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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: steve owen on January 31, 2013, 11:32:16 AM
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Here is a nice new variety, Fieldgate Primrose Legacy, that may begin to become available in 2014, Deo volante. Pic courtesy of Gert-Jan van der Kolk. Enjoy.
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You are to early Steve
Nice flower but here it is still 31-01-2013 ;D
Roland
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I'm sure Steve did not build-up his superb collection by waiting for everybody else to catch up. He gets ahead of the game!
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That it gorgeous.
Any chance of using the photo on my web site?
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Steve is your G. 'Paddys Ketton' flowering? Stupid name but I still feel it must already be named
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That it gorgeous.
Any chance of using the photo on my web site?
Mark
Hopefully yes, I'll check and get back to you. I'll also check on Paddy's Ketton tomorrow morning.
Steve
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my two top of the drops!
Washfield Colesbourne
Peardrop
what I thought was an escaped Diggory (without a flower) in a lawn last year turned out to be this...
gracilis ex Wisley
spent an hour labeling one of the specials beds this afternoon but not warm enough to tempt them to open, for the first time in many years no losses.
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Richard - I rather like your 'lost diggory'. 8)
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bulb wasn't looking too good when I lifted it but seems to be doing ok, don't have many green tips so its nice to find a few appearing, this is another...
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Nice dark inner mark on that one Richard.
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It did look nice, got impatient so took it home to get it to open and only lasted a few days, now safely in a lattice pot.
Found several nice seedlings in the same area which I assumed were bulbs moved by bunnies and squirrels >:( whole lawn now has small canes in it marking interesting looking things.
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'Godfrey Owen' was never as perfect as this year. No slug damage and I used no pellets... :-)
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My yellow G.elwesii is increasing nicely with three flowers this year. For colour comparision I have put it next to G.angustifolius, a gift from Dimitri, very surprised to see the four petals as this is its first year flowering for me.
Still not sure about the yellow G.elwesii and feel its more curious that attractive. What do others think, should I call it Melvyn's jaundice or Melvyn's buttermilk? Showed it to Ruby Baker yesterday, her comment was 'it certainly is an interesting find and much deeper colour than G.Jonathon.
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Well done Thomas!
And Melvyn always manages to astound us.
johnw - +1c
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Melvyn, all ways we have to go in steps. Also the way to a snowdrop with yellow segments. I mean your plant is real of interest and if you would/could show us a big tuff side by side with white flowers we all would be here happy. It is very nice!
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Thomas, man könnte meinen es sind Erdsternchen, really very fine!
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Crikey Melvyn, yellow snowdrops!!!
I have to admit, I think I prefer white but what a talking point and from a collectors perspective, I can certainly see how one has to have one.
Wendy's Gold is coming along nicely. Hope to see the inner perianth very soon! :D
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Possibly because I'm a little bit colour blind, I never find myself at ease with "orange" or "yellow" snowdrops (sorry Melvyn). My basic problem is that we use the wrong terminology. To my eyes these snowdrops are off-white. Yes, white "with a hint of" yellow, or white "with a hint of" orange, as a range of Dulux paints once used to be advertised. They are undoubtedly interesting and I'm sure some are attractive but if we describe them as "yellow" or "orange" then we oversell them.
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So true Alan
for me a long discussion
What can you call white, yellow , blue or orange for example
for me the one from Melvin shows some ,just some, real yellow in it
but most names are far away from what they claim
like blue tulips or ????????????????????????
I can fill a book with stupid names
worse if a name exist , alba for example
and the plant isn't pure white , for example Cyclamen coum album
how do you name the pure white albino
well maybe a discussion for an other topic
Roland
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Melvyn - wow! 8) I am in the 'love it' group.
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When John and I saw 'Chadwick's Cream' we nearly fainted on the spot, it was so beautiful - and we still haven't got it. I think it was well named and perhaps cream or ivory is a more suitable appelation than yellow? Certainly a choice one Melvyn.
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I'm with you all the way there, Brian. Cream or ivory or buttermilk would be excellent appellations for the slightly yellow snowdrops. Although I'm not sure what you'd call the slightly orange ones that they have at Anglesey Abbey.
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My yellow G.elwesii is increasing nicely with three flowers this year. For colour comparision I have put it next to G.angustifolius, a gift from Dimitri, very surprised to see the four petals as this is its first year flowering for me.
Still not sure about the yellow G.elwesii and feel its more curious that attractive. What do others think, should I call it Melvyn's jaundice or Melvyn's buttermilk? Showed it to Ruby Baker yesterday, her comment was 'it certainly is an interesting find and much deeper colour than G.Jonathon.
Melvyn, as for me - remarquable addition to snowdrop cultivar palette! I wonder to know what the real effect is in a basis of such coloration: pigmentation, petal tissue structure?? and by which factor it was caused: genetic, physical or disease\pest impact?? Interesting to see also G. angustifolius from me flowering so early!!! I saw your mild climate may cause such aberrant flower structure and early blooming... It flowers in my garden end-February-March and I never saw on it such odd petals 8)
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I like the range of comments my plant has provoked about colour. As one who on field trips has checked thousands of cyclamen flowers against RHS colour cards and rarely finding a good match then attempting to describe a colour especially when you throw in all the variables like age and conditon of flower, light levels etc.....then in conversation with my wife knowing that we will never agree on whether something is duck egg blue or duck egg green I just assume that like beauty colour is in the eye of the beholder.
Continuing in a slightly provocative manner, do you like the orange inner marks from a photo taken this morning?
To my taste pure pristine white and green are much more attractive.
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A few Galanthus enjoying the sun today.
Rosemary Burnham.
Margery Fish
Galanthus gracilis
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Hello ,I am Cherry...........other wise known as Emma's Mum. Thought it was time to join the forum, so with Emmas help its taken an hour to get set up. We will upload a picture another time .
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Hello ,I am Cherry...........other wise known as Emma's Mum. Thought it was time to join the forum, so with Emmas help its taken an hour to get set up. We will upload a picture another time .
Hey, Cherry! You are VERY welcome. Great to "meet" you at last!
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Welcome to the forum Cherry, well done for taking the plunge and divesting yourself of the lurker hat! Hope you're better soon too.
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Welcome Cherry - I have seen you on several occasions and of course own one of your famous hats (that lady on ebay ;D)
Today I took a few shots of some plants I bought at Myddleton House last week.
1. Faith Stewart Liberty
2. Frinton Advent
3. Chequers - huge big blowsy flower. It also has another large flower coming from the same bulb
4. Gemini ex PC - also huge
5. Gemini & Chequers side by side - Chequers is on the left
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A few more
1. Tim's Hill Poe which is much bigger than the usual Hill Poe
2. The inside of Tim's Hill Poe
3. Tim's Hill Poe next to Pride 'o the Mill for comparison of size
4. Wake Up Call - a bit like me in the morning! It is a smallish double
5. gracilis 'Corkscrew' - just love the twisted foliage for a nice change of texture
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Oh Jennie, did you lose Gemini ex PC last year or are you adding to the clump - or thinking of the knife ;) I loved your picture last year so much that I got one today 8)
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Oh Jennie, did you lose Gemini ex PC last year or are you adding to the clump - or thinking of the knife ;) I loved your picture last year so much that I got one today 8)
No Brian I never lost it - just like it so much I bought another one! Certainly not confident enough to take the knife to that one yet. Also bought a second Jonathan and would have bought another Edith if there had been one. I think Gemini is gorgeous - glad you got one. Was it Harvey's today then?
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Hi Melvyn. I'll give $50 USD for * G.elwesii yellow 2. right now.
John B
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The yellow does make it interesting , im in the i like it camp too 8)
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Phew Jennie, I'm so pleased you didn't lose it....yes:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10057.msg265973#msg265973 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10057.msg265973#msg265973)
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John B.
I wouldn't wonder on ebay this one would bring a new record :o
sure TM would bid on it ;D
Roland
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I'm with you all the way there, Brian. Cream or ivory or buttermilk would be excellent appellations for the slightly yellow snowdrops. Although I'm not sure what you'd call the slightly orange ones that they have at Anglesey Abbey.
Apricot and vanilla smoothie?
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This was bought as a hybrid between koenianus and fosteri from the Wallis's. It is nice and very demure and I can see the former species but its relationship to fosteri other than it is perhaps a little greener seems only to be that it flowers at the same time as fosteri . My koenianus is yet to flower
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Galanthus Titania
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Here are a few plainer looking ones - but as Beth Chatto once said "not every plant can be a star performer - you need background plants to help them shine" - or words to that effect.
1. The Apothecary
2. By Gate
3. byzantinus ex Warham - really like this one.
4. Overhead view of Richard Ayers
5. Lodestar
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Jennie,
I was working on a bed today and came on a clump of G. 'Richard Ayres' and was taken aback at how few flowers were on the plants - good healthy plants but only a very few flowers. About a foot away I lifted the low branches of an evergreen shrub and came on a collection of old hellebore seedpods, collected and nibbled by mice and there with them was a stack of snowdrop flowers. They weren't eaten so it looks like the mouse was simply decorating its nest - a mouse with taste.
Paddy
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'Gemini ex PC', 'Timm's Hill Poe' and 'Wake up Call' are looking great Jennie, hope they grow well with you :).
Specially Gemini ex PC and Timm's Hill Poe, as snowdrops with large flowers are my favourite.
Last year I did become 'Pat Mason', a stunner also !! Almost flowering overhere.
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Jennie how does gracilis Cockscrew differ from Highdown?
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Paddy - are you sure it was mice and not fairies :). I don't know why Ireland makes me think of fairies.....maybe watched too much River Dance! (No - not Michael Flatley ;) - there was a young girl dressed as a fairy and playing a flute)
On a serious note - has anyone ever had the flower buds of Hellebores snap off/eaten off? When I trimmed back the leaves a few weeks ago there was a multitude of young buds on the ground around the plants?
Snowdrop collector ....lucky you. Pat Mason remains on my wish list for another year.
Richard ....my Highdown from you are not flowering this year so I cannot compare the flowers but Corkscrew has much twistier foliage. I really like all gracilis and was so happy when I spotted this one at Myddleton House.
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Jennie I had hundreds of hellebores in pots with flowers & buds nipped off a few years ago, can only assume it was mice as the plants were in a poly tunnel with the doors kept closed, still find them regularly, they also go after my chillis though not the habs, wimps ;D
Always liked Highdown because its early and very vigorous here, starting to get a few more now so will keep an eye out for corkscrew.
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Apricot and vanilla smoothie?
Mango Lassie! :P
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About a foot away I lifted the low branches of an evergreen shrub and came on a collection of old hellebore seedpods, collected and nibbled by mice and there with them was a stack of snowdrop flowers. They weren't eaten so it looks like the mouse was simply decorating its nest - a mouse with taste.
Paddy - are you sure it was mice and not fairies :). I don't know why Ireland makes me think of fairies.....maybe watched too much River Dance! (No - not Michael Flatley ;) - there was a young girl dressed as a fairy and playing a flute)
Paddy - fascinating.
Jennie - being in Ireland surely it would be leprechauns.
Paddy - I'd have another check under that shrub if I were you to see if there is any gold under there too. ;D
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Jennie and Richard, I always think that Highdown form is really petite and upright whilst corkscrew is perhaps a larger plant and the foliage really can swirl quite dramatically when seen from a standing position, but perhaps its where they are grown?
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Brian and Richard - looking at the foliage of Highdown next to Corkscrew I saw that Highdown has much thinner almost grass-like foliage and Corkscrew has flatter, wider and thinner leaves which are twisted. As you said Brian....they swirl around closer to the ground (in my case pot at the moment).
I now have gracilis, gracilis large ovary, Highdown, Corkscrew and Yamanlar - so now on the look out for Vic Horton. Are there any other desirable gracilis cultivars?
Will take foliage photos tomorrow.
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Jennie - Have you found Yamanlar hard to grow? It didn't stick around here long.
johnw
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Are there any other desirable gracilis cultivars?
Ronald Mackenzie?
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Giant gracilis ex-Curtis - the biggest gracilis in the universe.
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John W - only had Yamanlar a season and it is ok so far....hope I don't lose it as I really like that one.
John F - don't talk to me about 'Ronald Mackensie' - it was a petit pois sized bulb and a no show this year :'(
Steve - that huge gracilis ex-Curtis sounds lovely - will add to my wish list! Have you a photo of it?
So far no show on Witchwood & Ronald Mackensie but Margaret Biddulph has sent up a weeny grass like leaf...Yipppeee. Have a few other no shows but I am trying not to think about them till mid Feb.
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Giant gracilis ex-Curtis - the biggest gracilis in the universe.
I'd also be interested to see a photo of this giant gracilis (and suggestions re where it's obtainable if possible). I use gracilis a lot in my hyridising and am always on the lookout for good gracilis to use as seed and pollen parents. I find most gracilis difficult to keep going (perhaps because they tend to have small bulbs and are easily exhausted by making them produce seed pods year after year, so am always keen to get hold of bulbs of all the various forms to ensure continued supplies of pollen and seed parents for back-crossings etc.
In short I'm always overjoyed to hear from anyone with spare bulbs of pretty much any of the gracilis forms.
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I have been trying to post photos of this flower for Uli and others for the last two months but the forum is not cooperating. This is the X-marked G. elwesii that I was given by a customer in spring 2012. Investigation revealed that it was selected from straight species G. elwesii growing at the US Botanic Garden in Washington, DC. I received a clump of 26 varying sized bulbs which I separated and planted individually. All 26 came up in November/December 2012, and 12 are blooming starting on December 18, 2012 (first photo). All 12 are still in full bloom right now despite the intervening and long-lasting cold temperatures, down to 5 degrees F (-15 C), with no snow cover. I think the X is one of the best I have seen. I have some other photos I wanted to show but the site won’t accept more than one even though I reduced the size.
Enjoy, Carolyn
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Hi, have finally joined, after much elbowing from Mark Smyth! Thought I'd try to load some pics of some of what's flowering in Plymouth. Fingers crossed I do this ok!
Angelique
Chequers
Diggory
Ding-dong
Erway
edited to show photo names in text -to allow search engine to locate them.
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Well Jan welcome here
Mark always has good ideas
nice start
Love the Diggory
always a nice shape when they open
Roland
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Here's a few more. Trymposter x two are both white though! Does this happen or is it not what I think?
Gerard Parker
Melanie Broughton
Trymposter
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Welcome Jan, always good to have new blood on the forum. Some nice pictures too, thanks.
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I have been trying to post photos of this flower for Uli and others for the last two months but the forum is not cooperating. I have some other photos I wanted to show but the site won’t accept more than one even though I reduced the size.
Oh, Carolyn, I think your characterisation of the the forum being 'uncooperative' is rather unfair. It is more likely to be your connection that has had cut-outs or time lags that cause the system to reject your photos. If there are interruptions to any download this is likely to happen.
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Here's a few more. Tryposter x two are both white though! Does this happen or is it not what I think?
Welcome Jan - were your Trymposters from different sources? Unfortunately bulbs like Trym, Trymlet etc can lose their markings when chipped - best to buy in flower or from a source that check flowers are true before sale.
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I was delighted to see Selborne Greentips with a twin flower - I didn't know it did this before the mention of it on the forum last month.
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Hi, have finally joined, after much elbowing from Mark Smyth! Thought I'd try to load some pics of some of what's flowering in Plymouth. Fingers crossed I do this ok!
Your Plymouth garden's obviously looking good, Jan! Welcome!
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I have been trying to post photos of this flower for Uli and others for the last two months but the forum is not cooperating.
Carolyn I have found that timing is one of the key things, when lots of people are accessing the forum or lots are using your isp link it can be slow, so I always have my photos ready to post and type the words in the 'Post reply' box then copy them, close the box and start again, pasting the words instantly so the only thing taking time is adding the pictures. It seems to help, and if all else fails, I do it an hour or so later. Hope that helps and might work for you :)
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I was delighted to see Selborne Greentips with a twin flower
A mature clump can look fantastic, very floriferous 8)
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Hello JanB,
my warm welcome to you.
In German we would say "a hot start" with a gallery of fine pics.
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I was delighted to see Selborne Greentips with a twin flower - I didn't know it did this before the mention of it on the forum last month.
Somewhere I read that it usually had them and was disappointed that mine had not. Happily this year one plant had twin bells. An excellent snowdrop and not so expensive.
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Tryposter x two are both white though! Does this happen or is it not what I think?
I have stared and stared at the picture (the third one labelled " SRGC-g.-trymposter.jpg") but I cannot see any white ones. Can you clarify your question, for my benefit, Jan.
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Hello JanB,
my warm welcome to you.
In German we would say "a hot start" with a gallery of fine pics.
Hagen
Wie sagt man "a hot start"?
johnw
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Ja JohnW, ein heißer Start.
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This is the X-marked G. elwesii that I was given by a customer in spring 2012. Investigation revealed that it was selected from straight species G. elwesii growing at the US Botanic Garden in Washington, DC.
Carolyn - A lovely looking drop, and obviously very hardy!
Chris
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February the 4th and already 5 pages!
Bit of sunshine today so i was able to take some pics.
The snowdrop with a face i found 2 years ago is still showing the same face! I will take a better pic later this week because there was sun but lots of wind!
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February the 4th and already 5 pages!
Yes, but we did jump the gun!
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I too have looked at the Trymposter and cannot see any whites.
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my two new ones before going to their new homes, sunny day but cold wind kept everything else closed.
pl. Gerard Parker
pl. Lambrook Greensleeves
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Hi, have finally joined, after much elbowing from Mark Smyth!
Happy to have pushed you in the right direction
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my two new ones before going to their new homes, sunny day but cold wind kept everything else closed.
pl. Gerard Parker
pl. Lambrook Greensleeves
Lambrook Greensleeves is a new one to me - very nice. I can see why you got that one.
Chris
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Alan, I was having a senior moment there, it's not Trymposter I was on about, but it's now too dark to get a pic so will try tomorrow. Think it was Trymming!
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Welcome JanB - nice clumps :)
I went to take photos today but just could not resist the urge to pull out a few 'no show' lattice pots and check their contents. This is what I found:
Ron Mackenzie (it was very tiny and I wish I had not planted it)....... Gone / dead / no more
Quatrefoil ( another tiny unflowered bulb ) ......not a sign/ dead
Kildare ( had a shoot but no flower last year)..... Nothing in the pot
Ransom 's Dwarf ( second year not showing) .....nothing in the pot
Danube Star.....(naturally small bulb)......nothing in the pot :'( :'(
Greenish...(was 3 bulbs).....nothing in the pot :-*
Erway....(flowered last year).....the bulb was there but no roots....will investigate tomorrow
Witchwood...(was a very tiny bulb).....found the bulb it has a teeny shoot and one tiny root. Don't know what to do with it as it looks so fragile and vulnerable.....and rare! It is really tiny and it would have definitely rotted as the pot was wringing wet. I have it in sharp sand at present.
Walrus.....found a tiny tiny bulb....the main one must have rotted away
Angelique not showing AGAIN and this is my 3rd or even 4th attempt
Not a good day. I sifted the soil from the pots for hours. Kept getting my hopes up finding pieces of grit that might be a bulb ??? I came in and went to bed to forget about them. Just woke up and they were straight on my mind. So i am sharing with people who understand ! Feel a bit better now ;)
I have made my mind up to never put a small bulb in a lattice pot again. I have to rethink my planting methods/techniques. Tomorrow is another day.
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You have my sympathies, Jennie.
Could you be planting your snowdrops in an area that is just too wet? Snowdrops always seem to do well on banks and banks always give good drainage. Snowdrops can tolerate wet during the growing season but not, I think, when they are dormant. Another option, although it's a lot of work, is to create raised beds. Snowdrops display very well in raised beds because you don't have to bend down so far to see them. Not that I am by any means an expert in growing snowdrops well, I have lost my fair share including some that I found so that were unique to my garden. But I think I'm getting to know what the problems in my locale are, and I have some ideas for how to overcome them.
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Oh Jennie, no wonder you were upset.
Do you have any ideas why you had these problems? I was expecting significant losses this year as the summer was so wet, but when I dug up the lattice pots in the summer they were bone dry. There are lots of trees on the margins of the garden and they do a good job of removing the summer moisture from the soil. One or two of mine look a bit weak but no loses as such.
As Alan says the first thing that comes to mind is the drops being too wet during dormancy. Did you have many lattice pots in the same area with drops that survived and are now growing well?
Chris
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Jennie, what a shame - I feel for you. I always put very tiny bulbs bought in into clay pots and plunge them in my shaded glasshouse, but not everyone has one of those. Last year, being short of space in there, I put lots of young chipped ones into baskets, but plunged in sand in my covered frame where I can control the watering. I let them dry out a bit before repotting and it makes that process a much cleaner and easier job. All my bulbs are in a layer of sharp sand in the pot/basket as well. Using trichoderma seems to help against fungal diseases.
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thank you all for the lovely welcome. 'Push' Mark, you? Never lols.
Well infact I was talking about Trymming, bought one bulb, which has now got a new one, both are white.
Maggi, also included a shot of my garden, looking good at the mo, drops, helebores, which hazel, acontites and all covered by my tree fern in full green fronds still not damaged and looking lovely.
H.mollis pallida behind the tree fern.
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Jan my Trymming hasn't yet flowered, but I would be surprised if that is the right snowdrop! Perhaps someone with an earlier flowering garden can tell you for sure. As far as I recall it has a short fat receptacle (ovary) and short fat petals with the green mark :-\
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Jennie, that's a lot of disappointment :(
agree with Alan that raised beds/banks are the way forward, my own slightly raised old veg beds have suffered with the wet this year, they were fine when first converted but haven't been dug now for 5 years, although lattice pots help i doubt even they will help with such wet conditions.
I'm currently doing a lot of rescuing & replanting bulbs so if I do start thinking long term I will be looking at double digging the beds and replanting everything or making a new area along a wall with sleepers, the banks I've been planting in the last 5 years are proof enough for me that good drainage is vital.
That said I removed 20+ lady Beatrix Stanley bulbs from a bank yesterday which hadn't made any roots, only a foot away from a thriving clump, sometimes I get the feeling they do it deliberately.
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Welcome JanB :)
Oh Jennie, so sorry for your terrible losses :( It can be quite polar at times this gardening malarky, total euphoria to utter devastation. But hopefully the good days far out way the bad ones. Raised beds does seem to be a good option, they're the future!
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Merciful heavens, Jan! A tree fern in full frond in February! What next? (Icy winds and snow again here.......)
The tales of losses are depressing. Especially whole plantings. :o
At least with the bad weather here I am not tempted to go prospecting for growth yet - better to delay any possible disappointment, I reckon.
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Really sorry to hear about the loses Jennie - I know just how you are feeling. I spotted virus here again on 3 plants yesterday and it really put me on a downer. :'(
Re lattice pots - my aunt tried them about 6 years ago and she decided they didn't work for her too. Here they seem to work well.
But to cheer me up, and hopefully to put a smile on your face too, I took some pics of healthy plants and tried to forget the bad news.
1 - 'Green Light'
2 - 'Jade'
3 - 'Hoverfly'
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And 3 more.
1 - 'Margaret Biddulph'
2 - 'Trimmer'
3 - 'Elizabeth Harrison'
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Hey John,
not only one fine gem, you have a whole treasure in your garden. All look very healthy.
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All look very healthy.
Thanks Hagen
I just hope I can keep them healthy!
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Lovely snowdrops John.
Some photos taken of snowdrops in the sunshine last Saturday.
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Mike - I love it when snowdrops do something a little odd - there was a thread on 'anomalies' a year or three back - your 4 petal Wendys is just the sort of thing I get excited to spot.
'Big Boy' - wow. 8) I was given a very kind gift of a 'Big Boy' by a very kind 'lurker' a few years back and it went and got bloody munched by a Narcisus Fly in its first season! :'(
Great to see it looking so happy with you.
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cold wind keeping everything closed :( so took a few of clumps instead, which always look nice anyway.
gracilis Highdown
Lady Beatrix Stanley
Headbourne
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Jennie - I don't know if it will console you, but when I started growing snowdrops I was given 3 or 4 popular varieties. 'S. Arnott' grew very well and I decided to split it after flowering and replant to get a really good drift - 80 plus nice bulbs, next year not a single one appeared! When you see gardens full of snowdrops I think there must be many tales of woe behind them. That's a great reason for having snowdrop parties and exchanging plants, and seeing how others grow them too.
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John, wow! :o
really don't know where I would grow most of those, would need an armed guard.
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Thanks for your comments John.
The Wendy's Gold flower in the background that's a bit out of focus is now showing 4 petals as well.
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Things looking good with you, Mike- smart Leucojum and that pinky hellebore is a good foil for the 'drops.
Tell the truth, now- you stuck every one of those perfect spotty petals onto that double by superglue, didn't you? :D ;)
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Not sure if it works
but a friend posted this one
maybe better you close your eyes Maggie
And yes Autumn and winter snowdrops grow perfect with Helleborus
Roland
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379339_10151525451186177_1176064608_n.jpg
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It is lovely isn't it? And Big Boy is a beauty.
Here's an assortment of the seedlings from Wendy's Gold x Lutescens, with Wendy in there to compare. I don't know why more people don't try some simple crosses, it's very rewarding. I'm working on the video of pollination etc but when we'd nearly finished editing it, it vanished off the computer >:( so having to start again.
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There's no pulling the tartan over your eyes is there Maggi??
Every single petal placed by my own fare hand ;D
Interesting project Anne, I'll be looking more closely at your pics now I've responded to Maggi.
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Hi Roland, our beautiful plants continue to amaze us don't they?
Mike
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Mike - I love it when snowdrops do something a little odd - there was a thread on 'anomalies' a year or three back - your 4 petal Wendys is just the sort of thing I get excited to spot.
I've just noticed that she has 5 inners as well as 4 outers.
I know it is just a one off for this year only - but still great to see. 8)
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Well in fact I was talking about Trymming, bought one bulb, which has now got a new one, both are white.
Jan
Trymming should look like the pic below.Might be worth going back to the person who supplied you, especially if you paid good money for it.
Also, pics of Gracilis ex-Curtis for people who asked. Tried including a ruler but not terribly clear - it's about ten inches tall.
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Yes Mike
I love them
In a few years I will have loads of them with Galanthus
When the first drops arrive I cut the leaves from The Helleborus
It will be a fantastic view the two together
a small test last year showed that it worked well
when the drops go dormant the new leaves from the Helleborus develop
Roland
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Fantastic Ann,and would have loved to see the video,will have to give crossing a try here
Would have liked to have added some pics from here ,but so blooming windy and now we have snow falling,especially as I have Ronald Mc flowering for the first time :D :D
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I have Ronald Mc flowering for the first time :D :D
Well done Chas, we look forward to seeing it with bated breath ;D
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I agree - very exciting results. Some with green inner markings and yellow ovaries, others with very long yellow ovaries, and most of all very interesting variation. Would be worth writing up for The Plantsman.
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Just had another look at my photo of Wendy's Gold with 4 petals John & you're right there are 5 'inners', I hadn't noticed. 8)
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Here's an assortment of the seedlings from Wendy's Gold x Lutescens, with Wendy in there to compare.
I don't know how I missed this post Anne, well done. I am sure you will spur us all on with those results. 8)
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'Green Tear' to make you all green with envy :P
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'Green Tear' to make you all green with envy :P
you succeeded :-[
Lucky girl ;)
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Yum!
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Hmmm - Green Tear x Rosemary Burnham…...
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Some nice rich yellows there, Anne. Those flowers are bleeding tears coz you picked them. Do you have any other photos that show the outside of the inners better?
High winds and driving rain again two days in a row. Lots of snowdrops ruined.
elwesii White Perfection looking OK but the flower is small. Dont know if this is normal?
Fly Fishing hasnt caught a fish :-\
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This better?
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Hmmm - Green Tear x Rosemary Burnham…...
Had the same thought Annew and i have them already next to each other ;D
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Hello Anne,
You must have a lucky hand! Fine yellow seedlings.
It seem, that 3 and D have yellow ovarys and yellowish green marks.
Do you want to create a revers BLONDE INGE group???
The time of bicolored Galanthus is coming!!!
How old are the seedlings?
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Those of you who are AGS Members might like to have a look at the Swop Shop thread on the AGS On Line Discussion thingy. You'll have to sign in to look.
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1 - 'Green Light'
2 - 'Jade'
3 - 'Hoverfly'
Three I must look for
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Anne - You're frightfully organized there. No wonder such spectacular results. I agree with Tim, an article is in order. Do you use micropore tape to protect the pollinated stigma? We buy it at the pharmacy here and it's waterproof as well yet breath so the pollen doesn't go mouldy.
res: GT x RB I can supply RB pollen and can do the reverse here and split the seed. Had suggested to Robin to do the same using Green Mile with RB.
johnw
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So many great snowdrops!
Anne, Congratulations for your yellow drops, great results!
Here season is nearly over - one of the last: good old 'Jessica'.
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Wow, there are some gorgeous snowdrops on here, I'm drooling!!! :o
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Those of you who are AGS Members might like to have a look at the Swop Shop thread on the AGS On Line Discussion thingy. You'll have to sign in to look.
Not so much a multi-coloured swap shop as a white, green and touch of yellow one....
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Hi everyone - thanks to everyone for their commiserations. I was annoyed with myself more than anything for putting expensive TINY bulbs in a lattice pot, in a wet summer and expecting them to thrive. I only buy 4 or 5 really special ones every year and to lose them in one hit is disheartening. We are not millionaires after all - just crazy ;D
I do have greenhouses but they are red hot in the summer so I don't think the bulbs would like it in there. I intend to renovate my old brick built frames with some help from my brother. The lids need fixing and I will need net covers for NF season. I am determined not to give up but need to build up stock in future before planting out - it seems the only sensible way forward.
Most of the beds I have been planting in are raised as they are around trees so I have raised the soil level by about 2ft or more in places. Most have survived but the losses have been too high for my liking. I have obviously not got the soil mix right. It has been extremely wet up there ....but it has been wet EVERYWHERE for most of this year.
Lovely photos John & Mavers. Anne - beautiful, organised seedlings - it must be so exciting watching the seedlings bloom. Steve - thanks for the pic of ex-Cliff Curtis gracilis - its lovely. Emma - good luck with Green Tear - don't think I could stand the responsibility ??? You are very brave.
Tim - its funny you should mention losing all those bulbs when you divided them in the ground as I have read on here that the NF seems to go for newly divided ones which has made me paranoid about dividing. Where does it end ::)
Its raining heavy again - so glad my new purchases are under cover in our new conservatory for now.
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The fly doesnt just go for newly divided bulbs it's any bulb. A pinch of Suscon Green above the bulbs, between the soil surface and bulb noses, should sort out grubs as they pass through the soil if you're having major problems. A local nursery my help you because its been withdrawn. Someone may know of an alternative.
Does anyone use Provado?
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The fly doesnt just go for newly divided bulbs it's any bulb. A pinch of Suscon Green above the bulbs, between the soil surface and bulb noses, should sort out grubs as they pass through the soil if you're having major problems. A local nursery my help you because its been withdrawn. Someone may know of an alternative.
Does anyone use Provado?
Mark - I have tons of Suscon green but stopped using it on almost everything because of killing bees. I am not having major problems although in clumps I notice some have been eaten - I can live with it if its a clump. I will certainly try a pinch near the noses next time I divide. I have been putting a pinch in lattice pots.....when I remember.
Just been searching ebay for bread baskets/trays for the pots and someone in Newcastle upon Tyne wants £1.50 buy it now for 21 white bread baskets/trays - collection only. A good deal indeed
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JanB - I think it definitely worth you sending a letter with a picture to where you got Trimming from to mention they have made a mistake.
Anne - extremely organised pictures there. Great to see them compared with 'Wendys Gold' in each pic so that we have a known point of reference. Did all seedlings turn out yellow? Or were many green? Also - was the pod parent the WG or the Lutescens?
I had previously been told that WG produced green flowered seedlings - but then back crossing these to a yellow produced a high proportion of yellow seedlings.
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Anne, very interesting wg crosses!
My (few) galanthus are far behind.
Peter Gatehouse still in flower, Barnes have just opened and Wendys Gold has just shown its "gold" through the snow.
Spindlestone surprise and nivalis sandersii has just shown their noses.
Poul
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I went to take photos today but just could not resist the urge to pull out a few 'no show' lattice pots and check their contents. This is what I found:
Who are you buying these tiny bulbs from?
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I had previously been told that WG produced green flowered seedlings - but then back crossing these to a yellow produced a high proportion of yellow seedlings.
I've crossed Wendy's Gold with Primrose Warburg (using W.G. as seed parent) and got some yellows but more greens, which is a bit puzzling as even if P.W. is a cross between a yellow nivalis Sandersii and a green plicatus with only one yellow gene you'd still expect expect to get half yellow and half green progeny. And really, with each parent being yellow you'd expect most offspring to be yellow. I'm back-crossing to see wha happens next.
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That's what I was wondering Mark. ???
HI Emma any chance we could see more pictures of your Green Tear??
Come on you know you want to show off ;D
There's another green 'un in the background........you didn't buy TWO did you??
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Wow, there are some gorgeous snowdrops on here, I'm drooling!!! :o
Don't look Jacquline, it's a very slippery slope ;D
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That's what I was wondering Mark. ???
HI Emma any chance we could see more pictures of your Green Tear??
Come on you know you want to show off ;D
There's another green 'un in the background........you didn't buy TWO did you??
I didnt buy it 8) one bulb has become 2 and even the daughter bulb is flowering
And before anyone says anything , it is happy in the pot . It is in the pot to keep it safe from Dog bums ;) (and dogs in general, not just their bums) Martin will understand :)
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Two flowering bulbs of Green Tear. Wow! Emma, I bet you'll find everyone at the Gala wants to be your best friend now.
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Two flowering bulbs of Green Tear. Wow! Emma, I bet you'll find everyone at the Gala wants to be your best friend now.
They already do Alan as everyone wants a snowdrop hat. 8)
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;D Its a great plant , im lucky to have it
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res: GT x RB I can supply RB pollen and can do the reverse here and split the seed. Had suggested to Robin to do the same using Green Mile with RB.
Dear John,
I followed your advice on crosspolinating Green Mile with Rosemary Burnham a couple of years ago (both male and female). Some seedlings will be flowering for the first time this spring. I'll post some pics later on...
Robin
www.greenmilenursery.be (http://www.greenmilenursery.be)
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That will be very interesting, Robin. I actually prefer the look of your 'Green Mile' to 'Green Tear' but my pockets are not deep enough, nor my garden reliable enough, to grow either of them.
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Thanks Emma it looks very healthy & seems to be one you will soon have enough of to share..... ;D
Heehee
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Some of my own collections as seed over several years
First three are Galanthus elwesii and in the case of the flower on the right in the third picture this is very large 5.5cms from the top of the ovary to the end of the petals
Galanthus rhizahensis
Galanthus 'Primrose Warburg' a gift from Ian.
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Tony
Excellent pictures of excellent snowdrops.
The elwesii look to have more than a touch of gracilis :-\
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Arthur
as you probably know gracilis is supposed to grow on the same mountain and I have a good selection of intermediates between it and elwesii. Some others I have raised look like pure gracilis but those in my second picture are very strongly supervolute like elwesii
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Dear John,
I followed your advice on crosspolinating Green Mile with Rosemary Burnham a couple of years ago (both male and female). Some seedlings will be flowering for the first time this spring. I'll post some pics later on...
Robin
www.greenmilenursery.be (http://www.greenmilenursery.be)
Wow that's great Robin! If you get vigour and green in the hybrid it/they will be a winner(s). RB is vigorous enough in a pot but rather slow though persistent in the ground here, given particularly good drainage. I have some 'Green Brush' x 'Rosemary Burnham' and tramp (another Trym look-alike) x 'Rosemary Burnham' just up last month but think a nivalis hybrid is better suited to this climate. Keep us posted.
johnw
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Does anyone use Provado?
I use its equivalent Mark. I do a drench about 2 months before leaf die-back. Important to apply it when the leaves and roots are fully active so it gets absorbed into the bulb. Given that it is a systemic the NBF would have to take an initial bite of the bulb to be killed, I'm not keen on having chunks of bulbs removed. In the unlikely event a larva was already present in the soil at that time of year then it could presumably be killed on contact. Just before leaf die-back I give the soil a dusting with something like SusconG to repel or kill them, nothing terribly potent left to use here. Suscon Green certainly did a good job though it's nasty stuff.
johnw
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Dear John,
I followed your advice on crosspolinating Green Mile with Rosemary Burnham a couple of years ago (both male and female). Some seedlings will be flowering for the first time this spring. I'll post some pics later on...
Robin
www.greenmilenursery.be (http://www.greenmilenursery.be)
Aww, John- someone IS listening to you! ;D ;)
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Oh, Carolyn, I think your characterisation of the the forum being 'uncooperative' is rather unfair. It is more likely to be your connection that has had cut-outs or time lags that cause the system to reject your photos. If there are interruptions to any download this is likely to happen.
Maggi, So sorry. I didn't really mean that as a criticism of the forum which I think very highly of and am thankful for. I just meant uncooperative in the sense that I can't post photos. Every time I try more than one photo I get a message from the forum saying the post won't work because it exceeds 200 KB. I have previously been able to post at least five photos with text in the size that I have been attempting now. Am I doing something wrong? This problem is ongoing. I know you put a lot of work into the forum so I am sorry if I upset you. Carolyn
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Thanks Carolyn- I spend so much time here I do get very protective over this "baby" !
I seem to have misunderstood your post- I didn't realise you hadn't seen the new restrictions.
The Forum photo posting limits were changed some weeks ago - now one may only post photos up to five at a time and each must be less than 200 Kb.
There is a notice by the 'Attach' area......
Restrictions: 5 per post, maximum total size 1000KB, maximum individual size 200KB
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Carolyn I have found that timing is one of the key things, when lots of people are accessing the forum or lots are using your isp link it can be slow, so I always have my photos ready to post and type the words in the 'Post reply' box then copy them, close the box and start again, pasting the words instantly so the only thing taking time is adding the pictures. It seems to help, and if all else fails, I do it an hour or so later. Hope that helps and might work for you :)
Brian, Thanks for your advice. I did use the words "not cooperating" instead of uncooperative :). Actually for the post that worked I inadvertently followed your advice because I was frustrated with losing my text each time I tried to post. I typed the text in a word document and pasted it into the reply box and then uploaded the photo. However, it still would not let me post more then one photo without the error message I mentioned above re: over 200 KB. Do you have any advice on that because I have lots of nice photos I would like to put up? Carolyn
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See my reply above, Carolyn- all will be revealed and, I hope, soon reveal all the super photos we are hoping to see from you!
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It is lovely isn't it? And Big Boy is a beauty.
Here's an assortment of the seedlings from Wendy's Gold x Lutescens, with Wendy in there to compare. I don't know why more people don't try some simple crosses, it's very rewarding. I'm working on the video of pollination etc but when we'd nearly finished editing it, it vanished off the computer >:( so having to start again.
Anne, Wow, that is really an accomplishment. And here I was happy to have two plants of 'Wendy's Gold' that had both multiplied to produce another. I am trying to get my husband interested in twin scaling because with the nursery work I don't have time. Incidentally, WG is more like 'Wendy's Olive' for me this year ala 'Lady Elphinstone'. I didn't realize the color on WG could vary so much year-to-year. Do you experience this because all the flowers in your photo look gold? Carolyn
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no pics, but did my first guided tour in a bitterly cold strong wind, drizzle and finally snow, I thought no one would turn up but 12 brave (a bit mad) people arrived.
my box of potted drops in case of cold weather were on strike even after 2 hours in a heated greenhouse, should have got a shot of several people doing a good impression of a penguin huddle ;D
met several new potential swappers so a good day.
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Some of my own collections as seed over several years
First three are Galanthus elwesii and in the case of the flower on the right in the third picture this is very large 5.5cms from the top of the ovary to the end of the petals
Galanthus rhizahensis
Galanthus 'Primrose Warburg' a gift from Ian.
Tony, there are Galanthus graecus on your pics instead of G. elwesii distributed only in Turkey
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Tony, there are Galanthus graecus on your pics instead of G. elwesii distributed only in Turkey
Dimitri
I know your views on this,I just grow them and leave the arguments to others.
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;D Its a great plant , im lucky to have it
I am sure you deserve to have it Emma, I have just looked at the auction site and, with less than an hour to go, the bidding is over £300, you're snowdrop rich ;D
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id rather swap then sell ;D although i guess i could get a good holiday for my pot full 8)
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Very sensible Emma.
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You mean sensible to sell and go on holiday, Brian?
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You mean sensible to sell and go on holiday, Brian?
Behave yourself Alan ;D ;D
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another nice day but nothing much happening, looking forward to seeing something open that isn't in the greenhouse.
overhead shot of Diggory
Iris & drops
snowdrop walk
seedlings found next to large clump of gracilis Highdown
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I had an idea for a cute picture contrasting the large elwesii I found on Monday with a curious irregular inverse poc. from 2009 which has very small flowers. But I couldn't quite get everything to line up and stay in focus so here is "Large" with just a glimpse of "Little".
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Galanthus 'Ray Cobb' a frail and difficult thing
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Alan - one of them now has to really be named "Little and Large"
It will make no sense to most - unless that have seen this post. (And will mean even less to Non-British-80s-TV viewers than anyone else. LOL ;D
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I like galanthus 'Large' Alan. ;D
Where did you find it, in your garden?
Can we see a bit more of Little?
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Some in flower here
'Fanny' - bought in rememberance of my maternal Grandmother. One bulb bougth from Glen Chantry last year has increased to two and I have 3 flowers.
'Primrose Warburg' - bought from Judy's Snowdrops and a beautiful potful
'Pride O' the Mill' - bought from Avon as 3 bulbs last year and obviously a good doer. What a difference a week makes - plus sun :)
'Miss Willmott' - given to me by a dear friend for my significant birthday last September. Can have up to 4 scapes per bulb (Wol & Sue said they had 5 scapes on a plant in the garden). I am lucky to have 3 scapes in its first year. Close up of the inner mark
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I bought Blythe Spirit last year and don't know what I did with them . Cant find a label either. Stoopid me.
Robin Hall is looking great but no warmth here to open the flowers
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Galanthus 'Ray Cobb' a frail and difficult thing
I couldn't agree more Tony, but imagine my surprise to see a clump of them growing well in a raised bed this morning!
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Dimitri can you explain why G. graecus should be used?
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Galanthus 'Ray Cobb' a frail and difficult thing
Lovely thing Tony but.................. you are right it WAS frail with me too :(
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Yet again my Ivy Cottage/Croft Green tips, why can I never remember!, have no green tips. Can anyone spare one or two that are reliably green tipped
Natalie Garton after years as a single bulb now has two flowering sized bulbs and each has a twin scape. Is this normal - the twin scapes?
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A not so good photo showing my G. rizehensis coming up through a Daphne. This summer I might try to get them out
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I bought Blythe Spirit last year and don't know what I did with them . Cant find a label either. Stoopid me.
Why dont you make a plan of your garden where the labels should be with cv/variety's?
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Here's a few picture's from my garden today.
Green of hearts.JPG
Green brush.JPG
Ballerina.JPG
Greenfinch.JPG
Henley Greenspot.JPG
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And some more.
Greenish.JPG
The Whopper.JPG
Magnus.JPG
Plemy Green.JPG
Fionas gold.JPG
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Hi Steve
Lovely pics - for future readers it is great if you can write the names of the flowers as text - that way anyone searching on the forum for years to come will find your pics. 8)
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And some more.
BIG BOY 1.JPG
BROADWELL.JPG
(edited by maggi to add file names to text ;) )
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How's that john?
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Steve you have the very difficult to find Broadwell. That was a good find
How does Fionas Gold differ from primrose Warburg, Spindlestone Surprise and Spetchley Yellow? They all look the same in my garden. I don't have Fionas Gold
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How's that john?
Hi Steve
My understanding is that the search function of these forums can only work when the words are actually typed as text in a post rather than only the names of attached pictures - so I usually name the pics and then type the words too.
I see Maggi has now copied and pasted the image names as text in the posts so your wonderful pictures will be searchable for everyone in future years. 8)
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John,I know maggie is a cyber wizard,but i changed my posts myself.I didn't want to upset you.
Heres a few more pictures.
Betty Hansell.JPG
Dotty.JPG
Igraine.JPG
My seedling.JPG
Trymming.JPG
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And the last one today.Mark i think a photograph can say more than words.I will get them all together and photograph them for you.(next week)I can say that spetchley yellow is more the size of a sandersii,with leaves more like nivalis.Primrose has a longer ovary than spindlestone,but you need both plants together to see that.
Wrentnall peculiar.
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John,I know maggie is a cyber wizard,but i changed my posts myself. I didn't want to upset you.
Heres a few more pictures.
Betty Hansell.JPG
Dotty.JPG
Igraine.JPG
My seedling.JPG
Trymming.JPG
Steve, you have added the names to the actual photos, but it is little old me who has added the names to the text of your posts! ;)
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I know maggie is a cyber wizard,but i changed my posts myself.I didn't want to upset you.
Excellent. It is great that your postings from today can now be searched for years to come.
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Through the kind offices of John we had a very enthusiastic group of German snowdrop lovers visit us on Thursday, led by a delightful lady, Iris Ney. There is nothing like showing others your garden at this time of year - it brings out those with a real passion for plants and gardens - and the snowdrops really did their thing!
Galanthus 'Ivy Cottage Green Tips' - but like Mark says without Green Tips (a neat plant anyway, a little like 'Kite').
G. 'Hippolyta' - the best double in our garden.
G. 'Galatea' - classic and elegant snowdrop with 'poise'.
G. 'Gerard Parker' - perhaps my favourite, a really striking plant which self-sows freely and could produce even more garden worthy offspring.
G. 'Mrs Thompson' - this stands out when the sun shines and the tepals open widely, often with four or five segments. The image of Marylyn Munroe in that dress comes to mind!
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Finally one eagle-eyed visitor noticed a variegated sport on 'Viridapice'. I wonder how stable this is likely to be? And how easy to separate and grow on? Quite neat in any event.
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As you say Tim, quite neat, and I particularly like the twisted spathe. Iris visited Ann Borrill yesterday, and yes they are a lovely group of people.
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I didn't get out and about today - so a few pics from my little patch.
1 - 'Mrs Thomson' doing another great creation.
2 - 'Dymock' - not a big sized flower.
3 - Colesborne Seedling
4 - 'South Hayes'
5 - 'Anglesea Anglesey Abbey' (sorry - got my spelling wrong first time)
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My your Anglsey Abbey is terribly well-behaved John.
johnw - still waiting for more snow but the south is thoroughly battered.
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Your 'drops are looking very nice John. Can't wait to see my South Hayes but she's still wearing her veil (sheath) hopefully next week she'll show herself!! ;)
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Steve (Mr Grumpy) - beautiful photos and very desirable plants. Do you have them in lattice pots or directly in the ground? I notice that 'Dotty' is not always so dotty and the markings are merging. All very nice and clumping up nicely.
Tim - Wow what clumps! Do you divide them very much? I am nurturing one Gerard Parker bulb and to see your huge clump is ubelievable - it must look spectacular in the flesh. All look very happy & healthy. When you have clumps that size the Narcissus Fly is not so frightening....a couple would not be missed.
John - gorgeous. Your camera picks up such detail. Very beautiful photos and lovely snowdrops just glowing with health. Are you at peak bloom yet? I have hardly anything probably because we are very high in this part of Kent. Lots flowering in pots though ;)
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Thanks everyone who liked my photo's.I'm glad i could share them with you all.
Jennie.I'm glad you like photo's.Yes,i have all but eighty in round lattice pots.I've found round one's are easier to lift,they just need a twist side to side and up they come.They are plunged into the ground and then i put gravel over them,so you can't tell thier potted.It seems to work well,but i need to improve the drainage a little more.I lift the baskets every june for chipping and fresh compost is added and a little sharpe sand around the bulbs.I'm always trying to find a better way of growing them,but some snowdrops do not like to live,no matter what you do for them.I guess thats why i love them.
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Thanks for the photos everybody, some lovely varieties there. I particularly like the bigger clumps in Tims shots, they look great like that.
Chris
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Jennie - I don't divide them very often (probably every four or five years), even though the received wisdom is to do so (too many other things to do in the garden). I think the major factor is time - we have opened the garden for many years and so my aim is to develop strong plantings, though not necessarily very many different varieties, and we are lucky that we have lot of space. And though I love the variation in snowdrops, I also have a wider sense of the planting in the garden, and think they look so much more 'natural' en masse. The snowdrop wood down the road always takes my breath away more than any garden! (Also - I am a nurseryman as well as gardener and so have a vested interest in growing them as well as I can; so it is important to get good strong stock colonies).
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Having just looked through the pictures of the Snowdrop Gala though, I have a feeling snowdrops might wield their subtle attraction more and more - the important thing is to persuade your better half of their particular magic. The snowdrop hats look as though they should be collector's items too!
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Steve is your G. 'Paddys Ketton' flowering? Stupid name but I still feel it must already be named
Mark
Sorry to keep you waiting for this, its taken several days indoors for PK to open up for me to photograph. Tha plants you gave me seem very healthy and growing well.
Steve
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My best yellow so far.
Sandersii 'Chatton' a selection by Ian Christie.
Pictures were taken yesterday on a sunny afternoon.
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Another Sandersii to add to John's. Still a bit new to galanthomania, as to posting. This is one of three I got from Rod Begbie last year, and kept outdoors over winter in a clay pot. Got one other sandersii last year, kept in identical pot and compost, still only about 3mm above the compost.
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Could anyone more knowledgeable say if I should expect this much difference in timing within the sandersii group, or might it be that the solitary one came in the green (and seemed to settle very well) while the ones from Rod Begbie came dormant later in the year?
Your 'Chatton' looks very good, John. Wonder if he will have any at Dunblane. (My first ever proper grown-up snowdrop event! Scotrail permitting.)
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The reason Sandersii Group is a group is that there are very many which are well-nigh impossible to distinguish by appearance. Probably some are good doers and others not, some flower early or later but they all look much the same. I don't know what grounds Ian Christie had for selecting "Chatton" and giving it a name. For that matter, forumist 'snowdropcollector' has one called 'Elles Dream' http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10034.msg266090#msg266090 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10034.msg266090#msg266090) but again it looks like just another Sandersii Group snowdrop to me.
In the snowdrop world we are in danger of being swamped by names. Sandersii Group is one of the most sensible rationalisations of nomenclature we have, so should not be disregarded lightly.
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Very sensible point of view Alan, it could equally apply to lots of other genera too
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The reason Sandersii Group is a group is that there are very many which are well-nigh impossible to distinguish by appearance. Probably some are good doers and others not, some flower early or later but they all look much the same. I don't know what grounds Ian Christie had for selecting "Chatton" and giving it a name. For that matter, forumist 'snowdropcollector' has one called 'Elles Dream' http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10034.msg266090#msg266090 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10034.msg266090#msg266090) but again it looks like just another Sandersii Group snowdrop to me.
In the snowdrop world we are in danger of being swamped by names. Sandersii Group is one of the most sensible rationalisations of nomenclature we have, so should not be disregarded lightly.
Using groups is fine and logical to a point but as you state yourself Alan although they all look similar some are better growers and increase while others seem to struggle. Common senses says that most growers will want those that are the strong growers and so they need to be identifiable from the rest of the group and so you end up with named clones from a group.
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Ian's 'Chatton' received a PC so his form must be doing something right. According to Ian it is a very good doer.
I don't know if Ian is in Dunblane, but you could ask him hwscot :). He's a forum member.
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Ian Christie has been away in England attending Snowdrop events - he will be at Dunblane on Friday and Saturday.
From past experience I know that Ian names snowdrops that do well here in Scotland.
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Hardly any yellows have done well for me in the open garden, except for Wendy's Gold. That's why Anne Wright's controlled crosses with yellow snowdrops are so exciting - there are likely to be other yellow varieties which prove equally garden worthy.
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From past experience I know that Ian names snowdrops that do well here in Scotland.
I don't doubt that Ian had his reasons. I looked on his web site and you can buy Sandersii for £8 or Sandersii Chatton for £15. But I couldn't find any mention of what, apart from the price, is the difference.
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I don't doubt that Ian had his reasons. I looked on his web site and you can buy Sandersii for £8 or Sandersii Chatton for £15. But I couldn't find any mention of what, apart from the price, is the difference.
Well the obvious answer is that a named clone that is in short supply and being increased to sell will always be more expensive -that's the same for any new form, I think.
As I said before, it seems to do well in Scotland and, from John A's report, in the Netherlands, too - so that is one difference from many of the group.
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Yes, that's the reason it's more expensive but I was curious as to what particular merit it had to become a named clone. I was hoping Ian might have given a brief synopsis on his web site but, although there's often a clue, I could not find one in this instance.
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I thought that with his "retirement" lists, there is no description of any 'drops on Ian's list online. :-\
With his frenetic level of activity, rushing around the country all the time, I am not surprised about that!
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Now for something completely different - sort of. I have been waiting for sunshine to arrive so I could get some update shots of the plantings in Fullarton Woods. No such luck and as we are supposed to be getting snow tomorrow I went along today. It always amazes me how tough snowdrops are. Last year had freezing conditions at flowering time. Since the turn of the year we have had about 4 dry days and the wood has been like a quagmire on occasions. The flowers have not opened fully as yet - neither would you at 1c !!!
The first few are general views.
1169 is a small clump of doubles. A poor picture as I cannot get down to ground level now - correction I cannot get up from groud level !
Nearly all the snowdrops approach 25cms high. One clump quite far in, viewed with binoculars had 50 blooms. I wonder how long it took to reach that size.
As far as I am aware, they are all nivalis but surely there must be something different here from self seeded plants over the decades.
The patch of flowers in 1167 covers an area of approx 100 metres x 50metres
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Tom do you ever seen odd looking snowdrops there?
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I wanted a yellow one and a good doer, not a sulker. I could have ordered an ordinary Sandersii or even a 'Lowick' from Ian C. last year. But I am glad I chose Ian's recommendation. I ordered two and one of the two came with an extra bulb already on it, so I was able to plant three in different spots in the garden. All three are flowering now. The two bigger bulbs do have side growths popping up next to the inflorescence, so the promise of bulking up is there.
And if the real promise is like the photo shown below, which is Ian's photo he shared with me, than I will be a happy man. :)
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plantings in Fullarton Woods. .
In spite of the weather Tom, I'm surprised at how well developed the flowers are- it would only take a little warm sun to open them up. Pity the forecast is so snowy.
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That's a fabulous yellow. I wonder if its down to soil? All my yellows except for Primrose Warburg are more green than yellow
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Well Mark, it is yellow in Scottish and in Dutch soil as well ;)
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Just a little reaction from my side why I named 'Elles Dream'. I agree with all of you that snowdrops are named to easy those days. I have 'Elles Dream' for 6 years now. From the first little clump I found I gave 3 bulbs away to be sure it was not lost when I would loose mine. And ofcourse the other collectors could gave their opinion about 'Elles Dream'.
It is growing well and has nice grey/silver leaves. I think ( just my opinion and of some other collectors), that it is different
from others. Maybe it is simulair to 'Norfolk Blonde'. I am trying to get 'Norfolk Blonde' to compare it with 'Elles Dream',
but can not get it :(.
I gave away a few more of 'Elles Dream' last year, and hope to get feedback. So in a few years I really know or it is different from others. Only can hope so ;).
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I did see one a couple of years ago and photographed it meaning to locate it next year but could not find it again. Some clumps have been dug up by persons unknown. Could you imagine the job of looking at ground level in an area of about 5000sq. metres with clumps averaging 10/15 bulbs and some as large as 50. There are parts where you could not walk between the plants as they are almost a solid wall. I had a scan with binoculars but as the flowers have only partly opened I could not see the centres. They should last another couple of weeks and if its warmer, I will have another look. Its a place we often go to birdwatch as it is next to some huge fields that harbour Greylag and Pinkfeet geese in large numbers. The birds are used to people and are not easily disturbed.
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Just realised I never bought the daffodil snowdrop and tulip yearbook 2013. Anyone selling them?
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I think Ian's picture speaks for itself. I had three clones of 'Sandersii' and the best one was bought as a pot of 'lutescens' at Dougal Philip's nursery many moons ago. I more than doubled every year! The other two increased, but more slowly. I could have been the situation, but it was a nice deep colour too?
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Ive only got one type sandersii lowick that I got direct on a visit to Cambo.
It grows well for me and puts out a sideshoot minibulb from each bulb every year so far.
I grow in a very sandy mix in a greenhouse unheated and plunged autumn and winter and outside spring and summer.
Ive still only got two as it is a very popular swop!
to change the subject......
I have a lot of naturalised nivalis, plicatus, elwesii in my garden.
One clump looking like plicatus had 4 plants bigger than all the other plants (leaves about 30cm and flower petals about 25cm) and interestingly all were twinscaped. Is it normal for plicatus to be twinscape?
Simon
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Some snowdrop cultivars reliably produce twin scapes, some sometimes do and some rarely or never. I believe that there are one or two cultivars that reliably produce three and sometimes even four scapes.
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Is it normal for plicatus to be twinscape?
G.plicatus 'Henham No 1' often has twin scapes and sometimes triple.
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Plicatus as a species is generally much more likely to produce two scapes than other species, and often passes this characteristic on to hybrid offspring. So no, it's not unusual.
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It might have been raining all day but its great to come home from work and find all the snowdrops wide open. It's 11c just now so may have been warmer earlier
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What a treat Mark
My snowdrops have only opened once this year, its been so dull & wet.
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The only warm day here for a month or more.
I want to photograph my elwesii White Perfection. Its going to be chopped this year. Cant allow any chances between now and next year
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I live in hope that one day someone can ID a snowdrop that's doing the rounds as ex Whitton. I must get a better photo of it.
I also need to real name for one that is doing the rounds over here as Paddys Ketton. For now I've forgotten Paddys surname. No good photos because every year the flowers are damaged by wind. Steve Owen how does it compare to plants in your collection?
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Martin
thank you for the info.
I like this trait of two scapes from one bulb..
can anyone recommend some varieties I can look out for that would reliably give twin scapes?
Changing the subject again. I have a mislaid label.
Can anyone help.
looks like an elwesii or hybrid with a lot elwesii, does anyone recognise?
Simon
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I also need to real name for one that is doing the rounds over here as Paddys Ketton. For now I've forgotten Paddys surname. No good photos because every year the flowers are damaged by wind. Steve Owen how does it compare to plants in your collection?
Mark, have a look at my post of 10 February on this thread - Steve
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Sorry I missed that. Do you have anything that looks like it? Yours is lacking a 'nose' which may come back next year It came from Paddy Ryan.
Mine are multiplying fast. I now have around 15
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ex Witton or is it Whitton came from Margaret Owen. It has large flowers with thick outers
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Your comments on this one, please. It is a G. plicatus, origins unknown, which is growing in a garden we visited yesterday with John Breen. The foliage is clearly and obviously explicative and the general habit is normal plicatus but the ovary veers towards yellow in colour and the markings on the inner segment were similarly marked with some more yellow than others; these latter being olive.
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I like this trait of two scapes from one bulb..
can anyone recommend some varieties I can look out for that would reliably give twin scapes?
I suggest 'Straffan' which is well known to produce two scapes.
Pictures 1, 2. Straffan
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Your comments on this one, please. It is a G. plicatus, origins unknown, which is growing in a garden we visited yesterday with John Breen. The foliage is clearly and obviously explicative and the general habit is normal plicatus but the ovary veers towards yellow in colour and the markings on the inner segment were similarly marked with some more yellow than others; these latter being olive.
Further information on Paddy Tobin's post. There are some isolated flowering individuals up to 1 metre from the main clump. They seem very similar or identical to the flowers in the original clump. These are probably the result of self seeding. The owner has been aware of the behaviour of this clump for a few years, at least.
Here are a few more pictures from yesterday (well Tuesday!).
Note the heart-shaped mark in the third picture.
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Paddy and John has the owner been buying snowdrops in the past? It looks similar to Sarah Dumont but could very well be a new yellow
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20plicatus%20sarah%20dumont.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20plicatus%20sarah%20dumont.html)
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Heart pounding ... I just found a tiny yellow with yellow tips in the garden. It's not Ecusson which is elsewhere
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Seedling Mark? Interesting find. Do you have a picture of it?
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Paddy and John has the owner been buying snowdrops in the past? It looks similar to Sarah Dumont but could very well be a new yellow
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20plicatus%20sarah%20dumont.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20plicatus%20sarah%20dumont.html)
Mark
The short answer to your question is no in recent decades, but ... there may have been presents of some "better" snowdrops perhaps 40 to 50 years ago. Yes it does look similar to Sarah Dumont in your link.
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For Mavers, who asked, this is a picture of the small snowdrop that featured out-of-focus in a picture I posted last week. It has outer petals that would dearly love to be inner petals but usually don't quite succeed. This does make for small flowers on what is anyway a small snowdrop.
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V E R Y I N T E R E S T I N G...............Alan, thanks for posting.
It's good that the small flowers are in scale to the rest of the snowdrop.
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Photo of my seedling when I get home. Close by Trumps, Lady Elphinstone and Ecusson
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That would be some awesome mix of (yellow) genes than?
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Photo of my seedling when I get home. Close by Trumps, Lady Elphinstone and Ecusson
Ooh, yes please Mark. 8)
That sound like a most intriguing mix for a galanthus flower.
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Its only single flowered so no double genes. The photo is over exposed. I'll try again when the flower opens
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:o :o Nevertheless, it is a beauty!
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Wow - that is lovely with that yellow Mark, Mark! 8)
Let us hope it is a stable characteristic and turns out to be a good increaser.
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Looks exciting, Mark, the gene fairies have been very kind!
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It's a beauty Mark, hope it does well........remember to spread it around to other forum members just in case it decides not to like you :-* ;D
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I'm just having a play with some pollen dusting. Can anyone point me in the direction of a good article on hand pollinating galanthus? The snowdrops monograph reports that Church says the stigma is receptive as soon as the flowers open. I'm finding it difficult removing the anthers without releasing pollen. Are they self-fertile or is emasculation unnecessary?
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I was delighted to find this plant with 3 scapes. There appears to be a fourth, but I think this is from a daughter bulb.
Inner mark is shown
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It's a beauty Mark, hope it does well........remember to spread it around to other forum members just in case it decides not to like you :-* ;D
Or get someone like Martin or Margaret to chop it for you. ;D
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Its only single flowered so no double genes. The photo is over exposed. I'll try again when the flower opens
Mark, are you sure it isn't a stray bulb from your Ecusson clump that you say is nearby?
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I'm just having a play with some pollen dusting. Can anyone point me in the direction of a good article on hand pollinating galanthus? The snowdrops monograph reports that Church says the stigma is receptive as soon as the flowers open. I'm finding it difficult removing the anthers without releasing pollen. Are they self-fertile or is emasculation unnecessary?
I find it too fiddly and time consuming to remove the anthers so I just try to catch the flowers as soon as they open and get the stigma well covered with the pollen from my brush before the flower's own pollen has a chance to drop. Snowdrops are not generally very self-fertile so I find this mostly works well.
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I'm lucky to be working from home today and started work at stupid o'clock - so am allowing myself a few 45 mins sessions in the garden.
Sorry if there is a slight picture overload from me this weekend - but taking the pics really cheers me up and this is the first warm day in ages.
Some pics from my elevenses. ;D
1 & 2 - 'John Gray' - this was always a disappointment in the back garden as it had a real tendency to "flop". It was suggested on this forum a few year back that I try it drooping over the edge of a raised bed. So I planted it in the sink outside my front door. It is the only snowdrop out front but seems very happy and helps to make people smile as they walk past. :) Pic 1 is my neighbours cat licking it's lips as she know I have cat treat hidden just inside my front door!
3 - 'Sentinel'
4 - elwesii 'Wispy'- one of Phil Cornish's find with "the smallest inner mark" he has seen on an elwesii.
5 - 'Ivy Cottage Green Tips' - some years the marks is almost invisible - but this year it is quite prominent on 80% of the flowers. 8)
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Very nice snowdrops and pictures John... I look forward to seeing some more... I hope it's nice down there... it's very sunny here in Worcestershire- perfect for some 45 minute breaks!
John Gray looks very happy there... and you've pushed 'Ivy Cottage Green Tips' closer to the top of my wish list... My few green tipped elwesii, especially Jessica, are barely showing any green here this year.
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My few green tipped elwesii, especially Jessica, are barely showing any green here this year.
Me too Anthony, very disappointing.
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Maggi - On our SRGC Calender ( the hard copy that came with the last Journal ), today is indicated as 'Snowdrop Day'. What is the significance of this please? ???
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Maggi - On our SRGC Calender ( the hard copy that came with the last Journal ), today is indicated as 'Snowdrop Day'. What is the significance of this please? ???
Oh dear, had you not seen about this?
Today is Snowdrop Day, organised by the SRGC and held in Dunblane- Ian Christie announced it back in October :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9587.msg256857#msg256857 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9587.msg256857#msg256857)
and there have been other posts, such as :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9508.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9508.0)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9924.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9924.0)
And the event is listed in the current journal - I cannot recall if it was in the previous one or not- I haven't had time to read that yet!
It's listed in the main site under various headings- and on the front page.
You'll see all the details in those posts
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The clouds are blowing in alarmingly fast and the afternoon is darkening by the minute. :( This might be my last warm and dry 45 minute break outside for today. :'(
1 - 'Bloomer' has opened her petals for the first time tis year (that I have been at home to witness).
2 - 'Norfolk Blonde' - not a very yellow colour - but a very pretty little thing that is readily recognisable from the rest of the group of sandersii offerings.
3 - 'Narwhal' - I got this in 2008 and am now enjoying my first flowers 5 years later.
4 - 'Fuzz' - seems one of the more willing spikies to flower.
5 - 'Swanton' - a very kind gift from an SRGC member - the flowers are just a week old. As they mature they do a wonderful Diggory'esque shape.
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Oh dear, had you not seen about this?
;D ;D ;D Afraid I hadn't Maggi... thanks for putting me straight. I'm not a follower of the Galanthus, but when I saw this on the calender I thought it must be some sort of Traditional Celebration type day ( such as St.Andrews day etc.! ) , perhaps of a restricted local nature... :-[ :-[ ;D.
Maybe it should be a day of celebration across the nation! ;D
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;D ;D ;D Afraid I hadn't Maggi... thanks for putting me straight. I'm not a follower of the Galanthus, but when I saw this on the calender I thought it must be some sort of Traditional Celebration type day ( such as St.Andrews day etc.! ) , perhaps of a restricted local nature... :-[ :-[ ;D.
Maybe it should be a day of celebration across the nation! ;D
I think David has listed the major dates of the SRGC year in the calendar - perhaps we can have a holiday for each of them? and cake!
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I think David has listed the major dates of the SRGC year in the calendar - perhaps we can have a holiday for each of them? and cake!
;D ;D An Excellent idea !! ;D
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John, Swanton looks very nice, would like to see another pic when it's fully open.
my escaped Diggory with another small flowering bulb for comparison, looking more like Diggory with a green mark, cant wait to see this next year...
Prmirose Warburg with 7 flowers, after 10 years of failing is so nice to see :)
various views of the moat & courtyard
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end of moat
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A few more pics from my afternoon tea break.
1 - 'Angelique'
2 - her sister 'Gloria'
3 - 'Wilhem Bauer' - One I purchased in Germany - but to me it looks like it originated in Belgium.
4 - elwesii 'Don Armstrong' - A stunningly beautiful Canadian elwesii that I received as a very kind gift from an SRGC member. 8)
5 - EDIT: added another pic of the 'Anglesey Abbey' as it was more open in the warm afternoon.
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I'm just having a play with some pollen dusting. Can anyone point me in the direction of a good article on hand pollinating galanthus? The snowdrops monograph reports that Church says the stigma is receptive as soon as the flowers open. I'm finding it difficult removing the anthers without releasing pollen. Are they self-fertile or is emasculation unnecessary?
I usually try to remove the outers and inners well before they are ready to open so insects are not attracted; sometimes only the inners. I do this by holding the flower upside down and then carefully removing the anthers with needle-nosed tweezers - again upside down so as not to release the pollen. I return later to apply pollen when the stigma is ready, oftentimes repeated several times. Never have managed to get micropore over the pollenated ovary but have with narcissus.
johnw - a balmy +3
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A few more pics from my afternoon tea break.
1 - 'Angelique'
2 - her sister 'Gloria'
3 - 'Wilhem Bauer' - One I purchased in Germany - but to me it looks like it originated in Belgium.
4 - elwesii 'Don Armstrong' - A stunningly beautiful Canadian elwesii that I received as a very kind gift from an SRGC member. 8)
5 - EDIT: added another pic of the 'Anglesey Abbey' as it was more open in the warm afternoon.
Stunning plants John.
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Superb plants john.Stunning photo's too.I really love 'Don Armstrong' he looks lovely. ;D
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I had a chance to take some photo's today.The first time they have opened up this year.
1. Green tear( first time it has opened up)
2. Hoverfly
3.Graeca (LB 525)
4.Pyramid
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Stunning photos in this thread! I guess you need lots of patience to be a Galanthophile... a 5yr wait to see your Narwhal!!! Well worth it ;)
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Great set of shots, John. Lovely snowdrops.
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I rushed home this evening to see my snowdrops & they were actually OPEN!!
Took some photos of them in the SUNSHINE so will try to load them over the weekend.
Wonderful drops John, thanks for posting them.
Mike
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A few taken here this morning
Baylham
David Baker
Deerslot
Ronald McKenzie
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This is the green tipped elwesii I got in a local garden centre. All the outers have a large dimple
elwesii White Perfection - happy? Not really its like any other poc except it has different leaves
I have two Trumps away from the main group. Does this mean they have seeded and come true? My clump hasn't been divided
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John - beautiful photos as always. My favourite remains Bloomer - just love the limey green colouring and shape. Wilheim Bauer is very striking - would love to see a clump with those extra long split spathes - would be a sight to see. Don Armstrong is perfection.
Steve - lovely photos too. Really like Graeca - must be gracilis related? Pyramid - wow - never seen it before.
Chas - lucky you - your Ron Mackensie is doing well - mine is brown bread :'(
Richard - the moat and drops look lovely. The Diggory with green marks will be interesting.
The snow has finally melted here but many of the snowdrops are leaning over or flattened - am hoping they will perk up. I took a few photos inside and out. Here are some from inside:-
1. Excelsis
2. Pride o the Mill
3. Tim's Hill Poe with two flowers from one bulb and a flower coming from the young side bulb. I really like this new one and the flower is very big.
4. Yvonne up close
5. Yvonne with two flowers from one bulb
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A few taken in the garden today. Still not opening much but we are getting there.
1. Snowdrops and Hellebores (still in bud)
2. A little corner under a Viburnum where I always poke odd bits in the ground
3. A Hellebore seeding from a torquatus double x orientalis double - the first to flower
4. My sandersii after 17-18 years! You thought you had a long wait for Narwhal John ;D
5. A planting of mostly Viridapice which grows so thick and fast here.
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Thanks for the feedback on the pics all. 8)
Steve - nice to see your photos. Is 'Pyramid' as large as it looks? (I'm trying to remember if this one was this one named by Mark Smyth?)
Richard - Bennington is looking lovely as always. All being well I might get to see it again in a couple of weeks time. The green marked Diggory is interesting - will this be the only year it does it?....
Chas - Does your David Baker have that good mark on all flowers? My clump only has the mark on about a half of the flowers. :'( I am really pleased to see the pics of 'Ronald Mackenzie' this year. I had heard that it was a bit 'iffy' so have never sort one out - but the more I see people successfully growing it I might have to reconsider.
Jennie - I'm glad the snow has melted for you so that you can get out and photograph the flowers.
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elwesii White Perfection - happy? Not really its like any other poc except it has different leaves
It is still a lovely looking flower Mark - but I understand what you mean about Pocs. Similar thoughts were going through my mind yesterday when taking pictures of some of the nivalis pocs here.
1 - 'Mark Solomon'
2 - 'Henry's White Lady' - a kind gift form a lurker. ;)
3 - 'Lydiard Diana'
4 - unamed Poc from Phil Cornish - one of my favourites in this group.
5 - 'Charlotte Jean'. A Cambridgeshire Poc from Joe Sharman. Quite a young bulb here and not very regular in appearance - I hope this one settles with age to be more regular as it has the potential to be a very pretty little scharlockii poc that could make it into my top 20.
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Yes John all have very strong marks on David Baker,must say you have captured the mossie? very well on P,C'S poculiform
A nice selection
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Is 'Pyramid' as large as it looks? (I'm trying to remember if this one was this one named by Mark Smyth?)
Yes I named it. Do you need it for you collection? I can let one or two go but I'll check what I have after work. It is quite big. Mine are small this year because they are over crowded
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I see your poc from Phil is better than the rest. It has a fuller flower.
If I name a Northern Irish nivalis poc is that acceptable?
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I spent the last couple of hours studying Eranthis - but also took a couple of pics of Galantus.
1 - 'Spindlestone Surprise' (this likes my garden - but 'Primrose Warburg' does not)
2 - 'June Boardman' - A kind gift from a forum member and I am keeping her pot grown for now.
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John
Have you anything left to surprise us? :) ;D :)
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John
Have you anything left to surprise us? :) ;D :)
He has indeed Art. He didn't dust that one Spindlestone Surpise (second from front left) and therefore forfeits Best Clump Posted on the Forum Award.
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Mark - Is that the green-tipped elwesii you found at the gc a few years back? If so it looks even better these days. Of course drooling over White Perfection!
johnw
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He has indeed Art. He didn't dust that one Spindlestone Surpise (second from front left) and therefore forfeits Best Clump Posted on the Forum Award.
What.... I've got to get the duster out before pic taking now. LOL :D
I'll try my best. ;)
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A single yellow never looks much but when they are in a group they look fabulous
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I just cant get a perfect photo of my yellow yellow tipped seedling
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looks very nice mark.
a few from this morning...
Blewbury Tart - my favourite double
S Arnott under Twisted Nut
Anglesey Abbey
Apple Bank
Ketton
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Martha McLaren and Daglingworth today. Is there any stability in Daglingworth and are there mulitple imposters about?
johnw - lovely spring-lie day here. +6c. 5 more weeks of mess to go.
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I just cant get a perfect photo of my yellow yellow tipped seedling
I know what you mean mark.I have the same problem,with yellow's and green's they seem to reflect the light....but that is a very good image to me. :P :P :..
I'm still trying to get good photo's of the the three yellow's together.
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John - beautiful photos as always. My favourite remains Bloomer - just love the limey green colouring and shape. Wilheim Bauer is very striking - would love to see a clump with those extra long split spathes - would be a sight to see. Don Armstrong is perfection.
Steve - lovely photos too. Really like Graeca - must be gracilis related? Pyramid - wow - never seen it before.
Chas - lucky you - your Ron Mackensie is doing well - mine is brown bread :'(
Richard - the moat and drops look lovely. The Diggory with green marks will be interesting.
The snow has finally melted here but many of the snowdrops are leaning over or flattened - am hoping they will perk up. I took a few photos inside and out. Here are some from inside:-
1. Excelsis
2. Pride o the Mill
3. Tim's Hill Poe with two flowers from one bulb and a flower coming from the young side bulb. I really like this new one and the flower is very big.
4. Yvonne up close
5. Yvonne with two flowers from one bulb
Jennie,Great photo's,I love them all.The Graeca is wild collection and the leaves have the gracilis twist.
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Thanks for the feedback on the pics all. 8)
Steve - nice to see your photos. Is 'Pyramid' as large as it looks? (I'm trying to remember if this one was this one named by Mark Smyth?)
Richard - Bennington is looking lovely as always. All being well I might get to see it again in a couple of weeks time. The green marked Diggory is interesting - will this be the only year it does it?....
Chas - Does your David Baker have that good mark on all flowers? My clump only has the mark on about a half of the flowers. :'( I am really pleased to see the pics of 'Ronald Mackenzie' this year. I had heard that it was a bit 'iffy' so have never sort one out - but the more I see people successfully growing it I might have to reconsider.
Jennie - I'm glad the snow has melted for you so that you can get out and photograph the flowers.
Hi John,'Pyramid' is pretty short leaved,with large flower's.Mine came from Margaret Owen.(probably ex Mark Smyth?)
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Steve it was growing Margeret Owens garden. She said it needed a name
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Thank's Mark.These thing's are good to know.....I'm still learning..
Here's a question.I was out with the camera today and i took these two photo's.I noticed that these two plant's are very close.
Has' Ivy Cottage No.6' been renamed?Because my 'Ivy cottage Corporal'looks the same.
1. Ivy cottage No.6
2. Ivy cottage corporal(from Harvey's)
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He has indeed Art. He didn't dust that one Spindlestone Surpise (second from front left) and therefore forfeits Best Clump Posted on the Forum Award.
Here's my entry for best clump of 'Spindlestone Surprise' ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Judys Snowdrops has them as seperate entries
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wow I've never seen so many Spindlestone Surprise in one place
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Judys Snowdrops has them as seperate entries
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Yes Mark ,my 'Ivy Cottage No.6' came from judys snowdrops.I 'll take a look at the leaves tomorrow.
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Does my group of Wendys Gold Trump, LOL, your Spindlestone?
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This is the second year my reginae-olgae ssp vernalis have had dots instead of a solid inner mark. They came like this from a local snowdrop garden. The three are the same. Should I chip now or wait another year?
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Does my group of Wendys Gold Trump, LOL, your Spindlestone?
I think your 'Wendy's gold' clump is a superb challenger.Let's call it draw. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D ::)
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This is the second year my reginae-olgae ssp vernalis have had dots instead of a solid inner mark. They came like this from a local snowdrop garden. The three are the same. Should I chip now or wait another year?
I would always chip,because with a little look ,more plants is never a bad thing.It does look good.
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Here are a couple of photo's of 'David Baker'.It say's in the catalogues that this snowdrop is stable.My plants are not stable at all.Should i send it back? or rename this wierdo?.. ;D
1. David Baker
2. David Baker
3. David Baker
4. David Baker
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very strange, Steve.
Note to self - stop feeding the birds near snowdrops. They show no respect to my Primrose Walburg.
I saw Chaffinches literally pulling apart plants to set at sunflower seeds they couldn't reach
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Dont tell me about birds.I watched pheasant walk round my collection,snipping flowers from each clump it walked passed.Blackbirds think my pots of seedlings are food for them.
It not just snowdrops.On our farm crows have manged to eat a fourteen acre field in three weeks.
Anyway,getting off subject.Here's some more little white wonder's.
1. Nigel Chadwick....From B.C.T.
2. Fosterii....Growing outside unprotected for five years.
3. Richard Handscombe.......From B.C.T....Always perfect double flower's,with green tips.
4. Madelaine ....Three years old and the second fastest yellow i grow.
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How many years did it take for 'Madelaine' to achieve the magnificent clump?
Are the bulbs planted in lattice pots? What is your soil type, and do you add anything e.g. grit?
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It not just snowdrops.On our farm crows have manged to eat a fourteen acre field in three weeks
Fair enough - that would make anyone Grumpy!
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In the garden today (no sun for days, so closed flowers except the double ones):
. 'Richard Ayres'
. niv. 'Doncaster's Double Charmer'
. niv. 'La Morinière'
. 'Wasp'
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. 'Greenfinch'
. elw. 'Ivy Cottage Green Tips'
. 'Betty Hansell'
. niv. 'Witchwood'
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And a few yellow ones:
. niv. Sandersii Gp
. 'Fiona's Gold'
. 'Primrose Warburg'
. 'Spindlestone Surprise'
. plic. 'Sarah Dumont'
. niv. Sandersii Gp 'Norfolk Blonde'
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Second part:
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A beautifully grown lot there Freddy. And especially nice to see 'La Morinière'!
johnw
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Really beautiful photo's Freddy. I seem to be developing a passion for the yellows and it's nice to be able to compare your clumps.
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As the sun was out today and it was almost warm, I went back to Fullarton woods to have a look at the snowdrops. As anticipated, they were fully opened and were more photogenic than the last batch I took. I looked at some of the larger clumps I could see, and get to.
In one clump I counted 100 flowers. Most of the others averaged between 20 to 60.
Multiplying the average number per square metre by the area under flower was a bit subjective but I came out at a staggering figure of about 1 million blooms !
How long it would take a single bulb to bulk up to 100 I have no idea but it must be quite a time.
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A few more
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The wood is looking lovely as always Tom. 8)
Great pictures Steve - I also found Madeleine to be a very fast increaser.
Freddy - all look lovely - looking forward to seeing them myself next year. ;D
'Witchwood' also attracted my attention here today - pics 1 and 2.
Pic 3 - 'Naughton' has been in flower for a couple of weeks.
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Has anybody seen G. 'Rowallane' listed for sale anywhere?
It was named for Rowallane Gardens in Northern Ireland and I have been asked about it recently. It is no longer in Rowallane. The National Trust Adviser, John Sales, named it and took some bulbs home with him but I believe these died out. He may have distributed some to others and it may still be grown.
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How long it would take a single bulb to bulk up to 100 I have no idea but it must be quite a time.
If you beleive in the Fibonacci sequence rule (which I don't) and start with one mature bulb (that produces an immature offset the following year) you would have 89 bulbs after 9 years and 144 bulbs after 10 years. That assumes nothing comes along and eats any of them.
Following the same sequence, you would have over 10,000 bulbs after 19 years and over 1,000,000 bulbs after 29 years. So if you want a figure to keep in your head, the sequence predicts roughly a 100-fold increase every 10 years.
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You may well have seen this already but if not...
Scottish Snowdrop Festival at RBGE.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjT0N0ag2Jc#ws)
There are guided walks this weekend 22-25 of Febuary at Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh.
http://www.rbge.org.uk/whats-on/event-details/2788 (http://www.rbge.org.uk/whats-on/event-details/2788)
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Great pictures Freddy, it is not often that I have seen such great clumps of yellows :P. Can you maybe post a close up
picture from 'Norfolk Blonde'?
Your Sandersii have a great yellow colour !
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Nice picture of 'Naughton' John, good to see is the puckered flower. Is this a easy grower ?
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Can you maybe post a close up picture from 'Norfolk Blonde'?
I'm trying to take a picture when the flowers are open. The weather forecast says 'no sun in the next days and freezing temperatures at night' so ... you'll have to wait !
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A few pictures from last weekend when the sun did shine for a little while finally.
Canada Walker
Pl PHD 33643
Trymlet
Niv Lln Llo 'n' Green
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and two more......
A find from 2011 ( Nivalis)
David Baker with strange flower......
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Canada Walker Should be 'Walker Canada' ofcourse. What a huge flower this snowdrop has.....
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Hi Richard,
How huge is your huge Walker Canada?
A measurement of the petal length would be helpful, assuming you mean the flower is huge rather than the plant.
Tim DH
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Pl 33643
Niv Lln 'O' Green
Richard that should be PHD 33643, it was collected by Peter Davis in Georgia in the 1970s.
Also Llo 'n' Green collected from the Llo Gorge.
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How many years did it take for 'Madelaine' to achieve the magnificent clump?
Are the bulbs planted in lattice pots? What is your soil type, and do you add anything e.g. grit?
I bought 'Madelaine in 09 and planted straight into the ground.The second year i had three flowers,but a lot of leaves,so i dug up the bulbs.That's when i first started with lattice pots.My mix is 2 parts john innes no.3,1 part sharpe sand,1 part perlite and 1 part peat(peat free if you like).Then i put the bulbs on sharpe sand.That works for me.
Here's a few more pictures for everybody to enjoy.
1. Norfolk Blonde
2. Green Ribbon
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Here's a couple more.
1. Alan's treat
2. Art Nouveau
3. Trymposter
4. Witchwood
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Last two today
1. Ivy Cottage Green-Tip
2. Ivy cottage Green-Tip (Twin Flowered)
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If you beleive in the Fibonacci sequence rule (which I don't) and start with one mature bulb (that produces an immature offset the following year) you would have 89 bulbs after 9 years and 144 bulbs after 10 years. That assumes nothing comes along and eats any of them.
Following the same sequence, you would have over 10,000 bulbs after 19 years and over 1,000,000 bulbs after 29 years. So if you want a figure to keep in your head, the sequence predicts roughly a 100-fold increase every 10 years.
Wow! It would take me hours to work that out so I have to believe you - that is incredible :D Now imagine they are all Elizabeth Harrison's......
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Freddie - those are awesome clumps and lovely photos. How many years did it take for the clumps to get that big? Are they planted directly into the ground or in lattice pots?
Steve - I feel a little envious seeing your Witchwood as I think mine will die. It has a tiny shoot but has stag and there is nothing left of it now that I have peeled off the tunic - it is in the hands of the gods :-\
Walker Canada is lovely and I was hoping to swoop one up at Myddleton House but never even saw it !
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Can you maybe post a close up picture from 'Norfolk Blonde'?
There is another pic of 'Norfolk Blonde' here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10048.msg267657;topicseen#msg267657) Richard
Lovely pictures of some lovely drops again yesterday - thanks everyone for the eye candy. 8)
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What camera do you use John?
It really picks out the detail within the whiteness of the snowdrops.
My camera always leaves me disappointed, though it is only a point & shoot.
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here 3 of my favorites: G.'Richard Ayres'; G.plic.'Gerard Parker' and G.'Primrose Warburg'
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Some pictures of a few seen recently.
1. A nice clump of Galanthus 'Trumps'.
2. Galanthus 'Angelina'.
3. Galanthus 'Joy Cozens' supposedly has an orange tinge (see bud far right).
4. Galanthus 'Ronald MacKenzie
5. The very odd Galanthus 'Carolyn Elwes'
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A few more:
1 & 2. Galathus 'Glen Norma'
3 & 4. Galanthus 'Castle Green Dragon'
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David
Thanks for showing some very nice plants.
As all except Carolyn Elwes look to be growing well - is it a characteristic of this snowdrop? would be puuting it to one side if I was lucky enough to own it.
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What a lovely shape the flowers are on Ron Mack.
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As all except Carolyn Elwes look to be growing well - is it a characteristic of this snowdrop? would be puuting it to one side if I was lucky enough to own it.
It is quite normal apparently and sometimes the leaves are totally yellow. Not my cup of tea!
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is it a characteristic of this snowdrop?
Another picture of it here Art
http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.co.uk/)
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Freddie - those are awesome clumps and lovely photos. How many years did it take for the clumps to get that big?
It's always hard to say how fast a particular species or variety grows in general. It depends on a lot of parameters such as soil composition, soil moisture, location, origin plant material, microclimate, diseases and pests, and so on. Now, if you ask me how old are these clumps: in general 4 to 5 years starting from one flowering bulb. So – in other words – it can go quite rapidly.
As I have said also in the Flemish forum, it is a fact that some species/varieties grows better or worse in one garden while in another garden it can be just the opposite. Even in a single garden, like ours, the same plant species/variety sometimes grows much better in one place than the other despite the seemingly same parameters. Advice: Try the same plant species/variety in more than one place in the garden if you have the possibilities.
Are they planted directly into the ground or in lattice pots?
All our snowdrops are directly planted in the ground. We use lattice pots sometimes for other plants for instance when the tubers are very small or with plants which may not come above groundlevel the first year (Paris, Polygonatum, …) and may not be disturbed.
You have to know that our soil is very sandy so we 'enrich' our soil with compost (from our own compost heap) and fine leafmold. The only ‘fertilizer’ that our plants (including snowdrops) get each year is a new toplayer of fine leafmold in autumn. (Much) Fertilizer is often the cause of disease; we have to grow our plants as natural as we can to become strong and hardy plants with a natural growth habit.
David, that are really beautiful pictures of exceptional drops and all in a big clump for their standard. Wonderful !
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Another picture of it here Art
http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.co.uk/)
Thanks Brian
'Even more @Not my cup of tea'
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David, that are really beautiful pictures of exceptional drops and all in a big clump for their standard. Wonderful !
Thanks for the kind comment.
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Thanks Brian
'Even more @Not my cup of tea'
Not mine either Arthur, but it takes all sorts ;)
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These are a few pictures of naturalised snowdrops at Lorendon woods, near to us at Faversham (North Kent). All single and double nivalis and very attractively situated, especially the 'bowl of snowdrops' (which is probably the site of old excavations for chalk). These woods were left to the local village and have masses of narcissus and bluebells too - good place to walk the dog. There are also a few magnificent trees (though most are much younger), one of which in particular looks like it could give you a good 'swipe', a la Harry Potter (and there is a school next door!). The church down the road has a fine entrance, but no snowdrops - and nearby is a beautiful Elizabethan house which just cries out for a garden...
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And several of the trees... (the last one would make a great climb!)
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And finally the entrance to Ospringe Church and house where I would like to develop a garden, given half a chance!
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What delightful places to visit Tim, thanks for showing us.
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Does this snowdrop have a name or is a species ? It was probably bought at a member's plant sale 15 years ago.
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lovely day but not much time to take pics so only a few.
Diggory (much admired in the sun today)
Sharlockii - look odd & all spathe when they clump up
Richard Ayres - a real whopper!
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What a lovely shape the flowers are on Ron Mack.
I once got ticked off by someone for calling him Ron
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What camera do you use John?
It really picks out the detail within the whiteness of the snowdrops.
My camera always leaves me disappointed, though it is only a point & shoot.
Hi Mike
It is not that special - it is a "cross-over" from a few years back called Fuji Finepix HS10 - I went for this one as my previous point and shoot has an earlier model. For the first snowdrop season all the pics I took were really crap and I kept going back to my old camera. But a year of practice and I can now get a decent picture. I usually take about 6 of each flower and hope that one turns out OK.
John
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Lovely pics Mr King - Some of those pots of desirables look familiar.
Tim - great pictures of the woodland - I remember how I enjoyed a walk there on your recommendation a couple of years back. 8)
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Tom, its a plicatus but other than that I wouldn't be sure which it is
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Thank you Brian for exacts name's of snowdrops. The label of PL PHD 33643 does not have the PHD, so will ask about
it from the man who I bought it from. I will correct my label from Llo 'n' Green and make notes of finders.
Thank you John for link to other picture of 'Norfolk Blonde'. Will do my best this year to get a 'Norfolk Blonde'.
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Great pictures David, und such a clump of 'Trumps'......amazing :o. Must be a easy grower......
Also your 'Angelina' and 'Ronald Mckenzie' are looking wonderfull !!
Your 'Glen Norma' seems to have very large flowers. Never heared of this one before and is now on my
( to long already) wish list.
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Tim,
If I did the measurement correctly, the flower of 'Walker Canada' is 3.2 cm. The flower of Pl PHD ( ;)) 33643 is even a little larger', 3.5 cm. I also grow 'Pat Mason', think those flowers will be even larger. Will try to measure them tomorrow, when I come home from work.
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Blakenham Woodland Garden near us was open for a Snowdrop Day on Sunday. It was a lovely sunny morning and their snowdrops are doing really well; mostly single/double nivalis but a few unnamed cultivars, nice elwesiis etc. They also have a lovely big patch of aconites, Leucojum vernum, hellebores and a hyperactive muntjac that didn't appreciate the influx of visitors!
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Just arrived home after a short week SCOTLAND, one of my favorite country's, i had to visit one of my favorite woodlands.
A 3 leaved elwesii and some other elwesii and a nice striped clump nivalis.
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some more pics
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Wow,David, Thankyou so much for the pots full of utter perfection.I want them all. :o
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some more pics
Gerard,I hope you got few extra for me? ;D ;D ;D
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Here's some more pictures from my collection.
1. Byfield Special
2. Sandersii Chatton .........Just arrived from I.C
3. Chevron.......From phil cornish(who say's its Chevron not Chevrons)
4. Conquest
5. Cotswold Beauty
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And a few more.
1. Nivalis 'Green Ice' new from holland
2. Jamie Broughton
3. Long Wasp .....For Jennie.......First year dont know yet if it is correct?
4. Mrs Wrightson's Double.........
5. Munchkin..........
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Last one's today. ;D
1. Kencott Kali......From a never forgotten forumist.
2. Mustang Sally
3. Sentinel
4. Sibbertoft Manor.....
5. Spetchley Yellow
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Wow,David, Thankyou so much for the pots full of utter perfection.I want them all.
There is a queue ;D ;D
Great photos from your collection too Steve
.From a never forgotten forumist
He'd be pleased to see it thriving.
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Any experts with doubles? Lost label time - does anyone have a double that looks like this? Outers quite short and fat and very neat inners
I think I could get hooked on doubles and yellows. Are there any reliable double yellows yet?
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Here's a few of mine taken yesterday in the sun.
1. Rosemary Burnham
2. Jonathon, not showing it's ornge too well though
3. Homersfield
4. Carolyn Elwes
5. Lord Lieutenant
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and a few more,
6. Sandersonii
7. Priscilla Bacon
8. Angelique
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Any experts with doubles? Lost label time - does anyone have a double that looks like this? Outers quite short and fat and very neat inners
I think I could get hooked on doubles and yellows. Are there any reliable double yellows yet?
Looks like Hippolyta to me Mark
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Lots and Lots of very nice drops on this thread, many of them new to me. Thanks to everyone who has posted. It was nice to hear from several forumists that last weekend was the first time they had seen their drops open - that was certainly the case here.
Here are a few from my garden, taken at the weekend.
1 Anne's Millennium Giant - this is increasing well for me in a lattice pot, even in a position in the garden that doesn't get much winter sun. The Giant bit of the name is not correct.
2. A clump of gracilis Highdown - again increasing very well, in this case planted direct into the soil. Similar in size to nivalis but one that I find very appealing.
3. Diggory - a very kind present last year, thriving in a lattice pot. Definitely one to be released into the soil this year.
Chris
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Long Wasp .....For Jennie.......First year dont know yet if it is correct?
Thanks Steve - Long Wasp is lovely but you had to spoil it by posting Kencot Kali - what a beauty that is ♥♥♥ Are the outers really that long? Have not seen that for sale but will be looking out for it.
Have just been getting back into enjoying the garden and now I hear there may be snow by Friday.....groan....I want to look at my snowdrops and trim & tidy & plan & be outside >:(
Some very beautiful photos been posted lately - really enjoyed them.
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Jennie, Joe Sharman had Kencott Kali :)
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Jennie, Joe Sharman had Kencott Kali :)
Jan - he never sent me a list this year :'(
Not sure what you have to do to get on these lists - it's so difficult - that's why I get so upset when I lose the bulbs. You have to work so HARD to get them in the first place!
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Kencott Kali is not on Joe Sharman's list (as far as I can see).
Following an idea from Emma T, I am thinking of setting up as a Snowdrop Personal Shopper. I'll go to all the sales, try to get to the front of the queue and buy up the snowdrops people have ordered. This will help those who cannot get out and about so much - for a fee, of course. I might even be able to help those galanthophiles who pay extortionate prices on eBay. I just have to work out where on earth to advertise my services.
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Following an idea from Emma T, I am thinking of setting up as a Snowdrop Personal Shopper. I'll go to all the sales, try to get to the front of the queue and buy up the snowdrops people have ordered. This will help those who cannot get out and about so much - for a fee, of course. I might even be able to help those galanthophiles who pay extortionate prices on eBay. I just have to work out where on earth to advertise my services.
;D What, you mean there might be somewhere that reaches more 'drop fiends than HERE?!!!!! :o
I don't think so! ;D What will you call your new business? 'Drop'n'shop ? ::)
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What will you call your new business? 'Drop'n'shop ? ::)
You should register that name Maggi and ask a fee for the creative copyright when someone uses it :P ;D ;D
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Kencott Kali is not on Joe Sharman's list (as far as I can see).
Following an idea from Emma T, I am thinking of setting up as a Snowdrop Personal Shopper. I'll go to all the sales, try to get to the front of the queue and buy up the snowdrops people have ordered. This will help those who cannot get out and about so much - for a fee, of course. I might even be able to help those galanthophiles who pay extortionate prices on eBay. I just have to work out where on earth to advertise my services.
Alan,
I have a list for you...... 8)
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Lot's of lovely pictures over the last few days everyone.
'Carolyn Elwes'... The first time I saw the plant I hated it - the next time I saw it I loved it. This year I really can't make my mind up. It really has looked like three different bulbs! :-\
Guessing it is rather changeable depending on growing conditions and how newly chipped she is?
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John, that reminds me - could you also keep an eye on Carolyn Elwes for possible pollen for me? Thanks.
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I have to agree, I don't find it a hugely attractive snowdrop but it does have breeding potential.
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;D What, you mean there might be somewhere that reaches more 'drop fiends than HERE?!!!!! :o
I don't think so! ;D What will you call your new business? 'Drop'n'shop ? ::)
'Shop to Drop' maybe :)
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'Shop to Drop' maybe :)
"Mono-coloured Drop Shop" ?
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mmm looks like i have some competition the world of snowdrop personal shopping now >:( lol ;D
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Yes, Emma always seems to have bags full of snowdrops (and other plants) but always claims that almost all of them are for other people. That's what put me on to the Snowdrop Personal Shopper idea
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lol i do end up buying for other people ! I need to start charging a finders fee ! Sometimes i buy snowdrops for me ::)
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"Mono-coloured Drop Shop" ?
Love it! ;D
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I know it is difficult from photos, but I would appreciate people giving an indication of what the following two snowdrops are.
The first was just labelled 'Galanthus' - 1 photo - and the second was erroneously labelled Galanthus gracilis
Thanks
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Pass. I like the inner mark on the second two
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Jennie, Joe's list came out last week, late.
Kenncot Kali wasn't on the list, but he'd had some at an earlier sale and people had ordered it for collection at the Gala, which is when I saw it when giving orders out. Originally I sent him a SAE in Jan time for a list.
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Jennie, Joe's list came out last week, late.
Kenncot Kali wasn't on the list, but he'd had some at an earlier sale and people had ordered it for collection at the Gala, which is when I saw it when giving orders out. Originally I sent him a SAE in Jan time for a list.
Thanks Jan
Do you think I need to send an SAE next year? I made an order last year so thought I would automatically be on this years list.
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I agree Jenny... it's seems hard to get on the lists but may be it's because it's all done by post instead of internet. The personal shopping idea sounds great. Alan and Emma, you have a whole year to sort out the details :) The 'drop Shop
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A posy from the garden yesterday.
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Paddy, a fine arrangement
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A couple that came in from the cold today to have their pictures taken.
1. Galanthus 'Rosemary Burnham'
2. Galanthus 'Trym Baby'
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Bright day here, David but I can well imagine that the 'drops would appreciate being taken in to the warm for their photo session. They were swelling but not opening, in the garden here. Makes 'em look nice and chubby though, which I do like just as much as the full spread of their flowers.
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A posy from the garden yesterday.
Excellent arrangement Paddy. I hope the cut flowers were appreciated by the viewers as they look glorious to me.
David - keep the lovely pictures coming as I very much enjoy seeing them.
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I'm guessing David has avoided the flu, judging by the photos.........
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I'm guessing David has avoided the flu, judging by the photos.........
Nope. Well not quite flu but nasty enough. Went for lay down for an hour one day and got up three days later. Dangerous pastime this snowdrop thing.
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Nope. Well not quite flu but nasty enough. Went for lay down for an hour one day and got up three days later. Dangerous pastime this snowdrop thing.
Oh crikey- that's not good. Lot of assorted bugs going about, I know- it's just a dangerous time of year I think.
Ian was laid low, and Angela is struggling - even a thirty year old of my acquaintance slept for 18 hours solid at the weekend- she felt poleaxed.
Hope all the afflicted are soon fighting fit again.
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Is there a green tipped plicatus available? Weeding this day last week I found a green tipped plicatus in one of my raised beds. Actually a bulb and daughter bulb. Both are green tipped
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They are better looking than the photo shows. There is a possibility it is something that 'died' or was eaten by a grub and has now come back.
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Paddy, a fine arrangement
And, can you spot your 'Kildare' in the group?
Yes, Mark, I know of one other green tipped plicatus; can't think of the name at the moment, sorry. It will come to me === eventually.
Ah, yes, 'Green Lantern'
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Never had it so that's out
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Is that an Amy Doncaster Mark?
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Is that an Amy Doncaster Mark?
It certainly looks like it Anthony. Mine is not out yet this year - but here is a pic of it from Feb 1st 2012 - http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8483.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8483.0)
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I ordered from Joe last year Jennie & expected to get his 2013 list..........it didn't arrive :'(
Helpful forum friends emailed it to me as soon as they knew ;D
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Those are nice pictures John. I hope I have an Amy Doncaster on the way this year... it has been very close to the top of my wish list for a couple of years.
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Very like it. A couple of years ago I was given a dormant bulb of Amy Doncaster but coming through the airport at Stansted my bag was searched and when I got home the bulb was gone. I suppose a small non flowering bulbil arrived in a pot grown plant and I didn't notice. I'll make a label that says ?Amy Doncaster and see what the bulbs do next year
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Galanthus 'Warwickshire Gemini' and the same with a rider.
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I think the triplets are good fun Paddy. ;D
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I've never heard of Warwickshire Gemini before (and I like it). Do you know the story of its origin, Paddy?
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Alan, to the best of my knowledge it is a G. elwesii monostictus which throw up these twin-headed flowers. It was listed by Avon Bulbs and I think that is where I got it a few years ago. Just a few performed to name in a clump of 10 - 20 and one had triplets.
A Google search shows it is listed in the RHS database and elsewhere.
Paddy
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Oh, pity it's not so reliable. I have a snowdrop that I found which I have grown since 2003. Each year about one in 50 scapes is double-headed - but that's not very good odds.
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We had very early winter. Frost started in November and only few autumn blooming snowdrops showed buds. But they developed in greenhouse below winter cover. Just took it off and the first snowdrop which greated me was G. transcaucasicus 'December Snow' originally collected in Iran by team from Gothenburg BG.
Janis (not a "galanthophile" ;D)
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Oh, pity it's not so reliable. I have a snowdrop that I found which I have grown since 2003. Each year about one in 50 scapes is double-headed - but that's not very good odds.
Likewise, I had two flowers on 'Kildare' this year; just a freak happening, I imagine, and hardly one which will be repeated.
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One that certainly doesn't feel the need for modesty, ;D
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A few overview pictures of some snowdrop groups in the garden today.
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Freddyvl, the snowdrops and cyclamen are beautiful but what sets them off is the stunning tree bark. I see Acer Griseum... I planted that in my garden today and a snake bark Acer. Fantastic winter garden!
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Two from me
Boyds double (from a very kind friend)
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1820_zpsd1ffee2e.jpg)
Galanthus Don Armstrong at Ray Cobbs
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1807_zps099023e2.jpg)
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Thanks Jan
Do you think I need to send an SAE next year? I made an order last year so thought I would automatically be on this years list.
Sorry not replied sooner. Don't know how Joe organizes his paperwork, sorry. I've sent him SAE in the past so it might work? Good luck.
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Great to see more pictures of your garden Freddy.
Mmmmm, 'Boyds Double' - lucky you Davey. I've been trying to get that for a long time and it seems to be very elusive to me.
A couple of pics from here yesterday.
1 & 2 - One of Davey P's finds. I was sent this and a couple of spikies a few years ago - this one was described as nice so I labelled as 'Daveys Nice' (which we all know he is. ;D )
2 - 'Lord Lieutenant' - this has taken 4 or 5 years to settle here and give me my first flowers.
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Always lovely to see what a bit of sunshine will do for a drop Ronm. 8)
And great to see 'Don Armstrong'.
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A couple of pics from here yesterday.
1 & 2 - One of Davey P's finds.
You may not see this yourself but I thought the snowdrop in the background of picture 1 bears a passing resemblance to Darth Vader,
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Galanthus forge double
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1835_zpsaacda01a.jpg)
Galanthus Erway(a lovely present)
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1847_zps894b1b48.jpg)
One of my nivalis finds
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1846_zpsd15a629c.jpg)
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Cracking images Dave.
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Cracking images Dave.
Cheers buddy :)
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You may not see this yourself but I thought the snowdrop in the background of picture 1 bears a passing resemblance to Darth Vader,
Alan this was found in a mixed colony of Plicatus and nivalis,there were no named plants amongst them,i can say they have been there for at least 50 years +,i can not say where i found it because i don't fancy the place getting ripped to bits by everyone,plus the owner of the land would fall out with me.
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You may not see this yourself but I thought the snowdrop in the background of picture 1 bears a passing resemblance to Darth Vader,
OMG Alan_b, that is SO darth Vader lols
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OMG Alan_b, that is SO darth Vader lols
It really is LOL
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A few enjoying the sunshine yesterday
Melanie Broughton
Trym
Yamanlar
Trymlet
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more:
cilicicus
gracilis ex JJA seed
Madeleine
Ailwyn
Anne of Geierstein
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and the last few
Sophie North - this came from Evelyn Stevens so it should be the real thing as she was the source of the original
Brenda Troyle
Elizabeth Harrison
Henry's White Lady
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Lovely photos Diane.
I especially like the ones showing the leaves, as it gives an idea of scale, rather than just a close up of the flower.
ps Can you edit the Diggory picture
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Lovely photos Diane.
I especially like the ones showing the leaves, as it gives an idea of scale, rather than just a close up of the flower.
ps Can you edit the Diggory picture
Rob and Diane: I've removed the "not" Diggory photo for Diane- I think it was an Ailwyn!
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Rob and Diane: I've removed the "not" Diggory photo for Diane- I think it was an Ailwyn!
Sorry, and thanks Maggi!
Here's the real Diggory
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Diane
A nice selection of your snowdrops.
Did you experience any problems last year due to the wet weather? Do you grow your 'precious' ones in pots and what compost do you use - they all look very healthy.
Speaking to a friend today who lost a lot in baskets in the ground to what she believes was Narcissus fly - something I (fingers crossed) have not suffered - except in one bought dormant bulb - is this a problem you have suffered with. She is planning to put fleece over the clumps as they die down to provide a physical barrier.
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Hi Arthur
I'm not aware of Narcissus fly, although some in the garden have just not come up, so possibly the reason. I do tend to get a couple of cases of stag each year on potted ones, but I just pull off the diseased bits and put them outside to isolate them.
My potted galanthus are mostly in 4" square long toms, mixture of JI no3, leafmould and perlite. Not just the precious ones, I have a mixture of common and precious in the ground and in pots, hedge my bets. I like to grow in pots as my garden is very shady and often they don't open very well when they are in the ground as there is no sun. Also I can look at them under cover when the weather is bad. After flowering, the potted ones go outside in all the elements as I haven't got greenhouse space for them at that stage. Sometime in the summer, depending on the weather, they go into a frame until they are repotted.
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Thanks Diane
I do get sun to most of the garden, but my regime sounds very much like yours.
Surprisingly although my pots stood on concrete in open frames for last summer's rains, I did not lose plants to rot, which seemed to be the case with several Forumists.
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... a friend ... lost a lot in baskets in the ground to what she believes was Narcissus fly
This should not be a question of belief. Narcissus fly larvae eat the bulb from the inside out but leave the outer husk as protection until they pupate and emerge as flies later in the year. So what your friend should find now, if they dug up the baskets, is hollowed-out bulbs with larvae or pupae inside them. Thus there should be absolute proof of a narcissus fly problem.
Swift moth larvae, on the other hand, will eat and move on. Since this often seems to cause the bulb to rot (although not always) you may well find no trace of the bulbs.
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I have lost nothing due to excessive wet last year. All my new plants were potted and plunged in the green house frames. Most are over because it's been too warm for them. 13C yesterday. Many in the garden are going over. Marjorie Brown is just coming up.
People have to understand that if you grow Narcissus and Galanthus its guaranteed you will have Narcissus fly in the garden
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Lovely photos Diane.
I especially like the ones showing the leaves, as it gives an idea of scale, rather than just a close up of the flower.
Very heartily agreed. As a newbie, I'm often at a loss to get some idea of a particular variety from illustrations, which seem almost never to have any indication of scale, and often only the flower, so there's no indication of leaf form. It can be quite a shock seeing some in the flesh for the first time, when they turn out to be tiny, or have hugely wide leaves. It was very encouraging to hear IC at Dunblane making a plea for pictures of snowdrops to show leaves.
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Can someone explain why Fieldgate Tiffany was named. It looks just like an elwesii monostictus
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Wonderful clear images Diane. 8)
They are all lovely - but for me this morning I think Ailwyn is the winner of that beauty parade.