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Title: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on February 25, 2021, 06:37:19 PM
After the snow was gone Erythronium caucasicum appeared very quickly (16/02/2021). Next picture 3 days later.
Finally on 23/02/2021 it was in full bloom.

Today Erythronium dens-canis ssp. niveum also starts to flower. So the Erythronium season has started here.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Linda on February 26, 2021, 01:32:31 PM
Here in my garden Erythronium multiscapoideum is alway the very first, starting to appear more or less on first of Febr with stunning leaves. The flowers though will start to bloom much later, even later as the first dens canis that started flowering 3 days ago.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on March 07, 2021, 10:04:19 AM
Erythronium albidum
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on March 18, 2021, 04:48:05 PM
This Erythronium had the wrong name. What can it be? Maybe Erythronium helenae?
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Ian Y on March 18, 2021, 05:24:06 PM
I don't think it is E. helenae from what I can see more like a form or hybrid of E. oregonum.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on March 18, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
I don't think it is E. helenae from what I can see more like a form or hybrid of E. oregonum.
Thank you Ian, I will change the name in E. oregonum.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on March 19, 2021, 05:20:50 PM
Ian, I took today a new picture of the inner side of the flower, the style is not straight. Isn't that something for E. helenae? The seed of this plant is collected in the wild.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2021, 10:23:04 PM
Oh yes, we can see the  bent  style  in the  new  photos, Herman - which does speak to E. helanae. The  style seemed straight in the  first  photos.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on March 19, 2021, 10:25:06 PM
Oh yes, we can see the  bent  style  in the  new  photos, Herman - which does speak to E. helanae. The  style seemed straight in the  first  photos.
Thank you Maggi.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Ian Y on March 20, 2021, 12:33:07 PM
Thanks for the extra pictures despite the bend in the style I still think it to be a form or hybrid of E. oregonum I can see the filaments in the latest pictures that are not at all like those of E. helenae but are typical for oregonum.
The bend in the style may have been caused by damage you will need to inspect other flowers if it is consistent then it could indicate hybridisation between these two species is possible.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Ian Y on March 20, 2021, 12:51:07 PM
Herman Check out the pictures in the chapter on E. helenae in my book the link to the bulb log with that chapter is below.

https://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Jan201453287322BULB_LOG_0316.pdf[attachimg=1]

Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on March 20, 2021, 01:39:09 PM
Thanks for the extra pictures despite the bend in the style I still think it to be a form or hybrid of E. oregonum I can see the filaments in the latest pictures that are not at all like those of E. helenae but are typical for oregonum.
The bend in the style may have been caused by damage you will need to inspect other flowers if it is consistent then it could indicate hybridisation between these two species is possible.
Ian, it is the only flower for this year. I have E. oregonum on another place in the garden but they are not flowering yet. From the past pictures of E. oregonum, I know that they look different from this plant. I have also asked at Luc Scheldeman from who I have got this plant. His plants, from the same seedpacket, are named E. oregonum. I have also asked him to look if the style in his plants are bended or straight. I am still waiting for his answer.
Ian, I read your very good E-book regularly, there I saw the bent style for E. helenae.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Ed Alverson on March 22, 2021, 02:26:41 PM
Speaking of Erythronium helenae - the species has a fairly narrow range in the coastal mountains north of San Francisco, and much of the species' habitat burned in wildfires in 2020. Now that spring has arrived, the populations of E. helenae are blooming in profusion. This is actually a common post-wildfire response in Erythronium.  You can see photos people have posted on iNaturalist at this link: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&subview=grid&taxon_id=59445. I don't believe you need to be logged in to view the photos. The large yellow "egg-yolk" in the center of the flower, the yellow anthers with terete filaments, and bent styles are the features that, taken together, distinguish E. helenae (and the related recently described species, E. shastense from north of Redding).
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Maggi Young on March 29, 2021, 06:49:45 PM
These lovely photos are by Nickolay Stepanov , taken from Facebook
Erythronium sajanense - typical color and size  and in  habitat 

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Mass flowering Eryhthronium sajanense in nature (Western Sayan, valley) Массовое цветение Eryhthronium sajanense в природе (Западный Саян, долина р. Ус).

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Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Tristan_He on March 29, 2021, 07:09:19 PM
That's pretty impressive Maggi. I was thinking I hadn't seen that part of the garden in the Bulblog before...

E. sajanense is a new one on me, is it newly described?

Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Maggi Young on March 29, 2021, 08:55:49 PM
That's pretty impressive Maggi. I was thinking I hadn't seen that part of the garden in the Bulblog before...

E. sajanense is a new one on me, is it newly described?


If only we had land like that, Tristan!  Ian would be ecstatic!  The species was described in  2011 :
Erythronium sajanense Stepanov & Stassova, Vestn. Krasnoyarsk. Gosud. Agrar. Univ. 8: 60 (2011), the same year as  Erythronium krylovii Stepanov, Vestn. Krasnoyarsk. Gosud. Agrar. Univ. 8: 62 (2011).
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on March 30, 2021, 08:03:55 AM
Erythronium californicum

Erythronium hendersonii
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on March 30, 2021, 08:06:25 AM
Erythronium multiscapoideum var. cliftonii

Erythronium grandiflorum var. pallidum
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on March 30, 2021, 08:07:25 AM
Erythronium umbilicatum
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on April 01, 2021, 11:32:29 PM
Erythronium dens-canis surprised me with a bloom.  It is unpredictable in my garden.

Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on April 01, 2021, 11:33:28 PM
Erythronium americanum outdid itself this year.

Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on April 01, 2021, 11:34:25 PM
Erythronium albidum spreads a little farther each year.

Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on April 01, 2021, 11:38:25 PM
My tags are confused, and so am I.  I'm not sure if this is Erythronium citrinum, californicum, or some other.  Regardless, the foliage and flowers are nice.

Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on April 01, 2021, 11:40:40 PM
I think this is Erythronium californicum.

Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Tristan_He on April 01, 2021, 11:42:37 PM
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Erythronium hendersonii


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This one came as E. hendersonii hybrid from Pitcairn. It seems very similar to the species except that it bulks up a bit.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Tristan_He on April 01, 2021, 11:46:31 PM
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Emerging leaves of (I think) E. californicum.

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Nice marbling in this hybrid too. Erythronium leaves tend to get overlooked a bit because of the beauty of the flowers, but the best ones are exceptional.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Ian Y on April 02, 2021, 01:03:44 PM
My tags are confused, and so am I.  I'm not sure if this is Erythronium citrinum, californicum, or some other.  Regardless, the foliage and flowers are nice.

It is not easy to ID a plant from a picture but from the parts of the flower I can see I would favour this being E. citrinum although I cannot rule out californicum.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on April 03, 2021, 04:12:58 AM
Thanks for looking, Ian.  I took another photo, looking up into the open flowers.  Maybe this will be definitive?  If not, it's still a lovely plant.   :)

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Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Tristan_He on April 04, 2021, 11:54:37 PM
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Erythronium revolutum
. This is a good deep colour form that was sent to me by a friend in the US many years ago. Unfortunately something ate through the main clump a couple of years ago (I suspect a vole), but I had seedlings coming on and it has also self-seeded quite freely. These are in too sunny a location really, the flowers don't last long. I have donated seed of this to the Exchange as var. Johnsonii for a number of years.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 05, 2021, 01:13:06 AM
Our Erythronium revolutum grow in wet areas along streams.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Tristan_He on April 05, 2021, 09:59:28 AM
Thanks Diane, I'll try some in a damper spot then. This area does dry out quite easily.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Guff on April 07, 2021, 11:42:05 PM
Erythronium
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on April 08, 2021, 09:44:01 AM
Erythronium
Beautiful Erythroniums Guff!
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Guff on April 08, 2021, 06:15:27 PM
Herman, thanks

This one must be Purple King, the other two pinks in my last post must be Frans Hals. Thought I was taking pictures of two different plants.

Last picture, unknown as of yet. Years ago I purchased seed of the more rare species Erythronium. This will be my first from seed to flower.


Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Maggi Young on April 16, 2021, 02:05:51 PM
This photo of a  spectacular  colour  of  E. sibericum is from Dimitri Zubov     :o 8)

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Erythronium sibiricum TAIGA
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Guff on April 18, 2021, 05:08:59 PM
Erythronium
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Post by: Herman Mylemans on April 18, 2021, 05:43:14 PM
Great Erythronium's!

Erythronium oregonum ssp leucandrum

Erythronium citrinum ssp. citrinum
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on April 18, 2021, 05:45:34 PM
Erythronium tuolumnense

Erythronium howellii
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Tristan_He on April 19, 2021, 07:45:14 PM
It's more or less peak Erythronium season here:

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'Kinfauns Sunrise' is a Pitcairn Nursery hybrid.

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'Joanna' is super and very vigorous.

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'Sundisc' is the good-looking sibling of the better-known 'Pagoda'. The flowers are brighter yellow and the leaves better marked, so it is well worth seeking out.

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E. hendersonii is still in flower, though looking a bit battered now. We had some windy conditions but I think we avoided the worst of the weather that hit Ian in Scotland.

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'Kinfauns Pink', another Pitcairn hybrid. This is a bit pale for my taste if I'm honest.

Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Tristan_He on April 19, 2021, 07:56:01 PM
Now here are a few Erythroniums from Aberconwy Nursery. They have been breeding quite a few of late:

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'Bryn Meifod'.

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Aberconwy Chocolate group

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Aberconwy Marbled group

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A selection from the Aberconwy Marbled group, as yet un-named, with particularly good leaves.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: David Nicholson on April 19, 2021, 08:24:48 PM
Nice selection Tristan. Shows the difference a couple of hundred miles makes, mine are just about going over now. I haven't been able to posted any pictures of this years crop.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Guff on April 19, 2021, 08:30:13 PM
Over 30 flowers/buds in this small patch.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Tristan_He on April 19, 2021, 09:14:47 PM
Nice selection Tristan. Shows the difference a couple of hundred miles makes, mine are just about going over now. I haven't been able to posted any pictures of this years crop.

Thanks David.

My mother lives in Devon and she is always a good 2-3 weeks ahead of us too. I love to visit the collection at Garden House when I get the chance. Think I may also try to extend the season by planting some bulbs in shadier spots.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Guff on April 20, 2021, 12:02:41 AM
Every year I make crosses, with different Erythronium that are open at the time.

First seedling to flower. Thinking Hendersonii x Revolutum or Oregonum?
Suppose to be in mid 20's Wed night, maybe later in the week it will open all the way.


Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Leena on April 20, 2021, 08:02:47 AM
Tristan and Guff, really beautiful clumps of Erythroniums!
Here they are now peaking from the ground,also the ones planted last summer are coming up well:),  and I see also first buds in two plants sown in 2015.
This year I think there will be more of my own fresh seeds to sow for the future.

Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Guff on April 23, 2021, 07:57:20 PM
Erythronium seedling
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Guff on April 24, 2021, 06:27:30 PM
Erythronium
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Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 24, 2021, 06:53:06 PM
Guff, your dark-eyed seedling is spectacular.  Is it from your own seed?  Do you have any idea of the parentage?

Diane
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Guff on April 24, 2021, 07:20:02 PM
Diane , thanks. It's darker purple/black in person, than the  picture shows. Was very happy to finally see a flower from a cross I did.

I'm thinking Hendersonii x Revolutum or Oregonum or maybe White Beauty. Those are the only crosses I could have made at the time. Hendersonii was/is always the first to open here, so I would save the pollen and put into a cup to pollinate flowers as they opened.

Most don't grow well here. I lost my three Hendersonii plants that I have had for 10+ years  or so. Flowered every year with 3 plus flowers each, until last Spring. Lost two plants, then the last plant didn't show this Spring. Oregonum seems to be very happy here, clump gets bigger each year. White Beauty doesn't do well either. Suppose it could be my soil mix, they are planted in pure leaf compost. Probably dries out too much.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 24, 2021, 08:00:24 PM
I've made a couple of crosses using hendersonii this year.  I didn't get much pollen to use as a deer munched most of the flowers, but fortunately left a couple of buds.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Guff on April 24, 2021, 09:01:35 PM
Erythronium Hendersonii , picture is from a couple years ago. Has the same type of purple/black markings.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Gabriela on April 26, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
The yearly picture with E. americanum starting to flower in SW Ontario woods.

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Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Guff on April 26, 2021, 10:40:04 PM
Mystery seedling, suppose it could be Erythronium citrinum?
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Jeffnz on April 27, 2021, 01:33:53 AM
Seedlings offer a delightful surprise when flowering for the first time. 
Gabriela it must be great to walk through areas of naturally occurring ftits in the wild. Such an intense yellow, fields of daffodils?
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Maggi Young on April 27, 2021, 07:30:54 PM
Mystery seedling, suppose it could be Erythronium citrinum?
Possibly an E. helenae  x E. californicum   hybrid.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Yann on April 28, 2021, 07:16:01 AM
The yearly picture with E. americanum starting to flower in SW Ontario woods.

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This is looking good among leaves
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on April 28, 2021, 04:24:30 PM
Erythronium citrinum
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Post by: Leena on May 04, 2021, 05:20:05 PM
Erythronium 'Bryn Meifod' is looking good, and soon will flower. :)
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Tristan_He on May 04, 2021, 07:49:03 PM
Erythronium 'Bryn Meifod' is looking good, and soon will flower. :)

I think it likes its new home in Finland Leena!  :)
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Leena on May 05, 2021, 03:40:52 PM
 :) :)
I'm slowly getting a hang of where to plant Erythroniums, though in Ian's and Maggi's garden they grow everywhere!
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: johnw on May 06, 2021, 05:43:08 PM
When the late & great plantsman Alleyne Cook of N. Vancouver BC announced he had mailed a special selection for us we braced ourselves for its arrival.  One such plant was an Erythronium revolutum he thought special.  We agreed. He had the eye.  It seeds about and is one of our treasures.

johnw
8c and overcast after a night of heavy rain
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on May 06, 2021, 06:02:50 PM
When the late & great plantsman Alleyne Cook of N. Vancouver BC announced he had mailed a special selection for us we braced ourselves for its arrival.  One such plant was an Erythronium revolutum he thought special.  We agreed. He had the eye.  It seeds about and is one of our treasures.

johnw
8c and overcast after a night of heavy rain
John, indeed a real treasure, beautiful color of the flower and the leaves!
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: johnw on May 06, 2021, 06:34:55 PM
Herman - Thanks, it is a beauty.  To my horror I see the original slides say E. revoltum!  john
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Maggi Young on May 06, 2021, 06:49:13 PM
We miss Alleyne, thank goodness we still have  Barbara!
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: olegKon on May 14, 2021, 05:07:48 PM
Erythronium dens-canis moerheimii. This year with 3 flowers. Usually one, if any

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Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Leena on May 17, 2021, 09:37:13 AM
'Joanna' from Tristan is flowering well, and so pretty! Thank you! :)
The next two are grown from seed ex seeds and flowering now for the first time, I am thrilled with them.
The first one was sown in 2014 and labeled E.oregonum x citrinum
The second one was from 2016 and is either E.oregonum or E.oregonum leucandrum, it is my mixup.
It is a creamy yellow colour, and a bit smaller than the first one.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Herman Mylemans on May 17, 2021, 09:42:12 AM
'Joanna' from Tristan is flowering well, and so pretty! Thank you! :)
The next two are grown from seed ex seeds and flowering now for the first time, I am thrilled with them.
The first one was sown in 2014 and labeled E.oregonum x citrinum
The second one was from 2016 and is either E.oregonum or E.oregonum leucandrum, it is my mixup.
It is a creamy yellow colour, and a bit smaller than the first one.
Leena, white anthers means that it is Erythronium oregonum ssp leucandrum. 
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Leena on May 19, 2021, 08:44:51 PM
Thanks Herman  :). It is a very pretty Erythronium, and as I don't have many of them yet, I'm so pleased with these. :) Hopefully I get fresh seeds from it and will have more in time.
Title: Re: Erythronium 2021
Post by: Roma on May 21, 2021, 04:14:36 PM
My Erythronium revolutum did very poorly this year.  A hard frost at the wrong time damaged the flower stems which bent over and the flowers aborted.  A few which were not so far on did flower but I think the very dry weather earlier stunted their growth.

Flowering well now is Erythronium Kinfauns Pink'

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