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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Melvyn Jope on February 02, 2013, 02:12:34 PM
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A very small but beautiful C.biflorus (I think) from Turkey, thank you Arthur.
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A very small but beautiful C.biflorus (I think) from Turkey, thank you Arthur.
Looks like Crocus pestalozzae. What is colour of stigma?
Janis
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Thank you Janis, the colour of the stigma is orange.
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Thank you Janis, the colour of the stigma is orange.
Then it is pestalozzae.
Janis
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A very small but beautiful C.biflorus (I think) from Turkey, thank you Arthur.
It's a beauty for sure. My first thought was C danfordiae. To me it does not look so much like pestalozzae which should also have the dark stain at the base of each anther.
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It's a beauty for sure. My first thought was C danfordiae. To me it does not look so much like pestalozzae which should also have the dark stain at the base of each anther.
You are right, it is danfordiae. Pestalozzae allways has black stain at base of anthers. When I put my comment I wanted to ask you for inside picture, but...
Now I enlarged your picture and pattern of petals colour is different, too. Sorry for mistake.
Janis
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Today we have outside only minus 3 C, so I opened cover on crocuses to check autumn crocuses and their leaves. A lot still tried to bloom under cover. I took off flowers from laevigatus, boryi, melantherus, caspius, hadriaticus, aleppicus and few others. At present plantings looks better than last year. Much less mould on plants, but it took some hours to check them all. Most difficult is to find specimens where some part of flower tube left and now it is covered by botrytis or Fusarium nivale. Spring crocuses still are sleeping. Even alatavicus and korolkowii didn't show shoots. From michelsonii only cultivar ODYSSEY showed tips of shoots and one of Iranian biflorus stocks, too. Not bad! Still at least month of real winter here ahead. By weather broadcast temperature must to drop to minus 25 C.
Janis
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Thank you Tony and Janis for advising on its identity.
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Warmer here than in Latvia! Debatable whether this is a good thing or not as all the Spring flowering spp. are coming through and flowering now on etiolated stems as Winter light is so poor (in my garden, anyway).
A couple of non-etiolated ones from yesterday: C. cvijicii (I removed some dead flowers but obviously left one, sorry!) and C. adanensis.
Alex
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P.S. Janis, is there any news on when your catalogue will be out?
Thanks,
Alex
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Alex,
I like your potful C. adanensis 8)
First crocus buds springing up in my meadow, too. But no sunshine to open them.
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P.S. Janis, is there any news on when your catalogue will be out?
Thanks,
Alex
Hope that it will come out next week. Now you can receive only text part as word document by special request. I had surgical treatment on my right hands palm (Dipidren disease/viking finger) and it was not easy to work on computer and I lost my line at printing company, so now I'm waiting when will be some "hole". I hope this week will start printing process.
Janis
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Nice show Alex
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Alex nice cvijicii,mine are not even through yet.
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I had surgical treatment on my right hands palm (Dipidren disease/viking finger) and it was not easy to work on computer
I hope you will be fine again soon. :)
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The glorious sunshine opened up the Crocus today ! :D
1 & 2 : Crocus alatavicus - (recognize it Art ?? ;))
3) Crocus atticus 'Stunner'
4) Crocus fleischeri from the Turkish Gulek Pass
5) Crocus gargaricus from seed from the Crocus group !
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The glorious sunshine opened up the Crocus today ! :D
1 & 2 : Crocus alatavicus - (recognize it Art ?? ;))
3) Crocus atticus 'Stunner'
4) Crocus fleischeri from the Turkish Gulek Pass
5) Crocus gargaricus from seed from the Crocus group !
Stunning Luc
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Looking good on the Riviera Luc :P
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Luc,
strange - how a litte bit of sunshine in mid winter can gladden croconuts so much ??? ::) ;D
We had snowfall overnight and more is forecasted for today :-\
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I have this as Crocus biflorus. Can anyone identify the subspecies please
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Crocus michelsonii is blooming here now, it's more than a month later than the usual.
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Crocus michelsonii is blooming here now, it's more than a month later than the usual.
They are so beautiful and so difficult to grow :( Mine just got smaller and smaller and disappeared. You obviously have not had my problems - any special treatment for this Crocus?
I am hoping that Crocus alatavicus which is nearly as beautiful will not be so challenging.
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Crocus michelsonii is blooming here now, it's more than a month later than the usual.
Lovely plant Tatsuo 8) I had the same experience as Arthur with bought plants but I have a couple of seedling which though very slow seem to be getting bigger
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They are so beautiful and so difficult to grow :( Mine just got smaller and smaller and disappeared. You obviously have not had my problems - any special treatment for this Crocus?
I am hoping that Crocus alatavicus which is nearly as beautiful will not be so challenging.
Lovely plant Tatsuo 8) I had the same experience as Arthur with bought plants but I have a couple of seedling which though very slow seem to be getting bigger
Thank you :) but sorry to hear that you both lost your C. michelsonii :(
Art, I'm hoping your C. alatavicus fits your hands ;)
Ian, I think seedlings adapt to different conditions easier than mature bulbs, good luck ;)
Then, I obtained the C. michelsonii posted above from Web Shop of Paul Christian in 2000 (Actually I didn't know other suppliers at that time :-\). On late of November, 2 small bulblets were sent from them, despite of a flowering sized bulb that I ordered. One of the bulbs disappeared soon but another one grew and put its first flower in 2003. After that the bulb started increasing year by year as pics below.
I don't do any special treatment for all crocuses... growing them with pots at sunny outside and planting in well drained soil formula but without any organic matters that makes fatal trouble in dormant season at my place. Using a balanced organic liquid fertiliser made from suger cane (3:3:2) and add some chemicals - phosphate and potassium - to it in later season. Perhaps the things are simply latitude and climate? I'm at N35° and have sunny winter. The sunbeam here is stronger than yours ;)
Crocus michelsonii:
19/01/2003
18/01/2005
30/12/2008
06/02/2011
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Thank you :) but sorry to hear that you both lost your C. michelsonii :(
Art, I'm hoping your C. alatavicus fits your hands ;)
Ian, I think seedlings adapt to different conditions easier than mature bulbs, good luck ;)
Then, I obtained the C. michelsonii posted above from Web Shop of Paul Christian in 2000 (Actually I didn't know other suppliers at that time :-\). On late of November, 2 small bulblets were sent from them, despite of a flowering sized bulb that I ordered. One of the bulbs disappeared soon but another one grew and put its first flower in 2003. After that the bulb started increasing year by year as pics below.
I don't do any special treatment for all crocuses... growing them with pots at sunny outside and planting in well drained soil formula but without any organic matters that makes fatal trouble in dormant season at my place. Using a balanced organic liquid fertiliser made from suger cane (3:3:2) and add some chemicals - phosphate and potassium - to it in later season. Perhaps the things are simply latitude and climate? We are at N35° and have sunny winter. The sunbeam here is stronger than yours ;)
Thank you Tatsuo.
12 years eh it is as I thought, it takes skill and patience as in so many things
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Tatsuo - a great success!
Here is a pic of my Crocus michelsonii - 3 bulbs thankfully received in 2008 from one of the discussants here.
Fortunately not dead, but they never increased and flowers were creeping in an unpleasant manner.
It seems to be clear what to do. I'll cultivate the bulbs outside in a plastic water plant pot, choosing
the most sunny area during the growing season. In summer I'll take the container inside in order to
give the bulbs a dry and warm resting.
I hope this will work as expected and the species is hardy enough to survive our winter temperatures.
Gerd
p.s.
the second plant on the pic is Ranunculus bullatus
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I bought one bulb of michelsonii this summer. It seems that he wan't flower this year , see only leaves for the moment...
But there are others for the moment ...Crocus baytopiorum e.g. .....
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And this Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena ....
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I have this as Crocus biflorus. Can anyone identify the subspecies please
Arthur,
your image puzzling me. You know it is impossible to identify just by image!
Nonetheless I try my best :D
-abantensis
-pulchricolor
-tauri
-rujanensis
(-atrospermus)
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Here is a pic of my Crocus michelsonii - 3 bulbs thankfully received in 2008 from one of the discussants here.
Fortunately not dead, but they never increased and flowers were creeping in an unpleasant manner.
Gerd,
why don't you bring your pot indoors and put on the window sill to open the flower?
Tatsuo,
congratulations!
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But there are others for the moment ...Crocus baytopiorum e.g. .....
Kris,
nice to see C. baytopiorum. A pity this species tends to develop elongated stems due lack of light.
The C. nubigena is lovely. 8)
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I bought 100 mixed Crocus korolkowii from Augis bulbs for €100.
The corms were large and I have planted them around the garden.
The following was obviously selected at random - I am delighted that all are the same and an outstanding colour. I will try to photograph other clumps as they develop.
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Gerd,
why don't you bring your pot indoors and put on the window sill to open the flower?
Do you think this will shorten the elongated tube of the flowers? ;)
- but, seriously. I don't believe even open flowers would look superior.
Gerd
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Do you think this will shorten the elongated tube of the flowers? ;)
- but, seriously. I don't believe even open flowers would look superior.
Gerd
Gerd, I feel with you - we suffer from lack of light here in the north. I have the same problem with both crocus and narcissus flowering at this time of year.
An advantage of bringing your pot of C. michelsonii indoor could be to get a better pollination and hopeful some seeds.
Poul
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I have this as Crocus biflorus. Can anyone identify the subspecies please
I once had a biflorus like this. It came from David Stephens ex wild many years back. Now lost. :( We labelled it biflorus ssp ? which is no help!
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Gerd, I feel with you - we suffer from lack of light here in the north. I have the same problem with both crocus and narcissus flowering at this time of year.
An advantage of bringing your pot of C. michelsonii indoor could be to get a better pollination and hopeful some seeds.
Poul
Thank you, Poul!
Indeed, collecting seeds is a reason. I'll do that immediately.
Gerd
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I have this as Crocus biflorus. Can anyone identify the subspecies please
Had some time and checked all my pictures of annulate crocuses. Single one from which I have pictures with so expressed yellow color on flower's outside base is C. atrospermus. But then seeds must be black colored. I didn't check other features, but they are not visible on picture. But it is only quick look through my picture files.
Janis
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Janis
I took this shot of the inside on a slightly warmer day.
Hope your hand continues to improve.
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Janis
I took this shot of the inside on a slightly warmer day.
Hope your hand continues to improve.
Attached 2 pictures of atrospermus, but I want accent again - seeds must be black! to confirm possible identification.
Janis
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(Dipidren disease/viking finger)
I just saw the thread.
Dupuytren's contracture (also known as morbus Dupuytren, Dupuytren's disease or palmar fibromatosis[1]) is a fixed flexion contracture of the hand where the fingers bend towards the palm and cannot be fully extended (straightened). It is an inherited proliferative connective tissue disorder which involves the palmar fascia of the hand.[2] It is named after Baron Guillaume Dupuytren, the surgeon who described an operation to correct the affliction in the Lancet in 1831.
People of Scandinavian or Northern European ancestry;[3] it has been called the "Viking disease" or "Celtic hand",[4] though it is also widespread in some Mediterranean countries (e.g., Spain and Bosnia) and in Japan;[5]
I imagine there's all kinds urban legend for possible reasons for the common names.
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(Dipidren disease/viking finger)
I just saw the thread.
Dupuytren's contracture (also known as morbus Dupuytren, Dupuytren's disease or palmar fibromatosis[1]) is a fixed flexion contracture of the hand where the fingers bend towards the palm and cannot be fully extended (straightened). It is an inherited proliferative connective tissue disorder which involves the palmar fascia of the hand.[2] It is named after Baron Guillaume Dupuytren, the surgeon who described an operation to correct the affliction in the Lancet in 1831.
People of Scandinavian or Northern European ancestry;[3] it has been called the "Viking disease" or "Celtic hand",[4] though it is also widespread in some Mediterranean countries (e.g., Spain and Bosnia) and in Japan;[5]
I imagine there's all kinds urban legend for possible reasons for the common names.
We Scots are so straightforward - we call it "tucky finger"
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We Scots are so straightforward - we call it "tucky finger"
Any excuse for not getting their hands in their pockets :P ;D
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Any excuse for not getting their hands in their pockets :P ;D
Not an 'excuse', David- its a reason - there's a difference! ::)
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A few of my recent flowerings
1.Attica from Didima 03-09
2.Attica tri-color?
3.Attica firefly CS seed 06
4.4 petalled Attica Peloponnese 03-07
5.dark form of Attica
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Jim,
nice crocus images brighten the dull days :D
Your No. 1 looks to me like a late flowering C. leavigatus (white pollen/anthers) instead of C. (sieberi ssp.) atticus.
Do you have a picture from outside markings and a closer image of the style, too?
The 4 petaled crocus is a curiosity but assume will grow normal next season again.
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Thanks Armin ; sorry , no other photo`s , Jim
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Hi everybody,
Herewith a picture of a very nice crocus!
Today in full flower...
At the same moment I received the electronic version of Janis catalogue. What coincidence!
Again very impressive. Many new and rarest bulbs again.
His last catalogue? No, I hope it will be continued together with his step-daughter Liga. Will be horrible to loose so good source of bulbs after loosing of Archibald, Ron Ratko and other famous nurseryman.
Hendrik
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Hi everybody,
Herewith a picture of a very nice crocus!
Today in full flower...
At the same moment I received the electronic version of Janis catalogue. What coincidence!
Again very impressive. Many new and rarest bulbs again.
His last catalogue? No, I hope it will be continued together with his step-daughter Liga. Will be horrible to loose so good source of bulbs after loosing of Archibald, Ron Ratko and other famous nurseryman.
Hendrik
Thanks, Rik. From where is your nubigena? My first flowers may be will come after 2-3 weeks.
Janis
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Outside deep winter, in frame a first sign of spring:
covered beds
Crocus artvinensis
'' x bornmuelleri
'' cyprius
'' hartmannianus
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Hi Udo,
Your covered beds are really impressive.
I'm very interested in your soil mixture; the white stuff in your potting soil is this perlite?
Good evening
Hendrik
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Hi Udo,
Your covered beds are really impressive.
I'm very interested in your soil mixture; the white stuff in your potting soil is this perlite?
Good evening
Hendrik
Hello Hendrik,
yes, the white pearls is perlite, around 25 % in the mix.
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Outside deep winter, in frame a first sign of spring:
covered beds
Dirk, are you wrapping cover in polyethilene?
Janis
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Dirk, are you wrapping cover in polyethilene?
Janis
Janis, this is Air cushion foil in two layers.
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Janis, this is Air cushion foil in two layers.
Thank you! I'm using glass-whool, it allows exchange of air, but isn't usable outside.
Janis
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Thanks, Rik. From where is your nubigena? My first flowers may be will come after 2-3 weeks.
Janis
Hi Janis,
I have bought this crocus from Norman Stevens in July 1995...a really good grower.
Time goes quick.
Hendrik
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warm sunny day has brought the crocuses out
Crocus bed in greenhouse
Crocus vernus from Italy Mt Amiata
Crocus etruscus from Italy Mt Amiata
Crocus candidus
Crocus sieberi from Crete
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A few more
Crocus cvijicii from Greece Mt Vermion
Crocus pelistericus from Greece Mt Kymachalan
Crcous sieberi from Greece Mt Parnassus
Crocus biflorus pulchricolor / chrysanthus natural hybrid from Turkey Ulu Dag
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A few more
Crocus cvijicii from Greece Mt Vermion
Crocus pelistericus from Greece Mt Kymachalan
Crcous sieberi from Greece Mt Parnassus
Crocus biflorus pulchricolor / chrysanthus natural hybrid from Turkey Ulu Dag
Nice show Tony neither cvijicii or pelistericus are above the soil yet here. Glad to see its not raining for once ;)
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Nice pelistericus, Tony, and that sieberi is nice and compact.
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warm sunny day has brought the crocuses out
Crocus bed in greenhouse
Crocus vernus from Italy Mt Amiata
Crocus etruscus from Italy Mt Amiata
Crocus candidus
Crocus sieberi from Crete
Absolutely stunning Tony ....I have much to learn ....
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Great show Tony !
Lots of glorious Crocus, but sieberi from Crete ... :o :o :o
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Truly inspirational, quality cultivation Tony, 8) 8) #1
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Thank you all,I find the high mountain ones relatively straightforward,just need a bit of warmth and sunshine to get them to open.
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A few 'yellows' 8).
2 x C.cvijicii
A form of C. chrysanthus
C.olivieri
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Ron very nice,you must have sun as well as me.
Some more open today
Crocus antalyensis from plants raised from Archibald seed
Crocus vernus Uklin strain a present from Ian Mc.
Crcous chrysanthus from Turkey
Crocus reticulatus from Turkey
Crocus danfordiae from Turkey
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Wonderful crocuses your show here. With me blooms a dark blue-violet Crocus biflorus ssp. adamii.
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Here the white Crocus corsicus start flowering
Crocus corsicus Corsican White
Roland
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Wonderful crocuses their shows here. With me blooms a dark blue-violet Crocus biflorus ssp. adamii.
Wow!! That really IS dark 8)
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Wonderful crocuses their shows here. With me blooms a dark blue-violet Crocus biflorus ssp. adamii.
Dark as the night, Eberhard ! Gorgeous !
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Thanks, here the tiny Crocus danfordiae in the yellow form.
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It's been cold and dull since we got back from London midweek. Here are three pictures from the one sunny day before we went.
Two forms of Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis, both delicious!
Crocus kerndorffiorum x leitchlinii. An unusual shade of blue which it inherits from Crocus leitchlinii (which I have never grown) this hybrid is pleasingly vigorous.
I have posted a pic of a new (and rather nice) seedling from Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi on my Blog from an Untidy garden thread. You'll have to look there - I don't like repeats!
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I like this hybrid, Tony, too. It is good grower and of very pleasant colour.
Janis
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A Crocus chrysanthus from Northern Greece which only opened from tight bud by bringing indoors, or can the experts please tell me if I have the wrong species?
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It's been cold and dull since we got back from London midweek. Here are three pictures from the one sunny day before we went.
Two forms of Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis, both delicious!
Crocus kerndorffiorum x leitchlinii. An unusual shade of blue which it inherits from Crocus leitchlinii (which I have never grown) this hybrid is pleasingly vigorous.
I have posted a pic of a new (and rather nice) seedling from Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi on my Blog from an Untidy garden thread. You'll have to look there - I don't like repeats!
Nice trio , Tony, like them very much
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Super crocus images from everybody 8) My meadow is still covered with snow. Nothing to show yet.
Melvyn,
very beautiful crocus but images puzzles me (you seemed to doubt too).
Form of style, style color, anthers and outside markings do not look like typical C. chrysanthus posted in the past from the region.
To me style and anthers look more like C. flavus which I personally know only the pure yellow /orange forms without outer markings but therfore I can also imagine some C. oliveri blood. I don't know if the latter is growing up to Northern Greece.
Would like to read the experts comments and thoughts.
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Armin,
I think you are right :) It is a C. flavus subsp. flavus. I have one form very close to this one just markings are shorther than!
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Thank you Armin and Ibrahim, I have just checked my notes to see where we collected the seed from and it was north of Alexandroupolis not so far from the border with Turkey. In my notes I put C.flavus?
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In my garden still is deep winter, but sun shines and in greenhouses temperature is rising. So I decided to take off winter cover and below opened fantastic flowers, which I want to show you. Opening was risky - tonight I'm going for current Crocus trip and just checked weather broadcast promissing minus 18 from 5-8th of March... Remain only to pray...
Here pictures of
Crocus ancyrensis from Tavsan Dag
Crocus atticus Bowles' White
Crocus herbertii
Crocus cyprius
Crocus hittiticus from Gulnar
Janis
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Few more pictures
Garden today and some autumn bloomers. This season winter came very early and a lot of crocuses didn't started blooming, so they did this now, below cover.
In this entry Crocus melantherus. Between those is one, which I got few years ago from John Fielding as double form. It bloomed twice with me but allways with normal, 6-patalled flowers. This season it tried to show its "double" nature - unfortunately under cover and so petals looks damaged.
Janis
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Some of Crocus laevigatus are blooming this season in spring.
One of most beautiful bloomers now is Crocus tauricus - you can see its variability. They are not hybrids, stock raised from wild collectted seeds (on Tschatir-dag, Crimea)
Janis
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At last some sun, 8).
So a few cultivars from the garden today, :)
C. 'Blue Pearl'
C. 'Cream Beauty'
C. 'Tricolor'
From the many flower buds yet to open it looks like we may have a good display from the Crocus this year, ;D
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Some of Crocus laevigatus are blooming this season in spring.
One of most beautiful bloomers now is Crocus tauricus - you can see its variability. They are not hybrids, stock raised from wild collectted seeds (on Tschatir-dag, Crimea)
Janis
I love the creamy colour one, Janis :o :P 8) What colour is inside, please?
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I love the creamy colour one, Janis :o :P 8) What colour is inside, please?
They still are in bud. Hope to see after one week.
Janis
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Janis
I like them all - fantastic variation.
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One of most beautiful bloomers now is Crocus tauricus - you can see its variability. They are not hybrids, stock raised from wild collectted seeds (on Tschatir-dag, Crimea)
Janis
Lovely tauricus Janis I have seedlings from Archibald seed and I hope they are as nice
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Janis a lovely selection and very nice to see.
Another sunny day with no rain for a week now.
Here are two Crocus scardicus , the first purchased from Pilous in 1996 and in 2008 I selfed it (I was told this was not possible) and the second picture is the first flowering of the seed I got from it that year.
Crocus pelistericus
Crocus x gothenburgensis which has turned out quite nice
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Janis a lovely selection and very nice to see.
Another sunny day with no rain for a week now.
Here are two Crocus scardicus , the first purchased from Pilous in 1996 and in 2008 I selfed it (I was told this was not possible) and the second picture is the first flowering of the seed I got from it that year.
Crocus pelistericus
Crocus x gothenburgensis which has turned out quite nice
Stunning again to see Tony . :o
Everybodys dream , everybodys favorites !
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After having a superb day at Ray Cobbs here are some tommies in his garden.
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1799_zpsb5917f98.jpg)
A stunning red in the center
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1798_zpsff6d01ab.jpg)
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1790_zpsd839f63f.jpg)
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1780_zps359547af.jpg)
Bobbo
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1777_zpsa0c50bf3.jpg)
And some others
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1806_zps10846fdd.jpg)
Crocus serberi midas touch
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1804_zps71139841.jpg)
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Janis a lovely selection and very nice to see.
Another sunny day with no rain for a week now.
Here are two Crocus scardicus , the first purchased from Pilous in 1996 and in 2008 I selfed it (I was told this was not possible) and the second picture is the first flowering of the seed I got from it that year.
Crocus pelistericus
Crocus x gothenburgensis which has turned out quite nice
Fantastic flowers, Tony ! :o :o
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The spring crocus frame looks good. Would look better if the sun would shine a bit longer!
Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi when raised from seed produces considerable variation as can be seen from this potful.
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Tony , a trio of very beautiful Crocus - unfortunately C. scardicus is not happy in Australia .
Janis ,wonderful variations in your C. tauricus . Enjoy your botanizing trip and maybe you will be lucky enough to discover a new species .
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Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi when raised from seed produces considerable variation as can be seen from this potful.
They look gorgeous, Tony !
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Still an amount of snow, but under the windows some interesting Crocus in bud.
Crocus herbertii
" sublimis' Creme Diamond'
" sieberi x gargaricus
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Most of mine are nearly over after the recent good weather.
A couple today
Crocus sieberi from Mt Parnassus
crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor from Ulu Dag
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No sun today, to open the Crocus in the garden, :(
I think I prefer C. sieberi 'Tricolor' unopened though, ;D
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Tony , a trio of very beautiful Crocus - unfortunately C. scardicus is not happy in Australia .
Janis ,wonderful variations in your C. tauricus . Enjoy your botanizing trip and maybe you will be lucky enough to discover a new species .
Thanks Otto! I found it! Three days of walk with painfull legs after winters "sleeping" but it is found!
Janis
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A warm but mostly overcast day today in SE Michigan and crocus are popping up in the yard.
Crocus etruscus "Rosalinde' was in my frame
Rimmer
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Crocus gargaricus ssp herbertii and Crocus gargaricus ssp gargaricus have been blooming for a week in my frame open to the outside temps
the Crocus gargaricus ssp. herbertii was from bought corms
the Crocus gargaricus ssp gargaricus was from seed NARGS 2008 #857
without looking at the corms i am trying to tell the difference by the flower.
i think i can say gargaricus has a wider less cup shaped flower
and herbertii is more cup shaped.
any more help? with out digging these up and seeing if one is stoleniferous
Thanks
Rimmer
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Crocus gargaricus ssp herbertii and Crocus gargaricus ssp gargaricus have been blooming for a week in my frame open to the outside temps
the Crocus gargaricus ssp. herbertii was from bought corms
the Crocus gargaricus ssp gargaricus was from seed NARGS 2008 #857
without looking at the corms i am trying to tell the difference by the flower.
i think i can say gargaricus has a wider less cup shaped flower
and herbertii is more cup shaped.
any more help? with out digging these up and seeing if one is stoleniferous
Thanks
Rimmer
Both now regarded as species - Crocus herbertii and Crocus gargaricus.
Flowers looks and are identical. Great difference in corm tunics. They are very different + herbertii is stoloniferous.
Janis