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Specific Families and Genera => Primula => Topic started by: David Nicholson on February 07, 2008, 05:18:44 PM
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Here are the first two Primula hybrids to flower in the greenhouse this year. A little earlier than I wanted but welcome all the same.
Primula 'Lindum Moonlight' and P. 'Wharfedale Superb'
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Very pretty, David :)
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I love Lindum Moonlight David - very delicate colours !
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Thanks both. Lindum Moonlight is a smasher Luc. It was bred in Lincoln and there are a whole series of hybrids under the 'Lindum' banner which always do well in Primula Shows. Many of them are much sought after by the good Primula growers and they are very hard to get hold of.
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David, is this Lindum stable more connected to the Primula world than the AGS/SRGC world ? I can't say I recognise it , though that may because I'm getting dimmer by the day but I wondered if it was a breeder more from the primula/auricula societies than the alpine ones? Super cheery plants.
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When you take pics in pots like that, do you put some sort of backing behind them David? They have turned out really well.
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He's not here, Chris, I bet he's gone to the pub for a pint. :D
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This Lindum Moonlight is so clear, beautiful!
I've tried several Wharfedale Types, but the ones I had where always a bit wishywashy in their colour.
Luit
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Some vulgaris in various colour forms plus a natural hybrid between vulgaris yellow and ssp sibthorpii in mauve. It produces different coloured flowers on the same plant
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Tony,
beautiful forms of P.vulgaris and ssp. sibthorpii.
Mine are not yet open in the garden.
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Armin it is difficult to believe but they are in flower for 10 months of the year.We are very wet and they self seed all over the garden.
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Beautiful Primulas Tony!!
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Tony,
amazing long flowering period. I have P.vulgaris, P.elatior & P.veris in my garden.
Some selfseeded hybrids between vulgaris and/or elatior/veris show flower as early as December and have a prolonged flowering season too.
Last year surprisingly a hybrid showed single stems with single flower (like vulgaris) and single stem with multiple flowers (like elatior/veris) together. Will observe if this happens this year again.
But usual vulgaris is the first (E/Jan) in flower, followed by elatior (March/April) and then veris (April).
I have also a seedling which resembles strongly like a pale violet P. vulgaris ssp. sibthorpii but have no explanation for that.
Likely it has been pollinated by bees carring pollen from other garden hybrids.
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Armin my sibthorpii come from sea level about 100 miles east of Istanbul. They were growing in millions as the dominant plant under what I think may have been hazel bushes and were in flower in March. The hybrids were collected in may at about 2000 metres near Samsun in Eastern Turkey. They were growing with galanthus rhizahensis.
I also have elatior/veris but do not expect these to flower until late April
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Tony,
the combination of hazel bushes, primula vulgaris and wet soil conditions in spring seem to be a favourable for good growth.
I saw similar in the Swiss near Montreux some years ago.
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He's not here, Chris, I bet he's gone to the pub for a pint. :D
You were spot on Maggi!
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When you take pics in pots like that, do you put some sort of backing behind them David? They have turned out really well.
Hi Chris, this is an idea picked up from our own BD. Ian uses a grey sheet of some kind, I use a piece of the kind of board that watercolourists use to paint on covered with a couple of coats of light grey emulsion paint (I found an Art shop that was closing down and got my board for 50p!) I find it is large enough for my needs and I can put it in the greenhouse (or take it out again) whenever I need it. Many Forumists use a backing of some kind.
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David, is this Lindum stable more connected to the Primula world than the AGS/SRGC world ? I can't say I recognise it , though that may because I'm getting dimmer by the day but I wondered if it was a breeder more from the primula/auricula societies than the alpine ones? Super cheery plants.
Possibly Maggi. The breeder is Dreena Thompson and she has bred some super plants. I would be surprised though if there were not some 'Lindum' plants at the Loughborough AGS Show on March 8th (maybe our Midlands based Forum members go to this Show?). By degrees some of the plants are being released to Nurseries and they are gradually coming more available.
I have some pictures, somewhere!!, of some Lindum plants and when I find them I will post them.
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Couldn't find them-of course! But have a look at this Site compiled by Viv and Henry Pugh as there are Lindum plants to be seen. Henry is an 'ace' Auricula grower and Viv is one of the best Primula growers around and they are based in the Midlands, Viv probably grew some of the Lindum plants pictured.
http://www.users.totalise.co.uk/~viv.pugh/european_primulas.html
new link: http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/galleries/index.html (http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/galleries/index.html)
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Re.the Lindum primulas,I was at the Loughborough Show today(who could resist it?) and the breeders Dreena Thompson and her husband were there with a stall selling quite a few of their Lindum series and creating quite a bit of interest.They had some very nice plants to show but unfortuneately most of them were not available to buy at this time.I did buy Lindum Cameo.
To answer Maggie's question about the background of the breeders,they are very much avid AGS members and showers and whilst I do not know them personally I have seen them at the shows for the lasy twenty years at least and I have friends who are very close to them.Having said that I was'nt aware of the Lindum series until David mentioned it a few posts ago.Having seen at least twenty varieties today I now know why they are sought after.As always,if you can't have it you want it.Incidentally LINDUM is the old name for Lincoln.
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This is all most interesting, about Mr and Mrs Thompson. I had a feeling that such lovely primulas would have an AGS connection somewhere along the line. There's often a clue, eh? It was just that the Lindum name was new to me too, so that raised the curiosity level! Glad you had a good day at Loughborough, John... at least you SAW the varieties!!
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I agree with you that the Lindum brand is excellent. We first met Dreena and her husband through NAPS (National Auricula and Primula Society) and they are a very friendly and knowledgeable group. However the Primulas tend to take second place to the Auriculas (Show Auriculas), but I can certainly recommend their Shows if you get the chance to see one, you get excellent cakes ;D
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In spite of the colder weather but with a lot of sun my Primula seedlings (1 year old and very tiny) show flowers.
Hans
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Hans,
the reason of early flower setting is certainly your seedlings want to thank you for all the care! ;D
Please post them again when open!
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Are they your own crosses Hans, or did the bees do the work?
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I let work the bees, have own crosses and grow Pimulas from wild collected seed too. But the best hybrids are the work of the bees or other insects.
Hans
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Two from the greenhouse today. The first is Primula allionii 'Crowsley Variety' (sometimes seen as 'Crowsley's or Crowslie's), and the second is P. 'Lindum Moonlight' looking more floriferous than it did when I first posted it on 7 February.
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David, lovely colored flowers. Are they scented?
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Armin, I cannot detect a scent but I do have a cold at the moment!
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For me one of the most beautiful Primulas in my garden, grown from wild collected seed. I never before have seen such a Double Primula in the nature.
Hans
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Hans, that really is a stunner, I too have never heard before of a double Primula villosa. Were there other Primulas in the vicinity when you collected the seeds?
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David, I have only seen a lot of villosa, some glutinosa and minima and one rock with P. clusiana (Tauern, 2000m). But there is no lime! I think Primula auricula and clusiana are growing at the other side (northern) of the wide valley. But I have seen such plants in Ralf Würdig's collection too, who only grew true plants (cuttings or from wild collected seed).
Hans
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Another little Primula from the greenhouse today-Primula Wharfedale Ling. There is an Auricula with the suffix 'Ling' that got its name by mistake in a nursery, the original grower had labelled it 'Seedling' but the label got broken and all that could be seen was 'Ling'-or so the story goes. Wonder if the same happened with this one?
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It's a very delicate little cutie David - beautiful !
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Primula allionii Elizabeth Earle and Primula marginata from today
Gerd
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Another little Primula from the greenhouse today-Primula Wharfedale Ling. There is an Auricula with the suffix 'Ling' that got its name by mistake in a nursery, the original grower had labelled it 'Seedling' but the label got broken and all that could be seen was 'Ling'-or so the story goes. Wonder if the same happened with this one?
David, this remembers me of better times when I was using my glasshouses for alpines.
In the old forum it flowered with me on 23rd ? March 2005
I found this one of the best Wharfedale I had seen.
Here is the picture.
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Gerd: is the P. marginata a named form please?
Luit: yes Wharfedale Ling is a good little plant. I have a bigger one (though not as big as your plant) but not as far advanced as the smaller one.
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Luit: yes Wharfedale Ling is a good little plant. I have a bigger one (though not as big as your plant) but not as far advanced as the smaller one.
I'm afraid, you have more than I, David. :( :(
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Gerd: is the P. marginata a named form please?
David,
No, it isn't - just marginata.
Gerd
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One from the greenhouse today-Primula 'Clarence Elliott'
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Clerence seeming more blue than Clarence? ??? ;D ;D
Although still one of the best for me! Nice plants David.
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Clerence seeming more blue than Clarence? ??? ;D ;D
Although still one of the best for me! Nice plants David.
Fingers were moving faster than brain Luit ;D It does look bluer doesn't it but I used a different camera setting for each picture so that must have done it.
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I find that often a slight difference in angle of shot etc can give a different automatic setting result on the camera.... almost identical pictures can vary decidedly in colour, particularly with blue/purples. I always take a few shots of anything to help compensate for this, as it never shows up as clearly on the LCD on the camera as it does on the PC.
And a lovely Primula by the way!!
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So many on that Primula web site I would love to have
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Nothing really spectacular, just accompanying my crocus blossom - primula vulgaris in my lawn.
I like this early, pale yellow, late winter/spring flower.
Spreading easily through seed and with the help of ants.
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Nothing really spectacular, just accompanying my crocus blossom - primula vulgaris in my lawn.
I like this early, pale yellow, late winter/spring flower.
Spreading easily through seed and with the help of ants.
Armin, is this Primula vulgaris of a known wild origin? I never saw such pale plants in the Alps for instance.
Gerd
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Armin, how do you get on for mowing the lawn, with primroses growing in it. No problem for crocuses once they start to die down but the prims will be making new leaves through the late spring and summer. Do you shear them off?
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Hi Gerd,
the primula pictures were taken in full sun. My digicam is not the best in color re-production.
I purchased them from a nursery.
I've seen wild populations in Swiss close to Le Mont sur Lausanne and another close to Garmisch Partenkirchen which look exactly the same when comparing.
Hi Lesley,
I mow my lawn not before eof May, after crocus got dormant, right. I shear the grass not shorter than 7cm (2.75in.). This saves most of the primulas leaves being cut-off and they quickly recover.
The seed vessels lie already down on the soil and are not cut-off. Ants help to distribute the seed then.
That works quite well!
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Thank you Armin. I'm not sure we could get away with May mowing here. Most mowing starts in (the southern equivilent of) March or even as early as February. Some areas around the town which have daffodils planted are left until (t s e o) late April.
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Lesley,
I see. My timings refer to the northern hemisphere only.
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Here are two pics of my favorite Primula species
1. Primula marginata 'Casterino' found by Bernd Wetzel - which is reputed to be one of the best whites
2. marginatas in a trough
Gerd
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Here are two pics of my favorite Primula species
1. Primula marginata 'Casterino' found by Bernd Wetzel - which is reputed to be one of the best whites
That is a beauty, Gerd! Never seen before.
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Luit,
I got it about two years ago from Harry Jans of Loenen. He conserved this clone while it was lost here in Bernd Wetzel's garden after he passed away.
Gerd
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A few Primula from the greenhouse today:-
The first-P. allionii 'Nightingale'
Followed by P. pubescens 'Peggy'
and then a couple of shots of P. marginata 'Caerulea'
and two more of P. marginata 'Beverley Reid'
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.... and a few more:-
a couple of shots of Primula marginata 'Dwarf Form'
Primula 'Mars'- (not as good as the Blackpool plant Mick!)
P. 'Aire Waves'
Then a couple of P. 'Blue Wave' that in Primula Shows is sometimes shown as a Primula pubescens and sometimes as a Border Auricula.
and finally a couple of shots of a yellow Juliana-possibly a cross between Primula juliae and Primula vulgaris.
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Excellent pics David. 8)
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Here are two pics of my favorite Primula species
1. Primula marginata 'Casterino' found by Bernd Wetzel - which is reputed to be one of the best whites
2. marginatas in a trough
Gerd
Gerd, if ever you have an offset of your P. marginata 'Casterino' and you don't know what to do it, I could find a home for it! ;D
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Excellent pics David. 8)
Thank you Paul.
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Nice pics David thanks for sharing
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Wonderful foliage on the P. m. `Caerulea' David. You wouldn't want to sneeze near it ;D
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Here are two pics of my favorite Primula species
1. Primula marginata 'Casterino' found by Bernd Wetzel - which is reputed to be one of the best whites
2. marginatas in a trough
Gerd
Gerd, if ever you have an offset of your P. marginata 'Casterino' and you don't know what to do it, I could find a home for it! ;D
David, what's about this: an offset of 'Casterino' asap for one of your most beautiful 'Caerulea'?
Because my plant is still very small I have to force its growth a little bit before taking cuttings.
Gerd
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Gerd, I will PM you later.
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Nice show David - your greenhouse must look quite lively at the moment !
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Nice show David - your greenhouse must look quite lively at the moment !
It is looking quite good Luc, but the Auriculas don't look as good as they did at this time last year, maybe I have neglected them a bit. Time will tell!
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One of my Allionii Broadwell No:1 and the first of my seedlings to flower not quite as double as I would have liked but a nice colour.
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Nice Primula allionii 'Broadwell No. 1 Derek, I haven't seen one of those for a while. Double worth keeping too.
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Snow and cold weather with the first Primula allionii (all are wild forms) and allionii x auricula
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Lovely range of colours there Hans, they really are great little plants.
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David,
I got a P. marginata 'Alba' last year from Ryal (Ruth now has the National Collection). Foliage looks superb, but no flowers coming as yet. Will it be anything like Casterino? Just wondering.....
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Ruth..... Ryal.....?? Ruth Rymer, from Ryal? By jove, you learn something new every day. Nobody ever tells me anything! ;)
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David,
I got a P. marginata 'Alba' last year from Ryal (Ruth now has the National Collection). Foliage looks superb, but no flowers coming as yet. Will it be anything like Casterino? Just wondering.....
Any chance of a picture Chris, I haven't heard of P. marginata Alba. Are it's leaves very toothy and covered in meal?
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Any chance of a picture Chris, I haven't heard of P. marginata Alba. Are it's leaves very toothy and covered in meal?
Fancy that, Diane has just posted a photo of a white P. marginata in the AGS Cleveland Show thread! 8)See here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1550.new;topicseen#new
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Maggi - Sorry. Its Ruth Hadden from Ryal Nursery, I should have explained myself better
David - I'll take a photo of the plant as it is tomorrow. I think it has some toothing on the foliage, but I'll check again.
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Yes, I saw Diane's pic of Primula marginata Alba at the Cleveland Show. As I said it does seem to be un-common (well to me anyway!) although there are umpteen hybrids with marginata in the 'mix'. Be nice to see your picture though Chris.
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Hi David, well, I got as good a picture as I could today in the greenhouse, which, as you know, is now in deep shade from the fallen tree limb.... first Primula marginata 'Alba' - as I said, it has not flowers as yet, but today when I inspected more closely, saw a flower raceme forming so I will have eventually, and will post for you later. Second, P. 'Clarence Elliott'. Both plants were obtained last autumn, so I am quite pleased to have any flowers at all!
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a few in flower today.
Primula Rhenaniana
Primula Carniolica
Primula joan hughes
Primula Hiland twilight x Warfdale village- seedling
Primula hyb own seedling 003
Primula marginata seedling 001
Primula own seedling,002 I think I posted this before,but here it is again.
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Nice Michael, I had heard of Primula Rhenaniana before but had never seen it. I can't grow a good P. carniolica to save my life.
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Hi David, well, I got as good a picture as I could today in the greenhouse, which, as you know, is now in deep shade from the fallen tree limb.... first Primula marginata 'Alba' - as I said, it has not flowers as yet, but today when I inspected more closely, saw a flower raceme forming so I will have eventually, and will post for you later. Second, P. 'Clarence Elliott'. Both plants were obtained last autumn, so I am quite pleased to have any flowers at all!
Glad to see you are becoming a Primula addict Chris! Your P. m. Alba looks a very nice plant, I was thinking before I saw it that perhaps it was a hybrid but that is definitely marginata. Clarence Elliott is a little gem.
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Great Primula's everyone ! Thanks for showing !
Michael, that own seedling 002 looks perfect !!!
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Dear friends,
Primula marginata Alba is another plant. I am sorry to diasappoint you Chris, but the cultivar Alba is mostly a rather dirty white-fading to pink :(.
P. marginata ´Casterino´ is as far as I know the only pure white form. It is easily recognizable by the long lanceolate leafform. It is very slow growing and needs to been grown rather dry. The best one I have is in full sun between tufa.
Greetz, Martijn
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Martijn, I think there is more than one clone around from what I have read. John Richard's in 'Primula' says 'There is also a poor whitish form' but in 'Primulas' Mary Robinson says '.....better forms do exist, one of which has very distinct pale green leaves and much whiter flowers....'
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I'll let you know how it looks when it flowers anyway - the specimen shown recently was very nice, not at all poor in flower colour or form, so we'll see. I'm an optimist.....
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Glorious pics Michael. Just glorious!! Your seedling 002 is amazing.
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Thanks Paul, I have a few more from the same seed pod.
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Michael,
are you sure that you have a true P. carniolica?
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are you sure that you have a true P. carniolica?
Just checked John Richards (Primula) and my plant does not quite fit the description, the flower should be pink with a ring of meal and pale green hooded leaves and a 25cm flower stem.
Should have checked it before I posted. It is the Alzheimers again I suppose. ;D
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A few from my greenhouse today:-
Primula Helen Evans x 2
Primula Lismore Pink Ice x2
Primula Broadwell Oliver x 1 This should really have been a much bigger plant this year, but I dropped the pot when re-potting it last May and it broke into several small pieces.
Primula Broadwell Violet x 2
Two pictures of my first Auricula of the year, the Red Self-Scorcher. I'm a bit worried though, the foliage is a very light green and much lighter than I remember it last year ???
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Maybe light levels aren't high enough?
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Maybe light levels aren't high enough?
Light has been difficult to come by over the last couple of weeks, but I was thinking the 'V' word Lesley?
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Mmmm maybe, but I'd be inclined to think not. In my experience, primulas of the auricula group with a virus tend to have streaky or speckled leaves rather than the gradual yellowing towards the edges and between the veins, in yours. It almost looks like a lack of some trace element. Incidentally I have a glorious auricula called `Clifton Blue' which starts a thundercloud colour but ages to a soft almost sky blue and which does have the streaky leaves, though not heavily streaky if you know what I mean. I assume it is a virus but it's always been there and the plants remain very vigorous and free-flowering in the garden, and if it IS a virus, it has never spread to other auriculas.
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I'm a bit worried though, the foliage is a very light green and much lighter than I remember it last year ???
David, I'm more thinking of the 'N' word.
There might be some lack of nutrients (iron or even sulphate).
Otherwise the yellowing of leaves could be caused by an excess of lime.
Having less light this winter would mean watering less and your soil mix
will be the same as always I presume. Normally by watering you will wash
out the excess of lime.
Winters like this year are very difficult for alpines under glass.
It is difficult to explain, but it's mostly the combination of shortage of one thing and
an excess of something else.
Regarding using of nutrients for most alpines comparing with N.P.K., I would
mostly go for low N. middle P. and higher K.
I hope this is a bit helpfull to you. You do have a very nice collection!
Good luck.
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Sounds like a very good theory Luit quite enlightening - not only to David !
Thank you !
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Luit, you may well have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Last year when I re-potted my Auriculas I had just manged to obtain a supply of Dolomite Lime, after searching for it for a couple of years, and some of it went into each bucket of my compost mix. Perhaps I overdid it. Tomorrow I shall inspect all my Auriculas and see if others have very light green leaves. Thanks for your help.
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Luit, you may well have hit the proverbial nail on the head
David, Luit has not been nicknamed the "Dutch Master" for nothing, you know! 8) .....often a clue ;)
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are you sure that you have a true P. carniolica?
Just checked John Richards (Primula) and my plant does not quite fit the description, the flower should be pink with a ring of meal and pale green hooded leaves and a 25cm flower stem.
Should have checked it before I posted. It is the Alzheimers again I suppose. ;D
Michael, I had a quick look at my, pretty poor-only one flower, Primula carniolica earlier this evening and I can't remember seeing a ring of meal. I will try to get a picture tomorrow to compare with your plant. I bought mine a couple of years ago from a specialist Primula nursery and I would expect it to be the real thing. I'm not sure what John Richards means by 'hooded leaves'?
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Luit, you may well have hit the proverbial nail on the head
David, Luit has not been nicknamed the "Dutch Master" for nothing, you know! 8) .....often a clue ;)
Had I Luit's experience and knowledge I would be a very happy man. When I have my lottery money Luit (see Eureka thread under Growing from Seed) I shall invite you over, full expenses paid, to act as my Advisor in Chief. ;)
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David,John Richards does not have a pic but if you google it you will see some pics. I am confused ,but then that is not difficult to do.
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A photo of a primula which is very widely known and grown and sometimes treated with a snobbish disdain for that reason, but I regard Primula denticulata as one of the very best garden primulas and when it is looking so neat and fresh, flowers opening even as the scape is emerging from the rosette of leaves like this, it is a real delight.
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I absolutely agree Maggi. There are few better or more reliable plants for early to mid spring colour in a coolish place. The white form is especially nice and I even like the magenta shades if they're planted with something blue like hepaticas or Anemone nemorosa. Your deep blue is a stunner and I love the soft blues too.
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Luit, you may well have hit the proverbial nail on the head
David, Luit has not been nicknamed the "Dutch Master" for nothing, you know! 8) .....often a clue ;)
Had I Luit's experience and knowledge I would be a very happy man. When I have my lottery money Luit (see Eureka thread under Growing from Seed) I shall invite you over, full expenses paid, to act as my Advisor in Chief. ;)
David I cannot wait! I really do hope your seeds will soon change into lots of money! :D :D ;)
David, Luit has not been nicknamed the "Dutch Master" for nothing, you know! .....often a clue
Maggi, and ofcourse Luc and David, thanks for the flowers.
Dutch Master 8) 8) ;D
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A few from the greenhouse today:-
The first two are a Primula marginata I bought as a rooted offset three years ago and have grown it on and split it and now have two plants. When I bought it I was assured that it was taken from a species plant but it has never showed any meal on the leaves. Bit disappointing really because I would have liked to have put it in a Show with a view to giving it a name (provided it got a card!) but I am by no means certain whether it would go in the species class or the hybrid class. Any views?
The next three are a Blue Cowichan and a couple of a Yellow Cowichan grown from Barnhaven seed. Yes, I do grow them in the garden Lesley but I always like to pot a couple of plants for the greenhouse as well.
The next two are of a little allionii I bought last year as a rooted offset and is flowering for the first time Primula allionii Sapphire (maybe that's a hybrid as well?)
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The earliest of the Auriculas to flower are always the Alpines, here are some from the greenhouse today:-
The first two are of an Alpine Gold Centre seedling from home collected seed under my code 2.1 maybe I think it's better than it really is-I should put it to the test!
The next two are of an Alpine Light Centre Ian Greville. This is usually a prize winner (not in my hands I might add!) and has a lovely form.
The next two are of another of my seedlings, a Gold Centred Alpine under my code 09/04/10, again I think it has possibilities.
The last two are of another Alpine Gold Centre, Ancient Society, raised in 1991 by Ken Bowser as a Sirius X Snooty Fox 2 cross, and named in honour of The Ancient Society of York Florists, said to be the world's oldest gardening club dating back to 1768.
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Great plants and pix David ! :o
I particularly like the blue Cowichan - almost gentian blue 8)
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The first alpine Primulas (grown from seed, true and hybrids)
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P. marginata, hirsuta hybrid and clusiana
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David and Hans, great to see these beautiful Primula's.
Thank you for sharing them.
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Great plants and pics from everyone. Such cheerful little bunches, aren't they?
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In one of my troughs I have lots of Primula warschenewskiana that have made a great come back after almost being wiped out by vine weevils. There is a show this Saturday. Can I lift them for it without harming them?
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Such lovely Primula pics. Those of you with your own seedlings must be pretty proud of them. David, I particularly love your second seedling of your own..... the one that looks like it opens with a red edge then darkens. Beautiful flower!!
Thanks for the pics everyone!! Beautiful!! 8)
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Here's an Irish bred Primrose 'Dark Rosaline'. Sorry about the out of focus flowers. I'll take a new shot later this week
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Mark, I would not be inclined to lift that Primula warschenewskiana from a trough for the show.
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Here's an Irish bred Primrose 'Dark Rosaline'. Sorry about the out of focus flowers. I'll take a new shot later this week
Is it a Hose-in-Hose? Pity about the stripes though! ;D
Don't lift the plant from the trough, you'll loose it.
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David,
I don't think it is a hose-in-hose, just has overlapping petals. At first glance it looks like it though. I adore hose-in-hose Primulas, but have only ever seen one available here in Aus called 'Garryard's Variety' which I love.
The cool February brought a lot of Primulas out of their "dormancy" way ahead of usual, then the couple of weeks of above 30'C in the beginning of March has damaged some of them very badly. I know I've lost seedlings (mature size, not young ones) I had from my cross of 'Garryard's Variety' with P. x juliae (or is it x juliana, I never can recall) that had been doing fine through summer up until then. Every pot has had the plant virtually melt in it and there's nothing left. most disappointing as I was looking forward to seeing more of them flowering and hopefully crossing amongst the seedlings. Oh well, will attempt the cross again this year if the parents are still alive. A lot of things are VERY disturbed this year because of the strange weather.
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The first alpine Primulas (grown from seed, true and hybrids)
A lovely selection of Primulas Hans.
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In 2006 I collected open pollinated seed from my Primula Blue Wave and here is the first seedling to flower. Blue Wave is something of an 'oddball' in that in Primula circles it is sometimes shown as a Primula pubescens and sometimes as a Border Auricula.
First couple of pictures are of Primula Blue Wave (I posted these last week) followed by a couple of the seedling. I'm not too impressed by the flower, bit muddy in colour and a very hexagonal centre, but I'll see what it looks like next year.
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I like it, David.... is a hexagonal centre considered a fault?
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Well, it is in Auriculas, the eye is supposed to be perfectly round. As I'm not attemting to pass this off as an Auricula don't suppose it matters a lot. Even if it's thought ugly it's my baby and I love it! :-[
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OK it they will stay in the trough
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Wow, this blue is nearly black, super colour David.
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Very nice seedling David. Is Blue Wave really that blue?
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Mark, I would not be inclined to lift that Primula warschenewskiana from a trough for the show.
I'd disagree Maggi, though Mark should read that taking into account different climates etc. But I find P. warsh... very relocatable, especially a small plant like that and it shouldn't come to any harm if well watered when potted and again when replanted. He'd need to wipe away any soil or compost carefully when it goes into the pot, before watering, to groom it and perhaps soak up surplace water on the flowers with a tissue or paper towel, to stop them going off but otherwise, I think it would make a nice show entry.
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I see that David's advising against lifting too Mark. If you decide to lift it and then lose it, I'll guarantee to replace it for you. I'd still go for it.
Re `Dark Rosaline,' love the foliage, loathe the flowers. :)
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Yes it is Chris, I don't think I have ever seen that shade of blue on a Primula before.
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I should read all the posts before leaping in to reply to one of them.
Paul, there is a series of very old primroses with the grex forename of "Garryade." The best known is x Garryade 'Guinivere' which has flesh pink flowers but the distinguishing feature of the series if their dark, reddish foliage, like that of Mark's plant, above. For this reason, I wouldn't be surprised if `Dark Rosaline' is a seedling from x Garryade `Guinivere' or another in the same group. The others seem to be scarce as hen's teeth nowadays.
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In the autumn I'll lift come resting buds, pot them and plunge them in a new bed I'm planning. That way they wont come to harm
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David, Hans, Mark,
great stuff with extraordinary colors you showed us 8)
Very exiting!
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I know I've lost seedlings (mature size, not young ones) I had from my cross of 'Garryard's Variety' with P. x juliae (or is it x juliana, I never can recall) that had been doing fine through summer up until then. Every pot has had the plant virtually melt in it and there's nothing left. most disappointing as I was looking forward to seeing more of them flowering and hopefully crossing amongst the seedlings. Oh well, will attempt the cross again this year if the parents are still alive. A lot of things are VERY disturbed this year because of the strange weather.
Paul, Primula juliae and P x Juliana but that should be called x Pruhinoica nowadays I think. The Juliana grex is, I think, juliae x vulgaris (or vice versa) and includes `Wanda,' Jill,' 'Ideal,' 'Iris Mainwaring,' Snow White' and others, all super plants which we are gradually losing, in NZ at any rate. There is a hose-in-hose form of `Wanda.'
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Lesley,
The one I am thinking of is a small bright pinky purple thing that does very well here. I'm guessing it is probably P. juliae then.
David,
I managed to germinate 3 of the seeds of 'Blue Wave' that you sent me, and one has survived to what is looking like almost maturity. I have to work out how to germinate Primulas more successfully. I can grow veris and vulgaris from seed easily enough, but I struggle with others. I think I might have to do some searching about for information, but most stuff I have seen is for cooler climates than mine. Maybe I'll post a thread in the cultivation or seed area one day. ::) Was disappointed to only have one of yours survive (but that of course is better than NONE of yours surviving) but given you sent me a reasonable amount of seed only having 3 germinate was extremely irritating and I feel like I've wasted your time and effort in sending it to me. At the same time I was sent some other auricula seed by Ann, but had no luck with them at all. Not a good success rate, to put it mildly!! :'(
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Paul, if it's any consolation I have problems with both Primula and Auricula seed as well for example of the roughly 20 seeds I sowed from Primula Blue Wave in January 2007, 18 germinated, but I only have 6 plants now growing on, the other 12 seedlings bit the dust well before the potting-on stage.
Normally I leave the seedlings in the seed pot until they are big enough to handle, then prick them out into a small seed tray and grow them on a bit, and then pot them individually. At each stage I loose a few more. I think the main problem, in my case, is trying to keep them cool and shaded through the Summer months. Most of the good Auricula growers seem to sow their seeds fresh in June with a view to being able to get flowering plants to evaluate for quality in the following May. I think if I tried that I would contionue to have problems keeping tiny seedlings through the Summer.
In the past I have sown Primula seed on the surface of loam based seed compost with added grit and sand, and topped them with a layer of grit, but the seed I sowed in January this year I sowed thinly, mixed with dry sand, directly onto the grit topping and let the rain take the seed down. I have had pretty good germination and I intend to try to leave them in their seedpots for the rest of the year and, if they are still with me, pot them on in early Spring next year. Of course I still have to find somewhere to keep them over the Summer!
I would be interested to hear what other Primula growers do.
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While I sow most seeds on the compost surface then cover with a layer of grit from 2mm up to 5mm for larger seeds or even 10mm for very large seeds like paeonies, for primulas I put the grit on the compost and sow onto the grit, then lightly water them in. For the largest seeds such as P. florindae, I might add a thin sprinkling of grit over the seeds. I generally have very good germination of all kinds of primulas but yes, it's important to keep them cool and damp, right from day one following germination.
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Lesley,
EXCELLENT advice, Lesley!... That's exactly the way I was taught while being a student gardener at Wisley Garden's Rock Department (in those days my boss was Allan Robinson, and Julia Corden was second after him).
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Paul, here's a pic of Primula juliae (rather chewed autumn foliage) with a pic of x Juliana (x Pruhinoica) 'Jill' to compare. Most of these and especially P. juliae lose much of their foliage for winter, leaving knobbly rhizome-like growths. P. juliae is also creeping, and will make a mat or a lovely crevice plant in a cool place. It's only about 3cms in height.
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Just while I think about it, Primula x Garryade 'Guinivere' which we spoke about a couple of days ago. Note the dark-coloured foliage.
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I should have mentioned that it's all those long-stemmed leaves that will die away on P. juliae and in the early spring a lot of little congested foliage will grow, with the rosy-purple flowers atop them. After flowering, the leaves elongate.
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Here's a picture of Primula Rose Window, one of three plants Lesley was kind enough to send me in 2007. I posted a pic of one of the plants flowering on 17 December and that plant is now putting up another couple of flowering stems, this one is in full flower, and the third is in bud. Lovely little plants that Lesley grew as seedlings from Primula x pubescens 'Rufas'.
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Very nice!
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Lovely, David. I just find it extraordinary that those plants could have travelled so many thousands of miles!
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They're rather washed out David. They should have more colour perhaps as your season warms a little. Usually a good clean pink though sometimes it takes on a purplish tinge in some weather conditions. Mine are also out now, for their autumn flowering, a bonus which is given every year.
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Might the difference be that David has had these under glass , Lesley, while yours are outdoors? That would account for a paler shade to the flowers.... ::)
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They're rather washed out David. They should have more colour perhaps as your season warms a little. Usually a good clean pink though sometimes it takes on a purplish tinge in some weather conditions. Mine are also out now, for their autumn flowering, a bonus which is given every year.
Lesley, could you get a pic of yours for comparison purposes? The colour of mine is pretty true eye to camera, maybe Maggi is right about mine being under glass!
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Yes possibly sun burnt?
Sun burnt? in this weather? You're joking!
How are yours Anthony?
Here's a pic from last spring.
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Well, I am usually right, am I not?...... she said, with her customary modesty :P :-X
The difference that growing under glass can make to colours is amazing... even plants which have been grown in the open ground but lifted and kept even for a short while under glass can look quite "other".....rhododendrons are particularly prone to this sort of colour fade. :(
Yes, Lesley's is outside..... I rest my case ;D
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Mmm! Big difference isn't there. I'd like to see Anthony's plants as well.
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Here's a better photo of 'Dark Rosaline'
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I've never had it under glass or any kind of weather protection but even so, I have had the occasional stem of flowers open very pale like David's and usually they colour up within a day or two. You're right Maggi, about glass cover changing the colour of some things. I have the white `Linda Pope' (is it 'White Lady' now?) and outside as it is, there is the very faintest tinge of lavender to the flowers, around the edges. Not enough to say it's not white, but enough to say it's not PURE white. If I keep it in my tunnel over winter (which I did two years ago, hoping to bring on the flowers early enought for the NZAGS spring show), the flowers are pure white.
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I like that one better Mark, the flowers look less virusy, and should look good with the dark foliage.
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Lesley it will probably look better once planted out.
I have a large plant in a small pot so will be pulling it apart ina few weeks. Anyone interested?
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A few week ago I mentioned taking Primula luteola out of one of my troughs. I did so today and the job was very easy, too easy. Despite treating the trough for vive weevils the roots of this plant were destroyed. I now know why it wasnt looking happy. On Sunday I will treat all my troughs again
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Thank you all for the advice re sowing. Very helpful. For reference David my one remaining auricula from your seed is still in it's original sowing pot, as the three were evenly spaced when they germinated so I left them.... now just the one by itself in the pot and looking fine. Not even vaguely game to touch it now!! ::) ;)
Lesley,
Mine are definitely x juliana as they do not have leaves with petioles like your juliae. Thanks for the handy pics. I assume that x juliana comes in different colours? Mine is a much brighter pink-purple than yours and I have seen a couple of others elsewhere here in Canberra that are different colours again.
Mark,
I wonder how many got the Teal'c reference. You're one up on me, as I wouldn't have known how to spell it, despite being an avid viewer and having the majority on DVD. ;D
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I've never had it under glass or any kind of weather protection but even so, I have had the occasional stem of flowers open very pale like David's and usually they colour up within a day or two. You're right Maggi, about glass cover changing the colour of some things. I have the white `Linda Pope' (is it 'White Lady' now?) and outside as it is, there is the very faintest tinge of lavender to the flowers, around the edges. Not enough to say it's not white, but enough to say it's not PURE white. If I keep it in my tunnel over winter (which I did two years ago, hoping to bring on the flowers early enought for the NZAGS spring show), the flowers are pure white.
Lesley, here's my White Linda Pope/White Lady from 2007 under glass and you can see the lavander/bluish tinge on the petal edges. It has sulked this year and refuses to flower.
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Three Primulas coming into flower in my greenhouse: First, P. aur. 'Lemon Drop' - just bought this baby from Timpany last week, she's a beauty! Second, P. a. 'Three Way Stripe' (where do they find these names?) not quite open, but close now, its taken over a week to get this far! and finally, one that Sue G. gave me last year, P. a. 'Karen Caudrey'
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David,
Teal'c was one of the main characters (and Alien, hence the name) in the Sci-fi TV series called 'Stargate'.
I'm a hopeless Sci-fi nut myself, which is why I understood the reference. ::) Kinda sad really!! :o ;D
But there are so many shows that don't reach television over here unfortunately, well not "free to air" TV anyway. Can't afford Pay-TV (which I guess is what Amercians call "Cable", and I'm not sure what it's named elsewhere in the world).
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Chris,
The detail in that last pic in amazing. The white powder in the flower centre (which I think is farina on the leaves, but another name.. "meal"? ... in the centre of the flower) certainly adds something to the flower. Such beautifully detailed pics. Thanks!! 8)
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Thanks Paul, and just an ordinary little Fuji Finepix too. I take it at the max - 6.3mp, then downsize to post here, but yes it does give a lot of fine detail, I couldn't even see it until I got it into the computer, I must go out and take a look again with my magnifying glass lol.
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Mark,
I wonder how many got the Teal'c reference. You're one up on me, as I wouldn't have known how to spell it, despite being an avid viewer and having the majority on DVD. ;D
Is it not truely sad that I got the reference(?) - the sign of many hours mispent!
Chris the photos look really good, but I don't think I gave you the Karen Caudry - -I don't think that is one I have, so if a piece falls off. . . ;)
Sue
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Oh, sorry Sue, I thought I got it from you as it was in one of those pots you usually use... I wonder how I came by it then? Anyhow, if a piece eventually falls off it will have your name on it.....
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I like your Yellow Self, Lemon Drop, Chris. I don't grow any of the 'Edge' varieties, I'm waiting until I get the easier Alpines and Selfs right first! :D
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David,
Teal'c was one of the main characters (and Alien, hence the name) in the Sci-fi TV series called 'Stargate'.
I'm a hopeless Sci-fi nut myself, which is why I understood the reference. ::) Kinda sad really!! :o ;D
But there are so many shows that don't reach television over here unfortunately, well not "free to air" TV anyway. Can't afford Pay-TV (which I guess is what Amercians call "Cable", and I'm not sure what it's named elsewhere in the world).
Thank you Paul, never heard of the character or indeed of the Series! Being a Yorkshireman I refuse to pay for television but we have a range of digital channels that are free to view as well as some free to air. Having said that most UK television is uttter rubbish, little better than moving wallpaper, or am I getting old. My wife sees everyday symptoms of my turning into Victor Meldrew (a character in a comedy series which did have some funny moments)
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You are going to have to pardon my ignorance David, but I don't know what 'self' means in the primula world, guess I should find out if I have one eh ;D
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Lovely Primulas David. Must look for White Pope tomorrow.
Paul, I love Stargate but some programmes are so predictable. I could be wrong but I think Maggi is a fan. Battlestar Galactica comes back in two weeks ::)
Just finished washing my pots for tomorrow. I also lifted two of my conifers out of the rockery
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You are going to have to pardon my ignorance David, but I don't know what 'self' means in the primula world, guess I should find out if I have one eh ;D
Sorry Chris.
Self: an even body colour from the paste edge (the circle at the top of the tube) to the petal margins, with no shading and no edge. They are subdivided into red, yellow, blue, dark, and other according to their body colour.
Edges: subdivided according to the colour of the petal edge (the outer part of the petal) Green Edges are completely devoid of meal with none on the flowers or the leaves. Grey Edges have a light sprinkling of meal on the edge and the leaves. White Edges have a heavy coating of meal on the edge and leaves. China Edge refers to a fault in the green edged varieties where their is a fine line of farina around the edge of the petals.
Alpines: divided into Gold or Light centres (ie the centre of the flower may be white or cream or golden yellow) No ring of paste at the top of the tube and no meal on the flowers or the leaves. The petal colour is darker near the centre shading evenly to a paler shade at the petal edge. Gold centred Alpines have petals in shades of red, brown or orange and Light centred Alpines in blue, purple or red.
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Primula aur. lisa clara
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Just while I think about it, Primula x Garryade 'Guinivere' which we spoke about a couple of days ago. Note the dark-coloured foliage.
Lesley, a very beautiful primula in my eyes :o 8)
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I agree with you Armin, both flowers and foliage are lovely, and the combination of the two is superb. I don't know any other primula with that distinctive shade of flesh-pink.
David, are you sure you posted the right picture of 'White Linda Pope?' Yours looks sparkling white to me and I realize my vision is no longer 20/20 but I couldn't see the slightest sign of any colour. Here's mine, out in the weather. The wide open facing flower on the right has a distinct colour tinge.
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Lesley, this may show the bluish tinge a little clearer.
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Diane, just seen the picture of your magnificant Primula vulgaris at the North Midlands Show. Would you share with us your Summer regime for the plant, or do you just start again with a new plant?
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Here are two pics of a late flowering Primula marginata
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Diane, just seen the picture of your magnificant Primula vulgaris at the North Midlands Show. Would you share with us your Summer regime for the plant, or do you just start again with a new plant?
My "summer regime" is use of the hoe. ;D
One man's weed is another's desirable plant. Primula vulgaris is an invasive weed in my garden. Years ago I struggled to establish some seedlings and eventually a small clump grew poorly and never increased. They were all pin form. Then suddenly one year I started to see seedlings round the garden. I assume that a pollinator had come from another garden with thrum pollen. Now I have dozens, no hundreds of plants. Sometimes I get a few hybrids - polyanthus types in muddy colours with large flowers and/or on P veris-type scapes. Interestingly, when I lifted the large clump to pot up for the show, I noticed that the vast majority of my plants in the garden are still pin eyed and many of the muddy coloured and polyanthus types are mainly thrums.
Sorry, David back to your question - I do nothing with the plants at any time of the year except dig them out! They seem to flourish in heavy clay soil so it doesn't dry out (our garden is quite shady). This year they do seem in good form as the slugs have yet to start nibbling. In previous years when I have considered lifting some,every flower seems to have a hole in. If the snow melts this afternoon I'll take some pics round the garden
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Gerd,
lovely P. marginata. :o
Isn't this an primula from the Italian Alps?
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Armin,
Yes, Primula marginata is distributed in Italy and France (Alpes Maritimes and Cottian Alps).
Gerd
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Diane, just seen the picture of your magnificant Primula vulgaris at the North Midlands Show. Would you share with us your Summer regime for the plant, or do you just start again with a new plant?
One man's weed is another's desirable plant.
Here's some pictures of my WEEDS to show David how I don't grow them, they grow themselves (none of the primulas have been planted, they have all arrived by seed).
Invading the border
Typical clump in the border
Close up of same
This clump will soon have to be removed ::)
This is where the prize winner was lifted from - big gap in centre, look round the edge at all its progeny, including newly germinated seeds. :o
Nasty coloured one - see it's a thrum - that one will also go soon
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Some new seedlings
2287: latifolia
2295: spectabilis
2304: a lot of miniera which do not want to flower!
2341: auricula alba
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The second part:
2356: hybrid
2257: marginata (wild)
2358: the smallest flowering marginata (wild)
2364: marginata dark blue (wild)
2378: hybrid
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Johannes,
Really fine pics!
Did you select the dark blue P. marginata yourself?
Gerd
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David, my bout of "white fever" must be so far advanced I can't see colour at all. Your second pic looks just as pristine as the first on my screen. I'll have to take your word for it.
Gerd, I love that foliage on your P. marginata. worth growing for that alone, never mind the flowers.
And Hans, the white auriculas are especially nice I think. There I go again, with this "white" syndrome. Who needs snowdrops? ;D
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See what you mean Diane. I have a similar problem (well, it's not a problem at all really!) as Primula vulgaris seeds itself all around my garden also, so I have creams, whites, pale yellows, and all shades of pink. Trouble is I haven't the heart to dig them up.
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Hans, what a lovely selection of Primulas.
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See what you mean Diane. I have a similar problem (well, it's not a problem at all really!) as Primula vulgaris seeds itself all around my garden also, so I have creams, whites, pale yellows, and all shades of pink. Trouble is I haven't the heart to dig them up.
My trouble is, I haven't the room NOT to dig them up. ::)
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Gee it's a tough life when you have rogue Primulas popping up around the garden. I could live with that!! ;D Here in Aus many of us tend to have the one variety of something as it was an old plant that has been divided and divided, shared around etc, so we all tend to have just a single sex of plant.... hence no seed. I have finally managed to get the opposite sexes of the basic vulgaris and have seedlings coming along, but I don't think they're as robust as many of the more "natural" plants overseas. It's always difficult when you have older stock that can't be replaced by seedlings. I'd love the problem of having white, pale, yellow and pink species style vulgaris seeding around my garden! ::)
Isn't it great that we all garden in such different places with different experiences!!?? ;D
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One (wo)mans
poison weed another mans medicine flower
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Gerd, yes I do select the dark blue P. marginata myself. There are white or pink marginata or with large or very tiny flowers too.
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Thank you Hans,
Very fine selections, indeed!
Gerd
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Just two from me today but not up to Hans lovely ones.
Primula sieboldii Mikardo.
and one from the same seed pod as my last semi double.
Derek
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Nice sieboldii Derek. I don't have any success with them at all. I struggled on for a couple of years with a few in the greenhouse but they did nothing so last year I planted them outside and lost the lot. They obviously don't like me. :(
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Gee it's a tough life when you have rogue Primulas popping up around the garden. I could live with that!! ;D...........
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A few pics here, just for Paul, of Primula vulgaris forms seeded around the garden. I even have a few growing through the lawn. Hope the first day at the new job goes OK Paul.
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A few pics here, just for Paul, of Primula vulgaris forms seeded around the garden. I even have a few growing through the lawn.
Good to see it's not just me with a Primula vulgaris weed problems. Will you hoe out number 3 David? I hope so ::)
Have you noticed any pattern with good/bad seedlings and whether they are pin or thrum eyed?
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No need to hoe it out, surely? Do what I would do with it: give it to your mother-in-law ::)
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Hoe it out? Why ever should I do that, it's one of my favourites. After all it's only the white edging around the eye that stops it from being sibthorpii surely ??? I'm rather fond of my mum-in-law Maggi :-*
I haven't looked at them closely Diane but I will do.
PS. Diane please get a new Avatar quickly I feel ravenous every time I look at your present one
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I'm rather fond of my mum-in-law Maggi
As we all should be , David. :-\.......( I mean fond of our inlaws, not yours, though I have nothing against yours, I just haven't met the lady!! )
Pity to hoe out a healthy plant, when it could go to someone who would truly appreciate its qualities :-X
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My sieboldii have seeded about and flowering now on tiny stems. David if you want one or two they're yours
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My sieboldii have seeded about and flowering now on tiny stems. David if you want one or two they're yours
Primula sieboldii - another rampant weed here!
Hoe it out? Why ever should I do that, it's one of my favourites. After all it's only the white edging around the eye that stops it from being sibthorpii surely ??? I'm rather fond of my mum-in-law Maggi :-*
Exactly, it's the white edging that does it. And the flatflowers :-X
PS. Diane please get a new Avatar quickly I feel ravenous every time I look at your present one
OK, this may stop your ravenous feelings. (Unless you are into frogs' legs, of course)
;D ;D
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Wow David,
I envy your soil, looks great! ... Love wild primulas too, they are kind of a welcomed weed in our garden, just as Helleborus viridis or Aquilegia vulgaris, which is now in flower.
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Diane I think we need a real photo of you and not the one holding the pot. Ask someone to take a prtrait shot of you
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We are trying but she's incredibly camera shy ;D
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We are trying but she's incredibly camera shy ;D
OK, done, but still incognito 8) 8)
(and a challenge to Cliff - Name that mountain behind me?)
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Is it Mount Molyneux, just outside Wolverhampton?
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Is it Mount Molyneux, just outside Wolverhampton?
Very very close :o
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Are we talking further east, steeper and awash with Paederota bonarota? Thought so....it's the rock garden at Ashwood's Nursery!
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I thought it was misty trees. :) Diane you still need a closer up avatar. How about you and Martin R swapping pics? I mean you take one of him and he takes one of you. Both in close up without dark glasses.
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I hate faceless avatars
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Wow David,
I envy your soil, looks great! ... Love wild primulas too, they are kind of a welcomed weed in our garden, just as Helleborus viridis or Aquilegia vulgaris, which is now in flower.
It's quite a rich soil Jose, but very, very stoney. I've dug out tons of the stuff in the 20 years we have been here. Luckily it is fairly neutral too so I can have a go at most stuff.
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My sieboldii have seeded about and flowering now on tiny stems. David if you want one or two they're yours
Thanks for the offer Mark but I wont take you up on it, at the moment. One of my tasks for this Summer is to build a moist peaty bed which might be better for sieboldii, and indeed for vialli which also dies on me with great regularity-then I might take you up if the offer is still open. Another of my tasks is to find a site on which to build said moist peaty bed ::)
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Lesley, there's been a pretty scary close up of me recently on the forum, just not identified as such. Trust me, I was better looking, and had more hair, when I was young 8) 8) 8) :-X
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Great plants everyone !!
May I add a modest contribution in this Primula Walhalla ?
Here's my
Primula marginata "Drake's blue" - growing in a trough.
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Trust me, I was better looking, and had more hair, when I was young 8) 8) 8) :-X
Well I guess that's true of most of us. Certainly I was better looking and now, every time I brush my hair it seems that the brush only need some pointed ears and a tail attached, to look like someone's cat! ::)
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I never knew there were so many P. marginatas available. We just see the same old varieties for sale here
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Nice marginata Luc. Over here it is sold as 'Drake's Form'
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I never knew there were so many P. marginatas available. We just see the same old varieties for sale here
Susan Tindall has at least four that are difficult, if not impossible, to find over here.
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I'm still trying to get my head around the idea of weed Primulas. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for even THINKING such a thing. I wish they'd grow that easily for me. I tell you, if David was hoeing that one out and I was able to, I'd take it!! And any of the others he didn't want as well, and any others that any of the rest of your didn't want too!! You're all wrong in the head!! ;D ;D ;D
David,
Thanks for the pictures of your spreading Primula menace! ;D Yes, first (and now second) day went well at work, although muscles I don't recall ever having before are aching!! ::) I've worked out that I'm thankful I started on a Wednesday, because it means that after tomorrow I get two days off to try to recover a bit. Imagine 5 days of this to start!! :o
Mark,
Sorry, but still no picture of me. I've said before, and I'll say again, Elfinraer is MUCH prettier than me. :P
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I have 2 primulas in a trough which have lost labels, can someone identify them for me? The first I think might be Primula warshenewskiana, and I thought I did have P. clarkei, so maybe that's the second one.
The third I know, and am very fond of - 'Lady Greer', it's so small and delicate. The fourth I bought last year, and it seemed like a good idea at the time, but the stems elongate, then it has these great frilly flowers on the end :-X it's Primula 'Francisca'
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More pics of some more of my 'weeds'. I lifted these yesterday, from a bed I use for growing Rhubarb not very successfully (I have an insatiable desire for Rhubarb crumble or just plain stewed Rhubarb but my Rhubarb growing skills are such that each time we visit my brother in Yorkshire we have to bring back masses of it for the freezer). In that bed I originally planted just two Primulas, the one shown in the first pic and one P. denticulata, all the ones shown in the other pics are self seeders and, apart from the couple just mentioned, are some yards away from any other Primulas. Although they are a little past their best they made a nice addition to a new area I am developing. Sorry Diane if these turn your stomach!
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I think you were spot on with both of them Anne.
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Thanks, David !
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Anne, I may be way out here but I'm not entirely sure about P. clarkei for the second pic. The leaves should be a little rounder and the flowers quite a bit pinker, though that could just be the picture itself. Here's mine.
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Having said that, I can't think what else it could be. Am I right in seeing that you have several flowers on short stems, arranged on a single stem (i.e. umbels)? It CAN happen with P. clarkei but is very rare. Usually each flower emerges on a short, individual stem, from the rosette.
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Perhaps one or other of you have Primula clarkei 'Peter Klein'?
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It is definitely in umbels. The fog is clearing a bit, and I seem to remember it is a hybrid. Girl's name??? AHA! Johanna? Something like that.
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Anne,
There is a primula called Johanna after Henrik Zetterland's daughter. I can't remember exactly what it looks like, gone to plant heaven a long time ago.
Susan
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Primula hyb
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Just googled, and it is Johanna.
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A couple of pictures of my weeds all self sown. i cannot bring myself to pull them out.
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The only flowers I pull out of my gardens when they appear are a very prolific Viola from B&Q and Geranium pyrenaica
Anne what direction does your P. warschenewskiana face?
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Some Primulas (most are own seedlings).
2490 albenensis
2520 and 2501 my best marginata (wild)
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Part 2
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What a beautiful selection of Primulas Hans. I would find it very difficult if I had to choose between either of your best marginatas. The yellow under 2616 is a stunner also.
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Hans,
I can only accede to David.
A very beautiful primula selection 8)
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Those are very beautiful seedlings Hans.
Will be difficult to select the best, which means you have to throw the bad ones away.
But that's the life of a "Züchter", isn't it?
When we were driving through a Swiss village last week we saw on many places
'weedy' lawns.
Here some pictures
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Beautiful, Luit, beautiful....
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What gloriously 'untidy' lawns these Swiss have! Lucky people!
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I've never seen either 'Peter Klein' or 'Johanna' though I've met the names in bulletins somewhere, AGS probably. One is, or both are (I think) hybrids with P. rosea, and that would accord with the foliage on yours Anne, longer, less round, that P. clarkei. It would also account for the umbels.
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Michael, your primula hybrid (reply 216) is quite like my own P. auricula `Rose Window.'
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David, 2616 is an ordinary Primula auricula but a selected one.
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Hans,
What a range of variation in Primula marginata!
Fantastic!
Gerd
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Hans,
Congratulations on some wonderful successes there in the Primula seedlings. I am SO jealous!! ;D Wish I could grow them like that. ;) Fantastic pics!! 8)
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Primula frondosa. and a couple of hybs
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I haven't had much to shout about this year with my Auriculas. They didn't like our wet and muggy Summer (even though they were under cover) and I lost a lot to rot. My re-potting with too much Dolomite Lime in the mix hasn't helped them at all, and overall they are a bit of a disappointment. The few that have looked reasonable have been my home grown seed raised varieties whereas the named varieties have sulked. Here's one a rather nice Purple Self with a good strong scape.
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Thats a beautiful, rich purple there David. Here is a wee primrose I photographed whilst in the Lakes last week. They are so sweet I had to take their photo.
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Late reply to Mark - the trough in which the primulas live is on the north side of the house, but gets sun in the morning.
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A real stunner, David. Sumptuous colour. 8)
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A real stunner, David. Sumptuous colour. 8)
Yes, it is a lovely colour Martin. The pity is that in the Auricula world the plant would be a reject. It isn't an Alpine because they don't have the paste circle in the throat and the petal colour is darker at the centre, shading lighter on the edge. It isn't a Self because they have no colour shading. I doubt if the plant would 'bulk up' enough to grow on as Border Auricula. It is obviously an Auricula flower rather than a Primula x pubescens so I couldn't really pass it off as that.
Having said all that I like it and I shall keep it and grow it on.
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I'm pleased you'll grow it on David and continue to enjoy it. How DARE they? The "experts" and those who make the arbitrary rules for types of plants, then encourage -or demand - that the growers follow those, and throw out what doesn't conform. The practice has been a disaster for many dog breeds who must conform to a "look" even though the achieving of it results in weak constitution, inability to eat properly and general ill health in some cases. Look at the poor old bulldog. He may be as British as Churchill but he's not up to a decent walk up a hill nowadays. Some Narcissus vars and others especially tall beared and siberian irises are going the same way. Weak plants with no resistance to any pest or disease.
Here endeth this lesson. No doubt there will be others in the future ::)
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Some Primulas flowering now:
Primula 'Dale's Red'
Primula 'Twilight' Can't find it in literature,maybe somebody knows it
Primula 'White Linda Pope' (Hope,it is the true thing,would be
grateful for comments from the experts)
Primula marginata 'Amethyst'
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Lovely pics Ruweiss.
David,
That purple "show reject" is gorgeous. Glad YOU aren't rejecting it as well. You might not be able to show it, but you can enjoy it every day anyway!! :D
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I've never seen the white `Linda Pope' except for my own plant which I know is true. Yours looks pretty right to me Rudi, judging from the leaf shape and habit as well as from the flower; others might add something. The colour of `Amethyst' is superb.
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Talking of old Prim. marginata forms and hybrids, has anyone seen P. marginata (hybrid?) 'Hyacintha' for sale recently? I used to grow it for many years, and my parents for many years before that, but it vanished in a scorching summer when I was too busy to keep my troughs watered enough and I haven't seen it in any catalogues since. It'd be a shame if it's vanished forever. It was (is?) a beauty.
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Martin your question rang a bell in my tired brain.I have had this primula growing in the sand in one of my crocus greenhouses for the past 13 years.They will not grow outside with me and I put it there as a holding operation when we moved house and have never done anything with it. It is labelled 'hyacintha' and I think we originally got it from Joe Elliott 20 years ago. It is certainly the same plant but I cannot vouch for its name as I know nothing about them. A picture is below. You are welcome to a lump of it if you want it.
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Thanks Tony, but what I used to grow as 'Hyacintha' didn't have that kind of very toothed, mealed typical marginata foliage - it had less toothed leaves of a paler, greener colour than usual in marginata; which makes me think it might have been a hybrid - it had very rounded flowers of a light china-blue sort of shade with a white eye, again quite unlike most marginatas.
I've just looked it up in Mary Robinson's book, Primulas, and it seems it should be called 'Hyacinthia', a marginata bred from marginata 'Beamish'. It's not listed any more in the RHS Plant Finder (only P. auricula 'Hyacinthia', which I don't think can be the same thing unless it's been reclassified as an auricula, which I doubt).
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Martin, John Richards says that Hyacinthia is a hyb of unknown parentage probably with another hyb ,got an AM in 1945. I had it growing for years in a raised bed and it might still be there but I have lost the labels. Will have a poke around tomorrow and see what I can find, much too cold today for old bones.
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Thanks, Michael. I meant to say that in the Mary Robinson book 'Hyacinthia' is listed under marginata hybrids rather than pure marginata. She mentions it being bred from 'Beamish' by G.H. Berry in 1943 (presumably the seed parent) but doesn't say what the other parent was. From the look of the leaves and flowers (from memory) I'd say the other parent almost certainly wasn't another marginata. It certainly looks nothing like 'Beamish'. Probably crossed with a pubescens hybrid.
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Talking of old Prim. marginata forms and hybrids, has anyone seen P. marginata (hybrid?) 'Hyacintha' for sale recently? I used to grow it for many years, and my parents for many years before that, but it vanished in a scorching summer when I was too busy to keep my troughs watered enough and I haven't seen it in any catalogues since. It'd be a shame if it's vanished forever. It was (is?) a beauty.
Martin, I believe that this is the plant you mean.
We used to grow it in our nursery by the hundreds in pots, but maybe at the wrong time,
because we could not sell them here then.
I only have this little plant left, but it does'n't like our sandy soil, pH 6.5 , will need more acid soil, I think.
Other marginata like Pr. marg. Crenata and Pt. Linda Pope do like it seemingly here.
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Some own hybrids in my garden (seed of wild collected plants - in my garden, most from auricula).
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Yes that's the one, Luit. Apparently it was micro-propagated at some point in the past but I don't think I ever saw it offered for sale here. Mine came from my parents who had been growing it for many years.
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Hi Martin,
This is what I've been growing for over a decade as Primula 'Hyacinth'.
It might be the one you're looking for.
If we can solve the logistics you're very welcome for a piece of it.
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Yes that's the one, Luit. Apparently it was micro-propagated at some point in the past but I don't think I ever saw it offered for sale here. Mine came from my parents who had been growing it for many years.
Yes Martin, done by an British nursery, which no longer excists, I believe.
It is still grown and sold in Belgium by the nursery of Luc's and my friends Cathy Portier who got it from me years ago.
They have a website. You'll find it by googling.
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Lesley,
many thanks for the confirmation of Primula White Linda Pope,I got this beauty about 15 years
ago(also Pr.marginata Amethyst)and do always some propagation to keep them in culture.
For some plants it would be a pity to be lost forever.
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Hi Luc. Yes, that's marginata 'Hyacinthia'. Thank you very much; if I can't find a source for the plant in the UK then I'll send you a personal message to see if you can send me a rosette for me to root.
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Hi Luc. Yes, that's marginata 'Hyacinthia'. Thank you very much; if I can't find a source for the plant in the UK then I'll send you a personal message to see if you can send me a rosette for me to root.
According to my "nursery catalogues" folder (i.e. catalogues randomly saved onto my computer and indexed with my magical indexing software :) ), Lamberton offered it in 2003.
HTH
Chloë
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I'm going to Ron's tomorrow, so I'll ask him if he still has any....
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Hi Luc. Yes, that's marginata 'Hyacinthia'. Thank you very much; if I can't find a source for the plant in the UK then I'll send you a personal message to see if you can send me a rosette for me to root.
Just let me know Martin - it's due to be replanted anyway !
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Will have a poke around tomorrow and see what I can find,
Martin,Just various forms of marginata but no Hyacinthia, I guess it don't like me either.
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4 from me two green and two doubles.
Auricula Holyrood,
Auricula Brookfield,
Auricula Albert Bailey,
Auricula Fred Booly.
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Sorry better get in before Lesley, Brookfield is a grey :-[
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Am I really so rude Derek? If so, forgive me, I don't intend to be but correct naming is very important to me, having a small nursery and feeling some responsibility to get information correct, if I'm spreading it around. But it probably just means that I'm old-fashioned (for which I DON'T apologise) and pedantic (for which I DO).
'Albert Bailey' is a glorious colour isn't he?
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Two Primulas with quite different needs.
1. Primula moupinensis. A small Primula from China for shadow and moisty ground in the woodland. Spreads easyly by means of runners.
2. Primula x miniera. A hybrid between P allionii and P marginata. For the sunny and welldrained rock garden. Said to b easier than the first of the both parents
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Lesley only joking, I still love you ::)
Derek
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Been at Ron's today. He does still have P. Hyacinthia should you want it.
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None of our primula are blooming outside yet but in the alpine house at work (the Memorial University of Newfoundland Botanical Garden) the first are starting. Here is one of our many selections of marginata. It is actually one of the poorer clones in my opinion as the flowers are rather small.
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Lesley only joking, I still love you ::)
Derek
Thank you Derek. I still love me too ;D
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Todd, that is a lovely photo of that P.marginata. If the colour is true, its one I've never seen before, but I know how the camera can lie....
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The colour of the marginata is pretty close. It is quite blue. I expect it was originally grown from seed but it has been in our collection for over 25 years. In the last few years I have been doing selective breeding for larger, bluer blooms with heavy farina. I'll post pics when they start to bloom.
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Wow, I'd love to see them, thanks. Hope you are starting to get a bit warmer now, have friends in Ontario and they have gone right from winter to full blown summer it seams. Crazy weather.
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Martin, on the last availability list I had from Fieldhouse Nursery Primula x marginata 'Hyacinthia' was listed. No Web Site but Email info@field-house-alpines.fsbusiness.co.uk or phone 01159830278. The nursery address is Leake Road, Gotham, Nottinghamshire NG11 0JN.
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A few more Primula from the greenhouse today. The first two are Primula bilekii, or to give it its full title P. x forsteri forma bilekii (I think!); followed by a couple of P. pubescens Mrs J H Wilson; and to finish the second of my seedlings to flower from open pollinated seed collected from my P. Blue Wave.
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Just received today an order of some Primula marginata cultivars from Susan Tindall at Timpany Nurseries in Northern Ireland. Cracking plants, really well packed, and marvellous service.
http://www.timpanynurseries.com/
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As Christine has noted, we have gone straight from winter to full-blown (temporary) summer here in Ontario, with winter due to return in a few days time. Over this surprising week of 25C+ temperatures, the primulas have not quite known what is up.
Miraculously blooming all at the same time are P. elatior and form meyeri, denticulata, darialica, juliae, marginata, rosea, various allioni, and hirsuta.
In a normal year, all that would be in bloom right now are P. rosea and denticulata.
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Unlike all the others, the marginatas are not having a great flowering year.
The batch of hirsutas were grown from wild seed received from our own Mr. Hadacek...and have produced a few plants with slightly fringed petals.
Primula marginata
Primula allioni_hyb
Primula allioni_hyb1
Primula hirsuta
Primula hirsuta_laciniata
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At the risk of being a pain (again) I don't think your P. juliae IS P. juliae. A hybrid perhaps but not a very close one.
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how right you are, Leslie.....2 pictures of P. elatior meyeri in a row by mistake....here's that lovely little devil which has within 3 years almost entirely filled a rather large section of the woodland garden. you go girl!!!!!
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Spring has also at last come to North Norway.
Primula sonchifolia is always the first of the Primulas to flower in my garden.
(http://magnar.aspaker.no/Primula%20sonchifoila%2008.jpg)
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That sonchifolia is stunning! Wish we could grow those here but I cannot even get seed to germinate.
Everything is at a stand-still here...a low-pressure system is stationary off the coast so day after day of fog and 1-2 C...the crocus will bloom into June I expect and alpine primula into July!
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Nice to see the Primula sonchifolia Magnar, yet another Primula that hates my conditions.
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A Primula from Gardasee - grown from wild collected seed (acid soil)!
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Thanks Kristl, that's better. P.juliae is a favourite because of that very creeping habit. It's lovely between rocks, filling a crevice.
Congratulatons Magnar, on your gorgeous P. sonchifolia. Though after seeing Finn Haugli's marvellous pictures of plants at Tromso, I think they are relatively easy to grow in Norway, with a cooler climate and moist soil, snow cover in winter and maybe lacking the very hot, drying winds that we have. All the same, yours is still anachievement that I found impossible.
One small question; I do grow the related P. bhutanica successfully but I have noticed that the new leaves are like yours, somewhat twisted and marked and I'm wondering if my plants have picked up a virus somewhere. What do you think?
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Lovely primulas from everybody.
In my lawn ordinary P.veris are in full flower. I love them and they spread readily.
Below picture shows a form with larger orange markings. It is the first time I found it. Therefore thought it is worth posting it.
It was very windy when I took the picture. It looks like I'm choking the flower bunch. ;) :D ;D
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That's a very nice form Armin. Do you have a pic of the whole plant?
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Great pics everyone such great plants
Here is one from from a friends alpine house today. Good enough to eat :o
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Super P. bracteata.... I think this is one of the primulas that is most popular on this year's show benches.... they seem to be at every show.... I think the flowers are very pretty, but it is the foliage and growth habit that I find really attractive 8)
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In bloom the past few week and still hanging on with the cool weather, this supposedly larger flowered form.
Primula vulgaris ssp sibthorpii 'Dr Borgeson'. The colour is a tad darker than the photo shows.
johnw - +11c
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Kristl,
your last 2 pics don't show Primula hirsuta, I think they are spectabilis (last one) and glaucescens (??).
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Great pics everyone such great plants
Here is one from from a friends alpine house today. Good enough to eat :o
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Primula hirsuta alba and P. grignensis hybrid (not often seen).
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Hans, did you spot this Primula grignensis in the Perth Show pages?
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Maggi, no I did not do! A true grignensis is not very spectacular, but its hybrids!
An older pic taken in Italy (Grigna Massif, 2000m!)
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I don't know P. grignensis at all but if Maggi's picture is the true plant, I'd be VERY happy with it.
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I don't know P. grignensis at all but if Maggi's picture is the true plant, I'd be VERY happy with it.
I'm not 100% sure, Lesley.... but it is grown from wild collected seed by Margaret and Henry Taylor....so there's often a clue, isn't there? :D
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Kristl,
your last 2 pics don't show Primula hirsuta, I think they are spectabilis (last one) and glaucescens (??).
Hans,
Thank you ever so much!!! I really hate it when I have incorrectly identified plants!!!
It's been years since Franz Hadacek sent me this wild collected seed and they took forever to begin flowering- when I searched back in my records this morning- it seems he sent seed of daoensis, spectabilis, minima, integrifolia and hirsuta. But perhaps I forgot to record glaucescens. Having just done some research after your post, it does seem that spectabilis is the correct id for the last plant, and I am most appreciative.
I will post them again---and wonder if others could help with identification of the second picture? Is it glaucescens, folks, which Hans is guessing it is?
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First a true grignensis! At the location you will find more hybrids than true plants.
Then P. clusiana, spectabilis and glaucescens to can find the correct names. Not the best photos but we can see the leaves.
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That's a very nice form Armin. Do you have a pic of the whole plant?
Lesley, I don't have a picture from the whole plant. I'll try to take one this weekend.
Hans,
very beautiful primulas. I like the P. clusiana.
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One of the last Alpine Primulas
All own nameless hybrids of hirsuta or villosa, the first photo shows one plant.
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Some pictures of my Garden Auriculas:
http://home.online.no/~auricula/bilder2008.cfm
Tormod in Norway
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Here is Primula olgae,1 year after sowing of wild seed ,collected by V.Holubec
in Pamir Mts.
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That's a lovely group konkel/ Tormod. I'm sure you will have lots to talk about to our friend David N, otherwise know here as Mr. Auricula. ;D
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Just a pointer folks, it's MAY now!! ;D
Ohhhh!! Rudi, I do like that one.
Tormod, lovely Auriculas in a different setting. Did you hear from Fieldhouse Nursery??