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Title: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 07, 2008, 10:08:17 PM
As I am living very close to the place where you might see the greatest Bulb Collection I know about, i thought it could be interesting posting now and then some pictures.
I hope you like this new topic.

 Overview Sortiment
 Colchicum hungaricum Velebit Star P.C.N. '06
 Narcissus Little Spell ...renamed later.... Mis Muffit
 Crocus adamii Bitschenag Tiger JR
 Crocus ancyrensis Golden Bunch v.T '96
 Crocus biflorus ssp alexandrii
 Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena Camb.B '95
 Crocus chrys. Saturnus
 Crocus korolkowii Agalik JR1


Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Carlo on February 07, 2008, 10:10:56 PM
Thanks Luit...I'll look forward to more pictures. I'll be visiting the Netherlands this May for the first time (sorry to miss all the early bulbs!)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: mark smyth on February 07, 2008, 10:11:52 PM
Thanks Luit. Will you be returning as the bulbs come into flower?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: tonyg on February 07, 2008, 10:13:53 PM
Great!  Hope you get some sunshine soon :)
Interesting top dressing, straw for protection from cold/snow?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on February 07, 2008, 10:17:49 PM
The biflorus ssp nubigena looks great!  Interesting to use the straw, although isn't wonderful for seeing the plants.  I am assuming that this is a commercial place and they're growing the plants for selling the bulbs when dormant, rather than as a collection for viewing?  Can you imagine all the wonderful seedlings that will turn up in that soil in a few years time, with all those Crocus flowering, crossing etc and then dropping their seeds.  Oh to go through there and harvest seed at the relevent times.  Some beauties would appear in the results I'd imagine.

Great pics Luit.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on February 07, 2008, 10:26:59 PM
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I hope you like this new topic.
Oh, yes! Indeed!  8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 07, 2008, 10:44:14 PM
O.k. friends, I'll do my best.
First some answers:
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Interesting top dressing, straw for protection from cold/snow?
This is a mayor dressing against the wind. In dry periods the soil (sand) would get blown off the bulbs.
In earlier days 'reet' (Phragmitis) was used. This could be used several years.
Hyacinths are also dressed with straw but much more is used, this get removed at this time of year.
When Hyacinth have made their roots they are hardy enough.

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cold/snow
 
What's that??    ???

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I am assuming that this is a commercial place and they're growing the plants for selling the bulbs when dormant, rather than as a collection for viewing?

Paul this is a collection wich is planted every year again. the man spends a lot of money but that's his
LIFE. He is just collecting and he wants to know all about his plants.
Ask him about a Tulip or Narcissus and often he will tell you the parents and grandparents as well.
Her is a picture.

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Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on February 07, 2008, 10:49:40 PM
Luit,

Interesting..... I would have thought taht the straw would have made observation of the flowers etc that much harder, as they get lost in the straw.  Seems a shame to miss the flowers.

He may lift and replant each year, but he is still going to get lots of seedlings coming up over time.  He's going to need to be careful that his collection doesn't get invaded by those seedlings, slowly losing the purity of each type that he has as the seedlings mature.  Then again, as i mentioned before, those seedlings could contain some absolute beauties!!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Carlo on February 07, 2008, 10:50:46 PM
GREAT picture, interesting technique and I love that he's gardening in a jacket!

The entire collection is replanted EVERY year???
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 07, 2008, 10:56:10 PM
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He may lift and replant each year, but he is still going to get lots of seedlings coming up over time.
Paul he does not dig the bulbs out with a machine. And seedlings are so small and get lost when sieving the sand out. and he plants the bulbs every year on different beds.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on February 07, 2008, 11:05:09 PM
Luit,

The changing of beds each year is the key there.  Glad he's playing it safe.  I still wonder how many seedlings do/are going to pop up amongst other things over time.  It would be fascinating to leave an area that had been used like that for a few years undisturbed after the main collection was removed.  It's the sort of thing I'd do if I had the time ans space...... grow a Crocus collection in an area for a year or two, carefully removing all the plants I was sure of the names of and leaving any seedlings etc.  Then just leave the area for a few years and see what resulted from the seedlings that were there and any seed that germinated after the colllection was gone.  I could just imagine having an area with little hybrid and species Crocus and Iris reticulata.... and all the differences in flowers that would entail.  Oh I wish I had more space.

I bet you didn't expect your posting of his collection to inspire my dreams of the possible seedlings did you!  ;D 

Looking forward to seeing more pics in the future as things progress.  It could be quite fascinating to watch it transform from a blank covered in straw to flowers and leaves etc.  I'd imagine by the time everything is in full growth it wouldn't be recognisable as the pictures you've just posted.  Thanks for starting this discussion!!  8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 07, 2008, 11:14:32 PM
GREAT picture, interesting technique and I love that he's gardening in a jacket!

The entire collection is replanted EVERY year???

Clothes make the man, as we say here.

And yes, every year. Digging out, drying, cleaning, sorting measures (bulbs) and planting again.
Carlo, if you are in Holland early May, there will be some flowers to see.
Send me a mail when and I take you there.

Paul, I was expecting to send some more pictures today, but I was not expecting so many replies. Now it's after midnight here and my "Boss" says it's enough!
Tomorrow I'll be returning.
Good night all!

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Carlo on February 07, 2008, 11:59:03 PM
Luit,
Thanks for the offer. I'm traveling with my lady-love to a wedding on the 24th of May in England--and will be in the Netherlands the week before photographing private gardens and the rock garden at Utrecht for lectures I am giving in 2009. Your countrymen/women are being very generous with their time so I'm trying to work out an itinerary that will allow me to do the photography I need and see some of your beautiful country. I'll keep you advised....
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Gerdk on February 08, 2008, 07:00:55 AM
Luit,
I don't know what to admire more: the ingeniosity or the individualism of this person - or your kindness to show us these pictures?
Thank you!

Gerd
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 08, 2008, 07:16:57 AM
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I don't know what to admire more: the ingeniosity or the individualism of this person

Gerd, I would say: take both. You might ask T.H.
Did you receive my mail yesterday?
Luit
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Thomas Huber on February 08, 2008, 07:26:35 AM
Morning Luit!

Great to see the plants of our friend growing so good on his fields.
Would be great to see more photos in the next weeks. Many thanks!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 08, 2008, 08:48:22 AM
Okay, here are some more pics.
First some Crocus and for those complaining not getting the bulbs(plants) showed in a catalogue I start with one, of which the Dutch Crocus Committee decided this week as being wrong. This happens everywhere.
That doesn't mean of course that I like it.

Crocus korolkowii Mountains Glory (wrong)
 Crocus korolkowii Number Twelve
 Crocus korolkowii Number Twelve 
 Crocus korolkowii Spring Cocktail
 Crocus korolkowii Yellow Tiger J
 Crocus sieberi Firefly
 Crocus sieberii ssp. atticus P.C.N. '93
 Iris hircana Talish JR
 Iris histr. George v.T.'92


Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 08, 2008, 08:59:35 AM
Great idea to take us around through this collection Luit !
It will be great to see what other treasures are still hidden under the straw !  Very interesting topic - keep your camera ready  ;)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 08, 2008, 09:09:34 AM
Here's the last batch for this time:

Iris ret. Clairette
 Iris ret. Gordon
 Iris ret. Springtime P.C.N. '93
 Iris ret.Lovely Liza JR
 Iris ret.Pauline P.C.N. '93
 Iris ret.Purple Gem P.C.N '93
 Iris ret.Velvet Smile JR
 Iris ret.Violet Beauty

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Gerdk on February 08, 2008, 10:20:30 AM
Did you receive my mail yesterday?
Luit

Luit,
Yes, I did. Thank you!

Please continue this report!

Gerd
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: ian mcenery on February 08, 2008, 10:27:40 AM
Thanks Luit for the tour it is very informative. Keep em coming!!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Hans A. on February 08, 2008, 10:35:20 AM
Luit - Thank a lot for this pictures and your added information :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: art600 on February 08, 2008, 12:04:00 PM
Luit

There are a lot of bulbs that given good growing conditions will multiply very well.  What does he do with his 'surplus' bulbs?  Has he room to expand or is it a finite area.  From the picture of him planting his bulbs it does seem a vast area.
Is he known throughout Holland



Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on February 08, 2008, 12:42:32 PM
Luit, thanks a lot for this collection.
Very helpful to see the difference on many I.reti. and crocus. 8)
Please continue... :P
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 09, 2008, 07:24:40 AM
Luit
There are a lot of bulbs that given good growing conditions will multiply very well.  What does he do with his 'surplus' bulbs?  Has he room to expand or is it a finite area.  From the picture of him planting his bulbs it does seem a vast area.
Is he known throughout Holland

Arthur, this area is part of appr. 2 - 3 Ha and will shove every year a little. The land is ploughed and the beds are made in advantage by a tractor.
Some surplus bulbs get sold now and then to plantlover-groups for a plantstall with special interest in having something special and the good names to the bulbs. (Also in G.B.)
And when he is planting  he puts the surplusbulbs aside, they go as special mix to an exporter. But the whole is a
non-profit business.
The man is known as Committee Member for Tulips and Narcissi in Holland and he is often invited to the RHS DAFFODIL AND TULIP COMMITTEE.
Luit

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: art600 on February 09, 2008, 10:44:24 AM
Luit

Thanks for info - wouldbe great to be able to obtain some of the surplus, but I do understand why he would not want to get involved - too time consuming.

Look forward to more delights as time passes.

Many thanks for your time.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 10, 2008, 10:23:09 PM
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Narcissus Little Spell
Today and yesterday were good days to make pictures. I was thinking about making pics. once a week so early in the year. That seemed to be wrong thoughts.

Today I found out that the 3rd picture of Narcissus Little Spell got misnamed.
It should be: Narcissus div.I Y.Y. Miss Muffit   
Here is a new picture.

There is more to come soon!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 11, 2008, 08:48:32 AM
Lots of Crocus to see in the Collectio, and some others as well.
Here is the first batch:

Note:
I believe about the name of Crocus E.A. Bowles are still some queries,
that's why I put [-] behind the name.

Crocus adenensis Cam.B. '98
 Crocus biflorus ssp. issauricus Camb. '95
 Crocus biflorus Miss Vain
 Crocus biflorus ssp. weldenii Fairy
 Crocus candidus subflavus
 Crocus chrysanthus Aubade N.J. '95
 Crocus chrysanthus E.A. Bowles [-]
 Crocus chrysanthus E.P. Bowles
 Corydalis bracteata Marina JR '99
 Corydalis wendelboi ssp. wendelboi Nr. 174 JR '01

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 11, 2008, 08:52:58 AM
And here for now the second batch:

 Crocus chrysanthus Goldene Sonne N.J. '95 
 Crocus chrysanthus Herald 
 Crocus chrysanthus Elegance 
 Crocus chrysanthus Fuscotinctus 
 Crocus chrysanthus Milea PCN '06 
 Crocus chrysanthus Moonlight JZ '06 
 Crocus chrysanthus res. Snowbunting
 Iris bakeriana PCN 92  edit: This should be Iris histrio ssp. aintabensis!
 Iris histioides Angel Tears PCN '92 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 11, 2008, 09:02:09 AM
Hi Luit !
You're quite busy on this Monday morning  ;D
That C. chrysanthus Herald looks very good indeed and it's one I have'nt heard of before.
Would you have another picture please, I love the colour contrasts.

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on February 11, 2008, 06:51:38 PM
Lots of Crocus to see in the Collectio, and some others as well.
Here is the first batch:

Note:
I believe about the name of Crocus E.A. Bowles are still some queries,
that's why I put [-] behind the name.

Crocus adenensis Cam.B. '98
 Crocus biflorus ssp. issauricus Camb. '95
 Crocus biflorus Miss Vain
 Crocus biflorus ssp. weldenii Fairy
 Crocus candidus subflavus
 Crocus chrysanthus Aubade N.J. '95
 Crocus chrysanthus E.A. Bowles [-]
 Crocus chrysanthus E.P. Bowles
 Corydalis bracteata Marina JR '99
 Corydalis wendelboi ssp. wendelboi Nr. 174 JR '01



Hello Luit,
very interesting series.
Would it be possible for you to kindly take pictures of the outer markings of
E.A Bowles and E.P. Bowles and post it?
I'm interested to see the differences.
Pictures found in the web have a poor quality.
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 11, 2008, 07:04:37 PM
I do my best, Armin. I hope there will be some good flowers when I get there next time.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on February 11, 2008, 07:06:53 PM
Hello Luc,

Behringmeier is selling "Herald" in their offer ;)
http://http://www.saatgut-shop.com/query.php?cp_sid=44830111c0cd&cp_tpl=main

But now it has "sold out" status. Click on "Blumenzwiebeln/Ausverkauft" and then select "Krokusse", "Botanische Krokusse". The direct link to the picture is not working.

Hello Luit,
thank you I'll wait patiently. :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 11, 2008, 09:59:31 PM
Here are some more pictures from the Collection.
I'll try to show a bit more of the different shades in the flowers, because there are coming some questions about.
By taking and showing pictures I learn slowly a bit more about Crocus, which for me just were bulbous flowers.
My apologies for showing some flowers twice in this manner.
In this batch is one "Special" for Thomas with thankful regards!

Crocus biflorus ssp. alexandrii
 Crocus chrysanthus Elegance
 Crocus chrysanthus Herald
 Crocus chrysanthus Moonlight JZ '06
 Crocus chrysanthus Moonlight
 Crocus chrysanthus Uschak Orange P+M '97
 Crocus chrysanthus Warley
 Crocus chrysanthus Warley 2
 Bulbocodium vernum res
 Narcissus Div. I Crewenna (Rijnveld's Early Sens. x Foresight R.A. Sc. '03
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 11, 2008, 10:06:43 PM
And the next batch.
I find this Narcissus very special with these white markingson the trumpets.

Narcissus Div. I Crewenna (Rijnveld's Early Sens. x Foresight R.A. Sc. '03
 Crocus chrysanthus White Beauty N.J. '95
 Crocus chrysanthus Zwanenburg Bronze
 Crocus corsicus
 Crocus flavus Golden Yellow
 Crocus fleischerii
 Crocus gargaricus PCN '93
 Iris histrioides var. sophenensis PCN '07
 Iris retic. Harmony (I. ret. x I. histr. var. major) CSW '98
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: mark smyth on February 11, 2008, 10:25:41 PM
Herald is a beauty as is the Narcissus
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Thomas Huber on February 12, 2008, 07:38:27 AM
Thanks Luit - great to see my Warley on a Dutch field!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 12, 2008, 04:17:24 PM
Beautiful show Luit - I hope I didn't make you lie down on your belly to take some of these pix  ;D
But you'll have to admit - C. chysanthus 'Herald' looks a lot better than in the previous pic !  ::)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 12, 2008, 04:36:37 PM
Beautiful show Luit - I hope I didn't make you lie down on your belly to take some of these pix  ;D
But you'll have to admit - C. chysanthus 'Herald' looks a lot better than in the previous pic !  ::)

It's such nice feeling, you are concerned about me crawling over this field Luc.   ::) ::)  ::)  :P
Pfffffft, only about one hundred to go still..., what a life!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 12, 2008, 04:38:39 PM
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 13, 2008, 10:09:23 PM
Today was a cold foggy day here, so I could resize some more pictures from the Collection.
Here is for instance a picture of Iris ret. Alida as it should be.
I remember there was last week somewhere another picture with the question if it is healthy.
And there are four pics. of Crocus korolkowii + cult.
Iris retic. Harmony (I. ret. x I. histr. var. major) CSW '98
 Iris reticulata Alida 1
 Iris reticulata Alida 2
 Crocus korolkowii Dark Throat JR 2000
 Crocus korolkowii Dark Throat 2
 Crocus korolkowii Kiss of Spring PCN '93
 Crocus korolkowii vT '92
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 13, 2008, 10:15:19 PM
And some more:
Crocus leichtlinii 2 cam 99
 Crocus minimus
 Crocus reticulatus x angustifolius JR '01
 Crocus sieberi Bowles White
 Crocus sieberi Hubert Edelsten
 Iris reticulata Cantab PCN '93
 Iris reticulata Halkis 2
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 13, 2008, 10:23:02 PM
and after these last ones of today I will wait until the weather is getting better.
 Crocus sieberi ssp. atticus PCN '93
 Crocus sieberi ssp. sublimis PCN '95
 Crocus sieberi Violet Queen
 Crocus vernus Croatia JR 2000
 Iris reticulata Jeannine PCN '92
 Iris reticulata Springtime PCN '93
 Iris reticulata Palm Springs PCN '07
 Iris reticulata Royal Blue 1
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: dominique on February 13, 2008, 10:39:44 PM
Luit very thank you for these  pics;

Thomas, why do you say 'my Warley' ?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 13, 2008, 11:09:12 PM
Luit very thank you for these  pics;

Thomas, why do you say 'my Warley' ?

Dominique, most Warley in trade are not real and the one I showed came from Thomas into this collection and is the real one.

Sorry Thomas that I answered this before you could but I I wrote it down before thinking.  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 13, 2008, 11:21:16 PM
Luit, I think that Thomas will not mind, he will not be online again until tomorrow!

That's what I thought afterwards too Maggi, but reading it I could not resist.
And I just found out Dominique showed his C. Warley today.
Well let them discuss tomorrow! I'm off, after midnight again.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on February 13, 2008, 11:22:58 PM
We could all discuss how lovely 'Warley' is!
Sleep well, Friend!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: dominique on February 14, 2008, 01:07:54 AM
Thank for the replies, Luit and Maggi and Bravo at Thomas for its true Warley
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Thomas Huber on February 14, 2008, 07:59:08 AM
No problem Luit! I have meanwhile given the answer to Dominique in the crocus-thread!

My plant was a finding between corms of chrysanthus Snowbunting in 2004 - only one single corm.
This was separated and grown on in the last years. I made a good photo on Tuesday which I will
show later.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 19, 2008, 10:23:44 PM
We had some sunny days and despite the cold some new flowers
showed their noses and flowers.
Batch one:

Crocus angustifolius Minor P.C.N. '92 11 res.                                               
Crocus chrysanthus Dorothy res.                                                             
Crocus chrysanthus Goldilocks res.  correction:  = E.P. Bowles               
                                                         
Crocus olivieri ssp. balansae Zwanenburg 4 res.                                             
Crocus vitellinus P.C.N. '04 2 res.
Crocus --Iris bed res.                                                         
Narcissus Div. 6 First Hope [Jana x Rijnveld's Early Sens. R.A.Sc. '95  1 res.               
Narcissus Div. 6 First Hope [Jana x Rijnveld's Early Sens. R.A.Sc. '95 2 res.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 19, 2008, 10:29:31 PM
And the last batch for today:

Iris danfordiae Fertile Form J.R. '05 res.                   
Iris reticulata Ida C.S.W. '98 res.                           
Iris reticulata Marguerite P.C.N. '92 res.                     
Iris reticulata v.T. '92  2 res.                           
Iris reticulata Velvet Smile J.R. '05 1 res.               
Iris reticulata Velvet Smile J.R. '05. 2 res.

The first tulip is waiting to explode:

Tulipa kaufmanniana Hybr. Early Harvest 1 res.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on February 19, 2008, 10:37:30 PM
Wow! Such colour on that Tulip ! The Narcissus Jana are strong little things.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: mark smyth on February 19, 2008, 11:06:39 PM
Luit is this your collection?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 20, 2008, 07:25:55 AM
Oh Mark, it seems you are just awaking from your White Fever sleep.  ;D ;D ;D

But I don't blame you, it is almost impossible to see everything on this great Forum.
There's so much to see, that while you are thinking about a little reaction and see something else you like, you totally forget what you wanted to do just before.
Here's special for you my first writing on this Topic:

Quote
As I am living very close to the place where you might see the greatest Bulb Collection I know about, I thought it could be interesting posting now and then some pictures.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Thomas Huber on February 20, 2008, 07:45:55 AM
Morning Luit!

Crocus "Dorothy" and "Goldilocks" on our friends field looks different to the plants I have under that name!
My "Dorothy" has a stronger feathering, but maybe that's just a trick of light on your photo?
"Goldilocks" looks like the plant I have as "EP Bowles". My "Goldilocks" has a brighter yellow and bigger blotch.

From both I have plenty of, so please ask Mr. X if he wants to have some of my corms!

Last but not least: His olivieri ssp balansae looks virused - please check the leaves of this plant!!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: ranunculus on February 20, 2008, 08:15:30 AM
Beautiful images Luit and Thomas.....Our thanks once again.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 20, 2008, 08:33:57 AM
Great shots again - thank you Luit - I propose we now name you
Our spy out in the cold. ;D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 20, 2008, 09:13:49 AM
Thank you all for your nice comments!

Thomas, when I made these pictures it was very windy and cold, the colours may look
different because it was for some plants only possible to make pictures in the so called "sport stand".
I'll have a good look at those plants when I'm there again.
And I will pass your findings to Mr. Connoisseur.

Luc, I'm warming up now for the next round.   :D :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 20, 2008, 01:45:54 PM
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Crocus "Dorothy" and "Goldilocks" on our friends field looks different to the plants I have under that name!  T.H.


I've made a correction on Goldilocks. Dorothy I will try from an other side.
Many Crocuses on the field did badly suffer from dry frosts in very clear nights!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 25, 2008, 03:28:12 PM
Yesterday I could make some more pictures in the Collection.
First some special made for Thomas,   (sorry NOT ONLY for him)

Crocus chrysanthus Dorothy J.A. '93           (during the cold period)   
Crocus chrysanthus Dorothy       and after...               
Crocus chrysanthus Goldilocks 1

The next two are almost the same but when okay there is some difference
Whitewell Purple is a bit darker overall.

Crocus tommasinianus Barr's Purple      (from 1939)             
Crocus tommasinianus Whitewell Purple (from 1933)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 25, 2008, 03:35:19 PM
The next batch some Crocus and some Iris

Crocus biflorus ssp. biflorus 2         
Crocus chrysanthus Aubade
Crocus chrysanthus Cream Beauty                                   
Crocus chrysanthus orig. spec.  (since Sunday we know from Ibrahim there are better ones)
Crocus chrysanthus Romance   
  Iris histr. Sheila Ann Germaney
Iris reticulata Alida
Iris reticulata Pixie [Harmony sport]
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 25, 2008, 03:47:03 PM
And the last batch for today

Crocus chrysanthus Sunspot     This was made before the frost but now there's not much to photograph left, so here is what I have.     
Crocus reticulatus x angustifolius Janis Ruksans         

Crocus sieberi George       In post nr. 252 page 17 Crocus thread was another
                                    picture from Anne. I was told a selection of Hubert Edelsten probably.

Crocus sieberi M. Hoog's Memory             
Crocus stellaris                 
Crocus tommasinianus x Yalta

Fritillaria raddeana
Narcissus Div. I Small Fry [M.J. Berkeley x N. asturiensis] 
Tulipa kaufmanniana Hybr.  Early Harvest 
          This Tulip I already showed the last time before the frost period, most of them have suffered now.

 


   
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: David Nicholson on February 25, 2008, 04:01:47 PM
Many thanks for taking the time and the trouble to post these Luit, lovely pictures.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 25, 2008, 04:05:53 PM
Again a very nice series Luit !
Nice to see how Crocus sunspot just pokes through the surface - afraid from the cold ???
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: annew on February 25, 2008, 06:28:52 PM
Really enjoying this thread!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on February 25, 2008, 06:48:49 PM
Quote
Luit;
Yesterday I could make some more pictures in the Collection.

 
Crocus tommasinianus Whitewell Purple (from 1933)


Luit, thanks for the great pictures.
This "whitewell purple" form is different to the one general offered with large flowers and a dark stem. See my picture. On the opposite I purchased also "whitewell purple" which looked like the one in the collection.
Which one is the true species? Or are there maybe two "competitive" forms?

Thomas and all other crocus specimen - your turn please!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on February 25, 2008, 07:09:25 PM

Armin, you'll have to wait till Thomas wakes up in the morning.
We started our (private) discussions on Crocus last year with this problem through Maggi.
Alas I lost most of our correspondence by a P.C. crash last summer, but Thomas is the expert on this.
And this is why I made these pictures special for Thomas!
Luit
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on February 25, 2008, 07:12:47 PM
Luit,
thanks. I remembered that.
That's why I made an issue.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Thomas Huber on February 26, 2008, 08:29:27 AM
Yesterday I could make some more pictures in the Collection.
First some special made for Thomas,   (sorry NOT ONLY for him)

Crocus chrysanthus Dorothy J.A. '93           (during the cold period)   

The next two are almost the same but when okay there is some difference
Whitewell Purple is a bit darker overall.
 
Crocus tommasinianus Whitewell Purple (from 1933)

Morning Luit! Thanks for the Dorothy photos - they look exactly like mine now! Also Goldilocks looks OK!
Any more corms wanted by Mr.X next weekend?

But Armin is right about tommasinianus Whitewell Purple. The one you show is Ruby Giant (white stem)
while Armins is the true WP (dark stem). This is the final result of the discussion with Maggi last year!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on March 02, 2008, 05:19:08 AM
Wonderful shots Luit, just wonderful.  Love that C. sieberi 'George' in particular.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 02, 2008, 08:46:21 AM
Wonderful shots Luit, just wonderful.  Love that C. sieberi 'George' in particular.

Thank you Paul.
There's still more to come.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: gote on March 02, 2008, 09:40:52 AM
Luit,
I just want to say thank you for these pictures.
there are so many mis-named and unnamed bulbs out there so your pictures are very helpful.
I have a nice white chrysanthus? that came as speicosus alba
I also have speciosus alba that came with exactly the same label.
A long time ago I bought a Lily bulb.
The name on the packet did not match the picture and when it emerged it was a third cultivar.
Have a nice spring
Göte
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 03, 2008, 08:31:43 PM
Luit,
I just want to say thank you for these pictures.
there are so many mis-named and unnamed bulbs out there so your pictures are very helpful.
I have a nice white chrysanthus? that came as speicosus alba
I also have speciosus alba that came with exactly the same label.
A long time ago I bought a Lily bulb.
The name on the packet did not match the picture and when it emerged it was a third cultivar.
Have a nice spring
Göte
Thank you Göte, one could write a book about wrong deliveries, don't you think?

Here are some more pictures of the Collection:

Crocus chrysanthus Blue Pearl v.T. '92  res   
 Crocus chrysanthus Prinses Beatrix N.J. '95 res
Crocus chrysanthus Saturnus res             
Crocus chrysanthus Skyline res.               

Crocus cvijicii [delivered as] res 
Here one can see that the wrong ones not only get delivred abroad.                   

Crocus jessopiae Cam.B. '01 res               
Fritillaria raddeana Br. G. '05 res   
 Colchicum hungaricum res.                               

Colchicum hungaricum Velebit Star P.C.N. 06 res
These plants are at least six weeks in flower now! A SUPER COLCHICUM.   

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 04, 2008, 10:07:08 PM
And some more pictures:
Corydalis  solida Purper Beauty J.H. '01 res   
Crocus korolkowii Varzob J.R. '2000 res. 
Crocus reticulatus Little Amber J.R. '03 2 res 
Crocus tommasinianus  Barr's Purple res     
Crocus tommasinianus Eric Smith  Av. B. '93 res
Crocus tommasinianus Ruby Giant 1 res.       
Crocus vernus  Enchantress  P+M. '03 res   
Iris Frank Elder P.C.N. '07 res                     
Iris histrioides Sheila Ann Germaney P+M '93 res   
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 05, 2008, 08:50:24 AM
Thanks for living up to your reputation and braving the cold for us again Luit !  ;D

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 06, 2008, 09:01:47 AM
And braving the cold for you again Luc,
here are some more:


Crocus vernus  Grand Maitre  Av. B.'04 res   
Crocus vernus Glory of Sassenheim P+M '03 3 res 
Crocus vernus Glory of Sassenheim P+M '03 4 res   
Crocus  vernus Jeanne d'Arc  Av. B.'02 res   
Crocus vernus King of the Striped  '06 1 res     
Crocus vernus King of the Striped  '06 2 res                 
Colchicum luteum J.R. '01  1 res.             
Colchicum luteum J.R. '01 2 res           
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on March 06, 2008, 07:03:58 PM
Luit,
many thanks.
C. vernus "Glory of Sassenheim" is unusual  8)
It seems it is not anymore in commercial trade.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 06, 2008, 10:10:57 PM
Luit,
many thanks.
C. vernus "Glory of Sassenheim" is unusual  8)
It seems it is not anymore in commercial trade.

65 years of age, probably on retirement, Armin!    :D :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 06, 2008, 10:16:35 PM
Crocustime coming slowly to an end, so there are more other bulbs coming:

Crocus vernus Little Dorit 3 res                   
Crocus vernus Little Dorit 4 re                 
Iris reticulata Alba PCN '93         
Iris reticulata Hercules 2 res   
Iris reticulata Hercules 3 res               
Iris reticulata J.S. Dijt                   
Tulipa kaufmann. Group Josef Kafka res
Tulipa kaufmann. Group Love Song
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: David Nicholson on March 07, 2008, 09:49:54 AM
I like Iris 'Hercules', very nice.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 07, 2008, 10:03:00 AM
Same here - Hercules is a little stunner - so dark  8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 07, 2008, 10:14:08 AM
I like Iris 'Hercules', very nice.
Yes a real eyecather, David.

Here some more pictures:

Crocus vernus Paulus Potter P+M '03 2 res       
Crocus vernus Pickwick v.T. '92 1             
Crocus vernus Queen of the Blues  Av. B.'02 res 
Crocus vernus Spring Trophy res                 
Crocus vernus Spring Trophy res 2                 
Crocus vernus Vanguard Av. B.'02 res           
Tulipa kaufmann. Group The First res   
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: art600 on March 07, 2008, 11:13:16 AM
Does anyone know a supplier of Crocus vernus Spring Trophy?  A stunner
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: annew on March 07, 2008, 12:51:21 PM
And Paulus Potter too.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 07, 2008, 01:13:30 PM
Here are another two tulips. How could I forget them?  ??? :-[

Tulipa kaufmanniana Duplosa res     
Tulipa kaufmann. Group Showwinner 2 res                     

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on March 07, 2008, 09:19:47 PM
Luit,
this collection is great.
Paulus Potter is fantastic 8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 07, 2008, 09:24:52 PM
Paulus Potter is fantastic 8)

Yes Armin, that's what I thought, seeing it peeping through the straw.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on March 07, 2008, 09:27:46 PM
Is Crocus 'Paulus Potter' the darkest purple of any crocus, do you think? I can't think of any I have seen that are richer  in colour all over the flower and on down the tube, too.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 07, 2008, 09:36:46 PM
Maggi I believe Early Perfection is coming nearby this colour.
I hope to show it soon.
Everytime I walk along this Crocus bed I am surprised again.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2008, 02:52:51 PM
Some new pictures from the Collection:

Iris histrioides Major Cam.B. '2000 1
Iris histrioides Major Cam.B. '2000 2
Crocus sieberi ssp. sieberi Cam.B. '01
Crocus chrysanthus Prins Claus  B.
Crocus chrysanthus Willem van Eeden (Named after the man who has contributed so many good
                                                    new Crocus varieties)
Crocus vernus Early Perfection P.List '92 2
Crocus vernus Early Perfection P.List '92 3
Narcissus bed           
Narcissus Div. 1 Gypsy Queen  R.A. Sc. '95
Narcissus Div. 8   Innisidgen R.A.Sc. '03

And for those who want to acquire some of the special bulbs.
Every pict. is added with the origin and year of acquiring after the names( as far as on hand)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on March 10, 2008, 06:53:25 PM
Luit,
phantastic. I like the C.sieberi ssp. sieberi who's yellow color is shining through like yolk of an egg.
What impress me is the soil - sand!
This is likely one success factor of dutch bulb breeders ;D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 10, 2008, 07:15:04 PM
Great show again Luit - I particularly like I. histrioides major - what a fine blue !
Guess you were the spy out in the wind instead of the cold today Luit - How's your hairdo ??  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2008, 09:55:05 PM
Great show again Luit - I particularly like I. histrioides major - what a fine blue !
Guess you were the spy out in the wind instead of the cold today Luit - How's your hairdo ??  ;D ;D

They were not made today, Luc!

How's your hairdo ??  ;D ;D

Well looking at your avatar Luc, I'm not complaining!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2008, 10:05:11 PM
What impress me is the soil - sand!
This is likely one success factor of dutch bulb breeders ;D

Armin, Crocus were (when I was younger) mostly grown by the poorer growers
and they didn't have the best sandy soils useful for Hyacinths etc. like the place
where I make the pictures now!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2008, 10:14:32 PM
Here is another batch:

Crocus chrysanthus Blue Bird
Crocus flavus M.T.4578 Mon. '95
Crocus malyi Sveti Roc PCN, '03

Selecting Narcissus                   
            With such a collection it is necessary to look everyday
            for wrong plants or viruses otherwise ill plants.

Narcissus Div. 6 Lemon Silk R.A. Sc. '01
Narcissus Salakee R.A. Sc. 2000
Fitillaria stenanthera select. De Gr. '01
Scilla mischtschenkoana CSW. '99 1
Scilla mischtschenkoana Zwanenburg J.R. '01
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 11, 2008, 03:47:21 AM
I like the C.sieberi ssp. sieberi who's yellow color is shining through like yolk of an egg.


I very much like the colour of the flowers BUT.... perhaps I'm getting paranoid about all the possible virus attacks mentioned recently among the crocuses but I'm not happy about the yellowing of the foliage on the C. sieberi ssp. sieberi. What does anyone else think? Not my problem of course in this instance, but if it IS virus, this gentleman should be encouraged to root out possible offenders because with so intensely planted a collection, disease could spread like wildfire.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on March 11, 2008, 06:48:23 AM
Wonderful Luit.  Wondeful!!  I particularly like that Frit stenanthera.  What a corker!!  Beautiful!  8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 11, 2008, 01:24:53 PM
I very much like the colour of the flowers BUT.... perhaps I'm getting paranoid about all the possible virus attacks mentioned recently among the crocuses but I'm not happy about the yellowing of the foliage on the C. sieberi ssp. sieberi. What does anyone else think? Not my problem of course in this instance, but if it IS virus, this gentleman should be encouraged to root out possible offenders because with so intensely planted a collection, disease could spread like wildfire.

Lesley I am pretty sure it's no virus! There was a little bit too much straw on the leaves and this was just removed before some strong frosts. That's why they look a bit yellowish. I took today this leaf home and studied it exactly
under a magnifying glass!

You were probably reading too much ïn the "White Fever Topics"  ;D ;D ;D   :P
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 11, 2008, 02:00:50 PM
Some more pictures:

Tulipa kaufmanniana group Type
Tulipa kaufmanniana PCN. 93
Tulipa kaufmanniana  hybr. Franz Lehar G.Ma. '94
Crocus bed               
Crocus vernus Haarlem Gem
Crocus vernus Peter Pan
Crocus vernus Purpureus Grandiflorus P+M '03
Crocus vernus Remembrance Br. Ga. '02
Tulipa     Showwinner       
Tulipa greigii Group Carioca 'Type'
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on March 11, 2008, 02:43:29 PM
Crocus vernus Purpureus Grandiflorus is the darkest, richest, most delicious purple I have seen. Is it an old variety, or is it likely to be available in the trade?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 11, 2008, 04:22:20 PM
Crocus vernus Purpureus Grandiflorus is the darkest, richest, most delicious purple I have seen. Is it an old variety, or is it likely to be available in the trade?

Maggi today I was there again and made some pictures.
I'll try to resize as soon as possible, but first have to make fire before the lady freezes.  ::) ::) 8)
So watch the Crocus Topic a little later, I do have a surprise.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Gerry Webster on March 11, 2008, 07:52:55 PM
Luit, the Iris histrioides is superb. Does "Cam.B" stand for Cambridge Bulbs (Norman Stevens)?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 11, 2008, 09:55:34 PM
Luit, the Iris histrioides is superb. Does "Cam.B" stand for Cambridge Bulbs (Norman Stevens)?
The answer is YES Gerry.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 11, 2008, 10:35:10 PM

Lesley I am pretty sure it's no virus! There was a little bit too much straw on the leaves and this was just removed before some strong frosts. That's why they look a bit yellowish. I took today this leaf home and studied it exactly
under a magnifying glass!

You were probably reading too much ïn the "White Fever Topics"  ;D ;D ;D   :P

Oh, well  I'm pleased about that Luit. Funny, 'cos I don't even HAVE "Whte Fever" or only a very mild dose. :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 11, 2008, 11:00:29 PM
 ;D ;D ;D             8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 14, 2008, 12:03:11 PM
Some pictures of this weeks visit:

Bulbfields around our house   
Narcissus Carclew R.A. Sc. '96
Narcissus Cornish Chuckles R.A. Sc. 2000
Narcissus Double Roman R.A.Sc. '97
Narcissus Duiker     Ringhaddy '02
Narcissus Nancegollan Br. Ga.
Crocus chrysanthus Willem van Eeden
Crocus vernus Negro Boy 2             
Crocus vernus Negro Boy 3

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on March 14, 2008, 12:59:41 PM
Luit,

as you can see crocus vernus 'Negro Boy' is easily identified from other dark-coloured cultivars by having slightly darker tips at the top of outer petals
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on March 14, 2008, 01:04:17 PM
Armin,

Crocus vernus 'Glory of Sasenheim' was offered by Pottertons Nursery few years ago. Though in their new catalogue they offer crocus 'Purpureus Grandiflorus'
http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/browse.php?folder=342
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 15, 2008, 07:12:30 AM
And some more:

Last week I showed a selection of Fritillaria stenanthera.
Here is the one mostly found in trade.


Tulipa greigii Hybr. Rose d 'Amour             
Tulipa kaufmanniana Hybr. Stresa   

and a smaller field with Narcissus Tête à Tête
(of totally more than 600 Hectars grown in Holland)

Narcissus Tête à Tête field  Nw.   
Narcissus Golden Quince R.A. Sc.             
Narcissus Little Beauty         
Narcissus Mite J. Am.           
Narcissus nr. S 285 R.A. Sc. '95             
Narcissus Royal Connection R.A. Sc. '02       
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 16, 2008, 12:21:47 PM
Some more pictures :

Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Orange Boy
Tulipa kaufmanniana Hybr. Corona
Crocus vernus White Christmas P+M '93 
Crocus biflorus Atrospermus Aff. Cam.B '05
Crocus chrysanthus Jeannine
Crocus vernus ssp. vernus Oradea  J.R. '01
Narcissus Cragford         
Narcissus Jetage Br. Ga. '98
Narcissus Phalarope B. Dunc. 2000
 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 16, 2008, 01:48:53 PM
and more:
             
Narcissus Abba           
Narcissus Jumblie             
Narcissus Satellite               
Narcissus Swift K.v.d.V. 2000
Narcissus Tuggle Seedling 6649  B.S. Dunc.                 
Crocus vernus Jubilee 1.             
Crocus vernus Jubilee 2.               
Crocus vernus Jubilee 3
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on March 17, 2008, 07:03:09 AM
Luit,

Would you, please, photograph the leaevs of crocus 'Negro Boy' from a close distance. I want to see if there is virus on the leaves.
My 'Negro Boy' and 'Vanguard' from Dix's Export are blooming abundantly, but, unfortunately, the whole stock is heavily infected with leaf mosaic. It seems that 90% of Dutch stock, as most of the growers noticed, is infected with this kind of virus. I periodically obtain crocus vernus hybrids from different Dutch sourses and then after blooming trash the all stock because of the infection.

I think that I should better obtain these plants from small growers, who don't cultivate them for mass production. I'll see.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 21, 2008, 08:09:35 AM
To justice my (nick)name I braved the cold again this week, but don't expect me going to the fields the coming three or four days. Brrrrrr.!

Batch 1:
Crocus chrysanthus White Triumphator
Crocus vernus Twinborne P + M '03   
Narcissus DIV 1 Brighton       
Narcissus DIV 1 Honeymoon 1           
Narcissus DIV 1 Honeymoon  2 
Tulipa kaufmanniana Ancilla
Tulipa kaufmanniana Brilliant       
Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Berlioz
Tulipa kaufmanniana Solanus
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 21, 2008, 08:15:13 AM
 Next batch:
 Crocus etruscus M.S. 979  Mon.'95
Crocus chrysanthus Zenith
Tulipa greigii Hybr Echo       
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Trouvaille
Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Joy Bells
Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Willem Hageman's Memory
Narcissus DIV 1 King Alfred
Narcissus DIV 11a  Mistral           
Narcissus DIV 11a Giant Split J.R. '04   
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on March 21, 2008, 08:23:33 AM
Luit,

Wonderful pics!!!
crocus vernus 'Twinborn' is very popular here and easily avalable in trade from a small growers.

It is quite interesting to look at those small greigii hybrids. I mostly grow greigii tulips of D.W. Lefeber's introduction, which, comparing to these, are really giants growing up to 50-65 cm (sometimes 70 cm) with huge flowers. I will show some photos when mine are in bloom.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: mark smyth on March 21, 2008, 08:34:25 AM
How do we get this man's sales list?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 21, 2008, 09:47:00 PM
Well I think Crocus time is over now,
but there are coming enough other things to show.

Narcissus hispanicus Maximus
Narcissus Javelin (or Fire Alarm)
Narcissus DIV 1 Golden Harvest 
Muscari aucheri Dark Eyes PCN. '93
Hyacinthella pallens  vT. '92
Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Pink Dwarf
Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Sweelinck
Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Shakespeare 2 
Tulipa greigii group 'Carioca' Type
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 22, 2008, 04:24:09 PM
and some more:

Chionodoxa forbesii Pink Giant PCN. '06
Chionodoxa forbesii (luciliae) Zwanenburg PCN. '93
Tulipa fosteriana Group Dance         
Tulipa fosteriana group Dance 2     
Tulipa kaufmanniana Group  Mendelssohn
Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Orange Boy
Narcissus DIV 1 President Carter PCN '98         
Narcissus DIV 1 Schönbrunn       
Narcissus DIV 4 Wheal Bush R.A.Sc. '99
Narcissus DIV 7 odorus Rugulosus
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on March 23, 2008, 07:50:29 PM
Luit,
lovely pix as always.

My N. x odorus is a bit shy in flowering compared the 1st year after I had purchased them - in spite of potassium, magnesium & phosphate fertilizer. They have produced lot of leaves and set many new daughter bulbs.
Shall I increase the dose?
Any good advices?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 23, 2008, 10:01:11 PM
Luit,
lovely pix as always.

My N. x odorus is a bit shy in flowering compared the 1st year after I had purchased them - in spite of potassium, magnesium & phosphate fertilizer. They have produced lot of leaves and set many new daughter bulbs.
Shall I increase the dose?
Any good advices?
Armin. this might be one, which need more heat during the resting period.
As you will know these bulbs in the Collection are taken out every summer,
so getting more heat as when leaving them in the soil.
Have a look at the discussion, Gerd K. and I had this winter ( January) about autumn
flowering Narcissus after my Topic about Midwinter Flowershow.
It mostly depends on the origin where species come from in nature and I don't know
where this one comes from originally.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on March 24, 2008, 12:54:13 AM
Luit,
thank you - this could be a point. I'll check your hint.
N.x odorus is a natural cross between N.Jonquilla x N.pseudonarcissus.
Origin then likely Spain.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on March 24, 2008, 01:17:23 AM
This is what is known as the 'Campernelle' daffodil isn't it?  if so, it definitely likes it hot and dry, but I find if it gets buried too deeply, or has too much competition it will quit flowering until the situation changes.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 24, 2008, 07:25:19 AM
This is what is known as the 'Campernelle' daffodil isn't it?  if so, it definitely likes it hot and dry, but I find if it gets buried too deeply, or has too much competition it will quit flowering until the situation changes.
Paul when winter is over I hope to make a picture of 'Campernelle', because I saw it last week start flowering.
But at this moment it is snowing!  ::) ::) 8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 24, 2008, 07:46:10 AM
Reading these post I just remember I wanted to show more pictures.
Too much occupied with other things seemingly.
Here some more:

Tulipa fosteriana Group Rondo 1       
Tulipa fosteriana Group Rondo 2
Tulipa fosteriana Group Ballet             
Tulipa Duc van Tol Violet PCN '04   
Narcissus DIV 1 Exotic Beauty N.G. 
Narcissus DIV 2 Finland R.A.Sc. '04       
Narcissus DIV 4 Gribben Head R.A.Sc. '98   
Ornithogalum balansae v.T. '92
Chionoscilla allenii  J.H. '01     
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 24, 2008, 07:49:35 AM
Corydalis solida G.P. Baker CSW. '01
Puschkinia scilloides (libanotica)  vT. '92
Scilla ingridae         
Narcissus DIV 1 Hanley Swan '98
Narcissus Golden Cycle R.A. Sc.   
Narcissus DIV 6 Winter Waltz R.A.Sc. '03   
Narcissus DIV 11a Gunwallde  R.A.Sc.       
Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Salut                           
Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Souvenir   
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on March 24, 2008, 09:44:31 AM
Luit,

Great pics as always.  So many wonderful flowers in there, that is for sure.  Seeing the place in person must be awesome!

So you're saying that 'Campernelle' is not odorus regulosus then?  I note that 'Campernelle' doesn't exist in Daffseek, although the "Double Campernelle" comes up if put in, with an synonomy of x odorus 'Plena'.  I wonder what the single version would come up under, if at all?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 24, 2008, 10:49:35 AM
Sorry Paul, I meant the Double Campernelle.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on March 24, 2008, 01:29:27 PM
This is what is known as the 'Campernelle' daffodil isn't it?  if so, it definitely likes it hot and dry, but I find if it gets buried too deeply, or has too much competition it will quit flowering until the situation changes.

Paul,
it is the "Campernelle" daffodil. Thanks for your advices.
As they produced many offsets I'm going to lift them when dormant.
brgds
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 24, 2008, 05:36:11 PM
Wonderful show Luit !
Doing your name honour again  ;D - What on earth will you do whenever the weather gets better and the sun starts shining ???  ???
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Rob Potterton on March 24, 2008, 05:40:18 PM
Greetings to one and all. Following on from recent comments about Pottertons Nursery may i kindly suggest that if you have a problem regarding naming of bulb, identification, quality of photograph or any such matter involving my nursery you address them to me in the first instance - to get them resolved. This should be your natural first option rather than gossip on this excellent forum. Robert Potterton 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on March 24, 2008, 06:07:16 PM
Hello, Rob, and a warm welcome to you. I would hope that anyone who had a problem with an item purchased from you, or any other outlet, would indeed raise that matter with you but I do not believe that that would, or should, preclude any discussion on such matters here or elsewhere between friends.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 27, 2008, 04:16:21 PM
Some new pictures:

Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Speranza
Tulipa kaufmanniana Magnificent
Tulipa kaufmanniana Goudstuk
Tulipa fosteriana Group Scherzo           
Tulipa fosteriana Group Yellow Empress   
Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Zombie
Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Tartini
Narcissus Wild Carnival v. T. '03
Narcissus DIV 11a Jack Wood  R.A.Sc. '97
Narcissus Big Cycla         
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 27, 2008, 10:27:27 PM
Chionodoxa luciliae CSW. '01     
Tulipa fosteriana Group Lyon         
Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Gaiety   
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Sun Dance
Narcissus DIV 11 Cassata
Narcissus DIV 11 Riesling
Narcissus DIV 7 Orange Queen  K.J. v.d.V. 2000 1
Narcissus DIV 7 Orange Queen  K.J. v.d.V. 2000 2
Chionodoxa sardensis PCN. '05
Scilla melaina Cam. B. '01
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on March 27, 2008, 10:36:28 PM
Hello Luit,
beautiful pictures. A lot for cultivar names I've never heared of.
Scilla melaina is cute. Where is the natural distribution of this species?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 27, 2008, 11:08:39 PM
Hello Luit,
beautiful pictures. A lot for cultivar names I've never heared of.
Scilla melaina is cute. Where is the natural distribution of this species?

The Amanus Mts. ,S.E. Turkey
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on March 28, 2008, 05:58:23 AM
Luit,

Wonderful pictures!!! What a beautiful work you do with sharing these nice pictures with us. Considerable number of these varieties are very rarely avalable in trade (or not available at all) and there is only a little information about them avalaible. Your contributions at least let us to make an impresision about them.

An advice from me relating photographing tulips:
Tulips normally are at their best from the third day of blooming: they get the normal height and flowers get their typical form and sizes. So you can bare it in mind when making pics. Tulips kaufmanniana 'Speranza' and 'Goudstuck' are the tallest kaufmanniana cultiavars in Dutch selection, but in the pics they seem to be just starting to develop.
Fosteriana 'Yellow Empress' is wonderful variety, much admired by me; which is much better that 'Yellow Purisima' (or syn. 'Yellow Emperor') offered in trade.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 28, 2008, 07:12:47 AM
Thank you for your advice, Zhirair.
But when there are so many varieties I just have the feeling of being in the biggest
candyshop and just take what I like most.
When I see a Tulip like Goudstuk, I know it wil get a bit higher but when I would have waited
some days there would not have been anything to photograph (bad weather).
With Speranza I waited some days for more open flowers, but when I came again, they were all damaged.
The most pictured tulips are from the eastside (best light conditions) of the beds
and the beds are almost 150 M. long.
nearest to me to photograph, but they are all planted in rows of 1 M. and it is not possible
to walk around the plant finding the best situation.
I take what I can, but not all because of this reason. (there are appr. 2500 varieties)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on March 28, 2008, 07:44:59 AM
Luit,

I understand you very well. Even me, when making pics of just few varieties, its takes quite a long time.

Luit, 2500 varieties sounds very impressive! Wow! I wish I could be with you enjoying all that beauty.

By the way, Luit, if he has greigii varieties 'Bokhara' and 'Grand Perstige', I would very appriciate if you could take their pics. I obtained 'Grand Prestige' 2 years ago from Latvia, but one of my collegues told me that mine are not true to name. Then when looking attentively and comparing its pics with the photos of some other greigii varieties I grow I found some identity with my variety 'Princesse Charmante'.

Besides, I would be also pleased to see the pics of greigii 'Red Torch' and Red Reflection', and especially 'Holland Herald' (it is stated that it is a tulip of an exceptional beauty!!!) if they are present at the collection.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on March 28, 2008, 08:28:52 AM
Luit,

All these wonderful plants I've never seen before, nor even heard of in many cases.  I too love that Scilla, but also those wonderful Chionodoxa, and the Tulips... and the Narcissus.... and the.....  ;D 8)

Thanks for sharing the pics with us, and the time and effort that goes into taking them.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 28, 2008, 08:53:03 AM
Zhirair, I will do what I can!

Paul, time consuming it is, but fascinating. All these beds...I'm glad I can still find my own at night. 8) :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on March 28, 2008, 09:28:25 PM
Luit,
thank your for the prompt location identification of Scilla melaina :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 28, 2008, 11:13:23 PM
The first picture is an overview of the Narcissus beds.
Where do I start making pictures?    :-\ :-\ 8)
But the good thing is that I am allowed to pick some flowers, but not getting greedy
there is very difficult, so I decided to bring some help.    :D

Narcissus   
Narcissus DIV 4 Van Sion Ringh. '01 1
Narcissus DIV 4 Van Sion Ringh. '01 2
Narcissus cernuus DIV 13         
Narcissus DIV 4 cernuus Plenus Lentefl. '94
Narcissus DIV 4 Irene Copeland
Narcissus DIV. 10 Kenellis Lentefl. 92
Narcissus DIV 5 Ice Chimes  R.A.Sc. '04
Tulipa kaufmanniana Hybr. Heart's Delight
Tulipa greigii Group Engadin     
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Susan Band on March 29, 2008, 08:09:41 AM
What a task!
Getting the right names on the pictures must be some work, do you take a picute of the label or do you write it all by hand. I think it will take quite a few years before you can get everything photographed when it is looking at its best. Filing them into some sort of order when you get home must also take sometime. Great to see them and to know there is a record of all these bulbs for the future.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 29, 2008, 09:22:47 AM
Thank you Susan, yes it is much work.
But making pictures without having the information would not work, seeing
the questions which raise now and then by Forumists.   ::)
I do take pictures of the labels and there is mostly much more information on it
as I put to the pictures. It is almost a sort of Daff Seek.
I probably never will be able to get all varieties pictured, there is so much.
My wife yesterday picked a bunch of flowers almost opening and I saw some this morning,
which I hope to find in the field because of their exceptional beauty.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: David Nicholson on March 29, 2008, 10:19:41 AM
Brilliant Luit, we appreciate your hard work.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 29, 2008, 07:05:27 PM
Some more pictures:

Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Samba           
Tulipa fosteriana Group Ballet
Narcissus DIV 1 Colleen Bawn  Av. Bu.'02  2
Narcissus DIV 1 Colleen Bawn  Av. Bu.'02 3   
Narcissus DIV 12 Bittern  R.A.Sc. '07       
Narcissus DIV 5 Harmony Bells  R.A.Sc. '94
Narcissus DIV 12 Toto  Br. Gard.
Narcissus DIV 6 Cotinga B.S.Dunc. '97
Scilla bifolia Alba 2                         
Scilla siberica Taurica Mon. '98
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 30, 2008, 09:53:21 AM
Narcissus DIV 1 Princeps E.Br. '04   
Narcissus DIV 8 Halvose
Narcissus DIV 6 Greenlet R.A.Sc. '97 res 2
Narcissus DIV 1 Rembrandt
Puschkinia scilloides var. libanotica Alba  PCN '06
Tulipa greigii Group Flaming Torch 
Tulipa kaufmanniana Hybr. Giuseppe Verdi
Tulipa DVT Stockholm
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: mark smyth on March 30, 2008, 01:07:20 PM
Luit you should try and organise a SRGC visit to the fields next year.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on March 30, 2008, 10:34:40 PM
Luit,

Lovely pics as always.  Love the white Scilla, and that delightful white Pushkinia.  Great Stuff!!  8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on March 31, 2008, 06:40:24 AM
'Engadin' is one of the most bright and beautiful bi-coloured greigii tulips. Pity, picture doesn't show the inside of the flower.
Fosteriana 'Samba' is terrific!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 31, 2008, 01:49:47 PM
You've been a very busy boy Luit !
Thanks again for showing us all these DD (Dutch Delights)  ;D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: David Nicholson on March 31, 2008, 08:03:37 PM
Luit, you are filling my notebook with plants to look out for next year. 8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: annew on March 31, 2008, 08:33:04 PM
Mine too - my list is getting very long!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2008, 11:18:06 PM
Luit, you are filling my notebook with plants to look out for next year. 8)


Mine too - my list is getting very long!

I don't think that's a problem.
I learned long ago: Anything may be put on paper.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 01, 2008, 01:25:22 PM
A rainy day again, so here some more pictures.

Tulipa kaufmanniana Hybr. Robert Schumann
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Echo   
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Golden Earrings
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Boutade     
Narcissus DIV 1 Unsurpassable
Narcissus DIV 1 White Ideal Lentefl. '93
Narcissus DIV 2 Euphonic Grace B.S. Dunc. '01
Narcissus DIV 1 Tenterfield  M. Baxt. 2000 
Narcissus DIV 4 Kiwi Sunset R.A. Sc. '02
Narcissus DIV  6 Flirt  R.A.Sc. '96
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on April 01, 2008, 01:43:46 PM
Narcissus 'White Ideal' is splendid. I wish I had more space to grow some narcs as well.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 01, 2008, 01:52:12 PM
Muscari azureum Album CSW '01
Muscari heldreichii J.R. 2000
Narcissus DIV 3  Picoblanco Br. Gard. '96
Narcissus DIV 7 Philomath K.J. v.d.V. 2000
Narcissus DIV 5 Merry Bells R.A. Sc. '96
Tulipa Dvt. Abodement       
Tulipa Dvt. Eskilstuna       
Tulipa Dvt. Monte Beauty                         
Tulipa kaufmanniana Ugam [Icestick] J.R. 2000
Tulipa lanata Arja 0121 J.R. ‘07
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: annew on April 01, 2008, 05:49:05 PM
Luit would it be possible to show us a view of the whole field? It must be stunning.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 01, 2008, 06:52:50 PM
Muscari aucheri Sky Blue PCN '93
Narcissus DIV  11 Carnyorth  R.A.Sc. '99   
Narcissus Ice King DIV 4 
Tulipa fosteriana Group Albas
Tulipa Tr.t Dutch Romantic
Tulipa Evt. Duc van Tol Yellow
Tulipa Evt. Duc van Tol Orange
Tulipa Evt. Duc van Tol Primrose
Tulipa Evt. Duc van Tol Scarlet
Tulipa Evt. Duc van Tol Cochineal P.C.N. ‘04
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 01, 2008, 07:37:35 PM
Luit would it be possible to show us a view of the whole field? It must be stunning.

Anne, your wish is my order.  ;)
I'm afraid I pictured more tulips than Narcissus.
Yesterday in the afternoon the Narcissus looked most to the wrong side,
or there is too much wind. Tulips are easier.

Narcissus beds       
Tulipa praestans van Tubergen's Variety 1
Tulipa praestans Zwanenburg Variety 1
Tulipa greigii Group Flaming Star 1
Tulipa greigii Group Flaming Star 2
Tulipa greigii Group Cherry Orchard
Tulipa greigii Group Sparkling Fire
Tulipa greigii Group Zampa
Narcissus aureus ssp. bertolinii DIV 13 Mon. '95
Narcissus DIV  4  Monza B.S. Dunc. 2000
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: mark smyth on April 01, 2008, 07:43:46 PM
I my garden all Narcissus face south
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: David Nicholson on April 01, 2008, 07:44:11 PM
Luit, does your friend look after his land alone or does he employ staff? If alone he has more energy than I have! ;D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on April 01, 2008, 07:46:16 PM
Quote
In my garden all Narcissus face south
In my garden it depends who they are chatting too at the time!  ::) 8) ;)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 01, 2008, 07:49:40 PM
I my garden all Narcissus face south
You should wake up earlier, Mark.  ;D ;D
In the morning they look S.E., which is ideal for pictures in this place.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 01, 2008, 07:52:07 PM
Quote
In my garden all Narcissus face south
In my garden it depends who they are chatting too at the time!  ::) 8) ;)

That's why I could make such a nice picture of Narcissus Flirt, Maggi.
They couldn't stop.  ;D ;D :D 8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: mark smyth on April 01, 2008, 07:53:59 PM
Actually one group, Trena, that cant see the south-ish because of a fence, look west
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 01, 2008, 07:57:04 PM
Luit, does your friend look after his land alone or does he employ staff? If alone he has more energy than I have! ;D
David it's a lonely job. Strange hands would give more trouble with mixing varieties.
He comes twice a day for controlling for ill or wrong plants, or heading off overripe tulipflowers.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on April 01, 2008, 08:47:53 PM
Luit,
many thanks for the multiple exciting impressions.

T.lanata is a very beautiful species. Equipped with a strong stem with a beautiful red flower.
Certainly ideal to withstand hale and windy storms.
Does anybody have experience growing it?

Btw - Mr. Connoisseur must have "a chronical, very strong bulb fever" infection- is my diagnosis.  ::)
That decease is very common amoung gardeners and botanists, right?  ::) ::)
Any chance to win his expertise more for the forum?  :P
With his experience he could remedy a lot of "bulb killers". ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Gerdk on April 01, 2008, 09:38:29 PM
He comes twice a day for controlling for ill or wrong plants, or heading off overripe tulipflowers.

Luit,
I hope you don't think these are  simple-minded questions:

Means ' heading off ' the take-off of the seed capsules?
Does this help to receive larger and better flowering bulbs?
Only with tulips?

Gerd

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Carlo on April 01, 2008, 09:49:23 PM
Gerd,

I suspect Luit is talking about "dead-heading" when he refers to "heading-off". This is the removal of the spent flower BEFORE seed capsules are formed. It helps because it diverts energy from the production of seed and capsule back into the bulb to strengthen it for the next season.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 01, 2008, 10:05:29 PM
Any chance to win his expertise more for the forum?  :P
With his experience he could remedy a lot of "bulb killers". ;) ;D ;D ;D

He wouldn't have time for it.
He not even has a PC.   8)
But when difficult questions raise, he always is willing to explain to me.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 01, 2008, 10:13:09 PM
Means ' heading off ' the take-off of the seed capsules?
Does this help to receive larger and better flowering bulbs?
Only with tulips?
Gerd

Gerd,

I suspect Luit is talking about "dead-heading" when he refers to "heading-off". This is the removal of the spent flower BEFORE seed capsules are formed. It helps because it diverts energy from the production of seed and capsule back into the bulb to strengthen it for the next season.

Carlo this is partly true, but the first reason is to avoid falling pollen on the leaves.
The leaves will get brown at places where pollen contact (so-called 'Fire'), and die off earlier and
 plants without leaves will not grow very good.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 01, 2008, 10:42:12 PM
Some more pictures:

Narcissus DIV 2 Wahkeena  Oregon Tr. '93

and some old Narcissi:

Narcissus DIV  4 Double Campernelle
Narcissus DIV 3 Sophie's Choice H.Kü. '06

Tulipa fosteriana Group Golden Eagle
Tulipa fosteriana Group Lyon
Tulipa fosteriana Group Spring Pearl
Tulipa fosteriana Group Sylvia van Lennep 1
Tulipa fosteriana Group Sylvia van Lennep 2
Tulipa fosteriana Group Yellow Empress
Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Humoresque
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on April 02, 2008, 05:23:51 AM
Luit,

I would say dead-heading is done to avoid falling rather petals than pollen on the leaves. It's true, on wet days, especially after rain leaves are attacked with grey mould, which seriously effects on the quality of the replacement bulbs.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 02, 2008, 07:40:03 AM
Luit,

I would say dead-heading is done to avoid falling rather petals than pollen on the leaves. It's true, on wet days, especially after rain leaves are attacked with grey mould, which seriously effects on the quality of the replacement bulbs.

That will be o.k.
I was just thinking when I was a young boy and had to do this work all day long and for weeks continuing,
 :( >:( :'( :'( ::)  I was told when cutting you should keep the flowers upright.
I always thought that is because of the pollen falling out.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on April 02, 2008, 08:08:21 AM
Interesting Luit, when cutting I keep the flowers heads down or up depending on my mood. But I have been told that when you hand a flower bouquet to a woman you should keep the flowers up-right.

Additionally about dead-heading - it is very useful for getting bigger replacement bulbs when harvesting (you certainly know). When I keep some samples to set seeds, the bulbs become considerably small comparing with the ones, which were dead-headed.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: annew on April 02, 2008, 09:10:12 AM
Thank you for the view of the field, Luit - as I thought, it looks wonderful.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Gerdk on April 02, 2008, 09:15:04 AM
Thank you alltogether for explanation.
Excuse me for beeing so stubborn, but:

Should I dead-head all bulbous plants in order to receive more and better flowers the next season?
What's about the lesion at the flower stalk - the plant needs energy to close the open sore?

Gerd
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Susan Band on April 02, 2008, 09:58:12 AM
Gerd,
I dead head all the bulbs, you just take off the flower, not the whole stalk, it usually wants to snap off easily at this point.
If the bed is too big I take a mini hedge cutter to do the job. Last year I was neglegent in this duty and as a result the Erythroniums, especially revolutum were not nearly so big, the dry spring last year didn't help either. The Tulip sprengeri bulbs are nealy 3 times as big if you take off the flowers, I don't know if the flowering is better the next year. I know some of the serious show people also do this, meaning you don't get a chance of obtaining the seed from some off the good forms :(
Susan
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 02, 2008, 10:11:40 AM
This time I start with a tulip Zhirair showed today in the topic Tulipa:
Tulipa greigii Group Melodie d' Amour

Tulipa greigii Group Bella Vista
Tulipa greigii Group Mother Theresa 2
Tulipa greigii Group Mother Theresa 1
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Early Star Worldfl. ‘95 1                 
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Early Star Worldfl. ‘95 2
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Towa               


and again some Oldies of Narcissus:

Narcissus DIV  1 Golden Spur  R.A.Sc. '04
Narcissus DIV  4 Argent G.J. v.d.K '04
Narcissus DIV  4 Richard Bennet  Br. Gard. '97
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 02, 2008, 11:40:43 AM
and another few old Narcissi:

Narcissus DIV  4 Orange Phoenix pré 1731 J. Penn. '03 1
Narcissus DIV  4 Orange Phoenix pré 1731 J. Penn. '03
Narcissus DIV  4 Twink

Tulipa Evt. Flair 1
Tulipa Evt. Ruby Red
Tulipa Evt. Mon Tresor
Tulipa Evt. Vermilion Brilliant
Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Pinkeen
Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Pirand
   (which is a mutation of Pinkeen)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on April 02, 2008, 12:25:10 PM
Luit,

Love the leaves on the greigii tulips.  The striping is always so cool.  The flowers aren't bad either  ;D, particularly that first one you posted.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 02, 2008, 07:16:36 PM
Narcissus DIV  4 Blushing Maiden  R.A.Sc. '95
Narcissus DIV  4 Fossie R.A.Sc. '05
Narcissus DIV 2 Leonardo da Vinci  H. Kü. '07

and some more T. greigii hybrids:

Tulipa greigii Hybr. Sylvia Warder   
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Fresco
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Mary Ann
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Early Dream
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Pinocchio
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Lovely Surprise 1
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Lovely Surprise 2
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Susan Band on April 02, 2008, 07:25:59 PM
Luit,
I remember going to see someone in Latvia, Martin I think his name was? He had a collection of 990 Dwarf Tulips mostly greigii hybrids. Unfortunatly we were about 10 days too early and only 1 or 2 were flowering, he had quite a few which amazing leaves. They were spotted more than stripped, are there some like this in the connoisseur Collection?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 02, 2008, 10:00:28 PM
Susan, I'll try to remember next week and have a look, because I'll be away for
several days.

Here are the last ones for this week:

Tulip bed 
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Gala Premiere
Tulipa kaufmanniana Fritz Kreisler
Tulipa kaufmanniana Scarlet Baby
Tulipa kaufmanniana Group Whisper
Tulipa Triumph Group Burning Love
Tulipa vvedenski  x 156  J.R. ‘02
Tulipa fosteriana Group Gold Flash

and a Narcissus of almost 300 years in culture:

Narcissus DIV  4 Orange Phoenix  pré 1731 J. Penn. '03 1 
Narcissus DIV  4 Orange Phoenix  pré 1731 J. Penn. '03 2
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on April 03, 2008, 07:16:23 AM
Gerdk,

an advise for you: when dead-heading, don't forget to sterilize the instrument (if you're going to do it this way) in order not to transfer viruses. To ovoid this problem that's the way I do it:
I make many small peaces of sheets out of a magazine and with each peace I dead-head only one flower-head, so that my hands doesn't touch the stem.

Susan, pleased to hear that you visited Martins. He is very famous tulip grower in Latvia, having the largest collection of these flowers in his country. Among them are many Larvian-bred tulips, not familliar in Holland.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on April 03, 2008, 07:21:51 AM
Luit,

again thanks a lot for these wonderful photos. I especially appriciate pics of 'Melodie d' Amour', 'Lovely Surprise' and 'Gala Premierre'. 'Gala Premierre' is now very rare, but is is famous by its exceptional beauty. So I hope you'll show more of it when it matures and gets its whole typical features.

The yellow edge in your pics of 'Melodie d amour' is more prominant, than in mines. Maybe it widens as the flowers mature. I'll see.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on April 05, 2008, 10:43:14 PM
Is T. greigii Mother Theresa as selection of the wild form or a hybrid?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Gerard Oud on April 07, 2008, 06:14:24 PM
Very nice tulips Luit, and for Susan, here in holland we growers have a saying, that if i translate it well it says, flow costs grow.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Susan Band on April 07, 2008, 08:01:13 PM
Gerard,
I don't think I know what you mean by that saying.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Gerard Oud on April 07, 2008, 09:33:55 PM
Maybe flow takes grow is a better translation. Letting the flower in full flow and set seed it reduces the growth of the bulb.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Susan Band on April 08, 2008, 07:03:42 AM
Thanks Gerard,
I was following the example of the Dutch by removing the flowers, after all your country has been growing bulbs for a little while ;)
Susan
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Gerard Oud on April 09, 2008, 05:41:58 AM
Don't underestimate your country Susan, some bulbs are grown for a longer time in Brittain!
We only did tulips in the early 1600's.
The first tulipflowers have been cut last week, but those plants have been forced under a plastic cover.
But cutting the flower is for tulips a good remedie to get bigger bulbs, some even do the same with snowdrops but that does not work.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: mark smyth on April 09, 2008, 08:25:31 AM
Are all those kaufmanniana and greigii Tulips freely available? There are many I would like to own
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on April 09, 2008, 10:08:55 AM
Mark,
I would say not all. There are around 10-15 varieties from each group circling in trade, the others are relatively harder to get. The thing is that they are not very suitable for commmercial mechanical growing (planting and harvesting), take a special care comparing to others and some have lower rate of propagation.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: annew on April 09, 2008, 06:06:50 PM
How ARE the tulips propagated?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on April 10, 2008, 06:44:30 AM
Tulips are propagated by daughter bulbs formed around the big replacement bulb (each planted bulb after vegetation forms a replacement bulb and several smaller bulbs). The varieties with high rate of propagation usually form around 4 to 5 daughter bulbs of different sizes. The biggest ones could flower right the next year or the following year. The smaller ones should be additionally grown for 1 to 3 years to get matured.

Some speies doesn't increase vegetatively and should be multiplied from seeds.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 13, 2008, 11:11:35 PM
Before I left for a short break I was able to make some pics of Narcissus.
When I came back this week many Narcissi had suffered from low temps, of at least minus 8 C. near the ground.
Many cups are grey now and no longer looking good for picturing.
Here are the ones from last week:

Narcissus DIV 1 Arrival  Oregon Tr. '04
Narcissus DIV 1 Little Beauty
Narcissus DIV 1 Little Spell  Lentefl. '92
Narcissus DIV 1 W.P. Milner
Narcissus DIV 13 obvallaris
Narcissus DIV 2 Nor Nor K.J. v.d. V. 2000 
Narcissus DIV 5 Queen of Spain  Avon B. '05
Narcissus DIV 6  Wheatear  Lentefl. '94
Narcissus DIV 6 Tracey  Lentefl. '92
Narcissus eystettensis Cam. B. '97
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on April 14, 2008, 01:23:59 PM
Luit,

Beautiful pics as always!!  8)  I particularly like Eyestettensis and W. P. Milner.  :D  The rest are pretty nice too though.  ;)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 15, 2008, 09:27:55 PM
From now on I will show more tulips than other bulbs.
First some Tulipa from the greigii Group;

Tulipa greigii Group Calypso v. T.
Tulipa greigii Group Cape Horn   
Tulipa greigii Group Charmeuse 1
Tulipa greigii Group Charmeuse 2
Tulipa greigii Group Robert Schuler J. Uitt. '99 
Tulipa greigii Group Golden Day 1
Tulipa greigii Group Golden Day 2   
Tulipa greigii Group Haute Couture   
Tulipa greigii Group Royal Seat 2
Tulipa greigii Group Royal Seat 3
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 15, 2008, 09:48:05 PM
Tulipa greigii Group Addis                     
Tulipa greigii Group Bella Vista         
Tulipa greigii Group Cinderella             
Tulipa greigii Group Flowerdale Av. B. '99   
Tulipa greigii Group Comedian                   
Tulipa greigii Group Für Elise v.T. '02             
Tulipa greigii Group Annie Salomons   
Tulipa greigii Group Karimata H.v.Dr. '06             
Tulipa greigii Group Majorette             
Tulipa greigii Group Longfellow 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 15, 2008, 10:07:26 PM
Tulipa greigii Group Petronella                   
Tulipa greigii Group Rockery Master   
Tulipa greigii Group Quebec v.T. '02     
Tulipa greigii Group Quicksilver           
Tulipa greigii Group Red Surprise               
Tulipa greigii Group Segwun                   
Tulipa greigii Group Teeuwen's Memory                   
Tulipa greigii Group Tschaikowsky           
Tulipa greigii Group Turkish Delight
Tulipa greigii Group Protuberance P+M v.d. P.               
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 15, 2008, 10:47:16 PM
Here  the last from the greigii Group:

Tulipa greigii Group Upward         
Tulipa greigii Group Wrestler   

and some Oldies:

Tulipa Duc van Tol Double 
Tulipa Duc van Tol Rose PCN '05       
Tulipa Duc van Tol Oranje H.Kühn '06
Tulipa Duc van Tol Red and Yellow  Hort. Bu. 2000

and a few others:

Tulipa E.V.T. Christmas Marvel   
Tulipa heweri T.C. '98                 
Tulipa eichleri res.               
Tulipa eichleri Clare Benedict                 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 16, 2008, 10:36:55 AM
Wow Luit - I think you must live in bulb country ....   ???;D

Is this the song you're humming taking these shots ???
"Als de lente komt dan stuur ik jou ... Tulpen uit Amsterdam..."
 ;D ;D

Great stuff Luit - what a diversity   :o
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 16, 2008, 11:20:28 AM
Is this the song you're humming taking these shots ???
"Als de lente komt dan stuur ik jou ... Tulpen uit Amsterdam..."
 ;D ;D

Luc, it seems you have the talent I don't have.   8)  hummmm........., forget about it   ??? ::) :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 16, 2008, 01:08:59 PM
Here some of the T. fosteriana Group:

Tulipa fosteriana Group Summit       
Tulipa fosteriana  Riga's Barikades J.R. '05   
Tulipa fosteriana Group Candela         
Tulipa fosteriana Group Albert Heijn v.T. 07   
Tulipa fosteriana Group Czardas
Tulipa fosteriana Group Golden Galata   
Tulipa fosteriana Group Purissima   
Tulipa fosteriana Group Flaming Purissima Av. B.
Tulipa fosteriana Group Yellow Purissima   
Tulipa fosteriana Group Juan     
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 16, 2008, 01:12:30 PM
and some of the Single Early Group with some very old varieties:

Tulipa S.E.G. Brilliant Star [stam A]               
Tulipa S.E.G. Chrysolora  PCN '07
Tulipa S.E.G. Christmas Carol  H.v.Dr.                 
Tulipa S.E.G. Cupido   
Tulipa S.E.G. Diana  [stam A.]         
Tulipa S.E.G. Duc de Berlin  H.v.Dr.       
Tulipa S.E.G. Rose Gris de Lin  PCN '05         
Tulipa S.E.G. Sint Maarten       
Tulipa S.E.G. van der Neer               
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on April 16, 2008, 02:31:17 PM
It is a great advantage with Luit's very clear photos that, even when the Forum is loading very slowly, we can still enjoy his posts because we can see lots of the charm of the flowers without needing to enlarge them at first viewing!  8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 16, 2008, 05:10:34 PM
Yes Maggi,  at times of necessity  it's ok, but some Tulipa's deserve better,
i.e. pictures opened. For instance such old hybrids like 'van der Neer' from
1860, or Diana which exist 99 years already and Rose Gris de Lin from 1860.
The thumbnails are to small for showing the good colours.

Having said this back to work.
Here some T. greigii hybrids.:

Tulipa greigii Hybr. Ali Baba           
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Astrakhan           
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Authority res.     
Tulipa greigii Hybr. El Graciosa   
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Czaar Peter       
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Indian Sweet 
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Graceful         
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Tarafa               
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Perlina 1
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Perlina 2         

Before someone asks what the difference is between a Group and Hybrids.
I was told that T. greigii hybr. are results of crossing two T. greigii and in the T. greigii Group there is only one T. greigii parent involved.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on April 16, 2008, 07:05:17 PM
Quote
at times of necessity  it's ok,
Yes, Luit, you are quite correct, it is better to be able to enlarge the photos to really appreciate the beauy of the flowers. At this moment the Forum seems to be operating more properly, I hope this continues.... Fred is working on our behalf, of course and I hope this improvemnet is his work and lasts well!!
Poor Fred, he has a very bad arm, :'( he cannot use it, and to make matters worse, he has had a terrible toothache  :-X... his dentist has helped him, in part with the use of a cuddly gorilla and contortions  :-\.....the mind boggles, but at least Fred is feeling a little less "down in the mouth" now!! :o
Now we only need to make his arm better.... :-\ :-*
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: David Nicholson on April 16, 2008, 07:41:05 PM
Great shots Luit, your time is much appreciated.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 16, 2008, 08:53:08 PM
Quote
his dentist has helped him, in part with the use of a cuddly gorilla and contortions 

Poor Fred! Sounds like a new version of your famous Highland Games.   ;D ;D..... 8)

I'm glad he feeling a bit better now.
My last posting started quick, but took so long that I thought: no pictures from me anymore.   ??? ::) :'(

Here some tulips of the Triumph Group:

Tulipa Tr. Festival               
Tulipa Tr. Gr. Early Glory               
Tulipa Tr. Gr. Vermillion Brilliant  H.v.Dr. '06                 
Tulipa Triumph Group Commodore                 
Tulipa Triumph Group Coquette
Tulipa Triumph Group Lunik                         
Tulipa Triumph Group Denmark H.v.Dr. '06   
Tulipa Triumph Group Carreria H.v.Dr. 02 
Tulipa Tr. Gr. Menuet  H.v.Dr. '02
Tulipa Triumph Group Madame Curie
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Susan Band on April 16, 2008, 08:59:47 PM
I can not imagine how the connoisseur manages to lift the bulbs and keep them all sorted until they are ready to plant again. It must be some work. I hope a mouse never gets amongst them and redistributes them amongst the containers or worst of all eats them. Great selection of pictures as usual
Susan
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: annew on April 16, 2008, 09:08:53 PM
Yes, the photos do repay enlargement - you can see all the detail and subtle colour combinations.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 16, 2008, 09:26:28 PM
And:
Tulipa Triumph Group Purple Prince                           
Tulipa Triumph Group Zarewitch     
Tulipa Triumph Group Rambo H.v.Dr. '02     
Tulipa kaufmanniana Hybr. Daylight     
Tulipa kaufmanniana Hybr. Golden Daylight Lentefl. '93   
Tulipa kaufmanniana Hybr. Heemstede G.Mantel '94
Tulipa DLT Gold Medal                 
Tulipa DL Group Red Leader H.v.Dr. '02     
Tulipa DLT Hoangho         
Tulipa fosteriana Hit Parade
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 16, 2008, 09:44:18 PM
I can not imagine how the connoisseur manages to lift the bulbs and keep them all sorted until they are ready to plant again. It must be some work. I hope a mouse never gets amongst them and redistributes them amongst the containers or worst of all eats them. Great selection of pictures as usual
Susan
Susan, I hope to show some pictures in summer when the bulbs are lifted etc.
It is really hard work, yes.
Last week mice were noticed near the tulipbeds, which normally never happens.
Some poisoned wheat is the only remedy.

And some more pics
I found the T. vvedenskyi types suffered more from hard frosts than many others.

Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Charlie Kunz  
Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Orange Brilliant    
Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Gold Beater    
Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Feu Superbe                    
Tulipa vvedenskyi  x13..2  J.R. '02              
Tulipa vvedenskyi  x7..4  J.R. '02    
Tulipa vvedenskyi  x Latvian Gold  J.R. '02  
Tulipa ingens  
Tulipa vvedenskyi  x Girlfriend  J.R. '99
Tulipa vvedenskyi  x Lady Guna  J.R. 2000  
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Jim McKenney on April 16, 2008, 11:23:12 PM
Great pictures, Luit.

I've been growing tulips all my life, and I'm seeing names here I don't recognize. That means there is a lot more to look forward to.  ;D

Tulipa ingens is blooming today in my garden.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on April 17, 2008, 06:05:13 AM
Luit,

A special and great thanks to you for your wonderful and very very useful work!!! I always unpaciently wait for your new tulip photos and get a great pleasure out of watching them. Though most of the cultivars are familliar to me, but I haven't seen the photos of many nice varieties; and with your help I make an idea about them.
And thanks for mentioning about the differences of hybrids and groups. I haven't thought about that nuance before when looking at the names.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on April 17, 2008, 12:19:41 PM
Luit,

Stunning pictures, as you always have.  So very many different Tulips there, and I think I recognise about one name amongst the lot of them.  ::)  Beautiful!!!

Thanks so much for taking the time to process all these pics for posting here.  8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on April 18, 2008, 04:35:22 PM
Hello Luit,

never seen such a lot of fine tulipa-pics. Now I know, that there are some other good bulbs, not only galanthus ;)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 18, 2008, 09:08:36 PM
Hello Luit,

never seen such a lot of fine tulipa-pics. Now I know, that there are some other good bulbs, not only galanthus ;)

Hagen, that's a sort of a confession, isn't it? But I am glad you like them!
There are coming more soon.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on April 18, 2008, 09:42:18 PM
Hello Luit,

never seen such a lot of fine tulipa-pics. Now I know, that there are some other good bulbs, not only galanthus ;)
Luit, this is wonderful, you are helping Hagen with his white fever treatment  ;)
Hagen, my congratulations on this breakthrough for you!  8)
It has been a sunny day here in Aberdeen and I have seen quite a lot of bright bulb flowers in the nearby gardens though they would not add up to a thousandth of the connoiseur collection even if they were all together! ::)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 18, 2008, 10:46:38 PM
When I came yesterday to the field I would take some Narcissus pictures,but I didn’t know where to start.
So here only two pics of the flowering beds from both sides.
Today was a strong N.E. wind and about 7 C. so no chancre to make pics of Narcissus.

Narcissus beds 1   
Narcissus beds 2   

With tulips it was more overseeable, so first some Triumph Tulipa

Tulipa Tr.T. Anneke   
Tulipa Tr.T. Apollo   
Tulipa Tr.T. Flyer           
Tulipa Tr.T. Invasion     
Tulipa Tr.T. Furand H.v.Dr. '94         
Tulipa Tr.T. Inzell                 
Tulipa Tr.T. Karlskrona 
Tulipa Tr.T. Lustella 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 19, 2008, 06:25:13 AM
Tulipa Tr.T. Lydia                 
Tulipa Tr.T. Red Lion   
Tulipa Tr.T. Levant   
Tulipa Tr.T. Orange Monarch   
Tulipa Tr.T. Passionale K+M. '94
Tulipa Tr.T. Paul Richter 
Tulipa Tr.T. Ruby Laser 1               
Tulipa Tr.T. Telemark     
Tulipa Tr.T. Tosca H.v.Dr. '94   
Tulipa Tr.T. Negrita   
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 19, 2008, 06:55:01 AM
Tulipa Tr.T. Red Lips 
Tulipa Tr.T. Stargazer  '92
Tulipa Tr.T. White Ideal     
Tulipa Tr.T. Yellow Wonder     
Tulipa Tr.T. Red Pepper                 

and the first of Lily flowered Group

Tulipa Lily Flow. Group Pieter de Leur H.v.Dr. '02                                         

and a few early Parrot Tulips:

Tulipa Parr. Group Parrot Inzell H.v.Dr. '06
Tulipa Parr. Group Top Parrot H.v.Dr. '02 

Tulipa German Flag 

Tulipa praestans x batalinii Fireball H.v.Dr. ‘04                                                                                                 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on April 19, 2008, 07:03:36 AM
Luit,

Very nice!! 'Red Lips' is unusual.... not seen anything like that before. :)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 19, 2008, 07:22:18 AM
Luit,

Very nice!! 'Red Lips' is unusual.... not seen anything like that before. :)

So did I, Paul.

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 19, 2008, 07:25:03 AM
A few of the so called Fringed Group

Tulipa Fringed Group Laverock Jans. Overs. '93 
Tulipa Gefr. Fancy Frills                     

And some T. fosteriana

Tulipa fosteriana Group Easter Glory 
Tulipa fosteriana Group Princeps   
Tulipa fosteriana Group Golden Emperor 
Tulipa fosteriana Group Orange Emperor 
Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Holland National     
Tulipa fosteriana Hybr. Mieke Telkamp  jpeg   
Tulipa fosteriana Group Red Bowl                                                                 
             
Tulipa beds
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on April 19, 2008, 07:28:03 AM
Luit,

His place (and your pictures) are absolutely amazing!!  It must be awesome to stand and look around in a collection like that!!  And I thought I was bad in the collecting stakes....  ;D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 19, 2008, 05:25:49 PM
Verrrrrrrry impressive Luit !
Thanks for getting up early to post before you were off to Utrecht !  ;D
I hope you had lots of fun - too bad I couldn't make it this time... :(
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 19, 2008, 09:18:18 PM
Verrrrrrrry impressive Luit !
Thanks for getting up early to post before you were off to Utrecht !  ;D
I hope you had lots of fun - too bad I couldn't make it this time... :(

Was a good day Luc. Saw many people to talk with and some nice plants in the Bot. Garden too.
Met several people who are regular visitors to the Forum but could ot persuade them to take part in the discussions.
Maybe you are going to Kalmthout tomorrow? Is a lot nearer to your home too.

Here some tulips of the Triumph Group:

Tulipa Triumph  Group Abra   
Tulipa Triumph  Group Alfi   
Tulipa Triumph  Group Anna Karenina  H.v.Dr. '04   
Tulipa Triumph  Group Antarctica H.v.Dr. '07
Tulipa Triumph  Group Bastogne   
Tulipa Triumph  Group Beauty of Volendam
Tulipa Triumph  Group Blenda 2 
Tulipa Triumph  Group Blue Beauty  H.v.Dr. '02   
Tulipa Triumph  Group Bright Irene H.v.Dr. '02  This should be T. D.E.G.  Orange Princess  (L.)  
Tulipa Triumph  Group Cessna H.v.Dr. '99

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 20, 2008, 08:45:03 AM
and

Tulipa Triumph  Group Dolly Dots 
Tulipa Triumph  Group Matterhorn
Tulipa Triumph  Group Dorothy Hamill       
Tulipa Triumph  Group Pax   
Tulipa Triumph  Group Hadley
Tulipa Triumph  Group Dow Jones H.v.Dr. '02
Tulipa Triumph  Group Easter Time H.v.Dr. '02     
Tulipa Triumph  Group Flaming Coquette H.v.Dr. '02 
Tulipa Triumph  Group Black Jack  H.v.Dr. '06   
Tulipa Triumph  Group Black Jack  H.v.Dr. '06  2 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 20, 2008, 09:22:30 AM
Now here some of the single early tulips
And one botanical Tulipa:

Tulipa EVT Bestseller   
Tulipa EVT Christmas Gold   
Tulipa EVT Flair                   
Tulipa EVT Keizerskroon         
Tulipa EVT La Reine '92
Tulipa SEG La Remarquable PCN '07
Tulipa EVT Pink Trophy   
Tulipa EVT Prins Carnaval                   
Tulipa EVT Provence

Tulipa eichleri Excelsa         
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 20, 2008, 08:27:52 PM
Some more single early tulips starting with

Tulipa SEG Apricot Beauty   

and on the left side of a neighbours field, part  of production of the same
cultivar, where the bigger bulbs are beginning to flower.

Tulipa field with Apricot Beauty

Tulipa SEG Duchesse de Parma H.v.Dr. '94
Tulipa SEG Artus PCN '05   
Tulipa SEG Beauty Queen         
Tulipa SEG Cardinal's Hat  PCN '06   
Tulipa SEG Desert Song       
Tulipa SEG Duc d'Orange  PCN '07 
Tulipa SEG Ibis
Tulipa SEG Gele Prins PCN '05 
                   
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Gerard Oud on April 21, 2008, 05:42:33 AM
Luit, does Cees have the whole classified list complete?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 21, 2008, 12:09:48 PM
Luit,
I think the Dutch bulb industry should  give you a medal (Zilvervloot medal ??) for the way you're advertising all these wonderful species !  ;D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 21, 2008, 12:26:19 PM
Luit, does Cees have the whole classified list complete?

I am confused now.
Does this mean no more pictures?   ???
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 21, 2008, 12:28:42 PM
Luit,
I think the Dutch bulb industry should  give you a medal (Zilvervloot medal ??) for the way you're advertising all these wonderful species !  ;D

Luc, I'm afraid they have no idea of this Super Forum.
Thank you for the flowers anyway.  :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Gerard Oud on April 21, 2008, 06:00:35 PM
No i mean if he has the list complete, there should be still a lot to come Luit.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 21, 2008, 09:21:57 PM
No i mean if he has the list complete, there should be still a lot to come Luit.
He does not have the Classified List complete, but it looks like he is trying to do so. ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: afw on April 24, 2008, 01:14:29 PM
Luit
  We, the forum members, have discussed deadheading bulbs once they have flowered, does Mr X do the same as the various sectors cease to flower?

 I'm not sure what your rainfall is like compared to UK but one would think that the sand would drain very quickly so what happens in a very dry spell -  many watering cans!

 Are the bulbs all planted at the same depth or according to the accepted wisdom of two or three times the height of the bulb.

Regards
Alan
 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 24, 2008, 04:59:15 PM
Luit
  We, the forum members, have discussed deadheading bulbs once they have flowered, does Mr X do the same as the various sectors cease to flower?

Yes, he takes every day when overripe and being sure of right variety flowers of.


I'm not sure what your rainfall is like compared to UK but one would think that the sand would drain very quickly so what happens in a very dry spell -  many watering cans!
 

The soil below the bulbs is always wet enough, so no watering.
The groundwater is always at appr. 40-50 cm deep.
I put hereby an already showed picture of the bulbfields elsewhere, which illustrates what I mean.


Are the bulbs all planted at the same depth or according to the accepted wisdom of two or three times the height of the bulb.


Only Narcissus are planted maybe slightly deeper and Crocus and several other little bulbs maybe a little higher.
But there is not much difference in depth.

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on April 24, 2008, 07:08:14 PM
Luit,
impressive - the high water level and the bulb fields nearby.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: annew on April 25, 2008, 09:14:58 AM
Stunning! You both deserve our praise - the grower for growing, and you for showing - thank you. :D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 26, 2008, 06:54:37 PM
Thank you for your nice words Anne.
But it's really a pleasure for me to go to the field and make pictures there.
In this way I do learn a lot about bulbs too.

Now that for most gardeners Narcissus-time is almost over, it is interesting
maybe to show some, which are late flowering.

Narcissus DIV 5 Honey Guide R.A. Scamp '98         
Narcissus DIV 5 Petrel
Narcissus DIV 13 jonquilla R.A. Scamp '95   
Narcissus DIV 3 Segovia Lentefl. '93           
Narcissus DIV 3 Xit Av. B. '98           
Narcissus DIV 3Yellow Xit R.A. Sc. 2000
Narcissus DIV 3 Paula Cottel Br. Gard. 2     
Narcissus DIV 13 x intermedius             
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on April 26, 2008, 07:03:37 PM
Narcissus DIV 7 Flycatcher Br. Dunc. 2000         
Narcissus poeticus Raddiiflorus var poetarum r. Gard.       
Narcissus DIV 7 Piper's Barn R.A.Scamp '96   
Narcissus DIV 9 praecox R.A. Scamp '98         
Narcissus obesus Diamond Ring PCN '06             
Narcissus DIV 9 Omega Oregn Trail '04   
Narcissus DIV 7 Chit Chat Br. Gard. '01   
 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paul T on April 26, 2008, 11:31:02 PM
All great, Luit!!  Thanks for taking the time to photograph, prepare and post them for us to enjoy. 8)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on April 27, 2008, 10:08:29 PM
Luit, very beautiful  8) 8) 8)
I like the N. Poeticus raddiiflorus... :o
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Joakim B on May 02, 2008, 02:34:52 PM
WOOOOOOW his is so goood
I have wanted to see this for soooo looong. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Great work Luit
It is really appreciated. If more people looked at what there is maybe there would be more varieties for sale even at supermakets.


Maybe  bit off topic and if so I am sorry for it but I just wondered about the cheap 5-10 packs that are sold in supermarkets and hardware stores etc.
It is a bit sad to sell "red" Tulips flowering mars to june with a hight of 20-70 cm as is too often the case. When it most often is only one type that I presume is named, or are there a lot of seed grown tulips grown for "cheap bags"? I would pay more for the bulb if it was written "appeldoorn" even if it would have the rest of the characteristics of the "red".

I mean combine quality with quantity or give quality to quantity without much extra effort I would assume and there might be more money in it.!! That would make everyone happier I would guess.


Kind regards for a lovely thread great work that is very appreciated.

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 04, 2008, 06:36:43 PM
WOOOOOOW his is so goood
I have wanted to see this for soooo looong. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Great work Luit
It is really appreciated. If more people looked at what there is maybe there would be more varieties for sale even at supermakets.


Maybe  bit off topic and if so I am sorry for it but I just wondered about the cheap 5-10 packs that are sold in supermarkets and hardware stores etc.
It is a bit sad to sell "red" Tulips flowering mars to june with a hight of 20-70 cm as is too often the case. When it most often is only one type that I presume is named, or are there a lot of seed grown tulips grown for "cheap bags"? I would pay more for the bulb if it was written "appeldoorn" even if it would have the rest of the characteristics of the "red".
I mean combine quality with quantity or give quality to quantity without much extra effort I would assume and there might be more money in it.!! That would make everyone happier I would guess.
Kind regards for a lovely thread great work that is very appreciated.
Kind regards
Joakim

Joakim, I totally understand what you mean, but I think there are two types of customers.
One type want only to buy bulbs they have seen on pictures or at Garden shows or read about in some journal. They order them at specialist traders or good Garden centers and expect to get the bulbs labelled right to name and pay a “normal” price.
Then there are many people who just buy bulbs impulsive in supermarkets or hardware stores, why they see the nice pictures and the cheap prices.
For this special market, supermarkets are looking for catchliners which are easy to sell.
These might be bulbs, but can be almost everything else.
The only thing counting is profit.

These bulbs are mostly small, hopefully just flowering size, and you’ll never be sure of what is coming out.
Some years ago I saw myself such packets with narcissus (yellow trumpets on the picture)
I bought one packet because I wanted to know how it is possible to deliver bulbs at these prices. Well there came in the first year some flowers of the double tazetta types.
Now in the third year they are much better flowering.
But most people don’t complain because it was such a bargain.

I’ll be the last who says that I like this way of selling bulbs.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 04, 2008, 10:47:42 PM
Before you think in the collection are only tulips grown, here some other bulbs.           

Bellevalia pycnantha v.T. '02 1     
Bellevalia pycnantha 2                 
Anemone Blanda White Splendour         
Allium triquetrum   
Camassia leichtlinii 1                 
Camassia leichtlinii 2               
Camassia leichtlinii Blauwe Donau PCN '96 
Ipheion uniflorum Jessie W. de G. '06     
Ipheion uniflorum Rolf Fiedler C.S.W. '99
Ipheion uniflorum Charlotte Bishop Av. Bulbs '01 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 04, 2008, 10:50:52 PM
and there is a good selection of Hyacinthoides hispanica.
Maybe if Forumists are specially interested to compare these
varieties, I should put them in a special Topic in Bulbs General???

Hyacinthoides hispanica Blue Queen PCN '98             
Hyacinthoides hispanica Dainty Maid CSW 2000     
Hyacinthoides hispanica La Grandesse Br. Gard. '02
Hyacinthoides hispanica Rosabella Br. Gard. '02
Hyacinthoides hispanica Rose Queen PCN '04                                           
Hyacinthoides hispanica Danube PCN '04 
Because I put a wrong pict. of H. Excelsior I changed this an put H. non-scripta in as well. Ed. L.
Hyacinthoides non-scripta
Hyacinthoides hispanica Excelsior sel. '05 
  
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 04, 2008, 10:54:36 PM
Here first a picture of the beds with mostly Triumph and Single Late tulips.
and on the right hand a field with Allium Mars for cutting the flowers for trade.
Some Frit's and Ornithogalum:

Tulipa beds   
Allium Mars field   
Fritillaria acmopetala ssp. wendelboi PCN '97     
Fritillaria imperialis Ruduke J.R. '07   
Fritillaria michailovskyi v.T. '97   
Ornithogalum umbellatum v.T. '02 
Ornithogalum montanum J. Zweeris '98         
Ornithogalum oreoides J.R. '02  2     
Ornithogalum ortophyllum J.R. '02     
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Joakim B on May 05, 2008, 11:43:48 AM
 8) 8) 8) 8)
Great pictures very nice.
Luit I must confess nice pictures can make me buy bulbs as well.  :-[ :-[ 8) . My comment was more when there is the right stuff in the bag but still silly named.  >:( Most people can see a picture and see "red tulips" so there is not much "extra attraction" in it. It might be Appeldorn or some other named variant and hence a miss not to use it.
What I am saying is that I think many would pay 1.1€ for Appeldorn rather than paying 1€ for "red tulips" even with the same picture. ??? ;D. Not 100% sure but I am sure most people would be happier to pay 1€ for the "Appeldorn" than 1€ for "red tulips" so I do not understand the gain in not having the names there. ??? Maybe next year it will be different but they can use the same packages with the same picture and thus save money. I understand and agree that in mixes the bulbs are often barley flowering sized and that makes it cheaper to produce but that is an other question.
Most often I get the right stuff but in mixes You are always up for surprises. Often we remember when we get the wrong stuff but not when we get the wright stuff so I think we all tend to believe it is worse than what it is.

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on May 08, 2008, 05:43:29 PM
Luit,
exciting pictures again and again... 8)

Thank you for showing the difference of Hyacinthoides non-scripta and H. hispanica.
I'm sure now having receipt H. hispanica instead of non-scripta  >:(
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 09, 2008, 10:51:07 PM
Here is one tulip, Zhirair asked for to show when available, which I forgot to post
until now.
Here it is:

Tulipa Greigii Group Bokhara           
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on May 11, 2008, 09:47:08 AM
Luit,

thanks a lot for "Bokhara" picture.
Why I wanted to see it - because it is one of the tallest and largest-flowered in the goup. During the 80s (when the company D.W. Lebeber & Co was active) it was popular and wild-spread, but now it is very rare and non-commercial variety, as it has low propagation rate. Anyway, I managed to find a supplier of it in Czech republic and going to order it for my collection.

And I hope that you didn't forget about the breeder tulips: "Lous XIV", "Tantalus", "Panorama" and some other of this group to show
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Jim McKenney on May 12, 2008, 11:35:37 PM

And I hope that you didn't forget about the breeder tulips: "Lous XIV", "Tantalus", "Panorama" and some other of this group to show

Boyed, you have just given me a real thrill: are you saying that you know that Tulipa 'Louis XIV' still exists? It is mentioned in all of the early twentieth century books and lists. I grew it thirty-five or forty years ago, and have an old slide image of it. I have not seen it mentioned in the Hortus Bulborum collections, and an inquiry to their sales agent here in the US came up blank.
That is wonderful news to me if it's true. 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 13, 2008, 06:51:48 PM
Last Saturday I made some more pictures in the Collection.
After 5 sunny days and temps above 20 C most flowers were over
and now when posting this, I think that there wil be no more tulips in flower.
We had 3 days with at least 25 C now so Tulip time is over.
Here a last picture from Saturday.
But it's Allium time now so here I show some of them:

Tulipa beds 10.05.08     
Allium aflatunense Purple Sensation (prob. the same as A. holl. Purple Sensation)
Allium Beau Regard       
Allium falcifolium                   
Allium Globemaster                 
Allium hollandicum Purple Sensation           
Allium jesdianum Shing               
Allium rosenbachianum Early Emperor           
Allium tschimganicum             
Allium Mars   
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 13, 2008, 06:54:09 PM
Here are the tulip beds, somehow not in the first batch (my fault)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 13, 2008, 06:57:28 PM
Last week I showed a field with Allium for cutflowers'here a picture after
cutting a big part of the field.
And some other bulbous plants flowering now:

Allium Mars field [ Harvesting flowers]
Camassia Electra                     
Camassia leichtlinii Magdalen         
Camassia quamash Orion
Hyacinthoides hispanica White City               
Iris stolonifera George Barr                 
Ixiolirion tataricum               
Scilla vincentina                   
Gladiolus spec. nova Beyes Dag Cam. B.
Iris x Vera     
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: David Nicholson on May 13, 2008, 07:31:34 PM
as usual Luit, beautiful!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Jim McKenney on May 13, 2008, 07:55:33 PM
Luit, I’ve been growing bulbs all my adult life and you are showing us things of which I’ve never heard ,  much less seen. What a pity that the tulip season is so fleeting.

It might come as a surprise to you , but here in Maryland, USA, about a thousand miles south of you, the season is at an approximately similar phase: the last tulips are dropping their petals as the big alliums come into bloom. In fact, my plants of Allium ‘Beau Regard’ are at about the same state of development as those shown in your picture.

Thank you so much for doing this!

What might be next? Eremurus? Lilies? Calochortus?

I’ll be waiting with keen anticipation – as I’m sure many others will be. 

I've attached an image of one of my Iris stolonifera which bloomed on April 26, 2008.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 13, 2008, 08:40:01 PM
Luit, would it be possible for you to get a couple of pictures of Iris 'Vera' from the side, showing the outside of the standards and the falls. I'm having a (light-hearted) argument or discussion about the identity of 'Vera' as we know it in NZ and it would be good to see someone else's plant. Thank you.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 13, 2008, 10:16:53 PM
Luit, would it be possible for you to get a couple of pictures of Iris 'Vera' from the side, showing the outside of the standards and the falls. I'm having a (light-hearted) argument or discussion about the identity of 'Vera' as we know it in NZ and it would be good to see someone else's plant. Thank you.
Lesley it took me at least 10 mins. to take a picture, where the falls were not blown
up by the strong wind.
There were only a few flowers and due to the hot weather the last days I'm afraid
there's nothing left. But I'll have a look.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 13, 2008, 10:45:28 PM
Here are some Breeder tulips from the Collection

Tulipa SLG Cardinal Manning
Tulipa SLG Columbine            pre 1929
Tulipa SLG General Ney               1837                           
Tulipa SLG Music                  pre 1939
Tulipa SLG Panorama                             
Tulipa SLG Papago                     1940 Rijnveld                 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 13, 2008, 10:55:19 PM
and some more. But looking at Roses des Dames I am not sure it is a Breeder tulip.

Tulipa SLG Rose des Dames    pre 1863
Tulipa SLG Peer Gynt                  1973 K+M             
Tulipa SLG Professor Schotel  pre 1870   
Tulipa SLG Southern Cross          1934 Krelage
Tulipa SLG Tantalus     
Tulipa SLG Samuel Barlow            1880

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on May 14, 2008, 01:02:13 PM
Luit,

Breeder tulips are just fantastic!!! They look much more better, atractive and interesting than most of SLG modern varieties sold in the market.

An interesting question to you.
You said that tulip Rose des Dames  doesn't  look much as a breeder tulip. Then I would like to ask you: what do you think what is the difference (I mean diference in appearance) between breeder and, for example, Darwin tulips (not Darwin Hybrids).

Studying and reading the literature, I made such a conclusion -
Breders are very old tulips with transitional unusual rare colours not found in the tulips from other divisions. I noticed that most of Dutch breeders by their flower shape resemble Darwins, and only some  Cottage tulips.

But I also noticed that English Breeder tulips mainly have a normal distinct colour and rounded goblet-shaped and a bit smaller flowers compared to those of Dutch ones.

So what is your and your collegues' opinion about this matter? I hope that I can hear something new from you. 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on May 21, 2008, 01:13:33 PM
Luit,

You showed us many wonderful photos of the bulbs grown in Connoisseur collection. The only thing you forgot, is making a small advertisement for Mr. Connoisseur, to mention that, besides being a great collector, he is also a tulip breeder to a some extend, as such greigii tulips like “Flaming Torch”, “Inflammantion”, “Kaizerwalzer”, “Majestic” and some others were bred by Mr. Connoisseur.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 22, 2008, 09:47:27 PM
I never asked him and he would be the last telling me!
But now I will, when I see him again.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on May 27, 2008, 10:52:39 PM
Zhirair,
Flaming Torch, Kaiserwalzer, Majestic were bred by Hybrida.
Inflammation was bred by P. Nelis & Son.

they were only registrated by Mr. Connoisseur.
He never made crosses with tulips himself, but he had a keen eye for good bulbs,
being a bulb commissioner for growers and traders.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on June 30, 2008, 01:34:51 PM
After I started this topic, the question raised about how such an enormous
collection is handled without machines.
Here I show you some pictures of the harvest of tulip bulbs.
The work is done with an old-fashioned tool (pict. 1a)
First the leaves and weeds are pulled away and then the upper surface is
gently taken away.
You have to be careful, because the bulbs will often grow a bit aside.
Then the soil is taken away some deeper, so that you may see where the bulbs are.
With the tool the bulbs are then lifted and the most roots cut off, so you can easy
 take them out by hand.

harvesting tulips
harvesting tulips (1)     
harvesting tulips (2)       
harvesting tulips (3)       
harvesting tulips (4)     
harvesting tulips (5)
harvesting tulips (6)
harvesting tulips (7) 
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on June 30, 2008, 01:36:10 PM
Every cultivar comes separate into a trough together with the label.
The work has to be done very accurate to avoid cultivars mixing up!
Then they are sifted a bit to loose most of the sand and put into a netted bag.
These bags come into crates with a bottom of iron netting and then put on a
staple, to let them dry by wind.
Every crate contains 15 cultivars.
On the last picture you may see that the staple is covered with double empty
crates, to avoid to much water comes to the bulbs when it's raining.
After a week or so the crates are brought inside to wait for cleaning.

harvesting tulips (8)   
harvesting tulips (9)     
harvesting tulips (10)   
harvesting tulips (11)         
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: art600 on June 30, 2008, 03:56:28 PM
Luit
How many people are employed on harvesting?  Now it is Tulips, have they already harvested other bulbs?

It seems an impossible task - and then everything has to be replanted! ::) :o :o
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on June 30, 2008, 04:52:33 PM
Hi Arthur, the whole collection is managed by 1 person.
He started to harvest some weeks ago with Corydalis, Crocus, Iris etc.
Last week he finished with all so called botanical Tulips like T. kaufmanniana, T. greigii etc.
and the Single Early Group. When I met him today at the Weekly Flowershow, he told that
he last week also dug the most Colchicum and that he would start with the Triumph Group
this week.
After the tulips he will go on with Fritillaria, Allium, Narcissus and so on.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on June 30, 2008, 06:08:30 PM
Incredible :o :o :o
Mr. Connoisseur must have strong knees and intervertebral disks  :P ::)
He got my full respect!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: David Nicholson on June 30, 2008, 07:16:40 PM
What a job he must have a strong back and knees, he deserves a medal.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: afw on June 30, 2008, 08:44:51 PM
As an aside ..

I have the same  purple vetch growing in my garden, all I need now are the bulbs!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: mark smyth on July 02, 2008, 08:44:14 PM
Best thread and longest running. Amazing to see bulbs from flowering right through to lifting
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on July 03, 2008, 02:01:16 PM
Best thread and longest running. Amazing to see bulbs from flowering right through to lifting

That is a very nice compliment Mark!
But don't forget that YOU are one of the long time Forumists who did help making
the Forum what it is now with your many very interesting contributions!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on July 03, 2008, 02:04:11 PM
I thought it might be interesting to show some pics of the harvest of tulips comparing
to the handwork needed with a big Bulb Collection.
Two tractors are needed.
One is needed to pull the machine which digs and sieves the sand away.
Behind this machine is a place for cubic crates where the bulbs are collected.
Two man take on the sieve some rubbish like roots etc. away.
When the crate is full the machine is stopped and another tractor takes
the full crate away and places an empty one.
The digging machine has a speed of about 5 km./h

Harvesting Tulips 1             
Harvesting Tulips 2         
Harvesting Tulips 3       
Harvesting Tulips 4
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: mark smyth on September 21, 2008, 06:34:02 PM
I've gone through these pages trying to find a Tulip I really liked but I cant see it. Was it called Candy Stick or something similar? From memory it looked very like T. clusiana. Can anyone remember it?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Jim McKenney on September 21, 2008, 06:55:02 PM
I've gone through these pages trying to find a Tulip I really liked but I cant see it. Was it called Candy Stick or something similar? From memory it looked very like T. clusiana. Can anyone remember it?

Mark, was it 'Ice Stick'? That's a form of Tulipa kaufmanniana, but it looks a bit like T. clusiana.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: afw on September 21, 2008, 07:10:19 PM
Mark

There is Tulipa clusiana ' Peppermint Stick' . MBC listed it this year.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on September 15, 2009, 04:16:27 PM
Despite the warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days
I think it is o.k when I put some new pictures here.. :-\

Some pictures of Colchicum made during the last two weeks:

Colchicum Autumn Herald 1 Visser             
Colchicum bivonae 1 J. Huism. 2008             
Colchicum bivonae 2 J. Huism. 2008               
Colchicum bornmuelleri                           
Colchicum byzantinum (naam ?)     
Colchicum cilicicum var purpureum             
Colchicum cilicicum                         
Colchicum Conquest Visser 1993
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on September 15, 2009, 04:20:22 PM
next batch

Colchicum Daendels P.C.N. 1998  
Colchicum Disraeli P.C.N.                    
Colchicum Giant (Broadl. 1994)            
Colchicum giganteum                              
Colchicum Gracia 1                                        
Colchicum Innocence 2 syn C. byzantinum Album            
Colchicum laetum Visser 1993                    
Colchicum Lilac Wonder

some more to come
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Paddy Tobin on September 15, 2009, 06:25:55 PM
Luit,

120 days without a posting but then you come with these wonderful photographs of colchicums. Worth the wait, I think.

Paddy
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 15, 2009, 06:31:05 PM
After the drought the flood of Colchicum is wonderful, Luit, and also it has meant that I am exploring a thread I knew nothing about and find fascinating  ;)  What Connoisseur Collections to enjoy and see side by side to compare and admire - the work, the dedication, the dream - fantastic  :)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on September 15, 2009, 06:44:17 PM
Hello Luit,

thank you for posting the colchicum collection and the excellent photographs.
It is very helpful for identification and to see the differences between the various species and cultivars/hybrids.

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on September 16, 2009, 07:11:03 AM
After the drought the flood of Colchicum is wonderful, Luit, and also it has meant that I am exploring a thread I knew nothing about and find fascinating  ;)  What Connoisseur Collections to enjoy and see side by side to compare and admire - the work, the dedication, the dream - fantastic  :)
Thanks for the compliment Robin, so glad you like this thread.
Now you have 20 more pages to look at  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on September 16, 2009, 07:21:41 AM
A disadvantage of preparing and posting many named pictures is that I hardly have time to look
at other threads  :(. Well, now and then I have a short look, but rarely time left to make compliments
or comments.  ::) ::) ::)

next

Colchicum lusitanicum P.C.N. 1998               
Colchicum macrophyllum Cambr. B. 2001           
Colchicum Nancy Lindsay Avon B. 1999         
Colchicum Neptun J.R. 2005             
Colchicum pannonicum Visser 1993         
Colchicum Pink Goblet                   
Colchicum Poseidon J.R. 2000     
Colchicum Princess Astrid Avon B. 1998
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on September 16, 2009, 08:11:45 AM
Thanks for wonderful photos, Luit!!!!!!!!!

I am very pleased to see that this topic continues.
I enjoyed your photos much, though some made me confused regarding my some cultivars being true to name. There are many look-alikes among pale-purple varieties, which often makes it very difficult to identify which is which. For example, my 'Giant' has yellow anthers while yours, illustrated in the picture, is with orange ones. At the same time my Giganteum has orange anthers, while yours - yellow. But yours have very distinct funnel-shaped flowers, which tell about its accuracy.

Colchicum 'Neptun' looks strange and much different from mine. But in this case I am sure that mine is true to name (elongated petals, small base, darker coloration than ordinary pale-purple ones).
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 16, 2009, 12:40:55 PM
Great photos as always, Luit. Please send some greetings to our friend!!

BUT - how do you count 120 days from 21st September 2008 to 15th September 2009 ???
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on September 16, 2009, 12:47:08 PM
Great photos as always, Luit. Please send some greetings to our friend!!

BUT - how do you count 120 days from 21st September 2008 to 15th September 2009 ???
Thomas, the message that comes up tells you if MORE THAN 120 days have passed since the last post.... :D

Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 16, 2009, 12:48:42 PM
OK, Maggi. But I was sure Luit would be able to count more than 120  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on September 16, 2009, 12:53:56 PM
OK, Maggi. But I was sure Luit would be able to count more than 120  ;D ;D
I'm not sure about that, Thomas... but I'm sure Vroni can!  ;)  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on September 16, 2009, 09:40:17 PM
You may count on that !!  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on September 16, 2009, 09:50:27 PM
Thanks for wonderful photos, Luit!!!!!!!!!

I am very pleased to see that this topic continues.
I enjoyed your photos much, though some made me confused regarding my some cultivars being true to name. There are many look-alikes among pale-purple varieties, which often makes it very difficult to identify which is which. For example, my 'Giant' has yellow anthers while yours, illustrated in the picture, is with orange ones. At the same time my Giganteum has orange anthers, while yours - yellow. But yours have very distinct funnel-shaped flowers, which tell about its accuracy.

Zhirair, I cannot discuss about and if Colchicum are true to name, but the good thing is that many labels show the origin where plants came from.
When nothing is on the label then this is a plant cultivated many years in Holland, which of course does not always mean "true to name".

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Colchicum 'Neptun' looks strange and much different from mine. But in this case I am sure that mine is true to name (elongated petals, small base, darker coloration than ordinary pale-purple ones).
In this case you might ask the man (J.R. 2005), who originally delivered these bulbs. Maybe he can help you out??
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on September 16, 2009, 09:54:24 PM
last Colchicum batch

Colchicum Rosy Dawn 1                                 
Colchicum speciosum Atrorubens (Avon B. 2000)               
Colchicum tenorii CSW 1998                               
Colchicum Violet Queen 1                             
Colchicum Violet Queen 2                             
Colchicum William Dykes 1 Visser 1993               
Colchicum William Dykes 2 Visser 1993           
Colchicum Zephyr 1         
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lvandelft on September 16, 2009, 09:56:20 PM
and here the last picture
                                 
Amaryllis belladonna Johannes Burg
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on September 16, 2009, 10:13:56 PM
Luit,  may I ask you to pass our good wishes to Mr Connoisseur for again allowing you to share his collection with us? Also I hope that he is well?
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: johnw on September 16, 2009, 10:42:43 PM
and here the last picture
                                  
Amaryllis belladonna Johannes Burg


Wow!   :o

I have a big pot with a dozen fat bulbs but nary a flower stem since purchased in 1993.  Maybe someday mine will flower, I have no intentions of giving up on them now.

Thanks for posting the photo Luit. This thread is a remarkable resource.  Relay our thanks to Mr. C

johnw
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: mark smyth on September 16, 2009, 10:53:47 PM
Luit thanks for the photos of Colchicums. They add to the lust list
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Boyed on September 17, 2009, 08:06:33 AM
Luit,

I just want to mention that talking about mislabeling I don’t necessary mean that the companies grow or deliver the stock under wrong name. In some cases growers mix the stock by mistake (when packing). I attaché 2 photos of my ‘Neptum’, which I hope is true to name, as the appearance of the plant carefully corresponds to the descriptions.

Pleased to see colchicum speciosusm ‘Atrorunense’. Normally it should have dark tubes. I got mine several years ago from my Russian friend. And the most interesting thing is that in his garden it develops dark tubes, but in my garden no. But the shape of flower and growing habit is the same. I see that the specimen in Connoisseur collection looks the same as mine. I also notices that it is a very slow increaser.

And this comment is especially for Hagen,
Take a look on the variety ‘Zephyr’. If you remember I discussed it in colchicum thread stating that my samples could be not true to name as they have larger and not starry base, looking different from yours. Now seeing the photo of it here I am gain confused, as the specimen illustrated here closely resembles mine in appearance. Now I don’t know what to think. Indeed, there are many look-alikes among pale purple-coloured cultivars and the difference can be mostly observed when they are grown next to each other.

Surprised to know that amaryllis belladonna can be grown outside in Holland. It looks amazing!

John,
from my experience I can say that colchicums, especially large ones don’t like pots very much. If they are grown this way, it’ll be better at least to keep them outside under fresh air during vegetation (besides they should be planted in very big pots to develop good-sized bulbs).
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on November 22, 2011, 12:37:06 PM
New book for Tulip Lovers
 I was very happy to find information  about this book on the VRV forum...
http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=565.0


Followers of this  superb thread, the "Connoiseur Collection" will know of the remakable Dutch grower Kees (Cees)  Breed. This man has one of the most astonishing private collections of bulbs imaginable. A particular favourite of his are the tulips and he has a world class collection  made since the 1950s of old and special rare tulips...around 1900 varieties ... many of them historical types, most lost to general cultivation many years ago. Some date back to the time of Clusius and Tulipomania!

A new book is available, price 19 euros... with 100 photographs of lost or forgotten tulip varieties from the collection of Mr Breed.
The book has been produced by his son, Eric Breed.
The book may be ordered by email  :
 info@tulippictures.eu
More information is here :
http://www.tulippictures.eu/LOST+TULIPS/
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2016, 08:03:30 PM
We in the Scottish Rock Garden Club hold Kees Breed in high regard - we even have this whole thread dedicated to his amazing bulb collection - nice to see him being celebrated in this magazine ' Land Leven'  where his tulip collection is celebrated as being the largest in the world. Photos for the article are by his son Eric.

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Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Regelian on May 03, 2016, 01:10:12 PM
Wow, would love to get ahold of this article!  In case you didn't get the title, it says 'for months there is nothing to see of the collection'.  A tribute to patience and expectation.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 04, 2016, 12:06:32 AM
Jamie, have you been underground for a long time? or off in space?  :D I don't recall having seen you on the Forum for a long time. But perhaps I have been asleep. ??? Anyway, it's good to hear from you again.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on August 13, 2016, 02:18:00 PM
Kees Breed  replanting Colchicum from the "Connoiseur Collection" - photo from his son Eric on Facebook today.

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Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on April 04, 2017, 12:49:40 PM
Last year we lost Luit van Delft, the knowledgeable former nurseryman and  SRGC member who brought us this  wonderful thread, detailing the  extensive collection of  Kees Breed. ( Read about Luit's passing here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14842.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14842.0))

Now it is my sad duty to tell you of the  death of our Mr Connoisseur himself.  Kees Breed  has passed away at the age of 79.

Kees Breed was  the originator of the extensive bulb collection known to readers of the SRGC Forum as the "Connoiseur Collection". Kees had many admirers in the SRGC and he will be greatly missed. His contribution to our knowledge of bulbs should not be underestimated. Kees' son Eric  and a grandson, Bastiann are continuing Kees'  work.
Kees' funeral will be  on Friday. 
Our sincere condolences to all his family at this sad time.

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An obituary from a Dutch paper for Kees Breed - "Tulip Collector" says the title - but he was so much more!
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: David Nicholson on April 04, 2017, 07:13:53 PM
Both perfect gentlemen and much missed.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 04, 2017, 10:08:23 PM
So sad !  :'(
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on April 05, 2017, 01:05:04 PM
From Bert Breed - Kees'  brother  - http://bertbreed.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/kees.html (http://bertbreed.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/kees.html)

 A photo of Kees Breed from April 2013, when he was honoured by Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands
 
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Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Armin on April 06, 2017, 03:03:08 PM
Sad news and a great loss :'(
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on March 07, 2018, 05:16:32 PM
Lovely post on Facebook today from Eric Breed .....
 "Narcissus 'The Expert' blooming in a pot today. Bred by Carlos van der and it was named for our dad we lost in april last year."

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Narcissus 'The Expert'

 What a good memorial for  our  "Connoisseur" !
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: David Nicholson on March 07, 2018, 05:22:49 PM
Seconded
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: annew on March 08, 2018, 08:47:51 AM
A beautiful flower for the great man.
Title: Re: Connoisseur Collection
Post by: Maggi Young on April 02, 2018, 01:19:45 PM
Remembering Kees Breed - the connoiseur - a year  after his death ..

Eric Breed :
"1 year now since you passed away dad, we will continue your bulb passion with pride..."

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