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Graeme Strachan

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Re: Crocus to identify? Post them here....
« Reply #465 on: February 19, 2011, 09:53:29 PM »
Tony,
        Yes, it is quite small and yes with the short style and stippling, I thought at first it might be danfordiae, however the petal shape does not look right for danfordiae. It has the palest of blue appearance on the outer petals.
More pictures of the same one.

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« Reply #466 on: February 20, 2011, 12:27:01 AM »
I'd say we have the same thing.  Crocus biflorus isauricus is variable (aren't they all ;D) but this one is not much like all the others I grow so I lean towards C danfordiae but with reservations!

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« Reply #467 on: February 20, 2011, 11:40:22 AM »
  What about throat! white or yellow? I can't see on picture some thimes it is reflecting?
On my archive all C. danfordiae pics taken in wild with yellow throat and short red style.

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« Reply #468 on: February 20, 2011, 12:26:37 PM »
Has anyone any idea what I have here? It has lightly speckled outer petals and a white style.
It grew from one of the three corms below - the other two haven't flowered yet.

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                          Graeme
It seem to be some albino - so identification without seeing the plant in vivo is absolute nightmare.
From where it comes - another important question.
Size of corms, allow to think about danfordiae, but leaves seem to be too wide.
Looking for biflorus subsp. - some albino punctatus - but again - leaves seem to be too wide, although position of style to anthers respond to this subsp. .
So by me from features visible on picture most likely could be pale taurii with white stigma. Such are foundable in some populations of various subspecies.
White stigmatic branches has leucostylosus, but its throat usually is more sharply defined and far deeper yellow, corm tunics are different, too.
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« Reply #469 on: February 20, 2011, 12:31:26 PM »
Tony,
        Yes, it is quite small and yes with the short style and stippling, I thought at first it might be danfordiae, however the petal shape does not look right for danfordiae. It has the palest of blue appearance on the outer petals.
More pictures of the same one.

                    Graeme
After seeing additional pictures my opinion is that most likely it is C. danfordiae - the scale comparing with stamps on background shows that leaves are really narrow and size of flower is very small. I don't know other alternative at present. I didn't saw danfordiae with white stigma, but that don't mean that such plants can't exist due huge variability in colour.
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« Reply #470 on: February 20, 2011, 02:46:33 PM »
Tony, Janis and ibrahim
Below are another couple of pictures of scale and its throat(I spoilt it a bit when I pollenated it) which is very pale yellow.

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« Last Edit: February 20, 2011, 03:12:21 PM by Graeme Strachan »
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« Reply #471 on: February 20, 2011, 02:58:33 PM »
Tony, Janis and ibrahim
Below are another couple of pictures of scale and its throat(I spoilt it a biy when I pollenated it) which is very pale yellow.

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My opinion - danfordiae.
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« Reply #472 on: February 20, 2011, 06:56:04 PM »
  Yes, for me also this is a C. danfordiae, but off the right road.
I want to know if it is increased allways by vegetative or seeds?
Maybe Tony has experience!

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« Reply #473 on: February 20, 2011, 09:31:29 PM »
Tony, Janis and ibrahim,
                                 Thank you very much for your expertise and clarification. A C. danfordiae it is. (albeit a strange one)

                                  regards

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« Reply #474 on: February 20, 2011, 11:10:05 PM »
  Yes, for me also this is a C. danfordiae, but off the right road.
I want to know if it is increased allways by vegetative or seeds?
Maybe Tony has experience!
Both - mostly seed and it breeds true, no variation.

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« Reply #475 on: February 22, 2011, 09:23:14 PM »
Many thanks Janis and Armin,
Armin-- unfortunately, flower is over now but have posted some other views , Jim
« Last Edit: February 22, 2011, 09:32:54 PM by jnovis »
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« Reply #476 on: February 26, 2011, 03:39:29 PM »
Can anybody put a name to this Crocus?


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« Reply #477 on: February 26, 2011, 05:18:22 PM »
Many thanks Janis and Armin,
Armin-- unfortunately, flower is over now but have posted some other views , Jim

Jim,
I'd like to revise my opinion. In the second picture is some yellow and cv. sublimis 'Tricolor' has also a dark stem (buds visible in my lawn).
So I think is true ssp. sublimis -pretty nice anyway.
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« Reply #478 on: February 26, 2011, 05:37:06 PM »
Can anybody put a name to this Crocus?
Herbert from frozen Austria

Herbert,
there are 2 to 3 candidates I have in mind. If spring flowerer then first thought C. paschei (but leaves in your sample are very thin compared to pictures of reference samples I have). Or second, close ally C.adanensis (but has no yellow center).
If third flowered in autuum C. caspius.

Can you provide us some background of the picture? Was the picture taken in the wild?
Best wishes
Armin

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« Reply #479 on: February 26, 2011, 08:17:04 PM »
I got this crocus at the 2009 Discussion Weekend as small corms.  They were labelled Crocus vernus heuffelianus but do not look correct.
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