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Title: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on April 04, 2024, 02:42:43 PM
This spring Paeonia daurica bloomed 20 days earlier than last year.

(https://i.imgur.com/tBGiIsMl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/haDAZbHl.jpg)
Paeonia daurica
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Gail on April 06, 2024, 10:28:45 AM
That looks lovely Stefan. My first peony opened yesterday, Paeonia mascula subsp. russoi I love this one - fabulous foliage, with gorgeous cotton-woolly undersides to the leaves and always early; this year it has beaten P. obovata.
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Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on April 07, 2024, 03:07:11 PM
Yes peony season has begun, how lovely that you have this beautiful plant Gail!
(https://i.imgur.com/PKzS6Oel.jpg)
Paeonia officinalis 'Mollis'

I bought P. mlokosewitchii in Spring 2018 from Kiftsgate Court Gardenn, lovely garden! It was a small plant, maybe from seed , it hasn't flowered yet, how many years does it take for this species to reach maturity, does anyone know?
(https://i.imgur.com/9QvfjmVl.jpg)
Paeonia mlokosewitchii
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Leena on April 07, 2024, 03:41:24 PM
My first peony opened yesterday, Paeonia mascula subsp. russoi I love this one - fabulous foliage, with gorgeous cotton-woolly undersides to the leaves and always early; this year it has beaten P. obovata.

That looks lovely, how nice foliage and also flowers are pretty! I once had seedlings germinating but lost them one winter.

I bought P. mlokosewitchii in Spring 2018 from Kiftsgate Court Gardenn, lovely garden! It was a small plant, maybe from seed , it hasn't flowered yet, how many years does it take for this species to reach maturity, does anyone know?

I think the foliage looks like it should flower next year. It depends on the soil and such, but I think it should flower maybe 5 years from germinating.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Palustris on April 07, 2024, 03:42:34 PM
Our P. mascula ssp. rossii is open too.
Even got a couple of seeds germinated of it from last year.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Gail on April 08, 2024, 06:25:22 PM
First of my tree peonies to flower - grown from seed sown 2017 as P. decomposita. Very pretty flower with a light sweet fragrance.
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Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on April 08, 2024, 08:33:33 PM
Very beautiful photo of this lovely plant, Gail!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Gail on April 10, 2024, 08:28:17 PM
Thank you Stefan, it has the nicest scent of any of my tree peonies.
Paeonia ? 'Shima-nishiki' opened in my front garden but is taking a battering from the wind. This has only produced all red flowers for me; I'm hoping it gives me some stripey ones in due course.
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Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on April 11, 2024, 05:16:19 PM
This has only produced all red flowers for me; I'm hoping it gives me some stripey ones in due course.

When established the plant will begin to show striped flowers. It takes him a few years to do that.

A few more bloomed today.

(https://i.imgur.com/280RRBwl.jpg)
Paeonia tenuifolia

(https://i.imgur.com/VVaQ3Zfl.jpg)
Paeonia ostii 'Feng Dan Bai'

(https://i.imgur.com/d4mXYvnl.jpg)
Paeonia 'Earlybird' (Paeonia woodwardii x Paeonia tenuifolia)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Maggi Young on April 11, 2024, 05:32:05 PM
Our paeonies, growing in Aberdeen, are far behind those shown here - but with all the wind and rain, that is probably a blessing!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Gail on April 16, 2024, 08:10:51 AM
Yes, we've had wind and heavy hailstorms - not good for peonies! My front garden in sunshine;
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Paeonia rockii - the plant Rivieres sells as UK form
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Cardinal Vaughan
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which is identical to (but the supplier charges 3 times the price of) 'Shimadaijin'
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Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Gail on April 16, 2024, 08:15:23 AM
Paeonia tenuifolia is the one most commented on by passers-by;
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P. ostii ('Feng Dan Bei'), very popular with bees;
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Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on April 16, 2024, 09:29:12 PM
Paeonia tenuifolia is the one most commented on by passers-by;
It really is an impressive old plant with many flowers!

The funny thing is my Peony 'Shima Nishiki' is also only in red this season.  :)

(https://i.imgur.com/umUpdDnl.jpg)
Peony 'Shima Nishiki'
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Herman Mylemans on April 17, 2024, 06:03:04 PM
Paeonia mlokosewitchii
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Jürg P on April 25, 2024, 12:36:43 PM
Also this year my Shima Nishiki flowered only in red. It had 4 flowers this year (last year it was only one, but it had white stripes).

I have another strange thing. My P. emodi grows every year and shows small flower buds, but they do not develop over 1cm in diameter. Sometimes I had issues with frost and tried to cover the plant, but this year there was no frost only temperatures a bit above zero degree. Has anybody any idea why this could be?

Another problem I have is with P. veitchii. I got 3 times plants from a colleague and every time they disappeared/died after 1-2 years. Maybe I should try it with seeds, but where can I get some seeds of P. veitchii; can anybody of you send me some if you have some?

Here near Basel most of the tree peonies have finished with flowering except for the P. delavayi's which just started to flower.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Leena on April 25, 2024, 06:36:40 PM
I have another strange thing. My P. emodi grows every year and shows small flower buds, but they do not develop over 1cm in diameter. Sometimes I had issues with frost and tried to cover the plant, but this year there was no frost only temperatures a bit above zero degree. Has anybody any idea why this could be?

Another problem I have is with P. veitchii. I got 3 times plants from a colleague and every time they disappeared/died after 1-2 years. Maybe I should try it with seeds, but where can I get some seeds of P. veitchii; can anybody of you send me some if you have some?

I had the same problem with P.emodi, the buds shrivelled and didn't open, and after one winter I lost the entire plant.
With P.veitchii (and anomala) I have never had any problems or deaths ( daurica types and officinalis types are more difficult here), and I have thought P.veitchii to be the most reliable peony here in my garden.  It grows here mostly in semishade or some sun, but not in dry sunny sandy slope where P.officinalis does well. It grows also well in clay soil where many peonies get botrytis but not weitchii or anomala.
I can send you seeds of P.veitchii next autumn, unfortunately I don't have any left now.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Gail on April 25, 2024, 08:25:26 PM
My veitchii is not flowering this year, which is my fault as I've let it get overcrowded so must move it. My emodi (from wild-collected seed) has just opened its first flower with several more to come. It does seem quite prone to botrytis and needs watching.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Jürg P on April 26, 2024, 08:39:32 AM
Thanks Leena and Gail.
@Leena: That would be great, if you could send me in autumn some seeds of your P. veitchii; thanks.

I have clay in my garden and for me it looked like that is the reason why P. veitchii is not doing well here. It was more or less in full sun, but I would like to try in future in semi-shade and in a mixture of clay and compost earth; hopefully it would like this more.

The P. emodi shows no sign of botrytis (I have anyhow only few locations where I can see probably some botrytis damage, as normally I eliminate the dead material of the Peonies). The flower buds of P. emodi actually do not shrivel or get brown for very long; they just stay at the same size for months and green. I try this year to fertilize more (I actually did not fertilize in the past years, but there are about 8 stems, so a real mature plant).

It is always surprising that some people have problems with some plants while others do not have them, but they have problems with other plants which others (i.e. the some people) do not have. It is probably a kind of mixture of environment (earth, temperature, nutrients, water, sun) and care of the garden owner. Most of the environment one can influence by changing place or earth, watering or fertilizing. The care one certainly can change, but strangely, the more and care the less some plants like it.

Does anybody of you know the name of the following cultivar (I got it under the name of 'Quing Long Wo Mo Chi'); the flowers are most time double, but sometimes also only semi-double as seen on one of the 2 pictures? The plant itself only gets to a height of around 40cm, but I really like the flowers especially when they are only semi-double.
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Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Gail on April 29, 2024, 07:34:51 PM
It is always easier to say what a peony is not than to give it a correct name...

I was at Madingley Hall near Cambridge at the weekend. Their walled garden is delightful and I was pleased to see P. mlokosewitchii flowering.
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In my own garden 'Lydia Foote' is now at her best;
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and new to me this year Paeonia 'Mikunino-akebono' which has ragged edges to the petals
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Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on April 29, 2024, 09:00:06 PM

Does anybody of you know the name of the following cultivar (I got it under the name of 'Quing Long Wo Mo Chi'); the flowers are most time double, but sometimes also only semi-double as seen on one of the 2 pictures? The plant itself only gets to a height of around 40cm, but I really like the flowers especially when they are only semi-double.

Здравейте Jürg,
Maybe your peony is called Paeonia 'Shimano-fuji', but this variety is suffruticosa, good luck finding its real name!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: arisaema on April 29, 2024, 09:20:36 PM
Does anybody of you know the name of the following cultivar (I got it under the name of 'Quing Long Wo Mo Chi')

It's definitely not 青龙卧墨池, you can see that one here: https://dp.pconline.com.cn/photo/3518371.html
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on April 30, 2024, 05:34:10 PM


and new to me this year Paeonia 'Mikunino-akebono' which has ragged edges to the petals
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I like this!!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on April 30, 2024, 05:47:26 PM
I am very impressed by the deep red color of this peony.
(https://i.imgur.com/M42pppAl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ED4CKrnl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qJXqG0Hl.jpg)
Paeonia suffruticosa 'Hephestos'
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Gail on April 30, 2024, 09:04:17 PM
That is lovely Stefan! I tried to buy 'Hephestos' but the plant I was sent flowered pale cream...
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on May 01, 2024, 07:42:08 AM
That is lovely Stefan! I tried to buy 'Hephestos' but the plant I was sent flowered pale cream...
This is very annoying, sorry!  I have been looking for this variety for a long time at an affordable price, I have been happy with it for several years.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on May 01, 2024, 06:46:22 PM
A little more imagination is needed to see the orange color... in fact when it starts to overbloom the color changes to orange, it's kind of reassuring.  :)
(https://i.imgur.com/3Js1aOg.jpg)
P. potaninii ‚Orange-Rot‘
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: GordonT on May 02, 2024, 01:34:37 AM
[quote author=Jürg P link=topic=19512.msg434064#msg434064 date=1714117172

Does anybody of you know the name of the following cultivar (I got it under the name of 'Quing Long Wo Mo Chi'); the flowers are most time double, but sometimes also only semi-double as seen on one of the 2 pictures? The plant itself only gets to a height of around 40cm, but I really like the flowers especially when they are only semi-double.
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[/quote]

Hello Jurg, you might want to ask the folks at Cricket Hill Nursery in Connecticut, USA. They have an extensive collection of tree peonies, far beyond what they list in their catalogue. Many are Chinese cultivars, so perhaps they could identify your impressive plant.

Cheers,

Gordon
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on May 07, 2024, 04:57:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9hmX1eyl.jpg)
Paeonia 'Lemon Chiffon'

(https://i.imgur.com/YHU0eGzl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YwPsmV3l.jpg)
Paeonia suffruticosa 'Golden Temple'
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Jürg P on May 13, 2024, 05:34:51 PM
It is strange how many names this peony cultivar has:
- Golden Temple
- Golden Temple of Nara
- Souvenir de Maxime Cornu
- Souvenir de Prof. Maxime Cornu
- Kinkaku
- Jing Ge
- Jin Ge
This cultivar was bred in 1907 by Louis Henry, it is the second oldest lutea hybrid - a cross between the species Paeonia suffruticosa and Paeonia lutea.
The problem with this very nice peony is, that the flowers are always hanging down, as they are so heavy (but also beautiful). The influence of P. lutea is not only visible by its yellow colour, but also that it has sometimes not only one flower per stem but a second one below from an leave axil.
I have mine since more than 20 years. It is meanwhile a large shrub of around 1m height and 1m in diameter.[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: arisaema on May 13, 2024, 06:57:19 PM
It is strange how many names this peony cultivar has:
- Golden Temple
- Golden Temple of Nara
[...]
- Kinkaku
- Jing Ge
- Jin Ge

It's lovely, I grew it years ago, and I need to find it again! All the Japanese and Chinese names above are basically the same, 金閣, directly translating to Golden Pavillion.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: ruweiss on May 13, 2024, 09:12:28 PM
Photographed these Peonies one week ago.
All the plants are from seed:
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Maggi Young on May 13, 2024, 09:33:43 PM
Still only tight buds here in Aberdeen, so it's a real pleasure to see these flowering elsewhere.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Gail on May 14, 2024, 07:12:01 PM
Mine are behind Stefan's, Lemon Chiffon has just opened here.
We've had a few days of warm sunshine and now they are all coming out in a rush; you want to tell them to slow down so you get chance to appreciate each one...
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Paeonia 'Lemon Chiffon' with bees

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Paeonia ‘Wu Kong Xiu Xing’
Title: Re: Paeonia 2024
Post by: Stefan B. on May 14, 2024, 08:24:29 PM
It is very nice when you manage to capture the moment when the peonies bloom!

(https://i.imgur.com/qkkF4o7l.jpg)
Paeonia officinalis 'Rosea Plena'

(https://i.imgur.com/j058KOdl.jpg)
Paeonia  'Daisy Coronet'

(https://i.imgur.com/FCorr8Al.jpg)
Peony 'Anderson's Kaleidoscoop'
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