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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Oakwood on March 18, 2013, 08:55:51 PM
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It was last week our trip in those areas in quest of warmth, spring and new garden inspiration ::) 8)
Core Participants: Olga Bondareva (Moscow), Sveta Didenko, Yura Nessin and me (Kiev)
CRIMEA
Galanthus plicatus inspirations
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CRIMEA
Galanthus plicatus, its biotope
Cyclamen coum
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CRIMEA
Galanthus plicatus inspirations
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CRIMEA
some landscapes, Scilla bifolia (huge form), last year Paeonia tenuifolia and Crocus tauricus
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CRIMEA
Galanthus plicatus inspirations
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CRIMEA
some landscapes and Pulsatilla halleri ssp. taurica
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CRIMEA
Galanthus plicatus inspirations
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CRIMEA
Galanthus plicatus inspirations
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CRIMEA
Galanthus plicatus inspirations
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BESSARABIA
Galanthus graecus and its biotope
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BESSARABIA
some landscapes and Crocus reticulatus, Adonis wolgensis, Gymnospermium odessanum
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BESSARABIA
Galanthus graecus inspirations
in the last pic some fungus (possibly Botrytis galanthina) gormandizes a snowdrop :'(
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BESSARABIA
Galanthus graecus inspirations and Scilla bifolia albino form
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BESSARABIA
Galanthus graecus inspirations such as with olive outer petal touch and never seen before imho with curly outer petals and highly reflexed inner segments.
So, that's all, folks! Please, enjoy and be happy! Sweet dreams! :-*
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Dima, with such treasures in the OakWoods it is no wonder that you chose that name!
The curly "popcorn" types are very strange- is there pollution?
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:o :o :oWOW :o :o :o
Off to book my ticket to the Crimea.What diversity!!!
Sveta is amazing,I hope you have retained many samples?(for research purposes of coarse ;D ;D)
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Dima, with such treasures in the OakWoods it is no wonder that you chose that name!
The curly "popcorn" types are very strange- is there pollution?
Maggi, I'm not sure it's caused by pollution - it's rather such type of mutation in those investigated population. The mass of such plants in one pic is indeed a collection of different plants with such petals from the whole population put by me at one site for demonstration ;D
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Hello Dimitri,
Spring at the Krim, that looks fine.
The diversity of the flowers is fantastic.
Thank you for sharing the fotos.
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Steve, I think our group with Ru well explored all crimean corners already ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Hagen - not at all, I rather like travelling in mountains in spring and fall. Yes, plicatus diversity is really impressive! tired of photographing them all....... :-X
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wow sveta and curly :o :o
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Sveta
Propeller
Waffles
Chinese Lantern
Green Tips 2
love them all :)
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Dima shown most of our findings. I just can add some views.
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Mr. Zubov. :)
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Thanks to you too, Olga
all our little gems need a habitat and often it is a surprisingly landscape too.
I love these lonely trips together with friends in the wild nature.
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Thank you all for these photos. It's my dream to visit locations like these where snowdrops grow wild, ideally in the company of a botanist with permission to collect samples in case we find something unusual.
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Thanks Olga - very showy pics as usually of our visited habitats :-* :-* :-*
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Thank you all for these photos. It's my dream to visit locations like these where snowdrops grow wild, ideally in the company of a botanist with permission to collect samples in case we find something unusual.
Alan unfortunately no any state official organization can give you a permission. Collecting plants is not allowed at all.
Oakwood 8)
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Alan unfortunately no any state official organization can give you a permission. Collecting plants is not allowed at all.
I think the intention of laws that seek to protect wild plants by making it illegal to collect them is very good. But, in my opinion, it is a pity that collection of very small quantities of plant material by authorised persons is not allowed. Is seed collection permitted?
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Olga, I would ask you to put a pic of our most advanced botanist Sveta making her botanic job with her botanic fingers ;D ;D ;D
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Olga, I would ask you to put a pic of our most advanced botanist Sveta making her botanic job with her botanic fingers
Specially for you. :)
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Many thanks - in such manner our Sveta explored the inner mark infrapopulation variability with further construction of statistical series. Nail design is extremally important in this case!!!
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Ah yes! Now we can see how to distinguish a specialist galanthus botanist 8)
A woman dedicated to her subject, for sure!
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Excellent! Almost - but not quite ;) as good as the snowdrops themselves ;D
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No wonder so many years ago people came home from the Crimea with stories of snowdrops - I'm amazed that the natural variation is so great, just as much as you find in cultivation where you would have thought selection would have broadened it well away from Nature. Is some of this the result of hybridisation where species overlap?
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No wonder so many years ago people came home from the Crimea with stories of snowdrops - I'm amazed that the natural variation is so great, just as much as you find in cultivation where you would have thought selection would have broadened it well away from Nature. Is some of this the result of hybridisation where species overlap?
No, Tim. All these variants were found in different populations of plicatus or graecus in the wild, which never overlapped. There is some 500 km disjunction between both species Crimea and Bessarabia areas. And I suppose there is a strong reproductive isolation between these two species when cultivated.
All normal but polymorphic by segment shapes and mark appearance structure of plicatus flowers reflect just the norms of reaction of an attribute in natural populations. Other pattern we could observe in a case of recessive but not-lethal mutations that we note some regularity in their phenes' distribution in a manner of commitment to a certain population. So, in some more-less isolated plicatus or graecus populations we found only 1-2 types of mutations, e.g. only inverse-outer-segment type or/and green-tips-inner segment type in explored plicatus population, or greenish-outer-petal type in graecus population 1, or curly-segments type in graecus population 2.
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Dmitri and Olga thanks for sharing your trip with us. Some great plants though I'm not sure about some of the snowdrop mutations :-\
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Hello, wonderful snowdrop pictures, we also have some twin headed Gal. plicatus and one with fused head so many different forms as well, some pictures for interest, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Dimitri and Olga,
Many thanks for your wonderful report on your travels. Such wonderful snowdrops and outstanding photography. The nail decoration is perfection.
Paddy
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Hello Olga and Dimitri, many thanks for taking the time to show us your wonderful photographs,makes us feel very envious when you show the locations that you can travel to.
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Dimi and Olga - thank you. 8)
I have been waiting to open your thread until I had time to look at it as I expected it to be good - and I am not disappointed. Wow. ;D The perfect thread with my morning cuppa.
There are so many gems you have managed to take photographs of - I must admit that it is early and I read the name Sveta as Steve! I think the most different to anythying I have seen in cultivation are Sveta and this one of the trym type.
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Good camouflage clothing in one of Olga's pics. ;D
I can imagine all of the young ladies will be sporting snowdrops nails along with their Emma hats at next years snowdrop events! ;)
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Many thanks, guys!! glad you appreciated our journey and our findings! ;D 8)
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It's such a wonderful thing to be taken across the world and see these plants in their native environment.
Thank you.
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Fantastic, Dmitri - and Olga's photographs superb as always.
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Dim, I congratulate on interesting expedition!
Remarkable variation G. plicatus Sveta and G.graecus curls.
You with Svetlana and Yury - excellent botanists - galanthophylles!
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Another week-end in Crimea. End of March, beginning of April.
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A weather became better the next day
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2wDSC_0881.jpg, 2wDSC_0882.jpg - poculiformus, preliminary name - 'Forest Pearl'
4wDSC_0994.jpg - preliminary name 'Spring Brush'
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Ru, excellent snowdrops! Crimean nature is gorgeous :D
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Ru, I always thought Krim is only a small peninsula ;).
No, no. Krim is a big snowdrop world with best scenes for fine pics.
I enjoy your fotos.
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Different forms and texture of petals very interesting me.
1 - 'Basset Hound' ;D
3 - 52mm
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Ru, I always thought Krim is only a small peninsula ;).
No, no. Krim is a big snowdrop world with best scenes for fine pics.
I enjoy your fotos.
The Crimea - a remarkable place.
"...
When God created Crimea,
Djyavol told it:
- My God, same paradise on the earth!
God thought, thought, and...
sent on our earth of fools of chiefs and foresters...." ;D ;D ;D
On the one hand, even for one dug-out plant there can be very big problems, on the other hand, they part in these woods of boars for hunting.
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Ru, don't remind of them, still I remember... :-[
Foresters during flowering of snowdrops is a huge problem.
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Great photos Ru, it is truly amazing the variation in Nature.
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Ru ,Thankyou for the glimpse into your countries treasures.I hope you can run faster than the foresters... ;D ;D ;D
I think 'Forest Pearl' is a very special find. ::)
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Dima, in both the Crimea and Bessarabia 'biotrope' photographs the trees are quite small and thin. Is that because the area has been clear-felled in the past and these are young trees regrowing or is that because conditions in these locales don't allow trees to grow very tall?
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Yep-yep! my two more desirable G. graecus clones made seed pods, hope to collect the viable seeds ::)
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Hurrah! We Wait for F1!
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Hope there are lots of seeds in there!
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OOOOO!!!!!!!
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First seeds
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That looks hopeful :D