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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: art600 on January 28, 2013, 06:34:23 PM
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As the picture of an unknown Frit taken in my bulb house and posted on a snowdrop site has caused interest, I am starting a new thread.
If anyone can identify it I would be most grateful.
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Frit karelinii taken a week ago
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This is a nice colour form Arthur. From Kazakhstan ?
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As the picture of an unknown Frit taken in my bulb house and posted on a snowdrop site has caused interest, I am starting a new thread.
If anyone can identify it I would be most grateful.
From the club-type style ( visible in the pic on the galanthus thread) it looks to be a carica or pinardii .....
adding John Finch's pic....
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The leaves don't appear particularly glaucous which might suggest it is not F. pinardii but really the plant & the flower are not sufficiently developed for any attempt at identification to be made with confidence. We need to see the inside of the flower - the nectaries. Do you know anything about the provenance Arthur?
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Gerry
It is Iranian
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;D
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Another frit from Iran that I would like to have identified please
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Can we see inside the flower, Art?
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When the sun shines :(
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F. chitralensis is out here, as is F. ariana.
Alex
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Beautiful plants Alex. will have to wait a few more years before I see chitralensis flower.
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Can we see inside the flower, Art?
Here it is
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Took you as long to get some sunshine as it has us, Art! We had some sun today and on Friday (not sure what happened yesterday, having been down in Dunblane all day) It's bringing out the narcissus and crocus, but it'll be a while till we've got frits in flower.
Yours is looking like F. pinardii to me. Very much a clubbed style.
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I'm thinking it might be another assyriaca - nice but not special.
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I'm thinking it might be another assyriaca - nice but not special.
Oh, it might be that............ I have a feeling that Ian thinks I define anything as pinardii if it is that sort of colour :-\
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Quote from: ronm on February 20, 2013, 06:42:16 PM
Did you ever establish its identity Arthur?
assyriaca
You came down on assyriaca for the brown one Art, but what about the yellow one?
And to which is Ron referring ?
[attachimg=1] - this was the first query
[attachimg=2]- this was the second
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Not sure how my Fritillarias came to be on John's Galanthus Blog, but the answer is BOTH are assyriaca.
I partcularly like the 'yellow' one.
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John posted a pic of the yellow one in his Galanthus blog, Art - I've moved our latest two posts here- in case anyone else was a confused as I am!
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A tiny little frit from Japan.
Fritillaria amabilis
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Very nice Tony & rarely seen; I'm told it is difficult to grow.
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Excellent plant Tony - rarely seen in the UK
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A tiny little frit from Japan.
Fritillaria amabilis
If the sun shines again tomorrow, Tony, might you try to get a photo of its 'inner' for us?
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Fritillaria sp nova (poluninii?) one from Iran a gift from Arthur
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Very interesting to see this Tony. I've just looked at the account by Rix in Kew Bulletin 29 [4], (1974) which makes me wonder whether it might be subsp hakkarensis rather than subsp. poluninii. The latter is stated to lack the black spot at the base of the nectary & the flowers are said to be "hardly tessellated.
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What a gem Tony - love it.
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Tony
You must be having a heatwave - my spec. nova has only just emerged :) Beautifully grown 8)
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Arthur glad you are pleased with it. I will deal with the easy bit first,my weather. It has been dry and on some days sunny and the temperature range in that greenhouse on one day was -2c in the morning to +14.5 c in the afternoon.
I have been sent the description of F. poluninii by Ron who also favours hakkarensis and have looked at the various features and it does not fit poluninii.
On this plant the nectary length is far too long,it is clearly tessellated, and it has black spots at the base of the nectaries.
I took it to Dunblane in 2011 where it was definitely identified as poluninii!!
Maybe they are both variable and just merge into one another.
Seedlings sown 2011 have just emerged for their second year.
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It was found a long way from Hakkari
When I think of all the green and brown frits given specific names, it seems strange that people are trying to fit this quite distinct frit into an existing one ???
I will post mine when it flowers
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Here for comparison is the plant that I raised as Fritillaria poluninii without going into any sub specific level.
Describing a species from a single or limited number of pressed specimens will never reflect the true diversity displayed in may populations. The only way to understand what is going on in plants is for extensive field botany studying a wide population with all its diversity. It may then become evident that while you have two apparently different individuals there is a continuous variation in between.
Having seen the variation in a species I get from a single seed pot I would fall into the lumper rather than the splitter camp.
I should add these pictures are from last year the plant is not up yet.
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It was found a long way from Hakkari
When I think of all the green and brown frits given specific names, it seems strange that people are trying to fit this quite distinct frit into an existing one ???
I will post mine when it flowers
Arthur - According to Rix subsp. hakkarensis "is known from Hakkari & northeastern Iraq."
I have no particular views on the identity of your plant & no competence with respect to the matter. I was simply pointing out (relying on Rix) that the appearance of the plant is more consistent with it being subsp. hakkarensis than subsp. poluninii.
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Having seen poluninii in Iran, I would say Ian's plant is definitely poluninii.
Northern Iraq is still a long way from the site of specie nova.
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Having seen poluninii in Iran, I would say Ian's plant is definitely poluninii.
Northern Iraq is still a long way from the site of specie nova.
Arthur - Rix (writing in 1974) states that subsp. hakkarensis "is known from Hakkari & northeastern Iraq". This does not preclude it occurring elsewhere; I don't think plants respect geopolitical boundaries.
Edit: According to Rix, subsp. poluninii "is known only from the Sulaimaniya district of Iraq"
While I have no views on whether your plant is or is not a new species, I would be very interested to know why you think it is.
The appearance of Ian's plant seems to conform to Rix's description of subsp. poluninii.
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Bob Wallis identified it as a new species.
Poluninii was found near Marivan, a town in Iran and distant from Sulaimaniya district in Iraq. Marivan is, however, close to the border with Iraq.
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Here it is
I had said this plant was assyriaca, I am now informed it is probably uva-vulpis. All I can say is - I like it very much and it is infinitely better than the uva-vulpis I put in the garden :)
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The Frits are starting to come out. I got this pluriflora by accident, it was supposed to be something else but when it flowered I instantly knew what it was (doesn't usually happen with me with Frits). I get the feeling it's a little in decline. I have now only one seedling left from it.
I'm wondering whether it's too shaded - looking over some old pics I realise the greenhouse is a lot more shaded than it was so I'm planning to move it soon.
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Hello all. It is my first post to the Frit thread.
Fritillaria japonica, a patternless flower mutant and so called 'white flower type' in Japan. But only small spots are left at outer base of each perianth.
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lovely!
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Thanks, Mark :) Your sugar pink one is sweet, too ;)
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A nice plant, Mark. I did not even know before. It is now on my wish list.
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very nice, is that another Japanese one?
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Ron excellent,very nicely grown.
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Ron
I have not tried the Japanese frits, but your perfectly grown plants make me want to try.
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Another Japanese frit
Fritillaria ayakoana
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nice, are they all light coloured? (this coming from someone with a bunch of brown, brown and green, greeny brown, browny green and green ones)
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This group are. There is an excellent article on them here
http://www.aseanbiodiversity.info/Abstract/51010855.pdf (http://www.aseanbiodiversity.info/Abstract/51010855.pdf)
with pictures of each species in the wild.
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thanks Tony, actually I got a number of blank pages with a few pictures.
Adobe informs me "This PDF may not be being displayed correctly" which is a somewhat redundant message!
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nice, are they all light coloured? (this coming from someone with a bunch of brown, brown and green, greeny brown, browny green and green ones)
Mark
You must have hermonis amana 8) ;D :) ;D 8)
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thanks Tony, actually I got a number of blank pages with a few pictures.
Adobe informs me "This PDF may not be being displayed correctly" which is a somewhat redundant message!
Mark sorry about that but I tried it before I inserted the link and it opened okay so I cannot understand the problem. Computers!!
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Mark
You must have hermonis amana 8) ;D :) ;D 8)
I have several. Actually I might as well just swap around the labels myself, I'm more likely to get accurate labelling than what I got from nurseries and various seed exchanges (grumble)
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Mark sorry about that but I tried it before I inserted the link and it opened okay so I cannot understand the problem. Computers!!
It's ok. It's an old machine and it likes to take an "individual" approach to many simple computing tasks. I regard it as having "character"
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It's ok. It's an old machine and it likes to take an "individual" approach to many simple computing tasks. I regard it as having "character"
My computer is also old and I am told the browser (Safari 4.1.3) is obsolete. Nevertheless Tony's link loaded perfectly - albeit very slowly.
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Hi Ron (and others!),
I was going to post something about this and then saw yours above. My american Frits in particular are really late this year, with F. striata only flowering now (and the flowers are a little smaller than usual, too) and F. pluriflora still in a state of suspended animation where the shoots poked through in January as usual, then stalled, while all the time seeming firm and healthy. Buds still seem viable,too. I have blamed the cold weather. Is this your experience this year, too?
Alex
P.S. The seeds you sent me (Calochortus and choice Frit) are up, looks like almost full germination ;D
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Quite so.
And I wonder how she would feel if she saw F.meleagris on Iffley meadow.
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Fritillaria pudica
I have had this a long time. I only realised this year there are two clones in the pot. It set seed for the first time two years ago and I have a nice pot of seedlings coming along as well as 2 pots of 'rice'
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It's one I've never succeeded with - I have got rice bulbs and seeds and still have them but never a flower. They may be too shaded.
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Here are a few Frits today - a very late striata and poluninii; the latter is one of a batch of seedlings (Archibald) that are about 6 years old now, about half are white like this and the rest have the nice purple veining seen on a photo of this sp. earlier in the thread.
Alex
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very nice Alex :)
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Superb Roma, 8)
Congratulations on getting seed also. Its not always easy to do.
Thanks, Ron
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Fritillaria rhodia seedlings in flower today.
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those look good Oron, distinctive looking too.
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very nice plants above,a more modest one
Fritillaria carica
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Nice, I'm hoping for some flowers on mine but I think that's a forlorn hope.
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I am sure, someone can help me with the identification of this Fritillaria. I have these plants from seed collected by Josef Jurasek in 2006. Collection area is Dededol Dag – Turkey (2200 m). The plants are about 12 cm high. The flower colour is a little bit variable.
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Jozef
I would think that is a very beautiful pinardii.
I will post my equivalent shortly.
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A beautifull compact growing Fritillaria aurea -large form- and they mean the flower :-\ , plants is 5 cm and flower 3,5 cm.
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Jozef
I would think that is a very beautiful pinardii.
I will post my equivalent shortly.
Jozef, I think it is a orange form of Frit. carica
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I think it is impossible to identify with confidence from photos & it could be either carica or pinardii . Both can have styles which are 3-fid at the apex.
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A beautifull compact growing Fritillaria aurea -large form- and they mean the flower :-\ , plants is 5 cm and flower 3,5 cm.
Gert - that is a very fine F. aurea. I think the large form is quite rare in cultivation (& said to be difficult). Where did your plant come from?
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I think it is impossible to identify with confidence from photos & it could be either carica or pinardii . Both can have styles which are 3-fid at the apex.
Gerry, how do you tell the difference between the two? I had a plant that was supposed to be carica but I thought was probably pinardii - how do you tell the difference?
Lovely pinardii Josef and aurea Gert. I think I have something similar that came from Norman Stevens - but no flowers this year :(
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Getting away from the flowers- I think that carica has its leaves starting lower down the stem and only one upper leaflet near the flower. F. pinardi has a longer clear stem at the foot and often two leaflets near the flower - none of this is hard and fast though, I don't believe!
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Gerry, how do you tell the difference between the two? I had a plant that was supposed to be carica but I thought was probably pinardii - how do you tell the difference?
Lovely pinardii Josef and aurea Gert. I think I have something similar that came from Norman Stevens - but no flowers this year :(
I attach the relevant entries from Flora of Turkey - A Xerox copy so not brilliant quality.
Norman did supply the giant form of F.aurea on a few occasions. Not being a skilled cultivator, I never bought it because he said it was difficult to grow.
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thanks for the carica/pinardii differentiation, Maggi and Gerry.
Found a pic of the aurea from a few years back. looks like it's the dwarf form. This year leaves only but I hope to build it back up.
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Wonderful plants all 8)
This one came from a seed exchange as F. drenovskii 'large form' but has basal leaves up to 4 cm across.
Can anyone identify it or suggest what it might be?
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Ashley - my first thought - based on the flower - was either F. caucasica or F. armena but in Rix's descriptions he gives the max. width of the basal leaves as 2cm for both. So, I don't know.
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Ashley - my first thought - based on the flower - was either F. caucasica or F. armena but in Rix's descriptions he gives the max. width of the basal leaves as 2cm for both. So, I don't know.
Looking at F. caucasica in Laurence Hill's Fritillaria Icones I suspect you're right. Notwithstanding the general description the lower leaf shown looks 3 cm or so in width (http://www.fritillariaicones.com/icones/caucasica.html), and basal leaves of these plants (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/shows/results/shows2010/shows/clevelan/images/George_Young/sizedCleveland_10r_Fritillaria_caucasica__George_Young_039.jpg.html) on the AGS website appear even broader although they have few leaves further up the scape. Hill also refers to its 'long, slender style, thin purple anther filaments and few leaves, which are usually only 3 or 4 in number' and flowers with a glaucous bloom, all of which fit.
Thanks Gerry.
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Thanks for your help. It seems to be more complicated than expected.
I compared my plants with a few pictures I found on the internet and I have the feeling that the leaves (plant structure) look like carica, but the flower seems to be more like pinardii.
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Gert - that is a very fine F. aurea. I think the large form is quite rare in cultivation (& said to be difficult). Where did your plant come from?
Hello Gerry, I have got the bulb from a friend, he is a proffesional bulb grower of bigger bulbs as Gladioli. And in his spare time he has a collection of smaller bulbs for rockgarden.
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One I'd like an opion, came to me as F.kurdica but it's a different shape from the olive green one I had before. Bit of a disappointment
the other I am sure of F.michailovskyi
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Mark
In 2005 in Iran we saw a clump of Frits that we thought were crassifolia. They do resemble your plant, but the colour of the bell looks wrong for crassifolia.
The Wallises called the plant we found Fritillaria crassifolia aff.
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thanks Arthur, that does look close - of course with no sun here it does look very dark.
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Some more Fritillaria crassifolia photographed before the cold weather struck
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Earlier Tony Willis posted a photo of a Frit. spec. nova
These were from the same area, but are interestingly different - certainly do not look like poluninii nor hakkari
Photos taken March 14th - think the bumble bee had died.
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Interesting to see these , Art - though I was distracted by wondering whether ( in pic 1104) that is a very small frit or a very large bumble bee?!
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I bought these Fritillaria gibbosa from Norman Stephens and was pleased to see 3 different plants
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Interesting to see these , Art - though I was distracted by wondering whether ( in pic 1104) that is a very small frit or a very large bumble bee?!
Frit was of normal size and so was the bee :)
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Promise of things to come
Frit alfredae glauco-viridis
Section of bulb house
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Fritillaria aurea
The usual form in cultivation; smaller than the 'giant' form shown above by Gert Hoek - height 4cm, flower 2.7cm long.
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What a wonderful selection in the above pages, every one a gem. :) I hope they - and you all - are not too deeply distressed or depressed by the weather patterns sweeping through Britain, Europe and the States at present, such a turn around from the spring of just a few weeks ago. It worries me to see the farmers and their struggle to save sheep especially, and newly born lambs trying so hard to endure the snow and ice, a terrible time for those whose lives depend on their animals and for the animals themselves of course.
We, on the other hand are suffering the worst drought in over 5 decades, not so bad down here in the south of the South Island but really disastrous in the North Island. Is this all just part of a natural cycle or have we humans damaged our planet to such an extent that "normal" weather is a thing of the past?
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Two views of a fritillaria sp. collected north of Van on the Tendurek pass. When we first saw it we thought it was a form of F. michailovskyi but soon realised it was not.
In his book Buried Treasures page 335, Janis who also saw this plant wonders if it is a hybrid between F. crassifolia and F. armena.
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Tony
Nicely grown Frits from the Tendurek Pass.
Following is an image from my trip in 2011 - even more like michailovskyi
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A discussion on climate change was opening up here in this Frit. thread which I felt deserved its own place - see it here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10290.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10290.0)
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very nice Art & Tony.
Now we know they hybridize things get even more confusing ???
Personally now I'm convinced I grow only three kinds, brown ones, green ones and ones that aren't green or brown. Job done!
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Personally now I'm convinced I grow only three kinds, brown ones, green ones and ones that aren't green or brown. Job done!
;D ;D ;D I'm all for simplification!
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Don't forget the brown and green ones. ::)
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Don't forget the brown and green ones. ::)
splitter!!
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;D ;D ;D
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Here's hopefully F.hermonis. First time flowering.
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Fritillaria alburyana usually has ligt pink flowers, but in one locality our team (LST-247) found very unusually colored "alburyana" - with purple flowers. It was discovered by some otherfritillaria growers, too and I even somewhere read that it is natural hybrid with F. armena, growing in vicinity. BUT its seedlings perfectly reproduce itself and now splitting were noted as it could be in case of hybrids. Grown side by side with traditional pink alburyana they both can freely hybridise, but nor in seedlings of typical alburyana nor in seedlings in this purple one I didn't note any intermediate - all stocks keeps their color. The purple one is something smaller than pink one, too. May be worth of own status?
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Wonderful alburyana Janis 8)
Here F. grandiflora ex PF-3520 F. kotschyana
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Here F. grandiflora ex PF-3520
Very handsome Ashley. It looks indistinguishable from F. kotschyana, but then some people think that the two are the same thing.
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A nice brown and green one! Pretty markings.
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Fritillaria alburyana usually has ligt pink flowers, but in one locality our team (LST-247) found very unusually colored "alburyana" - with purple flowers. It was discovered by some otherfritillaria growers, too and I even somewhere read that it is natural hybrid with F. armena, growing in vicinity. BUT its seedlings perfectly reproduce itself and now splitting were noted as it could be in case of hybrids. Grown side by side with traditional pink alburyana they both can freely hybridise, but nor in seedlings of typical alburyana nor in seedlings in this purple one I didn't note any intermediate - all stocks keeps their color. The purple one is something smaller than pink one, too. May be worth of own status?
Stunning Janis :o
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A few that flower for the moment ...
1- F. minuta
2- F. crassifolia
3 & 4 - F. pinardii
5- Another form of crassifolia
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Kris - the first one looks like F. amana (or, if you prefer, F. hermonis amana).
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Kris - the first one looks like F. amana (or, if you prefer, F. hermonis amana).
Thanks for the rectification Gerry ! It seems I get a wrong one once more ....
I get the same reaction on our Flemish forum :D http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=1048.20 (http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=1048.20)
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Very handsome Ashley. It looks indistinguishable from F. kotschyana, but then some people think that the two are the same thing.
Thanks Gerry. It came to me as F. kotschyana ssp. grandiflora but now seems to have been raised to species level, on what basis I don't know.
A nice brown and green one! Pretty markings.
I'd say it's more a green and brown one Anne ;) although Mark will accuse me of splitting ;D
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Well yes. And I am watching. And taking names. ;D
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Thanks Gerry. It came to me as F. kotschyana ssp. grandiflora but now seems to have been raised to species level, on what basis I don't know.
Ashley - Flora of the USSSR (1935) has two distinct sp. kotschyana & grandiflora. Rix (1974) regards them as two subsp. of kotschyana but points out that subsp. grandiflora is known only from the type collection made at Lerik in 1919 1915. As usually seen, subsp. grandiflora has very dark, uniformly purple-brown flowers & was introduced into the UK from the Moscow Botanic Garden by Rix.
I recall hearing Bob Wallis some years ago express the opinion that the two were identical based (I think) on the fact that some seedlings of grandiflora were indistinguishable from kotschyana.
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Dear Forumists,
From today you can see my home-page on http://rarebulbs.lv - it opens on Internet Explorer, but still not on Google search (I don't know - why). There you can find all my catalogue and 99% of items have pictures attached. There is GARDEN NEWS topic where you can print your questions and I will try to reply as soon as possible as I will inform about news from my garden and collection. Arriving of young generation gives me more time and more advanced technologies.
Janis
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Ashley - more thoughts on your plant.
PF 3520 is listed in Ruksan's new catalogue ( http://rarebulbs.lv (http://rarebulbs.lv)) as F. kotschyana grandiflora from Iran though no information is provided on the origin of the name or how it differs from F. kotschyana subsp. kotschyana (Rix). As I noted above F. grandiflora (USSR)/ F. kotschyana subsp. grandiflora (Rix) comes from Lerik which is in Azerbaijan. Although Paul Furse travelled widely in Iran ( including the far north), to the best of my knowledge he never visited Azerbaijan.
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Much obliged for this information Gerry. Mine came from Janis but looks much more like what’s shown as kotschyana SLIZE-068 (http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/catalogue/product/view/1/6448) on his website. Probably it’s best to leave it at just kotschyana then.
From today you can see my home-page on http://rarebulbs.lv
Congratulations Janis; this looks excellent 8)
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Ashley - Yet more on your plant following a literature search.
I suspect that 'PF 3520' is a misprint/typo for PF 2530. This is mentioned (along with PF 2529) by Rix, under F. kotschyana subsp. kotschyana, as referring to collections made in Iran: "Gachi-i-Sar, 2700m, steep slopes & among large Rumex sp., 8 June 1962" (Rix, 1974 Kew Bull. 29 [4].
Furse himself refers to PF 2529 in his article 'Iran & Turkey, 1962" in the RHS Journal (p166) where he calls it F. crassifolia - the usual name for this group in the 60s - & states " with much variation".
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Excellent detective work Gerry. Again my thanks.
What a great community and source of information this forum is 8)
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My Fritillaria bucharica in bloom.
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Flowering today:
Fritillaria persica
Fritillaria bucharica
Fritillaria conica
Poul
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Thanks to Robert Wallis of Fritilaria Group. He identified my frits as Fritillaria fleischeriana
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Some out today
Fritillaria obliqua a bulb from Pilous
Fritillaria crassifolia from Hosap Turkey
Fritillaria aurea from Pinarbasi Turkey
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Arda, I agree, it is fleischeriana.
From my collection
Fritillaria raddeana - grown in greenhouse. Tired to worry about night frosts in open garden, although in greenhouse it don't feel very well - it is too hot.
Fritillaria strausii and volunteer in pollination
Two alburyanas - from Kop Gec - very light pink, more traditionally looking
- and purple one LST-234 which by my opinion must be regarded as dfifferent
and as last - Fritillaria bucharica
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Fritillaria crassifolia subsp. crassifolia
From a collection by Bob & Rannveig Wallis (RRW92134). Turkey, nr Kahramanmaras, Maras to Kozludere, E of Kalafari; 1390 -1600m, limestone scree.
Listed by JJA as 493 307.
Said to grow to a height of 6cm in the wild but here it is 12cm
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Fritillaria whittallii
From Frit Group seed (received as F. graeca).
No data.
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Very elegant Gerry
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Fritillaria pallidiflora from JJA seed sown 2006 flowering for the first time.
Erle[attachimg=1]
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I enjoy looking at everyone's flowers! Here is my F. thunbergii. For some reason, it's sterile... ???
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1218/5581325/11127472/406293992.jpg)
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Although I earlier wrote that Fritillaria grown as alburyana purple form perfectly replaces itself from seeds, yesterday between seedlings I spotted two plants which certainly are hybrids. May be with armena? They are taller and with smaller and more closed flowers, but very nice.
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Today I searched for F. serpenticola but found again Fritillaria fleischeriana(I guess)
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fritillaria tenella from Caussols (France)
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Fritillaria imperialis growing here for 20 years under a Russian Medlar
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Four from April
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Today I searched for F. serpenticola but found again Fritillaria fleischeriana(I guess)
A good friend was kind enough to give me this plant to me a few weeks ago
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Growing in the garden F latifolia
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Very nice F. serpenticola.
I will hunt at the weekend
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Fritillaria hermonis
From AGS seed - received as F. crassifolia.
The glaucous leaves & distinct, ovate-lanceolate nectary suggest it is F. hermonis (see Rannveig & Robert Wallis, 2002, The Plantsman, 1 [2])
Not the most exciting of frits; I believe there are better forms of the sp.
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nice plants everyone. Like the whittalii.
Here's F.gracea.
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Fritillaria tubiformis
from JJA 503.800, France, Hautes-Alpes, Pic de Gleize NNW of Gap, 1800m.
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nice Frits from all,
here two species in my garden:
F. karelinii
F. gibbosa in two forms
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nice Frits from all,
here two species in my garden:
F. karelinii
F. gibbosa in two forms
Very nice Frits Dirk . I like the smal pink ones ...
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Fritillaria drenovskii from Greece,one I think is very elegant
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One of my favourites Tony. It is very elegant.
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Truely elegant
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Fritillaria tubiformis subsp. moggridgei
From Pitcairn Alpines.
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Fritillaria meleagris
Today’s Independent has an article about the famous hay meadow at Cricklade in Wiltshire, home to the largest population of F. meleagris in the UK. It is reported that there were almost no flowers this Spring, a consequence of the fact that the meadow remained flooded in the summer of 2012 & the hay could not be cut. It is claimed that the thick mat of hay prevented the emergence of plants this year.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/nature_studies/why-half-a-million-fritillaries-didnt-make-it-this-year-8586203.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/nature_studies/why-half-a-million-fritillaries-didnt-make-it-this-year-8586203.html)
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For few days I was extremely busy and couldn't update my news. We had nice visitors from AGS Dublin Group for three days. Weather was marvellous so we could pass all day in nursery and next day visiting some hystorical monuments. Spring finally started here in full speed and it took only 3 days and now all snow disappear. Many nice bulbs are blooming both in garden and even more in greenhouse. But there are some losses, too. Many crocuses are eaten by mice and some stocks even completely. Fortunately something still left in greenhouses. Here picture of Dublin group. In center are staying my wife Guna and I - both dressed in national dressing reconstructed by arheological researhes from graves of prechristian time here - around 10th century (Christian religie was brought with sword and flame to Latvian tribes only in XIII century and we still are celebrating pagan festivals and Gods, so we are not good Christians). Yesterday we were in Publishing House with new book of Guna - Garden Magic - it will be in Latvian.
In this entry you can see various forms of Fritillaria ariana/karelinii/gibbosa complex gathered in Turkmenistan, Kazahstan, Tadjikistan and Iran.
More pictures on my home page - Garden News.
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A pair of frits
Fritillaria eduardii 'Amberland' was selected by Augis Dambrauskas from Lithuania.
This year incredibly well blooms Fritillaria davidii - from one pot up to 6 flowers!
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Fritillaria reutheri
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Fritillaria whittallii
Received as F. gussichae from Paul Christian
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Fritillaria liliacea from Alex
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Fritillaria liliacea from Alex
Is it sweetly scented, Tony?
cheers
fermi
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Is it sweetly scented, Tony?
cheers
fermi
Sorry nothing at all
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Fritillaria involucrata
One of my favourite frits.
From Pitcairn Alpines
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To you all Fritillaria experts,
I would be grateful if you could identify this species in flower now in the Val Rosandra meadows near Trieste - Italy.
Thank you in advance.
Matt
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Fritillaria involucrata
Another elegant beauty Gerry. I liked your NOT GRAECA whittallii too.
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To you all Fritillaria experts,
I would be grateful if you could identify this species in flower now in the Val Rosandra meadows near Trieste - Italy.
Thank you in advance.
Matt
I didn't know there were Frits in europe..
Since I don't know much about Frits. all I can do is to suggest this website
http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/imagesanddata.htm (http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/imagesanddata.htm)
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To you all Fritillaria experts,
I would be grateful if you could identify this species in flower now in the Val Rosandra meadows near Trieste - Italy.
Thank you in advance.
Matt
Matt - your plant looks like F. meleagris which is widespread throughout Europe, including Italy. However, I've never seen one with so much yellow in the flower. Are they all like this?
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Matt - your plant looks like F. meleagris which is widespread throughout Europe, including Italy. However, I've never seen one with so much yellow in the flower. Are they all like this?
Thank you for the reply Gerry.
Yes, the population is quite consistent with regard to the yellow marks on the flowers. The "background" brownish checked colour is also very constant...there are no white flowers - no magenta - no purple as you can see in the famous meadow in Oxford. To follow more pics take in the same location few years ago by Mirella Campochiaro.
The bigger problem for me with F. meleagris is not only the aspect but also the growing conditions. The dry, sun backed and stony meadows near Trieste have nothing to do with the fertile and very wet meadow at Magdalen College.
M.
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The bigger problem for me with F. meleagris is not only the aspect but also the growing conditions. The dry, sun backed and stony meadows near Trieste have nothing to do with the fertile and very wet meadow at Magdalen College.
M
Matt - do these meadows never get flooded?
I initially hesitated before replying because of the colour & now I wonder again since the leaves on your second set of pics seem somewhat broader than on the plants I'm familiar with though the arrangement is similar. However I suppose this is just regional variation since I cannot see what this could be (given that you are in northern Italy) other than F. meleagris.**
How tall are the plants?
**Edit: But see my next post.
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Matt - I have just looked more carefully at your second set of photos. These appear to show a whorl of 3 leaves (bracts) below the flower. This suggests F. orientalis (synonyms: F. tenella, F. montana) also recorded from Italy.
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Agree with you, Gerry. It looks a Montana group one.
First fritillaries here
1 First flowering of Fritillaria serpenticola for me
2 Fritillaria tubiformis moggridgei from Susan Band
3.Fritillaria aff.chlorantha received as 2 year old seedlings from Norman Stevens some years ago
4.Fritillaria stenanthera
5 Fritillaria caucasica
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Fritillaria meleagroides
From Frit group seed, derived from a collection made in Poltavs'ka oblast, Ukraine.
An aesthetically challenged plant; although it is 65cm tall the flower is smaller than that of F. meleagris - only 3cm long.
Though not really worth growing, it seems very easy.
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Fritillaria meleagris has flowered, now blooming Fritillaria pyrenaica.
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Matt - I have just looked more carefully at your second set of photos. These appear to show a whorl of 3 leaves (bracts) below the flower. This suggests F. orientalis (synonyms: F. tenella, F. montana) also recorded from Italy.
That's the one! Now that u have given me a name I have consulted Italian books on wild flora and they confirm your identification.
THX a lot!
M.
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I think I'm just about getting the hang of these. Managed to flower some this year. I seem to be able to produce lots of rice on some of them.
Could someone please identify the one in the first photo. I have no idea where the label is.
The one in the second photo was bought as F. gibbosa but it's not so an i.d. for that also would be helpful please.
Photos:
1. unknown
2. not F. gibbosa
3. F. meleagris 'alba'
4. F. pontica.
5. F. hermonis armana
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Lovely frits, everyone.
Graham, your "unknown" is F. affinis tristulis
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Lovely frits, everyone.
Graham, your "unknown" is F. affinis tristulis
Thanks Maggi :)
I shall add a label tomorrow.
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Fritillaria season is on here. Some from yesterday struggling against nearly 30C heat.
1.Fritillaria oblique
2. Fritillaria collina (without a petal)
3. I think it is also Fritillaria collina (any correction will be highly appreciated)
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For me this Fritillaria camschatcensis takes a lot of beating. The little devil is multiplying fast :D
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That Eurasian form of Fritillaria camschatcensis is a cracker Fred.
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First flowering for a little frit grown from NARGS seedex 2005 as Fritillaria gussichiae,
cheers
fermi
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Fritillaria davidii:
As the Galanthophiles inform about the first shot, I can tell you that at the same time
the first leaves of Fritillaria davidii break through the surface. It is early this year, the
last years it was about Mid-October. So I hope for same nice flowers next year.
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Fritillaria messanensis ssp messanensis in the garden,
taken yesterday - fortunately I had my hat to help provide some light blocking to get a view of the inside ;D
cheers
fermi
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I have had a super surprise with many of my frits this year. When I moved house and garden and nursery back in February, I planned simply to abandon a number of Fritillaria and other pots which had had nothing come up in them for two full flowering seasons the reasons being several seasons of bad drought, a certain amount of basic neglect due to illness, laziness and just far too much to do, and total weed cover, mainly grasses which I think stifled the growth of the bulbs, many of which were young and not fully matured.
On the day, I was helped by a gardening friend and by my son who is no gardener. They, thinking to bring as much as possible for the sake of recycling the pots, brought the to-be-abandoned frits, about 80 pots in all. I was a bit miffed because I thought I'd now have to throw them out myself.
This last autumn and especially winter, though mild, was very wet. At one stage in June we had 8 inches of rain in a week, usually a third of the year's total. There are still patches here in the lawn which are boggy. But this excess of water brought about what amounts to a miracle in that the frit pots, totally dead as I thought, have all leapt into growth and many have flowered or are still doing so. They're still rather grassy but I'm cleaning them up gradually and will repot or plant out the lot over the summer. Some have gone back to small bulbs with single leaves others seem to have flourished during their prolonged sleep.
The lesson of course is, even though the bulbs are APPARENTLY dead, many or even most can go dormant for a long period, even two full years, yet still come to life again when conditions suit them. I'm so grateful my helpers brought "dead" pots to my new place or there would be many species I would have to replace, even if that were now possible which in many cases it would not be.
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What a happy ending! ;D
I've found that to be the case with some species lilies, too.
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Lesley,
we look forward to seeing pics of your reclaimed Frits!
Here's yet another green and brown one - Fritillaria acmopetala
cheers
fermi
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Well I do too Fermi. About 20 have flowered to some extent. There was even a stenanthera, at the amazingly tall height of.....2 centimetres! The ones which have come through best are thessala, bithynica and the Americans, affinis, biflora and 'Martha Roderick.' Enough of those latter 3 to plant out in clumps in a new bit I'm doing in the nursery part, nearest the railway line. It's an ongoing battle with Boris and his ladies though. Came home from town yesterday to find plants of Mertensia virginica on the driveway and Corydalis malkensis shredded though retrievable thank goodness, and two plants of Hepatrica triloba uprooted and wilted. They are special because they came from Stewart Preston's garden which is, alas, no more. Sundry primulas scattered around too. If I could catch the feathery b.....d, (Boris) he'd be a pie in double quick time! Much replanting, then the application of bird netting.
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Still in Latvia "crazy" autumn (see Crocus pages, Crazy December-2013). After one night of minus 12 again is 3-5 plus degrees. In greenhouse started to bloom the first frit of season 2014 - Fritillaria karelinii from Kazahstan.
Janis
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for those who love Fritillaria ;)
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oh my god
I LOVE BULBS
even more than flowers
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oh my god
I LOVE BULBS
even more than flowers
I'm with you there, Arda!
Jim