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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: bulborum on January 28, 2013, 12:30:07 AM
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I just came along this picture
one of my favourites Arisaema kiushianum
Tomorrow I harvest the corms
Roland
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Oh, that is VERY nice, better than the forms I've seen in NZ. A real work of art Roland. ;D
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I will see the harvest in a few hours Lesley
probably less as last years harvest
many bulbs are less because of the bad summer :(
Roland
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This Arisaema sikokianum is flowering for the first time. It has always been inside my house.
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And three makes a party!
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Arisaema triphyllum start finally flowering here
grown from wild collected material
the difference is huge in colour and size
Roland
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very nice triphyllums Roland, i like the dark forms best...
here are some ariaemas from here...more to follow later :
these are the japenese beauties to begin with :
arisaema peninsulae
arisaema sikokianum
arisaema sikokianum x tosaense
Pontus
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sikokianum x tosaense backlit in closeup
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a group of potted sikokianums ready for one of my plant shows of which they where the stars! Not quite as vigorous as last year due to the very poor, cold and rainy weather in march/april, but still nice and definitely my favourite sp!!!
Pontus
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Absolutely great all those A. sikokianum! :o
The white form of A. candidissimum is way earlier to flower here than the pink form.
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and here is the same group the next day at the plant show :)
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Quite a show, Pontus!
My collection of Arisaema doesn't count that many, but here are one clumping up in my garden. I think it is A elephas but please tell me if you think otherwise.
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I have been growing a few for many years and I have to agree with you Pontus, it is certainly my favorite Arisaema as well :)
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Any chance someone has flowered and identified this Arisaema yet?
johnw
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Any chance someone has flowered and identified this Arisaema yet? johnw
Arisaema CLD 1519 was for years named and distributed as Arisaema consanguineum, but there is now an opinion that it is Arisaema fraternum,
see this link for further information:
http://rareplants.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=1918&strPageHistory=related (http://rareplants.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=1918&strPageHistory=related)
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Brilliant Diane and such a speedy response. This name is completely unknown to me. Thanks so much.
john - Ugly weather here, +28c feels like 37c.
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I have just made a gallery on my website of some of the fabulous arisaemas i saw last week in Gothenburg botanical garden, in high resolution.
there where some fabulous ones, and most where at their peak flowering period I think.
Here is the link :)
http://pontuswallstenplants.smugmug.com/Other/Arisaema-gallery/30129183_xR7jTf# (http://pontuswallstenplants.smugmug.com/Other/Arisaema-gallery/30129183_xR7jTf#)!i=2590548318&k=8qnKXw3
Pontus
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I made it from seeds several years ago
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thats a very nice strong growing form of consanguineum Karl :)
Pontus
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An unknown Arisaema in my garden today. It is smaller than the others I have. Any suggestions?
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Very nice kalle-k.dk ;D
I have the last Ariseama of 2013 season..
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JbyzZRWU36U/UdCQjJZYyHI/AAAAAAAABCs/F1c5VoWJFeU/w460-h694-no/IMGP3540b.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZKScb_1WEBo/UdCQj_RkKlI/AAAAAAAABCg/Q8mD9FLVvp4/w460-h694-no/IMGP3543b.jpg)
This season, i have my first Arisaema germination form donator of SRGC ...very good news.
I hope i could proposed to you flowering of this seeds in some year !!
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Hello Trond,
I think your arisaema might be a young arisaema cilliatum var liuabaense...it will get quite tall in a few years..maybe about 120 cm's or so
Pontus
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Hi Pontus!
Thank you. I have some unknown plants - usually I loose the labels or the names are wrong, or they are seedlings of unknown parents.
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One of 5 Ariseama fraternum CLD1519 is in flower. It is considerably more vigorous than the pint-sized siblings.
johnw - +30c
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A. fargesii is growing (and propagating) quite good, even in a large pot on my balcony. I take the tubers out for the winter and store them dry in my cool cellar.
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A few arisaemas from here :
a nice pure white form of candidissimum, a pink form of candidisimum, arisaema flavum, a silver leaf form of consanguineum, and the very nice arisaema concinnum
the latest of all here, arisaema speciosum magnificum, is just about coming above ground now....
Pontus
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I recieved this arisaema sp as consanguineum, but I believe that it is tortuosum...what do you think?
The tuber was much smaller and more rounded than a usual tortuosum.....
Pontus
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I recieved this arisaema sp as consanguineum, but I believe that it is tortuosum...what do you think?
The tuber was much smaller and more rounded than a usual tortuosum.....
Pontus
I'd say it was A. tortuosum it is a fairly variable species with a few synonyms that are occassionaly recognised. The inflorescence has a fairly characteristic smell like mushrooms.
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Arisaema costatum
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Arisaema intermedium
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Arisaema tortuosum
All flowering merrily in Penicuik at the moment
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Arisaema costatum
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Arisaema intermedium
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Arisaema tortuosum
All flowering merrily in Penicuik at the moment
Aren't they just? Growing well and super photos, Alan. I do like arisaemas and am so pleased they seem to enjoy life in Scotland!
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Aren't they just? Growing well and super photos, Alan. I do like arisaemas and am so pleased they seem to enjoy life in Scotland!
Thanks! Yeah i love Arisaemas. Boyd Barr got me into them when I worked at Branklyn. He has a lot to answer for really.
I have a few others that are over. I've got A. nepenthoides, two forms of A. griffithii, A. amurense (oddly with didnt flower this year) and A. consanguinium.
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I have a clump of Arisaema that came to me as A. consanguineum. This year I wondered about donating seed to the exchange, but since I tried to verify its identity with the Gusman's book I started to doubt. Earlier in this thread there was another A. consanguineum that was likened to A. ciliatum var. liubaense. These look very similar. Does anyone have a top-tip as to how to tell them apart? (I transplanted some last year and broke some stolons which must be from this arisaema) The tallest plant reached about 50cm.
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Hello Bart,
I would say that you have cilliatum var liuabaense, as they generally have these flowers with brown lines and larger flowers. I find that consanguineum usually has plain green leaves with green flowers, like the one I photographed this summer in Gothenburg botanical gardens that you can see in the link below :
http://pontuswallstenplants.smugmug.com/Other/Arisaema-gallery/30129183_xR7jTf# (http://pontuswallstenplants.smugmug.com/Other/Arisaema-gallery/30129183_xR7jTf#)!i=2590551472&k=974G2wq
Pontus
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I have a clump of Arisaema that came to me as A. consanguineum. This year I wondered about donating seed to the exchange, but since I tried to verify its identity with the Gusman's book I started to doubt. Earlier in this thread there was another A. consanguineum that was likened to A. ciliatum var. liubaense. These look very similar. Does anyone have a top-tip as to how to tell them apart? (I transplanted some last year and broke some stolons which must be from this arisaema) The tallest plant reached about 50cm.
The tip is this: A ciliatum is stoloniferous and has hairs on the margins of the mouth, and A ciliatum var liubaense is stoloniferous, but has no hairs, although some authorites now do not recognise var liubaense as distinct. A consanguineum is not stoloniferous. I agree with Pontus that the colour is usually a good differentiating feature, as A ciliatum usually has brown stripes.
So I agree with Pontus that your plant is A ciliatum on colour, and also because it is stoloniferous. I think that the reason this form is now very common in cultivation is because it reproduces by stolons.
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Thanks Pontus and Diane.
Diane, would it be safe to name them as such then for the seed exchange? Please see attached detail of the mouth-margin- no hairs I think. And is there an interest for these seeds or are they too common? I also have some Arum dioscoridis var. syriacum, and nice A. maculatum with lots of brown markings.
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Can anyone identify this little darling, I found in Mizoram, India at 1370m. Growing amongst Ophiopogon japonicus and Mahonia sp.
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There was also this one from the next mountain range. Also growing about the same height 1300m. Tending to grow in the clearings.
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Welcome uvularia! I do like these fimbriate Arisaemas- not that we see many of them.
Your two might be album and fraternum.............. I think they'd correspond roughly to the area you saw them in.... :-\
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Thanks Maggi. I love the A. album. Wonderful thing to come across in the forest. It seems that images of A. fraternum are quite variable on the internet. Is the leaf right for A. fraternum?
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This is another delicate one found on the same mountain - Mhui Fang. In deep shade.
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Thanks Maggi. I love the A. album. Wonderful thing to come across in the forest. It seems that images of A. fraternum are quite variable on the internet. Is the leaf right for A. fraternum?
Not sure how many leaflets the one in thepicture has - but fraternum should have 8 or 9 I think - plus I think the leaf tips of that are more acuminate and I don't see those wispy tips in your pic - so that is why I said it "might" be that.....I am no expert, far from it ... just giving a starting point for more research - or comments from others!
I do find these plants fascinating.
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Interestingly following contact with Pascal Bruggeman, it seems that the Arisaema from Reiek in my earlier post could be a new species or sub-species to India. The closest described similar species is in Thailand and China. Looks like I will have to go back and find it again. I was there in May, not a time I am normally able to get away!
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Good news that you have made contact with Pascal B. - he has studied Arisaema widely.
What a great excuse for another trip!
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We are just heading back to India next week, but to Manipur not Mizoram, to explore a heavily forested range of mountains in the west of the state. We explored the eastern border with Burma last year and were the first plant hunters in their since 1949. Frank Kingdon-Ward had been there then and the villagers showed us where he had camped with 60 porters. Amazing large tracks of forest there.