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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: Gerry Webster on February 02, 2013, 03:02:58 PM
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Ex Narcissus albidus SF110
This came from Anne Wright as one bulb in a small batch of seedlings ex SF110. Anne suggests it may be a hybrid with a petunioid form of N. romieuxii.
It is not only very attractive but vigorous &, unlike some bulbocodiums, does not flop in low light levels.
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Glad to see it doing well for you.
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Narcissus romieuxii ‘Atlas Gold’
This year the flowers are larger than ever & there are more of them. However, after weeks of low light levels they are very messy - flopping all over the place.
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Nice pics here ! - ultimately - after a long cold spell - I`m able to add a few flowering daffodils here
1. +2. Narcissus bulbocodium from Morocco
3. + 4. Narcissus romieuxii also from Morocco
Gerd
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- and a few hedraeanthus in different shapes and colours
Gerd
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Gerd - very nice to see N. hedraeanthus. I wish I could get mine to flower!
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Narcissus Firelight Gold.
Still can't access this site during my night time.
>:(
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Thank you, all :)
And... what a lovely conservative society ::) ;D
I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder :-\ but after 5 years I found this seedling flowering perhaps there is a market for it after all and it might be spared if someone wants it ;D
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It could make your fortune for you Ian :P ;D
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It could make your fortune for you Ian :P ;D
Would you like to handle the marketing David ;) ;D
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I'm your man Ian!
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Gerd - very nice to see N. hedraeanthus. I wish I could get mine to flower!
Thank you Gerry! I also noticed differences according flowering related with the provenance of
the species. The ' Cazorla type ' is best.
Gerd
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Interesting variation in your hedraeanthus, Gerd.
I took a few quick shots in the greenhouse this morning, I was going to bring them in for proper portraits, but there's a gale outside! They're really just to show the nice variations you can get if you hybridise things yourself.
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Last few:
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Really nice Anne.
I assume the presence of hand & fingers is because some of them are floppy. Though none of yours seems as bad as my 'Atlas Gold' which is now prostrate.
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They're really just to show the nice variations you can get if you hybridise things yourself.
Nice plants Anne
Gerd some nice hedraeanthus . The first one of these I got turned out to be something else :( but am now trying again with a tiny bit from a reputable source so one day ........................
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I also noticed differences according flowering related with the provenance of the species. The ' Cazorla type ' is best.
That's indeed, Gert :) Lovely tiny flowers, you grow!
They're really just to show the nice variations you can get if you hybridise things yourself.
I think so, too, Anne. Your nice pics show us that 'selecting "something particular" flowers as parents' is essential ;)
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Gerry, The fingers are to make them look in the direction of the camera, or isolate from pot-mates. However, if they were to be subjected to wind, they would fall over.
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again - thanks for kind remarks!
Gerd
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A narcissus cantabricus - thanks Wim
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Narcissus bulbocodium from near Avila ,Spain
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Narcissus asturiensis
Twelve inches of snow last night.
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This is Narcissus x neocarpetanus a natural hybrid between Narcissus cantabricus and Narcissus bublcodium subsp. nivalis
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Rafa, that's lovely.
A couple from me - both supposedly N. romieuxii rifanus from AGS seed - one is alot more yellow than the other. I'd be interested in opinions about what they actually are.
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Nice colour variations, Mark :)
A seedling of Narcissus romieuxii with almost flat corona.
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YT:
The flowers look very large.
What is the diameter of the pot.
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Lovely compact plants as usual Tatsuo
Here are some N asturiensis seedlings flowering for the first time. Sown in September 2008 - thanks Rafa
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YT:
The flowers look very large.
What is the diameter of the pot.
Hello Arnold. I think the flowers are average size.
The pot is only 7.5cm (3″) in diameter so it creates an optical illusion of size ;D
Lovely compact plants as usual Tatsuo
Here are some N asturiensis seedlings flowering for the first time. Sown in September 2008 - thanks Rafa
Thank you Ian :) Nice tiny one!
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Nice colour variations, Mark :)
A seedling of Narcissus romieuxii with almost flat corona.
Gorgeous little pot, YT !
Lovely compact plants as usual Tatsuo
Here are some N asturiensis seedlings flowering for the first time. Sown in September 2008 - thanks Rafa
Love them Ian !
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Took them outside for a better light.
Narcissus Mitimoto
Narcissus cordubensis
Narcissus calcicola
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Looks as though you having a very good season Arnold, I'm having a shocker and the Crocuses are even worse.
One that is showing though here Narcissus asturiensis x N. 'Candlepower'. One of Anne's pretty little crosses.
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Thanks David. It had been much too warm for a week, but now settled back to 20-35 F which is more like usual. The big snow we had last Friday is all but gone after temps in the 40's and rain.
I think the SA bulbs are struggling with light levels.
Miniature Narcissus seem to be not bothered by that.
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Very nice Arnold.
I think the SA bulbs are struggling with light levels.
Miniature Narcissus seem to be not bothered by that.
Lucky You - they are certainly bothered here
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Looks as though you having a very good season Arnold, I'm having a shocker and the Crocuses are even worse.
One that is showing though here Narcissus asturiensis x N. 'Candlepower'. One of Anne's pretty little crosses.
Not one of mine, David, it's one of Brian Duncan's. They're ahead of mine.
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Not one of mine, David, it's one of Brian Duncan's. They're ahead of mine.
Sorry Anne, I've just checked, yes it is Brian's cross but I got it from your 2012 List, that's what caused my label mishap. Having said that I checked through copies of Brian's Lists and in his 2011 he says of this cross "tiny all white Trumpet" are any of yours white?
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Hi David, I got that one from Brian's 2008 list, which I can't find to see what it was supposed to be like. I bought 2 bulbs which were identical, which is where yours came from.
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I cannot find Brian's 2008 list, but that from 2010 gives these variations on similar crosses :
C.03/78/2 Hybrid (Candlepower x N.asturiensis 0030)
C.01/19 Hybrid (N.asturiensis 0023 x Candlepower)
C.03/77/2 Hybrid.(N.asturiensis 0030 x 'Candlepower')
C.03/77/1 Hybrid.(N.asturiensis 0030 x 'Candlepower')
Not that I'm sure this helps at all!
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Here are two Narcissus cordubensis one from France and the other from a a grower in California.
A slight different in the lobed corona. Blanchard states " deeply 6-lobed and crenate."
As one can see the one from the French colleague is much more deeply lobed that the California plant.
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Narcissus johnstonii which is listed as a Narcissus pseudonarcissus L. × Narcissus triandrus hybrid
× johnstonii (Baker) Pugsley, in J. Roy. Hort. Soc. 58: 37 (1933) (Narcissus) = N. × taitii. FCC 1887
Narcissus dubius
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Narcissus Cedric Morris in my glass house and in an open frame.
Narcissus Julia Jane in the glass house.
Poul
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Narcissus johnstonii which is listed as a Narcissus pseudonarcissus L. × Narcissus triandrus hybrid
× johnstonii (Baker) Pugsley, in J. Roy. Hort. Soc. 58: 37 (1933) (Narcissus) = N. × taitii. FCC 1887
Arnold, look up the old discussions on 'Queen of Spain' -that has also be known/confused with johnstonii - and as far as I know johnstonii is a yellow long trumpet type ....... :-\
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Maggi:
I think I discovered the problem.
It should be Narcissus dubius.
Can you change the caption?
Oh those labels...
Edit : change made in Arnold's previous post ;)
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Narcissus dubius
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Nice flower. I have a couple of clones. It grows but never flowers. What is the secret ?
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Ian:
I can say that it gets a blistering baking during the summer months at 110F at times. During growth a good drink once per week. It's plunged in a sand gravel mix.
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Ian:
I can say that it gets a blistering baking during the summer months at 110F at times. During growth a good drink once per week. It's plunged in a sand gravel mix.
Arnold thanks it is probably the heat that it is missing here particularly after last summer :'( So I will try it in the sunniest place I can :-\
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Two Beauties, Narcissus hedraeanthus and Narcissus cordubensis are in flower actually.
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Hans:
Your N. cordubensis looks like one of mine. The lobing in the corona isn't as deep as other I've seen.
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Two Beauties, Narcissus hedraeanthus and Narcissus cordubensis are in flower actually.
That's a nice form of hedraeanthus Hans
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Ian (Y.) and I are both thinking that your Narcissus hedraeanthus is a little beauty, Hans. I expect we are all of the same mind !
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Thanks a lot for your comments Ian and Maggi - I agree completly with you, it is a real gem and I wish I had many, many more of them . It is a form of Cazorla I was given a few years ago from a very generous friend. I knew him many years back (when I was teenager) in the nursery of Bernd Wetzel in Wuppertal and met again in this great forum.
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With a history like that the plant is even more special, Hans. 8)
Apart from its beauty what is wonderful to us is that it is growing so happily in your garden - such a thing woud not be possible in our garden.... :(
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Hans - very nice indeed. I share the opinion of Ian, Ian & Maggi - N. hedraeanthus is especially attractive. I wish mine would flower!
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That's a nice form of hedraeanthus Hans
Would you be able to grow this outside in your garden, Ian?
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Would you be able to grow this outside in your garden, Ian?
Maggi I can't even grow mine in a pot. But if I had enough I might give it a try ;)
Thanks a lot for your comments Ian and Maggi - I agree completly with you, it is a real gem and I wish I had many, many more of them . It is a form of Cazorla I was given a few years ago from a very generous friend. I knew him many years back (when I was teenager) in the nursery of Bernd Wetzel in Wuppertal and met again in this great forum.
Hans would I be correct in assuming that I have already seen this on the forum recently. It is very distinctive and from the same location 8)
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Thanks again - for sure it will be much easier to grow it here than in the north. I suspect because of lack of sunshine it will not be as short as it stays here.
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It certainly is a very pretty form of hedraeanthus. And I can't get dubius to flower either.
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.......... And I can't get dubius to flower either.
I can't keep it alive. Three attempts.
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I have seedlings, so am hopeful that the climate here will help.
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The first of the garden Daffs to flower, Narcissus 'February Gold' about two weeks earlier than last year.
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The pure Narcissus cyclamineus in the rockgarden.
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Today has bloomed one of the most beautiful wild hybrid N. x montielanus
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I have Narcissus 'Camoro' flowering now
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Today has bloomed one of the most beautiful wild hybrid N. x montielanus
Very elegant!
Triandrus is obvious one of the parents, which is the other?
Poul
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It is Narcissus blancoi x Narcissus triandrus subsp. pallidulus. This hybrid is made in both directions and there are fertile plants. In this case, the mother is N. blancoi.
Here is an hybrid made by Anne Wright N. asturiensis x N. hedraaeanthus, who was the mother? N. asturiensis?
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Today has bloomed one of the most beautiful wild hybrid N. x montielanus
Rafa
A little beauty
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Came to me as something it isn't.
An unknown.
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It is Narcissus blancoi x Narcissus triandrus subsp. pallidulus. This hybrid is made in both directions and there are fertile plants. In this case, the mother is N. blancoi.
Here is an hybrid made by Anne Wright N. asturiensis x N. hedraaeanthus, who was the mother? N. asturiensis?
N. hedraeanthus was the mother.
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Here is an hybrid made by Anne Wright N. asturiensis x N. hedraaeanthus, who was the mother? N. asturiensis?
N. hedraeanthus was the mother.
A tiny hybrid, Rafa and Anne 8)
Here is Narcissus cantabricus var. petunioides, propagated vegetatively by an alpine plants enthusiast in Japan from a bulb from Ron Beeston about 20 years ago. It is said that Beeston got his original bulb(s) from an AGS member who obtained its bulb(s) from Van Tubergen. Very lucky for me, one of my generous friends sent me the 3 clone bulbs in autumn 2011 when my petunioides seedlings from JJA got severe damage.
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Tatsuo
those are very lovely,a beautiful form.
Here is Narcissus hedreanthus in flower for me today
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Tatsuo, you have some very beautiful forms. I wonder how they would look under our conditions? I think they would not be as compact as you can grow them - just wonderful.
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Tatsuo, you have some very beautiful forms. I wonder how they would look under our conditions? I think they would not be as compact as you can grow them - just wonderful.
How true!
I would like to ask an odd question - hoping that I won't receive blows:
Was there anyone who experimented with chemicals in order to keep flower stalks of bulbous plants stout?
I mean something like the ingredient Chlormequat-chlorid - Cycocel in Germany.
Gerd
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Thanks, Tony :) I have to thank the climate of here.
Anne and Gerd, why don't you put mirror plates on north side of your glass house? The mirrors reflect sunbeam and plants can receive brighter sunshine in front of mirrors ;D
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Thanks, Tony :) I have to thank the climate of here.
Anne and Gerd, why don't you put mirror plates on north side of your glass house? The mirrors reflect sunbeam and plants can receive brighter sunshine in front of mirrors ;D
Now, THAT, is a clever idea.........
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The only thing is it doesn't work in dull weather, Maggi :( Using LED is an alternative, spindly growth can be controled by using infrared LED and/or ultrabright blue LED.
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Thanks, Tony :) I have to thank the climate of here.
Anne and Gerd, why don't you put mirror plates on north side of your glass house? The mirrors reflect sunbeam and plants can receive brighter sunshine in front of mirrors ;D
What, and have to look at me everytime I go into the greenhouse! ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Also, I might roast them!
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Narcissus canatabricus 'clusii'. This is the latest bloomer of my hoop petticoat stocks this season.
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Another super one, Tatsuo. You certainly can grow them well!
Busy pollinating today. Yellow fever really is in full swing in the main bulb house. I was going to show you, but can't get the file size small enough in the program I used to use. Hmmm…
Which software is anyone using to shrink file size successfully?
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Try again. Good grief, that's awful. I need to find out how to do this again. :(
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Many possibilities Anne, two of which are: I use Irfanview (free download) for nearly all my picture management including re-sizing, but don't use it for cropping (I can't work out how it works), for which I use Picasa (also free download). Or you could try the SRGS re-sizing tool, check the Forum index to find it.
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Thanks, David. Can't use the Forum tool as we're on a Mac. Will investigate the others.
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Anne, try resizing by pixel size - ACDSee, which I use, offers the choice to use percentage of the original or efine by pixel size- very simple. If I resize a photo to 700 pixels wide the resulting file is nearly always an acceptable size for the forum for me.
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Thanks, David. Can't use the Forum tool as we're on a Mac. Will investigate the others.
Just select the photo in iPhoto, go File>Export. In the Export box, under Size, select Custom, then set a Max dimension of 1000 px (pixels). (This size setting comes up automatically on mine.)
Click on Export in the box, and select a file in Finder to export it to (e.g. create a file called "Photos for SRGC").
Then, when posting to SRGC, select the properly-sized photo from that file.
Hope this helps?
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Another super one, Tatsuo. You certainly can grow them well!
Busy pollinating today. Yellow fever really is in full swing in the main bulb house. I was going to show you, but can't get the file size small enough in the program I used to use. Hmmm…
Which software is anyone using to shrink file size successfully?
Anne - doesn't your Mac have iPhoto? This is what I use for the forum - it is very easy to resize. You can crop with Preview.
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Right, Gerry. iPhoto can do most of what I need for the forum images I post.
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Narcissus varduliensis.JWB
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Anne - doesn't your Mac have iPhoto? This is what I use for the forum - it is very easy to resize. You can crop with Preview.
You can crop in iPhoto also. (NB. Cropping is not the same as resizing though... though it will reduce the photo size by cutting off the outer parts of the photo.)
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You can crop in iPhoto also.....
So you can! Thanks Lori, I've never noticed this facility before.
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I see winter finished a couple of days ago so should we not be moving on to spring?
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I see winter finished a couple of days ago so should we not be moving on to spring?
Good grief - I'd like to think winter IS finished.
Perhaps the recent posters agreed with me since no-one has opened a new thread?
I've done so now - ::)
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I see winter finished a couple of days ago so should we not be moving on to spring?
Maybe in Lancashire but not here.
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Spring seems to end twice. Once on 1st March and again on 21st March. :-\
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Here's a problem that needs solving. I have 3 very rare narcissus bulbs all in one divided pot as they were small. No comments about baskets and eggs please. They were fine last year and one flowered, but as I'd plunged them with my chips I missed repotting them last summer. I've been waiting for them to show and finally couldn't stand the suspense any longer so had a furtle (=look) to see what was happening.
All 3 bulbs are still there. They are hard and look perfectly OK but they have not produced any roots or shoots, in fact they look completely dormant. Ideas please.
Puzzle no2:
I think Ian mentioned having to help some flowers to open. I'm noticing the same thing, where the tips of the perianth segments are reluctant to separate, or the spathe does not release the flower fully. Also the trumpets on some flowers are pinched at the mouth. Ideas welcome.
Thanks :)
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The unusual weather patterns, Anne? Cold summer followed by mild autumn and equally mild early winter = no discernible seasonal weather change, and not enough winter cold, to initiate vernation?
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Here's a problem that needs solving. I have 3 very rare narcissus bulbs all in one divided pot as they were small. No comments about baskets and eggs please. They were fine last year and one flowered, but as I'd plunged them with my chips I missed repotting them last summer. I've been waiting for them to show and finally couldn't stand the suspense any longer so had a furtle (=look) to see what was happening.
All 3 bulbs are still there. They are hard and look perfectly OK but they have not produced any roots or shoots, in fact they look completely dormant. Ideas please.............
Anne - some of my plants are behaving in a similar fashion but I haven't poked around; I'm afraid of causing what Paul Christian calls "finger blight". I have no suggestions of my own & Martin may well be correct
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I'm basing my suggestion on the fact that I've had very poor germination of my snowdrop seeds this year, which tends to happen when we get a mild autumn and mild early start to winter, and may possibly be exacerbated by a cool summer. So I assume that if such conditions cause poor bulb seed germination then the same could apply to vernation of bulbs.
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You might be right there. I was thinking the poor summer might have affected the formation of the embryo flower. Any ideas about the unexpected dormancy?
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Anne
my tazetta from Turkey have made no growth at all but seem perfectly okay. They are damp at the moment and I will dry them off as normal in a few weeks and hope for growth/flowers next autumn
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Here's a problem that needs solving. I have 3 very rare narcissus bulbs all in one divided pot as they were small. No comments about baskets and eggs please. They were fine last year and one flowered, but as I'd plunged them with my chips I missed repotting them last summer. I've been waiting for them to show and finally couldn't stand the suspense any longer so had a furtle (=look) to see what was happening.
All 3 bulbs are still there. They are hard and look perfectly OK but they have not produced any roots or shoots, in fact they look completely dormant. Ideas please.
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Anne, I experience the same with Narcissus broussonetii. If the summer dormancy is not dry and hot enough, then they take a year off. If treated properly, they come up next year. The same has happened with Urginea maritime and Daubenya aurea.
Poul
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I hope you are correct, pehe.
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just in flower
Narcissus x susannae and similar Narcissus x matritensis
Gerd
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Beautiful plants!, this hybrid is one of my favourite. N. x sussanae and N. x matritensis are the same. The author make this difference because under this name N. x susannae they were also plants of N. x litigiosus (one of the parents is N. albicans). So he decides to replace the name N. x sussanae by N. x matritensis only for N. cantabricus hybrids and maitnain the old name N. x litigiosus for albicans hybrids.
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just in flower
Narcissus x susannae and similar Narcissus x matritensis
Gerd
Beautiful Gerd. And thanks Rafa for the additional information.
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just in flower
Narcissus x susannae and similar Narcissus x matritensis
Gerd
Our favourite! And flowering so early- what a treat.
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I've never seen so many all at once! :o
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Thanks for compliments alltogether!
Rafa, Thank you for additional information too! Indeed I am not sure whether the plants called here
' x susannae ' are also of a Narcissus albicans parent origin. I didn't separate my plants by origin but made
a selection from different sources by shape and colour of the flowers.
So nevertheless I hope that ' x susannae ' isn't totally wrong here.
Gerd
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A couple in flowe today
Narcissus alpestris ms842
Narcissus cantabricus ssp monphyllus from Spain Filabres
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Both nice Tony. I have some alpestris you were kind enough to send me, a few years ago now, labelled as from "Casteljon de Sus?" but I struggle with them.
A few here from my pretty poor Narcissus year:-
N. cyclamineus from seed sown 2008 and flowering for the first time. Destined for the garden when I re-pot
N. asturiensis this is flowering for the first time for me but I got the original bulb way back in 2008!
N. 'Mitimoto' from Anne's List a couple of years ago
N. 'Douglasbank' another from Anne's List.
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A few more:-
Narcissus bulbocodium var. nivalis
N bulbocodium var. graellsii
and a couple from the garden both of which were flat on the ground yesterday after a battering from wind and frost:-
N. 'Topolino'
N. 'Cornish Chuckles'
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David
the place is Casteljon de Sos (my poor writing on the label) in the Spanish Pyrenees. It is a shame they do not do well for you, they must like my climate better. Mine are still a month of flowering.
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Thanks Tony. I've still got time then!
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Nice plants David. Despite our (presumably) similar climates NN. asturiensis & cyclamineus are almost over here while bulbocodium vars. have yet to start.
I like your alpestris Tony; is this clone self-fertile?
I have a batch of seedlings that are progressing well in a pot outdoors but are still a year or two off flowering.
By contrast N. moschatus bulbs planted in the garden about 5 years ago are only settling down now :P
... Narcissus cantabricus ssp monphyllus from Spain Filabres
looking rather polyphyllus ;)
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Narcissus hedraeanthus subsp./var. luteolentus
This name is accepted by Flora Iberica & Blanchard but not by Kew who regard it as a synonym of N. hedraeanthus. However, it seems distinct & is more willing to flower with me.
A gift from Anne Wright.
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Nice plants David. Despite our (presumably) similar climates NN. asturiensis & cyclamineus are almost over here while bulbocodium vars. have yet to start...........
By contrast N. moschatus bulbs planted in the garden about 5 years ago are only settling down now .........
N. cyclamineus came in to flower a few days ago here but N. asturiensis is just starting.
N. moschatus settled down within a year - it died.
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Ashley
the alpestris has come from one bulb from Mike salmon about 20+ years ago and has never set seed.It is only about five years ago that it actually started dividing. I have a lot of alpestris from my own collection and these being multiple clones set seed readily.
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N. moschatus settled down within a year - it died.
as did mine and as have all previous batches of moschatus bulbs I've tried
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as did mine and as have all previous batches of moschatus bulbs I've tried
Then I shouldn't moan, but will be loth to divide or move them to avoid yet more years of just leaves.
The MS clone is doing very well with you Tony. Do your other alpestris differ from it or show variation?
A fine hedraeanthus Gerry 8)
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Ashley
my own collections seem much more robust and are later flowering. The ones from Casteljon are much whiter than the MS form and the higher altitude forms from Cerler are more cream with more substantial flowers. The latter have been described as a different species but I corresponded with Dr Norman who had also seen them in the wild and he agreed with me that they are not. I do off course also have a yellow one which is slowly building up. I will post pictures when they flower.
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Narcissus 'Flashback', one size up from N. cyclamineus. Last year I crossed it with N.cyclmaineus and now I wonder why.
johnw
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That's a lovely pot of alpestris. It is definitely my favourite white narcissus.
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Narcissus 'Flashback', one size up from N. cyclamineus. Last year I crossed it with N.cyclmaineus and now I wonder why.
johnw
You are trying to get a cyclamineus that will grow as easily as Flashback?
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Cracking pot of N. alpestris, by the way. Not easy to grow, I have found. Where is your pot kept? Is it dried out in the summer? Can I beg some seeds, if you have a surplus?
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Revised my opinion of alpestris. My favourite non-green self coloured narcissus. ;D
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my own collections seem much more robust and are later flowering. The ones from Casteljon are much whiter than the MS form and the higher altitude forms from Cerler are more cream with more substantial flowers. The latter have been described as a different species but I corresponded with Dr Norman who had also seen them in the wild and he agreed with me that they are not. I do off course also have a yellow one which is slowly building up. I will post pictures when they flower.
Thanks Tony. Might I queue behind Anne if ever you have a few seeds to spare?
My young plants are either ex JWB 94-06 & 94-08 or ex JWB 92-08 (via JJA), but I don't have my notes to hand.
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Cracking pot of N. alpestris, by the way. Not easy to grow, I have found. Where is your pot kept? Is it dried out in the summer? Can I beg some seeds, if you have a surplus?
They sit in the sand plunge in my greenhouse and dry out but do not bake,as if they could here!
Yes no problem on the seeds and for Ashley either but more probably off-sets
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You are trying to get a cyclamineus that will grow as easily as Flashback?
Right, that's it Anne. ;)
Wonder if I should cross Flashback with nevadensis and why?
johnw
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Curiosity. What more reason is needed?
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Some pics from this afternoon near Madrid
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N. bulbocodium and fertile hybrids with N. cantabricus, this morning in Toledo
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Another fertile hybrid very similar to N. cantabricus
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and another fertile hybrid, tendency to N. bulbocodium
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Oh! My word, Rafa, these little gems are true treasures- so exciting to see them, thank you! 8) 8)
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Curiosity. What more reason is needed?
True enough. How about if I do the cross and send you the seed?
johnw - de la neige, +.5c
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Tony - Your 3 alpestris have certainly bulked up nicely over the last few years! This species floors me every time - simply the best, right Lesley.
johnw
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True enough. How about if I do the cross and send you the seed?
johnw - de la neige, +.5c
No thanks, John, I've enough of my own to grow on!
Rafa - these photos take my breath away! It is interesting to see that the hybrids are splitting into clumps. That first cantabricus and the x susannae are especially beautiful.
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Oh! My word, Rafa, these little gems are true treasures- so exciting to see them, thank you! 8) 8)
Cannot agree more, thanks so much for showing this beauties!!
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and another fertile hybrid, tendency to N. bulbocodium
Rafa, Fascinating natural crosses. Do you believe they will have the capability to outnumber their
parents at the site you photographed them?
Gerd
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Just wonderful to see Rafa 8)
I especially like the pleated and scalloped coronas of the cantabricus, beautifully shown in your picture.
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Wonderful Rafa. The cantabricus & x susannae are especially beautiful.
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Gerd, I think this could be possible if there were crosses in both direcctions and after manny many time. In this village from Madrid, N. cantabricus is in bloom since one month and N. triandrus pallidulus just starting to open the flowers, so porbably all N. cantabricus have the ovary closed to receive pollen from N. triandrus. But in the other hand, the first N. triandrus in open the flowers will only receive receive N. cantabricus pollen, and the cross is inevitable.
Yesterday I count 18 single plants of N. x sussanae, 3 with two flowers per scape and 3 clumps with several flowers, one of them with 38 flowers! and 20cm aprox high. It was sunset, and I couldn't picture it... All these plants, and It's just the beginning so maybe in one or two week I will return to see more plants.
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A few today:-
Narcissus segurensis, this one from Brian Duncan's List. A pretty little thing in my view.
Narcissus cyclamineus x 'Camborne' again from Brian, flower still a bit immature
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Narcissus assoanus again from Brian. This is the first assoanus I've managed to get to flower.
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Narcissus assoanus again from Brian. This is the first assoanus I've managed to get to flower.
David - congratulations! I get flowers about every 3 years & it looks as though this is not going to be one of them.
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Narcissus segurensis looks interesting - it's a new one on me. I'll be interested to see it fully out. I have buds on assoanus too!
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Narcissus segurensis looks interesting - it's a new one on me. I'll be interested to see it fully out. I have buds on assoanus too!
Described not long ago...... Narcissus segurensis S.Ríos, D.Rivera, Alcaraz & Obón (1999)
Place of publication: Bot. J. Linn. Soc. 131:155. 1999
Name verified on: 17-Dec-2002 by ARS Systematic Botanists.
http://ebd06.ebd.csic.es/pdfs/medrano.&.herrera.2008.ann.bot.pdf (http://ebd06.ebd.csic.es/pdfs/medrano.&.herrera.2008.ann.bot.pdf)
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http://ebd06.ebd.csic.es/pdfs/medrano.&.herrera.2008.ann.bot.pdf (http://ebd06.ebd.csic.es/pdfs/medrano.&.herrera.2008.ann.bot.pdf)
Good Lord, I tried to read that but only understood about one word in ten. Think N. segurensis was actually mentioned once ;D
Brian says on his List it is very scarce and gives it as being from Hornos-Los Arroyas. I'll do another picture Anne but shall be away tomorrow until late Sunday. It may have opened fully by then.
Gerry, given there are ten bulbs of mixed sizes in the pot I suppose one assoanus flower is not a bad product.
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Good Lord, I tried to read that but only understood about one word in ten. Think N. segurensis was actually mentioned once ;D
Well done! I had difficulty finding the mention! Good exercise though!
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My short fat Narcissus bulbocodium graellsii is flowering now.
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My short fat Narcissus bulbocodium graellsii is flowering now.
What a smart little plant that is, Roma. I'm impressed that it manages to keep short when the light has been so lacking of late.
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I'm surprised too, Maggi. Up to now I've had very few flowers on winter/spring narcissi so it's a treat to see this one doing so well. Did I give Ian one? I know I promised him one once it started to split. It stayed at 3 bulbs for years.
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I think you did, Roma. I've been so busy watching the progress of your Galanthus platyphyllus I haven't checked on that!
edit by forgetful maggi: Yes, you did give that to Ian- 8) 8) 8)
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Can anyone put a name on this one for me please. It was grown from SRGC seed under the name Narcissus watieri and has only one single flower 25cm high.
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It looks like some sort of jonquil but there are several of more-or-less that height.
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Very nice form, Roma. Sorry, Michael, can't help.
Here are some portraits taken this week: (the ruler is graduated in cm)
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A few more:
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Final one:
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Good Lord, I tried to read that but only understood about one word in ten. Think N. segurensis was actually mentioned once ;D
David, here is a link to the original 1999 paper describing N. segurensis:
http://ebd06.ebd.csic.es/pdfscazorla/Rios-Ruiz.et.al.1999.BotJLinnSoc.pdf (http://ebd06.ebd.csic.es/pdfscazorla/Rios-Ruiz.et.al.1999.BotJLinnSoc.pdf)
I use Google Scholar to find such things...
Ed
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Yellow Fever is raging here thanks to you and your beauties, Anne ::) :D It's a great pity that most daffodils hate my warm spring weather so as they are difficult to grow here at best :'( I must admit that I have had some success with a JJA clone of N. cyclamineus in recent years - it produces gorgeous flowers but doesn't multiply vegetatively at all - still worth the effort though...
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David, here is a link to the original 1999 paper describing N. segurensis:
http://ebd06.ebd.csic.es/pdfscazorla/Rios-Ruiz.et.al.1999.BotJLinnSoc.pdf (http://ebd06.ebd.csic.es/pdfscazorla/Rios-Ruiz.et.al.1999.BotJLinnSoc.pdf)
I use Google Scholar to find such things...
Ed
Hurrah! Thanks Ed!!
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Your N. cyclamineus sounds nice, Rogan, I struggle with it but am trying so sow seeds to get more. My bulbs are growing rather taller than they should do, from being inside and sheltered.
Sorry to tease everyone with Coo, I am trying to propagate it, and have chips coming on. Soon, I promise. I've also had a go at a similar cross. Coo is N. bulbocodium tenuifolius x cyclamineus. I don't have that seed parent, but have used a tiny N. bulb. nivalis instead. Fingers crossed!
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..........I have had some success with a JJA clone of N. cyclamineus in recent years - it produces gorgeous flowers but doesn't multiply vegetatively at all - still worth the effort though...
Some forms or clones of N. cyclamineus do increase vegetatively - albeit slowly. I have one, originally from Pitcairn Alpines.
It grows quite well here, potted in a mix similar to that recommended to me by Kath Dryden: 2composted bark : 1peat : 1perlite + Vitax Q4 (5g/litre). It is kept in an open sand plunge all year round.
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Some forms or clones of N. cyclamineus do increase vegetatively - albeit slowly. I have one, originally from Pitcairn Alpines.
The Pitcairn Alpines webshop will re-open from the 1st April - keep an eye open!
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Some forms or clones of N. cyclamineus do increase vegetatively - albeit slowly.
Mine from seed (JJA 700.310, 'no data' :() do too, so it's probably down to cool, damp conditions.
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Narcissus bujei.
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Another one unknown to me - how big is it?
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Anne:
Here's some with ruler for sale.
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More
Narcissus bujei
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= N. hispanicus var bujei. Blanchard p158.
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A nice small flower. Thanks, Arnold.
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A couple more pics of Narcissus segurensis for Anne. I think this is as open as it's going to get Anne.
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A couple from the greenhouse today:-
Narcissus 'Little Spell' from Anne's List.
Narcissus bicolor from Astun, France- from Brian Duncan's List
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Very nice, David.
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David:
Very nice, are they late this year?
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Here's a nice new seedling from Little Spell, crossed with a Keira hybrid.
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David:
Very nice, are they late this year?
Don't know Arnold, these are all ones I bought during last season. I would suspect they are a bit later than normal.
Nice seedling Anne.
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A Narcissus found by a client in the Perigord France
who knows a name
Roland
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I'm hopeless at plant recognition Roland but I'd hazard a guess at Narcissus poeticus?
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Another cutie flowering today. Bought at the Discussion Weekend. Another of yours,Anne?
I put in the blurry one to show the length of the tube.
Oops. When will I learn to recheck the label before posting :-[
Narcissus rupicola x asturiensis jacetanus
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I'm hopeless at plant recognition Roland but I'd hazard a guess at Narcissus poeticus?
That would be my guess too.
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A Narcissus found by a client in the Perigord France
who knows a name
Roland
If a poeticus then surely not pure ? The overall colour of the corolla and the shape of the corona suggest some other "blood" in there I think.
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Mark thinks that it is maybe Narcissus 'Baths Flame'
an old one from before 1913
it could be a garden escape
to compare the two both pictures
Roland
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Mark thinks that it is maybe Narcissus 'Baths Flame'
an old one from before 1913
it could be a garden escape
to compare the two both pictures
Roland
Have just looked at 'Daffseek' & Mark seems to be correct. Apparently it was much used in the Cornish cut- flower trade
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Narcissus 'Baths Flame' seems a little darker and different shaped petals
Roland
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Narcissus 'Baths Flame' seems a little darker and different shaped petals
Roland
Roland - The photos on 'Daffseek' seem to be of two rather different plants (?). To my eye, one of them resembles your plant from Perigord:
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Bath%27s%20Flame&lastpage=1& (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Bath%27s%20Flame&lastpage=1&)
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You are right Gerry
I will name my plant
order also some bulbs and see if they are the same next spring
Thanks all
Roland
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Narcissus papyraceus, JJA 702.720, on today :)
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Perfect plants YT
Roland
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Narcissus papyraceus, JJA 702.720, on today :)
Tatsuo - Extraordinary! How do you achieve perfection every time?
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Beautifully grown, Tatsuo.
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The touch of a Master.
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Thank you all. I watered and fed this narcissus same as other pots. It just fits to my climate, I think.
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Bulbs in UK garden centres are treated so all you have to do is plant them. Not so New Zealand. I bought some bog standard daffodil bulbs (75 cents = 40p each for the cheapest) and was told to store them in the fridge for a few weeks otherwise they wouldn't grow, but don't store them in the same fridge as apples! :o
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Bulbs in UK garden centres are treated so all you have to do is plant them. Not so New Zealand.I bought some bog standard daffodil bulbs (75 cents = 40p each for the cheapest) and was told to store them in the fridge for a few weeks otherwise they wouldn't grow, but don't store them in the same fridge as apples! :o
As a result they may last longer than one year (?) - which seems to be the norm for UK bulbs.
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I never had a problem with garden centre daffodil bulbs in Dunblane. Quite the reverse: they were so vigorous I had problems with them crowding out other plants in my borders. I wonder if these will fail next year as Auckland doesn't really have a cold winter?
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store them in the fridge for a few weeks otherwise they wouldn't grow,
What is the reasoning behind that? Is that just to force them for early pots?
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Here's a new one to me.
Narcissus primigenius.
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Can anyone help with an id for this narcissus. I don't know if it is a named variety or a hybrid. Originally found in an old abandond Mill garden, the site not oocuppied for about 80+ years.I would be grateful for any information or links. :)
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Looks like "Van Sion"
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Double%20Van%20Sion&lastpage=1& (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Double%20Van%20Sion&lastpage=1&)
cheers
fermi
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Agreed, the filled trumpet is the giveaway.
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Can anyone ID this narcissus?
It looks like a poeticus, but the flowering time is strange.
I got it some years ago from an old garden. It flowers for the first time this year.
It had been growing in a rather shadowed site in my garden. In mid October the leaves was well developed and the flower bud was visible.
I thought it was a tazetta and didn't expect it to survive the winter outside, so I pottet it in a large pot and placed it in a frost free glasshouse (+2oC)
The flower opened at the end of March at the same time as a pot of Rijnveldts Early Sensation, which I have in the same glasshouse. So it is obvious not a poeticus.
Poul
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Looks like "Van Sion"
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Double%20Van%20Sion&lastpage=1& (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Double%20Van%20Sion&lastpage=1&)
cheers
fermi
Thankyou both very much, I can now look for more info and best of all give it a name and it's own label . ;D
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Thankyou both very much, I can now look for more info and best of all give it a name and it's own label . ;D
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Telamonius%20Plenus&lastpage=1&which=hist1 (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Telamonius%20Plenus&lastpage=1&which=hist1)
Very interesting history to this old bulb- going back to the 17th Century. Should make us all feel very youthful ;)
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Can anyone ID this narcissus?
It looks like a poeticus, but the flowering time is strange.
I got it some years ago from an old garden. It flowers for the first time this year.
It had been growing in a rather shadowed site in my garden. In mid October the leaves was well developed and the flower bud was visible.
I thought it was a tazetta and didn't expect it to survive the winter outside, so I pottet it in a large pot and placed it in a frost free glasshouse (+2oC)
The flower opened at the end of March at the same time as a pot of Rijnveldts Early Sensation, which I have in the same glasshouse. So it is obvious not a poeticus.
Poul
A lovely poeticus flower- just flowering in its own time. I have always found Narcissus poeticus to be unpredictable.
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Can anyone ID this narcissus?
It looks like a poeticus, but the flowering time is strange.
I got it some years ago from an old garden. It flowers for the first time this year.
It had been growing in a rather shadowed site in my garden. In mid October the leaves was well developed and the flower bud was visible.
I thought it was a tazetta and didn't expect it to survive the winter outside, so I pottet it in a large pot and placed it in a frost free glasshouse (+2oC)
The flower opened at the end of March at the same time as a pot of Rijnveldts Early Sensation, which I have in the same glasshouse. So it is obvious not a poeticus.
Poul
Poul - see the posts above by Roland (Bulborum) & myself on 'Baths Flame'. And Daffseek:
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Bath%27s%20Flame&lastpage=1& (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Bath%27s%20Flame&lastpage=1&)
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http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Telamonius%20Plenus&lastpage=1&which=hist1 (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Telamonius%20Plenus&lastpage=1&which=hist1)
Very interesting history to this old bulb- going back to the 17th Century. Should make us all feel very youthful ;)
I see what you mean Maggie :o, I know it's not everyones cup of tea but I shall cherish it in my garden and now be able to tell people of it's history. :)
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A couple of mine from today, excuse the blurry images please-done in a rush!
Narcissus 'Elka' flowers about one year in three for me.
Narcissus perez-chiscanoi
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Narcissus 'Elka' flowers about one year in three for me.
Narcissus perez-chiscanoi
Re Elka - congratulations, that's better than I do! How big/tall is N p-c?
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about 18cm Anne but I'll measure it tomorrow.
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Your estimate is enough! Nice little thing. The daff that is.
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;D ;D ;D
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Subsp. nivalis afternoon :o
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and a final kiss ;D
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Subsp. nivalis afternoon :o
Magnifico, Rafa!
Thanks for sharing with us,
cheers
fermi
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Poul - see the posts above by Roland (Bulborum) & myself on 'Baths Flame'. And Daffseek:
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Bath%27s%20Flame&lastpage=1& (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Bath%27s%20Flame&lastpage=1&)
Thank you Gerry. That might be the one.
And Maggi, if it's a poeticus then it surely is a rebel protesting against the very cold winter/spring ;D
Poul
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Rafa, what a show!
Wish I were there. Thanks for sharing!
Poul
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Fantastic, Rafa. I wish I were there too! Have you taught Althea to hunt the narcissi yet? She should be able to smell them for several km!
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Awesome place. Must have been paradise for you and your beautiful dog. 8)
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Can anyone ID this narcissus?
It looks like a poeticus, but the flowering time is strange.
I got it some years ago from an old garden. It flowers for the first time this year.
It had been growing in a rather shadowed site in my garden. In mid October the leaves was well developed and the flower bud was visible.
I thought it was a tazetta and didn't expect it to survive the winter outside, so I pottet it in a large pot and placed it in a frost free glasshouse (+2oC)
The flower opened at the end of March at the same time as a pot of Rijnveldts Early Sensation, which I have in the same glasshouse. So it is obvious not a poeticus.
Poul
If this plant is not N. poeticus, then what could it possibly be? ::) ???
The other query plant shown earlier may well be the old hybrid discussed , but this plant
is saying "Pheasant's eye" to me = poeticus.
Am I missing something? :-\
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Maggi I have true poeticus in the same bed and they haven't even shown their noses yet. I have never seen a poeticus above ground before x-mas as this one, so I believe it is a hybrid even if it looks exactly as a true poeticus.
Poul
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Rafa, your Narcissus meadows are as beautiful as the magnificent Althea - what a fine girl she has grown up to be.
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With last years order from R.A.Scamp we were sent a little freebie of 3 bulbs of Rijnvelds Early Sensation. Looking out of my window I can see them flowering beautifully, in fact they have been flowering beautifully for the last 7 weeks. The nightly frosts and bitter winds haven't put them off at all. If you want an early tall yellow I would think this one is unbeatable.
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Glad you like it!
Today, N. confusus afternoon
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Rafa, What a superb population!
Gerd
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Wonderful!
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Narcissus papyraceus (or should I say Narcissus 'Paperwhite'?) flowering outdoors here in Kent. Growing in a sunny spot at the foot of a south-facing wall. Has been through several hard winters. Not just for forcing for Christmas, then!
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Narcissus papyraceus (or should I say Narcissus 'Paperwhite'?) flowering outdoors here in Kent. Growing in a sunny spot at the foot of a south-facing wall. Has been through several hard winters. Not just for forcing for Christmas, then!
Well, I wouldn't have thought that possible! I am impressed. One of my favourites because of the scent but difficult in a pot for bringing indoors because of the tendency to grow to nearly four feet high!
I used to start them off under the staging in the glass house but they still used to shoot up indoors to daft heights. I haven't grown the bulbs usually used for house growing for the last few years :'(
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WOW Rafa!!! :o :o :o
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I see garden centres here are not offering 'Paper Whites' this year. Not surprised. I bought a dozen bulbs last year and got only one or two flowering stems out of the whole lot!
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Here are
1. Narcissus bulbocodium - a selected form with a short corona from Morocco
2. Narcissus bulbocodium ssp. validus/turgidus - Burgos/ex seeds from Rafa in 2007
3. Narcissus montielanus - also a gift from Rafa
4. + 5. Narcissus confusus - El Escorial/ here outside (with thanks to Rafa)
Gerd
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Very lovely Rafa & Gerd,
what a pity - I lost all my C. confusus seedlings and more by last years black frosts. :'(
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Narcissus confusus is very hardy, but if it was outdoor planted in a pod, it won't tolerate hard frost. Great pics Gerd!
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Narcissus papyraceus (or should I say Narcissus 'Paperwhite'?) flowering outdoors here in Kent. Growing in a sunny spot at the foot of a south-facing wall. Has been through several hard winters. Not just for forcing for Christmas, then!
John ralph - How tall do your plants get outside?
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Thanks, Armin & Rafa!
Rafa, indeed it surprised me that N. confusus survived recent long lasting cold periodes.
Gerd
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Some in flower today
Narcissus bulbocodium from Spain Avila
Narcissus bulbocodium ssp citrinus from Spain Avila
Narcissus cantabricus ssp petuniodes a gift from Alex
Narcissu cantabricus ssp monphyllus from Spain filbres
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Two more
Narcissus wateiri
Narcissus alpestris from Spain Cerler
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Lovely selection Tony - and that pot of alpestris is really charming.
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Thanks Maggi,I am having a good year with narcissus and the alpestris seems well suited to my climate.
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Very nice, Tony, but your Narcissus rupicola x asturiensis isn't - is it the wrong photo?
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Very nice, Tony, but your Narcissus rupicola x asturiensis isn't - is it the wrong photo?
Anne I have taken it off thank you. Not one I know about so I will need to confirm its origin
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Thanks Maggi,I am having a good year with narcissus and the alpestris seems well suited to my climate.
Tony - indeed it seems to be a good year.
According the bulbocodiums from Avila: Did the two forms grow within the same population?
Gerd
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Gerd
not at all,they were in distinct populations in the general area of Avila. I find the citrinus very difficult and the other easy.
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Tony - N rupicola x asturiensis (it's a trumpet rather than a hoop petticoat).
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I had this and had to give it away. :'( Most went west, but not in the final sense.
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John ralph - How tall do your plants get outside?
They are just coming into flower at 30cm high. In the same area I also have N. 'Avalanche' in bud at 20cm high and both N. 'Grand Soleil D.Or' and N. 'Erlicher' which are much less advanced and probably less happy.
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Hi johnralphcarpenter,
You are the man I am looking for. ;D.. Please do look at my 'seed wanted' post..
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Tony - N rupicola x asturiensis (it's a trumpet rather than a hoop petticoat).
Anne thank you it was a labeling mistake. Nice to see the other one.
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Hi johnralphcarpenter,
You are the man I am looking for. ;D.. Please do look at my 'seed wanted' post..
If they set seed.....
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Can someone ID this one for me please. It is growing in a neighbours garden and I would like to acquire some.
30-35cm tall with between three and six flowers on each stem. Sorry about the flower quality but it is has been in bloom for a number of weeks and is almost over.
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Sorry can't help there Michael.
Some from this week. The week has been somewhat chaotic in the Nicholson household with little time to get out in the garden but a few pictures here gathered as time allowed.
Narcissus bulbocodium. I merged many of my pots of bulbocodium at re-potting time so these could be obesus, or, perhaps not :P
Narcissus moschatus. A minor triumph since it flowered last year and I usually loose them after one flowering.
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Narcissus 'Candlepower' . One of my favourite little 'uns.
From the garden N. 'Sweetness'
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Narcissus 'W P Milner' from the garden
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Some from this week. The week has been somewhat chaotic in the Nicholson household with little time to get out in the garden but a few pictures here gathered as time allowed.
Narcissus bulbocodium. I merged many of my pots of bulbocodium at re-potting time so these could be obesus, or, perhaps not :P
Narcissus moschatus. A minor triumph since it flowered last year and I usually loose them after one flowering.
David - the shortest plant looks like N. obesus to me - corona curving in at margin.
N. moschatus flowering a second time. Amazing!
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Can someone ID this one for me please. It is growing in a neighbours garden and I would like to acquire some.
30-35cm tall with between three and six flowers on each stem. Sorry about the flower quality but it is has been in bloom for a number of weeks and is almost over.
Wait until its dark ;)
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Can someone ID this one for me please. It is growing in a neighbours garden and I would like to acquire some.
30-35cm tall with between three and six flowers on each stem. Sorry about the flower quality but it is has been in bloom for a number of weeks and is almost over.
One of the tazetta hybrids such as Grand Soleil d’Or, Castanets or Matador?
http://www.ringhaddy-daffodils.com/acatalog/Castanets.html (http://www.ringhaddy-daffodils.com/acatalog/Castanets.html)
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Thanks Gail, looks like either Tuggle Seedling 66/49 or castanets.
cheers.
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Can someone ID this one for me please. It is growing in a neighbours garden and I would like to acquire some.
30-35cm tall with between three and six flowers on each stem. Sorry about the flower quality but it is has been in bloom for a number of weeks and is almost over.
Michael, when the first flowers have the same coloured cups as the plant do have now, I don't think it's Castanets, here is a picture of it
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Beautiful 'W P Milner' David; a favourite of mine.
Unfortunately here it produces abundant leaves but only the odd flower (1 this year :'().
Is there a secret?
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Keep-off narcissus fly from W.P. Millner!
It seems to me a cv. being very susceptible / attractive for the flys. I found many grubs in the bulbs.
I have no hope for mine to survive in longer term. :(
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Raining here today.
'Thalia'
'Segovia'
x tenuior looking a bit bedraggled
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Beautiful 'W P Milner' David; a favourite of mine.
Unfortunately here it produces abundant leaves but only the odd flower (1 this year :'().
Is there a secret?
If there's a secret Ashley I don't have it I'm afraid. W P Milner is in my same boat as moschatus-buy it-grow it loose it; buy it-grow it-loose it ad infinitum. The potful I posted I bought last year and confidently expect to need to buy more later this year.
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Maybe more sensible than growing leaves as I do ;D
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fantastic narcissus!
In my oppinion there are two bulbocodiums in Avila (apart N. cantabricus): subsp. nivalis and subsp. graellsii and the hybrid N. x carpetanus. Both species grow in similar places, maybe N. nivalis prefers higher altitudes...
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some pictures from yesterday
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in this particular placer there still are some subsp. nivalis blooming and many subsp. graellsii, this is the places where you can find N. x neocarpetanus, in the last picture.
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A field of narcissus is a beautiful thing but a field of narcissus and romuleas with the lovely Althea is even more wonderful! 8) 8)
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Thank you Maggy, by the way, it is Romulea bulbocodium and Narcissus confusus the species that grows together with subsp. nivalis and subsp. graellsii an image very usual in Guadarrama and Gredos mountain ranges
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good night! wouf!
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It looks like heaven. With your knowledge and Althea's nose - you make a great team!
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Hello friends. Can you give any info on Narcissus Queen Anne? I received this from
one of you a few years ago and it has now bloomed. I find no reference
in a search on here. Thanks
John B
photo Queen Anne
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Hello friends. Can you give any info on Narcissus Queen Anne? I received this from
one of you a few years ago and it has now bloomed. I find no reference
in a search on here. Thanks
John B
photo Queen Anne
Hello John, I've moved your query to the narcissus thread ;)
Thi is a very old variety- called Queen Anne's double, or N. eystettensis and there are other names too .... see this Daffseek page:
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Eystettensis&lastpage=1 (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Eystettensis&lastpage=1)
( mind you, this page suggests that the seed parent of ths plant might be N. triandrus , which seems crazy to me!)
I think we have discussed the history of this old flower before- searching now.......
Here are some links, but I think our major discussion of it was in the old (lost ) forum
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1458.msg37200#msg37200 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1458.msg37200#msg37200)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=7842.30 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=7842.30)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1586.msg40934#msg40934 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1586.msg40934#msg40934)
http://www.johnjearrard.co.uk/plants/n/narcissuseystettensis/species.html (http://www.johnjearrard.co.uk/plants/n/narcissuseystettensis/species.html)
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Crazy weather! It's been around 2oC for months here, then last week milder, yesterday mild windy and very wet, today glorious sunshine and 24oC! The clump of N. 'Paperwhite' I have flowering outdoors is doing well, and N. 'Avalanche' next to them has now come into flower.
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Great pictures of wild plants and.. animal Rafa ;D I love to see such places where nature seems to be safe !
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Rapidly approaching the end of my Narcissus season now but a couple from today:-
Narcissus 'Segovia'
N. bujei
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Last week had the heaters on in the greenhouses. Today the shading went on.
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You should be so lucky, grey, drizzle and windy all day today. Makes yer want to spit! ;D
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Rafa, amazing pictures of these natural habitats! your "assistant" seems to like it :)
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You should be so lucky, grey, drizzle and windy all day today. Makes yer want to spit! ;D
Be careful which direction David (remembers scene in "Captains Courageous").
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Can someone ID this one for me please. It is growing in a neighbours garden and I would like to acquire some.
30-35cm tall with between three and six flowers on each stem.
Hi Michael,
it looks to me like the hybrid between N.tazetta and N,jonquilla known as N. intermedius. If it is it's a vigorous one, at least in our garden -I wish I could bring you some!
cheers
fermi
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Be careful which direction David (remembers scene in "Captains Courageous").
;D ;D ;D
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Hi Michael,
it looks to me like the hybrid between N.tazetta and N,jonquilla known as N. intermedius. If it is it's a vigorous one, at least in our garden -I wish I could bring you some!
Thanks Fermi.
cheers
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Can anyone identify this Narcissus? t was in the garden when we arrived. It has a similar slender form and habit to N. 'Thalia' but has a yellow trumpet.
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Two wild hybrids
Top: ‘Narcissus x ubriquensis’
N. cordubensis x N. triandrus pallidulus. Divisions from Mike Salmon’s original collection (MS434/1); Spain, Ubrique. This name is not recognised by either Blanchard or Kew; ‘Daffseek’ regard it as a synonym for N. x incurvicervicus.
A gift from Kurt Vickery
Bottom: Narcissus x incurvicervicus
N. fernandesii x N. triandrus cernuus.
No data
A gift from Anne Wright
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Can anyone identify this Narcissus? t was in the garden when we arrived. It has a similar slender form and habit to N. 'Thalia' but has a yellow trumpet.
Forgot to mention: only one flower per stem, unlike N. 'Thalia'
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Some more of mine in flower
Narcissus calcicola from Melvyn
Narcissus ' Harry' from Melvyn
Narcissus triandus
Narcissus pallidiflorus
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A nice collection Tony. Do you know anything about Narcissus 'Harry'?
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Gerry no information,only that Melvyn gave it to me.
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Narcissus rupicola subsp. watieri grown outdoors here in Kent. I read that it is a snow-melt species so grew it like the specie Tulips.
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Lovely full flowered watieri, Ralph. That is the form we grow and used to exhibit. There is another form around with rather pinched and twisted petals that I do not find attractive. You can see a large pot of that in the Perth Show pages.
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Narcissus alpestris
Spain, Aragon, Castejón de Sos.
A gift from Tony Willis
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just some new flowers
1. Narcissus triandrus ssp. triandrus - from N.W. Spain
2. Narcissus bulbocodium - the giant form from the south of Bordeaux
3. Narcissus bulbocodium (citrinus) - also a large lemon coloured form
4. + 5. A very dwarf bulbocodium with an 'obesus' look - thankfully received from Rafa
Gerd
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Gerry very nice it obviously likes you.
Mine are now flowering
Narcissus alpestris the yellow form
Narcissus alpestris ,the lower altitude one from near Casteljon de Sos which has narrower trumpets than the one I have shown earlier from Cerler
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Gerry very nice it obviously likes you.
I hope so Tony. The feeling is mutual & I hope for a long-term relationship.
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I love the very freestyle petals on the yellow form.
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Narcissus rupicola
Narcissus 'Beebop'. Apols for the first pic of this one.
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Narcissus bulbocodium tenuifolius x triandrus
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The latter doing better than mine, David!
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In general terms my bulbocodium types and trumpets have done well this year whereas the romieuxii types were diabolical.
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Narcissus bulbocodium tenuifolius x triandrus
That's a lovely one David 8)
These bulbocodium x triandrus hybids are very special I think. Years ago I bought a x cazorlanus which turned out to be heavily virussed. Not having the heart to bin it I planted it well away from the rest, where it continues to multiply gently. However I must look out for clean stock.
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Narcissus bulbocodium
Received from Monocot several years ago as N. obesus (MS451). I’ve been suspicious of its identity for some time - the corona never seemed right - though this scalloping only appeared two years ago. Very odd.
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Narcissus bulbocodium
Received from Monocot several years ago as N. obesus (MS451). I’ve been suspicious of its identity for some time - the corona never seemed right - though this scalloping only appeared two years ago. Very odd.
But pretty.
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I agree. I think you got a better plant than you expected.
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I agree. I think you got a better plant than you expected.
Yes but, pedant that I am, I would like to know what it is.
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Lovely form Gerry. Maybe it would be worth trying Kurt Vickery to see if he can place it within the former Monocot collection.
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Lovely form Gerry. Maybe it would be worth trying Kurt Vickery to see if he can place it within the former Monocot collection.
Thanks David - Kurt & I are in contact. He describes it as "atypical" (for MS 451); perhaps a hybrid.
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I suspect then you can call it what you like, and you'll definitely know what it is. ;D Certainly worth space on any show bench.
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I agree, very distinctive and pretty scalloping.
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I've only quite recently noticed scalloping on N. bulbocodium & I wonder how common it is; I see no mention of it in Blanchard. Slight scalloping is visible on Gerd's plant from Landes (Reply 300 above). Looking back at my own pics of MS451 I now see signs of it in 2010 (posted here) but not nearly as pronounced as last year & this.
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Of course, Narcissus romieuxii 'Joy Bishop' has delightful and persistent scalloping - but scalloping in cantabricus forms seems to be more unusual and, we think, less consistent. It seems that occasional flowers ill exhibit this feature, but it s not repeated reliably year on year.
Ian speculates that it may be something climate-related. ???
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A beautiful form Gerry 8)
Last ones here:
Narcissus bulbocodium graellsii
N. x cazorlanus x rozeirae ?
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Ashley, terrific pictures in your visit to Cazorla. Sorry for the delay comenting your posts, the species you picture as N. triandrus is also the subsp. pallidulus. The rest are correctly labeled (depending on which taxonomy you follow).
I think the picture you show as N. x cazorlanus could be N. x rozeirae (N. bulbocodium subsp. bulbocodium x N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus). N. x cazorlanus rarely have this yellow pigment, almost pale, like N. x montielanus.
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Thanks Rafa. Would you say that this one (http://daffnet.org/?p=77647) on Daffnet is probably wrong too then, but that this one (http://daffnet.org/?p=77728) looks right?
Unfortunately my plant is virussed so I must get rid of it as soon as I can find a clean replacement. However it does quite well in the garden.
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Yes, the second one from Prof. Theo Sanders is the correct plant. There are many people that considered N. x cazorlanus and N. x montielanus are the same, but to me N. hedraeanthus and N. blancoi are different species.
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3 wild forms of Narcissus poeticus and a cultivated one.
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Those are very beautiful Giles. Do you know the provenance of the wild forms?
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Gerry,
I got them from Ron Scamp (Quality Daffodils) and Walkers Bulbs (Taylors).
I assume they have all been available in the trade for a long time, so original provenance probably deep into disant past.