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Title: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: pehe on March 25, 2013, 08:16:04 AM
Tecophilaea cyananocrocus cyanocrocus seedlings.

Poul
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 25, 2013, 11:03:38 PM
Nice selection, Poul.
Will you be crossing them?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Ezeiza on March 26, 2013, 12:57:24 AM
T. cyanocrocus
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: pehe on March 26, 2013, 07:38:26 AM
Nice selection, Poul.
Will you be crossing them?
cheers
fermi

I like the variation too - and yes I have been out with my paint brush.

Poul
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: pehe on March 26, 2013, 07:43:44 AM
T. cyanocrocus

Yes of course!
Thank you for the correction. I have been spelling from memory and I am not that good in spelling Latin names, not to mention saying them....

Poul
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Jean-Patrick AGIER on April 16, 2013, 10:07:15 PM
IPHEION bulbs have surprisingly survived the 2011 / 2012 "polar" winter.
Here's IPHEION "Alberto Castillo"
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on April 17, 2013, 08:49:12 PM
Nice plants all.

Here's a few of mine

I had to do a colour adjust on the violacea and it's still not quite right.

oh - it looks as if I am going to have to do these one by one - I'm having problems with file sizes :(
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Jean-Patrick AGIER on April 17, 2013, 08:52:33 PM
Here's IPHEION " Rolf Fiedler
JP
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on April 18, 2013, 06:27:51 PM
ok, managed to sort out my file sizes, two more Tecophilaea

Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on April 18, 2013, 06:47:27 PM
Very nice Tecos...... 8)
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on April 18, 2013, 07:30:10 PM
thanks. I get seed if I let them - but I've never been able to raise anything from them which is a bit of a puzzle. Poul, do you have any wisdom to pass on?
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on April 18, 2013, 08:26:45 PM
Ian 'tickles' his Tecos- we have few pollinators around at flowering time. He uses a very narrow brush because the tubes are quite constricted -  sows the resultant seed deep in the pot  around August  time and gets good germination. Strange that you're not doing well with yours.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Jean-Patrick AGIER on April 19, 2013, 09:25:19 PM
Hi Mark,
Such magnificent TECOPHILEAS... my "poor" pics of IPHEION really can't stand the comparison!
IPHEION "Jessie"
IPHEION " Froyle Mill"
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: pehe on April 20, 2013, 05:26:24 AM
thanks. I get seed if I let them - but I've never been able to raise anything from them which is a bit of a puzzle. Poul, do you have any wisdom to pass on?

Mark, I do exactly as Maggi writes, maybe sowing them a little earlier. My experience is that they germinates best when sown fresh. The ones I have got from the seed exchange in January had a very poor germination rate.
Another thing I have learnt is that it is advantageous to let them grow as long as possible by keeping them rather cold during spring. Too much heat send them in (too) early dormancy.

By the way - very nice pots you have. You have obvious no problems growing the adult ones!

Poul
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: bulborum on April 20, 2013, 03:04:16 PM
Here Bomarea caldasii flowers for the first time
previous years the flower-buds died because of the frost
they where to high in the poly-tunnel

Roland
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Alan_b on April 20, 2013, 08:33:29 PM
Pardon my ignorance but are Ipheions supposed to be tender or difficult?  They grow like weeds for me and in the most inhospitable spot, a narrow strip of poor soil, south facing and in front of a hedge so particularly dry.  I dig up tiny bulbs whenever I try to weed the area, so they must be setting seed readily.   
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: johnw on April 20, 2013, 10:49:45 PM
Pardon my ignorance but are Ipheions supposed to be tender or difficult?  They grow like weeds for me and in the most inhospitable spot, a narrow strip of poor soil, south facing and in front of a hedge so particularly dry.  I dig up tiny bulbs whenever I try to weed the area, so they must be setting seed readily.

Alan

Tender.  Wisley Blue hangs on but isn't rampant by any means, Rolf Fiedler is iffy & barely survives, Alberto Castillo seems hardy enough but we haven't tested it long enough to deem it rock-hardy, the rest are hopeless.

johnw
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on April 20, 2013, 11:07:25 PM
Depends on where you are. I generally think of Wisley Blue as being hardy around here. Rolf Fielder is supposed to be more tender but then is another species. Some of the other selections of uniflorum seem to be less hardy?
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Alan_b on April 20, 2013, 11:26:58 PM
I don't think you can see this in the photo I posted but 'Alberto Castillo' on the near right and 'Rolf Fielder' is just round the corner in the distance.  These don't perhaps do as well as the unnamed variety that forms the bulk of the display but they don't do at all badly.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Ezeiza on April 25, 2013, 02:27:32 AM
Alberto Castillo' has been reported to survive -24 C impervious.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: pehe on April 25, 2013, 01:55:34 PM
Rolf Fielder grows happily in my garden in spite of our wet and cold winters. Minus 20oC is not uncommon. This winter has been very rough with a combination of strong wind, no snow and freezing temperatures for many weeks. But the leaves are almost unaffected.

Poul
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Jean-Patrick AGIER on April 27, 2013, 09:53:10 PM
IPHEION uniflorum in a big container
JP
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Rogan on May 13, 2013, 08:53:35 AM
I was repotting a batch of Leucocoryne ixioides seedlings recently when I was nearly bowled over by the strong onion smell coming from the underground parts; I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by the odour as it is classified in the same family as Allium spp. - I just hadn't noticed it before.   :P
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on May 13, 2013, 10:30:10 AM
I just wish I could get my Leucoryne to flower. I've bought small bulbs, I've raised them from seed and so far after several years no flowers. :(
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ArnoldT on May 22, 2013, 03:55:54 PM
Not sure about the ID on this one.

Stenomesson miniatum
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on May 22, 2013, 04:50:23 PM
I see where your query comes from, Arnold - one might expect the Stenomesson to have a longer tube and more bulging trumpet, for instance?

Fine flower, whatever..... :)
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Hans J on May 22, 2013, 07:57:34 PM
here are more pics of Stenomesson miniatum :

Hans
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: angie on May 22, 2013, 09:26:52 PM
Very nice Hans  8)

Where have you been, busy in the garden I expect  ;D

Angie  :)
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Hans J on May 23, 2013, 07:33:53 AM
Very nice Hans  8)

Where have you been, busy in the garden I expect  ;D

Angie  :)

Hi Angie ,

 :o :o :o ...sorry no gardening in this ugly weather ...only rain + cold ...brrrr

Hans
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Hans J on May 28, 2013, 01:34:39 PM
Brodiea ixioides ( Triteleia )
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: angie on May 28, 2013, 01:47:30 PM
More sunny flowers Hans, that is a very pretty picture  8)

Angie  :)
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Hans J on May 28, 2013, 03:01:23 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on May 28, 2013, 03:17:29 PM
Brodiea ixioides ( Triteleia )

Very nice Hans, and well grown too.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Hans J on May 28, 2013, 03:19:05 PM
Thank you David  :D
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: jshields on June 08, 2013, 11:25:38 PM
I have a good crop of seeds of Hippeastrum harrisonii from my greenhouse. I want to trade for seeds of other unusual species of Hippeastrum or other unusual species of amaryllid from South America or Africa.  Anyone interested? (Note: I do not sell! The business is closed forever.) No hybrids, please.

H. harrisonii grows naturally is wet areas, such as along side rivers.  I grow my bulbs in pots that stand in a tray of water most of the time.  Even so, they find the dry air in the greenhouse less than ideal.

Jim
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Ezeiza on June 08, 2013, 11:54:48 PM
Triteleia ixioides is a Californian corm, not belonging in this topic.

H. harrisoni is a rare plant growing on marshy ground in full sun in the wild, subtropical conditions, summer dormant.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Hans J on June 10, 2013, 04:07:09 PM
Triteleia ixioides is a Californian corm, not belonging in this topic.

Mea culpa , mea culpa , mea maxima culpa  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ArnoldT on July 06, 2013, 01:33:18 AM
Habranthus brachyandrus "Cherry Pink"
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: bulborum on July 11, 2013, 06:13:22 PM
Nice one Arnold :)
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Menai on July 17, 2013, 11:16:54 PM
Rhodophiala montana from Jim Archibald - sown 2006. If I get a better photo later I will post it.

Erle from sunny Anglesey!
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 18, 2013, 03:52:37 AM
Rhodophiala montana from Jim Archibald - sown 2006. If I get a better photo later I will post it.

Erle from sunny Anglesey!
hi Erle,
a better pic would be good.
At present it looks a lot like our old "friend" Habranthus tubispathus - unless that's what R. montana is supposed to look like - I've found R. araucana from the Seedexes mostly are this.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on July 18, 2013, 08:40:30 AM
When should I start watering Rhodophiala bulbs, I really can't get the hang of them.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on July 18, 2013, 12:37:12 PM
I have a weakness for South African plants but I want to start explore South American ones especially bulbs - suggestions for good plants to start with.  I have limited overwintering space

Thanks

Helen
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 18, 2013, 03:53:41 PM
You could try these,not really South American but from Mexico. you can cheat a little ;) they are easy.

Zephyranthes Primulina
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: jshields on July 18, 2013, 04:47:14 PM
You could try these,not really South American but from Mexico. you can cheat a little ;) they are easy.

Zephyranthes Primulina

Michael is right.  South American plants, in the strict sense, are generally hard to come by, except for Ismene 'Festalis'.  I would suggest what Michael suggests -- start with Mexican versions until you have learned how to handle the South American forms, and have developed sources for the South American species.  Besides rain lilies, there are Hippeastrum, Phaedranassa, other species of Ismene, Rhodophiala, Eucharis, and don't forget Griffinia and Worsleya.  There are specialist groups for some of these, topics here in SRGC Forum as well as on Facebook and on Yahoo Groups.  The experts are not only your best source for information, they may be your only sources for some of the species.

Jim
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: johnw on July 18, 2013, 06:36:53 PM
hi Erle,
a better pic would be good.
At present it looks a lot like our old "friend" Habranthus tubispathus - unless that's what R. montana is supposed to look like - I've found R. araucana from the Seedexes mostly are this.
cheers fermi

Fermi / Menai

Indeed it does look like Habranthus, I;d bet money on it.  I have had to relabel a half dozen SRGC Rhodophiala spp. from the SRGC seedex over the past few years - they're all H. tubispathus. 

David  - My Rhodophialas don't read the books, every week in the summertime I give the dormant ones a splash.  I'll email you my notes.

johnw
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on July 19, 2013, 07:22:42 PM
Michael is right.  South American plants, in the strict sense, are generally hard to come by, except for Ismene 'Festalis'.  I would suggest what Michael suggests -- start with Mexican versions until you have learned how to handle the South American forms, and have developed sources for the South American species.  Besides rain lilies, there are Hippeastrum, Phaedranassa, other species of Ismene, Rhodophiala, Eucharis, and don't forget Griffinia and Worsleya.  There are specialist groups for some of these, topics here in SRGC Forum as well as on Facebook and on Yahoo Groups.  The experts are not only your best source for information, they may be your only sources for some of the species.

Jim

Thanks Jim and Michael
I will see what I can do to source some of those.  I'm on facebook but cant find any groups do you know what they call themselves?
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 19, 2013, 07:52:42 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/503594579711387/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/groups/503594579711387/?fref=ts)
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: jshields on July 19, 2013, 07:53:39 PM
Helen, you should probably join the Pacific Bulb Society at:  http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ (http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/)
and join its on-line list at  <mailto:pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>  so you can get the distributions from the PBS BX (bulb and seed exchange).  They often have South American as well as Mexican seeds and bulbs.

On Facebook, you should look at groups like  Zephyranthes and Habranthus at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/zephyranthes.habranthus/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/zephyranthes.habranthus/) and
Planet Bulb Plant at https://www.facebook.com/groups/planetbulb/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/planetbulb/)

Jim
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on July 19, 2013, 07:54:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/503594579711387/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/groups/503594579711387/?fref=ts)
Thanks I will follow and learn
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on July 19, 2013, 07:59:12 PM
Helen, you should probably join the Pacific Bulb Society at:  http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ (http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/)
and join its on-line list at  <mailto:pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>  so you can get the distributions from the PBS BX (bulb and seed exchange).  They often have South American as well as Mexican seeds and bulbs.

On Facebook, you should look at groups like  Zephyranthes and Habranthus at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/zephyranthes.habranthus/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/zephyranthes.habranthus/) and
Planet Bulb Plant at https://www.facebook.com/groups/planetbulb/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/planetbulb/)

Jim
Hi Jim
I think I looked at that a while ago so will revisit it.
Thanks for the advice - I do love the challenge of something slightly different but dont want to over stretch myself too early
Helen
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: johnw on July 20, 2013, 08:14:06 PM
A bouquet of 3-label Rhodophiala anyone?
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on July 20, 2013, 08:38:10 PM
very nice. I particularly like the peach one. I have R. montana (I think) but for some reason it's not flowered this year.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Ezeiza on July 20, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
Excellent results! The one with the peachy tips is R. araucana most probably. It comes from Argentina.

To Helen. I would suggest start with those bulbs most suited to your conditions. South America is a huge continent with many types of habitats and climates. South American bulbs are rarely seen in cultivation, mostly because they are not permanent when their precise requirements (in most cases) are not met.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Menai on July 22, 2013, 10:54:17 PM
hi Erle,
a better pic would be good.
At present it looks a lot like our old "friend" Habranthus tubispathus - unless that's what R. montana is supposed to look like - I've found R. araucana from the Seedexes mostly are this.
cheers
fermi
Thank you fermi for the correction. A bit of a disappointment, I thought JA was a reliable source. I apologise for late acknowledgement but I have been away and therefore missed opportunity to take better photo. It looks as if it has set seed. Presumably being an amaryllid I should sow this as soon as possible.

Erle

Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on August 01, 2013, 04:05:24 PM
Two from the greenhouse today:-

Zephyranthes primulina from seed kindly sent by Alberto Costillo and sown May 2009.

Habranthus tubispathus from seed kindly sent by Paul Tyreman and sown May 2008

Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on August 04, 2013, 03:39:45 PM
Not sure if this in the right place as it's more a tuber than a bulb, but this is one of my Alstroemeria hookerii. Jim and Jenny Archibald made a major Alstroemeria collection back in the 90s(?) and I got a number of hookerii varieties from them. Apart from the usual orange/ pink form there was one that was alot more pink, sort of old rose colour. It seems that one has seeded over the years and I'm now wondering if any of the "usual" kind are left.

The problem with them, apart from they are alot taller under glass is that they always push their tubers through the drainage holes of their pots and these then get ripped off if you need to move the pots, sometimes killing the plant. If I had a few more and more space for their current plunge mates I'd proably dispense with the plunge altogether and just stand the pots on slats.

Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: wooden shoe on August 06, 2013, 09:59:16 PM
Alstroemeria aurea. I do grow them outside next to an East facing wall. They don't do well in the open garden where they lack protection but are expanding vigourously on this location. These are sown from seed (outside too) and show some colour variation.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on August 22, 2013, 04:49:27 PM
Habranthus martinezii

Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ccuadrai on August 29, 2013, 09:19:25 PM
Hello everyone!

I would like to share some pictures about Chilean native genus named Leucocoryne (Glory of the Sun). The blooming starts in the greenhouse right now. I'm in South hemisphere ("upside down") and spring season is coming.

Best regards,

Carlos
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on August 29, 2013, 09:27:54 PM
Hi Carlos,  great to see your first post.
From these flowers your Spring is going to be a good one!
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on August 29, 2013, 11:41:13 PM
Carlos, lovely plants! I have several varieties either bought as bulbs or from seed but no flowers so far. Must be doing something wrong. Any tips?
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Ezeiza on August 30, 2013, 12:10:47 AM
Chilean bulbs are comparatively difficult to grow. Few of them have survived in cultivation when hundreds of South African species fare quite well.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 30, 2013, 01:08:57 AM
Carlos,
thanks for posting these pics! I'd not even heard of the first two!
Looking forward to more from your garden,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ccuadrai on August 30, 2013, 02:39:48 AM
Carlos, lovely plants! I have several varieties either bought as bulbs or from seed but no flowers so far. Must be doing something wrong. Any tips?

Hi Mark! Nice to hear that you grow Leucocoryne.
My experience so far is ...
* Leucocoryne plants "love" to grow at 15 to 10 Celsius degree (max 20, min 5 Celsius degree). In 120 days from planting you get flowers.
* Leucocoryne dry bulb "like to sleep" (dormancy) at 20 to 25 Celsius degree, at least, for 5 months. You must respect the storage temperature to break dormancy and allow initiation of flowers buds.
Do you grow and storage Leucocoryne at optimal temperature?
Best regards,
Carlos
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ccuadrai on August 30, 2013, 03:42:23 AM
Carlos,
thanks for posting these pics! I'd not even heard of the first two!
Looking forward to more from your garden,
cheers
fermi

Hi Fermi!
Please to share Leucocoryne pics.
There are many species of Leucocoryne ... from 12 (http://www.chlorischile.cl/Monocotiledoneas/leucocoryne.htm (http://www.chlorischile.cl/Monocotiledoneas/leucocoryne.htm)) to more than 45 (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/search?q=Leucocoryne (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/search?q=Leucocoryne)). It's a real nightmare for botanists ...  :) :)  :)
BR,
Carlos
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Rogan on August 30, 2013, 06:25:16 AM
Welcome and nice pictures Carlos!

I also try to grow Leucocoryne with limited success, I will follow your advice in future and see if I fare any better.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mini bulb lover on August 30, 2013, 08:24:40 AM
Members looking for South American bulb & other seeds could try Chile Flora. I've purchased from them and I've had a pretty good germination rate. They have all seed on sale (18% discount) until 2 Sept 2013. They have a good selection of Rhodophiala. 

www.chileflora.com (http://www.chileflora.com) - click on the seeds shop.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: brianw on August 30, 2013, 11:37:55 PM
Rhodophiala bifida is now in flower here. A week ago just buds at ground level, a week later 3 flower stems in full flower, and more buds showing. Thinking of trying them in the garden (in the UK). Any advice? In pots in the alpine house they have moisture at the roots all year and the leaves get frosted so can't be too difficult here.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on August 31, 2013, 12:47:00 PM
Hi Mark! Nice to hear that you grow Leucocoryne.
My experience so far is ...
* Leucocoryne plants "love" to grow at 15 to 10 Celsius degree (max 20, min 5 Celsius degree). In 120 days from planting you get flowers.
* Leucocoryne dry bulb "like to sleep" (dormancy) at 20 to 25 Celsius degree, at least, for 5 months. You must respect the storage temperature to break dormancy and allow initiation of flowers buds.
Do you grow and storage Leucocoryne at optimal temperature?
Best regards,
Carlos

It may be they are not warm enough here - but it would be close. Last winter was cold but this summer unlike last summer has been consitently warm. Seeing as these are seeds from I assume UK plants I guess someone is suceeding here!
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Lvandelft on August 31, 2013, 10:51:43 PM
Hi Carlos, I'm glad to see you've made it up here and like I told you I'm not the only one  ;).
Leucocoryne is really beautiful and now we also see some more! The Leucocoryne appendiculata is really beautiful  :D
Cannot await  seeing more pics.
Just one question, as Leucocoryne is a plant growing and flowering in nature in Chile, why do you grow them in a glasshouse?
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ccuadrai on September 01, 2013, 05:57:51 AM
It may be they are not warm enough here - but it would be close. Last winter was cold but this summer unlike last summer has been consitently warm. Seeing as these are seeds from I assume UK plants I guess someone is suceeding here!

Have a look this link ... http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2010Apr261272292248Log_8_of_2010.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2010Apr261272292248Log_8_of_2010.pdf)    There are nice Leucocoryne pictures and advice how to grow and success.

BR,
Carlos
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ccuadrai on September 01, 2013, 06:39:09 AM
Hi Carlos, I'm glad to see you've made it up here and like I told you I'm not the only one  ;).
Leucocoryne is really beautiful and now we also see some more! The Leucocoryne appendiculata is really beautiful  :D
Cannot await  seeing more pics.
Just one question, as Leucocoryne is a plant growing and flowering in nature in Chile, why do you grow them in a glasshouse?

Hi Luit!

It's not a glasshouse like your glasshouse in northern Europe ... it's a wooden structure, with polyethylene film and shade netting (only roof) to avoid rain and too much solar radiation. No heating system is used.

BR,
Carlos
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on September 01, 2013, 10:57:10 AM
thanks Carlos. I think I am probably keeping them too moist in the summer and not giving them a deep enough pot. I've basically been treating them as I do my Tecophilaeas.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on September 01, 2013, 12:05:22 PM
Quote
Quote from: ccuadrai on Today at 05:57:51 AM

    Have a look this link ... http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2010Apr261272292248Log_8_of_2010.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2010Apr261272292248Log_8_of_2010.pdf)    There are nice Leucocoryne pictures and advice how to grow and success.

    BR,
    Carlos



Hi Carlos,
 I have edited your post to show the original link  to Paul's Wisley log - a project that was initiated by the SRGC.   :)

All Wisley Logs accessible from here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=wisley (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=wisley)  8)
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ccuadrai on September 01, 2013, 06:35:47 PM
Great ! Thank you.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: angie on September 12, 2013, 07:03:47 PM
Rhodophiala bifida flowering in the greenhouse today.

Angie  :)

Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on September 12, 2013, 07:17:08 PM
Cracking plant Angie.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: johnw on September 12, 2013, 10:05:13 PM
Well done Angie - smashing.  Did you grow it from SRGC seed?  Still waiting for mine to flower one day.

johnw
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: angie on September 12, 2013, 10:21:02 PM
Well done Angie - smashing.  Did you grow it from SRGC seed?  Still waiting for mine to flower some day.

johnw

No, I am not very good with seeds. Do you want a bulb ?

Angie  :)
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: johnw on September 13, 2013, 12:12:47 AM
No, I am not very good with seeds. Do you want a bulb ?Angie  :)

No but thanks. Mine are coming along but slowly.  Hopw large is the bulb of the flowering one?

Best

joihnw
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: angie on September 13, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
No but thanks. Mine are coming along but slowly.  Hopw large is the bulb of the flowering one?

Best

joihnw

John not big at all. I have managed to get two pots now so my thinking is share now. Its good to share and if I lose mine I can always ask for a wee bulb back  ;D. Well thats my thinking anyway.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 02, 2013, 07:16:44 AM
This is just starting to flower now - I think I got a bloom last year as well,
It's from seed from NARGS Seedex 2006 as Leucocoryne vittata, but is probably a hybrid,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on October 02, 2013, 11:15:14 PM
very, very nice
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 03, 2013, 07:43:56 AM
Rhodophiala bakeri is flowering here ......
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Yann on October 03, 2013, 09:30:35 PM
sweet color Kris
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Yann on October 03, 2013, 09:37:07 PM
Leucocoryne are reputed to be difficult to germinate. I never had success.

is there a temperature regime to apply?
I'll try next batch with GA3 but i'm not convinced it'll help in the germination process.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 04, 2013, 02:39:51 AM
Leucocoryne are reputed to be difficult to germinate. I never had success.

is there a temperature regime to apply?
I'll try next batch with GA3 but i'm not convinced it'll help in the germination process.
Hi Yann,
I can only tell you what I did - which didn't involve anything too strenuous!
I sowed the seeds in autumn on top of a freely draining potting mix and covered it with coarse grit; the pot would've been left outside through the winter but we only get mild frosts (down to -7oC at most); the seeds germinated and were grown on and the first flower was in 2009.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Yann on October 04, 2013, 08:33:15 PM
Hi Fermi i guess my seeds were not fresh. i gonna try a new sowing in few weeks with fresh ones.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on October 05, 2013, 07:55:12 PM
I've got them to germinate from AGS seed quite easily - however as none have flowered I can't guarentee they actually are Leucocoryne  ;D
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 09, 2013, 11:13:20 PM
I've got them to germinate from AGS seed quite easily - however as none have flowered I can't guarentee they actually are Leucocoryne  ;D
I know what you mean, Mark! One lot of Leucocoryne ixioides bloomed in their second year....as Triteleia ixioides! Bl**dy Transmutium at it again! ;D
A second plant in that pot of leucocoryne seedlings has flowered and I think it shows influence of L.purpurea,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on October 09, 2013, 11:18:45 PM
I'm chuffed that you remember Transmutium.

You know, I think those Nobel Peace Prize people have forgotten me again. I must give them another call. Funny thing is, whenever I ring I'm told they are all out at Ikea buying new office furniture.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 09, 2013, 11:35:59 PM
I'm chuffed that you remember Transmutium.

You know, I think those Nobel Peace Prize people have forgotten me again. I must give them another call. Funny thing is, whenever I ring I'm told they are all out at Ikea buying new office furniture.
Considering Peter Higgs wrote his original paper... was it 50 years ago?...and he got the prize this year, there's still time for recogition of your pioneering work!
cheers
fermi
PS for those who don't know what we're rabbitting on about have a look at Mark's website and click on "articles"!
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on October 10, 2013, 10:41:10 AM
I was just thinking that a note about that would be a good idea, fermi!

Mark's article is here : http://markgriffiths.org/inspiringplants/articles/transmutium.pdf (http://markgriffiths.org/inspiringplants/articles/transmutium.pdf)   and was also  published in the AGS bulletin for June 1995. 
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on October 10, 2013, 05:56:15 PM
I'd forgotten it was still on my website. Probably written 19-20yrs ago (it spent alot of time with the AGS before publication). 
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 11, 2013, 09:03:21 PM
Utterly brilliant Mark !  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on October 11, 2013, 11:36:58 PM
thanks Luc :)
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on October 12, 2013, 09:41:50 AM
I like it,  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mike Ireland on October 12, 2013, 11:46:33 AM
Mark that brought a wide smile to my face, so much so that my wife wanted to know if I was "smirking" at her.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 14, 2013, 07:27:25 AM
This wasn't grown from seed so I can't vouch for any effect by Transmutium!
Leucocoryne purpurea or a hybrid between it and something with pointer petals!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on October 22, 2013, 07:52:16 PM
absolutely lovely, Fermi.

here's an old favourite, Oxalis lobata or whatever it's called now.



Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Melvyn Jope on October 25, 2013, 07:04:40 PM
Habranthus brachyandrus, a gift from the late Geoffrey Herklots.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ArnoldT on October 27, 2013, 09:50:07 PM
Got this one from a fiend who was unsuccessful in getting it to flower.

Any ideas.

Thinking Phaedranassa of some sort
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: jshields on October 27, 2013, 10:05:33 PM
Well, there are only 9 species of Phaedranassa listed, so that should cut the work down:

brevifolia
carmiolii
cinerea
dubia
glauciflora
lehmannii
schizantha plus ssp. ignea
tunguraguae
viridiflora

It does not look like my cinerea.  Can we see pictures of the leaves?

Jim
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Ezeiza on October 27, 2013, 10:48:13 PM
It's a species of Stenomesson proper. Superb.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ArnoldT on October 27, 2013, 11:37:43 PM
I was given a large box of various S. American  bulbs. I've potted them up and most grew very well.  This one is  flowering without leaves.  Although there are leaves in the pot but I think not from this one.

Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ArnoldT on October 27, 2013, 11:39:32 PM
Looks like this one:

http://www.bulbsociety.org/GALLERY_OF_THE_WORLDS_BULBS/GRAPHICS/Stenomesson/Stenomesson_aurantiacum/Stenoaurantiacum.html (http://www.bulbsociety.org/GALLERY_OF_THE_WORLDS_BULBS/GRAPHICS/Stenomesson/Stenomesson_aurantiacum/Stenoaurantiacum.html)
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: jshields on October 27, 2013, 11:47:50 PM
Looks like this one:

http://www.bulbsociety.org/GALLERY_OF_THE_WORLDS_BULBS/GRAPHICS/Stenomesson/Stenomesson_aurantiacum/Stenoaurantiacum.html (http://www.bulbsociety.org/GALLERY_OF_THE_WORLDS_BULBS/GRAPHICS/Stenomesson/Stenomesson_aurantiacum/Stenoaurantiacum.html)

To me, Dennis's flowers look like yours but Alan's don't.  Maybe you should go with Stenomesson cf. aurantiacum for now.  I'd still appreciate seeing the leaves when they appear.

My Phaedranassa (cinerea, dubia, tunguraguae, viridiflora) are all leafing out vigorously now.  Not all of them have bloomed.

Jim
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ArnoldT on October 29, 2013, 11:27:49 PM
Jim:

I'm thinking Stenomesson aurantiacum as well.

Most of the others have a green edge to the petals.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: jshields on October 30, 2013, 02:17:53 PM
I'm pretty Stenomesson-naive.  Have your flowers opened up any more?  I'm curious about the different flower forms that seem to be labelled aurantiacum -- i.e., closed vs. flared.

Jim
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ArnoldT on October 31, 2013, 01:50:49 AM
Jim:

I checked a little bit ago and the flowers haven't opened any more than the image I sent.  It may be the temperature or low light levels here.

Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 11, 2013, 07:20:00 AM
I got seeds of Conanthera trimaculata in 2008 but was warned that as it was open pollinated it could've crossed with C. campanulata.
Last week when the first flower opened the donor happened to be in the country on his way to some islands east of us and confirmed that what I had was mostly C. campanulata with a little C. trimaculata! There is a bit of variation between the seedlings now and this is one of the clearer ones - maybe a bit more trimaculata than the first ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: ArnoldT on November 11, 2013, 11:29:37 AM
Jim:

As a follow up the flowers never fully opened or displayed any flaring.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on November 11, 2013, 11:50:23 AM
I got seeds of Conanthera trimaculata in 2008 but was warned that as it was open pollinated it could've crossed with C. campanulata.
Last week when the first flower opened the donor happened to be in the country on his way to some islands east of us and confirmed that what I had was mostly C. campanulata with a little C. trimaculata! There is a bit of variation between the seedlings now and this is one of the clearer ones - maybe a bit more trimaculata than the first ;D
cheers
fermi
What a charming flower. Is the scape around 12inches? /30cms?
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 14, 2013, 04:33:55 AM
What a charming flower. Is the scape around 12inches? /30cms?
Hi Maggi,
sorry for the delay in replying (I was waiting for someone to ask about the donor and the "islands" ;D );
The flower stems vary between 6"/15 cm and 14"/35cm. There's a bit of variation in the pattern of the flowers as well.

We got this one years ago as Urceolina peruviana but it's now Stenomesson miniatum

cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on November 14, 2013, 10:57:50 AM
No hurry needed, fermi!  It's pretty variable, then -  which is always good to know - no need to get too hung up on "absolutes" !
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on November 14, 2013, 05:49:52 PM
catching up a little late, lovely plant Fermi, would those islands be NZ?
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 14, 2013, 10:26:57 PM
Did you guess or go to "Google earth"? ;D
Of course, you're right, Mark.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on November 15, 2013, 07:46:22 PM
No, I remember it as one of the pink bits of the map of the world from when I was at school  ;D
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Ezeiza on November 16, 2013, 12:47:54 AM
Fermi and Arnold, most  of the "urceolina" stock in the trade is heavily virused. The pattern is the obvious mosaic well known.
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 21, 2013, 09:04:17 AM
I visited a friend in Kyneton yesterday and she had this little cutie in flower by her garden gate,
Herbertia lahue,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on November 21, 2013, 11:23:22 PM
nice, lovely colour
Title: Re: Bulbs from South America 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 27, 2013, 01:12:07 PM
Alstroemeria hookeri in the rock garden growing through an artemesia mat
Conanthera campanulata
cheers
fermi
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