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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Herman Mylemans on February 25, 2021, 06:37:19 PM
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After the snow was gone Erythronium caucasicum appeared very quickly (16/02/2021). Next picture 3 days later.
Finally on 23/02/2021 it was in full bloom.
Today Erythronium dens-canis ssp. niveum also starts to flower. So the Erythronium season has started here.
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Here in my garden Erythronium multiscapoideum is alway the very first, starting to appear more or less on first of Febr with stunning leaves. The flowers though will start to bloom much later, even later as the first dens canis that started flowering 3 days ago.
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Erythronium albidum
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This Erythronium had the wrong name. What can it be? Maybe Erythronium helenae?
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I don't think it is E. helenae from what I can see more like a form or hybrid of E. oregonum.
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I don't think it is E. helenae from what I can see more like a form or hybrid of E. oregonum.
Thank you Ian, I will change the name in E. oregonum.
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Ian, I took today a new picture of the inner side of the flower, the style is not straight. Isn't that something for E. helenae? The seed of this plant is collected in the wild.
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Oh yes, we can see the bent style in the new photos, Herman - which does speak to E. helanae. The style seemed straight in the first photos.
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Oh yes, we can see the bent style in the new photos, Herman - which does speak to E. helanae. The style seemed straight in the first photos.
Thank you Maggi.
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Thanks for the extra pictures despite the bend in the style I still think it to be a form or hybrid of E. oregonum I can see the filaments in the latest pictures that are not at all like those of E. helenae but are typical for oregonum.
The bend in the style may have been caused by damage you will need to inspect other flowers if it is consistent then it could indicate hybridisation between these two species is possible.
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Herman Check out the pictures in the chapter on E. helenae in my book the link to the bulb log with that chapter is below.
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Thanks for the extra pictures despite the bend in the style I still think it to be a form or hybrid of E. oregonum I can see the filaments in the latest pictures that are not at all like those of E. helenae but are typical for oregonum.
The bend in the style may have been caused by damage you will need to inspect other flowers if it is consistent then it could indicate hybridisation between these two species is possible.
Ian, it is the only flower for this year. I have E. oregonum on another place in the garden but they are not flowering yet. From the past pictures of E. oregonum, I know that they look different from this plant. I have also asked at Luc Scheldeman from who I have got this plant. His plants, from the same seedpacket, are named E. oregonum. I have also asked him to look if the style in his plants are bended or straight. I am still waiting for his answer.
Ian, I read your very good E-book regularly, there I saw the bent style for E. helenae.
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Speaking of Erythronium helenae - the species has a fairly narrow range in the coastal mountains north of San Francisco, and much of the species' habitat burned in wildfires in 2020. Now that spring has arrived, the populations of E. helenae are blooming in profusion. This is actually a common post-wildfire response in Erythronium. You can see photos people have posted on iNaturalist at this link: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&subview=grid&taxon_id=59445. I don't believe you need to be logged in to view the photos. The large yellow "egg-yolk" in the center of the flower, the yellow anthers with terete filaments, and bent styles are the features that, taken together, distinguish E. helenae (and the related recently described species, E. shastense from north of Redding).
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These lovely photos are by Nickolay Stepanov , taken from Facebook
Erythronium sajanense - typical color and size and in habitat
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Mass flowering Eryhthronium sajanense in nature (Western Sayan, valley) Массовое цветение Eryhthronium sajanense в природе (Западный Саян, долина р. Ус).
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That's pretty impressive Maggi. I was thinking I hadn't seen that part of the garden in the Bulblog before...
E. sajanense is a new one on me, is it newly described?
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That's pretty impressive Maggi. I was thinking I hadn't seen that part of the garden in the Bulblog before...
E. sajanense is a new one on me, is it newly described?
If only we had land like that, Tristan! Ian would be ecstatic! The species was described in 2011 :
Erythronium sajanense Stepanov & Stassova, Vestn. Krasnoyarsk. Gosud. Agrar. Univ. 8: 60 (2011), the same year as Erythronium krylovii Stepanov, Vestn. Krasnoyarsk. Gosud. Agrar. Univ. 8: 62 (2011).
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Erythronium californicum
Erythronium hendersonii
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Erythronium multiscapoideum var. cliftonii
Erythronium grandiflorum var. pallidum
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Erythronium umbilicatum
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Erythronium dens-canis surprised me with a bloom. It is unpredictable in my garden.
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Erythronium americanum outdid itself this year.
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Erythronium albidum spreads a little farther each year.
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My tags are confused, and so am I. I'm not sure if this is Erythronium citrinum, californicum, or some other. Regardless, the foliage and flowers are nice.
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I think this is Erythronium californicum.
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Erythronium hendersonii
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This one came as E. hendersonii hybrid from Pitcairn. It seems very similar to the species except that it bulks up a bit.
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Emerging leaves of (I think) E. californicum.
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Nice marbling in this hybrid too. Erythronium leaves tend to get overlooked a bit because of the beauty of the flowers, but the best ones are exceptional.
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My tags are confused, and so am I. I'm not sure if this is Erythronium citrinum, californicum, or some other. Regardless, the foliage and flowers are nice.
It is not easy to ID a plant from a picture but from the parts of the flower I can see I would favour this being E. citrinum although I cannot rule out californicum.
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Thanks for looking, Ian. I took another photo, looking up into the open flowers. Maybe this will be definitive? If not, it's still a lovely plant. :)
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Erythronium revolutum. This is a good deep colour form that was sent to me by a friend in the US many years ago. Unfortunately something ate through the main clump a couple of years ago (I suspect a vole), but I had seedlings coming on and it has also self-seeded quite freely. These are in too sunny a location really, the flowers don't last long. I have donated seed of this to the Exchange as var. Johnsonii for a number of years.
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Our Erythronium revolutum grow in wet areas along streams.
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Thanks Diane, I'll try some in a damper spot then. This area does dry out quite easily.
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Erythronium
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Erythronium
Beautiful Erythroniums Guff!
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Herman, thanks
This one must be Purple King, the other two pinks in my last post must be Frans Hals. Thought I was taking pictures of two different plants.
Last picture, unknown as of yet. Years ago I purchased seed of the more rare species Erythronium. This will be my first from seed to flower.
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This photo of a spectacular colour of E. sibericum is from Dimitri Zubov :o 8)
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Erythronium sibiricum TAIGA
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Erythronium
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Great Erythronium's!
Erythronium oregonum ssp leucandrum
Erythronium citrinum ssp. citrinum
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Erythronium tuolumnense
Erythronium howellii
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It's more or less peak Erythronium season here:
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'Kinfauns Sunrise' is a Pitcairn Nursery hybrid.
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'Joanna' is super and very vigorous.
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'Sundisc' is the good-looking sibling of the better-known 'Pagoda'. The flowers are brighter yellow and the leaves better marked, so it is well worth seeking out.
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E. hendersonii is still in flower, though looking a bit battered now. We had some windy conditions but I think we avoided the worst of the weather that hit Ian in Scotland.
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'Kinfauns Pink', another Pitcairn hybrid. This is a bit pale for my taste if I'm honest.
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Now here are a few Erythroniums from Aberconwy Nursery. They have been breeding quite a few of late:
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'Bryn Meifod'.
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Aberconwy Chocolate group
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Aberconwy Marbled group
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A selection from the Aberconwy Marbled group, as yet un-named, with particularly good leaves.
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Nice selection Tristan. Shows the difference a couple of hundred miles makes, mine are just about going over now. I haven't been able to posted any pictures of this years crop.
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Over 30 flowers/buds in this small patch.
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Nice selection Tristan. Shows the difference a couple of hundred miles makes, mine are just about going over now. I haven't been able to posted any pictures of this years crop.
Thanks David.
My mother lives in Devon and she is always a good 2-3 weeks ahead of us too. I love to visit the collection at Garden House when I get the chance. Think I may also try to extend the season by planting some bulbs in shadier spots.
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Every year I make crosses, with different Erythronium that are open at the time.
First seedling to flower. Thinking Hendersonii x Revolutum or Oregonum?
Suppose to be in mid 20's Wed night, maybe later in the week it will open all the way.
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Tristan and Guff, really beautiful clumps of Erythroniums!
Here they are now peaking from the ground,also the ones planted last summer are coming up well:), and I see also first buds in two plants sown in 2015.
This year I think there will be more of my own fresh seeds to sow for the future.
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Erythronium seedling
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Erythronium
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Guff, your dark-eyed seedling is spectacular. Is it from your own seed? Do you have any idea of the parentage?
Diane
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Diane , thanks. It's darker purple/black in person, than the picture shows. Was very happy to finally see a flower from a cross I did.
I'm thinking Hendersonii x Revolutum or Oregonum or maybe White Beauty. Those are the only crosses I could have made at the time. Hendersonii was/is always the first to open here, so I would save the pollen and put into a cup to pollinate flowers as they opened.
Most don't grow well here. I lost my three Hendersonii plants that I have had for 10+ years or so. Flowered every year with 3 plus flowers each, until last Spring. Lost two plants, then the last plant didn't show this Spring. Oregonum seems to be very happy here, clump gets bigger each year. White Beauty doesn't do well either. Suppose it could be my soil mix, they are planted in pure leaf compost. Probably dries out too much.
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I've made a couple of crosses using hendersonii this year. I didn't get much pollen to use as a deer munched most of the flowers, but fortunately left a couple of buds.
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Erythronium Hendersonii , picture is from a couple years ago. Has the same type of purple/black markings.
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The yearly picture with E. americanum starting to flower in SW Ontario woods.
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Mystery seedling, suppose it could be Erythronium citrinum?
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Seedlings offer a delightful surprise when flowering for the first time.
Gabriela it must be great to walk through areas of naturally occurring ftits in the wild. Such an intense yellow, fields of daffodils?
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Mystery seedling, suppose it could be Erythronium citrinum?
Possibly an E. helenae x E. californicum hybrid.
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The yearly picture with E. americanum starting to flower in SW Ontario woods.
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This is looking good among leaves
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Erythronium citrinum
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Erythronium 'Bryn Meifod' is looking good, and soon will flower. :)
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Erythronium 'Bryn Meifod' is looking good, and soon will flower. :)
I think it likes its new home in Finland Leena! :)
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:) :)
I'm slowly getting a hang of where to plant Erythroniums, though in Ian's and Maggi's garden they grow everywhere!
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When the late & great plantsman Alleyne Cook of N. Vancouver BC announced he had mailed a special selection for us we braced ourselves for its arrival. One such plant was an Erythronium revolutum he thought special. We agreed. He had the eye. It seeds about and is one of our treasures.
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When the late & great plantsman Alleyne Cook of N. Vancouver BC announced he had mailed a special selection for us we braced ourselves for its arrival. One such plant was an Erythronium revolutum he thought special. We agreed. He had the eye. It seeds about and is one of our treasures.
johnw
8c and overcast after a night of heavy rain
John, indeed a real treasure, beautiful color of the flower and the leaves!
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Herman - Thanks, it is a beauty. To my horror I see the original slides say E. revoltum! john
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We miss Alleyne, thank goodness we still have Barbara!
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Erythronium dens-canis moerheimii. This year with 3 flowers. Usually one, if any
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'Joanna' from Tristan is flowering well, and so pretty! Thank you! :)
The next two are grown from seed ex seeds and flowering now for the first time, I am thrilled with them.
The first one was sown in 2014 and labeled E.oregonum x citrinum
The second one was from 2016 and is either E.oregonum or E.oregonum leucandrum, it is my mixup.
It is a creamy yellow colour, and a bit smaller than the first one.
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'Joanna' from Tristan is flowering well, and so pretty! Thank you! :)
The next two are grown from seed ex seeds and flowering now for the first time, I am thrilled with them.
The first one was sown in 2014 and labeled E.oregonum x citrinum
The second one was from 2016 and is either E.oregonum or E.oregonum leucandrum, it is my mixup.
It is a creamy yellow colour, and a bit smaller than the first one.
Leena, white anthers means that it is Erythronium oregonum ssp leucandrum.
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Thanks Herman :). It is a very pretty Erythronium, and as I don't have many of them yet, I'm so pleased with these. :) Hopefully I get fresh seeds from it and will have more in time.
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My Erythronium revolutum did very poorly this year. A hard frost at the wrong time damaged the flower stems which bent over and the flowers aborted. A few which were not so far on did flower but I think the very dry weather earlier stunted their growth.
Flowering well now is Erythronium Kinfauns Pink'