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Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: fermi de Sousa on February 28, 2013, 07:35:03 AM
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This could also go in the "I'm so Happy" Thread; 2 and a half years ago I got some Habranthus robustus seed from Cris in Portugal and today the first flower opened ;D
It was a cool morning so the bloom wasn't fully out but I wanted to get a pic to post, so here it is
cheers
fermi
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Good growing Fermi
you must be professional by doing it in two years ;D
Roland
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Fermi, they must receive abundant watering while in flower.
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Fermi, they must receive abundant watering while in flower.
I've made sure this one does ;D
But the ones in the garden (with a few exceptions) have to rely on what falls from the sky
cheers
fermi
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After an inch of rain last week the rain-lilies are out in force!
Habranthus tubispathus
" " "Roseus"
" martinezii
" robustus 'Russell Manning'
" martinezii x 'Russell Manning' (own cross)
cheers
fermi
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Lots more!
2 x Zephyranthes 'Grandjax'
2 x Zephyranthes primulina
Zephyranthes fosteri - I presume - the label is long gone!
cheers
fermi
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This is the "commercial form" of the Habranthus martinezii x H. robustus which I got ages ago but doesn't flower as much as our own hybrid [see reply #4]. Another seedling from the cross took 6 years to bloom - on Sunday! - but I didn't take a pic, in my opinion the one I showed earlier is the better flower but this commercial form is darker than either of them.
cheers
fermi
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A zephyranthes hybrid "ex Bangkok Yellow" received as seed from Chris in Bulgaria;
Ditto - top view;
Zephyranthes 'Ajax'
a stray! -possibly Z. flavissima [now identified by Alberto as Cooperia smallii],
cheers
fermi
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Fantastic images, Fermi.
Fosteri, primulina and 'Grandjax' normally flower in October.
The flavissima is one of the yellow Cooperias, jonesii or smallii.
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Fosteri, primulina and 'Grandjax' normally flower in October.
Hi Alberto,
here they seem to be mainly Feb - April depending on when the rain falls.
The flavissima is one of the yellow Cooperias, jonesii or smallii.
I've had C. smallii before and I wonder how this one got to be here - but it's a recently "renovated" bed so it could've been moved here or been hidden under the shrub that used to be here!
Any idea on this one? The nearest label was broken and says"Habrant...brachya...."
Now identified by Roland as Zephyranthes drummondii
cheers
fermi
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Hi Fermi, congratulations, I'm realy happy to see that flower :D :D :D
It's always an emotion to see that our seeds were so well cared!
All the other flowers are amazing, that clump of H. tubispathus is just incredible to see :o :D
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Zephyranthes 'Ajax' is producing another flush of flowers!
cheers
fermi
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Zephyranthes 'Ajax' is producing another flush of flowers!
cheers
fermi
From this, and from other floriferous clumps of bulbs you've been showing us, Fermi, I'd say you are certainly getting a good deal from all these flowers. It's a pleasure to see them.
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I'm glad you like them, Maggi.
I guess they grow for us the way cool climate plants like Corydalis grow for you - but we have to do the cross-pollinating ourselves ;D
cheers
fermi
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This is not true, Maggi, he is too modest. He grows them to perfection and several are not easy at all.
Fermi, the one in your picture looked canary yellow as smallii and jonesii. Not crystal white as drummondi, traubi or pedunculata.
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Fermi you certainly have a wonderful collection.
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Zephyranthes guatemalensis finally blooming. This came from I.B.S. by way of Charles Gorenstein in about 1997. It never bloomed until I moved it to a larger pot a couple years back.
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Jim
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Is it aa huge flower, Jim? This is one of the largest.
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Here is a picture of a Zephyranthes grown from seed labelled as Z. atamasco var treatiae, the pictures on the web do not support this. Could anyone tell me which it is please?
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I'd say Habranthus tubispathus Brian, nice but not what you wanted.
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Thanks Ashley, it is a lovely colour so I am very happy with it - and hopefully the seed labelled Habranthus tubispathus turns out to be Zephyranthes atamasco var treatiae and it was all an error in my labelling!
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And Zephyranthes grandiflora . (not sure he is in the right topic?)
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And Zephyranthes grandiflora . (not sure he is in the right topic?)
From Mexico and Central America, I think - so a near neighbour of South America ;) ...... now moved to this "rain-lily" thread.
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From Mexico and Central America, I think - so a near neighbour of South America ;) ...... now moved to this "rain-lily" thread.
Thanks Maggi !
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Only 8 months after I posted its pic Zephyranthes primulina is in flower again (albeit not the same plant but from the same batch of seedlings)
cheers
fermi
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Here is an out-of-season bloom on Zephyranthes guatemalensis, probably in response to having been cruelly un-potted, separated, and finally re-potted.
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This is not a prolific producer of seeds, but makes a few when self-pollinated. These seeds are not very fertile and the rare seedlings don't live long. I think I need another clone to out-pollinate if I want good seeds -- which I do. This also suggests to me that this species is not dependent on apomixis for its reproduction.
There is now a Rain Lily bench in my larger greenhouse, and the black tubes are the drip irrigation system.
Jim
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The rain-lilies are starting again - already!
Habranthus tubispathus in a couple of colour forms,
cheers
fermi
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Again, to Jim, is it a very large flowered plant? Because, guatemalensis is one of the two mammoth flowered species. This is enough to ID it.
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Again, to Jim, is it a very large flowered plant? Because, guatemalensis is one of the two mammoth flowered species. This is enough to ID it.
Looking down on the flower, full face-on, it is in a pot that is 13 cm (ca. 5.25 inches) square. The flower itself is still blooming but as it ages and as we now have cloudy skies, it is no longer opening fully. Measuring the photo, it looks like the flower is 10.4 cm in diameter across the face. This one is blooming far out of season and was just recently repotted, so this may not be completely typical behavior. The original bulb came from people in the International Bulb Society who generally knew what they were doing where bulbs were concerned but most of whom are now deceased.
Without human or insect intervention, there seem to be no seeds formed. This clone is poorly fertile when self-pollinated, giving only a few seeds, very few of which even germinate and essentially none of which survive.
Jim
Jim
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Well, this is the confirmation that it is the real thing, exceedingly rare in cultivation. A tropical species, it has been disappearing from collections over the years. The problem with such plants it is that they demand warmish winter dormancy.
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Well, this is the confirmation that it is the real thing, exceedingly rare in cultivation. A tropical species, it has been disappearing from collections over the years. The problem with such plants it is that they demand warmish winter dormancy.
I have the hope that we could produce fertile seeds if I could get a different clone of this species. I keep at least one pot of it in my warm (temp > 10°C) greenhouse over winter. All my bulbs are clonal descendants of one single original bulb from I.B.S. I would happily trade one for a different clone of this species -- one not descended from the I.B.S. stock.
Jim
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Pollen production and fertilization is far more succesful in a hot climate. Hence the zephyranthes success in Indonesia. They must remember their original tropical habitat eons ago.
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Pollen production and fertilization is far more succesful in a hot climate. Hence the zephyranthes success in Indonesia. They must remember their original tropical habitat eons ago.
...and Z. guatemalensis is after all still a tropical plant. Our summers can be almost tropical here, hot with warm, humid nights, but our winters are definitely not tropical.
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Your current interest in preserving this and other rare species makes me think of the tremendous damage to wild plants by Facebook and other sites through which the trade of threatened plants to end in the hands of stupid ignorant amateurs is a major force nowadays.
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There is not the slightest doubt that this is true. Facebook and eBay together have hugely facilitated exploitation of wild populations. Forty years ago, unless you knew Len Doran (I did) you could not get the rare and unusual species of Hippeastrum. Unless you knew Thad Howard and Marcia Wilson (nee Clint) you did not get the unusual rain lilies they were discovering.
I'll be happiest if we can find seeds and offsets of these rare plants already in someone's collections.
Jim
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Yes, I knew Len and my rainlilies from Mexico all came from Thad and from Marcia, which was a fabulous person. She had a peculiar voice, like that of Mahalia Jackson's. Many years after she passed away, I got in contact with her son who was a grown man by then, through someone in the web that had mentioned my name and it was both sad to remember her and sweet to learn news of her children she loved so much. She was a heavy smoker and had a premature dead, which is very sad for us all, as her work with the rainlilies was fantastic.
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Fermi just for my own interest when did you have rain last and how long did they flower before rain?
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Fermi just for my own interest when did you have rain last and how long did they flower before rain?
Hi Pat,
they usually flower a few days after it rains.
We had 10 mm Tuesday night and these pics were taken on Sunday,
cheers
fermi
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I bet you get rain in the next day or two too Fermi
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Jim Shields is seeking Rain Lilies - see http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11083.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11083.0)
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Jim Shields is seeking Rain Lilies - see http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11083.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11083.0)
Thanks very much, Maggi, for mentioning this. I am looking for species, not hybrids. I don't want to deal with hybrids, at least not until I get a good handle one the species. There seem to be a lot more species now that when I last collected rain lilies about 25 years ago. I'm also looking for PDF files of papers describing those new species over the past 25 years. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'll have stuff to trade in the next couple of years. Right now it's much to cold here to ship tender bulbs.
Jim
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I posted a pic of this in March and it's in flower again - in fact it flowered a week ago as you can see a seed-pod already formed,
Habranthus (?robustus) 'Russell Manning',
cheer
fermi
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I just got a package of seeds from Mauro. Christmas came 2 days late this year!
Jim
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I am waiting on one from Chileflora, I decided to ration myself -so none from Mauro this Christmas :-\
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I am waiting on one from Chileflora, I decided to ration myself -so none from Mauro this Christmas :-\
Peter, that's no fun.
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well I did buy an auxiliary Xmas pressie today from Japan ;) not quite a rain lily but still American Amaryllidacea