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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Alex on March 16, 2013, 06:32:20 PM
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The first Trillium of the season - T. nivale from a *very* kind forumist.
Alex
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That's my favourite Trillium, Alex and that's saying something since they are all super plants. You are a lucky chap.
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Trillium time is starting in the US Pacific Northwest. Trillium rivale is always to first to flower for me. Here is a nice pot of white ones. Pinks and 'Purple Heart' are also in bloom in pots. Plants in the garden are about a week behind.
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Lovely plant, intense white
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I have about 7 Trillium rivale 2 yr old seedlings from Archibald seed in a 7cm pot. Should I keep them in this pot for a bit longer or divide them up? If the latter when is the best time to do this?
Thank you for any advice
Erle
Anglesey, still cold with snow on mountains but not down here.
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I would pot them on, en masse, when the weather improves a bit . No need to disturb them yet - giving them a larger pot to expand into will suffice.
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Thank you Maggi, I'll do that.
Erle
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The first Trillium albidum starts flowering here with a nice perfume
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In southern Ohio the Trillium nivale are beginning to open-
photos from Saturday March 24, 2013
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Bliss, Rimmer, bliss!
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Hi, thanks for pictures just love that red foliage, Trillium nivale just in bud here under basic cover thankfully or we would not see them for another week, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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The red foliage is Hepatica actiloba, growing next to the trillium and the walking fern on moss covered dolomites.
it was a nice day but we are back into winter today. that location was snowed on Sunday
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Thanks Rimmer, for the note that there were two Trillium 2013 threads running- now merged.
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I agree Maggie trilliums are super plants!
I have a batch of about fifty 2 year old seedlings from a trillium chloropetalum that has an unusual coloured mauve/purple flower x with a trillium albidum. Hoping for some beautiful variations in 5 years time as both parent plants set seed.
Will make the same cross again this year.
Such fun, ;D
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Intersting cross Marvers.
I made a Kurabayashii x albidum cross some years ago and have seedlings after that cross growing...excited how the next generation will be :) Jonny
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What a lovely Trillium Jonny. 8)
Do you have any more photos of Trilliums?
Mike
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I do have some more photos... sorry that they are totaly random in my albums...i will make a new blogg/site...but not today either :D
http://hagegal.no/gallery2/v/album21/?g2_page=2 (http://hagegal.no/gallery2/v/album21/?g2_page=2)
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Jonny has kindly given me permission to show here the Trillium photos from his website ( http://hagegal.no/gallery2/v/album21/?g2_page=2 (http://hagegal.no/gallery2/v/album21/?g2_page=2) )
Photos are all by Jonny Andresen
click to enlarge the pictures, of course....
T_chlorpetalum_1.JPG
T_Chloropetalum2.JPG
T_Chloropetalum3.JPG
Trillium albidum.jpg
trillium pusillum.jpg
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More Photos by Jonny Andresen
click to enlarge the pictures, of course....
trillium -double form 011.JPG
Trillium chloropetalum giganteum_Edin botanics form.jpg
Trillium grandiflorum.jpg
Trillium grandiflorum_Tuckers form_.JPG
trillium rugellii.jpg
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Photos are all by Jonny Andresen - thanks Jonny, for allowing the photos to be shown here. :-*
click to enlarge the pictures, of course....
Trillium kurabayashii x albidum.JPG
trillium kurabayashii.jpg
Trillium ovatum _Edit_.JPG
Trillium ovatum _edit__001.JPG
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Fabulous Kurabayashii x albidum cross Jonny, just what I'm hoping to achieve with my seedlings. How old is the plant in the photo?
Thanks for helping us to see them Maggi.
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That was a lot of pics from me...Your welcome Maggie... Mavers: That plant are 9 years old if i remember right...if you let me know i august i can send you some seeds of it if you want...//Jonny
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That would be great Jonny, thank you for the offer. ;D
I hate to think how old I'll be by the time they look like the one in your photo ::)
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Mavers
just for keeping you positive , as all plant people are , here a small true story
My father past his seventies when he one day was seeding rhododendron seeds
the neighbour , almost seventy years old , passed and asked what he was seeding
My father said Rhododendrons
he said , that will take at least ten years before they flower
my father answered , so what , I will see them flowering or other will enjoy them
and he did see them flowering
Roland
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Cheers Roland that is so true......... :)
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Beautiful trillium hybrids, Jonny. The first double trillium reminds me of frilly ladies underwear... ::)
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Here are some Trillium from a recent adventure from not far from me heading south and west, then south, then north and east, then back northwest to home. Quite a trip, but a much later year than normal. Hepatica have only just begun when for 12 years I could expect them in full flower by the 16th of March. They only just started at home on my west facing (hot) slope.
Trillium cuneatum and then T. decumbens in a mixed population
Trillium "freemanii", a common plant from the southern Cumberland Plateau. This is frequently referred to as the Ruby Falls Trillium. Some consider it ludovicianum due to the petal shape, others as maculatum, and most as cuneatum. DNA says its sister to maculatum and the latrorse anther dehiscence supports that.
Trillium underwoodii in Alabama
Aaron
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Continuing....
Trillium decipiens
Trillium lancifolium AL
Trillium lancifolium FL
Trillium maculatum GA 1 and 2
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Contuining still..... starting with more maculatum, stems only since the deer are extremely problematic. We saw at every site visited severe deer predation. This first clump of maculatum has over 30 stems, all of which had been browsed off.
Then Trillium lancifolium again from GA
Trillium sp :-X :o Not yet named, but its due to be published soon. This is known from 3 sites in Tennessee about 300 miles from oostingii and with different DNA and floral fragrance. It is a lovely plant!!
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just what I'm hoping to achieve with my seedlings.
My first trillium seedlings have emerged and I am wondering whether to prick them out or leave them a year? Any advice and what compost would people use?
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Great to see these wild trilliums, Aaron.
I leave mine at least a year, so long as they aren't too crowded, and liquid feed (sometimes several years!). An open compost with leaf mould and perlite added to JI2 is my choice. I prick out or repot in April, once they are in growth. Ian Y tells us this is just before they put out new roots so can make up for any accidental damage.
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Contuining still..... starting with more maculatum, stems only since the deer are extremely problematic. We saw at every site visited severe deer predation. This first clump of maculatum has over 30 stems, all of which had been browsed off.
Then Trillium lancifolium again from GA
Trillium sp :-X :o Not yet named, but its due to be published soon. This is known from 3 sites in Tennessee about 300 miles from oostingii and with different DNA and floral fragrance. It is a lovely plant!!
All Wonderful photos, Aaron. The species nova is marvelous - very exciting to see that. 8)
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Aaron thanks fort sharing your trip with us it is great to see these in nature
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I've a cultivation question about T.rivale. The rhizomes have worked themselves up the surface and unless I take some compost off the bottom of the pot I can't add further compost to bury them. Is it a problem? It seems a little smaller than last year but it's still early days. I've had it for probably 20 yrs and it's now in the 10 inch pot/pan.
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Thanks for the pics Aaron....lovely to see them in there natural habitat...
"The first double trillium reminds me of frilly ladies underwear..."..Anne..that has not crossed my minde but it will this spring ;D
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Not my garment of choice, but maybe Maggi??? ::)
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Not my garment of choice, but maybe Maggi??? ::)
What!?? Certainly NOT - I'm not having anyone taking me for nineteen-forties tennis player.
( http://www.goldonian.org/wimbledon/gorgeous_gussie.htm (http://www.goldonian.org/wimbledon/gorgeous_gussie.htm) )
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PK's?
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PK's?
Dunno, but I wouldn't think Panayoti Kelaidis would wear 'em....
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;D ;D ;D
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A few more pictures of trilliums in bloom. Trillium albidum, Trillium kurabayashii, and Trillium cuneatum.
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Trillium albidum
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Trillium kurabayashii
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Trillium cuneatum
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Fabulous clumps, Claire.
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Fabulous clumps, Claire.
Indeed they are 8)
Can someone please tell me how best to distinguish kurabayashii from dark-flowering chloropetalum?
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How to tell the difference between T. chloropetalum and T. kurabayashii is a good question. I have noticed that the flower odor is quite different, even when the plants and flowers are similar. T. chloropetalum has a pleasant fragrance, while T. kurabayashii smells like turpentine. I, too, would like to know if there are other differentiating features.
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Hi Claire
There was just recently a thread about these trilliums on the PBS list serve
Here is a link to the april index
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2013-April/l51a3crbesorr1po3e88s065r1.html (http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2013-April/l51a3crbesorr1po3e88s065r1.html)
Rimmer
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Also, in the lab I am part of we are working on a phyllogeny of subgenus Phyllantherum which started as a project to name a new, very local endemic from Tennessee (see above post for image), then a few nomenclatural issues arose with the Ruby Falls Trillium coming out sister to maculatum and lancifolium/lanceolatum. Last weeks work should sort out those issues, but leaves the western NA material up in the air. I noticed that the new Jepson manual lumps kurabayashii and angustipetalum. Sadly, we lack many of the western species with provenance. We do have parviflorum and albidum, but are looking for more still. Someone has said they will send material for us to include.....
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T. rivale is getting to the end of it's flowering in the PNW, USA, but some other trillium are blooming now with still more to come! ;)
Two different forms of T. rivale a couple of weeks ago.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1218/5581325/21933613/406293708.jpg)
T. pusillum with Pulsatilla vulgaris in the background.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1218/5581325/21933613/406293707.jpg)
T. ovatum
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1218/5581325/21933613/406293706.jpg)
T. kamtschaticum
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1218/5581325/21933613/406293705.jpg)
I have no idea which Trillium these are... I inherited them from my mother-in-law and they have been growing in my garden for long time.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1218/5581325/21933613/406293704.jpg)
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Probably T. cuneatum
I have no idea which Trillium these are... I inherited them from my mother-in-law and they have been growing in my garden for long time.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1218/5581325/21933613/406293704.jpg)
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Thanks, Rimmer, for suggesting a possibility! It's hard to find out what it actually is because she didn't even remember where she got it. ???
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Thanks, Rimmer, for suggesting a possibility! It's hard to find out what it actually is because she didn't even remember where she got it. ???
Please post a picture when in full bloom
Rimmer
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I have trillium germinating, should I leave them be for a year and then prick out next year? Any advice would be welcome
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I would certainly leave them be, for now, Helen. If at the end of the season they have grown well and are looking a bit crowded, then I would pot them on, en masse, to a bigger pot.
We almost always lave seedlings of bulb, corms, tubers, rhizomes, in their seed pots for as long as possible. If we have a lot of seed we sow in polystyrene fish box troughs and leave them there till they get to flowering size. Potting seedlings on, in their seedpot clumps, into a larger pot, doing ts for a copule of years or so, is easier for us, does less damage to the babies and generally proves very effective for lots of growers we know.
In future years you can give them a little feed of sulphate of potash during the period of maximum growth and they'll be flowering size in no time!
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Thanks Maggie
I have noticed that this seems to be the practice amongst a lot of alpine growers which makes sense given how small the seedlings are. However, it seems to go against the horticultural advice that we, as gardeners, have drummed into us - as soon as the first two leaves appear prick them out. Its a pity that horticultural/media advice is so black and white rather than acknowledging that different practice works for different types of plants.
I also like this approach as it means I dont have to worry about accommodating vast arrays of seedlings all pricked out into module trays or pots ;D
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I think the constant advice to "prick out as soon as the seedlings have leaves large enough to handle" arises from a couple of points.
If one is a nurseryman, then one wants plants sorted individually as soon as possible to be able to grow them on more easily to a sale-able size - and this is very much applicable to most vegetables too. There are plants, often those developing tap roots,which do appreciate early pricking out, to allow them to grow their tap root with as little onward disturbance as possible. And anyone leaving a potful of Tropaeolum seedlings to their own devices for any length of time will end up with a hopeless tangle of growth that may never be undone !
But for most true bulbs it is easier to grow them on as I have described.
Great bulb growers like the late (and sorely missed) Jack Brownless used to go one step further - he did not scatter bulb seed in a pot, he used to advocate poking a finger down into the potting mix and just dropping all the seed into that hole! He then potted on en masse in future years.
It was a system that worked well for him too.
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I've just pricked out some fern sporelings that were sown in a 2" pot in 2006, put in a plastic bag and not touched since then! Very accommodating.
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Trillium rivale
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Trillium rivale finally flowers in the garden.
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That,s a beauty, Mike. Mine has a long way to go before it's that size ;D
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Beautiful clump of Trillium rivale! How old is it?
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This Trillium kurabayashii put a big smile on my face earlier today.
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Only just started to try a few Trilliums - T. sessile in flowers, only planted last autumn.
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I have grown the double form of Trillium grandiflorum for many years, and this is the first year for many that I have not had 1 aborted flower bud. It has obviously approved of this long cold winter. They are just beginning to open. Should be just right for Malvern show, if I can get up that early to get there. It is 2 or so hours away. I bought it from Bressingham before Snow Bunting was named so can't say if it is or not the same clone.
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Hi,
I grew a potful of seedlings of a nice white T. albidum a few years ago and they are now mature.
I was expecting 100% pure white flowers like the parent but I now appear to have some reds and dark pinks in the progeny.
They are later to mature and produce flowers than the white forms.
However they certainly have impact - the leaves are very well marked.
Does albidum out cross? anyone else with similar experiences?
First photo one of the groups of seedlings.
2nd and 3rd photos are two individual seedlings.
There is some variation in flower colour in the 'reds' but not much. No clear pinks!
Regards,
David
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Hi,
this one has the best contrasting leaves,
David
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Only just started to try a few Trilliums - T. sessile in flowers, only planted last autumn.
Hi Ralph - Your Trillium is definitely a sessile type, however, it is not T. sessile. I'm fairly sure your Trillium is T. cuneatum. As shown in the photo, the flower petals of T. sessile are almond shaped and curve toward each other in a closed position.
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In greenhouse marvellously blooms Trillium kurabayashii (purple) and Trillium albidum - white with variable leaves - some mottled and some plain green.
In pot - Trillium angustitepalum which I got from New Zealand.
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trillium sulcatum album
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3111/trilliumsulcatumalbum1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/trilliumsulcatumalbum1.jpg/)
trillium grandiflorum “ Flore Pleno “
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6104/trilliumgrandiflorumflo.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/248/trilliumgrandiflorumflo.jpg/)
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Really late this spring but finally everything comes at once...some pics from my cold-frames...growing nice....//Jonny
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...And a few from my garden too....//Jonny
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I thought my double Trillium grandiflorum that I took into our local AGS group meeting on Friday was quite good with 28 flowers, some 8 cm across, but then I forgot about the single flowered plant showed at the East Anglia show last week, and again this weekend at Malvern, with over 80 flowers. Quite stunning. Best in show at both shows, and Farrer last week.
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Please post a picture when in full bloom
Rimmer
Here is a picture of the trillium in full bloom. They are fading now and have turned kind of muddy green on the second photo.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1218/5581325/21933613/406609664.jpg)
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1218/5581325/21933613/406609663.jpg)
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Here are some grandiflorums from me
ordinary grandiflorum with about 150 flowers quite an old group
forma roseum
flora plena difficult to flower without a wet summer
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Absolutely gorgeous Ian! :o
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Fabulous, Ian!
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Fabulous, Ian!
Absolutely gorgeous Ian! :o
Thank you Julie and Anne
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Hi Ralph - Your Trillium is definitely a sessile type, however, it is not T. sessile. I'm fairly sure your Trillium is T. cuneatum. As shown in the photo, the flower petals of T. sessile are almond shaped and curve toward each other in a closed position.
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Just seen this Julie; thanks for the information.
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I bought this as Trillium catesbaei, but maybe not?
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I have only this morning, in an email from another person, caught up with the very sad news that NZ's Grand Old Man of the Trillium world, Stewart Preston of Mosgiel, Otago, has died. The note I received just said "recently" and I didn't see any notice in our paper so I'm not sure of the date.
Stewart was a highly skilled grower and propagator of trilliums in particular, but of all kinds of choice plants and introduced many to local gardeners. His knowledge and experience are irreplaceable and the local garden community has lost a good friend as well as a great and generous grower. Stewart sent seed to many people around the world and plants to a number of fellow trillium addicts in different countries. He was known too as a spirited and inspiring speaker, sometimes shocking his audiences with his particular style of presentation but he never spoke a word about his favourite plants that was not true and to the point, and so helped many people, including me, better to understand the needs and foibles of the genus. I'm sure there are some Forumists or lurkers who will remember Stewart with great admiration and respect but also with affection. He will be greatly missed by all New Zealand's trillium growers.
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What sad news, Lesley. I had heard of Stewart and appreciated his standing in the NZ Trillium world.
I found this :
http://deaths.press.co.nz/obituaries/the-press-nz/obituary.aspx?pid=165150718#fbLoggedOut (http://deaths.press.co.nz/obituaries/the-press-nz/obituary.aspx?pid=165150718#fbLoggedOut)
PRESTON, Stewart Langdale
- Of Mosgiel. On Sunday June 2, 2013 aged 80 years. Dearly loved husband of the late Beth. Loved father and father-in-law of Peter (Dunedin), Donna and Colin (Wellington), Megan and Gert (Sweden). Loved grandfather of Maitland, and Madison; Fern, and Wiremu; Molly, and Melker. Loved brother of Margaret, Jenny, and the late John. A Service for Stewart will be held in Campbell and Sons Chapel, 95 Gordon Road, Mosgiel on Friday June 7, at 1.30 p.m, followed by a private interment. Messages to 14 Solar Terrace, Broad Bay 9014.
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Thank you Maggi for this extra information. Ironically, I could so easily have attended Stewart's funeral as I went up to town yesterday, shopped and had a leisurely lunch with a friend, oblivious to the knowledge of Stewart's funeral going on at Mosgiel where I went mid afternoon to the supermarket and passed people at the funeral director's where it was held, recognising many local gardeners. I parked my car as soon as I could and rushed back but they were coming out not going in. I feel really bad about missing this, a result of Roger's refusal to have a daily paper delivered here. I spoke with some of the attendees and learned that our Forumist and my friend Susan, gave a eulogy on behalf of the gardening fraetrnity around Otago and Dunedin. Susan knew Stewart very well and would have made a good job of it.
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Trillium from spring 2013
T. recurvatum 'Sharis Flame'
Trillium grandiflorum 'Elkin form'
Trillium grandiflorum Jenny Rhodes
Trillium grandiflorum 'Otis Bigalow'
Trillium ovatum flora plena