob, I suppose that boys will be boys  :P
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Maggi Young on December 17, 2007, 11:29:46 AM
So now we know that Rob K. is getting a rupture for Christmas.... anything to get out of the washing up, eh, Rob? 
I covet all sorts of hellebores but the BD keeps telling me we have no space for more of them  :-\.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: David Nicholson on December 17, 2007, 12:00:18 PM
Another picture of one of my Lewisia cotyledon hybrids still flowering. This one got chucked out of the greenhouse in mid-November owing to lack of space and was deposited in the racking I use to over-summer my Auriculas, where it was promptly forgotten about. It hasn't been watered for many a week.

Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Maggi Young on December 17, 2007, 07:46:26 PM
Those Lewisias of yours are giving very good value, David... thriving on neglect in some cases , it seems!
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Diane Whitehead on December 18, 2007, 09:56:04 PM
I grew this Pelargonium from seed sown in 2002, and it has been growing
next to the street ever since.  It was named P. quinquelobatum on the
seedex packet, but I think it is P. quercifolium.  It was killed back to the
root last winter, which was a particularly stormy one, with trees blowing
over onto the house, but grew again in the summer, though not yet to the
size it was before.

I just noticed a single flower on it.  I'm sure it has never flowered in winter
before.

Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: mark smyth on December 18, 2007, 10:03:54 PM
Yes I would say P. quercetorum.

P. quinquelobatum looks like this. It is duck egg blue
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Anthony Darby on December 18, 2007, 11:23:50 PM
Don't know either, but I suspect the leaves are similar - i.e. "oak leaved" or "five lobed". Incidentally, according to a journalist in one of our local rags, the singular of leaves is leave! ::) How hardy is it? Worth trying in Scotland? The following pics are Galanthus peshmenii flowering in a trough now and a day lily which produces flowering stems in October, but they never open.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Diane Whitehead on December 19, 2007, 01:54:48 AM
An easy way to tell if something will be hardy for me is to look at the
data for each plant in those Phillips and Rix books. 

If they say  "Hardy to -15 C", then the plant will never be damaged.

"Hardy to -10 C", - it will be hardy except for horrible winters that even
damage native trees, perhaps every decade or so.

About Pelargonium quercifolium they say: "Min. -3 C, perhaps less".
Maybe it was -4 last winter when its top growth was killed.  It is
planted with no shelter from northeast winds, which are the ones
we get when it is cold.  (Our more usual southwesterlies blow up
from Hawaii.)

I'm not sure where they get their data, but you should be able to
compare this with your conditions.




Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: ashley on December 19, 2007, 11:16:36 AM
P. quinquelobatum looks like this. It is duck egg blue

Which of us is colour-blind Mark? ;D
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Paddy Tobin on December 19, 2007, 01:34:40 PM
Ashley,

This is simply the effects of the Northern Lights reflecting on the petals.

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 19, 2007, 07:39:33 PM
Lucky duck!

Some odd things happen. The posting in my Inbox comes up as "Lesley, This is simply the effects....." whereas it's actually Ashley who's on the receiving end.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: shelagh on December 21, 2007, 02:37:32 PM
Thought you might like to see what Brian found lurking in the greenhouse and frame.
Firstly Correa 'Dusky Maid' a lovely flower but a poor specimen shape wise. We had hoped to use it on the Show bench but I think I would have to prune it severely and see if it will bush out a bit. Will it stand this treatment do you think?
Secondly Petrocosmea rosettifolia, this is our first venture with the
 Petrocosmeas and I think we chose the wrong one, some of the others have better flowers.  Still at least it is still alive, if a bit congested.

Merry Christmas to you all, my AGS seed has arrived, looking forward to SRGC's arriving in the New Year, so many more little pots to knock over. Brian says it does them no harm they just think the scree has moved down the mountain a bit.

I have had to retype several parts of this meassage as my fingers seem to keep plaiting together today, anyone would think I had been on the cooking sherry. (The very idea, G&T's aren't due till 5.30pm.)
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Maggi Young on December 21, 2007, 02:59:07 PM
Nice flowers on the Correa, Shelagh.
 Ian says he'd cut it all back quite hard. I'd say, try one ot two outside branches first, taking them hard down but waiting until you see how it offers to break into growth before cutting it all down..... I think we've covered all our bases there ::)  I do inlcline to the some now, some in spring method, though it is hard to chop anything that is so obliging as to be flowering now!


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so many more little pots to knock over. Brian says it does them no harm they just think the scree has moved down the mountain a bit.
Oh, Brian, it's saying things like this that make me love you! (Your wife won't read this, will she?  :-X)
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: johanneshoeller on December 21, 2007, 03:56:19 PM
Is this the same Petrochosmea?
Hans ? ???
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lvandelft on December 21, 2007, 06:44:59 PM
Today was a very unpleasant day outside here in Holland. Very cold and grey, though the children were already skating on some canals after a few nights frost at -5 C.
But nature was beautiful!
I want to show you a tree which I planted almost 30 years ago as being a dwarf Ulmus.
I had no idea what this meant, maybe expecting about 1 m. in height.
Now it has a beautiful stature and measures about 4 x 4 m.
Luit van Delft
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: mark smyth on December 21, 2007, 06:51:59 PM
very nice tree

Duck egg blue - well my camera at the time refused to see the colour my eyes saw
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: mark smyth on December 21, 2007, 06:53:57 PM
I should have looked harder to way back in June 2003
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Tim Murphy on December 21, 2007, 09:34:22 PM
Helleborus vesicarius is looking good at the moment; it will be flowering here in the not too distant future. The third photo shows a young plant of vesicarius outside. It will be a while before this one flowers :-)
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 22, 2007, 10:28:48 AM
Same type of weather we have as Luit showed a bit earlier. Cold - foggy but some sunny spells in between resulted in some very beautiful artwork from nature !

Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: shelagh on December 22, 2007, 02:34:17 PM
Petrocosmea or Petrochosmea? Yes Johannes I think they are the same but over here all the ones I have seen for sale or on the Show bench have been minus the H, sorry I can't explain it.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: mark smyth on December 24, 2007, 12:37:25 AM
look what I discovered in the green house today.

In the garden in full flower and out of season Daphne 'Jacqueline Postill' and also out of season Lonicera purpusii

Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 24, 2007, 09:50:23 AM
Great shots Mark - but we do seem to live in different worlds - have a look at my yesterday's posting - no question of anything blooming out here !
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: ChrisB on December 24, 2007, 10:23:27 AM
Your greenhouse must smell wonderful, Mark.  Why do you keep her there instead of in the garden?
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: mark smyth on December 24, 2007, 10:44:41 AM
well ... the green house only refers to the Tecophelia. I'll re word the post
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 25, 2007, 07:49:27 AM
Luit, your tree is superb. I imported this in 1981, from Hillier's, when I was in the UK and the young man who made up my order told me it would grow to about 50cms in height. I had to leave it in my previous garden 10 years ago because it was as large as yours and still growing. I took cuttings though and I'll keep one of these hard-pruned to see what happens. It's a lovely variety.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Anthony Darby on December 25, 2007, 09:07:21 AM
Surely your greenhouse is too warm if your Techophilia is flowering now, Mark?
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: mark smyth on December 25, 2007, 10:59:02 AM
Anthony they werent on the heated bench. The were very dry and got their first water once the leaves came up. The sun only hits the green house first thing these days and again in the last minutes before sunset
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lvandelft on December 25, 2007, 12:05:45 PM
Lesley, I bought mine on advice from a gardener, who is a good friend of Roy Lancaster who ?? introduced it. I think Roy was in his younger days a little over-enthousiastic, but at the time I bought it, the plant was maybe known for about 15 years. After ‘googling ‘a little, it seems my tree belongs to the older specimen in Europe. :) :)
Luit
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Maggi Young on December 26, 2007, 03:21:06 PM
 note about a new feature in the main site, the third in cliff Booker's series an=bout the Dolomites.... mostly a photo essay..... don't miss it.... http://www.srgc.org.uk/monthfeature/dec2007/content.html


 and other installments to come....  ;D
Cheers Cliff, a great Christmas gift to us all 8)
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: John Forrest on December 26, 2007, 05:05:39 PM
I just brought this lovely Oxalis versicolor into the house to open its flowers. They stay tight shut in the alpine house. It's a lovely thing, which I got from Tony G. a few years ago and wouldn't be without.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: mark smyth on December 26, 2007, 06:02:11 PM
bloomin' lovely John
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: ChrisB on December 26, 2007, 06:53:53 PM
they look like candy cane.  Wonderful!
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 26, 2007, 07:33:55 PM
Lovely pictures John. The form we have here has a finer edge I think. I love this rich, solid red.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: David Nicholson on December 27, 2007, 05:14:45 PM
Spring is on the way! Saw a clump of Daffs flowering on a grass verge in a near-by village but didn't have my camera with me. Will try to get back and take a picture in the next few days.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: ChrisB on December 28, 2007, 08:32:29 PM
omg David, did you really?  No sign of noses here yet.  But I have noses of snowdrops and leucojums now.  Been so cold here though.
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Paddy Tobin on December 29, 2007, 05:57:54 PM
The first daffodils are in flowers here and some of them graced the table on Christmas Day. This was Narcissus 'Jenny', a nice pale yellow bloom.

Paddy
Title: Re: Flowers and Foliage now - December 07
Post by: Rob on December 31, 2007, 03:59:54 PM
I've just got time to show this hellebore hybrid, taken in dull light today. It's always the first to flower, even if it isn't as pretty as some of the later ones.
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